ザ！世界仰天ニュース スポーツ界騒然!ギャンブル依存症の真実…やめられない脳の秘密
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00:00I
00:11Listen I don't wanna I don't
00:13Just a shot. She won't believe myself
00:16Saitia
00:17Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So go look at that. I don't go to it. They're
00:22Not good to create on this
00:24She's a little bit
00:32So good
00:45She don't believe she don't believe
00:54I'm not getting it. Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna show you
01:01So it's all done. Oh, hey, honey. I'm doing it. I'm gonna
01:06Don't you go? Yeah, I'm not gonna get it. You don't get it. You don't get it. You don't get it
01:16You know
01:24I
01:32Will have you didn't get a shot. I got a call. Yeah, it's a big knife
01:38Honey, I'm blue. He's on show
01:41I'm a doctor more. Yeah, man. I don't show no shinji
01:45What's up?
01:48Otani show hey since you know to yako tsutomete. It's a mizuhara. Ippei. She got kaiko Saremashita
01:54Mizuhara she was you know, she I go say she didn't
01:57Gamble, he's on show. No, Jim got a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit
02:02Jim, they are no foot this money. So no, I know I don't don't don't want you to marry
02:07So cool. I knew you asked the man you are
02:09What do you want to know? Can I go? She's not here? But not as a
02:12market to the kitchen
02:15Moshiki
02:17On a news day, you know, he's on show to you. Come on. You want you will come to me good
02:22I'm young
02:23He's on show. I'm kakego to a no-show. Don't gotta come here. What's he coming?
02:28Can you talk to me?
02:30You'll cheer say she's got
02:33Money, you're a jacuzzi. I'm a huge knee. Yeah, man
02:40Jose Rodolfo, no, she don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you don't you
02:45Don't you know you're so fun? Yeah, we do money. You don't say
02:48They say
02:50So stay young blue. He's on show me what you do. He's got a little kicker. Can you not go to a school night?
02:56I don't you
02:58I should look at you again. You know, come on
03:02I'm a double. I got to you know me nothing. Yeah, man. I don't know
03:06It's a no-no
03:10Young blue Joe need to eat
03:13To
03:15Sankara young skinny
03:1750 man good idea
03:20On the day that chance. Oh, what's in car mills? I change the car. How about it?
03:24It's about my head. I don't like that. She needs to do this. I'm back home
03:30Yes, he's on Kagetsu. I don't
03:33Come on
03:35Harita got there by joy not there. Hi, sir. She created. She didn't know so it is a co-star. What are you doing?
03:44Okay
03:46I'm a danger not to hit
03:49Hey, buddy, he had a chica there, but I don't think I'm on the car. Well, I get it. What's in there? Yeah, John. Hey
03:55Honey, so stay down blue. He's on show there. Hey, now. Oh, he could come up to you. May sports
04:10Don't you know, oh, thank you. Oh, yeah, come on. Oh, thank you. I can't talk about it. You are no
04:16Hello, Suzy. Take that out. I'm not a zoo. I don't jump on this one
04:21Cook mean taking in Kirishida, Takara gamble in Hamari small ginseng or boy need to get you up
04:28Zimbo, yeah, you must have more
04:30gamblers
04:33Put on the mind you see
04:36You are more likely marketer. Oh
04:40Honey
04:43Oh
04:47So, okay, I don't think about it. Okay. Don't walk on. Oh, so I couldn't only own it. I'd like to get it
04:57None of us. I couldn't only want to smoke. So I couldn't even do that. I thought about it. Oh, nice
05:04Apple sour cream on your dinner. I'm not gonna make that. I don't want this kiddo
05:09Then that again, I don't mind. We don't know this kiddo
05:12The only no she runs our criminal. I got that one you say nice
05:17This is part of a convenient location that only that one
05:21So not possible. I couldn't only own a CEO. Oh boy. Take a lot of personal time. No, I don't like a good car. He must
05:28Sugi-san
05:31I'm a potcher. You don't know. No, I'm not getting it
05:35For a new year, I could see this kiddo to talk to on that kind of mark. I'm not a dog. I didn't ask
05:40She's
05:58No, it's not that I don't think that I don't like that. I don't like it. I don't see this job. I'll be okay
06:03I got out. I'm not a model. I don't know. I'm not it's just I get it. I'm not gonna mark
06:09Yes, I do. Do you do that? I got this you put on top of the ticket
06:13It's been a model. So cocky. What the hell? Yes, I need your name for the money. No such thing. We always muster. What's that?
