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Bobby Manning and Noa Dalzell react to Kristaps Porzingis missing 5-6 months after undergoing left leg surgery this month and the Celtics picking Baylor Scheierman with the 30th overall pick in the draft. Boston picks 54th overall on Thursday in the second round.
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00:00Can you say hard hats folks? Hard hats, munch pails, steel-toed boots.
00:08Anything short of a championship this year is a failure.
00:10Look at this boomer right here.
00:12You've just got so much talent here.
00:15Somebody said we need to apologize for Jalen.
00:17Can I pull the John? What are we apologizing for? What did we say? What did we do?
00:21The playoff run.
00:30And I just really like the team chemistry that they have.
00:33You know, everybody plays a role.
00:35And, you know, they are really good at, you know, it's a team game and they understand that.
00:40And they're always deflecting credit to one another.
00:43And that's how it should be. The game of basketball is obviously a team game.
00:46And obviously they have tremendous players as well, which is why, you know, they were able to win the NBA championship.
00:52But the team chemistry is something that really stuck out to me.
00:55And I think that's something that, you know, I can come in and also just add to that as well.
00:59Kind of just being a connector and just being able to impact the game in any way I can to help them win.
01:06All right. Welcome to day two of the NBA draft.
01:10Bobby Manning here. Garden Report preview edition round two coming up around four o'clock.
01:15Just a little over an hour from now. The Celtics pick 54th tonight.
01:20But first, we're going to throw it back to the guy they pick 30th to end last night.
01:25Baylor Shireman talked for the first time just about an hour ago.
01:30Heard from him, heard about his workouts, his history with the Celtics and his impressions of the team and how he can fit in.
01:36Noah Delisle is here from Celtics blog. And I want to just ask you right away, what do you think of the pick?
01:42What do you think of Shireman? What you got to know and hear about him and learn a little bit more about him?
01:48Yeah, well, I'll start off with saying that I like the fact that they picked someone older.
01:53And I think that first and foremost, the priority is like filling the back end of the bench right now.
01:58And just, you know, there's a lot of uncertainty. You don't know who exactly is going to be back.
02:01You hope to have Sam Hauser here long term. You don't know if that's going to be possible.
02:05And so they picked someone who, from everything I've understood, he seems to be as NBA ready as it gets,
02:11rather than a Gordon Walsh type prospect that is more of a long term fit.
02:16And I like that because I think they have enough projects on the roster right now.
02:21And if he can come in and hit some threes and, you know, there's going to be a learning curve, obviously.
02:25But there's things that he's really strong at off the bat.
02:28And I think the adjustment period is going to be much less than,
02:31I guess, a lot of other people that they could have had in that spot.
02:34So I liked most everything about it.
02:36I think we talked a couple of days ago about whether they were going to get a big.
02:39And obviously, that's not the direction that they went here.
02:42And maybe that's where the 54th pick comes into play tonight.
02:46But I think from everything that I've heard about him, seen about him,
02:49he seems to be he seems to check a lot of the boxes for kind of the Missoula system.
02:53Yeah, I do think we put big at the top of the list.
02:56And that's not something we talked much about last night.
02:58Obviously, Kyle Filipowski was there from Duke.
03:01You maybe had a couple other big man options.
03:04Jonathan Mogbo.
03:05There were some guys there that you maybe could have gone with at that position.
03:09And of course, we have some news at the big man position today as well.
03:12Big news for the Celtics that we're going to get to pretty shortly here.
03:16So what do you think of them not going big here?
03:20I think you look to take the best player available.
03:22So that's why I like this pick,
03:24despite it maybe not being their biggest position of long term need.
03:27But that question at center certainly continues here.
03:31And Filipowski was there.
03:32Jason Tatum even chimed in a little bit on Twitter and was like,
03:35Hey, teams are going to regret not taking Filipowski.
03:39And it's like Boston just passed.
03:42I know he was one of the guys who called Charmin here.
03:44But that's obviously hearing from fans and just people who react to this pick.
03:51The only second guess there would be you had a big potentially there who could
03:55have slotted in and helped you pretty immediately to a position of perhaps
03:58greater need.
03:59Because I don't think Charmin is going to play a ton this year.
04:02Yeah, he's probably not going to.
04:03I mean, Brad said earlier in the week that it's going to be hard for any
04:06rookie to crack this rotation if healthy.
04:09But again, you know, he's insurance for playing, right?
04:12It's like, I think half of the roster last year didn't really play much,
04:15but was there in case, you know,
04:16you had the Seema Hylicks of the world in case you needed them and they
04:19never really needed them because they did stay pretty healthy last year.
04:22But I think the idea is, is that he's, he could,
04:25he is someone that could step up and contribute this season.
