On this episode of the Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast, Bob, Jeff, and Gary Tanguay discuss all the biggest stories around the NBA. After the Celtics choke in OKC, are the Thunder the new favorites to win it all? What about Cleveland? Plus, a look at what could have been in the career of Derrick Rose, and the guys give their thoughts on the Patriots firing head coach Jerod Mayo. All that, and much more!
0:00 - Celtics' embarrassing loss
6:00 - Thunder's statement win
11:10 - Wakeup call for champs
19:26 - Timberwolves' struggles
26:30 - Derrick Rose's career
44:20 - African-American coaching issues
48:01 - Panic move by Patriots
49:53 - Future coaching prospects
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0:00 - Celtics' embarrassing loss
6:00 - Thunder's statement win
11:10 - Wakeup call for champs
19:26 - Timberwolves' struggles
26:30 - Derrick Rose's career
44:20 - African-American coaching issues
48:01 - Panic move by Patriots
49:53 - Future coaching prospects
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00:33We got some problems.
00:34And I know that I'm the alarmist in the group, but I am still pissed off.
00:38You think?
00:39It was embarrassing, Jeff.
00:40That game, we're talking about the OC game, OKC game, Bob's got some numbers.
00:45But Jeff, I'll start with you.
00:46I mean, I was watching that game and I go third quarter is obviously the big test, but
00:49they just folded.
00:50I mean, they just folded like a bad folding chair at a concert.
00:57I mean, it was terrible.
00:58Yeah, I mean, Oklahoma City turned it up defensively and the Celtics looked like they were rattled
01:05almost.
01:06Right.
01:07You know, I thought that was the biggest thing is like, I mean, they held them.
01:10How many points?
01:11Celtics are like twenty five points in the second half or something to be precise.
01:15Yeah.
01:16I mean, they got all the numbers.
01:18Well, listen, again, I think the biggest thing we take out of this Oklahoma City is young.
01:27Talented and hungry, and they are hungry.
01:30Like I know that group well enough.
01:33I know those guys individually well enough to like Lou Dort.
01:37I said this kid was going to be a star.
01:38I saw him the first I think it might have been the first game he played in Vegas for
01:45Arizona State.
01:46And I'm like, this kid is a killer.
01:48Now, his shot has never looked great, but he just plays so damn hard and accepts like
01:56I'm going to have to be an elite defender and he hasn't changed.
01:59And I think that's one of the things that sometimes the Celtics get away from.
02:03Right.
02:04Like all these guys are capable, more than capable defenders.
02:07In fact, all of them.
02:09Other than Porzingis can be elite defenders.
02:11We've seen it with Derek White and Drew Holiday.
02:13Jalen Brown's been there before.
02:15He can do it.
02:16Tatum, he's shown the ability to be a really, really good defender.
02:19But like Oklahoma City, they do it and they got that chip on their shoulder.
02:24And Che Alexander is, boy, I don't know how many players you're taking over him in the
02:31NBA right now.
02:32I don't know how many because again, the difference is when you've got a point guard like that.
02:38You put the ball in his hands.
02:40It's different than Jason Tatum.
02:43It's just different.
02:44It looks different because you can't pressure this kid.
02:47You can't rattle him.
02:48He can do everything on the court.
02:51And I think that's such an advantage to have when your point guard is your best player.
02:55And Oklahoma City, man, give him credit because I never, especially without Chad Holmgren,
03:00guys like that's, they're without Chad.
03:03Right.
03:04Ready to interject that this is the most sobering thing about this for the rest of the NBA to
03:10contemplate is that they are doing what they are doing without an important piece of their
03:15puzzle.
03:16Who will return on what we're told?
03:19He will return.
03:21So Jack going down the road when the games matter, he should be there and he's a rim
03:30protector of the highest order.
03:34And so they can be even better.
03:38This was, I feel like this is an analogy to a famous movie.
03:43This is a morning after day.
03:45This is a day you wake up, my God, I mean, we're lucky to be alive day.
03:51I mean, you are in my Bob, you are because you avoided the snowstorm.
03:58So you are lucky to be alive right now.
04:00That's true.
04:01And my first of all, I was lucky to not to see the game because we were at the theater
04:05yesterday at Hartford, Connecticut, to see six, which is tremendous, by the way, I highly
04:09recommend it.
04:10Six.
04:11All right.
04:12So Bob made the right move because going to see six was a hell of a lot better than watching
04:16this shit show.
04:17Now, you made an allusion to the twenty seven point second half and the nine for forty six
04:22three point, which, by the way, means that they were twenty two for thirty nine, fifty
04:27six percent on twos.
04:28Don't get me started on that.
04:30OK, here's just go on second half eight for forty shooting overall three for twenty four
04:39and threes with ten turnovers.
04:42And Gary Washburn pointed out and the Globe today.
04:46Very interestingly, the Celtics were only they out of eleven turnovers that they forced
04:54only got three points.
04:55What were they doing?
04:57They weren't in transition.
04:58OK.
04:59See, meanwhile, 17 turnovers, 10 points.
05:02OK.
05:03And when we're brown, white holiday, Hauser and even my guy and you know who that is,
05:09pressure pressure combined over 19 in the second half on threes.
05:13I mean, that's hard to do.
05:17Joe Mazzola.
05:18What point?
05:19Yeah.
05:20At what point, Bob?
05:21At what point?
05:22If you're Joe Mazzola, do you say enough is enough?
05:25This is not our day shooting the ball from three.
05:28Let's alter like adjustments sometimes adjustments.
05:32I've never heard that out of him.
05:34And what we did here is a technical explanation about spacing.
05:38We didn't space well.
05:39And it was echoed by some of the players.
05:41All right.
05:42All right.
05:43All right.
05:44All right.
05:45But but anyway, this and Gary's talked about the the application of the and how they they
05:51outfought the Celtics and everything else.
05:53But that I mean, they were up 10 at the half, ladies and gentlemen, they were up 10 at the
05:57half anyway.
