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۔IHC acquits PTI Chief and Shah Mahmood Qureshi in Cipher case | Kashif Abbasi's Analysis
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00:00 Asalam o alikum, you are watching Kashif Abbasi's program.
00:03 Today, in the Cypher case,
00:05 Imran Khan and Shah Mahmood Qureshi were sentenced to death
00:10 and were released by the Islamabad High Court.
00:13 The cases that were made,
00:15 there were many cases that were decided,
00:17 but many were decided in a hurry.
00:19 Now Imran Khan is being punished in the Iddat case.
00:23 The marriage that he got,
00:25 because of that marriage,
00:27 Imran Khan is in jail today.
00:28 The rest of the cases have been closed one by one.
00:31 Many cases are being made.
00:33 As Aitaz Yasin said,
00:35 Imran Khan's release is not going to be as planned.
00:44 But now, the case of Iddat is left,
00:46 which the government,
00:48 the people of the government,
00:50 all those people who give their view or analysis,
00:54 who say that in a very bad and wrong case,
00:57 the case of Iddat was sentenced.
00:59 You must remember,
01:01 a few days ago, we had a holiday of Yawm-e-Takbir.
01:04 We remembered that holiday after 26 years.
01:07 Today, you know why that holiday was given.
01:10 Because this Cypher case was supposed to be on that day.
01:13 And on that day, in view of this Cypher case,
01:17 the holiday was announced so that it does not happen.
01:20 But then a few days passed,
01:22 this case was again filed.
01:24 And today, the court has sentenced him.
01:27 I was talking to a reporter.
01:29 He said, usually,
01:31 when the decisions of Justice Samir Farooq are given to the media
01:34 by the secretary or by the judge,
01:39 today, he came to the court himself,
01:42 the judge, the divisional bench,
01:44 both came to the court,
01:46 and he read this decision himself.
01:49 So, what can be the reason for this?
01:53 Obviously, there was a lot of criticism for a long time.
01:56 So, maybe this could be a reason.
01:58 He said, let's hear this big decision ourselves,
02:01 today, in the court.
02:03 Official Secret Act,
02:05 the issue of national security,
02:07 we have heard these big words for a long time in the past.
02:10 Many people, or there are security threats in this country,
02:13 or there are threats of national security,
02:16 or strange cases are brought against them,
02:19 statements are made.
02:21 The problem in this case was that
02:23 Imran Khan made a political statement on a cipher case.
02:26 But it was said that there is also a violation of the Official Secret Act,
02:30 national security was put in danger,
02:32 personal interests were tried to be gained.
02:35 Many issues were made in this cipher case.
02:39 When this case went to the Supreme Court for a bail,
02:44 they decided that if the cipher is out,
02:47 coded language,
02:49 then it is the crime of the office of expense, not of anyone else.
02:52 What political statements did Imran Khan make?
02:55 If he felt that after reading this,
02:57 it was demarched,
02:59 that there was pressure to remove it,
03:01 now, obviously, people make this decision at home,
03:04 and history will improve this decision,
03:06 that what happened, what did not happen,
03:08 because many statements were changed after that.
03:11 But to punish in this way,
03:13 many cases are made because of politics.
03:16 If you are right in your political positioning,
03:20 then you can get away with it.
03:22 And if you are wrong, then you get trapped.
03:24 As we say in Punjabi,
03:26 if you want to trap someone, you get trapped from any side.
03:29 There are many different cases.
03:31 We give examples of this case again and again,
03:33 I don't think he will be able to hold the case.
03:35 But let's talk about this.
03:37 Mr. Musawar Maaz Koker is present.
03:39 Mr. Akhil Malik is present.
03:41 He has done a very good press conference on behalf of the government.
03:44 Issues of national security.
03:46 And Salman Akram Raja is present with me.
03:48 Thank you very much, Mr. Raja.
03:50 Who told you to do this press conference?
03:52 I am asking for my own idea.
03:54 The decision of CYFIR was made there,
03:56 and you saw it on TV.