04:28Whereas I think Jordan Walsh, for example,
04:31wasn't I'm not particularly high in Filipowski.
04:34I think there's some challenges with his game and I don't know,
04:37I don't know that he would have been able to contribute this season to
04:40Boston, honestly, nor next one.
04:43But, you know, with the, with the big man spot, you know,
04:45there are so many factors right now that are, you know,
04:47we don't really know.
04:48We don't know what the deal is with Luke Cornette.
04:50We don't know if they're planning on bringing back Tillman.
04:52We don't know how they're going to use our next draft pick.
04:54If there's someone that they're looking to trade for. So I trust Brad.
04:58I think this has been a common sentiment among Celtics fans that I've heard
05:01from since the draft last night is that everybody, whether or not,
05:04you knew a lot about this guy, like you,
05:05you trust what Brad Stevens is doing and you trust the moves that he's
05:09making. And so I think that likely they're not putting themselves in a
05:12position where they're not going to have a big, a backup,
05:14big ready for next year.
05:15Obviously that's going to be a position of being,
05:17we'll talk more about that, but yeah, I was a little surprised.
05:19They didn't, they didn't particularly kind of hone in on that for this
05:22position, you know, with our 30th pick.
05:24And I was honestly surprised they kept the pick.
05:26I didn't think they were going to, and as the minutes were passing by,
05:28I thought maybe he's actually going to do it.
05:30And so it was still,
05:31it was a little surreal even to see the Celtics drafted number 30.
05:34Yeah. And I think that says a lot.
05:36You always hear teams say we got our guy.
05:38They said that last year with Walsh, right.
05:40And they traded back three times. So it was like,
05:42did you really get your guy? This feels like they got their guy.
05:46Stay in here, picking up, let's say what?
05:49Seven, eight,
05:50$9 million between the hit salary wise and tax that you're going to have to
05:54pay to have this guy on the roster.
05:56Who's probably not going to pay a ton.
05:57You obviously would add a fill the spot with a minimum anyway, but again,
06:00you could trade back into the second round,
06:02try to get a guy in a two way,
06:04try to maybe cut a half million or whatever off the money there
06:08potentially, but they stayed. Like you said, no,
06:11it was a bit of a surprise that they stayed.
06:13They'd never taken a first round pick under Brad and they got a guy who they
06:17had a connection to previously, which I didn't realize.
06:21This was a interesting story he told today on the call.
06:24For Boston. And then I also worked out for him this year,
06:29going through the process. And I really enjoyed both times.
06:32I worked out there, obviously, you know,
06:34meeting the organization and the staff.
06:36And I really enjoyed the workouts as well. And the city
06:40just thoroughly enjoyed my time there. And obviously, you know,
06:44I felt like I put a good step forward in those workouts and I'm just really
06:48excited to obviously, you know,
06:50have this opportunity in Boston and excited to get to work. You know,
06:54they really liked my game just my ability to, you know,
06:58kind of impact the game in different ways, whether that be shooting,
07:01passing, dribbling, or just my IQ. And, you know,
07:05they felt like I could get a little stronger, a little quicker,
07:08a little more explosive a couple of years ago. And, you know,
07:10that's kind of what I really tried to, you know, improve on, you know,
07:13these last two years at Creighton. And I feel like I did that,
07:17which kind of put me in the position to be where I am right now. Yeah.
07:20Yeah. Well, you know, two years ago, obviously I'm two years younger.
07:23And at the time coming out of South Dakota state,
07:26it's kind of a different level than what I was at,
07:29at these past two years at Creighton. And I think, you know,
07:32it kind of just opened my eyes that my first time working out kind of just
07:37what I needed to improve on and kind of what, you know,
07:40the NBA game was kind of all about. And then obviously these next,
07:43these last two years at Creighton kind of just really working on that and the
07:46ability to come in this year and kind of just prove that I have grown as a
07:49player and as a person.
07:51And I think that really helped me obviously throughout this process and then,
07:54and then they helped getting selected.
07:57So you have it, here's a guy Celtics had on their radar, 2022,
08:00which was the year they picked JD Davison, right?
08:03That probably would have been Brad's first draft.
08:05So the guy who stayed in school, guy who transferred levels,
08:09a guy who played five years in college and hole there.
08:11And that probably explains a lot about why he was there.
08:14Teams hate picking older guys. And this guy's almost 24.
08:17I think about it. Tatum's what? 26.
08:20And this guy's just two years younger,
08:22older than some guys on this roster already, probably,
08:26especially Walsh there. So that can go both ways, right?
