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00:00:00 One more crossover episode to wrap things up here.

00:00:05 Patriots beat Patriots daily crossover on CLNS media.

00:00:08 Alex Barth, Taylor Kyle's, Mike Catholic,

00:00:10 Brian Heinz going down the line.

00:00:12 Powering through the day after the NFL draft,

00:00:17 all eight picks for the Patriots are in the books

00:00:21 and we have their 2024 draft class.

00:00:24 So we'll kind of react to that.

00:00:26 Look ahead to the next step.

00:00:27 So mainly focus on day three.

00:00:28 We talked about Drake May in the day two guys

00:00:31 on previous shows.

00:00:32 You can go back and check those out earlier on the channel,

00:00:33 but draft's in the book guys.

00:00:36 How do we feel?

00:00:37 - Tired.

00:00:39 - Tired, exhausted, excited.

00:00:42 Before we, you know, give our full things.

00:00:45 I think the one thing that we can all agree on

00:00:47 is that eight picks, seven players on offense

00:00:50 was massive for them.

00:00:51 They really needed to obviously, you know,

00:00:53 rejuvenate and replenish that side of the football.

00:00:56 I forget who asked Rod Mayo in his press conference

00:00:59 yesterday, like, "Did you not have a say

00:01:00 because you'd only got one defender?"

00:01:02 And he was like, he laughed, but he was like,

00:01:03 "No, we knew that these were the needs

00:01:05 and we had to fill them."

00:01:06 So I think that's a huge positive because you talk about,

00:01:09 and we look back on, you know,

00:01:10 especially last season, it really hit home

00:01:12 where they needed offense

00:01:13 and they still took three defenders at the top.

00:01:15 And it's like, Bill couldn't help himself where,

00:01:18 you know, they really hit on those needs.

00:01:19 So I think that's obviously the, you know,

00:01:20 the overarching most important part of this entire thing.

00:01:23 - Yeah, I think, you know,

00:01:24 when I look at this draft class to me,

00:01:26 I feel like they more or less did what they needed to do.

00:01:29 They got the quarterback, obviously that's, you know,

00:01:31 they needed Drake May, we were all on board with that.

00:01:35 The receivers we talked about yesterday,

00:01:36 how Jalen Polk was a great fit with Drake May.

00:01:38 You can say the same thing about Javon Baker.

00:01:41 It's gonna take me a minute to get that as Javon,

00:01:43 not Javon.

00:01:44 So they have the J's, like the Celtics now, Javon Jalen.

00:01:47 But they got a couple of deep ball receivers for Drake May.

00:01:52 Jaheim Bell, sneaky, good pickup at the end of the draft.

00:01:55 Talk about value.

00:01:56 People were mad about reaches earlier in the draft.

00:01:58 Some people thought Jaheim Bell would be a top 100 pick.

00:02:01 That's tremendous value.

00:02:02 - Three J's.

00:02:03 - Is it Jaheim or Jaheim?

00:02:07 - I think it's Jaheim, but still three J's.

00:02:09 - Okay, there's a team here,

00:02:11 we could throw Joe Milton in there.

00:02:12 - Yeah, we can.

00:02:13 - And then, you know, the one pick on defense,

00:02:16 I kind of wear like-

00:02:17 - Don't wear the lead, Barth, come on, it's Joe Milton.

00:02:18 - I'm going through the class.

00:02:20 They all got drafted by the Patriots.

00:02:22 - It took you two minutes to say Joe Milton's name.

00:02:24 That was smashing the Moore line on that one.

00:02:27 - They all got drafted by, you know, the one defensive pick.

00:02:31 The one, you know, knock I have,

00:02:34 we had the UDFA's too, but the one knock I have,

00:02:36 I would have liked to see them be more aggressive

00:02:37 in addressing left tackle.

00:02:39 That's pretty much it, which has become a pattern here.

00:02:42 But besides that, I think they had a solid draft.

00:02:44 They went in, they did what they needed to do.

00:02:46 I don't think they did anything groundbreaking.

00:02:48 I don't think they did anything generational,

00:02:50 but they went in and they got the kind of players

00:02:52 we felt like they needed to get.

00:02:54 - It was also encouraging to hear that,

00:02:57 it turned out that Scott Peters and Kugler

00:03:00 were both on board with getting Caden Wallace

00:03:03 and getting him to left tackle.

00:03:04 - Right.

00:03:05 - So, you know, it didn't feel like they kind of panicked.

00:03:07 It was like, no, we think that this guy has the tools to move

00:03:09 and Brandon Thorne said it was at least worth a try

00:03:12 to move over to the left side.

00:03:13 He thought the Patriots got decent value there.

00:03:15 So, you know, it's one of those still,

00:03:17 like we said at the time,

00:03:18 one of those wait and see things to really know

00:03:21 if it was a good pick or not.

00:03:22 But I also understand people being upset

00:03:24 they didn't get like a Patrick Pauler, Kingsley,

00:03:26 so I'm not saying.

00:03:27 - Well, that's the thing we talk about too with Drake May,

00:03:29 with, you know, he needs coaching, he needs coaching,

00:03:31 he needs so much coaching, don't take him,

00:03:33 he needs too much coaching.

00:03:33 It's like, well, if you trust your damn coaching

00:03:35 to make something happen, then it's gonna work out.

00:03:38 And the same can go with the Caden Wallace pick,

00:03:40 like, okay, if you think he has the tools

00:03:43 to play left tackle and you just need to coach him up

00:03:46 and you trust your coaches to be able to do so,

00:03:48 then make the pick and don't think twice about it.

00:03:50 So I think that's the positive spin on it, right?

00:03:53 It's just a matter of actually making it happen, of course.

00:03:56 Brian, what do you think of the class as a whole?

00:03:58 - I mean, they didn't overthink it, right?

00:04:00 They had their holes, they went out and addressed them.

00:04:03 So I like it.

00:04:04 You mentioned like the two receivers,

00:04:06 I think they're great fits with Drake May.

00:04:08 Like, and that's what you wanna do.

00:04:09 You get your quarterback, go play to his strengths,

00:04:11 guys who can win downfield, win over the middle,

00:04:14 you know, good hands, contested catch guys.

00:04:16 So I thought that was a good mix,

00:04:18 but yeah, it's like, let's see,

00:04:20 Caden Wallace is like the big question mark.

00:04:22 Let's see how that looks when we get out,

00:04:24 when we put the pads on, how that looks at left tackle.

00:04:26 - So again, the class, Drake May 3rd overall,

00:04:29 they trade down a little bit to get Jalen Polk 37th,

00:04:31 stay at 68, take Caden Wallace after on a tackle.

00:04:35 Day three started with a guard,

00:04:36 Lane Robinson from Texas A&M.

00:04:38 Seven picks later, they're back on the board,

00:04:40 Javon Baker, wide receiver from UCF.

00:04:42 Then it's a 70 pick gap.

00:04:44 So Mike, they did actually have time

00:04:46 to go out and get lunch.

00:04:47 And we had to wait, 'cause I thought the trade was coming.

00:04:49 It didn't.

00:04:50 Marcellus Dial, first off, great name.

00:04:54 Great name.

00:04:55 I almost, when we talk about now,

00:04:58 spin the dial on defense, right?

00:05:00 - Different level, yeah.

00:05:02 - Yeah, that was a little Mike Reese to me,

00:05:03 but Marcellus Dial.

00:05:05 - Great job by Reese with dial.

00:05:07 When he did that, right?

00:05:08 So, you know, we know what, you know, what Reese does,

00:05:10 and he likes to have fun with his, you know,

00:05:12 reporting with stuff like that, right?

00:05:14 And I just thought he was like,

00:05:15 I just thought he meant, you know,

00:05:16 they're gonna go defender, like dial it.

00:05:18 And then all of a sudden he comes out.

00:05:20 - First time he did it, and then there were more,

00:05:22 and you realized what was going on.

00:05:24 - The bell, ring the bell.

00:05:25 - So I didn't notice this.

00:05:26 Earlier on, he tweeted the Baker emoji.

00:05:30 - Oh yeah.

00:05:31 - And I think everybody just missed it.

00:05:32 - Yeah.

00:05:33 - Because they had just made a pick,

00:05:34 and we were all caught up in the previous pick.

00:05:36 - Right, that's right.

00:05:38 - But so they go Marcellus Dial, 180,

00:05:40 Joe Milton at 193, and then they close it out

00:05:42 with Shaheem Bell at the end of the draft.

00:05:44 Again, we'll get into the UDF phase later,

00:05:46 but let's just react, you know,

00:05:47 we'll go one at a time here.

00:05:49 Again, we've talked about Drake May,

00:05:50 we've talked about Jalen Polk,

00:05:51 we've talked about Caden Wallace.

00:05:53 You can find those shows back,

00:05:55 and make sure you're subscribed if you're not already

00:05:57 to the CLNS Patriots channel.

00:05:59 We did those shows Friday and Saturday,

00:06:02 but they start off guard, Layden Robinson,

00:06:05 powerful player, weird body type for a guard.

00:06:08 He's built more like, you know,

00:06:10 a Nate Solder type of tackle.

00:06:13 His leverage isn't great,

00:06:14 but he still can overpower people,

00:06:16 which is super interesting.

00:06:18 I'm sure they're gonna try him at tackle too.

00:06:20 I know there were some experts coming in

00:06:21 that projected him as maybe

00:06:22 a potential multi-positional player.

00:06:24 But my big takeaway here, guys,

00:06:26 is that I think there's gonna be an open competition

00:06:29 for at least one guard spot, if not two.

00:06:31 You figure City still will have one,

00:06:33 but is he locked in a right or will it be both,

00:06:35 especially with those reports coming out after the combine

00:06:38 that Cole Strange may not be ready to start the season.

00:06:40 Brian, we'll start with you on this one,

00:06:41 your thoughts on Layden Robinson.

00:06:44 - Yeah, I mean, how many times did Gerard Mayo say

00:06:46 over the weekend they wanna just create competition, right?

00:06:49 Create as much competition on this roster as possible.

00:06:52 So that's what it's gonna look like.

00:06:53 We've seen like Cole Strange, he's had his ups and downs.

00:06:56 He can't stay on the field.

00:06:58 You know, there was a picture at OTAs last week

00:07:01 where he's still in, you know, he's not in pads,

00:07:03 or not pads, you know, he's not in his jersey.

00:07:05 He's in street clothes, right?

00:07:06 So he's not even ready.

00:07:07 He's not healthy.

00:07:08 He's still easing his way back into things.

00:07:10 We saw like Moffey wasn't great

00:07:12 in his limited reps last year.

00:07:13 So they took all these guys,

00:07:15 but the returns have been great.

00:07:17 So create competition, protect your young quarterback.

00:07:21 I was fine with that pick in Robinson.

00:07:24 - Taylor, what are your thoughts on Robinson?

00:07:25 - I like him.

00:07:26 I like the long arms.

00:07:28 One thing that he mentioned,

00:07:29 that he's got like burst off the line,

00:07:30 which is what the coaches liked,

00:07:32 and then reading about him,

00:07:33 that's consistently mentioned

00:07:34 as he is explosive off the line.

00:07:36 There's some issues of like his mirroring skills,

00:07:38 apparently like he isn't super mobile,

00:07:40 although he is an effective puller,

00:07:42 which in that Alex Van Pelt scheme,

00:07:44 that's what you want to hear.

00:07:45 He was in a really diverse run scheme in college.

00:07:47 But with that arm, like that's really intriguing.

00:07:49 'Cause if a guy doesn't have that great movement skills,

00:07:52 you'd like him to be able to initiate contact

00:07:54 and kind of shut guys down early.

00:07:55 And it seems like he's got the skillset to do that.

00:07:58 But yeah, again, the competition,

00:08:00 like we know the left side isn't locked in,

00:08:02 whether it's Chooks or a Cole Strange.

00:08:05 So at least they have guys

00:08:06 where they can push the starters.

00:08:08 So if they are the day one starters,

00:08:10 you know, all right,

00:08:11 at least these are the guys

00:08:12 you know the team feels comfortable with

00:08:14 versus kind of being hamstrung.

00:08:15 And it's like, well, these are the guys we got.

00:08:17 We don't really have a choice.

00:08:18 And we saw last year how bad it was

00:08:20 when they had to go to their depth guys

00:08:21 who weren't ready yet.

00:08:22 So I do like that they shorted up the offensive line

00:08:25 like they said they would with two players.

00:08:27 And honestly, I'm intrigued to see, I'm excited.

00:08:29 I like the skillsets,

00:08:31 the fit for Caden Wallace, again, we'll see.

00:08:33 But Leighton Robinson, I think is a guy

00:08:35 who's gonna be starting for this team

00:08:36 within the next couple of years

00:08:38 at some spot along the offensive line.

00:08:39 I like his profile.

00:08:40 - Mike, what do you think?

00:08:41 - Yeah, I mean, you really, Alex,

00:08:44 when you'd noticed that a couple of weeks ago

00:08:46 when we talked to Elliot Wolfe pre-draft

00:08:47 and he mentioned all of those offensive linemen

00:08:49 and he did omit Cole Strange's name.