03:58 And after that, all the...
04:00 Thank you very much, Mr. Ghash.
04:02 Who was to say?
04:04 Obviously, there is a position of the government,
04:06 and the government's position should be in front of the people.
04:08 Nobody says to present the government's position in front of the people.
04:12 The government itself decides that we have to put our position in front of the people.
04:16 And some facts, which are perhaps the ultimate truth,
04:19 that CYFIR is a reality.
04:21 CYFIR was waved.
04:23 A drama was played with CYFIR,
04:25 to gain political mileage.
04:27 A lot of effort was made, and perhaps to a large extent, it was successful.
04:30 So all these things...
04:32 All this is illegal.
04:34 I mean, a CYFIR comes.
04:36 And you say, "Is it right or wrong to make statements?"
04:38 In this country, most statements are made wrong.
04:40 Aren't they made?
04:42 You yourself say that all the statements in Pakistan are made on the basis of lies.
04:46 Let's assume for a second that this is the case.
04:48 In this, illegal work...
04:50 It can be said that CYFIR's copy and our code were published somewhere.
04:54 Where was the wrong?
04:56 Where was the corruption?
04:58 I want to ask you where the corruption was in this.
05:00 The corruption in this is the compromise on national security.
05:02 You have pushed national security towards danger and peril.
05:07 In this way, any leader,
05:09 tomorrow, whether he is a politician or...
05:11 Do you have a definition of national security?
05:13 Yes, of course.
05:14 I don't have it.
05:15 No, the definition of national security is that...
05:17 National security?
05:18 Yes, the definition of national security is that
05:20 what is in the interest of the country,
05:22 and what is national security,
05:24 there can be no politics on it,
05:26 no joke can be made,
05:28 no compromise can be made on it.
05:30 And it should not be done.
05:32 Because this is also a fact.
05:34 You must remember, in April 2022,
05:36 when it was circulated and the confession of crimes was made,
05:38 when it was said that this conspiracy was against me,
05:40 then U-turn was taken.
05:42 That no, no, America did not do it,
05:44 then they took someone else's name.
05:46 Earlier it was said that a vote was done,
05:48 later it was said that an export was done.
05:50 So, these statements were used for their political purposes.
05:52 Our ambassadors outside,
05:54 and most of the ambassadors here,
05:56 these cables go, diplomatic cables.
05:58 So, maybe the ambassador here will not send it.
06:00 Or the ambassadors here will also...
06:02 No, but there was a serious language, that is why it was demarched.
06:04 Your government also said that the right decisions were made.
06:06 There was a strict language.
06:08 But this is not to create a rift in the public.
06:10 There was interference in internal matters.
06:12 It is not deniability that politics was done on Cipher,
06:14 and that Cipher was tried to be looked at as a political party.
06:16 And it is still missing.
06:18 The Cipher, which was a copy,
06:20 is still missing.
06:22 In that, they also confess crimes.
06:24 Okay.
06:26 Aazam Khan, who was their principal secretary,
06:28 also says that the copy that was supposed to be sent back,
06:30 the export office,
06:32 it has not been sent back.
06:34 Salman Raja Sahib,
06:36 these cases, which are the cases of national security,
06:38 I remember a parallel to this,
06:40 I remember it from Don Leaks,
06:42 in the past.
06:44 That thing, in which we used to talk on TV every day,
06:46 one day we came to know that this is a matter of national security,
06:48 there should be a lot of strictness on this.
06:50 And the Prime Minister is being fired,
06:52 and tweets are being rejected on it,
06:54 and what was happening at that time.
06:56 And now this national security,
06:58 was this a political case, in your opinion,
07:00 this Cipher case, Rai Sahib?
07:02 Yes, it was not even political,
07:04 it was a case based on malice.
07:06 Look, it was nothing,
07:08 it was a matter of fun,
07:10 it was a whole matter.
07:12 Cipher is a document,
07:14 it is said that its code is there,
07:16 if that code gets into the hands of the enemy,
07:18 it causes a lot of damage to the country.
