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- Shahzad Iqbal (Analyst)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
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Anti-Judiciary Statements - Who is behind it? - Experts' Analysis
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
- Shahzad Iqbal (Analyst)
- Fahad Hussain (Analyst)
SC allows PTI Chief to appear in court via video link - Experts' Reaction - Abbasi Told Everything
Anti-Judiciary Statements - Who is behind it? - Experts' Analysis
" Yeh Aik Intehai Mazhaka Khaiz Qisam Ka Case Hai," Ather Kazmi
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00:00 Asalamu alaikum, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi. First, let me introduce the guests. Atar Kazmi is with us in the studio. Thank you very much.
00:20 Shahzad Iqbal will join us in a while. Senior Safi Faad Hussain is with us. Faad sahab, asalamu alaikum. Thank you very much. Let me tell you what we would like to talk about.
00:30 On one hand, there were three press conferences against Adalia. I would like to tell you what was said in those.
00:38 It seems that Adalia was a thought that the situation is going towards, Babar Sattar's letter, Imran Khan's Jalwa Afroz will be held tomorrow in the Supreme Court through a video link. But what did he say? Listen.
00:56 Now if anyone in Pakistan raises a turban, we will make their turban football.
01:02 Those people are calculating who themselves do not comply with Basak Tarehsad.
01:05 Whenever anyone speaks against the establishment in this country, its foundations should be checked immediately. Because there is an increase somewhere.
01:13 We will do mischief, double mischief. There is clarity. Stop targeting our institutions. Enough is enough.
01:19 You cannot call a judge in the Parliament. If anyone in any country is talking against the establishment, it is nothing but an external conspiracy.
01:29 Blaming anyone will not work. Now you will have to give evidence in the scale that who intervened.
01:35 Pressure is also made from the news. Mr. Gokhla, they pressurize. The Parliament should take 100 votes.
01:41 So you heard that the system of the court and the court has started a series of criticisms on it again.
01:52 We will talk about this too. Will Imran Khan be able to come on TV tomorrow? Will there be a video link? Will the video link be down due to security?
02:01 What will happen tomorrow? We will talk about this too. Today Imran Khan was bailed out in a case of £190 million.
02:09 But there are still two cases left. How much is the possibility of his release? We will talk about this too.
02:14 And today Bilawal Bhutto gave a very harsh speech against justice.
02:19 It seems that the CM Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's decision to go to the KP House, the NXE of the Governor, is being rejected more.
02:32 Mr. Fahad, I will start with you. Will Imran Khan come on TV tomorrow?
02:38 Look Kashif, it is clear from the Supreme Court that they have to address the court in the video link.
02:46 They have to listen to the court. And when the court publishes its proceedings live on its YouTube channel,
02:54 then all channels show it and show it for a long time.
02:58 So in my opinion, and what I have checked so far, there is no proper listening that they are showing their direct transmission of this case on YouTube or not.
03:11 If they are showing it and the channels do not show it, then I think there will be a huge controversy.
03:19 So I think it will be very interesting. I will not speculate on it because the way things are going on,
03:28 any time there can be a decision. But I think if the Supreme Court is showing it, then the channels will also show it.
03:35 So you are saying that if the Supreme Court is showing it, then it will be shown. But this responsibility is quite a lot.
03:41 The problem is that who will be burdened? One, the link should not be down.
03:45 It should not be said that because of the technical fault, because the court said make sure,
03:49 make sure that there is no link issue in the previous proceedings.
03:53 And secondly, that it should go live from the court.
03:57 Because these proceedings always go live on the first bench.
04:01 The court will telecast it. All the hearings of court number one, some people were speculating that
04:07 the case that was in court number one, may not be telecasted.
04:13 It may not be live telecasted, but we saw that all the hearings are live telecasted.
04:17 The case of the reserved seat was also seen. So that will happen.
04:20 The channel of the Supreme Court website will also be broadcast.
04:24 We do not know whether the state television channels do this or not.
04:30 This will be seen tomorrow. If this happens, then what will happen?
04:32 We will have to see what the court orders.
04:34 Because you must remember that whenever someone brings MNA of Imran Khan in the parliament,
04:38 then PTV blacks it out.
04:42 You saw the hockey match. Someone showed a picture in it.
04:45 So the hockey match was coming on PTV sports. PTV blacked it out.