08:31We saw Desmond Bain,
08:32another 30th overall pick come in a little bit older who stayed in college a
08:35little longer and still had a hugely impactful career right away.
08:39And for other guys, they just kind of stagnant.
08:41I guess what's impressive here with him is he did go back.
08:44He did get stronger. The speed numbers at the combine weren't horrible.
08:48I think they rank pretty well. In fact,
08:50I think he's three quarter court sprint was the same as brownies,
08:54believe it or not from the combine and, you know,
08:58good measurements in terms of his height and wingspan to here on the wing.
09:01So yes, just like Hauser, a guy whose role he might fit into.
09:05Eventually there's some defensive concerns here,
09:09but when you look at everything he can do offensively and the improvement year
09:12in and year out and going from that level at South Dakota state to create him,
09:17he looks like a guy that can work on his weaknesses and get used to the NBA
09:24level and eventually fit into this team.
09:26And what gives you the most hope is that the Celtics have done this with a
09:29couple of guys now.
09:31Yeah.
09:32And I think that's the main thing when evaluating this decision in general is
09:35that you just kind of trust their judgment and you trust that his deficiencies
09:39like potentially the defense and particularly if you're switching on to small
09:42guards or bigs, like, you know,
09:44it's obvious that there's going to be some challenges adjusting to the NBA.
09:47You know, you saw Sam Houser do it.
09:49You saw Peter Kreutzer do it.
09:50And I don't think that any of the Celtics would draft any player that they
09:55didn't feel like defensively could make the leap because I do think that they
09:59really don't play guys that are defensive liabilities at all.
10:02And so I, you know, we've seen that be time and again,
10:05a priority both in playing time and also who they're assigning,
10:07who they're bringing on. And so, you know,
10:10I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on his defensive film,
10:12but I do trust that the kind of where he needs to improve,
10:15that they have the belief and confidence that he'll be able to do that.
10:19Yep. And I'd imagine he'll spend some time in Maine,
10:23although there is some readiness to play right away. If there's rest,
10:26if there's injuries, I do think they have faith in him.
10:29Maybe that should be my high Luke role being like that reserve wing there in
10:34the mix. That's with the team sometimes just in case.
10:37So I don't think he's going to be in Maine all year, like Walsh.
10:40I know some people freaked out when I said that,
10:42but I will spend some time in Maine just to get the reps.
10:45If he's not playing much, go up there, work on the defense,
10:48get acclimated to the speed of the game, especially early on.
10:51And we'll see how he does in camp too. I think that'll tell a lot.
10:54And obviously these guys are excited to go at him with,
10:57with him in camp or for reaching out to him, Joe.
11:00So I've already heard from a handful of guys here, not in Boston yet.
11:05So we'll see what number he's wearing and all that and get him officially
11:09acclimated when he gets here. But he did talk for the first time today.
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12:36And the biggest news of the day before we get to 54 and some of the stuff that
12:40might happen today, Chris Dasporzingas underwent surgery.
12:45And Brad mentioned a couple of days ago on Ryan Rosillo's podcast that he could
12:52miss at least the start of the season.
12:54And even underplayed that a little bit,
12:57I think in terms of the time he's going to miss here five to six months.
13:00So we're talking Thanksgiving at the earliest and Christmas more likely here.
13:06December Christmas time for Porzingis to recover from the surgery.
13:10So not great. You knew the injury wasn't great when it happened.
13:14It didn't sound good.
13:15And it certainly almost knocked him out of the finals and he put himself all on
13:19the line to play in that last game because he needed this big of a surgery,
13:24this much recovery time to bounce back from that.
13:28So certainly some questions to start the year.
13:31You hope he's able to recover from this.
13:33Effectively,
13:34even after he comes back from this and play at the level he's capable of.
13:38But they had no choice here as it sounded from the Celtics release.
13:42This is a injury that required surgery.
13:44That's going to require this pretty hefty recovery time here.
13:48And you just hope he comes out the other side,
13:51able to play consistently and effectively.
13:54But for October, November, part of December,
13:57they're just going to have to figure this out.
14:00And they didn't really have to do that last year. No. Right.
14:03He missed three, four games, sometimes back to backs,
14:06but he didn't miss any period of time like this.
14:09I mean, except for the playoffs. Right.
14:11He missed the whole pretty much.
14:13And so to me,
14:15a,
14:16it was pretty striking that he played in game five and that he was looking
14:19to play in the finals and everything.
14:21I think looking at this recovery timeline and the more we hear about this
14:24injury, the more it's kind of remarkable that he was even able to contribute
14:27towards the end there.
14:28And I think that if we had known after game two,
14:31when he was talking about, you know, I'll die on the court, I'll be back.
14:34If we had known that this is an injury, that's a six month recovery period.