05:58And then they had this abysmal second half capped off with a 20, 29, 12 fourth quarter.
06:04How's that?
06:05Ladies and gentlemen.
06:06I may interject something, Bob, on the threes, and I can't remember, Jeff, what we talked
06:09about in our last podcast with you or with Bob.
06:12But NBA dot com, I think maybe both, but NBA dot com had that stat about the quality of
06:18threes that the Celts are taking off the dribble versus off the catch.
06:21Now, I don't need to look at stats and neither do you.
06:24But if you looked at the type of three that they were taking from the first half to the
06:27second half, completely different, completely different in the first half.
06:31It was.
06:33My God, at one point, they had only taken 13 threes.
06:36It was inside out.
06:37They went to Porzingis inside the paint.
06:40That's how they got the 10 point lead to the basket.
06:44And all they had to do was keep going to the basket.
06:47And then they went when the Thunder made a run in the third, which you knew they were
06:51going to do.
06:54They completely fell apart, I mean, just completely fell apart and started taking bad threes and
07:02started forcing things.
07:04It was embarrassing.
07:05Yeah, I mean, it wasn't pretty and I thought, you know, Thunder and this is what you probably
07:11need to do with the Celtics.
07:12You need to have the personnel to be able to do it, but they have it where you can switch
07:15everything on the side.
07:18Like you have to play that way, because if you don't, you're going to be exposed at some
07:22point.
07:23They're going to get more open looks than they got last night.
07:26But listen, yeah, this was a little bit of a statement for Oklahoma City more than anything.
07:32You know, it's one of those like, hey, no matter what your record is, right, are we
07:36really taking you seriously until we see you guys on the court and what you do against
07:42us?
07:43And again, without Chet and without Caruso, by the way, who's an elite defender, yes,
07:47they're two best, probably defensive players or two most important in a way.
07:53They still won this game now.
07:56You know, let's get to that, but I want to I want to focus on OKC and Cleveland coming
08:00up next.
08:01But let's just stick to the Celtics for right now.
08:03And I want to throw this out, Bob, I'll start with you, because we we talked about the game.
08:07We know where they screwed up.
08:09This team right now, are we at the point in the NBA, Bob, where guys are just comfortable
08:17to win one?
08:18I don't know.
08:19They said all the right things to us before the season started and, you know, about recognizing
08:24that it's a new page out of the calendar.
08:27And we also know secondarily that they, secondly, that they are aware of their place in Celtic
08:34history and want to kind of their own notch and want to realize that to be considered,
08:38you know, the way they'd like to be considered, they got to win a second one at least, minimum.
08:43They said all this.
08:45We wanted to believe them and they got off to a very good start.
08:49But now they're hitting a bump in the road.
08:53This is where Joe's got to rally them and pull them together as well.
08:57And the leaders, the two leaders, that's Tatum and Brown, got to pull themselves together.
09:02I'm happy, by the way, that the next game up is a tough game.
09:05I'm glad they're not going to be playing the Wizards or the Toronto Raptors again and themselves
09:10think that they're better than they really are because they're going to Denver.
09:15And we're going to find out Tuesday night about how they're reacting to this.
09:20We want to see how they come out of the gate and how they play.
09:24But to answer your question, I don't want to go there.
09:30You know, I don't want to think that that's the way that they think.
09:32I think just the opposite.
09:33I think that these guys have told us and that they're aware that a second one is important
09:40for their Celtic legacy.
09:41You know, we've got two things going on.
09:43We got the, you know, just their general careers in the history and the NBA.
09:47And then we have, in fact, they know they're part of a special organization.
09:50They know that this is one, you know, the one of the two or three, well, the two, but
09:53the Celtics and the Lakers are the royalty, the historic royalty, garnering a way disproportionate
10:00percentage of the championships that this league has offered.
10:03There's nobody else even in third, who I don't even know is in third place, you know what
10:07I'm saying?
10:08And it's the Celtics and the Lakers, and they know they're part of that.
10:10So, you know, and they had told us that they were very aware of it and proud of it.
10:14So, you know, it's all on the line now, boys.
10:16Which I think they are.
10:18Listen, again, obviously you want to win a second because you know a second further
10:24validates you, but they've been validated by winning that first and it takes a huge
10:30load off of them, right?
10:32Like they walk around now with a totally different feeling than the way people treat them, right?
10:38You're champions.
10:39You're champions.
10:40So it's like a little bit easier to kind of, you know, pull back and say, like, like a
10:45year ago, every game mattered to them, I think, because they understood the importance
10:52of getting better and winning the whole thing.
10:55But the process now, like it's just different.
10:59It's human nature.
11:00They're going to flip it.
11:01They're going to try to flip it a little bit.
11:03But I think this could have been a wake up call.
11:05I really do.
11:06I think it would have been a wake up call.
11:08I'd like to think so.
11:10And fortunately, we don't have too long to wait.
11:12We got one more day to wait to find out how they're going to react to this.
11:15By the way, just to go back to Oklahoma City one second, but it fits into what we're talking
11:21about and their role in this year.
11:24This was a circle the date on the calendar game from Oklahoma City.
11:27No doubt.
11:28It was that clear that when the season started, they knew that January 5th was the date that
11:32they were looking forward to, to play in that game.
11:37And now March 12th, and now March 12th will be circled because that's when they come
11:42to mind.
11:43Yeah.
11:44And Bob pointed out too, from the beginning, Bob was very assumed when the Celtics first
11:47started to sputter, he talked about the defense.
11:49It's still too many easy shots for Oklahoma City in the fourth quarter.
11:52No doubt about that.
11:53But Jeff, this is where my head's at right now, is I'm wondering if the champs, the defending
11:59champs, if their knees are shaking a little bit.
12:02Because what I saw in the game last night wasn't necessarily a team giving up.
12:07I saw a team that kind of lost confidence in the second half.
12:11Okay, so can this Celtic team take a punch, being the defending champ?
12:18I mean, I still think they're going to go back to, well, if we had made those shots.