07:20 It was found that Cipher lives there,
07:22 in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
07:24 a copy is made,
07:26 it goes to four or five of our big offices,
07:28 and if the Prime Minister's house
07:30 goes and that copy is lost,
07:32 then it is written in the code,
07:34 what to do,
07:36 the principal secretary's job is to inform,
07:38 and it is not a crime,
07:40 it is a completely imagined thing,
07:42 in our rules, in the protocol,
07:44 the guidelines for the Cipher documents,
07:46 that when their copy,
07:48 and there is no code on that copy,
07:50 that copy is there only for information,
07:52 if it gets lost,
07:54 then the principal secretary has to tell
07:56 that it has been lost,
07:58 and for that whatever steps are there,
08:00 are given in the protocol, in the guidelines.
08:02 So it has nothing to do with any crime,
08:04 from a distance.
08:06 In the court, the same question was asked,
08:08 to the principal secretary,
08:10 to Azam Khan,
08:12 that what happened,
08:14 when did you inform that it has been lost,
08:16 and it has been lost,
08:18 and the enemy has taken advantage of it,
08:20 or our relations with America,
08:22 has deteriorated,
08:24 and what has been done,
08:26 and if you remember,
08:28 there was a war between the two countries,
08:30 how does it prove that?
08:32 Nothing.
08:34 It was a very funny thing,
08:36 a white piece of paper was flung
08:38 during a speech,
08:40 what was that piece of paper,
08:42 no one knows,
08:44 what national secrets were revealed from it,
08:46 nothing was revealed,
08:48 a principal secretary has this right,
08:50 in fact it is his responsibility,
08:52 under the constitution of Pakistan,
08:54 if he thinks that Pakistan's interests
08:56 are being harmed,
08:58 due to some foreign power's actions,
09:00 then there is no obligation on him,
09:02 that he should remain silent,
09:04 he is the principal secretary of Pakistan,
09:06 he is the elected head of the country,
09:08 he can say to the public,
09:10 that in my opinion,
09:12 he has taken a step against the democracy of Pakistan,
09:14 there is no crime in this,
09:16 to say that we should remain silent,
09:18 and fearful of foreign powers,
09:20 in no way,
09:22 this is not a requirement of the constitution,
09:24 nor is it a requirement of the law,
09:26 so this whole case was a joke,
09:28 it was based on dishonesty,
09:30 and in the end,
09:32 it had to be resolved.
09:34 And when the case was brought to the Supreme Court,
09:36 for bail,
09:38 at that time too,
09:40 many questions were raised,
09:42 like Mr. Salman was saying,
09:44 a respected judge said,
09:46 what has happened,
09:48 has there been a war with a country,
09:50 what has happened,
09:52 where have the relations gone bad,
09:54 but they do exist here,
09:56 whether they exist or not,
09:58 we have decided that this thing can be used in this way,
10:00 this is the case,
10:02 we know that cases are made on political grounds,
10:04 what should be done about this,
10:06 this will continue like this,
10:08 this will continue like this,
10:10 because the politicians are not learning their lesson,
10:12 the politicians in the government today,
10:14 when I was in the People's Party,
10:16 we used to get very upset,
10:18 that this is very unfair,
10:20 the government is doing this,
10:22 and today,
10:24 we are waiting for the opportunity,
10:26 that if the government is in the hands of the justice movement,
10:28 may God help them,
10:30 that their problems end,
10:32 and the series of retaliatory actions
10:34 that are going on against them,
10:36 that also ends,
10:38 but if the government is in their hands,
10:40 then they must be doing the same thing,
10:42 no one is learning,
10:44 the politicians will have to draw their own red lines,
10:46 that if we have to turn into enmity,
10:48 in opposition to each other,
10:50 then the benefit of that,
10:52 will be given to a third party,
10:54 and we will continue to play in the hands of a third party,
10:56 the politicians need to understand this,
10:58 as far as the case is concerned,
11:00 the one with the cipher,
11:02 Kashmir is a very big country,
11:04 and there is a lot of corruption,
11:06 the one with the cipher,
11:08 Kashmir, there is no doubt that the cipher story,
11:10 that the conspiracy was made in America,
11:12 was a bogus story,
11:14 it was made to get political mileage,
11:16 but the case that was made,
11:18 was also a very bogus case,
11:20 but it is not illegal,
11:22 making a story is not illegal in Pakistani politics,
11:24 if someone wants to use a certain situation,
11:26 if they use it for their political interests,
11:28 then Pakistan does the same thing,
11:30 but it is not done,
11:32 but there is more politics than honour,
11:34 I understand what you are saying,
11:36 but you cannot punish someone for 10 years,
11:38 now in this case,
11:40 this might be the first case in the history of military cases,
11:42 that when the statements of 342 were being recorded,
11:44 Imran Khan was recording his statement,
11:46 Shah Mehmood was recording in front of the judge,
11:48 Shah Mehmood was not recorded?