06:23Yes, you know you made it
06:25I
06:56Do you know they're gonna come out of it? Yeah, come on. That's a lot. That's it. That's good. I'm
07:06Do you think no, no, I don't know. Oh, hi. There's a new thing
07:14Who's that? Hey, what are you? I mean, I know nothing. I just can't buy you guys
07:18You know, it's one game. I got ski day. I'll call you. I just don't see what the night my demo
07:22I'm going to do it. I'll do it. I'm going to tell you about that. It's got to go. I'm gonna go
07:40Do you think you need to be stuck that remember you have money small gym so you'll go you get your moisturizing
07:49I gamble almost every day.
07:55I'm not as good at gambling as I used to be.
07:59What the hell is going on?
08:03In 1983, Riki Takato left the sumo world right after he graduated from junior high school.
08:11He became a heavyweight at the age of 21, 6 years after he joined the sport.
08:16In sumo, there is no salary from head to toe.
08:20When you become a heavyweight, you are called a sekitori for the first time,
08:23and you are paid about 1.1 million yen per month from the sumo association.
08:28When you become a yokozuna, you are paid more than 3 million yen per month.
08:31You also get a prize money and various treatments.
08:36Riki Takato started to get paid from the weight promotion,
08:40and he started to live alone from his daily life.
08:44One day, he was invited by his brother.
08:49It was an honor to gamble.
08:58And he won 100,000 yen.
09:00Don't drink! Don't drink!
09:04I won!
09:06It's amazing!
09:09He won more than 4 million yen.
09:15I'm amazing.
09:18I can win so easily.
09:21I'm going to meet him.
09:24It was a pleasure for him.
09:31In fact, people who are addicted to gambling
09:34rarely get a chance to win for the first time.
09:38Riki Takato also got a chance to win,
09:41and he went crazy with the gears of life.
09:45Can I win again?
09:47When he thought so, he couldn't stay still.
09:50He tried to move his feet many times.
09:54Damn it!
09:56However, winning happens once in a while.
09:59Losses come one after another.
10:02And he tried to get back the losses.
10:09In the end, he lost all his salary because of gambling.
10:15Every time, he thought like this.
10:21What am I doing?
10:23What am I doing?
10:26Of course, he regretted it.
10:29I have no choice but to do my best in sumo.
10:33He was originally talented and loved sumo.
10:36It was not easy for him to practice sumo.
10:40He started practicing sumo when he was 8 months old.
10:45After that, he kept practicing sumo.
10:49At that time, he was still able to control gambling in himself.
10:54In his private life,
10:56he married the daughter of Taihou Oyakata,
11:00a famous sumo wrestler in Showa era, in 1993.
11:04Many people around him were looking forward to seeing Riki Takato.
11:10Riki Takato!
11:11I'm looking forward to seeing you next time!
11:13I'll do my best!
11:16What?
11:17It's almost Oseki.
11:19You should wear better clothes.
11:23You're right.
11:29I should buy a new coat.
11:35As everyone said,
11:37he bought a new coat with the prize money.
11:40However,
11:42rather than buying a new coat,
11:44the first thing that came to his mind was gambling.
11:47That's right.
11:50A little bit is enough.
11:52You should buy a new coat after you win.
11:56He prioritized gambling over money.
12:04In fact, gamblers have a characteristic.
12:08They always think that it's not good to continue gambling.
12:14In other words, they know that they shouldn't gamble,
12:17but they lie to themselves and do it anyway.
12:22On the other hand, people who don't hesitate to gamble
12:25don't have a gambling addiction.