12:23Right?
12:24If we had made those shots, we wouldn't have won.
12:25But they were good shots.
12:26Which I don't love that philosophy, and the more you watch him, the more you, again, Jalen
12:32Brown didn't score in the second half.
12:37I keep going back to, and Bob beats on this drum over and over, it's just too many threes.
12:44Yes, take the right threes.
12:47I have no problem with you taking, if you're going to take 40 threes, just make sure they're
12:53the right threes, rather than, again, I feel like some of these are Marcus Smart-esque
12:59threes.
13:00Say no more.
13:01You know what I mean?
13:02We know what that means.
13:03We know what that means.
13:04Say no more.
13:05Yeah, that's exactly right.
13:07And I forgave him his excesses because I, you know, I-
13:12He guarded.
13:13Because he guarded.
13:14He had to take the whole package.
13:15We learned that you had to take the whole package.
13:17It's Lou Dort.
13:18Listen, it's Lou Dort, to some extent, guys.
13:20That's who Marcus Smart is, but-
13:22Yeah, I can see that reference easy with Lou Dort.
13:25But he caught my eye.
13:26But I want to say, he caught my eye, too, at Arizona State.
13:30He's awesome.
13:32Because he hasn't changed.
13:34He still understands, even getting paid, which I don't remember when he got paid a few years
13:38ago, but a lot of guys, once they get paid, they're like, all right, now I'm going to
13:42change.
13:43I'm going to get-
13:44I mean, Jalen Brown did it, right?
13:45Jalen Brown was an elite defender when he was younger, and then he got away from that,
13:49and it was more, well, offense is going to get me paid.
13:51Lou Dort's never really gotten away from what makes him special, and what keeps him in the
13:55league, and what keeps him playing starter's minutes, even though he's not a great shooter.
14:00Bob, do you have some numbers to share with us?
14:03Well, no, I gave you the numbers in that game from yesterday, so no, no new update on my-
14:10I'll do that another time.
14:12I got a number.
14:13I got a number.
14:15It's the fifth season for Mark Gagnon.
14:18What a job this dude has done.
14:2139 years old, from Lemonster, Massachusetts.
14:25When he was hired, so he was hired by the G League.
14:29When I first met him, he was Billy Donovan's manager.
14:33I don't even know what he was, what the terminology was, but I went down there to speak at one
14:38of Larry Schayett's camps or something.
14:41It was like they get a bunch of coaches together, and Dagnon was on staff then.
14:48He was at Holy Cross for a minute.
14:51Sam Presti, when Billy Donovan left or didn't have the greatest parting of ways, Presti,
14:58who also went to Emerson, local guy, he fired Billy Donovan.
15:04So he brings in Mark Dagnon.
15:06I'm like, really?
15:07Come on.
15:08You're bringing in this dude who's coached the G League team, who's really got no credentials
15:12to be the head coach at Oklahoma City, but I know why you're bringing him on.
15:16You're bringing him on because you want somebody you can control.
15:19Really, that's what I felt like with Presti.
15:22That's why you're doing it.
15:23You want a yes man here.
15:25They've compiled all these picks, and I'm like, this isn't going to work again.
15:30People aren't going to have the patience for this.
15:33But man, they got fortunate with Schay, obviously, with the trade, and then they've drafted Jalen
15:41Williams, who has been awesome, out of Santa Clara.
15:45Nobody saw this coming.
15:46Nobody.
15:47Nobody saw this coming with Schay, and they got fortunate with Chet.
15:52Let's face it, Chet kind of fell in their laps here, and they've done a great job around
15:59it, putting the right guys in, the Carusos, the Ludorts, just kind of winning basketball
16:06players that, again, are high character, that fit what they do.
16:14I love Case and Wallace.
16:16I love them.
16:17Loved them coming out of high school.
16:19This roster, when you look at it, even with Chet on it, you look at it, and you're like,
16:24okay, it's good, but it's not.
16:26Mark Dagnall has done an incredible job with this group.
16:31I knew nothing about him.
16:33I'm learning on the fly.
16:36First, I didn't realize his background until two years ago when I was having a pregame
16:42meal before a game at a local establishment.
16:48Well, I'll tell you, it was West End Giants, and the guy next to me introduces himself.
16:54It was Mark Dagnall's father.
16:56He was in for the game.
16:58My son's the coach of the team.
17:00I said, oh, really?
17:02I knew nothing.
17:03Bob was like, what's his name again?
17:05Usually, I could chime in with, oh, yeah, ba-bing, ba-bing, because I know who the guy was.
17:11Nothing.
17:12I had to, oh, wow.
17:14Imagine this poor guy.
17:16Gary, imagine this poor guy.
17:17He's so excited to meet Bob Ryan, the head coach of an NBA team.
17:22Bob's like, who's your son again?
17:24I know.
17:25It was embarrassing to me.
17:26You're right.
17:27I was, oh, shit.
17:28Anyway, that's my little Mark Dagnall anecdote.
17:34Bob, while we're on OKC, and Jeff just touched on Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City's won 15 straight.
17:39Cleveland's won 10 in a row.
17:41Yeah.
17:42Are these two right now the two new powers of the league?
17:45Well, the answer, yeah, they are.
17:47I mean, in terms of their, sure, right now, if you're starting the playoffs tonight, they would be feeling pretty good about themselves.
17:55No question.
17:56Absolutely.
17:58I mean, Cleveland, when I beat them earlier, I said, they weren't discouraged, folks.
18:04Don't worry.
18:05This is a home game and all that.
18:07Cleveland's very much for real.
18:09They got that backcourt.
18:10They got those two big guys.
18:12They got Jeff Goodman's one of his guys, Evan Mobley, having a terrific year.
18:18You got Levert coming off the bench.
18:21And they got a coach.
18:24And, I mean, whatever went down in Jersey, I don't know, ultimately, except that Kenny Atkinson is a guy I have great respect in this league, and he is doing a terrific job with Cleveland.
