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۔Rauf Klasra and Ather Kazmi speak up on Shah Mahmood Qureshi's arrest
۔"Is mulk ko theek karna hai tou ap teen wazeer e azam bana len," Rauf Klasra's expert analysis
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۔Rauf Klasra and Ather Kazmi speak up on Shah Mahmood Qureshi's arrest
۔"Is mulk ko theek karna hai tou ap teen wazeer e azam bana len," Rauf Klasra's expert analysis
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00:00 Assalamu Alaikum, dear viewers, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, a former minister of foreign affairs,
00:04 and the Vice Chairman of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf, has been arrested again today after his release.
00:10 This is an MPO-numbered case in Pakistan, a law that is being used again and again.
00:15 And if you want to put someone in jail, then the people are put in jail under MPO 3 to keep the situation under control.
00:28 We have seen this repeatedly in the past few days that if the court gives bail to someone in a case,
00:35 then sometimes under MPO, sometimes in this case, Shah Mehmood Qureshi has been arrested on 9th May.
00:41 Although he was ordered to be released in the Cipher case by the Supreme Court.
00:46 In the last few days, there was a talk of free and fair elections or level playing field.
00:53 There was a case in the Supreme Court, which was listed yesterday, but now it has been delisted.
01:00 And there were similar incidents that were being pointed out.
01:05 The incidents are that people are being put in jail, people's documents, the names that are collected,
01:13 are being snatched, videos of that are available on mobile.
01:19 Apart from this, there is news from many places that there is a law in our country that
01:26 the person who wants to fight the election should be nominated and should be seconded.
01:32 Someone is being picked up, there are many such things that are being put in place in all these actions, which are called elections.
01:41 What is an election? How should it be?
01:43 We talk about free and fair elections again and again.
01:46 Voting is not just about elections.
01:49 And I think that now the matter will go to the Supreme Court.
01:52 It is also the responsibility of the Supreme Court, and of Mohsin Zardariya,
01:56 to make sure that free and fair elections are made.
01:59 If only the election is made sure that people come and vote,
02:03 it can be done, but what credibility does that act have?
02:07 We will talk about this in our today's program.
02:11 And the question is, if there is no credibility of the action, then what will be the credibility of the coming government?
02:17 If there is no credibility of that, then how will the revolution that everyone is looking for come?
02:21 And if there is no revolution, then how will the economy be fine?
02:23 So, all this linkage, this fight, is starting with this action that is going on in this country today.
02:30 The Election Commission is definitely trying at this time how to take the baton,
02:36 how to do what, how to give benefit to one and harm to another.
02:41 But the long-term consequences of this are also coming.
02:46 Roop Kailasar is with us, thank you very much, Atar Kazmi, thank you, Muneeb Farooq is with us, thank you.
02:52 Roop sir, you must have seen the scenes, obviously, Britishers are on all TV screens since morning.
02:57 You saw that this happens in Pakistani politics, no problem, you thought it was not right.
03:03 But clearly, no one will say that these scenes are right, especially as it is said that
03:08 two times he has been the foreign minister of Pakistan and has been in politics for the last 40-50 years,
03:15 has been in power politics, has been in government, he understands all these things.
03:19 I see two or three things in this. Now, this could have been done in the jail.
03:24 They could have been transported in a car from the jail, or whatever, they could have been transported.
03:30 You must have seen Mr. Khan being arrested two or three times, put in jail.
03:33 I don't think so. I will ask Muneeb, because he is a lawyer also.
03:38 I think that release means that you are released.
03:41 You must have seen many scenes in the last 6 months, 3 months, that people get bail,
03:46 they come out of jail and the police arrest them again.
03:50 A little while ago we were talking with Atar, which law, which law, which one do you think was on regulation,
03:56 that these things were going on, the process was being completed, so they thought that
04:00 this process has to be completed, we will take them to the dock, they will be caught from the dock.
04:03 Behind this, I have another, my view is that two or three messages had to be given.
04:07 One from here, you remember, Mr. Khan and Mr. Khuree were released from the Supreme Court,
04:12 they were released and then they were released from the Peshawar High Court.
04:16 So after that, these reports started coming that maybe the winds have started to change,
04:19 maybe there has been a change of heart, maybe it seems that the conversation has started.
04:24 This loud messaging has been done that, brother, we have not had any conversation,
04:28 rather, they have already sent a message for PTI, for their followers, for their sympathizers,
04:36 or those people who had a little hope.
04:38 Or for the Kings Party.
04:39 Or for the Kings Party, or you be happy, you have been arrested.
04:42 Or it was being understood that maybe work has been done on Shah Maud Qureshi,
04:45 they are being sent to get bail, you know conspiracy theories.
04:47 And a lot of things were happening here that Mr. Khan has to work hard and bring a new phase,
04:53 and later on, Mr. Khosa or Mr. Gohar, they will not be able to sell with the public.
04:58 So Mr. Qureshi, because he is a party member, now they will go out,
05:02 they will go and give the message of Mr. Khan, there is an election crowd,
05:05 there are rallies, there are rallies, they will address and maybe the environment of PTI will be created,
05:09 they will take this forward and the 8th February election, they will win and make the signs of victory.
