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00:00To be known as a legit singer, you have to belt.
00:04Betul.
00:05What is the obsession with belting?
00:07Kadang-kadang it's annoying, you know.
00:09She was saying macam,
00:11actually, you know, these singers yang macam,
00:14they selalu, Malaysians always want to belt this, belt this, belt this.
00:17Actually, sometimes, cium, annoying, though.
00:19Oh my god!
00:20And I don't feel like it's annoying.
00:22But I feel like we should have room for other types of things.
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01:08Okay, so today, I have a very special guest.
01:13She's not only beautiful, talented,
01:17she just released a single.
01:19Her name is Bill Musa.
01:24Hello, hello, hello.
01:25How are you?
01:26I'm fine. Welcome to the show, Bill.
01:28We've got so much to talk about.
01:38And what is happening today is we're going to show you some food.
01:41Okay.
01:42And we're going to open together.
01:43One, two, three.
01:45And the food is…
01:46Chicken rice!
01:49Okay, you can give it to me.
01:50Nice, I love chicken rice.
01:52Yes, chicken rice is amazing.
01:54Do you usually like chicken rice with chilli or without chilli?
01:56There's chilli, of course.
01:58I need that spice.
01:59You need a little bit of spice.
02:01A little bit.
02:02Too much.
02:03Too much?
02:04I can't stand it.
02:05But a little bit is good.
02:06Yeah, too much of everything is not so good.
02:08As I mentioned earlier, you can just chat.
02:11Okay.
02:12If you want to take some bites, that's also okay.
02:15You can also drink our Spritzer.
02:17But we need to talk about…
02:19When you came here, you said it's like taking you a walk down the memory lane.
02:24Before this, you were a flower.
02:28A flower?
02:29Into a…
02:30Plug.
02:31Plug.
02:32Into a blossom and bloom into an artist.
02:35You worked here before, right?
02:38I did.
02:39I worked here at Rocket Fuel.
02:41Wow.
02:42Yes.
02:43Wow.
02:44So record label, what were you doing back then?
02:46I was producing for their social media.
02:49Okay.
02:50And also their YouTube.
02:51So I was making content.
02:52So you were like an OG content creator.
02:55Then you became a singer.
02:57Yes.
02:58At that time, when I was working at Rocket Fuel, I was already singing.
03:02Oh.
03:03So I had to do like a balancing act between these two things.
03:07Which was…
03:08It was a lot.
03:09Is there a reason why you did both jobs?
03:11Because being an artist is hard to sustain.
03:14It's hard to sustain.
03:15And I also have this identity crisis.
03:19Like, do I want to work?
03:21Do I want to sing?
03:23I feel like I can do both.
03:26So at that time, I was young.
03:27Now I'm not young anymore.
03:28Still young.
03:29You still look young.
03:30Don't play with me.
03:31How old do you think I am?
03:32You?
03:33Well, how old do you think I am?
03:36Ah.
03:37Look at your skin.
03:38Oh, look at my skin.
03:39Okay.
03:40Whatever the answer is, you're going to be younger than me for sure.
03:44Really?
03:45Yes.
03:46How young are you?
03:47I am…
03:48Okay.
03:49I'm not embarrassed about my age now because I've come to terms with it.
03:51Okay.
03:52I am 31 this year.
03:54You are a baby.
03:56Am I a baby?
03:57Yes.
03:58I'm 36.
03:59Are you serious?
04:00Yes.
04:01Why would I lie about this?
04:02Oh my god.
04:03You look so much younger.
04:05Oh, thank you.
04:09But, you know, people say that feeling young is actually just a state of mind.
04:10Right.
04:11I agree.
04:12It's how you react to your age.
04:15So, when you were working, how young were you?
04:19I wasn't…
04:20Okay.
04:21I don't know if this is considered young.
04:22I guess so.
04:23Okay.
04:24I was around 25.
04:2625.
04:27Oh my god.
04:28That means you're not so long that you transitioned into an artist, singer.
04:32Not so long because when I joined, I was already singing and then I joined.
04:36And at that time, it was crazy.
04:38I just released my first album.
04:41Okay.
04:42And then when I was about to release my first album, someone from Rocketfield actually said,
04:47Hey, do you want to work with us?
04:48Blah, blah, blah.
04:49Then I said, I think this is crazy because I'm going to release my album.
04:52Yeah.
04:53It's going to be like promotions.
04:54No, you're managing me now.
04:57I was like, hmm.
04:58And then they were like, please, please, please just come work with us.
05:00So, I was like, okay.
05:02So, it was like crazy because I was working the 9 to 5.
05:08Actually, more than 9 to 5.
05:10But then during lunchtime, I used to go out and do interviews for my album.
05:15Or go do photoshoots for like 2 hours and then rush back.
05:19So, sometimes I would come to the office and fully dress like an artist.
05:23Okay.
05:24So, when I came to the office, I was like, okay.
05:26I'm working now.
05:27So, okay.
05:28She's working late because she's a singer.
05:30I always quote this but I think maybe I'm obsessed with the song too.
05:33It's quite nice.
05:34But anyway.
05:35For those who are watching this show, if you think that an artist's life is very easy.
05:40Their life is glamorous.
05:41Actually, it's a misconception.
05:42Because there are examples like her who has to hustle.
05:45She has to work more than 9 to 5.
05:48And she also has to promote her music.
05:50So, at what point do you realize, okay.
05:53I am choosing artist life now.
05:56I'm done with your 9 to 5.
05:59I think the point was when I was like, I did not sleep.
06:04Oh.
06:05I just did not.
06:06Like, I was barely sleeping.
06:08Okay.
06:09And it was becoming too much for me.
06:11But the sleeping was like, okay.
06:13I think Malaysian's work culture is just, there's no work-life balance.