00:08:51 And so look, does he make the team?

00:08:53 Who knows?

00:08:54 I have a way, way, way, way too early roster projection

00:08:57 already up on cionlessmedia.com.

00:08:59 Just, you know, to kind of take a look at

00:09:01 what the team could look like.

00:09:03 And like, I have him on there,

00:09:05 but that doesn't mean he's gonna start.

00:09:06 And I don't think you can rely on, or, you know,

00:09:11 I guess trust any Belichick regime player

00:09:16 to be on this roster next season.

00:09:19 Like we talk, and we'll talk about the wide receiver room,

00:09:21 but they bring in those two guys,

00:09:22 Juju Smith-Schuster, a Belichick signing,

00:09:24 Tyquan Thornton, a Belichick regime draft pick.

00:09:27 Like, do those guys make the room?

00:09:29 Same with Cole Strange on offense, where he isn't healthy.

00:09:32 You are loading up with Leighton Robinson.

00:09:35 And I think it goes to show that, you know,

00:09:38 they're not gonna just, I guess, you know,

00:09:41 they're not gonna rely on the old picks.

00:09:43 They're gonna make it a new one.

00:09:45 So Leighton Robinson being their ads competition.

00:09:48 And I like it.

00:09:49 I think they needed it, especially with, you know,

00:09:51 Moffey and Jake Andrews, two question marks.

00:09:54 Like those guys aren't locked to make it either.

00:09:56 - And you gotta remember, the guys in charge,

00:09:57 they didn't pick Cole Strange.

00:09:59 - Exactly.

00:09:59 - The guys in charge now, they were here, but you know,

00:10:01 it was Bill's board and maybe they feel differently.

00:10:04 Even the three players last year.

00:10:05 All right, moving on, 110th pick,

00:10:09 J. Vaughn Baker, in a word, confidence.

00:10:13 - Oh yeah.

00:10:13 - Confidence.

00:10:14 Am I out of line to comp J. Vaughn Baker

00:10:17 to like Steve Smith or Terrell Owens or Chad Ochocinco?

00:10:22 'Cause at least the way he talked to us,

00:10:24 he feels right out of that era in the NFL.

00:10:26 And for the record, I love it.

00:10:28 I love it.

00:10:29 You gotta be confident to play that position.

00:10:32 You know, bring your popcorn

00:10:34 or make people stand up out of wheelchairs.

00:10:36 He said him, Jalen Polk and Drake May alone,

00:10:39 we're gonna bring winning back to the city of Boston,

00:10:41 which the Red Sox put up 17 last night.

00:10:43 - Yeah, good work Taylor.

00:10:45 - Celtics and Bruins came out with low win score.

00:10:47 - I got a football score for Taylor.

00:10:48 - Right.

00:10:49 - I didn't see nothing.

00:10:50 - Maybe J. Vaughn Baker's right.

00:10:51 Maybe the winning's back.

00:10:53 As a player, you know, to me,

00:10:55 now that we have the full picture,

00:10:57 I think the idea is him and Polk come in

00:11:00 and fill the roles that were supposed to be filled

00:11:02 by Devontae Parker and Juju Smith-Schuster

00:11:04 the last couple of years.

00:11:05 And we'll see what happens.

00:11:06 Like Cole Strange, you know,

00:11:07 I think Juju Smith-Schuster's future

00:11:09 and it is now a little cloudy,

00:11:10 but you got your kind of move, you know,

00:11:13 versatile receiver and Polk.

00:11:15 And I think Baker's gonna have a chance

00:11:17 to be the starting X week one.

00:11:19 Gerard Meyer said he wants to play the kids.

00:11:21 I think he's gonna have a chance to play a lot.

00:11:24 - It's funny you mentioned Steve Smith and Ocho

00:11:26 because Steve Smith had J. Vaughn Baker

00:11:29 on his show where he goes over all the receivers.

00:11:32 And he said the footwork did remind him of Ocho Cinco.

00:11:36 And then when it comes to where he's gonna play,

00:11:38 Baker, dude, this is...

00:11:41 So they have a room full of like nice guys

00:11:43 and Kendrick Bourne is like, you know,

00:11:45 the cool uncle and everything.

00:11:46 And you love the energy he brings.

00:11:48 - He's like the old guy now in that room.

00:11:50 - Yeah. - Yeah, right.

00:11:51 - Yeah, that happened quick.

00:11:52 - He's literally blew not put up with any bullshit.

00:11:55 And you can tell where like he said,

00:11:57 like where I'm from, all I do is football and he means it.

00:12:00 And he was saying like, whether I'll play X.

00:12:02 And he said yesterday when he was talking to us,

00:12:04 he plays with a Mamba mentality.

00:12:07 And he mentioned during the show

00:12:08 that they were asking about like Pat Sertan

00:12:10 and like what it was like for him to go up against him.

00:12:12 He's like, is there anybody

00:12:13 that you had to watch a lot of film on?

00:12:14 He's like, when I was at Bama going up against Pat,

00:12:16 I was like, damn, this dude different.

00:12:19 Like he's playing to feed his family.

00:12:21 Like this is no joke.

00:12:22 And he was mentioning how when he's playing guys,

00:12:24 he doesn't want to attack their weaknesses.

00:12:26 He's like, no, I already know what you're bad at.

00:12:28 I want to attack what you're good at

00:12:30 so I can see where I'm at.

00:12:32 That reminded me of that documentary

00:12:33 where Kobe was talking about when he was a kid

00:12:35 and he was in a youth tournaments,

00:12:37 everybody else is using the right hand all the time.

00:12:39 'Cause obviously you want to be your best.

00:12:41 Kobe was so just fricking ahead of his time.

00:12:44 This guy was using his left hand

00:12:45 'cause he was like, I want to be better.

00:12:47 Like you guys can keep doing your thing

00:12:48 and you know, work on your strength.

00:12:50 I'm gonna get better at the highest level.

00:12:52 That reminded me of that kind of thing

00:12:54 where he's just, this dude is built different.

00:12:56 And when it comes to the alignment,

00:12:57 I'll get into finally getting to that.

00:12:59 He said he wants to play X.

00:13:00 He wants to go up against the best competition,

00:13:02 but he's also like, I want you to move me around.

00:13:04 I don't want to be in one place.

00:13:06 And we know that's exactly what Elliot Wolfe

00:13:08 in this kind of Packer style slash van Pelt type of offense

00:13:11 is gonna do with their wideout.

00:13:12 So I'm really excited, man.

00:13:14 The play style and everything is already exciting,

00:13:16 plenty to work on, but that mentality,

00:13:19 he is going to make the guys in that room around him

00:13:21 because he's gonna push Gonzo.

00:13:23 He's gonna push the other receivers.

00:13:24 Like you need to be your best

00:13:26 and don't shy away from competition.

00:13:27 I'm juiced, man.

00:13:29 - Yeah, and the other thing too, you look at,

00:13:31 we talked about a few times on the other shows,

00:13:34 the like, it's like the character class

00:13:36 and the rebuilding class of, you know,

00:13:37 the they want to like, they want good guys.

00:13:41 They want good guys just as much as they want good players.

00:13:43 And this was a little bit, you know,

00:13:45 off the straight and narrow for them with this pick

00:13:47 as far as who he is as like a, as a personality.

00:13:50 - But is he, hang on, sorry.

00:13:51 I don't, he's not, he doesn't have any prior,

00:13:54 like disciplinary issues.

00:13:56 - Correct.

00:13:56 - They also brought him in for a visit.

00:13:59 So they're pretty comfortable with the character.

00:14:01 I'd say.

00:14:02 - I don't think he's a bad guy.

00:14:03 He's just really, really cocky.

00:14:05 Yeah, he's just kind of bad.

00:14:07 - It's different, but it's not bad.

00:14:09 Like there's no concern there.

00:14:11 It's just a different confidence level.

00:14:13 - No, but I just, sorry.

00:14:13 I just kind of, I just want to be clear about this.

00:14:15 It's not because I see people being like,

00:14:16 oh, another one of these like troubled white.

00:14:18 He's that, when I say he's out of that,

00:14:20 like old school, 2000s mold, I mean it.

00:14:23 He's absolutely one of these diva wide receivers

00:14:26 that doesn't make them a bad person.

00:14:28 - Correct.

00:14:29 - A lot of those guys would have sound bites for days,

00:14:31 but they, I didn't mean they were bad people.

00:14:33 It didn't mean they were getting in trouble.

00:14:35 They just liked having a microphone in front of them

00:14:37 and they were clever.

00:14:38 That's kind of the vibe I get from Javon Baker.

00:14:40 - It is not like where sometimes we kind of get that

00:14:42 with Mac, where sometimes he seemed

00:14:44 like he was a little cocky and you know,

00:14:45 in back your head, like you're not really that guy, man.

00:14:48 So it came off as kind of weird.

00:14:49 If you watch Javon Baker,

00:14:51 it's like, I understand why he's cocky.

00:14:53 He clearly puts the work in and he's got a crazy skillset.

00:14:56 So yeah, I mean, you can be offended by it if you want,

00:14:59 but this is a dude who backs up what he says.

00:15:01 So yeah, a hundred percent.

00:15:03 Brian, your thoughts?

00:15:06 - I mean, I talked about a little earlier,

00:15:07 like I love the fit with Drake May.

00:15:09 I think he can give you that X body type you need,

00:15:12 but maybe a little more versatile than like a Devante Parker

00:15:15 who, when he's out there, he's only going to be

00:15:17 on the boundary as you know, Taylor said.

00:15:19 Baker said he can move around a little bit.

00:15:22 And I love that he's has a connection

00:15:24 with Drake May already, right?

00:15:25 From when they were both committed to Alabama

00:15:27 in like 2019, 2020, they worked out together

00:15:31 a good amount of time.

00:15:31 He said May texted him right away.

00:15:34 So I really liked that connection.

00:15:35 And that was probably my favorite pick

00:15:37 on yesterday with Baker.

00:15:40 - We're going to get into that.

00:15:40 We're going to do like pound for pound favorite picks,

00:15:42 but we got the 70 pick gap here.

00:15:44 So what a perfect time.

00:15:46 And I remembered this time, how about that?

00:15:48 What a perfect time for us to pause

00:15:50 and hear from our friends.

00:15:51 And then we'll get back with the late day three picks.

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00:16:52 - All right, back on the board with pick 180, Marcellus Dial.

00:17:02 So this was the guy I probably did the least amount

00:17:05 of work on coming in.

00:17:06 There's always one guy that kind of slips under the radar.

00:17:09 They're low defense. - You do all the work.

00:17:13 You do all the work.

00:17:13 You're like, I'm gonna cover the entire thing

00:17:15 and make sure I know everyone.

00:17:16 And then they throw someone at you.

00:17:17 It's like, oh, what the hell?

00:17:18 - And it's always six round corner.

00:17:20 Like it was a mirror speed last year.

00:17:22 So Dial, really good frame for a corner.

00:17:25 Six foot, 190, 32 inch arms,

00:17:28 productive on the ball last year.

00:17:30 Very clean player.

00:17:32 Didn't take a lot of penalties,

00:17:34 but he's just gonna need to be more nuanced

00:17:36 in his movements at the next level

00:17:38 to keep up with NFL wide receivers.

00:17:40 I think he could be a better tackler,

00:17:42 but there might be some special teams value.

00:17:44 I know the Patriots, when they tweeted out the pick,

00:17:47 they labeled him as a safety.

00:17:49 I was told not to read into that.

00:17:51 Maybe he plays a little safety,

00:17:53 but he played almost exclusively boundary corner

00:17:56 in his career in college.

00:17:57 And I would think outside of special teams,

00:17:59 and he's gonna have to play special teams to make the team.

00:18:02 But when he gets looks on defense,

00:18:03 I would expect it to be initially at least

00:18:06 primarily at boundary corner.

00:18:08 Mike, we haven't started with you yet.

00:18:10 - Yeah, well, that was my initial thought.

00:18:12 And again, when I wrote up my roster,

00:18:15 I have him on the team,

00:18:16 but right now I wrote him as a safety.

00:18:18 And that's new information as far as what you just said

00:18:20 to consider him as a corner.

00:18:21 But you look at them not really addressing free safety yet.

00:18:26 Like, yeah, they signed Jalen Hawkins,

00:18:28 but I look at Dial as someone who could contribute there too

00:18:31 and just be an overall defensive back

00:18:33 and also contribute on special teams.

00:18:35 So if there was one position, right,

00:18:37 they did take one defender.

00:18:39 If there was one position on the defense

00:18:40 that they should have hit,

00:18:41 I would say it's corner.

00:18:42 It's the number one need on that side of the football.

00:18:45 So I like it.

00:18:46 Take a swing at a guy who will probably make the roster.

00:18:48 You still have a young room

00:18:50 with guys like Marco Wilson and Alex Austin there.

00:18:52 So it's Christian Gonzalez and a gap.

00:18:56 So you kind of want to build that up as much as possible.

00:18:58 So again, they were gonna take one defender at that spot.

00:19:00 I liked that it was a corner.