05:14 Now this feeling, you must have seen, it was created in the last week.
05:18 I think that the way they were treated there, they were dragged and it should not be like this, that's very unfortunate.
05:24 Behind this, there was a messaging for all those people who were thinking that maybe at some stage,
05:30 some establishment or at some stage, some institution or people,
05:34 with Mr. Khan or with their second tier, or want to give PTI a level playing field,
05:39 or want to keep PTI in the field, for them, a very loud and clear message has been sent that,
05:43 brother, Delhi is still far away, at least till 8th February, they will come and understand,
05:53 till the election is not there, for PTI, you will not get any concession here,
05:59 you will not get relief, you will not get a level playing field, and if you understand this,
06:04 then there was no one more than Mr. Shah Maud Qureshi, who could be dragged.
06:10 That was the maximum, so I think it was a loud message, otherwise,
06:15 they could have taken out the bar from the jail and handover from there.
06:19 Okay, note one more thing, that by bringing in front of the cameras, there are cameras there,
06:23 there are YouTubers, and then they are making films through your telephone,
06:28 it is happening in front of all of them, you have deliberately created this scene.
06:31 It is happening in front of all of them, and through the screen, it is going up to the election commission.
06:36 I am sure the judges have seen it, I am sure all of them have seen it.
06:40 I think this was planned, this was planned, this was planned,
06:43 there was a loud and clear message to be given.
06:45 Athar, Athar.
06:46 This is a continuation, basically, the law and the constitution are being dragged,
06:50 every day everyone feels bad when I talk about the law and the constitution,
06:53 but basically, this is a new constitution, we will explain this.
06:57 Basically, the law and the constitution are being dragged.
06:59 When did I say this to you? You are quoting me.
07:01 No, no, I said, you always say that you talk about the law and the constitution.
07:04 No, no, you tried to blame me, when did I say this in the conversation?
07:07 No, no, we were talking about it earlier.
07:09 No, if you were talking about it earlier, I would have given you my argument.
07:12 No, no, you always say that.
07:13 No, you are misquoting me wrongly, sitting here.
07:15 No, I am not misquoting you, I am sitting with you.
07:17 You can misquote me when you are not here.
07:19 No, I am saying the same thing.
07:20 You talk about yourself.
07:21 You talk about yourself.
07:22 Let's take back this sentence, let's not do this, everyone says that it should be done somewhere,
07:26 but there are ground realities as well.
07:28 No, no, there are ground realities, ground realities are that we three people sitting here,
07:32 we cannot condemn this, that this is a shameful thing.
07:34 So you do it, who has forbidden you? I did not do it.
07:36 I am saying the same thing, I am also telling you about the ground realities.
07:39 I am saying the same thing, that the kind of treatment that is being done,
07:41 this has happened to Shah Mahmood Qureshi Sahib today.
07:43 You can see this during the 16 months.
07:45 Every court, this started with the magistrate's court,
07:48 and at that time people used to say, and they used to say on TV that,
07:51 sir, whoever it is, no one will leave them, no one will release them.
07:55 Your high courts then gave remarks, that you can do a press conference,
07:58 and that which started with the magistrate's court, now it has reached the Supreme Court.
08:03 So how can you justify this?
08:06 No one can justify this.
08:08 I am saying the same thing, that this is happening, this is basically happening,
08:11 and this is a continuation of that.
08:13 This has been happening for 75 years.
08:15 I am saying the same thing, it is a continuation.
08:17 It has not been 3.5 years.
08:18 It is a continuation, it is a continuation, but the problem is that
08:20 those who fought against this for 3.5 years, fought a campaign,
08:24 and said that we will come and improve this,
08:26 whether they did it or not, or whatever happened in the last 3.5 years,
08:29 but our thing is that what is in front of us,
08:32 we will tell that this is the thing, and this is wrong, or this is right.
08:35 Secondly, if there are no elections according to the political system,
08:39 then Noreen starts crying, this happens, that happens.
08:43 Who is Noreen?
08:44 If nothing is happening according to the system of the country,
08:47 if there are no elections, then on top of that,
08:50 if we don't want to cry, then at least we should have a little bit of anxiety.
08:55 Yes, you are expressing your opinion, no one has refused you.
08:58 Muneeb Farooq Sahib, elections should be free and fair,
09:03 level playing field should be there,
09:05 a case is going on in the court, the court has also said,
09:07 the Attorney General has also said that there is no trust,
09:09 the election commission also at least comes for lip service,
09:13 that they keep saying verbal abuse,
09:15 but these incidents, the nomination papers that happened in the last 4-5 days,
09:22 even the President of Pakistan spoke, he was silent for a long time,
09:26 he also raised the issue of snatching the papers,
09:30 he also spoke about Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
09:32 he is talking about human rights,
09:34 but that's how elections will be,
09:36 this election commission, you know, it is 2023,
09:39 it is a social media,
09:41 I remembered that brainless dialogue,
09:44 that scoundrel Gendis says that there is law here,
09:48 there is trust, there is us,
09:50 Salman Khan, what was his name in that movie, I forget his name,
09:54 Chulbul Pandey,
09:56 he says there is us,
09:58 but the problem here is that there is no us,
10:00 no law, no election commission,
10:02 what is happening?