06:20Yeah, there's no such thing as work-life balance.
06:22So, I was like, okay.
06:23I don't have work-life balance.
06:25Like, I am getting older.
06:27But I'm not going to do this for the rest of my life, right?
06:29True.
06:30So, I just decided like, actually.
06:33Even when I'm working at Rocket Fuel making content.
06:36When I work with the musical artists.
06:39I always tend to like, give input on that.
06:42So, I'm like, actually my heart is with music.
06:45Right.
06:46Like, what am I doing?
06:47True.
06:48And it was getting a bit overwhelming.
06:49Because I didn't mind the not sleeping.
06:51Because at that time I was still young.
06:53But it was the fact that I was like, identity crisis.
06:57I'm like, am I a worker?
07:00Or an artist?
07:02Not to say pekerja is bad.
07:03It's just like, you're in a different...
07:05Yeah, because your passion is with music.
07:08True.
07:09It's like, you know, somebody that likes to paint.
07:11Like, they will choose.
07:13Do I want to draw?
07:15Or do I want to work 9 to 5?
07:16Office job.
07:17That doesn't mean that one is better than the other.
07:19It's just, something you like lah.
07:20Yeah, true.
07:21Yeah.
07:22So, you were working with artists.
07:24I'm pretty sure at some point you're like,
07:26Alah, dia pun tak boleh nyanyi.
07:28Tapi dia boleh jadi artis ke aku ni.
07:30Betul-betul talent.
07:32You know what?
07:33Give it to me, give it to me.
07:35Okay, listen to the tea.
07:36Okay.
07:37But it's not tea.
07:38Like, I'm pretty sure a lot of people know this.
07:39But some singers.
07:41Okay, I'm not like an amazing singer yang boleh belt or whatever.
07:45Tapi, I learned this when I was like, working.
07:52Not to say Rocketfield specifically.
07:54But like, with different entertainment companies.
07:59You realize that actually a lot of these singers,
08:02they are manufactured.
08:04Macam, contoh eh.
08:07Contoh, this person is beautiful lah.
08:10Dia cantik.
08:11She has the personality.
08:13She has the looks.
08:14She has everything lah.
08:15It's all rounded.
08:16Tapi, she cannot sing.
08:18Okay.
08:19Because she's already out there.
08:20And she already has the followers.
08:22So, they're like, hey, why don't you sing?
08:25So, you go for shows and stuff.
08:27And they actually put auto-tune in your mic.
08:30That was like, I'm like, culture shock.
08:32Because I'm like, auto-tune in your mic?
08:35Live?
08:36You can do that?
08:37Macam, gila.
08:38And then, when they're recording, producing their music.
08:42It's like, heavily, heavily produced vocals.
08:46Which is not a bad thing.
08:47Tapi, dia macam, faham tak?
08:49It's like manufactured.
08:50When you listen, you're like, whose voice is this?
08:52Macam tu.
08:53Like, is that really her voice?
08:55You can tell it's her voice.
08:56Like, when you're in the studio.
08:58Dia macam added filter lah, kat dalam lah.
09:01Dia macam, eh?
09:03And then, everyone, like the public thinks that macam,
09:06wah, she can sing.
09:08You know, but actually you're like.
09:09Okay, drop the name.
09:10Okay, you won't lah.
09:11Jangan, nanti kena saman.
09:12Dah lah, cantik-cantik macam ni.
09:14You know, the more I look at you,
09:15you know who you remind me of?
09:16Oh my god.
09:17Okay.
09:18I'm going to guess, but you say it.
09:19Okay, you say it first.
09:20No lah, actually I'm not going to say it.
09:22Macam person.
09:23I think you look like Hilary Duff.
09:25Oh my god.
09:26A lot of people say that.
09:27The more I look at you,
09:28it's like I'm talking to Hilary Duff.
09:30You know, like, wow.
09:32Like, Maguire?
09:33No lah, we talk about Hilary Duff
09:34because I like her as an artist.
09:36Oh.
09:37Really, thank you.
09:38How do you feel?
09:39Whether you're calling me Hilary Duff.
09:40Yeah.
09:41I've heard it so many times before.
09:42Aku ingat aku special.
09:45Bukan.
09:46Yeah, but here's the thing, you know.
09:47Kadang-kadang, I pun, I know lah,
09:49some artists that suddenly come out of nowhere.
09:52And then when you listen to them live,
09:54you're like...
09:57You know, I bagi side eye lah.
09:58Bombastic side eye, semua tu.
10:00But when you were looking at all this kan,
10:02I'm pretty sure when you worked
10:04in a record label before,
10:05you would have seen something like that.
10:07So, what made you say,
10:10okay, you know what?
10:11Yeah, I'm going to do better than them.
10:13So, how did you get discovered?
10:15I got discovered way before that.
10:17Way before I started working.
10:19Okay.
10:20That was like, it was a wedding.
10:22Oh.
10:23I was singing at my friend's brother's wedding.
10:27Okay.
10:28And then Yuna's manager happened to be there.
10:30Wow.
10:31Because dia macam family friend or whatever.
10:32Okay, okay.
10:33And then after that,
10:34she just asked one of my friends like,
10:35hey, does she want to sign with us?
10:39And I cakap,
10:42I'm scared.
10:43Because I was studying at that time.
10:45And my family is like,
10:47my family is a family of engineers.
10:50Oh.
10:51Dia macam.
10:53Singer?
10:54Yeah.
10:55Bolek ke?
10:56Dia ni bolek kenyangu.
10:58Are you sure you want to do music?
11:00Where are you going with this?
11:02You know, that kind of thing.
11:03So, I was scared.
11:04Because I was like,
11:05I need to finish my studies kind of thing.
11:07And then she was like,
11:08never mind,
11:09I'll come and talk to your dad.