04:48 So far we have seen that the unsaid rule.
04:52 The rule of Pemra's orders.
04:55 No, there are no orders. I think there are unsaid orders.
04:58 So now we have to see whether it is broadcast on channels or not.
05:01 But I think if you say that the link is down, then it will be available later.
05:06 It will be on social media. Even if the TV is not shown.
05:09 The problem is that even if the TV is not shown, you can go and stream it later.
05:12 It will be on social media.
05:14 But I think this is more important.
05:17 But you will see your hand on the TV.
05:19 I don't know about TV, but I say it will be on social media.
05:21 And if you say that the link may be down, then we will see later.
05:24 But I think more importantly, what will happen?
05:27 Because this is a highly technical matter.
05:29 Qazi Faiz has said that you have to discuss the law and the constitution.
05:33 And this platform should not be used for anything else.
05:35 I came here to ask this.
05:37 This is a technical matter.
05:41 Will Imran Khan give a political speech here?
05:43 If he does, I don't think the bench will allow him to do so.
05:47 Because you will have to stop at the legal and constitutional points.
05:50 So let's see how prepared Imran Khan is.
05:52 If he comes tomorrow.
05:54 Then we will discuss the matter.
05:56 What evidence will you take tomorrow?
05:58 I think the first case is that this legislation should not have been made.
06:03 And those people who made the legislation, the majority of them were accused.
06:08 The government has senior leadership and there are cases of NAB.
06:11 And they will say that I too have a NAB case.
06:14 And if this law is changed again, then I will be harmed or I will benefit.
06:20 But despite that, the first plea I took, they will take the same plea.
06:24 They will have the same stance.
06:26 I don't know how much they know about their creepy means.
06:30 But they are saying that they have started making notes as well.
06:33 On what they will talk about.
06:35 And they have already talked about this.
06:37 So I think they will have the same stance as before.
06:39 That the way this law was changed was wrong.
06:42 Those people changed it who benefited from it.
06:45 But apart from this, the court will not let the court go beyond these parameters.
06:50 That only the case is going on, the evidence should be given to the extent of the case.
06:54 Look Kashif, I think this will be a test of the judges.
07:02 That can they handle Imran Khan in the way that no TV anchor has ever been able to do.
07:07 You tell me Kashif, when someone used to interview Imran Khan.
07:11 And he started asking some questions in between.
07:14 How many chances did he get to answer?
07:16 He used to say, no wait, let me finish the talk.
07:18 Then all the anchors used to be silent.
07:20 And then he used to do his entire speech.
07:22 And no one could have said that we will not air this.
07:25 Because if Khan is being interviewed, then he has to get a rating as well.
07:28 So now we have to see tomorrow, whether the judges can interrupt Imran Khan in a way,
07:33 and cut off the way no TV anchor has ever been able to do.
07:37 So let's see who is a better anchor, the judges or the anchors themselves.
07:41 I think this is a test tomorrow.
07:42 Sir, let me tell you my experience.
07:45 I think, I have always found that whenever I have interviewed him,
07:50 my style is also like this, I naturally cut in whatever the view is.
07:55 Yes, in some cases he must have said, let me finish this argument.
08:00 But largely, I am telling you my personal view.
08:02 Largely, I don't think that I have ever had a problem with this,
08:05 that Khan sir has tried to bulldoze the interview.
08:08 I have done such interviews, which come back after a few months.
08:13 You must remember that famous interview of Imran Khan.
08:17 I have done such interviews, I have done all kinds of interviews.
08:20 I think he was one guy, with whom I didn't have to do this or that in an interview.
08:25 Never happened, at least in my case.
08:27 I am not saying that he didn't want to keep his point of view.
08:30 He wanted to complete some things as well.
08:32 The bench will get more courage after listening to you.
08:34 I am sure you will also get courage.
08:37 I will give you two points.
08:39 You will also be able to do this work in a day, you should do it.
08:42 But there is one thing.
08:45 Two points, first thing is that whenever Imran Khan sir has given an interview,
08:51 it is a set piece of his.
08:53 And obviously we also know that his clear thought was to repeat things.
08:59 And he was not successful in that.
09:01 Whatever the interview, he has to talk the same, give the same answer.
09:05 And do his own thing in the same way.
09:07 Yes, sometimes he would get stuck with a foreign interview and it would be a problem.