12:27Even if they know that they shouldn't gamble,
12:29they can't control their impulses,
12:31and they do it involuntarily.
12:33It's called a gambling addiction.
12:35When people who like gambling think about gambling,
12:38a substance called dopamine is secreted in the brain.
12:42This stimulates pleasure and excitement,
12:45so it's also called a brain drug.
12:47Normally, at the same time,
12:49a substance called noradrenaline,
12:51which increases attention and judgment, is also secreted,
12:55and a calm judgment is maintained.
12:58People with a gambling addiction
13:00have less of this noradrenaline,
13:03and they think that they can't feel the pleasure
13:06other than gambling
13:08when they take dopamine,
13:10which is also called a substance.
13:17As a result, they only get excited about gambling
13:20and can't stop it.
13:24They can no longer control their impulses.
13:33Until now, they were able to control their impulses.
13:44When they run out of money,
13:46they can't control their impulses until the next day.
13:49I'm sorry, but can you lend me some money?
13:52Money? How much?
13:55How about 500,000 yen?
13:58Okay.
14:00They gamble until they have 100,000 yen.
14:05And they can't be satisfied with a small amount of money.
14:15They dream of winning a lot and gamble.
14:21What is this?
14:242 million yen?
14:26My dad was sick,
14:28and I had to take care of him.
14:30I need a lot of money.
14:32It's not a good lie.
14:34I don't know what to do.
14:36You have to be honest.
14:38Please.
14:40They borrow money until they lie.
14:43In the case of alcohol and drug addiction,
14:46it's easy to notice the symptoms,
14:49but in the case of gambling addiction,
14:51the symptoms rarely show up.
14:54It's hard for everyone to notice
14:57because they try to hide their gambling habits.
15:01They borrow money until they have 100,000 yen.
15:04They work until they have 100,000 yen.
15:06They're addicted to gambling.
15:08This may be the case
15:10when people around them don't notice.
15:15In March of this year,
15:17there was a case of Mizuhara Ippei,
15:19who used to be a translator.
15:21He was suspected of gambling
15:23when he was in high school.
15:25This is a typical case of gambling addiction.
15:30So, today...
15:31Today is the secret of gambling brain.
15:33Professor Takafumi Asakura,
15:35who is in charge of gambling addiction
15:37in the Department of Psychiatry and Psychiatry
15:39at Kitasato University Medical School.
15:41Thank you for coming.
15:45From now on,
15:46the five guests will announce
15:48the dangers of gambling addiction.
15:50Let's announce it.
15:52Are you ready?
15:53Did you write the questionnaire?
15:55Yes, we did.
15:56This time,
15:57Professor Asakura will check the questionnaire
15:59of the five guests in advance.
16:01Will he be able to limit the budget
16:03and time for gambling?
16:05Will he hide his gambling habits from someone?
16:08Will he try to get it back as soon as he loses?
16:11He will check the dangers of gambling addiction
16:13in the questionnaire.
16:15I'm listening now,
16:17but it's pretty bad.
16:19I'm a little nervous.
16:21This is the announcement of the third place
16:23where gambling addiction is close to average.
16:33It's Hikorohi.
16:34What? No way!
16:36No way!
16:37Hikorohi?
16:38Unexpectedly.
16:39So, the third place is Hikorohi.
16:41His danger level is 58.
16:43I think it's average
16:45among people who like gambling.
16:48In the questionnaire,
16:50Professor Asakura checked
16:52the story of quitting pachinko.
16:54You quit pachinko at the age of 22?
16:56Yes, I graduated.
16:57At the age of 22?
16:58I lost all my money at the age of 22.
17:01What?
17:02You lost all your money at the age of 22?
17:04Yes, I lost a lot of money,
17:06so I quit pachinko at the age of 22.
17:14What made you quit pachinko?
17:16I started to go deeper into horse racing.
17:19What?
17:20G3? G1?
17:21Only G1?
17:22No, no.
17:23I do everything.
17:24I also do local races.