11:10So, she came to the house
11:11and talked to my dad.
11:13Literally, that's what my dad asked her.
11:14My dad tanya macam,
11:15can she sing?
11:17Because my family has never heard me sing.
11:19Like, literally,
11:20I sing at weddings
11:21where my family is not there.
11:22Okay.
11:23Because it's just like,
11:24I am so macam,
11:25I'm so different from you guys.
11:27Okay.
11:28And I'm macam scared of being criticised
11:29by my own family lah.
11:31Kadang-kadang dia the harshest.
11:32Yeah.
11:33Family members because.
11:34They're the harshest.
11:35Dia tak ada boundary tau.
11:36Dia tak ada boundary.
11:37So, dia macam,
11:38eh, you cannot lah like that.
11:39Ya, betul.
11:40So, I was so scared.
11:41Tapi macam my dad cakap,
11:42okay, whatever it is,
11:43the condition is you finish your studies.
11:44Okay.
11:45If you want to do this at the same time,
11:46you finish your studies,
11:47make sure you do well lah.
11:48Sam-sam.
11:49Okay, let's try this out.
11:51So, that's how I got signed to YUNA lah.
11:53Wow, just by singing
11:55in the presence of
11:57YUNA's manager at the time.
11:59So, you,
12:00what you're saying to me is,
12:01semua ni self-taught?
12:03You yang ajak sendiri untuk menyanyi ke?
12:05Ada,
12:06who's your source of inspiration?
12:09Well, I used to listen to,
12:10actually in my family,
12:12tak ada banyak,
12:14so my grandmother was a music teacher.
12:16Oh.
12:17So, I started out with music,
12:18main piano.
12:19Okay.
12:20That was my first exposure to music lah.
12:21Okay.
12:22So, I played the piano,
12:23tapi singing wasn't really something that
12:26I knew I could do.
12:28So, I macam,
12:29myself, I'm like,
12:30oh, can I sing?
12:31But then, when I was a kid,
12:32I used to macam,
12:33play the piano,
12:34tulis music juga.
12:35I had like a little notebook kind of thing.
12:37I used to write about like,
12:38I don't know,
12:39whatever I was going through lah,
12:40family stuff ke apa.
12:42But I didn't know I could sing,
12:44until I,
12:46I don't know if you had IU Day,
12:47like when you were in school?
12:49A what?
12:50IU International,
12:51International Understanding Day.
12:53What is that?
12:54Ya,
12:55so basically,
12:56IU Day is like when,
12:57a bunch of,
12:58I think like,
12:59a few schools get together,
13:00and they hold like this,
13:02concert kind of thing.
13:04So, you can choose lah,
13:05nak buat apa.
13:06So, I had a talent show,
13:07and then me and my friends did it.
13:09And then during the rehearsal,
13:10I was singing,
13:11and then suddenly like,
13:12my whole batch mates,
13:13were like,
13:14it was behind the curtain kan,
13:15dorang macam,
13:16who's singing?
13:17Who is that girl?
13:18Ya.
13:19Because I was never like,
13:20I never sang in front of everyone tau,
13:22in front of anyone.
13:23So, dorang macam,
13:24who's singing?
13:25And they were like,
13:26oh, it's Bill.
13:27Like, oh my god,
13:28you can sing.
13:29Why didn't you ever tell anyone?
13:30I was like,
13:31I didn't know I could sing.
13:32But it was at that point lah,
13:33so at that point,
13:34I started macam,
13:35nyanyi dekat restaurant,
13:37like pizza places.
13:40Behind your family's back lah,
13:42diorang tak tau lah.
13:43I didn't know,
13:44I was like,
13:45I'm going out.
13:46Okay.
13:47So, I begin nyanyi dekat like,
13:48pizza place.
13:49That was my first place,
13:50a pizza place.
13:51And then,
13:52then I started like,
13:53singing at weddings lah.
13:54Okay.
13:55That's how I got discovered lah.
13:56Okay.
13:57But I never ever thought of this
13:58as like a profession ke apa.
14:00Sampai sekarang?
14:01I mean, sekarang yes lah.
14:02Okay, okay.
14:03Oh, I mean like back then lah.
14:04Back then.
14:05It was never a dream lah.
14:07It was never a dream.
14:08So after you left,
14:10and then you were with,
14:12were you with any record label
14:14after that?
14:16No, I was independent for like a year.
14:18Ya.
14:19Masih MCO tu.
14:21And then now I'm with Armani.
14:22Armani.
14:23Armani Entertainment.
14:24Saham.
14:25So like,
14:26you're not indie ke lah?
14:27No.
14:28If indie means being independent
14:29without a label,
14:30yes.
14:31I'm not indie.
14:32You're not indie lah.
14:33But you were indie for a bit, right?
14:35I was.
14:36But it was like indie,
14:38I mean,
14:39I consider it indie because
14:40Yuna's level is considered small
14:42and like homegrown.
14:43Ya, ya, ya.
14:44So I still consider myself
14:45Jacky Gia at that point.
14:46Okay.
14:47To me,
14:48my definition,
14:49indie maknanya
14:50you have 100% creative control,
14:52you basically,
14:54okay, macam ni lah.
14:56Whenever I interview artist,
14:58ramai yang type with big record label,
15:01selalu ada cerita yang,
15:04you get what I'm trying to say?
15:05Ya.
15:06Have you gone through that?
15:07Where I don't have control?
15:09Ya.
15:10I'm not like,
15:11bad stuff lah in the record label.
15:12Macam they give you 6,000 promises.
15:14Oh,
15:15I nak jadikan you
15:16as big as
15:18Hilary Duff.
15:19Sebab muka you macam Hilary Duff.