18:34They are very much for real, I think.
18:37So, absolutely.
18:38The answer is yes.
18:39So they are.
18:40Gary, they are.
18:41But here's what I'll say to that.
18:43I want to see it multiple seasons.
18:47And they are.
18:48I'm not doubting Oklahoma City or Cleveland because, again, I kind of know the fabric of those guys.
18:55But we were saying this last year in the playoffs about Minnesota.
19:00We were saying this, right?
19:01Everybody was all in.
19:02I mean, people were calling Anthony Edwards the next Michael Jordan.
19:06And now this dude, and I know we didn't have this on the docket to talk about today, but I feel like we have to.
19:15They make this trade.
19:16They get rid of Carl Anthony Towns.
19:17And now look at what the Timberwolves are doing.
19:20Their attempt.
19:21They're in the playing game right now.
19:23And I just wonder, like, you just see so much.
19:26Like, we're not questioning Anthony Edwards' talent.
19:29It's never been questioned.
19:31From when they sucked, he was a freshman at Georgia, and they were terrible.
19:35But you knew his ability, okay?
19:38Well, he's still got that ability.
19:40And he just went for, like, 54 in his last game.
19:44But they lost.
19:46And, you know, you hear him talk.
19:49And he's talking about how frustrated he is to get double teamed and this and that and the other.
19:56And I'm just like, he just sounds so immature in how he speaks right now.
20:01He's getting fined for using profanities live postgame.
20:05It's just like, and the sad part is, here's the saddest thing.
20:10It's like, this dude has been tutored by one of the best, one of the best human beings ever in this game, Mike Conley.
20:19And you just wonder, is he actually paying attention?
20:22Is he listening?
20:23Because he needs to grow up.
20:25He needs to grow up or he's going to be.
20:28Yeah.
20:29Bring it in my head as you were speaking.
20:31Young man, grow up.
20:32Yeah.
20:33Yes.
20:34Yeah.
20:35And if he does, he can win multiple titles.
20:38If he doesn't, I just don't know if he can be the best player on a team that's at the highest level.
20:47You know what I'm thinking?
20:48This points out something I haven't had a chance to address in a while.
20:52I don't know.
20:53But I'm happy to pontificate on this.
20:55And that is when you're talking about athletes, and I don't care what sport we're talking about, and you can identify great talents, okay, easier than you can identify great players.
21:07Because talent is only a start.
21:10I don't care what sport you're talking about.
21:12I don't care what physical attributes you have.
21:14I don't care what great, quote, unquote, athleticism you may possess.
21:18And this word got thrown around so haphazardly to me in this sport, too, particularly.
21:27You've got to put what my great mentor, the late Frank Power at Boston College, used to call the connection.
21:33And the connection between up here above the neck and the connection below the neck with the body that you've been gifted with.
21:42And those who can make the proper connection are the ones that are the great players.
21:50And how many guys have we seen?
21:52I have a thing called the All-Squander Talent Team.
21:56And I don't want to say it breaks your heart, but it frustrates you that they have squandered this talent because they didn't make the connection.
22:0423 years old, so there's still time.
22:08I mean, a guy like Jordan had the connection from the beginning.
22:10We knew that.
22:13Larry had the connection.
22:14Magic had the connection.
22:18These guys are dealing with a lot more, though, Bob.
22:20These guys are dealing with a lot more.
22:22Social media.
22:24Imagine Larry.
22:25I don't think Larry would have ever been on social media.
22:28But if he was, imagine some of the trash talking that if he really wanted to respond to some of these people that go after you on social media.
22:37Imagine some of the things he would have tweeted at some of these people.
22:40You're right.
22:41Right?
22:42That's a good point.
22:43No, it is different.
22:44But we got points.
22:45I still think my point is valid, that it's the connection.
22:48Yep.
22:50So anyway.
22:51All right.
22:52Quick time out here, guys.
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24:14Okay, guys.
24:15Moving on as we still have a lot of work to do here.
24:18Derek Rose.
24:20Bob, just your thoughts on him.
24:22He's going to have his number retired.
24:25And just what might have been.
24:27Yes.
24:28Derek Rose is an interesting thing.
24:30I was privileged to cover his regional as well as the Final Four with Memphis.
24:39And Derek Rose is in a rarefied category of players I've ever seen in that you cannot fully appreciate,
24:47you could not fully appreciate, in my judgment, Derek Rose on television.
24:53You had to be there.
24:55You had to be there, and hopefully you were on the front row with a nice fresh seat,
25:00as I always had in those days, and to get the feeling of what made him special.
25:07We have all seen rocket, I call rocket ship guys, up and down the floor.
25:12They can go from point to another floor, vying who's the fastest guy.
25:19But there were very few guys that had the extra qualities that Derek Rose had going up and down the floor.
25:26There were two things that distinguished him from me.
25:29One was he had, and I know this is an illusion, but he created this illusion the way very few I've ever had.
25:35He had the illusion to me when he was finishing his move to the hoop,
25:40he had an extra downshift gear for one final burst that didn't exist before.
25:46I'm telling you, he got to the hoop in a way that was more breathtaking.
25:50You could feel it.
25:51And the second thing he did that I've never seen anybody any better,
25:56and that he could go laterally in the air as well as anyone I've ever seen.
26:02He could start off going down, and he's going to be shooting from the left side of the rim,
26:07and suddenly he's moved over somehow mysteriously.
26:11And maybe once again, this may be an illusion, but no, not really.
26:14The right side, and move laterally in the air as well.
26:17I've never seen anybody do it like that.
26:19He was truly special, physically special.
26:23And the sad thing is it was an abortive career.
26:26He missed an entire season, by the way.
26:29The 2012-13 season, I believe.
26:33He missed an entire season.
26:35And the whole thing didn't shake out.
26:40Remember, he was a rookie of the year, naturally.
26:43He's the youngest MVP ever.
26:45In his third year at the 2010-11, he was the MVP.
26:50And then he missed the next year, a year later after that.
