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00:00 As-salamu alaykum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:25 As you can see, the judges have written their letters and proceedings are going on.
00:32 Yesterday, we spoke about this.
00:34 It is said that a small omission has been made.
00:39 Justice Athar Minilla, in relation to human rights and the way pressure is put,
00:45 had spoken about this.
00:47 I want to collect the second part of the discussion.
00:51 She said that in 2018, the Attorney General said that what happened in 2018 will also have to be investigated.
00:57 Perhaps, her intention was to keep it up to the judges.
01:01 And that is why we did it.
01:03 A friend told me that maybe it is because of the corona.
01:05 Listen, what is the problem?
01:07 My opinion is that the allegations that were put by Chaukat Siddiqui,
01:11 should be investigated.
01:13 It should be linked to him.
01:15 That is also a matter of freedom of the court.
01:17 He also has a case.
01:19 The Supreme Court has just decided in his favor.
01:21 This letter also talks about his case.
01:23 That his right is to investigate all these allegations.
01:29 In the letter of 6 judges, the allegations of Chaukat Siddiqui are also mentioned.
01:33 But listen to what Athar Minilla said.
01:35 Let us move forward.
01:37 Let us not go into this.
01:39 Otherwise, 2018 also ought to be investigated.
01:43 And people must be held accountable.
01:46 There is impunity against this culture of deviance.
01:51 And that is what has made the constitution unworkable.
01:56 We are all on the same page on this, my lord.
01:59 Mr. Sadar, can this court justify the human rights violations taking place today?
02:05 We all know it is happening.
02:07 So let us not close our eyes.
02:09 Let us not bury our heads under the sand.
02:11 Let us face the reality.
02:13 We cannot just shut our eyes.
02:15 Let us not pretend that nothing is happening.
02:18 There is no right in this that if we want to improve our system, we should not pick and choose.
02:29 All the allegations should be investigated.
02:34 Mr. Hassan is with us.
02:36 He is the Secretary of Information at Tariq-e-Insaaf.
02:38 If there is a drama in Tariq-e-Insaaf, then it may not be wrong.
02:41 I often give an example, "When the cat is away, the mice shall play it."
02:45 It seems like a new noise is raised from Tariq-e-Insaaf every day.
02:51 Today, we know that their focal persons have changed.
02:55 A few days ago, the focal persons were announced.
02:59 But before I go to that, there is a view of Tariq-e-Insaaf on these letters.
03:04 The letters written on this book.
03:06 First of all, Mr. Shaukat Siddiqi, who was accused of the 2018 elections,
03:16 a few days before the 2018 elections,
03:19 he said that the bench is being fixed.
03:22 It was said that the case of Mian Nawaz Sharif should not be filed before the elections.
03:26 Such allegations were put.
03:28 Should this be investigated in your opinion?
03:30 What is the view of Tariq-e-Insaaf?
03:31 Thank you, Kashif.
03:32 Such a pleasure being in your program.
03:34 Dekhe, main jaati taur ki upar feel karta hu ki agar aapne mulki simrat durst karni hai,
03:41 aur uske bagayar aap chaara koi nahi hai, frankly.
03:43 Jis nahaj ki upar hum khadhe huye, uske aage sirf gairi khai hai, aur kuch nahi hai.
03:48 Usme gir gaye toh…
03:49 Hum gairi khai mein khadhe hai.
03:50 Shahid usi mein khadhe hoon. Bilkul aap sahi keh rahe hain.
03:52 Toh, phir aapko bahut kuch karna padhega.
03:55 Including the one jiska aap referring kare rahe hain.
03:58 Kyu nahi?
03:59 Agar, agar, agar, establishment ka ek role raha hua, wo kisi bhi haqoomat ke daur mein ho,
04:04 toh usko kyu nahi investigate karna?
04:06 Wo uska beneficiary chahiye Tariq-e-Insaaf?
04:07 Koi bhi ho, koi bhi ho, main kehta hu, koi bhi ho.
04:09 Across the board, basically.
04:10 Because, maqsat kya hai?
04:11 Maqsat yeh nahi hai ki humare daur ki haqoomat theek ho jaye, baakiyon ki kharab ho jaye,
04:15 baakiyon ki theek ho jaye, humare daur ki kharab ho jaye.
04:17 Ya uswaq ki establishment ka kiya dara theek hai, aur aapka galat hai.
04:20 Woh theek hai aur aapka galat hai?
04:21 Woh uswaq bhi galat hai, woh aap bhi galat hai.
04:23 Pick and choose nahi kar sakte hain aap.
04:24 Toh agar hai kuch kya karte hain.
04:25 Aap beneficiary the, waise un saare cases ke baad.
04:27 Batha nahi kamaan takka beneficiary the, kyunki maine kuch der andar rah ke bhi haqoomat ke dekha tha,
04:32 ki jo jo constraints the, jo jo pressures the, wo ek different kahani hai, kabhi aap phir baiteyenge,
04:35 toh wo baat karenge.
04:36 Lekin yeh hai ki hona chahiye, cross the board hona chahiye, I think itishaab across the board ho.
04:41 Sabse pehle toh aap Ashrafia ko under the bench laaye na ji.
04:43 Toh phir ek tweet kar de iske upar bhi.
04:45 Yeh ji, Ambara Shaila ke judges ne khat likha aur Shaukat Siddiqi saab ne jo ilzamat lagaya the,
04:49 aur uski ta'eed kiya ke inko investigate hona chahiye, Tariq Khan saab ka mokkaf hai ke inko investigate.
04:53 Main ek do aur programs mein bhi yeh kahi chhuta hu.