15:21Okay, honestly,
15:22I feel like
15:23dengan semua label,
15:24it's the same thing.
15:27Like,
15:28I mean,
15:29not to say every label is bad,
15:30but obviously,
15:31bila you nak sign to a label,
15:32mereka business kan?
15:33So, they want you to sign on
15:34for like X amount of years.
15:36So, obviously,
15:37every label will promise that.
15:38Like,
15:40to be honest,
15:41dengan Yuna Puni Label,
15:42she was very, very realistic about it.
15:43She was like,
15:44I see
15:45that you can do,
15:46like,
15:47go from this angle
15:48and be successful.
15:50And, honestly,
15:51at that label,
15:52I had a lot of control lah.
15:54Okay.
15:55I would say almost 100% control
15:56over my creative stuff
15:57because
15:58the label owner
15:59is also an artist.
16:00Yes.
16:01So, she gets it.
16:02She gets it, yeah.
16:03Yeah.
16:04But I would say
16:05dengan a lot of labels,
16:06it's like,
16:07you definitely won't get 100% control lah.
16:08Yep.
16:09But,
16:10yeah.
16:11So, you have never been through the
16:12any...
16:13sebab I nak correct tea je
16:14from you
16:15if you have any...
16:16I have, okay.
16:17So, I have...
16:19Thank you for the tea.
16:21I have
16:22sebab
16:23sometimes kita macam...
16:26Okay, so this is my identity crisis.
16:27Yeah.
16:28So, I come from the indie world.
16:30And then, it's like,
16:32it comes to a point
16:33where you feel like
16:34macam you dah reach
16:35a dead end
16:36in that world
16:37kind of thing.
16:38So, I macam,
16:39okay, let's try mainstream.
16:41And then, with mainstream,
16:42they try to get you
16:43to do these things
16:44yang macam you will
16:45fit into a mould, tau.
16:47Okay.
16:48And then,
16:49I don't know lah.
16:50This is my perspective.
16:51Macam, I rasa
16:52mainstream is like
16:53you fit into this mould
16:54of like,
16:55semua orang kena
16:56jadi penyanyi yang macam
16:58ada powerhouse vocals.
16:59Okay.
17:00Or belters.
17:01Hmm.
17:02Macam big voices.
17:03Hmm.
17:04And I'm just not that.
17:05Okay.
17:06But I think
17:07I tried to step into
17:08that world
17:09and tried to do
17:10macam a different
17:11type of music.
17:13Like, as advised
17:14by the label.
17:15Hmm.
17:16So, it was like
17:17an experimental moment lah.
17:18But because of that,
17:19macam, I rasa
17:20I lost a lot of followers
17:21because they're like,
17:22oh, okay, Bill nak
17:23pergi this direction now.
17:24Okay.
17:25So, dia nak jerit
17:26already this time.
17:27Nak pergi bercuti?
17:28Jangan lupa
17:29untuk kekalkan hidrasi.
17:31Saya memilih
17:32air mineral Spritzer
17:33dan air mineral
17:34Spritzer Sparkling.
17:35Kaya dengan silika
17:36dan mineral lain,
17:37Spritzer memastikan
17:38anda sentiasa terhidrat
17:39di mana jua destinasi.
17:41Jadi,
17:42jom bercuti-cuti
17:43bersama Spritzer.
17:44Dia macam...
17:47Bill dah start to jerit.
17:48So, kita macam...
17:49Dia macam,
17:50trying to challenge myself
17:51tapi very outside.
17:52Okay.
17:53I mean, I feel like
17:54sometimes you have to
17:55go out of your comfort zone.
17:56Correct.
17:57I was losing my identity.
17:59I'm like,
18:00who am I?
18:01Who am I?
18:02This is not what I do.
18:03Dia macam,
18:04hari itu,
18:05last time lah,
18:06there was Jessica Simpson.
18:07Dia kata,
18:08dia,
18:09when she came out,
18:10she joined the record label.
18:12They want her
18:14to have
18:15the voice
18:16like Mariah,
18:18the look like Britney
18:20and the body
18:21like Janet Jackson.
18:23So,
18:24who is she?
18:25Dia kan
18:26simple church girl.
18:27Dia nyanyi kat,
18:28you know,
18:29she sing Christian songs semua.
18:30And tiba-tiba,
18:31she come out
18:32like that.
18:33So,
18:34I believe,
18:35I understand what you're saying
18:36sebab kadang-kadang,
18:37that's the thing about Malaysian.
18:38Do you realise,
18:39Malaysian right,
18:40to be known
18:41as a legit singer,
18:42you have to belt.
18:43Betul.
18:44What is the obsession
18:45with belting?
18:46Kadang-kadang,
18:47it's annoying,
18:48you know.
18:49She was saying,
18:50macam,
18:51actually,
18:52you know,
18:53these singers yang macam,
18:54they selalu,
18:55Malaysians always want
18:56belt this,
18:57belt this,
18:58belt this.
18:59Actually,
19:00sometimes,
19:01it's annoying though.
19:02Oh my God.
19:03I don't feel like it's annoying.
19:04But I feel like,
19:05we should have room
19:06for other types of people.
19:07Yes.
19:08Maybe,
19:09as an artist,
19:10you lagi layak
19:11to explain to some people
19:12compared to me.
19:13Okay.
19:14Kadang-kadang,
19:15ada lah yang
19:16berangan-angan,
19:17bercerita-cerita
19:18nak jadi artis,
19:19nak jadi singer.
19:20Tapi,
19:21dia bukan jenis yang
19:22suka belt,
19:23suka jerit.
19:24And,
19:25dia rasa,
19:26ayuh, insecure lah
19:27kalau saya tak boleh nyanyi
19:28macam at-parik,
19:29macam,
19:30you know,
19:31Aina Abdul ke,
19:32and all.