09:12 Now what will happen tomorrow?
09:14 If he is live tomorrow, if you are Imran Khan sir,
09:17 do you think you would stick to only the legal arguments?
09:22 He is getting a chance, he will address the nation.
09:26 Now what will the judges do?
09:28 Will stop, will stop him.
09:31 And if he still doesn't stop, what will they do?
09:33 Will they say, stop him, link him down?
09:35 I think it is a very interesting development.
09:38 Nohin Khan sir will take full advantage of it.
09:41 It is very interesting because he was getting the first chance after 8-10 months,
09:45 after August, that he can talk openly to people.
09:49 So I think how he will go back and forth blurring these lines,
09:53 it will be very interesting.
09:55 Today I told you, there were many press conferences.
09:59 Adliya, and Adliya is a very clear target.
10:03 Faisal Wada sir has said a lot of things in his press conference.
10:08 Moosamjeeq Noon jumped in the middle.
10:10 MQM's governor jumped in the middle.
10:12 Has there been a face-off?
10:14 This happened in the court, a letter came from Babar Sattar sir,
10:18 another letter came from Babar Sattar sir.
10:20 Is this a pushback?
10:22 It is a pushback and many people have got bail today,
10:25 Imran Khan, from Islamabad High Court, for 190 million pounds.
10:29 They are also connected to the fact that Adliya is resisting from the other side.
10:32 I said I don't have conclusive evidence of such things,
10:36 and I don't have conclusive opinion either,
10:38 because we often say that you can guess what the decision is by looking at the bench.
10:42 Justice Amir Farooq was also there,
10:44 and Justice Amir Farooq is not among those 6 judges who wrote the letter.
10:48 In fact, the letter of those 6 judges accuses them in a way
10:51 that they did not take any action when this was brought to their knowledge.
10:54 And some people were also saying that this matter could go to the Supreme Judicial Council.
10:58 So, because of the formation of the bench,
11:00 after that this decision came,
11:02 so can it be said definitively that this is a pushback or Adliya is resisting?
11:06 This is difficult.
11:07 Anyway, there is an opinion that because all the brother judges get together,
11:10 so maybe the pressure coming from the other side is being tried to resist.
11:14 If you want to take on the face of it,
11:16 then you have seen what happened in the last 1-2 hearings.
11:18 When documents were asked for a secret agreement,
11:20 if the British government and the property tycoon were to bring that agreement,
11:25 they could not present it to the prosecutor,
11:27 the new prosecutor, then maybe the case is on the face of it.
11:30 So, maybe that's why they got bail.
11:32 But the back cover is also being read like this.
11:34 But if you want, I would like to talk about it,
11:36 the press conference that Mr. Wada did today.
11:38 Look, one matter is legal and legal.
11:40 It is necessary for the parliamentarian that he cannot be dual national,
11:45 after that only Pakistani nationality should be there.
11:47 Mr. Wada is a senator, so instead of doing a press conference,
11:50 he should take an amendment and say that this law should be applicable
11:54 to judges and generals.
11:55 Until it is not there, how can you ask anyone to prove it?
11:58 And the second thing is that this is not a matter of nationality.
12:01 If you have a green card of the US, that does not mean you are dual national.
12:05 So, it is a technical...
12:06 I said the same thing with the law, I did not do anything illegal.
12:08 You did not do anything illegal.
12:09 And if his claim is that he had told his former Chief Justice,
12:12 Mr. Athar Manohla, and did not tell in written,
12:15 then he will be trapped. Why will he be trapped?
12:17 He did not have any binding on telling.
12:19 If he has told while taking a high moral ground,
12:21 then he has done his work.
12:23 Now, if he is not a citizen and has a green card,
12:26 then under which law will you arrest him?
12:29 In our court, there are such people, such judges,
12:32 who have dual nationality.
12:33 If you want to make a law, then it is the job of the parliament.
12:36 The parliament should make a law, like for the parliamentarians.
12:38 But when there is no law, then why will anyone answer?
12:40 One is the argument.
12:42 The second is, you remember, for a long time,
12:45 the politician, Mr. Mariam Nawaz Sharif,
12:48 has put up pictures in the gatherings,
12:50 and said a lot about the sitting judges of that time,
12:53 in which the Chief Justice was present.
12:55 And now, these are those judges,
12:57 about whom it is not being said that they are politicians.