00:19:02 - Brian.

00:19:03 - Yeah, I mean, good size, like speed to play,

00:19:06 keep them along the boundary.

00:19:07 You mentioned the ball skills,

00:19:08 like 25 pass breakups over the last two years.

00:19:11 So just another one of these developmental guys,

00:19:13 like it's him, Isaiah Bolden, Alex Austin, Marco Wilson.

00:19:17 Like there's a spot up for grabs,

00:19:19 kind of that third corner, the third boundary corner.

00:19:22 And just let Mike Pellegrino cook with these guys.

00:19:25 Just get them in the room and let Mike Pellegrino cook

00:19:28 because he's had success with guys like this.

00:19:30 So take as many shots as you want

00:19:32 on these kind of developmental corners

00:19:34 with some intriguing athletic skill sets

00:19:37 and see what happens.

00:19:39 - Yeah, so Taylor,

00:19:39 the group on the boundary behind Gonzo

00:19:41 is getting kind of crowded.

00:19:42 We'll see if Jonathan Jones plays on the outside

00:19:44 or in the slot, but then you have Alex Austin,

00:19:46 Marco Wilson, Sean Wade, we'll throw Dial in there.

00:19:49 Isaiah Bolden is gonna come back

00:19:51 right after the season ending injury last year.

00:19:54 How does Dial fit into that group to you?

00:19:57 - Well, I think the fact that he has experience

00:19:59 in the slot and it's safety,

00:20:00 and I asked Gerard Mayo, like, where do you see his role?

00:20:03 And he's gonna be a versatile player for them.

00:20:05 That's why I listed him as a DB,

00:20:06 because I feel like with all these buddies they have,

00:20:09 they don't really desperately need someone to fill a role,

00:20:11 but I think Jonathan Jones

00:20:13 is probably going back into the slot.

00:20:15 I just don't think you can rely on Marcus Jones, honestly.

00:20:18 I really liked what we saw from his rookie year,

00:20:21 but between the health and the inconsistency

00:20:22 that we saw last season,

00:20:24 I'd probably put Jonathan Jones into that

00:20:26 and then make it a competition,

00:20:27 'cause you said Isaiah Bolden, Alex Austin,

00:20:30 and then Marcellas Dial,

00:20:31 I think are probably gonna be

00:20:32 at the head of that competition.

00:20:34 Marco Wilson gives you a veteran presence there.

00:20:36 But I really like the skill set.

00:20:38 Like, a lot of things he needs to work on

00:20:39 are things that are intangible,

00:20:42 where it's like, I know processing was a bit of an issue.

00:20:44 I'd like to see him turn more of those

00:20:45 pass breakups and interceptions.

00:20:47 He had three two seasons ago,

00:20:48 but didn't have any other interceptions

00:20:50 in his college career,

00:20:51 but did have double-digit pass breakups.

00:20:53 So that tells you he's clearly smart

00:20:54 and he's clearly athletic enough to stick with guys,

00:20:57 'cause you're not getting double-digit,

00:20:58 I don't care, especially in the SEC,

00:20:59 you're not getting double-digit pass breakups

00:21:01 if you're not a good player.

00:21:02 So he does give them versatility, flexibility,

00:21:04 which I really like.

00:21:05 And then when we get into special teams in his career,

00:21:07 he's on field goal block, punt coverage, and punt return.

00:21:11 Not a ton, but he does have experience there.

00:21:13 So I do like that, you know, if you're a sixth round pick,

00:21:15 you're gonna have to have some special teams value

00:21:17 more often than not.

00:21:18 So he gives you that.

00:21:19 Seems like he has a great attitude.

00:21:21 It was nice to hear that the Patriots-

00:21:22 - He was a ton of fun.

00:21:24 - Yeah, he was all these guys.

00:21:25 I don't, there wasn't any pick that we ever-

00:21:27 - Warren's story was awesome.

00:21:29 - Yeah, he's just like, "Yeah, I was at the Hibachi place."

00:21:32 By the way, Saga rules, good spot.

00:21:33 - Yeah.

00:21:34 - Didn't know that he was on the team either,

00:21:36 which is really funny.

00:21:37 - Yeah, he was just like, "Oh, look at this guy."

00:21:40 But then like, how did that come up?

00:21:42 Or I guess he's like, "What do you do?"

00:21:44 You know, "Oh, I'm from out of town.

00:21:45 I'm visiting the Patriots pre-draft probably," right?

00:21:47 - Yeah.

00:21:48 - He was probably wearing some expensive sunglasses.

00:21:49 He's like, "How's this dude afford?"

00:21:50 They're like, "Who is this guy?"

00:21:52 - That's true.

00:21:52 KB's got the glasses going.

00:21:54 That's it, I mean, he's all, the whole fit's usually-

00:21:56 - They probably gave him a Born Blessed t-shirt too.

00:21:58 (all laughing)

00:21:59 - Yeah, I got some in my car.

00:22:02 - They're gonna walk in,

00:22:03 they're all gonna have the Born Blessed towels

00:22:04 hanging in their locker.

00:22:05 - Yeah, exactly.

00:22:07 - Any last thoughts on Marcelo's dial?

00:22:09 - Like Taylor said, I like spin the dial now, Alex.

00:22:13 You got me on that because you call them a DB,

00:22:15 you can play them anywhere, it doesn't matter.

00:22:17 Throw them all in the room and see what happens.

00:22:18 So yeah, I like the pick.

00:22:20 - All right.

00:22:22 - He chose Belichick's third biggest position of need.

00:22:24 So there you go.

00:22:25 - There you go, they checked off Belichick's three boxes.

00:22:28 All right, 193.

00:22:30 - Take it away.

00:22:31 - 13 picks later.

00:22:32 - Have it, have it.

00:22:33 - Joe Milton, quarterback, Tennessee.

00:22:36 - I wrote last night kind of my expanded thoughts

00:22:39 on Joe Milton, 'cause I'll be honest,

00:22:40 I didn't think the Patriots were gonna take Joe Milton.

00:22:42 He's a fun player.

00:22:44 - A thousand plus words, expanded thoughts.

00:22:46 - The Drake May takeaways were longer, I checked.

00:22:49 - Okay.

00:22:50 - Which I was actually surprised

00:22:52 'cause we talked so much about Drake May leading up

00:22:54 that I thought I had gotten all my thoughts out

00:22:55 on Drake May.

00:22:57 I didn't think the Patriots were gonna take Joe Milton.

00:22:59 I thought they were just gonna take one quarterback

00:23:01 and be done with it.

00:23:01 And I thought they liked Zappi to an extent as the backup.

00:23:05 So I wasn't necessarily prepared for that,

00:23:08 but so I sat down, I thought,

00:23:11 and by the way, everybody who reached out to me,

00:23:14 I heard from more people than I did on my birthday

00:23:16 when they drafted Joe Milton.

00:23:17 So everybody, if I didn't get back to you, I'm sorry.

00:23:20 It was like, I wrote the thing up.

00:23:21 I looked at my phone, it was nuts.

00:23:22 I saw him, I try to find as many as I can.

00:23:25 I appreciate it.

00:23:26 You know how we tier players in the draft, right?

00:23:32 Like last year it was Zay Flowers

00:23:34 and tomorrow Douglas was day three Zay.

00:23:36 Joe Milton is basically day three Drake May.

00:23:40 That's basically what his skill set is.

00:23:41 Now he's older, there's much less of a ceiling there,

00:23:45 but he has some unique traits.

00:23:47 And part of the reason I was out on Joe Milton

00:23:49 to the Patriots, I had said,

00:23:50 like I didn't want the Patriots to draft him.

00:23:52 I thought he was going top 150.

00:23:54 I thought one of these teams

00:23:56 that wasn't an immediate quarterback team,

00:23:58 but a team like the Giants or the Raiders or the Saints,

00:24:00 where it's like, we may need a quarterback

00:24:02 in a year or two, may take that flyer and be like,

00:24:05 well, you know, before we go back to the carousel,

00:24:07 let's just kick the tires on this guy.

00:24:09 Instead, we got this historic run.

00:24:11 It was literally the longest gap

00:24:12 in NFL draft history without quarterbacks.

00:24:15 And I think teams are, we've talked,

00:24:17 I've talked about this with all three of you

00:24:19 in different shows during the pre-draft process.

00:24:22 Quarterbacks, take them first, take them last.

00:24:24 The day two quarterback doesn't do anything.

00:24:26 And I think that's going to be extinct.

00:24:28 So Joe Milton falls at 193.

00:24:31 So I thought, you know, the Patriots have taken 137,

00:24:33 too early.

00:24:34 When you get down at 193, sixth and seventh round,

00:24:37 you're drafting, unless you're taking a special teams guy,

00:24:39 unless you're trying to find like a Matthew Slater,

00:24:41 you're taking a kicker or a punter,

00:24:43 you're basically just drafting individual traits.

00:24:46 A lot of the times the approach there is,

00:24:48 this guy does this one thing very well,

00:24:50 let's draft him and see if we can turn that one thing

00:24:53 into, you know, a sustainable role on our team.

00:24:58 And I would argue of all the individual traits

00:25:01 in this draft, there may not be one that's more impressive

00:25:04 than Joe Milton's arm strength.

00:25:06 I think it's Joe Milton's arm strength,

00:25:07 it's Xavier Worthy's speed.

00:25:09 Those were probably the two,

00:25:11 and I guess Tavondre Sweat's power, size, power, strength.

00:25:14 It's an elite, elite to your trait.

00:25:19 Now, there's a lot around that,

00:25:21 that are the reasons he fell in the sixth round.

00:25:22 His accuracy needs work, his decision-making needs work,

00:25:25 his footwork needs work,

00:25:26 and he's been in college for six years

00:25:28 and hasn't had a ton of growth.

00:25:30 But I do think there's a role for him.

00:25:32 I think there's a role,

00:25:33 it's a role Jacoby Brissette actually had in Indy

00:25:35 when he backed up Andrew Luck.

00:25:37 Yes, Drake May's a bigger guy and he can move,

00:25:39 but quarterback takes a beating on those plays.

00:25:42 So why not send six, five, 230-pound Joe Milton out there

00:25:45 for the tush push or the quarterback sneak?

00:25:47 Maybe you put a little goal line package in for him,

00:25:50 like, you know, bring back the Cam Newton goal line package,

00:25:52 he can run that.

00:25:53 Drake May has a big arm, Joe Milton's arm's bigger.

00:25:56 He's your Hail Mary quarterback.

00:25:58 And then you see where it goes from there.

00:25:59 If you develop him, maybe you get something for him.

00:26:02 Maybe you trade him, a team, you know,

00:26:03 likes what they see, they take a shot.

00:26:04 So the Packer way is always draft quarterbacks.

00:26:09 You can never draft too many quarterbacks.

00:26:11 It's, you know, they want you taking at least one every year.

00:26:13 And even if you have a guy late rounds, just take a flyer

00:26:16 because having a quarterback that is good,

00:26:20 but not at the top of your depth chart

00:26:22 is like the best problem you can have.

00:26:25 And so Joe Milton was the best quarterback on the board.

00:26:28 Why not?

00:26:29 Like he's gonna do things

00:26:31 that no other player in this draft could do.

00:26:33 I see somebody say,

00:26:34 "You could have gotten that out of UDFA."

00:26:35 You couldn't.

00:26:36 That's just the reality, you couldn't.

00:26:38 So that's where I'm at with Joe Milton.

00:26:40 Maybe it blows up in our face.

00:26:41 We get like three entertaining preseason games and that's it.

00:26:44 But I understand the pick and for where they got him.

00:26:48 - I love how much you love this pick.

00:26:49 I love how you can just keep going on it.

00:26:50 - If they'd done it at 137, I'd feel...

00:26:54 - What's a better pick, Joe Milton here

00:26:56 or Michael Penix at eight?

00:26:58 - Michael Penix at eight, he's a better quarterback.

00:27:00 But you know what, 193, you took a trait.

00:27:03 Good trait.

00:27:04 Go from there, we'll see what happens.

00:27:06 - It's fine.

00:27:07 Could they have tried to fill a bigger need

00:27:11 with another dart throw?

00:27:12 Sure, but like you said, at 193, why not?

00:27:15 And we talked about it last night on Draft Central,

00:27:18 me and Taylor and John, when it happened,

00:27:20 is it gonna beat out Bayleys Zapper for the third spot?

00:27:24 I don't know, maybe.

00:27:25 But then Ian Rappaport dangles the fact

00:27:27 that they could try and trade Zappy.

00:27:29 So if you can get something for Zappy,

00:27:30 then that's another element and then it's worth it.

00:27:33 I don't know if they're just gonna go two quarterbacks

00:27:35 ultimately with Brissette and May.

00:27:37 You think they keep a third just for injury purposes

00:27:39 and having somebody else in the room.

00:27:41 Or Joe Milton doesn't make the team

00:27:43 and they can practice squad him and go from there.

00:27:45 So-

00:27:46 - Remember the emergency third quarterback now

00:27:48 can come from the practice squad.

00:27:50 - Oh yeah, that's right.