17:25You also do local races?
17:26Yes, I do local races.
17:27Is this really average, Professor?
17:29You're talking in a hurry,
17:30but is it really the third place?
17:32Which part of the horse racing
17:34do you like the most?
17:35When you win?
17:37Of course, when I win,
17:39but what I like the most is
17:41before the fourth corner.
17:45Before the fourth corner?
17:47I don't know what's going to happen
17:49from now on.
17:53Before the fourth corner,
17:55when the horse comes,
17:56it comes out.
17:58Do you know how much pleasure you're getting?
18:00It's really...
18:02It's like the first time
18:04Downtown laughed at me.
18:06That's how much pleasure I'm getting.
18:08You're going to see the race, right?
18:11Yes.
18:12I have plenty of time to see the race.
18:14Do you have plenty of time to see the race?
18:16At this point,
18:18I still have a long way to go.
18:26You don't even have to see the race.
18:28You're just counting the numbers.
18:30People who go to the race,
18:32people who watch the race at home,
18:34and people who don't even watch the race.
18:36The degree is a little different.
18:38There are people who don't watch the race.
18:40According to Mr. Asakura,
18:42people who go to the racetrack and gamble
18:44have a low degree of dependence,
18:46and people who just gamble
18:48have a high degree of dependence.
18:50That's true.
18:52Compared to that,
18:54it's still better.
18:56I don't go until I live or die.
18:58So, the third place is
19:00Mr. Asakura.
19:02It was a dangerous 58th place.
19:04Now,
19:06it's time to announce the second place
19:08The second place is
19:16Mr. Aoki.
19:22It was a dangerous 86th place.
19:24Is that so?
19:26What did you do?
19:28I was a pachinko player.
19:30I've been playing pachinko for about 10 years
19:32since I was in my 20s.
19:34What did you do for a living?
19:36I didn't have a living expense.
19:38You didn't have a living expense.
19:40Did you live alone?
19:42I lived with him once,
19:44but he told me to stop playing pachinko.
19:46He told me to stop
19:48and lied to me.
19:50You can't live for 20,000 to 30,000 yen.
19:5210,000 yen is gone in about 20 minutes.
19:54It's gone in about 20 minutes.
19:56It's gone in a blink of an eye.
19:58So, 10,000 yen is equal to
20:00about 100 yen.
20:02I don't know about this.
20:04When it comes to gambling,
20:06it is said that
20:08there is a high possibility
20:10of gambling addiction.
20:12What is the dangerous action
20:14that many people with addiction
20:16take?
20:18If you take a strong action,
20:20you will be paralyzed.
20:22If you get addicted to gambling,
20:24your brain will be paralyzed.
20:30Check the danger of gambling addiction.
20:32In Mr. Aoki's survey,
20:34the teacher was interested in
20:36the story of parents and lovers.
20:38In fact, it is said that it is a characteristic
20:40of people with addiction.
20:42What do you do for a living?
20:44I borrow money from my parents.
20:46You don't have a living expense, do you?
20:48A living expense.
20:50It is said that there is a high possibility
20:52of gambling addiction
20:54when you lie about gambling.
20:56What is the dangerous action
20:58that many people with addiction
21:00take?
21:02I'm going to lie about it.
21:04It's the same when you borrow money.
21:06I can't tell you
21:08if you used the money
21:10with a pachinko.
21:12I can't tell you
21:14that I used the money
21:16with a pachinko.
21:18I can't tell you that.
21:20When I couldn't borrow money from my parents,
21:22I used to borrow money from a small business.
21:24It's a little dangerous
21:26to borrow money
21:28for a pachinko, isn't it?
21:30That's right.
21:32What kind of mechanism is it?
21:34That's right.
21:36Why can't I quit?
21:38There is a secret in my brain.
21:40Dopamine, a pleasure substance,
21:42comes out when you do
21:44what you like and expect.
21:46That's why I'm excited.
21:48It's the driving force of action.