10:04 The thing is, Kashif bhai sahib,
10:07 the trust is in the pocket,
10:09 take it from me, put it in the pocket of the Attorney General,
10:12 there is no issue in that,
10:14 we can give it,
10:16 we can take it,
10:18 nothing will happen,
10:20 but the thing is,
10:22 what is to happen is what is being said,
10:24 or what is being desired,
10:26 now what is the issue in this?
10:28 I will just tell you that
10:30 the arrest of Shah Mehmood Qureshi
10:32 has not been done under MPO,
10:34 the thing is that yesterday,
10:36 Deputy Commissioner,
10:38 yes,
10:40 that night Deputy Commissioner,
10:42 in the early hours of the day,
10:44 in the late hours of the night,
10:46 he withdrew,
10:48 now the police have taken him,
10:50 God knows what,
10:52 in which case,
10:54 he was nominated,
10:56 but if my memory serves me well,
10:58 I have never seen Shah Mehmood Qureshi
11:00 talking against the army or the state,
11:02 very careful, very careful,
11:04 if you ask any PTI,
11:06 which person would have not done such a thing,
11:08 would not have talked like this,
11:10 would not have provoked,
11:12 would not have taken Shah Mehmood Qureshi's name.
11:14 It is like this,
11:18 they are very careful in this matter,
11:20 now I would just like to say this,
11:22 see, the issue is that,
11:24 now,
11:26 like Raul Khasa Sahib is sitting,
11:28 Athar Kaalbish Sahib is sitting,
11:30 we all know what is happening,
11:32 or what is the issue,
11:34 now when we talk about ground realities,
11:36 it does not necessarily mean that
11:38 any of us is condoning ground realities
11:40 many people,
11:42 I talk about myself,
11:44 I abuse because if you are told a fact,
11:46 that this is ground reality,
11:48 they say no, you should campaign against it,
11:50 but that is not my job,
11:52 I can say that this is wrong,
11:54 this is illegal, but that is it,
11:56 I cannot do anything more than this,
11:58 I cannot fight with the state,
12:00 or with the state institutions,
12:02 now the issue here is only this,
12:04 that we talk about this,
12:06 I am saying that this should not happen,
12:08 but you will not be latent,
12:10 I mean,
12:12 you will go back to 2018,
12:14 there was some chaos,
12:16 that South Punjab will become Mahas,
12:18 and if someone was killed,
12:20 they said that it was the people of Maikma Zaraat,
12:22 I made a mistake,
12:24 but you would see that things are going on in the background,
12:26 but the images that we are seeing,
12:28 are latent,
12:30 Qahim Sahib,
12:32 I request you,
12:34 like you are saying,
12:36 I have this in my mind,
12:38 and we say that this is not sweet,
12:40 this is not sweet,
12:42 this is very spicy,
12:44 and this is burning the mouth,
12:46 and this will not be boiled,
12:48 nor will it be swallowed,
12:50 this is such a thing,
12:52 so the answer that is usually gathered,
12:54 which is also gathered by a stupid person like me,
12:56 is that insanity has also reached the same level,
12:58 so obviously,
13:00 the more bitter the disease,
13:02 the more bitter or bitter the cure will be,
13:04 and then the argument ends there,
13:06 you rest your case,
13:08 now the issue here is that if I complete my argument,
13:10 the only thing is that we are saying that
13:12 this election should be according to the law,
13:14 and there should be no error in anything,
13:16 but the issue here is that
13:18 every community,
13:20 if we say to Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
13:22 that this was not happening in 2018,
13:24 so at least this should not happen,
13:26 we are going around in circles,
13:28 it will come in front of you,
13:30 and God forbid,
13:32 it will be with you,
13:34 so the answer to that,
13:36 as they say, they do not give in clear, unequivocal words,
13:38 they say yes,
13:40 but no, they have done this,
13:42 but if we go above that,
13:44 and talk somewhere else,
13:46 talk to Mukhtadara,
13:48 so there the argument is different,
13:50 there it is that no,
13:52 as I told you earlier,
13:54 no, whatever the mouth,
13:56 it is like this,
13:58 and it will remain like this,
14:00 but with all due respect,
14:02 all these state institutions,
14:04 are constitutional institutions,
14:06 and there is a law in our country,
14:08 but unfortunately,
14:10 they do not have an executive force,
14:12 at the end of the day,
14:14 if there is a need for an executive force,
14:16 then there will be an executive force,
14:18 if you look at the election commission,
14:20 it does not seem that
14:22 to get it to act on its decisions,
14:24 I will ask this question to Mr. Rauh,
14:26 that there is a need for an executive force,
14:28 but they are looking hell bent
14:30 on doing certain things,
14:32 that is a separate debate,
14:34 that what should happen,
14:36 there is a law,
14:38 there is a law,
14:40 there is a we,
14:42 that is a separate debate,
14:44 it will continue in Pakistan,
14:46 but it is not blatant,
14:48 as we were saying,
14:50 it is in your face,
14:52 so the purpose of the election
14:54 will be lost,
14:56 so whatever vote you get,
14:58 I think,
15:00 the purpose of the election
15:02 is already lost,
15:04 Irfan Siddiqui has changed his position,
15:06 Shabaz Sharif was saying something else,
15:08 when he was standing with Faisal Saleh Ajaad,
15:10 that our Prime Minister,