26:57And eventually, when he left Chicago, he started an odyssey.
27:00He wound up playing for six teams, including the Knicks twice.
27:03And he was done by the time he was too young.
27:07He's only 36 years old now.
27:10So it was an unfulfilled career, but productive to a degree.
27:17But it should have been more out of it.
27:19And that's my take on Derek Rose.
27:24I've known him since he was 15.
27:26And it was the best AAU backcourt I've ever seen,
27:29which was Derek Rose and Eric Gordon.
27:32They put him together, and neither one said a word.
27:35You're not going to find two more silent assassins than those two.
27:40I mean, they don't say a word.
27:42They just absolutely destroyed everybody.
27:45And Derek was like that through most of his career, to be honest.
27:48That was the coolest part of me watching him talk to the crowd the other night.
27:54Hearing Derek Rose, the human being, and the maturity,
27:57because he couldn't have done that.
27:59He was so scared and such an introvert.
28:04And watching him grow up, those are the coolest things for me,
28:07because I've seen some of these kids since they were 15 years old.
28:15What I think I had so much respect for Derek for was
28:18that he was never about the attention.
28:20He didn't care at all.
28:21In fact, he didn't want it.
28:23He did not want it.
28:24He would have rathered his teammates get it.
28:26I remember being in the locker room after a Bulls playoff game,
28:30and it was Joakim Noah and Jimmy Butler.
28:34And Jimmy Butler actually ran out the door and didn't face the media after that game.
28:41And Derek Rose had to.
28:43And he did with such poise.
28:48And at that point in his career, you could see it.
28:51He didn't want to, but he did it.
28:53He didn't run from anything.
28:55He just kind of matured.
28:57It was sad for me to see how his career went,
29:02but also really cool for me to see how he embraced,
29:06okay, I'm going to have to change how I play.
29:09I don't have that explosiveness anymore.
29:11And he stayed in the league.
29:12How many more years, guys, after those injuries?
29:15Oh, another decade.
29:16He was a valued commodity.
29:18Coming off the bench.
29:19Very, very valued coming off the bench for them,
29:22which is something you couldn't have projected when he was a rookie.
29:25He was a great teammate.
29:26I guess that's what I'm getting at is without going out with guys,
29:30because that wasn't his MO.
29:32He kind of went his own way after games.
29:34He wasn't a guy that hung out with guys.
29:37But everybody respected him because he was all about winning
29:41and never about himself.
29:43That's why everybody still wanted him in their locker room,
29:47despite the fact that, honestly,
29:49his skills and his skill set wasn't what it was, obviously,
29:53when he was arguably the best player in the NBA.
29:56Now, we'd be disingenuous if we did not acknowledge the,
30:01I wouldn't say the dark side, but the controversial side,
30:04which was, you know, did he or did he not take his own SAT?
30:09And it ultimately cost Memphis, you know,
30:13their runner-up status in the NCAA Annals.
30:18You know, and we'll never know the truth to that.
30:20There was a very muddled, to me, very muddled, you know,
30:23how you can't come to a conclusion, you know, number one.
30:27And he did have some, you know,
30:29sexual harassment to say the least charges as well.
30:33And now he's embraced the Lord.
30:35Apparently he has become a very prominent Christian.
30:38Fine.
30:39I hope, you know, and I want to believe he's very sincere,
30:42but I just think we have to acknowledge that there was another side
30:46in his legacy off the court.
30:50Do you want to hear a crazy story?
30:52You want to hear one of my dumbest stories for me?
30:55I'll make it quick, Eric.
30:56I'll make it quick.
30:57I'll give you the Cliff Notes version of this one.
30:59We got all day, bud.
31:00We got nothing else to do.
31:01All right.
31:02This is a story of, it ties into Derek Rose and taking the ACT and,
31:06you know, it was in Detroit and, you know, the questions,
31:09whether he was there, whether he took his own test or not.
31:11Anyway, after that, his older brother, Reggie Rose, coach, an AU program.
31:17They're out in Vegas at the time.
31:19And I'm watching in the stands and they're losing by 40 to a team
31:24Canada team that had Tristan Thompson on it at the time.
31:27And Reggie Rhodes was a little crazy.
31:30And so they're down like 40 early in the second half.
31:33And there's a bad call.
31:34And Reggie Rose goes bananas.
31:36And Reggie's totally different than Derek.
31:39Derek, like I said, says nothing.
31:42Like this, even keel.
31:44Derek's already in the NBA at this point.
31:45He's not at the game.
31:47So he goes down and he goes crazy on the ref.
31:51And then he decides he's going to take his team and we're going to go home.
31:55We're going to go home.
31:57You've got 50 college coaches sitting there watching.
32:00Yeah, you're down 40, but there's like 15 minutes left in the game.
32:04You could find a way to get players 12, 13, and 14 in the game
32:08and maybe get them a scholarship, right?
32:10Or at least look that by.
32:11So I go down and I'm talking to Reggie and not talking.
32:15I'm kind of like, that's Bush league.
32:17Like, you don't do that.
32:18You don't do that.
32:19And we're like nose to nose.
32:21And he's yelling at me and I'm yelling back at him.
32:24And my dumb ass finally says something about, you know, well, you know,
32:29did, did, let's talk about Derek taking the ACT.
32:33Yeah, that got him going.
32:36That got him going to a high level.
32:37So I had to wait it out because I was pretty, you know, young and stupid.
32:41And Reggie, after I did that, people, there were people in the stands
32:45that are like, you, you are the dumbest human being ever.
32:48Like, do you understand Reggie Rose?
32:50Like what he'll do to you.
32:51So I'm sitting there like shaking, like, like, what do I do?
32:54I don't want to walk out of the gym now.
32:57I waited out like three more games.
32:59I'm like, I'm not leaving.
33:01And finally I walked out.
33:02I remember I grabbed a coach.
33:04So the team did not leave.
33:06The team left.
33:07They left.
33:08But I was still like, who knows?