19:33What would your advice be?
19:34I would say,
19:35stick to your stuff.
19:36Stick to what you know lah.
19:38Because,
19:39for me,
19:40it's like,
19:41bila saya cuba
19:42nak be another
19:43type of artist,
19:44dia macam memang
19:45lost.
19:46Like,
19:47identity crisis gila-gila.
19:48Like,
19:49I would say,
19:50like,
19:51contohnya,
19:52my strength,
19:53I feel lah,
19:54because I feel like
19:55as an artist,
19:56you should know your
19:57strengths and your weaknesses.
19:58I cannot belt.
19:59Like,
20:00I cannot tarik.
20:01But,
20:02my strength lies
20:03within songwriting.
20:04Okay.
20:05I like telling stories,
20:06and just like,
20:07making healing songs
20:08that like,
20:09is very relatable
20:10to people lah,
20:11without the fluff of
20:12macam,
20:13oh,
20:14I nak tarik in this song,
20:15I want like,
20:16the vocal dynamics,
20:17without all that fluff.
20:18Like,
20:20So,
20:21I would say,
20:22stick to your stuff.
20:23If it doesn't work
20:24in Malaysia,
20:25my advice is,
20:26try the overseas market lah.
20:28Have you tried it?
20:29I have not,
20:30but honestly,
20:31when I started out,
20:32my Spotify numbers
20:33were tinggi,
20:34because of
20:35people from
20:36outside Malaysia.
20:37Oh.
20:38Yeah.
20:39Wow.
20:40It was like,
20:41my stats macam memang,
20:42okay,
20:43ada banyak Malaysians,
20:44but also banyak,
20:45macam ramai like,
20:46Singaporean,
20:47Southeast Asians,
20:48people from America,
20:49and stuff.
20:50Actually,
20:51my first platform was,
20:52I don't know if I'm allowed
20:53to say this platform,
20:54but here,
20:55but it was SoundCloud.
20:56Okay.
20:57Boleh je.
20:58Boleh je.
20:59SoundCloud.
21:00Boleh je.
21:01So,
21:02yeah,
21:03on SoundCloud,
21:04macam,
21:05ramai people from overseas
21:06who were,
21:07they would record their songs,
21:08their,
21:09right?
21:10Sorry?
21:11I mean,
21:12that's where a lot of artists,
21:13they started from SoundCloud also.
21:14Yeah,
21:15betul,
21:16because SoundCloud,
21:17and just like,
21:18macam record,
21:19dengan gitar,
21:20dengan piano,
21:21with your voice,
21:22macam demo level lah,
21:23macam a draft.
21:24To test market lah.
21:25To test market on SoundCloud.
21:26So,
21:27macam ramai people from overseas.
21:28So,
21:29that was my first macam,
21:30test market moment lah.
21:31That time,
21:32I wasn't even signed or whatever.
21:33So,
21:34I was just trying it out,
21:35and it went well.
21:36So,
21:37I'm macam,
21:38oh okay,
21:39maybe I can make music.
21:40So,
21:41that's when I started it
21:42for real lah.
21:43Okay,
21:44so your career exploded kan,
21:45from then lah.
21:46Do you realise that
21:47you are still a very
21:48underrated singer,
21:49artist?
21:52I would say,
21:55I mean,
21:56to say underrated,
21:57I feel like that is macam,
21:58playing victim or whatever.
22:00I don't know.
22:01Like,
22:02that's my perception lah.
22:03Tapi,
22:04I say yeah,
22:05I feel like if people would actually,
22:07be exposed to my music,
22:10it would be a very different story lah.
22:12If I had a platform,
22:13a bigger platform to like,
22:14share my music,
22:15it would be a different story lah.
22:17Yeah.
22:18But it's never too late.
22:20It's not,
22:21that's why I'm still,
22:22I'm still at it.
22:23Yeah,
22:24you're still at it.
22:25I mean like,
22:26oh my god,
22:27look at like,
22:28the singer-singers,
22:29Hollywood,
22:30at 40 plus,
22:31baru je have that big break.
22:33Yeah,
22:34even older sometimes.
22:35You're still such a baby to me lah,
22:37you got a lot of time.
22:39When you become the,
22:40the muse,
22:41for healing song ke apa,
22:43don't forget about me,
22:44don't forget we had,
22:45we had Chee Chong Fun here together,
22:47and Spritzer,
22:48come drink some water,
22:49we've been talking too much already just now.
22:50That's true.
22:51Relax, relax sikit.
22:52Tekat dah kering.
22:53Ya kan?
22:58Very refreshing right?
22:59Yeah.
23:00Fresh.
23:01Jom drinking soda,
23:02but not sweet.
23:03Yes.
23:04Zero calorie.
23:05Lerf.
23:06Lerf.
23:07Okay,
23:08so what is that one thing,
23:09yang you rasa,
23:10masyarakat kita,
23:11masih tak tau,
23:12atau,
23:13tak exposed dengan Bill?
23:15I would say,
23:18the music lah.
23:19Okay.
23:20Even then,
23:21sebab macam masa,
23:22I was doing,
23:24doing it in like,
23:25the underground scene,
23:27dia masih macam,
23:29I feel like there's a lot more people,
23:30that I could still reach out to.
23:33It's just that,
23:35I ada,
23:36I don't,
23:37I don't wanna say this as an excuse,
23:38tapi,
23:39macam,
23:40I came from zaman music,
23:42where,
23:43to get more fans,
23:45you kena turun padang.
23:46Okay.
23:47So like,
23:48What do you mean by turun padang?
23:49Oh, do more shows.
23:50Faham, faham, faham.
23:51So go do more shows,
23:52every time you do a show,
23:53you macam,
23:54people start being your fans,
23:55semua itu.