11:50 Imran Khan was recording,
11:52 and he might have to record it,
11:54 the statements of 342 have not been recorded yet,
11:56 and the judge is in the room,
11:58 and he is recording it,
12:00 and he is recording it,
12:02 and the judge came out of the room,
12:04 and he came and presented a pre-written judgment,
12:06 a long one,
12:08 which he wrote sitting inside,
12:10 and today in the High Court,
12:12 this was mentioned,
12:14 and you remember, a government lawyer was given to do the Jira,
12:16 and where you can decide on the cases in such a haste,
12:18 and where you can decide on the cases in such a haste,
12:20 and where there is no fair trial,
12:22 then in the future,
12:24 this will happen in the High Court,
12:26 and today the judges have given a clear judgement on this case,
12:28 that when you cannot find a definitive evidence in the case,
12:30 that when you cannot find a definitive evidence in the case,
12:32 after the statement of 342,
12:34 there is the last statement,
12:36 which is recorded by the accused,
12:38 and after that there is a definitive evidence,
12:40 and there is no definitive evidence,
12:42 and you have given a verdict without a definitive evidence,
12:44 and this was to happen in the High Court,
12:46 and the judge there,
12:48 asked the right question,
12:50 that the entire case that you are standing on,
12:52 is standing on the point that the country has suffered a great loss,
12:54 is standing on the point that the country has suffered a great loss,
12:56 tell me the loss,
12:58 and there,
13:00 in this situation,
13:02 the lawyers of the government,
13:04 the prosecutors,
13:06 understood that this is not the case,
13:08 and they asked to remand it,
13:10 and the court said that the remand will not be back,
13:12 the verdict will be given,
13:14 and the remand back means that
13:16 you have to go through that agony again,
13:18 you have to go through that pain again,
13:20 and then there is a trial again,
13:22 and in that trial,
13:24 the same things were to happen,
13:26 and the court gave the right verdict,
13:28 the prosecution was bogus,
13:30 and there was nothing in this case,
13:32 and the political statements that Imran Khan made,
13:34 were also not right,
13:36 and they should not have used it,
13:38 and in the last interview that he has published,
13:40 with Mehdi Hassan,
13:42 in that interview,
13:44 he was asked categorically,
13:46 that did the US have a hand in your government falling,
13:48 and he said no,
13:50 I have thought a lot about it,
13:52 only one man had a hand,
13:54 and categorically,
13:56 he changed his statement,
13:58 and that's it,
14:00 but the governments,
14:02 and this 1971 issue,
14:04 the video that was tweeted,
14:06 from the account,
14:08 we all condemned it,
14:10 we all condemned it,
14:12 but we condemned the context,
14:14 we did not say that we will make it a treachery,
14:16 now what is happening in it,
14:18 the FIA is giving notices,
14:20 and then you will make a case in it,
14:22 that there is no traitor in Pakistan's politics,
14:24 neither Imran Khan is a traitor,
14:26 nor Asif Zardari is a traitor,
14:28 nor Nawaz Sharif is a traitor,
14:30 nor Maulana Fazlur Rehman is a traitor,
14:32 we have our grievances,
14:34 we talk,
14:36 if you don't like something,
14:38 it doesn't mean that you make a case of treachery,
14:40 and open a new Pandora's box,
14:42 this is unfortunate,
14:44 that we see something in context,
14:46 and you say that it is wrong,
14:48 we all condemned it,
14:50 we have our grievances,
14:52 it is one side of the story,
14:54 there are many other angles of the story,
14:56 it is not just one thing,
14:58 but if you make a case of treachery,
15:00 now see,
15:02 he is a poet, poor Ahmed Farhad,
15:04 now you want to make up for his poems,
15:06 you want to make up for his poems,
15:08 what are you doing with him?