21:50However, like gambling,
21:52when you do something
21:54that's very stimulating,
21:56the amount of dopamine
21:58comes out more than normal.
22:00Like this.
22:02If you repeat
22:04having too much dopamine,
22:06you'll feel like you're having fun,
22:08but you'll feel a little weak.
22:10You'll be paralyzed by stimulation.
22:12So you'll do
22:14more high-risk things.
22:16The other thing is
22:18the part in front of your head.
22:20It's a part of the brain
22:22that regulates dopamine.
22:24This part of the brain
22:26becomes weak.
22:28That's why you feel like
22:30you're going to do
22:32more intense gambling.
22:34People who can't quit
22:36often tell me
22:38that their will is weak.
22:40If you have a strong will,
22:42you can quit.
22:44That's what people say.
22:46It's difficult
22:48if you have a strong will.
22:50That's exactly right.
22:52I see.
22:58So it's the part in front of your head
23:00that's the strongest.
23:02It's called the near-miss effect.
23:04Especially in gambling,
23:06you can manipulate it
23:08like a pachinko.
23:10Strong and weak.
23:12If you hit the near-miss
23:14part in front of your head
23:16the same part of your brain
23:18will get excited.
23:20I see.
23:22It's the part in front of your head
23:24that gets excited.
23:26I get it.
23:28It's either 7,
23:30or 6,
23:32or 7,
23:34or 6,
23:36or 6,
23:38or 6,
23:40or 6,
23:42or 6,
23:44or 6,
23:46or 6,
23:48or 6,
23:50or 6,
23:52or 6,
23:54or 6,
23:56or 6,
23:58or 6.
24:00I went to a Blue Noir gig
24:02and it's the same part I used for pachinko.
24:04You're kidding!
24:06I'm serious.
24:10I'm sure it's the same.
24:12I
24:42Know
25:12I
25:42Don't you are Konoka today?
25:47You know
25:50Hey, I don't know they died. Oh, you are
25:58What did you do?
26:04No, no, no
26:07What's up, man, she can't do much much again, I think
26:10It's a good check. We'll give you a kid. Oh, wait. Yeah, cope. I don't do this, you know
26:15Thank you. What did you think?
26:17So the cope know already what a time of time
26:21Coach, it's not a beer. Oh, you're not a night
26:24Come a tongue
26:25Tissue toilet paper. No, so they'll come to this kiddo issue. Come on. Come on
26:30That's a boy got a little bit of a kid. Oh, yeah, but come on. I think it'll be more to it
26:34I
27:04I don't think there's anything happier than this.
27:06There's nothing happier than this?
27:08It's ideal.
27:10It's ideal, but I don't admire it.
27:12Stop it.
27:14It's embarrassing.
27:16Let's hear from Shibuya-san.
27:18We'll verify it later.
27:20Shibuya-san.
27:22Have you ever experienced that you depend on something?
27:24Recently,
27:26I've been watching short videos on YouTube.
27:30You're young.
27:32If I swipe something that I like,
27:34it comes out forever.
27:38When do you watch videos?
27:40Really,
27:42even in the bath.
27:44Do you watch it before you go to bed?
27:46Yes, I do.
27:48I see.
27:50Do you think you should stop it?
27:52Yes, I do.
27:54But it comes out forever.
27:56It's like a will.
27:58If the pattern is decided automatically,
28:02it's easy to continue.
28:04I think it's important to break the pattern.
28:16By the way, what kind of video is it?
28:20Recently,
28:22a short video called
28:24KOSUGI-SAN
28:26is popular.
28:28I found KOSUGI-SAN's video.
28:30Tell me.
28:32KOSUGI-SAN
28:34tried to cure his hair completely,
28:36but it cost 15,000,000 yen.
28:38Wait a minute.
28:40That's a lot of money.
28:44That's the last thing I remember.
28:46It cost 15,000,000 yen.
28:4815,000,000 yen is zero.
28:50Stop it.
28:52KOSUGI-SAN doesn't gamble at all.
28:54I've done gambling before,
28:56but I've never won a lot.