15:12 Nawaz Sharif,
15:14 Irfan Siddiqui is saying that
15:16 this decision has not been made yet,
15:18 now look at these two things,
15:20 the impact of this on those parties
15:22 that it was decided that
15:24 this is our matter,
15:26 they have realised that
15:28 by giving this impression,
15:30 that we have already said that
15:32 Nawaz Sharif is the Prime Minister,
15:34 and he has been elected for the fourth time,
15:36 you have raised questions on the whole process,
15:38 you have started raising questions
15:40 on the institutions that are going to be elected,
15:42 if all this has happened,
15:44 then why do you need to invest 60-70 billion rupees,
15:46 you should notify,
15:48 now they are repositioning themselves,
15:50 I think Irfan Siddiqui has tried to reposition
15:52 but no one is ready to believe him,
15:54 on which you are saying blatantly,
15:56 that the fourth use is against your opponents,
15:58 and after 8th February,
16:00 no one will even believe you,
16:02 and all people will come and question you,
16:04 then allegations of corruption will be put,
16:06 then protests,
16:08 and if the People's Party does not get a share in power,
16:10 then forget Imran Khan,
16:12 first of all, the People's Party will come and say,
16:14 we said that there is an election,
16:16 so from now on,
16:18 they will start saying that
16:20 in Islamabad, they are saying that
16:22 in Jhang, Jianuna,
16:24 there is something else,
16:26 they are saying that
16:28 you are under pressure,
16:30 that the institutions that are facilitating Nawaz Sharif,
16:32 and his nominees are sitting in the cabinet,
16:34 and at this time,
16:36 your election commissioner,
16:38 he is not able to implement the decisions,
16:40 which decisions?
16:42 for example, they said that
16:44 the 4-5 ministers,
16:46 who were Nawaz Sharif's bureaucrats,
16:48 they said that
16:50 they have removed them,
16:52 and they did not remove them,
16:54 and they said that
16:56 the minister has said that
16:58 you should give them the approval,
17:00 and you are talking about the law,
17:02 and the blatant,
17:04 and Ahad Cheema is a bureaucrat,
17:06 he has been,
17:08 he was not even that great,
17:10 he was in the 18th, 19th, or 20th grade,
17:12 look at his defence level,
17:14 to the election commission,
17:16 and to the rest of the people,
17:18 they said that
17:20 they will not collect their votes,
17:22 Fahad Sarfat, Sarfat Bukhti,
17:24 Kakkar, everyone did it,
17:26 they said that
17:28 I will not give my details,
17:30 my beard, to the election commission,
17:32 that you publish my details,
17:34 the whole world should know what I have,
17:36 my wealth, my property,
17:38 they did not give it to them,
17:40 they left it to the minister,
17:42 that you do not have to give details,
17:44 even though I think that
17:46 all the details should have been with the FBI,
17:48 all the tax filers are sitting,
17:50 but you know what they said to the election commission,
17:52 by writing a letter,
17:54 Ahad Cheema,
17:56 they said that give me some days,
17:58 I am collecting my papers,
18:00 I have so much wealth,
18:02 I am collecting papers,
18:04 I have papers,
18:06 so I will collect the papers,
18:08 so my question was,
18:10 you did not file tax to the FBI,
18:12 everyone has filed tax there,
18:14 so the details of the wealth,
18:16 one bureaucrat, on the request of the election commission,
18:18 he is not ready to give his own,
18:20 he is ready to become a minister,
18:22 he is taking the ministries, he is taking the luxury,
18:24 because he happens to be very close to Shahbaz Sharif sahib,
18:26 Fawad Sahib,
18:28 look at him,
18:30 he has written a letter to the election commission of Pakistan,
18:32 that you stop the privatization process,
18:34 let the new government come,
18:36 so when the election commission of Pakistan,
18:38 had two or three options,
18:40 either you resign,
18:42 that I am not being listened to, I quit,
18:44 or the other is to implement your decisions,
18:46 who will implement the decisions,
18:48 either the supreme court will do it,
18:50 or your establishment will do it,
18:52 but will the executive power not be there,
18:54 in the case of the election commission of Pakistan,
18:56 they are all powerful,
18:58 so if the implementation is not done,
19:00 they will not do it,
19:02 but their problem is,
19:04 this could be the good face, bad face,
19:06 I am not saying good cop, bad cop,
19:08 but the good faces,
19:10 you have written a letter,
19:12 you are not ready to implement the bad faces,
19:14 otherwise the election commission,
19:16 Mr. Rope, stand up,
19:18 none of them can stand up,
19:20 stand up means,
19:22 if someone denies you,
19:24 I don't do it,
19:26 they say on our side,
19:28 on our side,
19:30 that whoever goes and says,
19:32 or goes across the river,
19:34 means,
19:36 you have taken the whole country in your hands,
19:38 highway or highway,
19:40 you have made the status of the election commission of Pakistan,
19:42 zero,
19:44 you have compromised the independence of the election commission,
19:46 then you say we are going to have elections,
19:48 but Mr. Rope, the election commission of Pakistan,
19:50 is not helping the case,
19:52 the way they are giving the decisions,
19:54 the way they are working,