23:56Now it's like a different age,
23:57an age where you are an expert at,
23:59which is the,
24:00digital,
24:01The TikTok era.
24:02Social media.
24:03Faham, faham.
24:04Which I am not good at.
24:05Okay.
24:06So I macam,
24:07to reach more fans,
24:08through social media,
24:09I macam tak pandai.
24:11And I think,
24:12I macam tak 100% adjusted.
24:14Okay.
24:15Also.
24:16But it's something I'm exploring lah.
24:18It's just that I'm used to,
24:19zaman macam,
24:21Oh, kita turun padang,
24:22bawak sini.
24:23Or,
24:24that kind of thing.
24:25Like, I don't feel,
24:26the same about that anymore.
24:28Now,
24:29a lot of artists are doing it,
24:30for the TikTok,
24:31and it's annoying,
24:32but,
24:33they are trying to make,
24:34Okay.
24:35So,
24:36when I say they're doing for the TikTok,
24:37means,
24:38okay,
24:39they'll make music,
24:40without any solid,
24:42storytelling purpose,
24:44but because they want a hit.
24:46Betul.
24:47So when you want a hit,
24:48kadang-kadang,
24:49they will go with the,
24:50content creation route,
24:51that is,
24:52how to make it viral.
24:53Yes.
24:54How do we make our song,
24:55hook catchy.
24:56And to a point,
24:57I takut you rasa ke tak lah,
24:58sekarang ni,
24:59lagu kita,
25:00it gets shorter and shorter.
25:01Sebelum ni lagu kita,
25:02at least 3 minute plus,
25:03sekarang,
25:042 minute and a half,
25:05dah habis.
25:06You dengar enjoy,
25:07enjoy, enjoy,
25:08dah habis.
25:09Tension span kita dah,
25:10semakin merosot ke,
25:12apa kan.
25:13Definitely.
25:14It gets worse.
25:15But I understand what you're saying,
25:16when it comes to,
25:17artis kena turun padang,
25:18kena buat show,
25:19kena buat lot of promotion,
25:21and,
25:22kena jawat to your record label lagi.
25:24Ya.
25:26And you have to have a plan for yourself.
25:28Nowadays,
25:29I think like,
25:30artis are having it,
25:31way easier,
25:32with,
25:33tiba-tiba jadi viral,
25:34then you become a,
25:35sensation.
25:36Tapi nak sustain in the business.
25:38Betul.
25:39That is hard.
25:40That is hard.
25:41Tapi I rasa dia tak,
25:42for me lah,
25:43I think to be viral tu,
25:45agak susah lah.
25:47Because,
25:48I don't know,
25:49or is it easy,
25:50I don't know.
25:51I wouldn't know.
25:52Sebenarnya,
25:53we're in this era kan,
25:54kalau you nak jadi viral senang je,
25:55you bayar je platform dia.
25:56Maknanya,
25:57you pay ads.
25:58But,
25:59that is not organic lah.
26:00Tapi,
26:01macam you nak organically viral,
26:02is,
26:03a lot of combination,
26:04factor,
26:05right place,
26:06right time,
26:07you know,
26:08kenal laki lah.
26:09Ya.
26:10Kadang-kadang,
26:11semua content creator,
26:12semua nak viral.
26:13Ya.
26:14It's true sebab,
26:15macam contohnya,
26:16when you go into a label,
26:18dorang nak you buat lagu yang macam,
26:19Ah, itulah.
26:20Is this gonna be viral?
26:22Ya.
26:23Tapi,
26:24for me,
26:25who is like a person,
26:26yang macam selalu,
26:27buat macam,
26:28You are an artist.
26:29Ya,
26:30I make my music,
26:31myself semua,
26:32I macam,
26:33ha?
26:34I nak kena tulis music,
26:35to be viral ke sekarang?
26:36Maturity lah.
26:37That is not what I am,
26:39and,
26:40that is not what I,
26:41as an artist.
26:42Ya,
26:43and it's not like,
26:44macam,
26:45Oh,
26:46I'm better than everyone,
26:47because I don't wanna like,
26:48be viral ke apa.
26:49It's just like,
26:50macam,
26:51you,
26:52I feel like,
26:53there is that sweet spot,
26:54where you can be,
26:55you can make like,
26:56really good music,
26:57and also be viral at the same time.
26:58Yes.
26:59Contohnya,
27:00lagu yang you quoted just now,
27:01like Sabrina Carpenter.
27:02Yes.
27:03I feel like,
27:04she has that sweet spot.
27:05Macam,
27:06semua lagu dia best.
27:07Yes.
27:08And like,
27:09becomes.
27:10Kan,
27:11dia macam Espresso,
27:12the verse tu,
27:13please,
27:14please,
27:15please,
27:16dethroned by Espresso.
27:17Yes.
27:18Espresso,
27:19dethroned by,
27:20like,
27:21wow.
27:22Billboard dia dominate.
27:23Betul.
27:24And,
27:25that kind of music kat Amerika,
27:26boleh buat.
27:27Exactly.
27:28Kat Malaysia,
27:29kena jerit,
27:30baru number one.
27:31Betul,
27:32betul.
27:33So,
27:34macam contohnya,
27:35macam you now also,
27:36you can accept her music,
27:38it's just that,
27:39she had to go overseas dulu,
27:41for Malaysians to actually be like,
27:43wow,
27:44she's our national treasure.
27:46Love you now.
27:47Ya.
27:48Macam sebelum tu,
27:49okay,
27:50from what I've heard,
27:51sebelum tu,
27:52before she went overseas,
27:53macam people were like,
27:54like ya,
27:55the underground scene liked her music,
27:56but it wasn't like,
27:57macam,
27:58mainstream level.