28:58So I don't think I have any dopamine.
29:02I only have a little bit of dopamine.
29:04If I had won a lot at that time,
29:06and I had a lot of dopamine,
29:08I would have won a lot.
29:10Is there a possibility that you don't have dopamine?
29:12There is a possibility.
29:14I see.
29:16KOSUGI-SAN
29:18has a lot of dopamine.
29:20I have a lot of dopamine.
29:22If I had a lot of dopamine,
29:24I would have won a lot.
29:26I see.
29:28I would have won a lot.
29:30I see.
29:32I see.
29:34I see.
29:36I see.
29:38I see.
29:40I see.
29:42I see.
29:50It's easy to tolerate the falling of the interest rate.
29:52It's easy to tolerate the falling of the interest rate.
29:54It's easy to tolerate the falling of the interest rate.
30:06What?
30:08I thought I was right.
30:10Oh
30:40My favorite one is the horse, pachinko, slot.
30:46Aoki-san, you said you were going to pay back your debt, right?
30:48Yes, I was going to pay back 9 million yen.
30:51Really?
30:52Yes.
30:53So, you paid back your debt well?
30:54Yes, I did.
30:57I won the tournament.
30:59And I paid off my debt.
31:01So, you don't have a debt now?
31:02No, I don't.
31:03Not now.
31:04I'm borrowing some money from the company.
31:07I borrowed money from the company to gamble.
31:09It's a company business.
31:11What kind of company?
31:13It's not like that.
31:15What is Yoshimura?
31:17I don't know.
31:19According to the teacher,
31:21he was in a scientific debt
31:23that couldn't be paid off in Mogura at the time,
31:25and he was able to pay it off with a prize money.
31:27But in the first place,
31:29he wasn't able to pay it off on time.
31:31In addition, he didn't stop gambling
31:33and was in debt again.
31:35That's the reason.
31:37Tell us about one of the charms of Mogura.
31:39What's good about Mogura?
31:41Well,
31:43the content is perfect.
31:45Are you serious?
31:47It's like a detective school.
31:49Are you serious?
31:51Is it a story you did at a tournament?
31:53It's perfect,
31:55but the life is...
31:57You're an entertainer.
31:59It's not good.
32:01How about you, Kosugi?
32:03What's good about Mogura?
32:05I want my children to be like you.
32:07What's that answer?
32:09What's that answer?
32:11I'm not crying at all.
32:13He's an ideal child.
32:15He's an ideal child.
32:19He's already winning.
32:21It's amazing.
32:23He won the first time,
32:25and he was addicted to gambling.
32:27He was a gambler.
32:29He's a gambler.
32:31He's a gambler.
32:33He dreams of winning.
32:35But...
32:37Damn it.
32:39He can't win sometimes.
32:41He can't win often.
32:45He lost all his salary.
32:47But...
32:49He lied to the police.
32:51He was in debt.
32:53He was in debt.
32:55He couldn't stop gambling.
32:57He couldn't stop gambling.
32:59He lost all his money.
33:01He lost all his money.
33:05But he didn't stop gambling
33:07to pay off his debt.
33:113 million yen, right?
33:13Yes.
33:15He borrowed money
33:17from his friend, Korigashi.
33:19If he worked hard,
33:21he could pay off his debt.
33:23And...
33:25He tried to get close to Korigashi.
33:29I know.
33:31I want to pay off my debt.
33:33But I can't do that.
33:35I'm a human being.
33:37I want to make it easy.
33:39I want to turn the tables.
33:41It's hard to turn the tables.
33:43It's hard to turn the tables.
33:45It's hard to turn the tables.
33:47Yes.
33:49If you don't pay off your debt,
33:51I'll come to pick you up tomorrow.
33:53It's like a car of fire.
33:55It's like a car of fire.
33:57By the way,
33:59according to a study by Missouri University,
34:0119% of family members
34:03with gambling addiction
34:05are called gamblers.
34:0719% of family members
34:09with gambling addiction
34:11are called gamblers.