13:00 Or that they are judges of one side or the other.
13:02 Babur Sattar has become Justice Athar Manohla.
13:05 Sometimes one side is happy, sometimes the other side is happy.
13:08 One is happy with one decision, and the other is happy with another.
13:11 But what will the court do?
13:13 Now, these are the first three press conferences,
13:15 but maybe these are not the last three, Mr. Athar Kazmi.
13:18 Something will happen in this.
13:20 Will the court do something?
13:21 Because, as the Chief Justice said,
13:23 nothing happened while I was there.
13:25 Now, the case that Babur Sattar has written,
13:28 happened while he was there.
13:30 He said, "See what I do."
13:31 Now, what will happen?
13:32 I would like to make a small comment,
13:34 about Imran Khan's interviews.
13:36 I think, as the Prime Minister,
13:38 all the interviews that he has given,
13:41 no ruler in the history of Pakistan has given so many interviews.
13:44 Mian Sahib was in London for four years,
13:46 and he approached every institution from BBC.
13:49 But Mian Sahib said, "I will not give, I will not give, I will not give interviews."
13:52 But that's a personal choice.
13:53 That's what I am saying.
13:54 The reason I am saying this is that Imran Khan never said,
13:57 "I will not give interviews to this or that."
13:59 So, it is very important for me to clear this.
14:01 The second thing is, what will the court do?
14:04 The bigger question than the court is, what will the government do?
14:06 Today, see which personalities are speaking on behalf of the government,
14:09 or on behalf of the executive.
14:11 How much political say does Tosuri Sahib have?
14:14 Is Tosuri Sahib such a personality,
14:16 that he has a lot of political sway?
14:18 No.
14:19 The governor about whom the party had also said,
14:21 that this is not our government.
14:22 But this is the governor,
14:23 whose party broke down on the issue of becoming a senator.
14:25 The party did not believe that he was our senator.
14:27 Similarly, Wadah Sahib is free.
14:29 He is not with any party.
14:31 Similarly, Talal Chaudhry Sahib,
14:33 who is in the position of the president,
14:35 if these press conferences are held by big leaders,
14:37 like Mian Sahib, Shahbaz Sharif Sahib,
14:39 Bilawal Sahib, Zardari Sahib.
14:41 This is just a trailer, sir.
14:43 See, today is the first day,
14:45 and there have been three.
14:47 In which Wadah Sahib used a harsh language.
14:49 Talal Sahib, if he wanted, he would have been harsh.
14:51 If he did not want, he would have done something.
14:53 And Tosuri Sahib would have been straightforward,
14:55 that sir, then see, check,
14:57 whose properties are outside.
14:59 But this is the first reaction.
15:01 Is this the last reaction?
15:03 No, I think the voters will also be tested.
15:05 When the reaction comes,
15:07 if there is a minister,
15:09 then there can be more problems for him.
15:11 I think what is happening now,
15:13 you are seeing a snowball effect.
15:15 The letter of six judges is not such a small matter.
15:17 It was the matter of Shaukat Siddiqui,
15:19 there was one judge, he was released.
15:21 He was not handled by you,
15:23 by the executive, by the government.
15:25 Six present service judges of the High Court,
15:27 if you are saying that you will brush
15:29 under the carpet, that is not possible.
15:31 This is its snowball effect.
15:33 And you will see what...
15:35 Sorry to interrupt, Lahore High Court,
15:37 Peshawar High Court, both have their own records.
15:39 I was coming to that side.
15:41 You must remember the lion of North Jhansi High Court,
15:43 which has increased.
15:45 I was coming to that side that these are six judges
15:47 and along with this, the people of other courts,
15:49 the High Courts, the District Judiciary,
15:51 you have seen them.
15:53 Then you are seeing that the matter is going on
15:55 in Lahore High Court.
15:57 The Chief Justice has nominated
15:59 five anti-terrorist judges in the court.
16:01 The government is not notifying them
16:03 because they are being charged.
16:05 Nine names have been sent for the tribunals.
16:07 Yes, and the tribunals are not being notified.
16:09 So, along with the court,
16:11 you are seeing the tension of the executive
16:13 in many places.
16:15 I think that if the government
16:17 does not handle it well,
16:19 then it will become a sacrifice
16:21 which is happening a lot in the press conferences.