19:56 I have seen one thing,
19:58 I have given a suggestion before,
20:00 you have to make this country right,
20:02 you make three ministers,
20:04 you make Nawaz Sharif,
20:06 the country will be right,
20:08 when they don't want to accept,
20:10 they can have elections in any way,
20:12 angels have descended here,
20:14 all over the world,
20:16 I am saying again,
20:18 you and I are not going to make these decisions,
20:20 they have given the decisions,
20:22 they have challenged,
20:24 the courts have given the decisions,
20:26 you can make the decision by looking at the decision,
20:28 you remember the election of 10th,
20:30 what happened in that,
20:32 the people who were punished,
20:34 they were given the post in Punjab,
20:36 when you have to defy everything,
20:38 when you don't want to listen to anyone,
20:40 neither Imran Khan nor Nawaz Sharif,
20:42 nor the people's party,
20:44 when I don't want to listen to such a horrible culture,
20:46 and all three are cults,
20:48 all three have chosen their lotteries,
20:50 they have distributed,
20:52 you are saying that they don't listen,
20:54 there is one way to see this,
20:56 we will talk about this after the break,
20:58 that they don't listen,
21:00 the people are losing their minds,
21:02 neither the one who doesn't listen is wrong,
21:04 I believe that in the 2018 election,
21:06 all the issues were not visible,
21:08 listen to me,
21:10 there are good leaders,
21:12 when you remember the 2000,
21:14 when was it,
21:16 Al Gore's election,
21:18 Al Gore had accepted,
21:20 he went to the Supreme,
21:22 he accepted the decision,
21:24 he didn't go further,
21:26 he said that after this,
21:28 the people will not listen to you,
21:30 you have started a strong march,
21:32 not with the Americans,
21:34 sometimes you have to digest the leadership,
21:36 for a country or a nation,
21:38 you have to make tough decisions,
21:40 against you too,
21:42 for the greater interest of the nation,
21:44 the people and the country,
21:46 you say my way or highway,
21:48 I am talking about everyone,
21:50 you are not ready to accept any election,
21:52 you think that in 2018 and 2023,
21:54 in elections,
21:56 the country was broken,
21:58 after that,
22:00 I am telling you,
22:02 when did I say that it should not happen,
22:04 if you and I are in control,
22:06 we can make it happen,
22:08 what is the use of you,
22:10 we don't want to become ministers,
22:12 we want the country to move forward,
22:14 the cycle of break,
22:16 is a curse,
22:18 that no one is ready to listen to anyone,
22:20 no one is ready to listen to any institution,
22:22 institutions are happy by making each other naked,
22:24 what can we four do,
22:26 we can sit and talk,
22:28 we can wish,
22:30 Muneeb has said a very good thing,
22:32 we can talk,
22:34 we can go and get the implementation done,
22:36 I am talking to the extent of conversation,
22:38 to say that no one will be happy,
22:40 it seems that the election commission is working properly,
22:42 the politicians will not be happy with the election,
22:44 I believe that it is not necessary,
22:46 that if the election is largely right,
22:48 which you and I will see,
22:50 if we see a small thing,
22:52 we will see a big thing,
22:54 the election commission chief,
22:56 the justice of Pakistan,
22:58 they could not do it,
23:00 they are bureaucrats,
23:02 the country did not suffer from a clean and transparent election,
23:04 it was because of this,
23:06 that the one who wins,
23:08 should not give power,
23:10 should not obey the will of the people,
23:12 the country was broken because of this,
23:14 the country was not broken because of this,
23:16 that there were clean and transparent elections,
23:18 and at that time there was a desire for power,
23:20 let's take a break,
23:22 after the break we will continue the conversation.
23:24 Welcome back viewers,
23:26 the difficulties of PTI will not reduce,
23:28 till the upcoming elections,
23:30 the situation is like this,
23:32 there will be scrutiny,
23:34 let's see who can stand the test of scrutiny,
23:36 the difficulties will increase.
23:38 See, whatever has been done so far,
23:40 either the candidates of the Noon League
23:42 are not complaining,
23:44 or we have seen that Chahat Fateh Ali Khan
23:46 has submitted his nomination papers,
23:48 there is no problem,
23:50 everyone is complaining,
23:52 as far as justice is concerned,
23:54 the first test is his nomination.
23:56 They are complaining,
23:58 they are saying that they need some more space,
24:00 they are saying that,
24:02 I have written a lot of articles,
24:04 you see,
24:06 I think Irfan Siddiqui's column has 3-4 pages,
24:08 if you look at it,
24:10 the content is the same,
24:12 why are they not giving the punishment?
24:14 Every day if you listen to them,
24:16 you will see that everyone is saying,
24:18 why are you not giving them the punishment?
24:20 Because the punishment is inside,
24:22 there is a little space.
24:24 See, those who are Mullahs,
24:26 you must give them the punishment.
24:28 Whether it is a matter of money,
24:30 whether it is someone else,
24:32 whatever it is,
24:34 you must deal with them according to the law,
24:36 but all this is going on,
24:38 has the Noon League's credibility
24:40 remained till now?