14:37I think everybody would have been pretty surprised.
14:39It wasn't at all what it's felt like at that time.
14:41Joe was, well, it's a zero concern, you know?
14:43So that's just one of my initial reactions.
14:45Just like how wild this is.
14:46We've come a long way from zero concern.
14:48And so that's the first, first reaction, I guess,
14:53there. And then on the rotational piece, a,
14:55I think it's fine because you have such a heads up and where the injuries
14:58really bite you is when it's the beginning of the season and you have a plan
15:01and now all of a sudden your top guys are out the whole year, right?
15:04Like they know now going into the off season that they're not going to
15:07happen for the first few months.
15:08If not longer.
15:09But again, I feel like a broken record.
15:11Cause I've said this a million times,
15:13but I think you have to build your roster and you have to build your
15:17roster as though he's not on it, honestly, like,
15:19that's just the nature of how, how many injuries he's had to deal with.
15:22And so this to me is just a reinforcement of that understanding that,
15:25you know, for a fact, he won't be there.
15:27First few months of the season.
15:28Will he be there in the playoffs? You certainly hope so.
15:30But I think that when you were thinking about the off season moves,
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16:31about this injury and how he's going to react to it.
16:34I was talking to Dr. Flynn a little bit early and I guess there's like a socket that they
16:38have to basically dig deeper into to get more stability in that area and then rebuild the
16:47muscle that he tore around it.
16:48So it does seem like a pretty invasive kind of procedure here in terms of what they need
16:54to do and how he recovers from it, how he looks when he gets back and how he reacts
16:58to it is going to be interesting.
16:59Like, does he need some ramp up time?
17:01Is there going to be some limitations and time off he needs to take?
17:04I know this release said he'll be back in game action five, six months in, but you never
17:08really know.
17:09Could go a little bit longer.
17:11Might need more time.
17:12That might be the time he's getting on the court and ramping up because obviously with
17:15a leg injury, he's not going to be able to do a ton of conditioning here as he recovers.
17:20So it's tough.
17:21It's brutal for him, I'm sure.
17:23He really fought to get back from it and now this is almost another setback here.
17:28So fortunately you have a handful of these months, three of them here as off-season time
17:35for him to just fully focus on recovering.
17:38And the Celtics in the meantime, as you mentioned though, are going to have to figure out life
17:41without him.
17:42Obviously it starts with Horford, who's here for one more year, nine million on the contract.
17:48Year by year with him, I'd imagine at this point in terms of how long he's going to play,
17:52but you definitely know he's here for this year, but you have to start to think about
17:56how you take the load off him and how you replace him and potentially poor Zingas eventually here.
18:04So they don't have a lot of resources to do it, to go back to the draft conversation.
18:08Might've been smart to take a guy who could've started working toward being in that spot.
18:12I know it's tough to do from 30, but you might've had to start to look at that a little bit
18:16here, especially because your three backup options or three out of the four in the front
18:21court are free agents here.
18:23And that's where I'm really stuck.
18:24What does Luke Cornett want this summer?
18:26He's obviously the most reliable, at least a year ago out of the guys who backed poor
18:31Zingas and Horford up.
18:32Does he want money?
18:33He's never really gotten a big payday.
18:35Is there a backup full mid-level eight, nine, $10 million a year contract out there for him?
18:40Tillman, same deal.
18:42He wasn't quite the backup last year, but gave some key playoff contributions when you
18:48called on him.
18:49The defense is excellent.
18:50The offense is a real question there.
18:52How much is he asking for?
18:54And then, of course, Cade is back, and he's the most affordable of them all by far, but
18:58he's the biggest question mark out of all of them here.
19:00And then O'Shea Brissette's lurking, too, who they can't really pay a ton more than
19:05they were going to give him on that player option.
19:08Does he want to go out and get more money, more playing time?
19:11I know there's some buzz out there that he wants to be back with this team, but is the
19:16opportunity right?
19:17Is the money right?
19:18I mean, he opted out for a reason, so I do think there's a possibility that he could
19:22be moving on here.
19:23So the great thing you had last year, though, is options, right?
19:29O'Shea was reliable.
19:30He brought a certain skill set.
19:32X was reliable, brought a certain skill set.
19:35Luke could play great in certain matchups and couldn't play at all in other matchups.
19:39And so if you're losing one or two of those guys, it's a little bit harder to kind of
19:44have a guy who's more consistently backing up Orford with Porzingis out.
19:48So this is going to be tough for them to manage this summer.
19:52Yeah, definitely.
19:53And I think it's the biggest question mark when you're looking at next year's roster.
19:57Obviously, everybody's concerned about the Derek White extension.