34:13In fact,
34:15Korigashi's father
34:17was also a big gambler.
34:19In fact,
34:21his father was also a big gambler.
34:23His father's gambling addiction
34:25may have affected his family.
34:29However,
34:31his father,
34:33former Yokozuna,
34:35the lord of the typhoon,
34:37saved his family.
34:39His father's father,
34:41former Yokozuna,
34:43former Yokozuna,
34:45former Yokozuna,
34:47former Yokozuna,
34:49He paid off his debt
34:51with sumo for his family.
34:53with sumo for his family.
34:55He paid off his debt with sumo for his family.
34:59He took up gambling
35:01and practiced.
35:07At that time,
35:09he was depressed
35:11and thought it was over.
35:15In March 2000,
35:17he was 32 years old.
35:19He won the first round
35:21in the history of Japan.
35:25He thought everyone would recover.
35:27He thought everyone would recover.
35:29However,
35:31the fear of gambling addiction
35:33was from here.
35:35Good morning.
35:41With a little temptation,
35:43with a little temptation,
35:45his heart was shaken.
35:49He thought he would lose.
35:51He thought he would lose.
35:53He insisted on not buying.
35:55He insisted on not buying.
35:57At that time,
35:59At that time,
36:01I should have bought it.
36:03I should have bought it.
36:05For some reason,
36:07he had a hunch.
36:09I have a hunch,
36:11but I have to buy it.
36:13I have to buy it.
36:15I have to buy it.
36:17He convinced himself
36:19that he would lose if he didn't buy.
36:21He convinced himself that he would lose if he didn't buy.
36:25He disguised himself
36:27and hid in a gambling house.
36:29and hid in a gambling house.
36:31He took a break and went abroad.
36:33He took a break and went abroad.
36:39He gambled
36:41until he ran out of money.
36:43until he ran out of money.
36:45I lost all my money.
36:47I lost all my money.
36:49I should have saved 10,000 yen.
36:51I should have saved 10,000 yen.
36:53After all,
36:55after his first victory,
36:57he retired in 2002
36:59without any outstanding results.
37:01After that,
37:03he became the lord of Ohtake
37:05and became the successor
37:07of Taiho, his father.
37:09But even as a lord,
37:11he couldn't stop gambling.
37:15He couldn't stop gambling.
37:17He couldn't stop gambling.
37:19He couldn't stop gambling.
37:21He couldn't stop gambling.
37:23He could invite demons
37:25to finish him off.
37:33A former writer
37:35who had retired
37:37Gets close to him.
37:39What kind of gambling is it?
37:41It's a baseball gambling.
37:43野球賭博
37:45それは違法賭博