00:27:51 - That's where I think Joe Milton's gonna be

00:27:53 when the season starts.

00:27:53 - Yeah, so- - I don't think anyone's

00:27:55 trying to poach him.

00:27:56 Like everybody knows he's not ready to play yet.

00:27:59 - But if he does play well in preseason,

00:28:01 the Patriots don't find a spot for him

00:28:03 and then somebody just claims him.

00:28:04 That's the risk you have to take.

00:28:06 And so-

00:28:07 - You might be able to trade him.

00:28:08 If he plays well in the preseason,

00:28:09 you might be able to trade him.

00:28:10 You might be able to get a six round pick.

00:28:11 You're not gonna get a lot.

00:28:12 But if you get a six round-

00:28:13 - Is this Malik Cunningham all over again right now?

00:28:15 - No, that's exactly what it is.

00:28:17 That's exactly what it is.

00:28:19 But I would argue more exciting.

00:28:22 - But we're also assuming that in the span

00:28:23 of a few months, he's gonna make some massive jump

00:28:26 that he didn't in like several years in college.

00:28:28 Like, yes, he has a big arm.

00:28:30 Like, especially like at the combine,

00:28:32 I know he was kind of hesitating on some of those deep throws

00:28:35 to show his accuracy or like his arm.

00:28:37 But one, he lacks touch.

00:28:39 His accuracy is all over the place.

00:28:41 And he's like always late.

00:28:43 I feel like he's trying to show off,

00:28:45 but it's like, dude, you're throwing it like well,

00:28:47 like I feel like a full second after he's supposed to,

00:28:50 which just makes the margin for error even slimmer.

00:28:52 So, and then on other throws, I think, you know,

00:28:55 there were some flashes in games I watched,

00:28:57 but I don't see how he makes the roster.

00:29:00 And I really don't think that he's,

00:29:02 I think he's gonna be entertaining in the preseason.

00:29:03 He's gonna have some fun plays,

00:29:04 but I think you're also gonna be like, yeah,

00:29:05 this is why this guy was taken in the sixth round.

00:29:08 He's got some legitimate flaws in his game as a passer,

00:29:12 although he's super athletic.

00:29:13 - We'll see, I'm not sitting here telling you

00:29:15 he's going to, you know, Kirk Cousins Drake me.

00:29:19 That's, let me be perfectly clear about that.

00:29:22 I'm just saying in the sixth round,

00:29:23 you're drafting traits and you're seeing

00:29:25 what you can get out of those traits.

00:29:27 And as far as individual traits go,

00:29:29 they took a top three overall trait in the draft.

00:29:33 Yes, if you need somebody to throw it five yards,

00:29:35 they'll throw it eight.

00:29:36 Yeah, so in that sense, great, we'll see what happens.

00:29:43 It's gonna be entertaining in camp.

00:29:44 It's gonna be entertaining in the preseason.

00:29:46 I don't know if it gets any further than that,

00:29:47 but it's a sixth round pick, whatever.

00:29:49 I wouldn't say they wasted the pick.

00:29:52 - Oh yeah, no, definitely not waste.

00:29:55 He's interesting.

00:29:56 He's gonna be, I think he's a good,

00:29:58 what do you call it, practice squad guy.

00:30:00 Like Josh Allen, that's a pretty damn good.

00:30:03 - Well, let's also remember too,

00:30:05 that they put this whole draft,

00:30:08 it's been character players, leadership players.

00:30:11 They got guys that were like,

00:30:13 like played multiple years in college.

00:30:15 They got guys who were around for a while,

00:30:16 not too many younger guys outside of May.

00:30:19 Milton's been in college for six years.

00:30:21 He's widely regarded as like this great leader,

00:30:23 this great character, a guy that,

00:30:25 his teammates rally around.

00:30:27 So he fits that mold.

00:30:29 He fits that mold too.

00:30:30 - Can we throw the tight end transition in here?

00:30:34 I know he said he wouldn't play it.

00:30:35 I know he said- - And by the way,

00:30:37 thanks for the super chat.

00:30:38 We're gonna get to the UDF phase at the end.

00:30:39 Just wanna throw that in there.

00:30:40 - Yeah, as far as the tight end transition, right?

00:30:43 He said he wasn't gonna do it.

00:30:44 He said teams haven't talked about it.

00:30:46 I don't know if that's actually in the Patriots plans.

00:30:49 Droghmeo said they're gonna use him as a quarterback.

00:30:52 But you talk about a guy who does what he will

00:30:55 for the team to win, good leader, stuff like that.

00:30:58 Don't Tim Tebow this, Joe Milton.

00:31:00 If they ask you to play tight end,

00:31:01 try and play tight end and stay in the NFL, right?

00:31:04 - But I don't, everybody just assumes he'll play tight end.

00:31:07 I don't know that he's that smooth of a mover,

00:31:09 that he's gonna be able to like get open in the route tree.

00:31:11 If anything, he's a running back, I guess.

00:31:14 But he's too big to be a running back.

00:31:16 Like I think he is a quarterback.

00:31:18 - No, I agree.

00:31:19 - Everybody's just assuming tight end.

00:31:22 I think that he's gotta change his body type a lot

00:31:25 and really work on his footwork

00:31:27 if he wants to play tight end.

00:31:28 - It's true.

00:31:29 And then when we talk about that transition,

00:31:31 anytime it comes up, people who actually play the position

00:31:34 are like, you're really underestimating.

00:31:36 These, there's people who've been playing this position

00:31:38 most of their lives and are still working at it.

00:31:40 So we need to acknowledge the fact

00:31:43 that it is not easy to switch positions.

00:31:45 Some people are just freak athletes

00:31:46 and it's easier for them.

00:31:47 And like, those guys are outliers

00:31:50 who go from playing quarterback and then are effectively,

00:31:52 like who was the guy who used to be a Raiders quarterback

00:31:54 who turned into like a dominant receiver for a couple of-

00:31:56 - Terrell Pryor.

00:31:56 - Oh, Terrell Pryor.

00:31:57 But he didn't even play receiver in college too.

00:31:58 I think he went back and forth between the two.

00:32:00 - The Logan Thomas transition was incredible.

00:32:02 - Logan Thomas-

00:32:03 - He really made it happen.

00:32:04 And he was really solid for them.

00:32:05 - Logan Thomas is the worst thing that ever happened

00:32:08 to big body, slightly mobile quarterbacks.

00:32:10 - Yeah, seriously.

00:32:11 - In this broad side of a barn.

00:32:12 'Cause remember Tyree Jackson, you guys might be,

00:32:14 that might've been a little before you started covering-

00:32:16 - Yeah, Buffalo, right.

00:32:16 - Buffalo had this quarterback that was like 6'8"

00:32:19 and ran like a 4'5" 40.

00:32:21 Evan was, we met him at the Superbowl once.

00:32:23 There's a funny picture somewhere

00:32:24 of Evan standing next to him looking up.

00:32:26 But, everyone's like, "Oh, it'll be a tight end.

00:32:28 He'll be a tight end."

00:32:29 I think he's been trying to translate to tight end,

00:32:31 but he keeps tearing his ACL 'cause it's just not,

00:32:33 you know, he doesn't know how to move at that position.

00:32:36 So Logan Thomas ruined it for every,

00:32:39 remember the Patriots tried to make Danny Etling

00:32:40 a tight end at one point?

00:32:41 - Yeah.

00:32:43 - Like everybody just assumes,

00:32:44 "Oh, you can't play quarterback, go play tight end."

00:32:45 Like it's not, it's really not that easy.

00:32:48 (laughing)

00:32:49 All right, speaking of another player

00:32:52 who may or may not be a tight end.

00:32:54 Huh, all right, so you wanna read into the Patriots listing

00:32:58 Marcellus Dial as a safety?

00:33:03 Patriots.com has Jaheim Bell listed as a defensive back.

00:33:06 I think that's a typo.

00:33:07 But seventh round, 231st overall, Jaheim Bell.

00:33:10 Now look, I don't know what position Jaheim Bell plays.

00:33:14 - Like free safety.

00:33:15 - He played tight end in college,

00:33:17 but I think if you ask five different scouts

00:33:20 what they see his role as in the NFL,

00:33:23 you'd get five different answers.

00:33:25 He's not quite a tight end.

00:33:27 He's not quite a big slot.

00:33:29 He's not quite a running back,

00:33:30 but he can do some fullback even,

00:33:33 but he can do the things,

00:33:35 some things you want in all of those roles.

00:33:37 And I think that's probably part of the reason he fell

00:33:40 is because anytime you draft a guy,

00:33:42 you wanna have a plan for him.

00:33:43 I think some teams with more established offenses

00:33:46 looked at him and said, "We don't, you know,

00:33:47 yeah, he's athletic,

00:33:48 but what the hell are we gonna do with this guy?"

00:33:50 Whereas the Patriots who are building up this new offense

00:33:52 are in a unique position where they can,

00:33:55 if he makes it work out,

00:33:57 create a role just for Jaheim Bell.

00:33:59 'Cause the one thing we know about him,

00:34:01 if you get the ball in his hands,

00:34:03 he's gonna make something happen.

00:34:04 That's what he does.

00:34:05 So we'll see ultimately how they end up using him.

00:34:07 I've seen the John Newcombs.

00:34:08 I don't think those are terrible.

00:34:10 The one other thing that stands out to me about Jaheim Bell

00:34:13 is, and we just talked about how Logan Thomas

00:34:17 ruined like big physical quarterbacks.

00:34:20 Puka Naku is the greatest thing to ever happen

00:34:24 to bad combine testers.

00:34:25 'Cause Puka Naku had a horrible combine.

00:34:27 The Rams went back, looked at the tape,

00:34:29 looked at the next gen testing and said,

00:34:31 "Oh, those numbers are lying.

00:34:32 He's way more athletic than that."

00:34:33 And now every guy that is a bad combine,

00:34:35 especially these guys that we think are athletes,

00:34:37 which by the way, the Rams pulled that off last year.

00:34:39 They draft Cam Kitchens who also had a bad combine.

00:34:42 They might be on to something,

00:34:43 but there's gonna be a lot of people

00:34:45 that look at Jaheim Bell and say,

00:34:46 "Is he this year's Puka Naku?"

00:34:48 'Cause he ran like, I think a four, five, 540,

00:34:51 whatever it is.

00:34:52 You watch him on tape.

00:34:53 He's not Xavier worthy,

00:34:55 but he's more explosive than that, clearly.

00:34:58 He's gotta find a role.

00:34:59 He's gotta grow within that role,

00:35:01 but he's a moldable ball of clay.

00:35:03 And in the seventh round, it's tremendous value.

00:35:05 Taylor, you though seem not to agree with me

00:35:08 on Bell's athleticism.

00:35:10 - I mean, so I think the reason he slipped, like you said,

00:35:13 he's a weapon.

00:35:14 I don't think he's like a dynamic athlete,

00:35:16 which is kind of a rough combination

00:35:19 if you're talking about drafting guy

00:35:20 before the seventh round.

00:35:21 Now, I think he does have skills.

00:35:23 I think he's tough after the catch,

00:35:24 like has a knack for making that first guy miss.

00:35:26 He'll stiff arm you, he'll run through contact.

00:35:28 He liked that.

00:35:29 He did flash some downfield ability.

00:35:31 They didn't use him a ton that way at FSU,

00:35:32 but like he made some tough adjustments.

00:35:34 And I was like, "Okay, like he's not just this guy.

00:35:36 They're feeding him underneath

00:35:37 'cause he can't catch downfield."

00:35:39 I think he's more athletic in that sense.

00:35:41 While he is athletic, I don't think he's like super explosive

00:35:44 like as a running back, I saw some clips of that.

00:35:47 I didn't, he didn't have any like crazy runs

00:35:49 where I'm like, "Oh," like Sione Bakke,

00:35:50 where I kind of had a similar mindset

00:35:52 where I'm like, "All right, they're using him here

00:35:54 because he can, but not because he excels at it."

00:35:56 I was like, "No, Bakke's legit.

00:35:57 He can do two things."

00:35:59 I think Jaheim Bell can do a bunch of things,

00:36:01 but in my write-up, I said,

00:36:02 "It's gonna take good coaching and good deployment

00:36:05 where you have to give him,

00:36:07 like you don't want him in line blocking,

00:36:09 you know, defensive ends or anything.

00:36:11 If you're gonna have him as your move guy,

00:36:13 I think you'd want to give him angles

00:36:15 where he more gets in the way

00:36:16 than is trying to move people."

00:36:18 Where I think they're gonna use him in like Harrison Bryant,

00:36:20 where Harrison Bryant in Alex Van Velt's offense

00:36:22 was like a fullback.

00:36:23 They used him on quarterback sneaks.

00:36:25 They split him out sometimes, use him in the slot.

00:36:27 Where like Harrison Bryant, who's much more athletic,

00:36:30 but like not a great football player overall,

00:36:32 I think that Jaheim Bell is a good football player,

00:36:35 but he has significant limitations

00:36:36 where it's like in every role that you want to put him in,

00:36:39 there's stuff he doesn't do super well

00:36:41 where it's like, "All right, what's the situation?