16:23 Mr. Fahad, how are you seeing
16:25 the three press conferences that have been held today?
16:27 Obviously, there has been a pushback.
16:29 A message has been given
16:31 in three different press conferences.
16:33 But where will this matter go?
16:35 Will this matter increase
16:37 in the coming days?
16:39 Unfortunately,
16:41 I think that this matter will increase
16:43 because the way
16:45 the matters are moving forward
16:47 and the decisions
16:49 coming from the court,
16:51 I will not say that
16:53 there is an institutional pushback.
16:55 Because I do not think
16:57 that the reaction of the court
16:59 so far is an institutional reaction.
17:01 And you see that as a result,
17:03 the press conferences
17:05 from the other side
17:07 are also not being held against
17:09 the whole institution.
17:11 It is a very selective targeting.
17:13 I think this will continue like this.
17:15 Now, there are two important issues.
17:17 The first is that the divisions
17:19 within the court,
17:21 there are two divisions,
17:23 there is nothing hidden in it.
17:25 Do they come into play or not?
17:27 If there is institutional
17:29 convergence and there is a pushback
17:31 in that way, then it is a different matter.
17:33 If this does not happen
17:35 and these individuals are the target,
17:37 then I think,
17:39 even if they are three or four judges
17:41 of the Islamabad High Court,
17:43 I agree that writing their letter
17:45 is a very big thing.
17:47 There are no two opinions in this.
17:49 So, I think it depends.
17:51 Why am I saying this, Kashif,
17:53 that I think the cases will go ahead.
17:55 Because, see, the bottom line
17:57 is that what is the attitude
17:59 towards Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf?
18:01 Is it getting relief or not?
18:03 And if the chairman of PTI,
18:05 the former chairman,
18:07 comes to the Supreme Court tomorrow
18:09 and after that, the case of his bail,
18:11 which is gradually going in his favor,
18:13 if this trend is seen,
18:15 then this matter of the press conferences,
18:17 I think, will be more intense.
18:19 But this trend will be seen
18:21 because you have said,
18:23 the Shahzad of Muslim League Noon,
18:25 that the way the punishments have been given,
18:27 Rana Sahib is a lawyer,
18:29 I remember Nayyar Bukhari Sahib,
18:31 I can name many of the government
18:33 groups who used to say
18:35 that the way the cases will be decided,
18:37 they will not stand in the courts.
18:39 What was the need to make such decisions?
18:41 A decision like Iddat,
18:43 which the government people themselves
18:45 have given, will be given.
18:47 So, these decisions will be made.
18:49 So, this trend will be made,
18:51 because the decisions were wrong.
18:53 So, obviously, their reversal is also easy.
18:55 The PTI's Mukhla is saying that
18:57 they are taking a lot of time.
18:59 These decisions should have been overturned
19:01 very soon.
19:03 But then the fight will also increase.
19:05 Obviously, the government has
19:07 half-heartedly jumped into this fight.
19:09 Talha Chaudhary Sahib did a big
19:11 press conference of Milla Jullah Rojanki
19:13 yesterday. Yesterday, we saw that
19:15 Azam Nazeer Tariq Sahib spoke,
19:17 Ataullah Tarar Sahib, who is the
19:19 Information Minister, also spoke.
19:21 He only spoke about the letter.
19:23 Here, the decision is being made.
19:25 Yesterday, he also spoke about the
19:27 Green Card. When Justice Babar
19:29 Sattar was being appointed as a judge,
19:31 one member opposed him,
19:33 and that was PTI's Ali Muhammad Khan.
19:35 Apart from this, all the people of the
19:37 opposition, including the people of
19:39 the Noon League, the People's Party,
19:41 were standing with Babar Sattar Sahib.
19:43 He says that Ali Muhammad Khan
19:45 had made this a request.
19:47 He opposed it. He told them to support it,
19:49 but PTI did not support it.
19:51 So, the people who are criticizing
19:53 him today, that there is a Green Card,
19:55 you should have seen that he is a Green Card
19:57 holder, because he had already told
19:59 Babar Sattar Sahib's statement.
20:01 He said that he had already told him
20:03 that these are my properties and this is my Green Card.
20:05 The Green Card is not the issue.
20:07 The issue is the letter.
20:09 If these letters were not there,
20:11 then these were not the issues.