20:00That's going to be looming, and that's going to be kind of front of mind for folks.
20:03But I think the center position and what the depth looks like there is likely going to
20:08be the biggest point of emphasis for Brad also, because you don't have returners there,
20:13right?
20:14I really don't know who they're going to bring back here.
20:16And to your point, I really don't know how Luke Cornett and Xavier Tillman are perceived
20:20in the market.
20:22That's where I'm stuck.
20:23Yeah.
20:24Like, is Luke Cornett going to get a three-year, $27 million offer?
20:29I don't think so, but maybe he does.
20:33He has such a unique role on this team that it's hard to think about how this would be
20:38manifested in another organization, how they're perceiving the fact that, obviously, he was
20:42on Boston, he was contributing, they relied on him, they trusted him for minutes, but
20:47he never had to step beyond his role, right?
20:49So it's not quite clear what he's capable of.
20:52He knows that he can kind of shoot, but he didn't shoot at all in Boston.
20:54So he's just an interesting case.
20:56So I just don't know what he's going to see out there.
20:58And I think he would like to be back.
21:00It seems like he's a guy that they would like to keep with the organization for the continuity,
21:04for everything else.
21:05Who would you prioritize?
21:09Over Tillman or Luke?
21:10Tillman, Luke, O'Shea, that whole group there.
21:14Well, it's a tough one.
21:18I guess you keep...
21:21I'm kind of torn between Luke and Tillman.
21:25I do think Keita is going to be a big part of them moving forward.
21:28Just the fact that they signed him to a multi-year deal, I really liked what I saw from this
21:31year.
21:32Obviously, there was room for him to grow and kind of get more comfortable, and defensively,
21:35he made some mistakes.
21:36But I think I really liked what we saw from him, and I loved seeing him in Maine.
21:40He just seemed like a NBA-ready player every time I watched him.
21:44And then also, the fact is, is that Brad brought his name up on his own accord the
21:48other day.
21:49He brought up him, Jordan Walsh, Jaden Springer as guys who are going to be thinking about
21:53how to ramp up their minutes and things.
21:54So he's somebody else that I think is in the mix, but probably you prioritize bringing
21:59back Luke, just because I think when, besides for the finals, he was really who they turned
22:03to whenever they needed somebody.
22:05Yeah, and that's where I lean to, because it wasn't the smoothest transition for Tillman.
22:11He didn't play a ton.
22:12It didn't seem like he totally had Joe's trust, which you understand, because he was
22:16coming in midseason, he was hurt, didn't have much time to acclimate to what they were doing.
22:21The shot never really got there, despite the famous finals one that we'll always remember.
22:26So there's questions there.
22:27I think there's more questions with him, especially health-wise, than there is Luke, although
22:32Luke can't fit into every matchup.
22:35So you're going to have to have some sort of four or five hybrid kind of guy who can
22:40allow you to play a little smaller at that point.
22:43If it's Luke and O'Shea, I guess that works, because you do have Keita here.
22:48And that's the big, big question, right?
22:50Is Keita a real factor here going forward?
22:53Because he showed those spurts last year, he didn't get to play a ton, he's on a one-year
22:58team option.
22:59If they rework that a little bit and give him like two, three years, that would say
23:03a lot about how much they believe in him and how big of a part he's going to be going forward
23:07of this whole thing.
23:09And the skill set with him, offensive rebounding, drop coverage, it's a little similar to Luke
23:13with more physicality, obviously, there.
23:17And can he develop skills beyond what he has right now?
23:20I think he's a great third option, fourth option when everyone's healthy for now.
23:25But does he continue to grow into something there?
23:26I think you certainly keep him next year.
23:29But that's another question as you start to throw everything together and consider everything
23:34here.
23:35If someone would take the minimum, that would help a ton.
23:39But I look at Luke, I just can't assume Luke's going to take a minimum again.
23:42X, he has that elite, elite skill set when it comes to switching and defense.
23:47Someone's going to value that, at least more than the minimum.
23:50And then you look at O'Shea, who hasn't really had a payday in the pros either.
23:53Maybe he takes it just to be part of this whole thing again, and there's nothing else
23:57out there.
23:58And maybe you try again in a year, maybe you have a bigger role next year if Tillman's
24:02not coming back.
24:04So it's tough to predict, right?
24:07And a lot of it's just going to come down to what those guys get on the open market
24:10there.
24:11But I think you need to bring one of these guys back.
24:13And then you need to ask yourself, how much can Kada play?
24:16And I don't know, how high are you on Kada going into next year?
24:20I'm pretty high on him.
24:21I know that he's raw, but I also think that he has all the tools needed to succeed as
24:27an NBA center.