33:09I walk out of this gym.
33:11I'm going to wait this thing out as long as I can.
33:14And I remember walking out with at least one coach, Buzz Williams.
33:18I was not a head coach at Texas A&M.
33:20And just being like, hey, I need some sort of, you know, I need some,
33:24somebody, if I get my ass kicked here,
33:28I need somebody to vouch for the fact that I got my ass kicked.
33:31So I got back to my hotel in Vegas with no incident.
33:36But how dumb, I mean, seriously.
33:38I was just pissed off.
33:39I understand.
33:40Your work choice might not have been terrific.
33:42But I do applaud you because I know you have a passion for the young people
33:48and the fact is, yeah,
33:49you want to finish the game because some kid may get to a school.
33:52That was very selfish by him.
33:54And I applaud you for at least taking a stand.
33:56Yeah, it was the wrong way to go about it at the end.
33:59We call it a youthful indiscretion.
34:01Yes.
34:02A youthful indiscretion.
34:03We all have that.
34:04All right, we're going to talk about Bob's Rockets coming up.
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35:43All right, Bob.
35:44We'll wrap it up with the Rockets.
35:46The floor is yours.
35:48Well, I just was curious.
35:50I'm following them.
35:52And I know I'm not telling Jeff anything he doesn't know.
35:55And he knows far more about them than I do.
35:57But I'm just impressed with the youth factor.
36:01And how the drafting, you know, has produced this team.
36:07Starting from the floor in 2021 when they went 17 and 55.
36:12And we're widely, you know, known.
36:15They're in the Tankapalooza mode.
36:18And the next two years they went 20 and 62, 22 and 60.
36:22And then last year they made a 19-game improvement to 41 and 41.
36:27And right now they're 23 and 12 and at the top of their division.
36:31Of their top six scorers, four of them are either 21 or 22 years of age.
36:37And then they're bolstered by Dylan Brooks.
36:40And, of course, the wise head of the group, one of my all-time, not all-time,
36:46but one of my, you know, favorite players of the last many years, Fred VanVleet.
36:50And including in there is a number two overall pick, Jalen Green.
36:56I'd like to hear Jeff on Jalen Green.
36:58I remember hearing about him talking about Jalen Green.
37:02A number three overall pick in Jabari Smith.
37:05And a number four overall pick in Amen Thompson.
37:08Did we pronounce it Amen or Amen?
37:10Tell me, I don't know.
37:11Amen.
37:12Amen.
37:13Okay.
37:14And so it just, it's all working out, you know.
37:20And how far it's going to go.
37:22Including a Turkish player, Alperin Singun, who's up there at 19 points a game.
37:26I mean, so what's your overall feel about the Rockets, Jeff?
37:31I mean, listen, Imei's done an incredible job.
37:35Like you said, the blend is there, right?
37:37They've hit it with some picks.
37:39You know, Jalen Green was second overall.
37:42Singun, obviously, was in late first.
37:46He was 16.
37:47He was number 16.
37:48Yeah, yeah.
37:49He was right around that mid-range.
37:50Yeah.
37:52Amen Thompson's talented, super athletic, as is his twin brother.
37:58But I think the key was the veterans they brought in.
38:02And specifically Fred VanVleet.
38:05He's the key for their team because they needed a leader.
38:09They needed somebody that kind of fits who they are.
38:14And then you get a coach.
38:16And I know what you thought of his father.
38:19But Stephen Silas wasn't the right pick to coach this team.
38:22He just wasn't.
38:24And now you bring in a guy named Imei Odoka who, again,
38:27say what you want about his off-the-court transgressions,
38:29but that dude had everything to do with the Boston Celtics turnaround,
38:33everything to do with it,
38:35and figuring out what buttons to push to get Tatum and Brown
38:41and some of those other guys on the right page.
38:44So he's doing the same thing in Houston.
38:46I don't think they're quite as talented, but let's see where they go.
38:50Let's see what other moves they can make.
38:52They've got enough now that they can build around it.
38:55But Fred VanVleet to me is the straw that stirs the drink, the toughness,
39:00and you've got the right guys for Imei.
39:04That's the other part.
39:05You can't get a bunch of –
39:07you've got to get some lunch pail guys for Imei Odoka,
39:09and that's what they got here.
39:11And Brooks gives you a little feistiness.
39:14Yes.
39:15A little spice in the plot there.
39:18So kind of a Marcus Smart sort of thing for him there as well.
39:24But I just find them intriguing.
39:26That's all.
39:27And I just keep staring at this 21-21, 22-22, and I'm impressed, frankly.
39:32And you're right.
39:33And they're without Jabari.
39:34They're without Jabari Smith, who's got a broken hand,
39:36and they're without Reed Shepard.
39:38Right now Reed Shepard's not playing.
39:40He'll be good.
39:41He'll be a good piece down the road.
39:43I know people were expecting him to be Rookie of the Year.
39:45Yeah, right.
39:46He was the consensus pick to be Rookie of the Year.
39:48He's a nice piece is what he's going to be ultimately.
39:52But, again, this team, they've got a lot of talent.
39:55They've got to figure it out, like who they want to build around.
39:59And Fred VanLiet's 30 years old, so, you know, you've got a couple more years.
40:03But they have momentum.
40:04They've got momentum.
40:05They're giving their fans a team to root for.
40:07Totally.
40:08Something you can root for.
40:09Yes.
40:11And they're fulfilling that.
40:13They are fulfilling that.
40:14All right, guys, switching gears before we say goodbye, a little football.
40:17I will tell you right now, I work with Gerard Mayo.
40:22He's a wonderful guy.
40:24As Dan Shaughnessy wrote, nice guys finish last.
40:28Yeah.
40:29I wish they had kept him for another year.
40:31There are many, many.
40:34The Patriot organization has been phenomenal.
40:37Look, they're historic.
40:39They won six Super Bowls.
40:40I don't know how anybody could be angry with ownership.
40:44They're rebuilding.
40:45It happens.