15:10 what do you want to make up for?
15:12 what do you want to make up for?
15:14 see, in Azad Kashmir,
15:16 all the protests that took place in Muzaffarabad,
15:18 he played a central role,
15:20 on social media,
15:22 there is a restriction on that,
15:24 the information was disseminated,
15:26 how?
15:28 when there is something, how is it disseminated?
15:30 everyone is using it,
15:32 I swear, I don't use it,
15:34 I don't even know how to use a fireball,
15:36 if you use it, use it,
15:38 if someone puts a poem of Habib Jalib,
15:40 or a poem of Faiz Ahmed Faiz,
15:42 they have said many such things,
15:44 so can't you say that too?
15:46 you said in a press conference that
15:48 you are going to make a case of treason
15:50 against Tariq Ibn Sahab and Imran Khan,
15:52 see, the nexus that they have drawn,
15:54 or the effort that has been made to draw it,
15:56 or the effort that has been made to
15:58 portray a picture of a common man,
16:00 should I tell this to Namaz Sheikh?
16:02 tell him,
16:04 you will be ashamed,
16:06 tell him, tell him,
16:08 he did not have a say in that context,
16:10 what if I tell him the context?
16:12 before that,
16:14 I would be ashamed,
16:16 on this matter,
16:18 there is no quorum
16:20 that the Hamudur Rehman Commission exists or not,
16:22 or what was written in its report,
16:24 or what is it, or what is not,
16:26 the real issue,
16:28 the matter has gone far beyond that,
16:30 and the matter is still...
16:32 you are taking it further,
16:34 you are taking it further,
16:36 every matter has been taken further,
16:38 no, with apologies,
16:40 the picture that was put on that video,
16:42 that is wrong,
16:44 there can be treachery on that,
16:46 that is a political,
16:48 that is a legal matter,
16:50 you can ask,
16:52 you are just cursing,
16:54 are these the black sheep who have decided today,
16:56 I wanted to ask this,
16:58 no, I think the better question would be,
17:00 that these Izzat Ma'ab Judges are the ones
17:02 against whom,
17:04 the kind of language,
17:06 their own party people,
17:08 use it in front of the media,
17:10 so they are absolutely right,
17:12 I was listening to your press conference,
17:14 I really liked your sentence,
17:16 in which you said,
17:18 that when they like it,
17:20 they praise it,
17:22 when they don't like it,
17:24 they abuse it,
17:26 the government thinks like this about itself,
17:28 so they should just do the Judge's picture,
17:30 the black sheep,
17:32 the soft-shelled,
17:34 the black sheep who are giving relief to Imran Khan,
17:36 you forget this,
17:38 you spoke about those judges,
17:40 who have already,
17:42 played a part,
17:44 and that is proven,
17:46 they left,
17:48 some resigned,
17:50 some retired,
17:52 why did they resign,
17:54 when the Supreme Judicial Council case was filed,
17:56 why did they resign,
17:58 now,
18:00 it is a matter of seeing,
18:02 who are the ones who are told,
18:04 that facilities are not available,
18:06 which are not available,
18:08 so obviously,