24:28And so it was just a question of developing him.
24:31And I do think that they've already kind of signaled that they want to develop him.
24:36I also think that he can shoot.
24:37Obviously he hasn't shot quite a whole lot, but just watching him shoot every single day
24:41before games, he has a fundamentally very sound shot, and he shoots at a high clip just
24:47shooting around.
24:48Obviously there's an enormous jump to go from shooting around to being a three-point shooter
24:53in games.
24:54But I don't think that he's a guy that is not going to have that be part of his offensive
24:58skill set down the road.
25:00And then as far as you're thinking about the minimum, O'Shea's the one that I think is
25:03the most replaceable of those three.
25:06I really like him.
25:07I love what he brought to the team.
25:08I think he has a great energy about him.
25:09It's clear he's a good locker room guy.
25:11I always thought he did well in the minutes that he got.
25:14But I think he plays a role where I see, I see a world where Jordan Walsh plays that
25:17role.
25:18You know, like I think that there's a clear pathway forward to replacing someone like
25:21him more so than Luke Cornett, which I think ended up developing a skill set that's a little
25:25bit more difficult to find.
25:26So I don't know.
25:28There's so much uncertainty.
25:29We'll probably get some clarity in the next couple of weeks here, at least on some of
25:32these guys.
25:34Likely the team has some insight on what people's individual demands are and where their heads
25:38are at.
25:39It's possible that one of these guys already is kind of out the door and we don't even
25:41really realize.
25:42Right.
25:43So we'll get more clarity in the future.
25:46But that's why I thought that maybe we would see a big prioritize in the first round, just
25:50because there are so many question marks with this group, plus the Porzingis injury and
25:53just Porzingis in general.
25:55And then again, Al's going to be 39 by next year's playoffs.
25:58Right.
25:59And so you have to kind of factor that in as well.
26:01Yeah.
26:02And this is interesting, too.
26:03B-Rod reporting that the Celtics are going to aim to extend White and Hauser this summer.
26:08I think that's all good and worthwhile pursuing.
26:13Do they actually get it done?
26:15That's another question here, because again, when does the money become an issue with this
26:19team or not an issue, but just a limitation?
26:22The tax is going to grow enormous in 2026.
26:24I guess you can extend, guys, and figure out what you're doing with them later.
26:28And that might be what they do with these guys here.
26:30And as we discussed last night, White capped at 127.
26:34If you're White and you're looking at OG, get 212.
26:37What do you think in there?
26:39And that is something Jimmy brought up last night that I think is valid.
26:43There's some serious money out there in free agency that I think you at least have to look
26:47at if you're him.
26:48But how important is it just locking up some money now?
26:52And how important is it to stay with this team?
26:55I think those are questions you got to ask with him.
26:57And Hauser is surprising here, because you think there's a line on this roster, right?
27:02You got your big five, big six, beyond that, can you pay other guys even a little bit of
27:09money?
27:10I know Keith Smith was tossed around 8, 9, 10 million as an offer to Hauser potentially
27:14here in extension talks.
27:16That even feels a little rich to me there.
27:18And I know he's certainly a guy who can go out there next summer and get a lot of money
27:22for his break throughout the option that you can make him a restricted free agency this
27:25summer.
27:26I don't even risk that, because I think you just want him at that 2 million this year
27:29and figure it out from there.
27:31So this is another thing here as we start to think about Luke and X and all these guys.
27:35Are they just going to try to give everybody a little something here?
27:39Because White at 127 you can live with.
27:41I guess Hauser at like 8, 9 you can live with.
27:46And let's say the little bump for Luke and Tillman is like 3, 4, 5 million.
27:52If you're going to eat tax, if you're gross back, I guess you can just keep everybody
27:55here.
27:56But I'll believe it when I see it.
27:57You're going to have to pick and choose a little bit here, I think.
27:59Yeah.
28:00I was surprised by the reports that they're prioritizing extending Stan Hauser.
28:04I didn't think that that was really possible, honestly.
28:06I kind of just assumed that this was one of those guys that you're going to have to part
28:11ways with at some point.
28:14And I do think that there's a model that he follows, or there's other people that are
28:18going to have to...
28:19That you can find for that role.
28:22Like potentially who they drafted right now.
28:25But Sam Hauser is proven now, and that's really hard to replace.
28:28He has shown that he can defend in the NBA Finals.
28:31He's shown that you can't really take advantage of him the way that you might be able to other
28:35limited shooters.
28:37So there's not really question marks around him anymore.
28:39And so there are some, but for the most part, he's a proven NBA player that you can trust
28:44to be in the playoffs and in big moments.
28:46And so the value of that's really high.