27:59Level now,
28:00like after she went overseas,
28:01semua orang macam,
28:02oh,
28:03actually,
28:04actually,
28:05her songs are nice.
28:07Wah,
28:08apa,
28:09actually,
28:10sebelum ni,
28:11lagu dia sama je,
28:12like,
28:13she's been singing the same style.
28:14Ya,
28:15she's always been good.
28:16Ya,
28:17she's always been good,
28:18consistent.
28:19Ya.
28:20Maksudnya,
28:21you kena,
28:22after this,
28:23go to US.
28:24I know,
28:25right?
28:26After that,
28:27come back,
28:28lagi superstar.
28:29And then,
28:30people will come to me and say,
28:31wah,
28:32this is her singing style.
28:34Cuma,
28:35korang tak accept lagi.
28:36Is that how you feel still?
28:37Ya,
28:38I definitely feel that way.
28:39Still ah?
28:40Even though,
28:41you now have paved way,
28:42for the chill singing style,
28:44and,
28:45I still feel like,
28:46macam,
28:47you will still remain,
28:48like,
28:49kononnya,
28:50underground lah,
28:51dengan lagu-lagu macam ni.
28:52But actually,
28:53ada je orang yang macam,
28:54shake up the industry.
28:57Actually,
28:58what else are you working on?
28:59I know so far,
29:00you have one album.
29:01How many albums do you want,
29:02right?
29:03I have one EP.
29:04Okay.
29:05Eh,
29:06educate my ignorant.
29:08What is an EP?
29:09What is an album?
29:11So, an EP is,
29:12an extended play.
29:13Okay.
29:14EP.
29:15Extended play.
29:16It's less,
29:17songs than an album.
29:18Okay.
29:19So, EP ni,
29:20basically,
29:21dia punya function is to,
29:22macam,
29:23test market lah.
29:24Oh.
29:25Macam,
29:26you can be more experimental,
29:27with an EP.
29:28And then,
29:29kita launch this EP,
29:30test market,
29:31tengok,
29:32okay,
29:33do people like this kind of stuff?
29:34Okay.
29:35Kalau they do,
29:36then you launch your album.
29:37So, album tu akan,
29:38mengandungi,
29:39lagu dalam EP ke tak?
29:40Mungkin tak.
29:41Mungkin tak lah.
29:42Sometimes tak,
29:43tapi,
29:44that vibe lah.
29:45Okay.
29:46Dia macam,
29:47you build on that vibe,
29:48that environment.
29:49Oh.
29:50Okay,
29:51kadang-kadang,
29:52I always ask,
29:53kenapa artis ni,
29:54lebih sangat,
29:55kejap album,
29:56kejap EP,
29:57kejap single,
29:58like,
29:59silakan,
30:0050 markah,
30:01silakan.
30:02So,
30:03the financial decision is,
30:04macam,
30:05kalau you keluarkan single,
30:06it is,
30:07actually,
30:08more,
30:09it depends lah,
30:10on how big you are,
30:11it's actually more financially smart.
30:13Sebab,
30:14kalau you keluarkan album,
30:15you spend a lot,
30:16right,
30:17on so many songs,
30:18and then,
30:19bila you keluarkan album,
30:20that's why some people,
30:21keluarkan single dulu,
30:22that is part of your album.
30:23Sebab,
30:24you nak orang dengar,
30:25every single song.
30:26Okay.
30:27If you keluarkan album,
30:28it's like,
30:29tak tentu,
30:30people will listen to all the songs.
30:32Like,
30:33they will listen to their favourite,
30:34and then,
30:35the rest,
30:36yeah,
30:37we're done.
30:38Unless you're really big lah.
30:39Okay.
30:40But,
30:41so singles,
30:42nowadays,
30:43people do a lot of singles,
30:44sebab,
30:45dia macam,
30:46more financially smart lah.
30:47Oh,
30:48rupanya macam tu.
30:49My God.
30:50So,
30:51one day,
30:52when I,
30:53finally ready to get into the music,
30:54I'll do some singles first lah.
30:55Kalau tak,
30:56kita,
30:58eh,
30:59I only listen to two of your songs,
31:00enough lah,
31:01no need to.
31:02Yeah.
31:03Oh my God,
31:04you nak buat musikkah?
31:05Eh,
31:06kalau tak,
31:07I join vocal class,
31:08buat apa?
31:09Actually,
31:10you join buat apa?
31:11Your vocal class?
31:12Because,
31:13I'm working late,
31:14because I wanna be a singer.
31:15Because I'm a singer.
31:16Can you sing?
31:17I don't know.
31:18Audition,
31:19audition,
31:20audition.
31:21Eh,
31:22Cik!
31:23Audition apa ye?
31:24Macam,
31:25Dato Shafinas.
31:26Dato Shafinas,
31:27nak ambil kelas dengan dia,
31:28kena nyanyi,
31:29audition tau,
31:30jangan main-main.
31:31Hah?
31:32Kau buat kelas?
31:33Kalau,
31:34you want her to be a teacher,
31:35you have to audition for her.
31:36That is crazy.
31:37That is scary,
31:38right?
31:39No,
31:40like,
31:41she,
31:42I've never met her in person,
31:43she looks like a really cool person,
31:44and,
31:45respect to her,
31:46tapi,
31:47I'm,
31:48I think I will be scared of her.
31:49Kalau,
31:50you duduk next to her,
31:51during jury,
31:52like,
31:53because,
31:54macam,
31:56tak adalah layak untuk buat judgement ke apa kan,
31:58so,
31:59I,
32:00with my own eyes,
32:01saw her,
32:02taking notes of,
32:03every,
32:04like,
32:05when you sing kan,
32:06she listen,
32:07she take note of every line.
32:10Scary.
32:11So,
32:12kalau diction kau lari,
32:14hmm,
32:15dia akan bagi.