00:36:43 What are we trying to get accomplished?"

00:36:44 And then you put him in there.

00:36:46 But in the seventh round, I was like, "Hell yeah."

00:36:48 I didn't like people taking him in fourth and fifth.

00:36:50 I'm like, "That's not good value,"

00:36:52 'cause I think he's gonna play like 30% of your stats

00:36:54 at best.

00:36:56 But at the same time, you know,

00:36:57 he is a good football player

00:36:58 and I'd like to see what he can do

00:37:00 in maybe an expanded role,

00:37:01 especially downfield in certain sets.

00:37:03 But yeah, you know, he's just not really graded anything,

00:37:07 which is why he got taken in the seventh round.

00:37:10 - Still good value though for 231, right?

00:37:13 - Yeah.

00:37:14 - So yeah, I agree with you.

00:37:15 Like he's not a dynamic athlete.

00:37:17 I think he's more like a straight line speed type of guy.

00:37:20 Like ran like a 4-6-1.

00:37:22 He had a sub 1-6-10 yard split,

00:37:24 but maybe like that short area change of direction

00:37:26 is in his game.

00:37:27 So he's a good pass catcher, right?

00:37:29 Like he'd be a good option like up the seams,

00:37:32 but the blocking does,

00:37:33 like I thought they might target a blocker.

00:37:36 Like we were talking like Tip Raymond a lot

00:37:38 who went like really high.

00:37:39 - Tip Raymond top 100, smash mouth football,

00:37:41 not dead yet, baby.

00:37:42 - Real ball is back, but yeah,

00:37:44 like he's really small for the size.

00:37:46 He's more of an H back.

00:37:47 Like you're not gonna play this guy in line

00:37:49 at the tight end spot.

00:37:50 So that was the thing I thought they would target

00:37:52 at that tight end spot.

00:37:53 But yeah, he's a good football player

00:37:55 and it is really good value there in the seventh round.

00:37:57 - Yeah, I'll just third or even fourth

00:37:59 now the value portion of it, right?

00:38:01 Like they went down there to Florida State,

00:38:03 they visit with them.

00:38:04 There was reported visits.

00:38:05 I believe he came up for a top 30.

00:38:07 So like they liked this player.

00:38:08 And I wonder if as the draft went on, right?

00:38:11 You know, they sit there at 193 call it

00:38:13 and maybe they're looking and say,

00:38:14 well, King Bell's still here,

00:38:15 but do we really like him enough?

00:38:17 They go with Joe Milton and then 231 comes around.

00:38:19 It's like, just take a good football player.

00:38:21 You mentioned it earlier, Alex.

00:38:23 At this point, you just take traits.

00:38:24 At this point, you just take, you know,

00:38:26 things that can work.

00:38:27 And if you have to cut the guy, you have to cut the guy.

00:38:28 It's not a, you know, necessarily a valuable spot at 231.

00:38:31 If he doesn't work out.

00:38:32 So, you know, again, at that, at that position,

00:38:35 you take someone who's just can play football

00:38:37 and you try and mold them into something

00:38:39 over the next three, four months

00:38:40 until cut down day and go from there.

00:38:42 So I liked it at 231.

00:38:43 If they took them earlier,

00:38:44 probably feel a little bit different.

00:38:46 - And what another guy,

00:38:47 who's are really quick things.

00:38:50 I seen Kyle Uschek comparisons.

00:38:51 He's not Kyle Uschek.

00:38:52 - Yeah.

00:38:53 - No one is closer to Johnny Smith than Kyle Uschek.

00:38:56 - Right.

00:38:57 Cause he's got that kind of Johnny stiffness

00:38:58 where it's like, yeah, he can do things,

00:39:00 but he just doesn't move well enough to, I think,

00:39:02 be like, Uschek's whole thing is he's undersized,

00:39:04 but he's crazy physical and flexible.

00:39:06 I don't think Jaheim Bell is that level of physical,

00:39:09 but another thing to his credit is,

00:39:11 Dane Brugler mentioned that he got to Tuscaloosa,

00:39:13 made a very quick impact and was really well liked early on

00:39:16 and like teammates embraced him

00:39:18 and he was a good member of the locker room.

00:39:20 - So there you go again.

00:39:21 - Seventh round pick,

00:39:21 that's a really, another good character addition.

00:39:23 That's clearly something he wants.

00:39:24 So I think that's another thing to take into consideration

00:39:26 where even if he's not playing a ton of snaps,

00:39:28 he does give you a guy who's going to be, you know,

00:39:31 a positive presence on the roster.

00:39:33 - And he'll play special teams.

00:39:35 The thing is like, he's big enough

00:39:36 where if you teach him to tackle, he can become, you know,

00:39:39 maybe he becomes Brandon Bolden, right?

00:39:41 Same body type.

00:39:43 He's going to be a player that's fun in the preseason.

00:39:45 Cause we're good.

00:39:46 I bet in the preseason,

00:39:47 they're going to play him in a bunch of different spots

00:39:49 to see kind of where he looks good,

00:39:51 what he's succeeding at, what he's not.

00:39:53 Maybe it'll be a little Jordan Humphrey there.

00:39:55 And then basically at the end of the preseason,

00:39:57 we'll have to decide, is this real

00:39:58 or is it just, it was the preseason?

00:40:00 Cause you know, when you get in

00:40:01 and the same goes for Joe Milton too.

00:40:03 When you get into the second half of these preseason games,

00:40:06 these guys are going to be among the best players

00:40:08 on the field because they,

00:40:10 that's just what they were in college.

00:40:11 And at that point, you're really looking at

00:40:13 across the board, college level talent, Joe Milton,

00:40:15 most games he played in was the top 10, 15 player

00:40:17 on the field.

00:40:18 He said the same thing about Jaheim Bell.

00:40:20 It's very different in the NFL, but when you're in that,

00:40:22 you know, those late preseason games, it's different.

00:40:24 So I think those are two guys that are really going to tear

00:40:27 it up in the preseason.

00:40:28 And we're just going to kind of have to figure out

00:40:30 how much of that is real, how much of that isn't.

00:40:32 And that's of course the challenge that comes along

00:40:34 with the preseason.

00:40:35 So that's the picture.

00:40:37 - Maximize those guys,

00:40:38 you need a creative offensive coordinator.

00:40:40 Like you can't have a guy who just is going to be

00:40:42 straight ahead like Jaheim Bell or off ball guy.

00:40:45 Alex Van Pelt, if you watch his film,

00:40:47 he doesn't get a lot of credit

00:40:48 and nobody talks about him like this.

00:40:50 He like, I think the Browns led the league

00:40:52 or at the top of the league in trick plays.

00:40:54 I know Alex, you mentioned like how Joe Milton

00:40:57 can kind of factor in and maybe some different

00:40:59 quarterback run packages and things like that.

00:41:01 There was Harrison Bryant, Kareem Hunt

00:41:03 were playing quarterback in like different Wildcat

00:41:05 and stuff like that.

00:41:06 Like Alex Van Pelt knows how to use the talent on his roster.

00:41:10 And that's, what's exciting about the Jaheim Bell

00:41:12 and Joe Milton picks where if they can do something

00:41:14 and they excel in certain areas or, you know,

00:41:16 specific facets, Van Pelt's going to find him

00:41:18 and use him in that way.

00:41:19 - And specifically with Jaheim Bell, go ahead.

00:41:22 - You can go, you can go.

00:41:23 - Specifically with Jaheim Bell,

00:41:25 they've had trouble with scheme touch guys for years.

00:41:27 I mean, going back to McDaniel's,

00:41:29 it's just, it hasn't worked.

00:41:30 So another scheme touch guy,

00:41:32 we'll see if Van Pelt can unlock it.

00:41:34 I go back to, I mean, Evan talked about this on Catch 22,

00:41:37 play action leak is like a staple of their playbook.

00:41:40 And you have that second tight end that comes in motion

00:41:43 and goes underneath as kind of the check down.

00:41:45 Jaheim Bell's the ideal sort of player for that role.

00:41:48 What do you think of this comp though, guys?

00:41:49 Slow Debo Samuel.

00:41:51 (laughing)

00:41:52 - Okay, fine.

00:41:54 Taylor's processing it.

00:41:55 (laughing)

00:41:56 No, no.

00:41:57 - Stop with the Debo comps, please.

00:41:59 I'm sick of them.

00:42:01 If it's a joke, then like, good joke.

00:42:03 But I'm so sick of hearing Debo comps at this point.

00:42:05 - Any player that's not an outright pristine route runner

00:42:09 now is just instantly comped to Debo.

00:42:11 That's just the fallback comp.

00:42:13 - Did you see his number one comparison

00:42:16 on mock draftable, Jaheim Bell?

00:42:18 Patriots legend, Daniel Graham.

00:42:21 So.

00:42:21 - Okay. - Really?

00:42:22 - Yeah.

00:42:23 - I feel like he's, maybe I'm not giving

00:42:25 Daniel Graham enough credit.

00:42:27 I thought he was more athletic than that.

00:42:28 - Yeah, I was gonna say, Daniel Graham seems like more

00:42:30 of just like a big body.

00:42:31 - Daniel Graham was like a tackle.

00:42:33 - Yeah, exactly.

00:42:34 - All right, well, that's an interesting one.

00:42:36 How about Joe Milton, his favorite quarterback to watch,

00:42:39 being Brock Purdy?

00:42:40 (laughing)

00:42:41 You saw that one coming.

00:42:42 - That was fascinating.

00:42:43 - You know what, it makes sense though.

00:42:44 It makes sense.

00:42:45 It's like the worst part of his game.

00:42:46 He wants to get better at it.

00:42:47 He's watching somebody that's good at it.

00:42:48 - You can tell he tries.

00:42:50 Like when I was watching him,

00:42:51 just because he was so undefined,

00:42:53 or like so inaccurate,

00:42:54 I figured it was probably lower body.

00:42:56 It's like, no, he clearly like his drop back

00:42:59 kind of reminds me of Cam,

00:43:00 where it is like, it's kind of slow,

00:43:02 but it is very deliberate.

00:43:03 He keeps the wide base.

00:43:04 It's just, you know, everything else is a little wonky.

00:43:06 But when I heard it, I was like, no, I could see that.

00:43:08 And he also worked with Jordan Palmer,

00:43:10 which sometimes is a challenge.

00:43:12 So that was pretty interesting.

00:43:13 - No, he's like, he wants to be a quarterback.

00:43:15 He's not like, oh, I got to the NFL.

00:43:17 And you know, I'm not saying necessarily

00:43:19 he wouldn't do what it takes to help the team,

00:43:21 but he's not moving off quarterback easily.

00:43:23 Like he's here to be a quarterback.

00:43:25 And good for him, as he should be.

00:43:27 Go get your money, go get paid.

00:43:29 - When Chris Price was asking yesterday

00:43:30 about Joe Milton throwing oranges,

00:43:33 I had my hand raised and if they called on me next,

00:43:36 I was going to ask him if he thought

00:43:37 he could throw one over the lighthouse.

00:43:38 But then it got too far away from the question.

00:43:41 So I was like, this is just way too stupid

00:43:43 now that I put my head down.

00:43:45 - Well, we'll have to see.

00:43:46 He might be able to get one up there.

00:43:48 Like you put him at like the 50 yard line,

00:43:50 can he get one up there?

00:43:50 - A Drake May versus Joe Milton throwing competition.

00:43:53 - I'm sure it'll happen.

00:43:56 So, all right, eight picks in the books.

00:43:58 Give me like the pound for pound, where they took them,

00:44:03 how the player fits into the roster, all of that.

00:44:07 What do you think is the best pick,

00:44:08 your favorite pick in this draft?

00:44:10 Mike, we'll start with you

00:44:11 'cause you're just going to say Drake May.

00:44:13 (Mike laughs)

00:44:14 - No, I'm leaving that one to Brian.

00:44:15 I'll give Brian Drake May.

00:44:17 I really liked Jalen Polk.

00:44:18 - Okay.

00:44:19 - I really like how he fits.

00:44:20 He can be a do it all player.

00:44:22 He has the attitude, you know,

00:44:24 to come in and just grind it to seed.

00:44:26 Gerard Mayo said, you know,

00:44:27 he does all the dirty work as well as,

00:44:29 he's just like a, he doesn't draw passes.

00:44:31 He's a ball magnet.

00:44:32 Mina talked about it, Taylor.

00:44:33 We mentioned it the other day.

00:44:34 Like he just, he's always there catching the football.

00:44:37 And I like again that I mentioned it last night

00:44:40 or two nights, whenever it was, when we were on here,

00:44:42 that they were able to trade down a couple of spots

00:44:44 and still get them.

00:44:45 Then they moved up 27 spots

00:44:46 and they take Javon Baker at that spot.

00:44:48 So I'm not going to steal Javon Baker.

00:44:49 I'll let somebody else talk about Baker here.

00:44:50 But I think just-

00:44:51 - I think we know who it is, yeah.