18:10 they are giving relief to Imran Khan,
18:12 the exact formula of Nia,
18:14 that Imran Khan should not be a black sheep,
18:16 and he cannot be,
18:18 so tell us,
18:20 how many years will they keep him in jail,
18:22 so that his heart is at peace,
18:24 how much victimization will happen,
18:26 so that he will get peace,
18:28 Mahasadji has said a very good sentence,
18:30 if you want to make the heart at peace,
18:32 then tell us,
18:34 I am not keeping him there out of shock,
18:36 it is a helplessness,
18:38 it is not a matter of helplessness,
18:40 he himself has committed all these crimes,
18:42 because of which he is behind bars,
18:44 is it a crime to get married,
18:46 no, not to get married,
18:48 the way he has done it,
18:50 I don't want to discuss,
18:52 I don't want to comment on that,
18:54 you have made decisions,
18:56 but you don't want to comment,
18:58 we don't want to comment,
19:00 but we have made all the decisions,
19:02 it has been 14 years,
19:04 it has been 10 years,
19:06 that appeal will be heard again,
19:08 it has been punished,
19:10 it has been punished,
19:12 it has been punished,
19:14 Kashif bhai,
19:16 the end of the day,
19:18 the script is the same,
19:20 only the characters change,
19:22 now the characters we play,
19:24 we have to prepare that we will stop using them,
19:26 that is why,
19:28 asking for too much,
19:30 Kashif bhai,
19:32 why will we do this,
19:34 we have a good job,
19:36 you say we will go for a job,
19:38 the difference today is,
19:40 this country is 26 crore people's country,
19:42 the governance has become very complex,
19:44 today, we have a relationship with the society,
19:46 with the barista, with the king,
19:48 we are in a very sad state,
19:50 but I am worried for my children's future,
19:52 people are leaving this country,
19:54 the hope has been lost,
19:56 if we have to put this country back on the track,
19:58 we have to reform the system,
20:00 we have to stop giving shoulders,
20:02 we can't give shoulders to anyone,
20:04 we can't do anything,
20:06 when you give shoulders, the problem gets worse,
20:08 this is absolutely right,
20:10 I totally agree with you,
20:12 whether it is Imran Khan, Tehreek-e-Insaf,
20:14 or Muslim League Noon,
20:16 or People's Party,
20:18 everyone is in a queue,
20:20 asking for a chance,
20:22 I will give you a good beating,
20:24 you just watch,
20:26 I can give you a full trail,
20:28 Noon League was saying,
20:30 this case is for 7-10 days,
20:32 they will get the verdicts soon,
20:34 what will these judges do,
20:36 who don't record the statement of Article 342,
20:38 they decide for themselves,
20:40 the lawyer of the defence,
20:42 Imran Khan's lawyer,
20:44 we will now, the government will appoint a lawyer,
20:46 they don't get the verdicts of the criminal,
20:48 which is the basis of this,
20:50 this is how it is,
20:52 Judge Bashir has given 5-6 ministers a punishment,
20:54 how do you deal with these judges?
20:56 or do you want to move ahead on this?