24:42 Now the biggest issue is salvage credibility,
24:44 you need that.
24:46 Who has it?
24:48 No one has it,
24:50 but the problem is that,
24:52 Kashif sir,
24:54 this time a little thing has changed,
24:56 this time everything,
24:58 minute by minute,
25:00 your history is being documented,
25:02 on TikTok,
25:04 on different places.
25:06 My friend, if you look back,
25:08 everything is documented.
25:10 We are not talking about the 16th century,
25:12 you tell me 15 statements of Mian sir.
25:14 I can teach you.
25:16 Yes, the same thing,
25:18 teaching and looking in front of you every 2 minutes,
25:20 there is a difference.
25:22 Now these people are seeing again and again,
25:24 and because of this,
25:26 managing things in that way is not so easy.
25:28 We are living in a different age,
25:30 until you realize this,
25:32 you will have problems.
25:34 At this time, the methods are for justice,
25:36 in the future it will be for someone else,
25:38 but overall the issue,
25:40 this is the issue of the whole country,
25:42 if today you make it a new normal,
25:44 then it will become a new normal,
25:46 and where it started,
25:48 it will never be an issue.
25:50 Where will it end,
25:52 will be the real issue.
25:54 I hope we get over this.
25:56 Muneeb, were you saying something?
25:58 No, no, I was listening,
26:00 you ask the question.
26:02 Muneeb sir listens to my talks with great pleasure.
26:04 No, no, he was talking to someone else,
26:06 he was taking you so non-serious,
26:08 what are you doing?
26:10 Don't feel so good about yourself.
26:12 Let me honestly tell you,
26:14 he was talking to someone else,
26:16 I thought he wanted to say something.
26:18 I am sorry.
26:20 Muneeb sir,
26:22 everything has an action consequence,
26:24 every action has a consequence,
26:26 if the elections are not credible,
26:28 like we said earlier,
26:30 the 2018 elections were held,
26:32 some things were done secretly,
26:34 we know what is happening behind the scenes,
26:36 but they were done secretly,
26:38 and suddenly you saw from the first day,
26:40 the selector, selected,
26:42 kings party, all this was going on.
26:44 And for 3-3.5 years,
26:46 till the PDM didn't bring down the government,
26:48 till then this was going on in Pakistan.
26:50 Here, in the 2024 elections,
26:52 if we go in the same way,
26:54 and the elections are held in the same way,
26:56 if the credibility of the process is not there,
26:58 then what credibility will be of the coming government,
27:00 how will that system work?
27:02 Okay, Muneeb sir,
27:04 the question is very relevant,
27:06 but I think,
27:08 it is given,
27:10 that credibility,
27:12 well, earlier also,
27:14 you were right,
27:16 that earlier also,
27:18 it was not an issue,
27:20 but now it is given,
27:22 that you keep the credibility aside,
27:24 credibility is not important,
27:26 and it will not matter.
27:28 The matter is,
27:30 whether we want to have elections or not,
27:32 because the elections have already been delayed,
27:34 I still, I still,
27:36 Not elections, sir,
27:38 let's talk about voting,
27:40 elections means,
27:42 that elections between two parties,
27:44 both together, Nasrin,
27:46 Khulli Field and Jadha Jirjha,
27:48 here the problem is,
27:50 it seems that only voting will be done,
27:52 whatever will be done,
27:54 the result will be known.
27:56 The thing is,
27:58 if the people of a Jamaat,
28:00 or they do not have the people of the Jamaat,
28:02 or they do not know,
28:04 who to vote for,
28:06 or there will be no image of that Jamaat,
28:08 of that Jamaat's election campaign,
28:10 then voting will be the same thing,
28:12 how fair voting will be,
28:14 or how fair at the end of the day,
28:16 the process of election will be.
28:18 But I think,
28:20 it is not relevant now,
28:22 but I still say to you,
28:24 I do not know why,
28:26 I share some things with you,
28:28 we still have about 40 days,
28:30 so something big can happen,
28:32 and who knows,
28:34 maybe something will happen,
28:36 and this issue,
28:38 can happen,
28:40 what do you mean by something?
28:42 Look, Mr. Kajsaab,
28:46 Chief Justice has said,
28:48 I can talk at home,
28:50 over a cup of tea,
28:52 about my wife's elections,
28:54 I cannot talk on TV,
28:56 so what can I say,
28:58 what can I say,
29:00 to make you certain,
29:02 that what I am saying,
29:04 is reaching you.
29:06 Ok, listen,
29:08 first have a cup of tea,
29:10 and you talk to them,
29:12 and we will listen,
29:14 this is the way.
29:16 Yes, this is the way,
29:18 and I will tell you,
29:20 and you will know,
29:22 what you are drinking.
29:24 This is a credibility issue,
29:26 or our process,
29:28 because,
29:30 is it different from 2023-2018?