00:44:52 - The way that, the way that that played out,

00:44:56 the way Wolf was able to use the board,

00:44:58 still get the guy they wanted

00:45:00 and then get another pick out of it,

00:45:01 mixed with his fit and in the system

00:45:04 and what, you know, how they can grow,

00:45:05 how he's going to grow with Drake May.

00:45:07 I love the Jaylen Polk pick at 37.

00:45:09 - All right, Taylor, I think we kind of spoiled yours.

00:45:10 So go for it.

00:45:11 I can tell you're ready to burst.

00:45:13 - It's Javon Baker.

00:45:14 I mean, it's not even like it's a surprise.

00:45:17 I've been hyping this guy up for like a month.

00:45:19 I really liked him.

00:45:20 I love the value.

00:45:21 I would have taken him in the third round.

00:45:23 I was thinking like second round, I'd heard that.

00:45:24 I felt like that was a little rich

00:45:26 because of his inconsistencies.

00:45:28 But people say if he had that Alabama helmet still,

00:45:30 he probably would have gone higher.

00:45:31 And we talked about you need an X

00:45:33 and more than just an X,

00:45:34 they haven't had a separator at X.

00:45:37 I don't even know how long it's been.

00:45:38 And that's kind of his game.

00:45:40 Watching him and thinking about it,

00:45:41 I was thinking he's like a less consistent,

00:45:43 less refined step on digs.

00:45:45 Where like they win with the route running,

00:45:47 they've got that dog in them.

00:45:48 They're really, the ball skills, again,

00:45:51 this is where the inconsistency comes in.

00:45:52 And that's a big part of Diggs' game.

00:45:53 So I'm not saying he is him.

00:45:55 We're like comparing Drake May

00:45:56 to Josh Allen and Justin Herbert.

00:45:58 So I feel like this isn't too far out there.

00:46:00 But that guy who can, he's better in the slot.

00:46:02 He's better at Z when you give him

00:46:04 those kinds of easier opportunities,

00:46:05 but he can separate at X.

00:46:07 Doesn't have great speed,

00:46:08 but is explosive enough that he can win.

00:46:10 And especially with the route running,

00:46:12 like he just embarrasses people.

00:46:14 And again, the attitude, man.

00:46:16 I love what he's gonna bring to the locker room.

00:46:18 So I, you know, keep the Tavon Baker praised to death,

00:46:22 but I just, I really do love that pick.

00:46:24 And I feel like he is exactly the kind of player

00:46:26 on and off the field that the offense needed.

00:46:29 - Can I give you, can I give you a comp form?

00:46:31 And maybe I'm dating myself here.

00:46:33 And let me also be clear.

00:46:34 I think this guy is one of the most underrated receivers

00:46:36 of like the last generation of receivers.

00:46:40 I think this guy's outstanding.

00:46:41 Brandon Lloyd, to me, pound for pound.

00:46:44 - He's missing a bit too, yep.

00:46:45 - Pound for pound, Brandon Lloyd might be the best

00:46:50 body control receiver I've ever seen.

00:46:53 - Yeah.

00:46:53 - You watch him go out over the sideline,

00:46:56 go outside of his frame and get a football.

00:46:59 He gets to everything.

00:47:00 He got to everything.

00:47:02 And I'm not just talking about his Patriots family.

00:47:03 You go back, you watch him in Denver.

00:47:05 You watch him in San Francisco.

00:47:06 There was not a ball he didn't believe he could catch.

00:47:11 And there was some juice after the catch too,

00:47:13 but you're right.

00:47:14 Steve Smith did have that comp.

00:47:15 So I sound like I'm stealing it.

00:47:16 But if you want to do yourself a favor,

00:47:20 go back, watch some like old school

00:47:22 Brandon Lloyd highlights.

00:47:23 - He was awesome.

00:47:24 - He's criminally underrated.

00:47:26 - The one thing about Victor's game

00:47:27 where I think he's lacking and needs to get a lot better

00:47:30 to really kind of reach that Brandon Lloyd

00:47:32 is footwork near the boundary.

00:47:34 - Yeah.

00:47:35 - You see a lot of times he is a college receiver

00:47:37 'cause he was only getting a foot in bounds

00:47:39 and it felt like he wasn't even thinking

00:47:40 about trying to get the other one in.

00:47:42 That's one area of his game where I feel like

00:47:43 he really needs to improve that to be a great ex receiver

00:47:47 because I just didn't see nearly enough times

00:47:49 where he even was trying to get both.

00:47:51 And Brandon Lloyd, that was one of the craziest parts

00:47:53 of his game where he's like legitimate ballerina

00:47:56 like toe tapping where he makes the full extension

00:47:58 and still knows where the sideline is

00:48:01 and somehow keeps both feet in bounds.

00:48:02 So that's, I think a pretty significant weakness

00:48:05 that Javon Bell has right now.

00:48:09 But yeah, in terms of like his ability

00:48:10 to make those stupid catches.

00:48:11 And it looks like it's completely subconscious.

00:48:14 Like he's got light hands where he'll just pluck it.

00:48:17 And you're like, I don't even think he planned to do that.

00:48:19 It was just a complete like secondary reaction

00:48:22 where clearly he practices those things.

00:48:24 But you know that little bit of refinement stuff.

00:48:26 - Ironically, so when I post these stories, right?

00:48:28 When I post the website,

00:48:29 especially when it's like the Patriots draft this guy post.

00:48:32 I always try to find like a cool picture.

00:48:34 Let's hype the guy up a little bit.

00:48:35 Let's get people excited.

00:48:36 And there's this awesome, awesome picture of Javon Baker

00:48:40 on USA Today where he's going up over an Alabama corner,

00:48:43 full extension over his head, making a catch in the end zone.

00:48:46 But his foot's halfway out of bounds.

00:48:47 And I knew if I posted it, every single reply would be,

00:48:50 he's out of bounds, it's not a catch.

00:48:52 So that's very fitting.

00:48:54 Brian, your favorite pick in the draft.

00:48:57 - I mean, it's not a surprise either.

00:48:59 And it's the easy pick, but it's Drake May.

00:49:01 He's been my favorite quarterback in this draft

00:49:03 since this time last year.

00:49:06 He was the easiest pick of the draft at number three there.

00:49:09 He's got all the physical tools you look for

00:49:12 and you want in a quarterback prospect

00:49:14 and that you need to compete in the NFL, in today's NFL,

00:49:17 especially in the AFC where they're just like,

00:49:19 every team seems to have an elite quarterback

00:49:22 with elite physical tools.

00:49:23 So they needed a guy like this.

00:49:25 They got him with Drake May.

00:49:27 If it doesn't work in three years

00:49:29 and we all look stupid and they look stupid,

00:49:30 like you still can't blame them for taking this pick.

00:49:33 It was the right pick.

00:49:34 It was the easiest pick and I'm pumped Drake May's here.

00:49:38 - You bust Drake May, Drake May doesn't bust.

00:49:41 - Right. - Yeah, exactly.

00:49:43 - I might surprise some people with my pick.

00:49:45 Honestly, it's Shaheen Bell.

00:49:47 I'm ready to believe.

00:49:49 I'm ready to believe that they're gonna get creative

00:49:51 with him and I think he could end up being,

00:49:53 you know, a lot of these guys

00:49:55 that are these kind of unique gadget players in the NFL,

00:49:59 they go late in the draft and everybody's like,

00:50:01 how did that happen?

00:50:02 'Cause you really need to have a vision

00:50:04 for a player like that.

00:50:05 You can't just plug him into any, you know, whatever

00:50:08 and block him in and they're at a unique point right now

00:50:14 where they're out here writing this playbook

00:50:16 and essentially starting from scratch

00:50:17 and to bring a guy like that in now,

00:50:20 I think is a pretty fun opportunity.

00:50:22 So I'm not sitting here telling you he's gonna become

00:50:24 like the greatest Patriot of all time,

00:50:26 but could he become like a nifty sort of

00:50:29 spot contributor for them?

00:50:30 Yeah, and I think there's definitely value in that.

00:50:33 So, you know, I like the receivers they got.

00:50:35 I obviously like Trey, I like most of their picks.

00:50:38 The only one I really don't get is Robinson

00:50:40 and Caden Wallace we'll see,

00:50:42 but I just, I feel like Jaheim Bell,

00:50:44 they're sneaky upside there,

00:50:46 especially to get him where they did.

00:50:48 That's part of this, to get him where they did.

00:50:51 I feel like they're sneaky upside there.

00:50:52 I'm just gonna bury that.

00:50:55 - One thing real quick,

00:50:56 'cause the point about the offensive lineman

00:50:58 in this comment reached on big boys.

00:50:59 I actually talked to John

00:51:00 from New England Sports Journal about this.

00:51:02 He's coached the game.

00:51:03 He's one of the smartest football people I know.

00:51:05 - He knows a lot.

00:51:06 - One of the things he mentioned was

00:51:07 there's no such thing really

00:51:08 as reaching for offensive linemen,

00:51:10 especially when it comes to tackle.

00:51:11 Like if this is a guy who has tools that you look for

00:51:15 and you covet those,

00:51:16 and you think you can turn them into something,

00:51:18 good offensive linemen are just not easy to find.

00:51:20 Again, especially at offensive tackle.

00:51:23 And you can make the argument

00:51:24 that maybe Caden Wallace should be a right tackle,

00:51:26 but if he has a body type and a profile that you like,

00:51:28 and again, this is gonna kind of fly under the radar,

00:51:31 but when you look at the board,

00:51:32 he was still one of the better tackle prospects,

00:51:34 arguably the best tackle prospect who was there.

00:51:38 We have no idea if they wanted to trade up

00:51:39 what they thought of Suhamit Zaheer,

00:51:41 what they thought of Patrick Paul,

00:51:42 and whether they actually really wanted those guys

00:51:44 as much as Wallace.

00:51:45 But if you like that profile,

00:51:47 you can't afford to let those guys slip.

00:51:49 And it's kind of similar to Jalen Polk,

00:51:50 where, oh, they reached on him too early,

00:51:52 but it's like, all right,

00:51:53 but they weren't picking until the third round.

00:51:54 And he probably wasn't a third round pick.

00:51:56 - Right. - They already traded back.

00:51:57 They got the extra pick,

00:51:58 turned that into Javon Baker,

00:52:00 and they got their guys.

00:52:01 So, I understand the idea that,

00:52:03 everybody has their own opinions,

00:52:05 and I'm not trying to push back on that,

00:52:06 but especially when it comes to offensive linemen,

00:52:08 it's not really reaching,

00:52:09 because if you like this guy's tools,

00:52:11 get them in so you don't have to settle for somebody

00:52:13 who maybe has a profile that you don't like as much.

00:52:16 - You gotta take them- - The chat's saying,

00:52:18 the chat's saying that Cole Strange was a reach.

00:52:20 Yes, Cole Strange was a reach,

00:52:21 because the consensus seemed like

00:52:23 there were probably some better guards at that position,

00:52:26 where you just mentioned Taylor.

00:52:28 Wallace was the best player,

00:52:29 the best tackle available at that spot.

00:52:31 It was not a reach when he's still at the top of the board.

00:52:33 - The Caden Wallace thing is a result of tackle.

00:52:37 He was the best tackle there.

00:52:39 He was supposed to go around later,

00:52:39 but so was everybody that got picked ahead of him.

00:52:42 That's just the way the draft is going,

00:52:43 and you have to play the board.

00:52:44 It goes back to, again,

00:52:45 if the forecast tells you it's sunny,

00:52:47 and you have a convertible,

00:52:49 are you gonna put the top down,

00:52:50 even though it's raining,

00:52:51 because of what the forecast tells you?

00:52:52 Cole Strange is different.

00:52:54 There's a couple things with Cole Strange.

00:52:55 He was not the best guard on the board,

00:52:57 and it's a positional value thing.

00:52:59 Why did they want to go guard there overall?

00:53:02 With Caden Wallace, and look,

00:53:04 I've second-guessed that pick.

00:53:05 I will continue to second-guess that pick.

00:53:07 The second guess, though,

00:53:08 is not taking Caden Wallace where they took him.

00:53:11 If that's the player they wanted,

00:53:13 that's where you take him.

00:53:14 The second guess is,

00:53:15 should they have been more aggressive and moved up

00:53:17 to not end up on the backside of that run,

00:53:20 to end up with a different tackle?

00:53:21 But if they were taking a tackle at 68,

00:53:24 the only other guy that was there

00:53:26 that you could make an argument for

00:53:27 was Ahmed Ejit from Yale.

00:53:29 But another thing, we've talked about their trends,

00:53:31 about personality type and experience and all of that.

00:53:34 They seem disinterested in guys that have an injury history.

00:53:37 They want guys that are gonna be available on the field.

00:53:39 Ahmed Ejit's obviously coming off

00:53:41 of a somewhat significant injury.

00:53:42 So I do wonder if he just wasn't on their board,

00:53:45 or if he was ranked lower on their board

00:53:46 because of the injury.

00:53:47 That's the only other guy that's there.

00:53:49 - And age and experience, like Kingsley Somataheo.

00:53:51 We loved him.

00:53:52 He's 21 years old,

00:53:53 and I kind of like the compensation for that,

00:53:55 'cause he is a leader and he was a captain.