32:16My God.
32:17But,
32:18that's what,
32:19that's what makes her the teacher lah.
32:20Betul.
32:21She's really good at,
32:22judging.
32:23Ya,
32:24and she,
32:25one thing about her is,
32:26pronunciation kena betul.
32:27Kalau,
32:28you slur dalam,
32:29kena.
32:31But,
32:32there are still people,
32:33in this industry,
32:34who still,
32:35appreciate artistry.
32:37Ya.
32:38Ya.
32:39So,
32:40for me kan,
32:41sebenarnya,
32:42I jenis yang,
32:43when I was younger,
32:44I pun nak jadi performer,
32:45semua.
32:46Tapi,
32:47my voice kan,
32:48because I belong,
32:49I have a higher,
32:50pitch.
32:51Ya,
32:52so,
32:53biasa diterima oleh,
32:54normal people,
32:55and then they call my,
32:56call me names,
32:57and bully me to a point,
32:58I thought,
32:59I sound very weird.
33:00But,
33:01when you go for singing class,
33:03and all,
33:04you have good teacher that will tell you,
33:05there's nothing wrong.
33:06And that's what makes your voice unique.
33:08Ya,
33:09you work on your strength.
33:10And to be a good singer,
33:11kadang-kadang bukan nak,
33:13belt ke apa,
33:14you kena stay on your key.
33:16Stay on pitch.
33:17That's what's important.
33:19Bukan nak,
33:20baru you are considered a good singer.
33:22Ya,
33:23betul.
33:24So,
33:25back to your question,
33:26can I sing?
33:27Happy birthday,
33:28okay lah.
33:29Still like,
33:30ikut melody semua.
33:31Ya.
33:32But,
33:33if you ask me to like,
33:34go like,
33:35breathing control,
33:36that one,
33:37still take time.
33:38Oh,
33:39ya.
33:40For sure,
33:41breathing,
33:42like,
33:43voice control is a hard thing.
33:44Even for me.
33:45Like,
33:46I dah buat berapa years pun,
33:47it's difficult for me juga.
33:48Ya.
33:49Kadang-kadang,
33:50I ask cikgu like,
33:51to do vocal warm-up.
33:53Kita akan,
33:54macam,
33:55she will play the piano,
33:56then you hum or sing along kan.
33:58Kadang-kadang,
33:59I tak dapat.
34:00So,
34:01I will be very hard on myself like,
34:02why I tak dapat?
34:03This time lah,
34:04I ask ke,
34:05cikgu,
34:06betul ke?
34:07Are you saying like,
34:08Masha Milan pun macam ni ke?
34:09Then she said,
34:10yes,
34:11everyone has the moment when,
34:12it's not their day.
34:13Yes.
34:14Betul.
34:15That's why sometimes,
34:16artists when they sing live,
34:17eh,
34:18kenapa dia macam ni?
34:19Ya.
34:21Mungkin,
34:22some factors.
34:23Ya,
34:24dia macam environmental factors ke,
34:25tak sehat ke.
34:26Ya.
34:27Sometimes,
34:28you macam,
34:29your mental game not strong ke.
34:30Kan,
34:31itu paling penting.
34:32It will affect your performance juga.
34:33Dahlah,
34:34you kena nyanyi,
34:35last time kena nyanyi,
34:36kena buat kerja lagi.
34:37Betul.
34:38Buat live,
34:39nyanyi lagi.
34:40I buat show,
34:41macam,
34:42sampai pukul 12,
34:43macam,
34:44ah,
34:45besok kena pergi kerja.
34:46Kena pergi kerja,
34:47proposal belum buat lagi.
34:48Tak tahulah,
34:49so what's next?
34:50What's the next project?
34:51Apa-apa upcoming project,
34:52yang you nak share,
34:53kepada followers ke?
34:54So,
34:55actually,
34:56Mekar ni,
34:57the single that I just released,
34:58lagu ni is actually,
34:59part of a bigger EP,
35:02that I'm going to release juga.
35:05Ya,
35:06I'm really excited about lagu-lagu ni,
35:07sebab lagu-lagu ni,
35:08macam,
35:09this bunch of songs,
35:10dia,
35:11punya subject matter,
35:12dia,
35:13is more mature.
35:14Dia macam,
35:15lebih kena with my age,
35:16right now lah.
35:17And,
35:18it's very personal.
35:19Very,
35:20very personal.
35:21So,
35:22I'm excited about that.
35:23I dah ada the draft of the song,
35:26with me.
35:27So,
35:28that's the next project lah,
35:29EP tu.
35:30EP,
35:31lepas tu,
35:32insya Allah,
35:33boleh buat album.
35:34Yes.
35:35Yes.
35:36Maybe lah,
35:37that will happen kan.
35:38Still young,
35:39don't worry,
35:40explore.
35:41God,
35:42am I still young?
35:43Yes,
35:44you are.
35:45Being young is a state of mind.
35:46That's true.
35:48Okay.
35:49So,
35:50thank you so much for sharing,
35:51your musical journey,
35:52dengan semua.
35:53Oh,
35:54sebelum I let you go,
35:56bagilah plug lah,
35:57your social media ke,
35:58apa ke.
35:59Okay.
36:00So,
36:01you guys can follow me,
36:02at Bill Musa,
36:03B-I-L-L-M-U-S-A,
36:04on YouTube,
36:05on Instagram,
36:06on TikTok juga.
36:07Yes.
36:08Viral kan,
36:09lagu dia.
36:10Alright,
36:11korang semua,
36:12nantikan episode seterusnya,
36:13Podcast Sembang Atas Dulang,
36:14bersama saya,
36:15Sedi.
36:16Yang ketiga,
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36:38Spritzer memastikan anda,
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