20:58 This is a very sad and
21:00 sad situation,
21:02 the case of Iddat,
21:04 we did a jail trial,
21:06 for 12 hours,
21:08 they kept us in jail from 9 am to 12 pm,
21:10 and in 2 days the judge had the order,
21:12 that you have to decide,
21:14 and he did,
21:16 when we took him to the appeal,
21:18 for 4 months a judge was listening to the appeal,
21:20 the lawyer on the other side,
21:22 used to delay the case,
21:24 sometimes he went out of the country,
21:26 sometimes he went to Murree,
21:28 sometimes to Nathia Gali,
21:30 but whatever it was, we kept on listening,
21:32 and finally the case was closed,
21:34 the date was fixed for the verdict,
21:36 29th May,
21:38 on 29th May a drama was done in a court,
21:40 which is now seen as pre-planned,
21:42 and that judge had filed a case that day,
21:44 to give the verdict,
21:46 the final argument had been done,
21:48 and the verdict was to be given that day,
21:50 and the court wrote that the case will be transferred,
21:52 now what was the fear,
21:54 what was the pressure,
21:56 under which a judge,
21:58 listens to a case for 4 months,
22:00 listens to the appeal,
22:02 we could see the verdict,
22:04 that where is the law,
22:06 and the last day when he had to give the verdict,
22:08 he wrote it,
22:10 that day he could not give the verdict,
22:12 his hands could not touch,
22:14 that he would sign the document,
22:16 which supports the law and the truth,
22:18 and he cancelled the case,
22:20 now this is a very historic moment,
22:22 that a judge,
22:24 if the court has to fix it,
22:26 can't find a way to do it,
22:28 according to the law,
22:30 his faith should be shaken,
22:32 and he should be sent to the court,
22:34 with a head bowed in front of fear,
22:36 that take me away from this case,
22:38 save me from this case,
22:40 so this is a very sad situation,
22:42 and then they say the courts are free,
22:44 the cases are going on,
22:46 you can fight the cases,
22:48 which is happening with our election cases,
22:50 the election commission has now got the authority,
22:52 under an ordinance,
22:54 that they have made,
22:56 that they can take away the case from a judge,
22:58 from a serving judge of the high court,
23:00 and give it to a retired judge,
23:02 who has been on a 3-4 month contract,
23:04 this is the law, this is justice,
23:06 we can see that,
23:08 the case has been filed,
23:10 and to save the case from falling,
23:12 is a headache for them,
23:14 and they are ready to do anything,
23:16 which will make them ashamed,
23:18 and the whole system will be ashamed,
23:20 Mustafa Koker is right,
23:22 we should all learn,
23:24 see, God forbid,
23:26 don't make this country a joke,
23:28 this will not make economic progress,
23:30 nor will our youth,
23:32 have any connection with this country,
23:34 we are disappointing people in this country,
23:36 we are destroying people's hopes,
23:38 and we think that the country will progress,
23:40 because from some place,
23:42 we will get $1 billion,
23:44 and we will be showered with it,
23:46 we are very disappointed,
23:48 that the country is not progressing,
23:50 but you are right,
23:52 after the break,
23:54 there is another case,
23:56 another important case,
23:58 why do you go everywhere,
24:00 you go with your form 45,
24:02 the next one has finished you,
24:04 so they took their form 45,
24:06 the story is over,
24:08 they have started a race,
24:10 they have decided on the same day,
24:12 the same type of petition,
24:14 and there is no difference of commas,
24:16 I saw it,
24:18 I thought there is a difference of commas,
24:20 they reached there,
24:22 that the case,
24:24 the tribunal is listening,
24:26 they should take it back,
24:28 they have collected both the form 45,
24:30 the problem is,
24:32 if they start collecting form 45,
24:34 in the whole country,
24:36 the incidents are the same,
24:38 when the incidents are exposed,
24:40 then all will be the same,
24:42 the real problem is this,
24:44 what effect does it have?
24:46 domino effect,
24:48 we know,
24:50 we will take a break,
24:52 but today,
24:54 three MNAs of Islamabad,
24:56 have expressed their confidence,
24:58 they said that the case is still pending,
25:00 because Mustafa Namaz Koker
25:02 took two form 45,
25:04 and they are matching it,
25:06 and the rest of the people,
25:08 are being asked to take their form 45,
25:10 and other people have also taken it,
25:12 and I think Mian Aslam has also taken it,
25:14 and the people of Tehreek-e-Labagh,
25:16 and the people of Jamaat-e-Islami,
25:18 I have heard the press conference
25:20 of the people of Tehreek-e-Labagh,
25:22 and other people,
25:24 that according to us,
25:26 the government is winning,
25:28 and the freedom of expression,
25:30 is winning,
25:32 so let's take a break,
25:34 and we will be back in a while,
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37:44 I am sorry if I don't repeat myself.
37:46 Let's take a break.