20:13 Apart from this, you know about
20:15 some other cases, about the audio
20:17 leaks. I am saying that the cases
20:19 have ended. The case will be closed,
20:21 but now, after yesterday's letter,
20:23 it has increased rapidly.
20:25 Now, Attorney General has said that
20:27 he is being influenced. Babar Sattar
20:29 has said very clearly that the head of the
20:31 institution, the high officials,
20:33 have told him to step back.
20:35 It was not said that the Attorney General
20:37 has said this. I have received this
20:39 message from his office. So, I see
20:41 that if these decisions start coming
20:43 against the wishes of the people,
20:45 obviously, there is a political
20:47 design, that things should be done
20:49 in this political design. If decisions
20:51 start coming against it, then it will
20:53 become a problem. The people whom
20:55 you have mentioned, Rana Sinhawala and
20:57 other people, I think it is very obvious,
20:59 especially in the last week of the election,
21:01 the three punishments that took place,
21:03 in that, the case of Tosha Khanna,
21:05 when he gave a list that he is our
21:07 witness, he rejected it, that we will
21:09 not close his statement.
21:11 Somewhere, you told the state
21:13 prosecutor that you will investigate.
21:15 Somewhere, the statement of the
21:17 last accused of 342, you did not take it.
21:19 At that time, in fact, I was getting
21:21 the impression that are these mistakes
21:23 being deliberately left, that tomorrow
21:25 some decisions can be reversed.
21:27 And it will be easy to reverse.
21:29 I was getting this impression because
21:31 it was done so blatantly, in such a
21:33 way that the people of the government
21:35 were also saying that these judgments
21:37 will not be able to stand. Either
21:39 they will be remanded, they will be
21:41 trialled again, or these cases will be
21:43 blown away. So, I think the fate of
21:45 these cases is very obvious. But the
21:47 question is, will Imran Khan come out
21:49 after this? I think it will not be
21:51 that easy. He has got bail of £190
21:53 million today, but when this case
21:55 will be taken to the new court, there
21:57 are many witnesses, their testimonies
21:59 have been made, there is a case of
22:01 9th May, he may be punished. So, I do not
22:03 think that the state and the government
22:05 are thinking that Imran Khan will
22:07 come out and they will try their best.
22:09 That is why the case is pending.
22:11 If there are trials, then another
22:13 case will be given in a good time,
22:15 in another case, and then it will
22:17 take 4-6 months for the bail. So,
22:19 Imran Khan is not coming out.
22:21 No, see, the government will try.
22:23 Now, the case of Iddat, in that also
22:25 the lawyers of Khawar Manikar are saying
22:27 that I have to go to Denmark, so it
22:29 will be a little difficult for me to
22:31 go to Denmark. But the issue here is
22:33 that this case, this £190 million,
22:35 £190 million, we keep hearing
22:37 from morning to evening, where is the
22:39 £190 million? Yes, it is with the
22:41 government. What is the government
22:43 doing? It is taking profit on it.
22:45 So, this is a very controversial
22:47 kind of case. It was a civil matter
22:49 between the NCA and Malik Riaz
22:51 family. They sent the money from
22:53 their private accounts. If there was
22:55 any secret agreement, that any paper
22:57 that was presented by Shehzad Akbar
22:59 as a Mubayna and Imran Khan said
23:01 that no one will open it, then Shahbaz
23:03 Sharif will say, open it, show it to
23:05 the whole nation. Where is that paper?
23:07 So, I think it is not so easy to keep
23:09 this kind of case inside legally.
23:11 But the government will wish to
23:13 somehow delay it. And the second,
23:15 Justice Babur Sattar, Justice Atar
23:17 Minola. See, some judges have
23:19 said that their basic human rights,
23:21 personal freedoms, their decisions
23:23 regarding them, I think in this
23:25 historical and legal era, they are
23:27 like light. These people should be
23:29 celebrated. In any society, if there
23:31 are such judges, PTI people used to
23:33 oppose them. Noon League people are
23:35 not happy with them. People's Party
23:37 people have a problem with them. So,
23:39 they must be doing something or the other.
23:41 So, I think, everyone should work
23:43 according to their own rules. If they
23:45 don't take things to heart, then
23:47 matters will be fine. Let's take a
23:49 break from here. After the break,
23:51 we will talk about some political
23:53 issues.
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