29:32 Very different,
29:34 very different,
29:36 because a lot happened,
29:38 there was a lot of facilitation,
29:40 and the system was given preference,
29:42 but at the same time,
29:44 that person,
29:46 he was doing big events,
29:48 the situation was completely different,
29:50 now, you see,
29:52 everything is happening for a person,
29:54 this is an impression,
29:56 maybe it is not happening,
29:58 maybe all our friends are taking
30:00 a wrong impression,
30:02 but it seems like,
30:04 everything is happening for a person,
30:06 who is not politically strong enough,
30:08 to come to the field,
30:10 and to compete politically,
30:12 and then we saw,
30:14 till today,
30:16 some high court in Pakistan,
30:18 has said,
30:20 and they have mentioned this,
30:22 again, Supreme Court,
30:24 Qazi Faiz Ishaq,
30:26 and all these honourable judges,
30:28 are sitting and watching,
30:30 the level playing field case was also filed yesterday,
30:32 but now the benches are delisted,
30:34 anything different,
30:36 or is it the same as in the past,
30:38 when judge Shaban will give such comments,
30:40 that our case will not be accepted,
30:42 our case will not work,
30:44 then this will happen,
30:46 then you are sending a message,
30:48 which is wrong overall,
30:50 which is a wrong message,
30:52 I am saying this with respect,
30:54 people come to you,
30:56 as a last hope,
30:58 can I add one thing,
31:00 which will help your argument,
31:02 what is the difference between our courts,
31:04 and American courts,
31:06 yesterday a lawyer was explaining to me,
31:08 that American courts have no way,
31:10 to get their decisions acted on,
31:12 in Pakistan,
31:14 courts have so much power,
31:16 and they have so many contempt cases,
31:18 do you think,
31:20 now I will add this to your argument,
31:22 that they are helpless,
31:24 they are just showing,
31:26 suppose you are helpless,
31:28 you don't express your helplessness,
31:30 you are also getting weak,
31:32 judiciary is also getting weak,
31:34 and the client who has come to you,
31:36 whoever has come,
31:38 you are weakening him also,
31:40 even if you don't do the work,
31:42 when you start talking like this,
31:44 giving judgments,
31:46 commenting,
31:48 that we are helpless,
31:50 our decisions are not being accepted,
31:52 the ones who were supposed to get their decisions,
31:54 remember Iftikhar Chaudhary,
31:56 he says man behind the gun,
31:58 it all depends upon the man behind the gun,
32:00 I have seen Iftikhar Chaudhary,
32:02 or I have seen Saqib Misar,
32:04 let's leave him controversial,
32:06 he is not a good ideal example,
32:08 I am going to his power,
32:10 I have seen in his time,
32:12 your executive,
32:14 your establishment,
32:16 your media,
32:18 all the people,
32:20 they called General Aslam Beg,
32:22 General Aslam Durrani,
32:24 ISI, Asghar Khan,
32:26 the government ministers,
32:28 they sent a minister home,
32:30 serving your Ustad Gilani,
32:32 man behind the gun,
32:34 the next chief justice,
32:36 mostly with respect,
32:38 the powers they had gained,
32:40 the restoration of judiciary,
32:42 the powers the people gave you,
32:44 the people said you go and sit,
32:46 and make independent decisions,
32:48 but that power was abused,
32:50 yes, Iftikhar Chaudhary,
32:52 his son was scandaled,
32:54 Malik Riyad and the company,
32:56 you were compromised,
32:58 but the power was abused,
33:00 I am coming to that,
33:02 the people played with their lives,
33:04 many people were killed,
33:06 there were bomb blasts,
33:08 in Karachi,
33:10 in Islamabad,
33:12 people let them go,
33:14 to free you, to restore your power,
33:16 they restored you,
33:18 today you sit and after the restoration,
33:20 say that our Sunni will not go,
33:22 our Mani will not go,
33:24 then, we keep on saying the idealistic things,
33:26 and we should always do,
33:28 then you were not worthy,
33:30 then you should not have been a judge,
33:32 then you were a lawyer,
33:34 you sit there and see many avenues,
33:36 if you are wearing a robe,
33:38 you are wearing a robe,
33:40 you have a court of English law,
33:42 it says,
33:44 the sky falls,
33:46 do the justice,
33:48 you are saying that my words will not be listened,
33:50 you should give a decision,
33:52 you should give a decision,
33:54 it is the same,
33:56 it is a big film,
33:58 you are on the concept that the sky falls,
34:00 let it fall,
34:02 you remember what they said,
34:04 that the judges should save jobs,
34:06 or make decisions,
34:08 then you don't have to be a judge,
34:10 if you don't have the capacity to take pressure,
34:12 you are in an extraordinary profession,
34:14 it is not a common profession,
34:16 you have to decide the life and death of people,
34:18 and you say that they come on us,
34:20 you remember Justice Naseem Basant Shah,
34:22 he was sitting on TV for 30 years,
34:24 he was crying that I was being pressured,
34:26 and he hanged Bhutto,
34:28 then why did you become a judge,
34:30 you should have left that,
34:32 you should have said that no one will listen,
34:34 no one will do this,
34:36 then it is Allah's will,
34:38 you are talking about political parties,
34:40 you have not started the campaign properly,
34:42 even in the Muslim League,
34:44 I was watching,
34:46 Rana sir said again that there are 100 seats,
34:48 in Punjab there are 100 seats of National Assembly,