00:53:57 But he's a guy who was not going to play year one.

00:54:00 Caden Wallace and Leighton Robinson

00:54:01 are both guys who are profiled,

00:54:03 and said they are going to contribute very quickly.

00:54:05 Maybe it might take them a year to start,

00:54:07 but they're gonna be, you know,

00:54:08 they can do things pretty quickly,

00:54:10 be spot starters or whatever.

00:54:11 So that's pretty important to remember too.

00:54:13 Patrick Paul, I feel like is the only guy

00:54:15 where you can argue they could have been more aggressive.

00:54:17 We also don't know if they made some attempt

00:54:19 to get Patrick Paul, and they just couldn't.

00:54:20 Like we heard about the receivers.

00:54:22 - I think the second guess was Patrick Paul.

00:54:24 I'll throw Blake Fisher on that list.

00:54:25 I think they really liked him.

00:54:27 And then could they have traded back up

00:54:29 into the first round to get a tackle, to get, you know,

00:54:31 Tyler Guyton went kind of earlier.

00:54:33 He went 27.

00:54:34 Like that's a pretty big trade off.

00:54:35 - They tried for him. - From 34, yeah.

00:54:36 - Guyton probably tried for him, yeah.

00:54:38 - They tried for Guyton,

00:54:39 then they were trying for receivers too.

00:54:40 But you can second guess,

00:54:41 I'm not saying you can't second guess the pick.

00:54:42 I'm second guessing the pick.

00:54:44 Let's just be educated, you know,

00:54:45 football minds and second guess it correctly.

00:54:47 It's not that they took the wrong player in the spot.

00:54:49 It's that should they have even been picking there,

00:54:51 or should they have moved up?

00:54:52 I'm just gonna bury this one.

00:54:53 Have I said Minnesota in three days?

00:54:55 People think I'm all upset about JJ McCarthy

00:54:57 for some reason.

00:54:58 One, he was QB five, like I told you guys all along.

00:55:01 Two, I said on Catch 22 on Friday,

00:55:03 he's probably gonna win rookie of the year.

00:55:05 So it's gonna be him or-

00:55:06 - He's gonna be Matt Jones.

00:55:07 He's gonna have the Matt Jones rookie year.

00:55:09 - But he's got a better situation.

00:55:10 He's got a more sustainable situation.

00:55:12 It's gonna be him or Harrison, I think, for rookie of the year.

00:55:14 I don't know.

00:55:14 Maybe somebody comes out of nowhere.

00:55:16 Caleb Williams will probably have a shot.

00:55:18 But I just think-

00:55:19 - Like Coram?

00:55:20 - Who?

00:55:21 - Like Coram?

00:55:21 - Yeah, when they give like an actual award to a rookie,

00:55:25 I'll believe it, to a running back, sorry.

00:55:26 I'll believe it when I see it.

00:55:27 - What about Joe Milton?

00:55:29 - No.

00:55:30 Joe Milton's gonna win-

00:55:31 - Back to squad player of the year.

00:55:32 - Yeah, exactly.

00:55:33 - What about Drake May?

00:55:35 Come on.

00:55:36 - So, all right, let's, before we go to the UDFAs,

00:55:38 I do wanna get to the UDFAs.

00:55:39 When does Drake May play his first,

00:55:43 when does Drake May make his first regular season start?

00:55:46 - If he has a good camp in preseason.

00:55:49 And again, it's like, if the inconsistencies dwindle,

00:55:52 I think he plays.

00:55:53 I think you just want him having the crazy misses.

00:55:55 But I think maybe they would plan for like,

00:55:57 if they get that mid-season bye week,

00:55:59 like you mentioned, Alex, I think that might be it.

00:56:01 Because I don't think he needs to sit the entire season.

00:56:03 I think he's battle-tested already.

00:56:04 You've seen what he can do in rough circumstances.

00:56:07 And especially with Baker and Polk.

00:56:09 Like, I think those are the kind of guys

00:56:10 you wanted them to add where you feel better

00:56:12 about his pass-catching options.

00:56:14 And they have a good enough offensive line.

00:56:15 If close range doesn't work out,

00:56:17 then you have Wallace and Robinson

00:56:19 who can give you backups there.

00:56:20 So I feel a lot better about him

00:56:21 potentially playing earlier.

00:56:23 Brian, I'll leave it to you.

00:56:25 - I think the thing is we're gonna get on the--

00:56:27 - Brian's gonna say tomorrow.

00:56:28 - Yeah, I think we're gonna get on the practice fields

00:56:31 in the summer.

00:56:32 And I think it's gonna be pretty clear

00:56:34 how talented this guy is.

00:56:36 And like, he might just kind of blow Jacoby Brissette

00:56:39 and the rest of these guys out of the water.

00:56:41 And at that point, are you gonna sit there and say like,

00:56:43 all right, we're gonna bench him.

00:56:44 Maybe if you have like a week, five bye,

00:56:47 you can, you know, it's an easier sell

00:56:49 to maybe your defense to just say like,

00:56:52 hey, we're gonna sit this guy for a month

00:56:53 and then he's gonna, you know, take this over.

00:56:55 But yeah, I think he might be ready to go right away.

00:56:59 It obviously depends how it looks throughout the summer.

00:57:01 He's gotta be consistent.

00:57:02 He's gotta have a good performance,

00:57:04 but I expect we're gonna get out there

00:57:06 and he's gonna be the clear cut best quarterback.

00:57:08 And it's gonna be pretty hard to say to him.

00:57:10 - It's a cop-out, but it's what I said the other day.

00:57:14 He's gonna start when they feel like he's ready to start

00:57:16 and not a second prior.

00:57:18 They cannot rush into it.

00:57:19 Like they can't do the whole, get nervous,

00:57:22 get not even nervous, but get antsy about,

00:57:24 hey, we gotta start this guy.

00:57:25 We spent the number three pick on him

00:57:26 because you can't then go bench him if he, you know,

00:57:29 if he sees, if he sees ghosts and whatnot.

00:57:31 So as long as they do it right,

00:57:34 and as long as, again, Jacoby knows his role,

00:57:36 Alex Van Pelt, they know their role.

00:57:37 They know what the idea,

00:57:40 or what their idea was going into this thing.

00:57:41 So just, you know, make sure he's ready.

00:57:43 When do I see it?

00:57:44 It depends on the bye week, but if it's a mid round bye,

00:57:47 I can see them really trying to kick this thing

00:57:50 gear post bye.

00:57:51 - I think this could be right around the bye week.

00:57:52 I don't think he starts week one.

00:57:53 I think they want to do this right.

00:57:55 And now, granted, I was the guy that was saying

00:57:56 there was no chance, you know, three years ago,

00:57:58 there was no chance Mac Jones was starting week one.

00:57:59 I said that the whole time,

00:58:01 even when he was clearly better than Cam Newton in camp,

00:58:03 I was sitting there saying, I don't think he, you know,

00:58:05 I just, I think they're going to want to take care of him.

00:58:08 I think they're going to want to make sure he's ready.

00:58:09 I say between a month or two in, I think by Halloween.

00:58:14 And again, we'll see when the bye week is, you know,

00:58:16 if the bye week's like Thanksgiving,

00:58:17 then maybe, you know, they wait for that.

00:58:18 But I do think he starts games this year.

00:58:21 I think he starts about half their games,

00:58:23 maybe a little more,

00:58:23 but I do think it's going to be Jacobi Bursette week one.

00:58:26 The other thing is the real interesting thing is

00:58:28 what happens if Jacobi Bursette gets hurt week one or two.

00:58:30 - Right.

00:58:31 - Then, you know, is it Zappi or Joe Milton or Drake May?

00:58:35 Is Joe Milton the buffer zone?

00:58:38 Is that why they drafted Joe Milton?

00:58:40 'Cause what happens if Jacobi gets hurt,

00:58:42 Drake May's not ready, you put Joe Milton out there,

00:58:44 one of two things is going to happen.

00:58:46 Either Joe Milton's not going to be good

00:58:48 and you still get to wait on Drake May

00:58:50 and maybe get another top five pick

00:58:53 to add an elite tackle and elite wide receiver with him,

00:58:55 or Joe Milton is good.

00:58:58 And now you trade Joe Milton and get a premium asset

00:59:01 and then you help Drake May that way.

00:59:03 - I have a hard time thinking they put Joe Milton

00:59:05 in that spot there.

00:59:05 It's, they would play Drake May.

00:59:07 - Can I make a bold prediction also?

00:59:11 Whoever's a quarterback, unless it's Bailey Zappi,

00:59:13 actually no, even 'cause Bailey Zappi will sling it.

00:59:15 I think this could be one of the more

00:59:17 explosive offenses in the league.

00:59:19 - They're definitely going to try to be.

00:59:22 - I think one, they're going to make the effort,

00:59:24 but now that you have Polk, you have Javon Baker,

00:59:27 like those guys can rotate him.

00:59:28 Kendrick Bourne is a better downfield threat

00:59:30 than he's been utilized as,

00:59:31 either because of talent or coaching.

00:59:33 Demario Douglas was constantly open downfield.

00:59:35 You just have anybody actually hitting him there.

00:59:37 And we know Alex Van Pelt is going to want to run the ball

00:59:40 to set up play action and throw downfield.

00:59:42 I'm telling you, man, like I think they finally have

00:59:44 the guys who can really win downfield.

00:59:46 Like the young guys give that juice that they needed.

00:59:49 And if Drake plays, they're not going to put

00:59:51 like training wheels on him and have him just throwing

00:59:53 that West Coast slants and drags.

00:59:55 He's going to be letting that thing ring.

00:59:57 So that's my bold prediction.

00:59:59 This is going to be a much more explosive offense

01:00:01 than people think.

01:00:02 - Bailey Zappi on the roster week one, yes or no?

01:00:05 - No.

01:00:06 - No.

01:00:08 - Yes.

01:00:09 - Is he on the roster to start a camp?

01:00:10 - Yes.

01:00:12 - Yes.

01:00:13 - Yes.

01:00:14 - Is he on the roster to start a camp?

01:00:15 I don't think he makes team.

01:00:16 I think you're a traitor.

01:00:17 - I actually want to go back on it.

01:00:18 I kind of want to go back on it.

01:00:19 If Drake may have a great camp,

01:00:20 he's not going to be on the roster.

01:00:21 - Okay. All right.

01:00:22 Fair enough.

01:00:23 All right.

01:00:24 I did, we did want to get to the UDFA

01:00:25 as I want to get to some UDFA.

01:00:26 So the UDFA classes we know so far,

01:00:28 these are just players they signed.

01:00:30 These are not players they've given rookie mini camp invites

01:00:33 to because as much as we get in the weeds on this show,

01:00:36 we're already at an hour and they invited like 30 guys

01:00:40 on tryouts.

01:00:41 So the UDFA class Del Petis,

01:00:44 an experienced safety from Troy over,

01:00:48 I think 3000 snaps in his career.

01:00:50 Charles Turner, multi-year starter,

01:00:52 starting center from LSU.

01:00:54 Mikey Victor, big corner,

01:00:56 all American corner from Alabama state at the FCS level.

01:00:59 John Morgan, pass rush specialist from Arkansas.

01:01:02 Zuri Henry, a six year starting tackle

01:01:06 at UTEP, a true swing tackle.

01:01:08 He has over 1800 snaps at left,

01:01:11 over 800 at right in his career.

01:01:13 Deshaun Fenwick, big physical running back

01:01:16 from Oregon state.

01:01:17 Jacob Warren, a blocking tight end from Tennessee.

01:01:20 Caleb Ford, dement corner,

01:01:22 kind of a tweener corner from Texas state.

01:01:25 John Trey Hunter, a linebacker from Georgia state.

01:01:28 And then Jet Bush,

01:01:29 a pass rushing outside linebacker from Texas.

01:01:33 Anybody stand out to you there guys?

01:01:35 Anybody you're super excited about?

01:01:37 - I wouldn't say super excited about,

01:01:39 but Deshaun Fenwick was a guy that I was taking-

01:01:41 - I mean, relative to UDFAs.

01:01:42 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:43 I mean, still, I don't think he's gonna be

01:01:45 like a super exciting guy,

01:01:46 but I think he's like gonna be in that competition

01:01:49 with Kevin Harris is like a really solid,

01:01:51 not explosive, but a good fit.

01:01:54 He is a zone runner.

01:01:55 He's kind of like that one cut style.

01:01:56 He can also catch passes.

01:01:58 He can pass block.

01:01:59 So we can be that kind of every down change of pace.

01:02:01 Like, you know, we want to get somebody in the mix

01:02:03 with Gibson and Ramond Ray Stevenson.

01:02:06 I think he's gonna contribute pretty early.

01:02:07 Also the tight end they got from Tennessee,

01:02:09 Joe Milton's teammate.

01:02:10 He's got experience in a bunch of different positions.

01:02:12 He's not a wide,

01:02:13 but I feel like they played him pretty much everywhere else.

01:02:15 I think he's more interesting guy.

01:02:17 I want to watch him.