28:48But the problem is, I think that's everyone in the league knows that now.
28:52I still think that at the same time, that he's not going to be around.
28:55He's not going to be...
28:56I don't think they're going to be able to extend him long term.
28:58But I would love to see him because I think that he...
29:01Also the whole story of how they kind of...
29:03He's been here from the beginning.
29:04He was the main guy.
29:05I love the idea of keeping as many of those guys around as you can.
29:09But I would be surprised if they're actually able to get it done the way that right now
29:12it's, I guess, being discussed.
29:14Yeah.
29:15And it's a balance.
29:16You obviously fall in love with these guys who helped you get a championship here.
29:19But is it worth doubling, tripling their salary potentially here?
29:24Because you expect more from them at that point, at least based on the returns.
29:28And how many of these guys are capable and more?
29:31I mean, Hauser's been great.
29:32He's grown.
29:33An 8, 9, 10, again, million isn't bad for him.
29:36That would probably actually be bargain money as the cap continues to rise here.
29:40But is he going to accept that?
29:41These guys obsessed with staying with Boston to the point where they're going to pass a
29:45free agency.
29:46That's a question too here.
29:48So we'll see how all that plays out.
29:49It's going to play out soon.
29:50The Hauser team option deadline is the 29th, which is just two days from now.
29:56The Cata option deadline is the 29th as well, so Saturday.
30:01And I think that's it for the team options.
30:03Just Hauser and Cata, I want to say.
30:05So we'll see how those shake out.
30:07White, I'm sure they'll start those talks sooner rather than later.
30:11And we'll see what happens with those guys.
30:12As for tonight, 54th pick, well, real quick, I want to shout out game time.
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30:56So a lot going on.
30:58And we might get a light breather, Noah, after tonight with the draft ending, but that's
31:02free agency on Sunday.
31:04So we're staying busy as well tonight.
31:0754th pick.
31:09Right in front of Lakers.
31:10Do you look at Brawny?
31:12Do you try to pull a fast one in front of LA?
31:15I'm not as focused on that.
31:17I think this is where you try to get that developmental big and look at what he's going
31:21to try to do.
31:22I mean, look at what the team's going to try to do and, you know, get a guy just on a two-way
31:27deal probably is what you're looking at in this range.
31:31And again, you're not expecting a ton at 54th overall in the draft.
31:36There's almost no chance that whoever they pick here is ever going to play for the team.
31:41But there's some flyers here.
31:43We'll see who follows them.
31:45It's not going to be a Filipowski type, I'd imagine.
31:47It's not going to be any of the guys we kicked around, even Mogbo.
31:50So this is just a flyer, right?
31:52This might even be a draft and stash kind of pick.
31:55Yeah, I think you're right.
31:56I think that's what you're looking at.
31:57But also recognizing it's unusual to get someone at that point in the draft that is going to
32:02ever be impactful.
32:03But also, you know, they've struck some of, you know, some of those picks have struck
32:06over the years.
32:07Right.
32:08So that's what's so funny.
32:09I was looking at like the top 30, you know, the 30 that were drafted last night, and you
32:12know that in three years, we'll look at this list and it'll have so much more meaning of
32:15like who the busts were, who ended up being a complete steal.
32:18And it's just at this point, we just it's so so much of it is just speculation.
32:22But yeah, I do think they're going to take a big I would be, I think.
32:25But like I said, I feel like every time I think something's going to happen in the draft,
32:28something else happens.
32:29It's funny to have watched the chat.
32:30I feel like it's all been about Ronnie.
32:32And it's like a lot of the discourse right now heading into the second round is about
32:35him.
32:36I don't think the Celtics will draft him.
32:38I feel like it'll be a weird play.
32:40But I don't really understand like the brawny politics and how teams are viewing it.
32:44If they're trying to get LeBron, I feel like I thought that whole thing ended with LeBron.
32:48So what is your thought on the whole brawny thing?
32:51I mean, I'm just confused by it because I don't think that it's it used to feel like
32:54if you draft brawny, you'll get LeBron eventually because they want to play together.
32:58But I feel like that's been dispelled at this point where both of them have kind of stated
33:01that that's not a priority anymore.
33:02So I think you just have to look at brawny the prospect and brawny the prospect probably
33:06shouldn't be drafted.
33:07Right.
33:08Just based off of like what he's done so far to this point.
33:10So I don't know.
33:12I think it's kind of weird.
33:13But it will be kind of funny if the Lakers are trying to draft him at 55 and the Celtics
33:17at 54.
33:18And it's a funny storyline, but I don't really Yeah, I don't know.
33:23Yeah, it's a name, right?
33:25And there's no names in this range.