40:46Kids are spoiled.
40:47Hey, Gary, kids are spoiled.
40:50I would have kept him another year because I just don't think the coach alone is a problem.
40:57I just think the entire organization just needs to start over.
41:00He didn't have any players.
41:01He had one player.
41:02He had a quarterback that was going to get killed.
41:04That's how I find it.
41:06I'm surprised it happened.
41:08I expected Kraft not this willing to admit a mistake or anything like that.
41:15I didn't expect it to happen.
41:17I thought that they would not listen to the outside noise and then give him another shot.
41:23It was shaky, though.
41:25It was a shaky early run here, test run.
41:32There wasn't any evidence he was getting any better.
41:36He had the knack of saying the wrong things, too, at the times.
41:41Bob, I don't understand the structure.
41:44Who's in charge?
41:46Who's in charge of the team?
41:49If you knew it was Bill, it was Bill.
41:51If you look at any other organization, I don't know.
41:54You have a GM.
41:55Okay, they have a GM.
41:58Wolf's kid, but is he in charge?
42:00Is Mayo in charge?
42:02Is Mayo just doing the defense?
42:04Who's running the offense?
42:05Is ownership in charge?
42:06Who's the guy?
42:08That's the thing.
42:10You know what I mean?
42:12I just see a lot of different people.
42:13I don't see one person who says the buck stops with me.
42:17The one thing I think he's going to be able to sit here a year from now and say,
42:21well, you thought I may have been the problem, but they have such a long way to go.
42:26Fortunately, they got two great components.
42:30The other one is Christian Gonzalez.
42:32He's a potentially elite player.
42:35No question about that.
42:37Other than that, the roster needs an awful lot of help.
42:44He is a nice guy.
42:47The players, for the most part, want to play for him, as far as we can tell.
42:52They like him and all that.
42:54I was surprised, though.
42:57I kept being asked it.
42:59I said, I don't think Kraft's going to do it.
43:01I think Kraft will stick with him.
43:02I don't know what was his determining factor.
43:06Listen, he did his job up until yesterday.
43:11Let's face it, he did his job.
43:13He lost a ton of games.
43:15You really needed to tank this year.
43:17Ultimately, that was the best thing for the organization.
43:21Now you lose out on Travis Hunter or the value of the number one pick.
43:26We don't know which way they would have gone.
43:29He was gone, whether they want it or not.
43:32Go for the multiple picks that they could have gotten for him.
43:35Again, I didn't follow it closely enough, guys.
43:39I'm not going to lie.
43:40It just seemed like he made so many other mistakes publicly,
43:45like with how he handled things.
43:47Game management was atrocious at times.
43:50Utterly atrocious and not professional.
43:53Not at all.
43:55Right, with the running back situation, publicly, whose start.
43:58Just dumb stuff that was very controllable
44:02and didn't make him look like he had control.
44:05Now, I'll give you a warning, not a red light here.
44:09I've already read one illusion, and you'll see another one, I'm sure,
44:13many of them.
44:14The unfortunate aspect of this is that he's an African-American.
44:19He is yet another African-American coach who was given a very short leash.
44:24The history in this league is that, as opposed to the white coaches,
44:29the chances of further chances are reduced.
44:32Yet another opportunity.
44:34More white coaches land on their feet better in this league
44:38as a rule, this historical rule, than black coaches.
44:42That's in every league.
44:44That's in every league, Rob.
44:46Okay, particularly in the NFL.
44:48Yeah, it's a shame.
44:50I'll defend the NBA in that regard.
44:53In fact, I've written about this in the past, going back 20 years,
44:56how the NBA is America's greatest meritocracy there is.
44:59Got fired, black coaches get rehired in the NBA.
45:02True.
45:03Mike Brown, he'll get a fourth.
45:05Mike Brown will get a fourth.
45:07Mike Brown?
45:08And he's not the first.
45:10J.B. Bickerstaff, his daddy, Bernie, he bounced.
45:13Anyway, different in the NBA.
45:17This is a conversation I'm restricting solely to the NFL,
45:21but you're going to hear about it.
45:24He's going to be exhibited.
45:25And the problem is that he's got less going for him than other guys did.
45:30You're going to hear about it.
45:32Right, right, and it's a damn shame
45:34because I think Gerard Mayer can be a good coach.
45:37He would be a good coach.
45:39He was set up to fail.
45:40He was thrown into the position at least a year earlier
45:43than when he was supposed to be.
45:44He was never really given the defense.
45:46I mean, Bill was running the defense.
45:48Bill was the head coach, and his son was running the defense with Gerard.
45:52He never really had a chance to say, okay, you're the defensive coordinator.
45:55You do what you want to do.
45:57He had to deal with Bill.
45:58He had to deal with Bill's kid.
46:00He never really had a chance to get his feet underneath him.
46:03And this year he gained some experience.
46:05I mean, God, I remember Parcells his first year.
46:08Bob, you'll know with the Giants, he wasn't very good.
46:11I remember Parcells.
46:12He was 3-13, I think.
46:14Right, and I think De'Asa told me this.
46:16Steve, I'm sorry if I'm misquoting you.
46:18I don't think I am.
46:20But I don't even know if Steve was with the Giants.
46:24Bill Parcells wasn't Bill Parcells when they were 3-13.
46:29He wasn't.
46:30He learned on the job.
46:33He was too friendly with some of the players.
46:35When he came back that second year, it was like we're all business.
46:40And that's something Gerrard had to learn too.
46:43I just feel he got to run.
46:45You like him.
46:46Everybody likes him.
46:47I can tell you like him as a human being.
46:49I like him because I think he can be a great coach.
46:52Because number one, he understands the game.
46:54Number two, he understands players.
46:56He has to learn some stuff.
46:58I mean, Jeff, you're right about the media stuff.
47:00You're right about that.
47:02Because if you met Gerrard, he's an open book.
47:05He's like, hey, Tangway, blah, blah, blah.
47:07We talk about family.