01:02:18 He's one of my higher priority watches for this class.

01:02:21 - Surrey Henry is interesting.

01:02:23 I heard you guys talking about it this morning, Alex,

01:02:25 you and Saron, where it's kind of experience,

01:02:28 but not a lot of size.

01:02:29 So if he can, you know, build on his size,

01:02:31 learn and stand out, maybe he makes the team

01:02:34 or at least comes around on the practice squad

01:02:36 and can, you know, turn it into something else.

01:02:38 'Cause just adding a guy who has a lot of left,

01:02:40 left tackle experience is something they didn't do

01:02:41 in the first seven rounds.

01:02:43 So that's the one I like.

01:02:44 - Just to add one, Charles Turner, the LSU lineman,

01:02:48 like tons of experience in the SEC.

01:02:51 Like, I think he's got like a massive wingspan too.

01:02:54 So, and he's a center, right?

01:02:56 They took Jake Andrews last year.

01:02:57 Is he a guard?

01:02:58 Is he a center?

01:03:00 So interesting to get another kind of pure center

01:03:03 in the mix, see what he brings.

01:03:04 And we do have a kicker coming for rookie minicamp.

01:03:07 So. - Oh, who is it?

01:03:09 - We got Vincent Blanchard from Quebec city.

01:03:13 He played in Laval in Canada.

01:03:15 So maybe some potential competition coming in

01:03:18 for rookie minicamp.

01:03:19 - All right, so that'll be something to watch.

01:03:21 I actually think he's a pretty strong class.

01:03:22 So I think like, like Dale Pettis is a guy

01:03:24 that's gonna give you some special teams value.

01:03:26 John Trey Hunter, a lot of people thought would get drafted.

01:03:30 And he certainly, he's got that sideline to sideline thing.

01:03:32 He can be a special teams contributor.

01:03:34 I like the corner from Alabama state,

01:03:37 Mikey Victor, I like cornerbacks with size.

01:03:39 He had a ton of on ball production.

01:03:41 You know, I think he's gonna end up in that mix

01:03:43 for one of those rotational cornerback spots.

01:03:46 Henry's interesting, he's just under 300 as a tackle.

01:03:50 I wonder about like, he's really far away.

01:03:53 I like Fenwick, I do six foot 225,

01:03:56 but he's got a little wiggle to him.

01:03:57 I think part of the reason he went on drafted,

01:03:59 he's just really inexperienced.

01:04:01 For a guy that was in school,

01:04:02 was it five years or six years?

01:04:04 I have it here.

01:04:06 Six years in college, he only eclipsed a hundred carries once.

01:04:11 So he's, I think that's part of the reason he went on,

01:04:13 'cause I watch him, he looks like a draftable player.

01:04:16 There's not a ton of tape on him, so we don't really know.

01:04:18 But like you said to like, can he push Kevin Harris

01:04:21 for that third running back role?

01:04:23 I think that's absolutely a position battle.

01:04:25 Jacob Warren, blocking tight end, red zone threat.

01:04:28 I think he clearly has a path to the roster.

01:04:32 And then I already talked about John Trey Hunter.

01:04:33 So I think there's a couple of guys that certainly,

01:04:35 they won't all make the team,

01:04:37 but I think there's a couple of guys that can make a push

01:04:39 for a roster spot there.

01:04:42 - Yeah. - All right.

01:04:45 Before we wrap it up,

01:04:47 I'm gonna put you guys on the clock.

01:04:49 Give me one player in the 2025 draft class

01:04:54 that you're excited about.

01:04:56 - I'm blanking on his first name,

01:05:02 but Loveland, the Michigan tight end.

01:05:03 - Colston Loveland, yep.

01:05:05 - Colston Loveland.

01:05:06 They didn't, you know, we got Jaheim Bell, 231.

01:05:09 We all think it's good value.

01:05:10 Maybe he turns into something,

01:05:11 but Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper,

01:05:15 they're both gonna be 30 this year.

01:05:16 Maybe that's a position that they're looking at next year

01:05:19 as more of a top of the draft need.

01:05:22 If you hope, you know, Drake May works out

01:05:24 and these receivers work out,

01:05:25 maybe you're looking at like your pure left tackle

01:05:28 and a tight end at the top of the draft next year.

01:05:31 And I really like Colston Loveland there from Michigan.

01:05:34 It's not Patriots centric,

01:05:36 but I am excited to watch Shadar Sanders

01:05:37 play football next year

01:05:38 and see what he can do with the next level.

01:05:40 I'm excited to see what Colorado does again,

01:05:43 because they started so hot and fell off so fast,

01:05:45 even though he played well.

01:05:47 I think he's the odds on favorite

01:05:48 to be the number one pick next year.

01:05:51 So that whole thing is gonna be, you know, exciting.

01:05:53 So I'm looking forward to him.

01:05:54 - You could even make that Patriots adjacent

01:05:56 and say Travis Hunter,

01:05:57 'cause if they do Ben Drake May all year,

01:05:59 and I just steal your, Taylor, I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:06:02 Go ahead, go ahead.

01:06:03 - 2025 prospects, I know.

01:06:05 No, but yeah, no, Travis Hunter's just a freak, man.

01:06:08 I'm gonna be really interested to see

01:06:10 what people project him as,

01:06:11 what he gets drafted at.

01:06:13 Is he gonna be a receiver?

01:06:14 Is he gonna be a corner?

01:06:16 Are they gonna try to have him as both?

01:06:17 Little Keon Sanders action.

01:06:19 Literally, I mean, he's gonna have the experience

01:06:22 and the tutelage to know how to do that.

01:06:23 So yeah, he's electric.

01:06:25 I really like him.

01:06:26 And again, I don't really know this class very well, so.

01:06:29 - I'm naturally gonna give you two guys because of me,

01:06:31 and this is kind of how I wanted to wrap it up.

01:06:34 I like Polk and Baker, I really do.

01:06:36 But I think ideally, they're your T Higgins,

01:06:38 not your Jamar Chase.

01:06:39 They're your Tyler Lockett, not your DK Metcalf.

01:06:42 Not necessarily stylistically,

01:06:43 but I'm saying like, as you build out the offense.

01:06:45 I think they have a chance

01:06:46 to be really, really good number two receivers,

01:06:47 'cause Kendrick Bourne's getting older.

01:06:49 You pop Douglas in the slot,

01:06:50 but that's what he is, he's a slot guy.

01:06:52 So I think the idea was this,

01:06:53 you get the supporting cast,

01:06:55 and next year you go out, right?

01:06:56 You know, draft Jalen Hurts,

01:06:59 go out and draft Devonta Smith the next year,

01:07:03 sign AJ Brown.

01:07:04 Draft who will go out the next year,

01:07:05 Jalen Waddell, Tyree Kill.

01:07:08 So, you know, I think you look ahead at wide receiver.

01:07:11 You guys have heard me say this name, Luther Burden.

01:07:14 All SEC wide out for Missouri,

01:07:16 is a true sophomore last year,

01:07:17 in 13 games, 86 catches, 1,200 yards.

01:07:21 The dude is an all around threat.

01:07:23 He's probably gonna be the best wide receiver

01:07:25 in college football last year.

01:07:26 Sorry, his redshirt sophomore year.

01:07:28 It's gonna be the best wide receiver in college football.

01:07:30 He's got a good quarterback throwing him the ball,

01:07:32 and Brady Cook, he's playing in the SEC.

01:07:34 He's gonna have good competition.

01:07:36 We're gonna be able to get a good look at him.

01:07:38 Whether the Patriots are picking high enough

01:07:40 or whether we're talking about them trading up,

01:07:42 Luther Burden's gonna be my guy for them next year.

01:07:44 And then in the same breath,

01:07:45 they took some project tackles, but we don't know.

01:07:47 So let's say Javon Baker proves he's your number one,

01:07:50 or Jalen Polk proves he's your number one,

01:07:52 comes out of nowhere.

01:07:53 There's a couple of tackles people like in this draft.

01:07:55 I like Will Campbell from LSU.

01:07:58 I just think he's probably the most complete of the group.

01:08:01 And so that's, I gotta pull up his size.

01:08:03 I don't have a size in front of me right now.

01:08:05 Six, five, 320.

01:08:07 Was all SEC last year.

01:08:10 All SEC the year before.

01:08:12 - No play. - Some names keep in mind.

01:08:14 I'll have, and we can close it there,

01:08:16 'cause I'll say after this,

01:08:17 the next draft-related thing I'll be doing

01:08:20 will be my players to watch

01:08:22 when the college football season starts in August.

01:08:24 'Cause this is it. - Wow.

01:08:25 - This is it, we're done here.

01:08:26 - A long time, bro. - So.

01:08:26 - I like to not talk about college football.

01:08:27 - A lot more, also talking about college football,

01:08:30 we got a video game coming out in like two months.

01:08:32 We gotta get you guys on that.

01:08:34 We gotta get like a dynasty going or something.

01:08:35 - Yeah, let's get some live streams going.

01:08:37 - Let's get some live streams going.

01:08:40 So I guess final thoughts on the draft season

01:08:44 as a whole, Taylor?

01:08:45 - One of y'all, everybody gives it a grade

01:08:47 for the Patriots draft overall.

01:08:48 - I had draft, I'm not a big draft grades guy.

01:08:51 We don't know. - Way too early.

01:08:52 Way too early. - Jarrod Mayo said

01:08:53 we have two months.

01:08:54 We can start waiting on the two months.

01:08:55 - All right, in two months we'll come back

01:08:56 and do draft grades.

01:08:57 Your thoughts on just the overall thing,

01:08:59 the process, this year's draft, all that.

01:09:02 - I liked it.

01:09:03 I thought they had conviction.

01:09:04 They addressed one places they needed to address,

01:09:06 which was huge.

01:09:08 And also I know like you could debate

01:09:10 where they got their offensive linemen and all that,

01:09:12 but I really don't have a problem with any of their picks.

01:09:14 I really tried.

01:09:15 I don't wanna always be sunshine and rainbows.

01:09:17 I really do try to find like,

01:09:18 what are some things you can critique?

01:09:20 And you can definitely, I think,

01:09:21 with the offensive line there,

01:09:22 but I really like all their picks.

01:09:24 Joe Milton, maybe they could have gotten a tight end

01:09:26 or running back, you know, that maybe people liked more,

01:09:29 but I think there was good justification for all the picks.

01:09:32 And I think everybody but Joe Milton

01:09:34 is somebody who's gonna contribute as a rookie,

01:09:36 which is what you want from this rookie class.

01:09:38 If you're a draft and develop team where Elliot Wolfe said,

01:09:40 you wanna get these guys repped.

01:09:42 So I really liked the class and I liked the process.

01:09:44 I think Elliot Wolfe's keeping his job.

01:09:46 - But yeah, Elliot Wolfe-

01:09:47 - I guess let's close it there.

01:09:48 Do you give him the GM title?

01:09:49 - Yes.

01:09:50 - Do you officially give him the GM title?

01:09:51 - Give that man a title.

01:09:53 Yeah, it was good.

01:09:54 Seven offensive players out of eight.

01:09:55 That's what you needed to do.

01:09:56 So no grade yet for me, but it was solid.

01:10:00 It gives you a lot of hope for the team.

01:10:02 - Brian.

01:10:03 - As for the process,

01:10:04 let's agree to never draft number three overall again.

01:10:08 Unless like we get an awesome trade somehow

01:10:11 and it works out in our favor,

01:10:12 but, and let's not have a talk about quarterback prospects

01:10:16 in like October next year or ever again.

01:10:18 - Let's keep the quarterback talk abstract.

01:10:20 We're talking about it for other teams

01:10:22 who are not talking about it for us.

01:10:23 - Yeah, so, but Drake Mays is Patriot.

01:10:26 So I'm happy.

01:10:27 We're all happy.

01:10:28 Let's roll.

01:10:29 - All right.

01:10:31 That'll do it.

01:10:32 Fun couple of days here on the crossover show.

01:10:35 Taylor and Mike will have their stuff at clnsmitty.com

01:10:38 and is Patriots Daily back tomorrow?

01:10:40 - Yes.

01:10:42 We're going to be doing a mailbag with a special guest

01:10:45 who I will announce later.

01:10:47 But yeah, we got some good guests lined up for next week.

01:10:49 It's going to be fun.

01:10:50 So, you know, subscribe to Patriots,

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01:10:54 Brian, this is going to count as our Monday Patriots beat

01:10:57 because we've done three shows in three days

01:10:58 and we deserve a couple of days off.

01:10:59 So we'll be back Thursday.

01:11:01 That honestly, unless there's like some breaking news,

01:11:03 that'll probably be mostly Q and A show.

01:11:05 So we'll be back on Thursday for that.

01:11:08 And you can find Brian's stuff at patspulpit.com.

01:11:10 You can find my stuff at 985sportshub.com.

01:11:14 So thanks everybody for watching.

01:11:16 Thanks for following along all draft season.

01:11:18 And we'll, we'll, we'll talk to you later.

01:11:20 Rookie mini camp in two weeks.

01:11:21 We'll see you then.

01:11:22 Bye.

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