34:50 earlier he was saying 125,
34:52 now he is saying 100,
34:54 so this majority that no one will get,
34:56 every person who is connected,
34:58 he says that sir,
35:00 majority is not with anyone,
35:02 if for example,
35:04 Mian sir will come to know that I am not getting majority,
35:06 then what will happen,
35:08 because he is thinking of two thirds,
35:10 or at least simple majority,
35:12 the thing is,
35:14 Mr. Akash,
35:16 Allah knows about the unseen,
35:18 but I think Mian sir has an idea that
35:20 majority will not get that way,
35:22 or as per Mian sir's mind,
35:24 that 100+ seats will be taken,
35:26 this is Punjab,
35:28 Punjab alone is talking about 148,
35:30 that 100+ will be taken,
35:32 Rana sir has said,
35:34 but that's what they have always been saying,
35:36 Rana sir will have his own mathematics,
35:38 but I will just say this,
35:40 that in today's date,
35:42 if this is to happen,
35:44 that he will have to vote,
35:46 then the thing will happen,
35:48 if I run alone and win the race,
35:50 then it will happen,
35:52 but if someone else,
35:54 will run alone,
35:56 then it will be a different matter,
35:58 but if someone else,
36:00 will run alone,
36:02 then it will be a different matter,
36:04 the thing is,
36:06 it depends,
36:08 this will be a little controversial,
36:10 can Mian sir get that many seats,
36:12 or can he get them,
36:14 or will someone be ready to give,
36:16 this is also a big issue,
36:18 because the idea is,
36:20 that the coming government in our country,
36:22 will also be a controlled government,
36:24 it will not have the space,
36:26 to assert,
36:28 and maybe he will understand the method,
36:30 but I don't think,
36:32 that if it happens,
36:34 then nothing can be said about it,
36:36 but PM LN,
36:38 he will say that we are going 100 plus,
36:40 in Punjab,
36:42 and we will get seats in Rajasthan,
36:44 we have South,
36:46 and we will get good seats,
36:48 there is no harm in saying,
36:50 but the thing is,
36:52 that one scenario is,
36:54 that there is an election,
36:56 and it is already controversial,
36:58 and it should get a controversial result,
37:00 one is that,
37:02 before the election,
37:04 some other issues should happen,
37:06 and we should not see the election,
37:08 that we are seeing today,
37:10 I can't say more than this,
37:12 and I think,
37:14 when you talk about this on your vlog,
37:16 and I have to call you,
37:18 and understand what you are saying,
37:20 then you should speak more openly,
37:22 so that we can understand,
37:24 what is being cooked here,
37:26 No, I will tell you here,
37:28 and then you will have a problem,
37:30 I don't have any problem,
37:32 I will tell you openly,
37:34 Ok, take care of us,
37:36 thank you very much,
37:38 but if PTIs,
37:40 go like this in the election,
37:42 are they happy?
37:44 If they are allowed to fight in the election,
37:46 and they got the ballot,
37:48 and they got the ballots,
37:50 and the most candidates,
37:52 are from their side,
37:54 and they know that,
37:56 if they are allowed to participate in the election,
37:58 if they get the ballot,
38:00 then I think,
38:02 there will be no confusion,
38:04 if they get the ballot,
38:06 then there will be confusion,
38:08 but they are talking to a small party,
38:10 if they don't get the ballot,
38:12 then they will fight for one sign of that party,
38:14 so this is one thing,
38:16 and if they don't get the ballot,
38:18 then they will fight for one sign of that party,
38:20 No, there is another party,
38:22 Rahe Haq Party,
38:24 there is a small party,
38:26 and they will fight for one sign of that party,
38:28 that's an interesting one,
38:30 if this is plan B and plan C,
38:32 if a party,
38:34 who has the ballot,
38:36 but no candidates,
38:38 they will borrow the ballot,
38:40 and will ask the candidates to give 200 rupees,
38:42 this is one principle of politics,
38:44 they will never trust anyone,
38:46 you will trust the small party,
38:48 you will beat them,
38:50 you have seen the big parties,
38:52 so I think,
38:54 PTI will not try to repeat this mistake,
38:56 the smaller the party,
38:58 the more they will be compromised,
39:00 the more they will be manipulated,
39:02 and the whole party will be hijacked,
39:04 and they will be allotting the ballots,
39:06 and the party will be running in the National Assembly,
39:08 and they will decide,
39:10 who will be allowed to vote,
39:12 and who will not,
39:14 so I don't think PTI will do this,
39:16 and for that,
39:18 the women's parties,
39:20 or the minority parties,
39:22 should have been named,
39:24 if not, they will not get seats,
39:26 I am saying,
39:28 you are cutting all the power,
39:30 and giving it to the small party,
39:32 and the head of that party,
39:34 I am telling you the political strategy,
39:36 you are saying,
39:38 that they will be hijacked,
39:40 because many people will not understand,
39:42 and if they remove the seats,
39:44 in the whole environment,
39:46 on the basis of some other party,
39:48 then the game will change,
39:50 if you want to see it that way,
39:52 you can see it,
39:54 but I am saying,
39:56 that the women there,
39:58 or the people,
40:00 there is no problem of women in Bakhar Laiya,
40:02 in the whole of Pakistan,
40:04 I am telling you,
40:06 the head of the party,
40:08 Let's take a break.
40:09 Breakout is with you.