47:09He's a wonderful guy.
47:10He had to kind of shut that down at the podium.
47:14But I think he got a raw deal.
47:16It was like Missoula.
47:19It was like Missoula year one.
47:20If you remember, Missoula didn't give people much.
47:23Remember, when he was at Interim, he didn't make mistakes.
47:26He's not the Joe Missoula we saw today because I felt like in his mind,
47:30he's thinking, if I make mistakes and I don't win, I'm done.
47:34I have no shot at keeping this job.
47:36So I'm going to keep it.
47:37Now, he pissed some people off because, remember, he didn't give much.
47:41And people were like, he's kind of unlikable.
47:43But he didn't make mistakes.
47:45I mean, my God, you could have put on Amos Alonso staggering this team.
47:48Would they have done any better?
47:49No.
47:50This team sucked.
47:51It wouldn't have been any better.
47:52I mean, that's why it's a panic.
47:53I'm really disappointed.
47:55The more I think about it, because I think it's a panic move by the Pats,
47:58which generally they don't do.
48:00I mean, the Kraft family has never really succumbed to media pressure.
48:04They really haven't.
48:05I mean, I know Robert is a sensitive guy.
48:07He's been very philanthropic.
48:08He likes to be in front of the people.
48:10He's a great owner.
48:11As Bob said, this is very un-Kraft-like.
48:15But isn't Jonathan doing way more now?
48:18Isn't it on Jonathan?
48:19I don't know where it came from.
48:20I think Jonathan is, from what I understand, I don't know.
48:23I'm not there.
48:24I would have given him another year, and I would have said,
48:28we got to get some players.
48:31Agreed.
48:32You know, we got to spend some money, and we got to get some players.
48:35You're at the point where you have to overpay now.
48:38You're not the Patriots anymore.
48:40You have to overpay to get people.
48:42I don't know if Mayo Key coach.
48:43I would have been like, okay, Wolf, get me players, because he sucked too.
48:48He hasn't done a great job.
48:50Wolf hasn't done a great job.
48:51And Mayo, you got one more year.
48:53We're going to spend some money.
48:54We've got to see improvement.
48:55Wolf, you run the front office.
48:57Mayo, you run the team, including the offense.
49:01Get me some players.
49:02Get me some players, and then we'll evaluate.
49:04Then we'll evaluate, and then I'll take the heat in the media.
49:07Because he was okay with, like, listen, Drake May, I thought, again, developed.
49:11Like, you can't argue with that.
49:13He did a good job.
49:14I mean, Davis is a good player.
49:16I mean, the Charger game, they got smoked.
49:19I mean, how many – the roster sucks.
49:23Sucks.
49:24Their skill position guys stink.
49:27Terrible.
49:28I mean, their receivers stink.
49:29Terrible.
49:30And then their line.
49:31I mean, come on.
49:32They got no line.
49:33Right.
49:34I mean, so I just – I hear what everybody's saying.
49:36Yep.
49:37Yep.
49:38My God, I'd give the guy –
49:39So are they going to hire Grable?
49:41Is that what the word is?
49:42I don't know.
49:43To me, like, if you've made the move now, right, you've made the move.
49:47And you know who you want.
49:48And I would have given him another year.
49:49You know who you want today.
49:51Come on, if you're making that move, you know who you want today.
49:54Well, you want Grable as the head coach.
49:55Right.
49:56And you want Josh as the offensive coordinator.
50:00And I think Josh would come back as the offensive coordinator for Mike.
50:04But here's the deal, and I don't know if this is true,
50:08if there's any coaching going on from ownership.
50:11And I don't know if that's true.
50:13You know, you can't do that with Grable.
50:17He won't want to come.
50:18He won't want to come.
50:19You've got to let him do the job.
50:21Agreed.
50:22I just, you know, people are so spoiled around here.
50:26You guys are right.
50:27Just so.
50:28Yes.
50:29He was ill-equipped to take the job,
50:32and then he didn't have the tools to get the job done.
50:35I knew this topic would get Gary going, Bob.
50:38I knew it would get him going.
50:39I swear it did.
50:40Push that button.
50:41Well, I don't know.
50:42I mean, the Celtics is really, even though I get frustrated when they lose
50:47to OKC, there's not a whole lot to complain about.
50:49Exactly.
50:50Exactly.
50:51I don't know.
50:52This is it.
50:53And the NBA is great.
50:54I mean, the league is great.
50:55You want to watch.
50:56You can turn on games.
50:57You can see great games.
50:58You can see Denver 1-9.
50:59You can see Oklahoma City.
51:00There's nothing wrong with the NBA.
51:02Right.
51:03But with the Patriots.
51:04And then I'm listening to my buddies on sports radio,
51:06and I'm listening to the fans, and I'm like, jeez, my God.
51:10They almost fired Belichick after he got off to a rough start in 2000.
51:15You know, then look what happened.
51:18All right, I'm done.
51:19I would have done.
51:20I probably would have given him one more just to see and give him some talent
51:24and evaluate him then.
51:26But I also still doubt.
51:27I mean, you guys are wrong.
51:30And God, this is the longest podcast we've ever done, by the way.
51:34You guys are wrong in that he needs media training.
51:37I mean, he was great when he worked with us at Comcast SportsNet
51:39because he talked all the time.
51:41But now you're going to go and you're going to say, Mayo.
51:43It's different.
51:44You're not getting paid by NBC Sports Boston anymore.
51:47Right.
51:48Less is better.
51:49Hey, watch Bill Belichick's press conferences.
51:52Less is better.
51:54Less is better.
51:55I mean, just say less is better, and that's it.
51:58You know?
51:59But I just – he's better.
52:03I hope he continues because –
52:04Gary, go get some green tea in you.
52:06Go get some green tea in you.
52:08You'll be settled down.
52:09You'll feel better.
52:10Bob is falling asleep.
52:12I'm putting him to sleep.
52:15Mr. Ryan, always a pleasure.
52:16Jeff Goodman, thank you.
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