33:27So it's the only guy you can bring up and talk about that generates any intrigue.
33:33Is there potential here?
33:35I guess because right, he's 19 he's he's got, you know, LeBron's genes and like, there's
33:44certainly some flashes in high school there.
33:46So is this guy any worse of a pick than any other flyer at the spot who has next to no
33:51chance of making the league?
33:53Probably, right?
33:55Like, he's probably a little bit worse of a pick than going with like, a big man from
34:01overseas or, you know, some of these guys who've been in college for a little bit who
34:04have been developing and are late risers like Tristan Newton, like you could use a
34:09little bit of a depth point guard if JD Davison is going to go, got to come in and develop
34:14a little bit on the back burner, who knows what happens in that backcourt now or in the
34:18future.
34:19So like, that's a good fire to take.
34:20I don't think Bronny has great point guard skills, or even the potential for great point
34:25guard skills at that spot.
34:26If you're looking for size at six one, he certainly doesn't bring that.
34:32You know, IQ, like a guy like Ozzo Aguadaro out of Marquette is just really blooming as
34:37this really bright guy who can break the game down.
34:40And there's a skill set and size there too at six, nine and a half.
34:44So like, I'd want that guy at 54, Jalen Bridges is a ready made three and D guy, Trent Flowers
34:50is a young guy who played in Australia last year and, you know, KOC ran that there's some
34:55shades of Kelly Oubre there with the shot making.
34:58So like, you just go up and down this list again.
35:00Half these guys, maybe all these guys I'm mentioning right here, probably aren't going
35:03to make it.
35:04But I don't think Bronny is either.
35:07Yeah, you're probably right.
35:08And I think that's why there's been so much hype around him.
35:11It's just people, people are excited by the familiarity and he's someone that's been on
35:15it besides for just being LeBron's son.
35:17I mean, that's why he was but you know, everybody has been following his career for a couple
35:21years now.
35:22And you just can't say the same for these other guys.
35:23And so yeah, I'm curious to see what will happen.
35:26I have a feeling the person's politics will drop to someone that people don't know very
35:29little about.
35:30It's probably not in the name that's on anyone's radar right now.
35:32Or maybe they traded away and they don't draft anybody tonight.
35:34Who knows?
35:35This is true too.
35:36Yeah, I don't think everything passes down.
35:43So I don't know.
35:45It seems like a little bit of a distraction too, right?
35:47Like if he's up in Maine all year, is it like, Oh, Bronny needs to come down and be with
35:51the team.
35:52Like, I don't want to just deal with that whole thing there.
35:54And again, it's tough, right?
35:55Because Bronny should be able to forge his own basketball career and grow and take his
36:01time and be his own person, right?
36:04He shouldn't even be compared to LeBron James in any manner whatsoever, because he's not
36:09LeBron James.
36:10But that whole thing is going to follow him.
36:13Do they need to play together?
36:15That whole thing is going to follow him.
36:17I still think that was probably a little bit of a mistake by LeBron putting that expectation
36:20out there.
36:22But on the bright side, it looks like he's going to go to the Lakers.
36:26It looks like he's going to get an opportunity in part because of his dad's.
36:30And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
36:32I think that could actually help him.
36:34The fact that he's just able to get his foot in the door and start developing behind the
36:37scenes there, but it shouldn't be in Boston.
36:39I don't think there's any good argument for it.
36:41So we'll see who it is.
36:42Enrique Freeman's another name I'd throw out there, a really late bloomer out of Akron,
36:47another big man prospect.
36:48So who knows?
36:50Who knows if the Celtics even pick here?
36:52I know Brad did say the other day that they're looking at a couple guys at this spot or a
36:56couple guys in this draft.
36:58So do they come out of the draft with two guys tonight?
37:01We will see.
37:02The draft starts at four.
37:03We are headed to the Auerbach Center now to go just follow along with the draft.
37:09We'll react live on the air as the Celtics are picking.
37:12And then we'll hear from Brad Stevens right after that because the draft will be over
37:15pretty quickly after the Celtics pick here tonight.
37:18Again, 4 p.m. is the start of this draft.
37:20I'd say the Celtics probably pick around 6-ish, 5.30, 6.
37:25So we'll be live as that is imminent.
37:27If they trade up, we'll go live then.
37:30And again, we'll be doing it from the Auerbach Center.
37:32So thanks to Noah for stopping by here, previewing a little bit, a lot going on in the Celtics
37:35world.
37:36It's only going to heat up into this weekend.
37:38You can check out her work at Celticsblog.
37:41And we will see you later this afternoon in Brighton.
37:44Thanks, Noah.
37:45Bye.
37:46Thank you.
37:48Thank you.