37:47そして全てを失う
37:522002年に引退したタカトーリキはその後
37:56大竹親方となり
37:58義理の父である大宝の後継者の道へ
38:04だ
38:06それでもギャンブルをやめられなかった
38:09そしてそんな彼に
38:11とどめを刺すような悪魔の誘いが
38:23なんと誘ってきたのは
38:25違法なプロ野球の賭博
38:29この誘いにタカトーリキは乗ってしまい
38:32それはすぐに公の知るところになった
38:37野球賭博に大竹親方が関与
38:40マスコミに大々的に報じられ
38:44相撲会を追放された
38:47そして妻とも離婚することとなった
38:53もしかするとこのままでは全てを失う
38:57そう頭ではわかっていてもなかなかやめられない
39:03そこで
39:10仕事しとかないとね
39:13こう考えたタカトーリキは
39:15人生をやり直そうと焼肉店を始めた
39:19もちろん周りの助けがあってのこと
39:23多くの人に迷惑をかけ
39:25もうギャンブルはやらないと心に決めたという
39:30焼肉店オープンから14年
39:32今はどうしているのか
39:35じゃあ渋谷さん
39:37映画があるということですか
39:38はい
39:39夏休みにぴったりな映画ができました
39:41私が主演を務める映画
39:43あの子は誰が
39:44全国にて公開中です
39:46あの子は誰っつうの
39:48はい
39:49怪奇を巻き起こす学園ホラーなんです
39:51はい
39:52なのでこの夏は映画
39:53あの子は誰で
39:54お友達や恋人と
39:56ゾクゾクヒヤッとしてください
39:57お願いします
39:58はい
39:59週末の19日
40:01今公開中ということで
40:04ご覧いただきたいと思います
40:06青木さんちょっとお伺いしたいんですけど
40:08青木さんは今パチンコは止められている
40:11そうですね距離を置いている
40:12やってないという感じですね
40:14どうやって制御しているんですか
40:16あの我慢です
40:18あともう一個あるのは
40:20私は浪費癖というか
40:22節約があまりできないので
40:24ザベボル加藤君
40:26加藤君と仲良くさせてもらっているんですけれども
40:30加藤君ってすごく節約家なんですね
40:33コーヒーも人におごってもらわないと飲まない
40:38節約って言うのそれ
40:41神社によく行くんですけれども
40:43加藤君はちょっと僕は行かないですと
40:45お再生の問題で
40:48自分の家の近くの神社にお再生は入れますけれども
40:51青木さんと一緒に行った初めての神社にはちょっと入れません
40:55本当に財布の紐が硬いんです
40:57極端だね
40:59加藤君と付き合うことによって
41:01こんな人いるんだって
41:07青木さんが生き方を変えているみたいな
41:11遊ぶ人を変えたりとかやることを変えたり
41:14これは非常に大切なことで
41:16またギャンブルを辞めようとしている人たち
41:20辞めている人たちを仲間に持つというのは非常に大切なこと
41:24同じような境遇の人と接すること
41:27そうですね
41:28非常グループという場所がいろんなところにありますから
41:31もう叩いてみるというのができると
41:33人生変えれるんじゃないか
41:38違法な野球賭博に手を出し
41:40相撲会を追放された高棟立
41:47その後人生をやり直そうと
41:49焼肉店を始めた
41:52もちろん周りの助けがあってのこと
41:56焼肉店オープンから14年
41:58今はどうしているのか
42:04店を訪ねるとそこには本人の姿が
42:18ほとんど毎日出ます
42:21中のやつはほとんど職人に任せて
42:25あと全部外でせっかく喋ったり
42:30そうしないと甘い誘惑には負けるからね
42:37仕事を入れて忙しくすることで
42:40ギャンブルができない生活を強いているという
42:46しかし
42:47これはやってはいます
42:49昔ほどはやってないです
42:52金がないから何とか収まっているような感じかな
42:57うさばらし程度で済むようになる
43:00そうですね
43:01趣味があればいいんだけどね
43:05完全に断ち切ることは難しいようだが
43:08何とか正義をできるようになっていた
43:12周りの人間の協力は必要だよね
43:16金貸した時点でアウトだ
43:18金貸さないで
43:20苦しませない
43:23周囲の支えもあり
43:25現在店は3店舗
43:28必死に頑張っている
43:32その一方でこんな思いも
43:3612歳から相撲が好きで入って
43:38ずっと相撲のことばっかり考えて
43:41どうやったら更新に相撲を教えて強くなるかとか
43:47毎日そんなことばっかり考えたから
43:49相撲教会に入れなかったっていうのは一番後悔したよね
43:56懸命に働きながら
43:58今もギャンブル依存症と戦い続けている
44:03僕はドラゴンに行ったしね
44:05ああそうですか
44:06今やってたからよかったなと思って
44:08ギャンブル屋さんね
44:11依存症ってアルコールとか薬物とかもそうだけども
44:17一回入っちゃうと戻れない
44:21いろんな軸を持っておくのも結構大事かと思います
44:24軸?
44:25そうですね
44:26好きなことをいくつでも持っておく
44:28例えばギャンブルと仕事だけではなくてですね
44:31娯楽のレパートリーをちょっと持った方がいいね
44:35もう二つではなくてってことなのか
44:37そうですね
44:38娯楽であったり自分が大事にしているものがいろいろ
44:42イエーイ!