04:56 Main I have been very open in the State Power Department.
04:58 Ke ji nahi hone chahiye, cross the board karen, zarur karen.
05:01 Lekin, agar aap substantive issues ko uthaenge, toh phir toh ek establishment ko jo role hai,
05:07 usse aap bachi nahi sakte hai na, har daur haqoomat mein nahi bachi sakte hai aap.
05:11 Toh ek issue hai, humare paas ek issue hai.
05:14 Ab aaj ki jo haqoomat chal rahi hai, wo bhi aapke saamne hai, aapko pata kaise chal rahi hai,
05:17 we don't have to go into details, sabko pata hai.
05:20 Yeh 76 saal mein aaj, mulk jahan khada hai, usmein mera khal agar kisi aur institution ka itna role hai hi nahi hai,
05:27 balke tamam institutions ka cumulative role itna nahi hai, jitna ke ek institution ka hai.
05:31 So how can you overlocate? You can't.
05:33 Aapne, absolutely yeh dekhe hain, humein fix karke aage chalna padega, istadh aage na chal paye.
05:39 Saath member, aapne tweet kiya, ki na kaable kabool hai, unacceptable.
05:45 Full court, minus CJP. Dekhe ek toh minus CJP full court nahi hai.
05:49 CJP minus kyun? Aisa kya kiya hai CJP ne, jis Chief Justice of Pakistan ne?
05:54 Jis pe dekha aapko lagta hai, koi badi zyadti kar diya, unhone kaal ki hearing mein,
05:59 ko zyada kar diya, lekin apni clarifications de rahe the, ki kis tarah promptly judges ko bulaya gaya.
06:06 Dekhe pehle din hi judges ko bulaya gaya. Pehli baat toh yeh thi, unka view sunna,
06:11 unki grievances kya hai? Unki grievances suni, full court bulaye, usme consensus develop hua,
06:18 ki prime minister ko inquiry commission banaya. Phir full court hua, aur kya kare,
06:22 o mutt abhi le liye, what do you expect him to do?
06:24 Dekhe, letter me, aap dekhe ki implicate kaun kaun hoya hua. Letter ke contents saare,
06:28 jo in sheh judges ne likhe hain. Ji sabse pehle unhone ne kaha hai,
06:31 jo aapki intelligence agencies aur unke operatives hain, wo humare upar pressure daalte hain.
06:35 Second, usme implicate hua executive. Third hai, aapka jo unhone ne letters likhe,
06:39 Chief Justice of the Islamabad High Court ko, jiske do annexes bhi aapke saath lagaya hai unhone,
06:43 aur unke saath zaati meetings bhi ki, uske baawajood koi farak nahi hua.
06:46 And by extension, Chief Justice, uswaqat ye Chief Justice nahi the, uswaqat Bandyal sahab the,
06:51 ye Senior Puny Judge the. Toh inke saath bhi mulaqaton ka zikar hai us letter mein.
06:54 Lekin unke baas ikhtyaar koi nahi, unke kahte toh theek hai, mere paas kya ikhtyaar hai?
06:57 Dekhin wo ikhtyaar koi nahi ho, lekin koi effort jo hai, jo letters maini padhe hain,
07:01 jo maini zaati toh aur kyu logon se baate ki hai.
07:03 But it is the responsibility of the Chief Justice.
07:05 Main aap usi ko upar aa raha hoon, aapko bata raha hoon.
07:07 Why Chief Justice?
07:08 Main isliye kehate hua why Chief Justice, because I feel ki ji,
07:10 jab unhone ek implicated party se meeting ki, executive se, aur unko kaha ji,
07:16 ke aap commission banaye, aur unko kaha ji, ke aap iska head banaye,
07:20 toh main feel karta hu, ki unhone ne apni position ko compromise kar diya.
07:23 Because executive is an implicated party in this letter.
07:26 Aur isko bhi unhone explain ki apni hearing ke dauran,
07:29 ki administrative head ke taur par Adaliya ke,
07:31 Sarkar jo hai executive hai, uska administrative head, prime minister hai,
07:35 ye mulaqat hui, aur judges ka, ye likha hai, jisko contest nahi kiya kisi ne,
07:41 padh ke sunaya gaya, Ilamiya Supreme Court of Pakistan ka,
07:45 ki consensus majority ka tha, ki Wazir-e-Azam se mila jaye aur commission banaya jaye.
07:50 Dekhin, Chief Justice, aisa ke aapne pehle kahaya ki,
07:52 Chief Justice faisla karte hain, toh Chief Justice ko sochna chahiye.
07:55 He is one of, one of, he is one among sequels.
07:57 Dekhi sabse badi jo baat hai, important cheez hai ki, letter mein,
08:00 jab ke unhone ye sab kuch alzamaat lagaya hai, uske saath saath unhone ne aage jaane ka raasta bhi dikhaya hai.
08:04 Usmein sabse important cheez hai ki judicial convention kihaya jaa.
08:07 Judicial convention ke peeche ek rationale hai, wo kya hai?
08:10 Wo ye hai, ki jee sirf hum 6 judge jo hain, humi iske effectees nahi hain,
08:14 balke hume junior courts me bhi pata chala hai, ki wahan bhi pressure hai.
08:18 Toh aap pehle sab ki daastaan toh sune na, unko bulaiye,
08:21 unke experiences ka ek aap, unko baat karne diye.
08:25 Taaki aapko pata chale ki extent of ye jo ek bimari hai, ye kya hai?
08:29 Aur aur log aayenge, they will come forward aur log aayenge, wo aapka bataye.
08:32 Apni, apni jo unke jo pressures hain, wo bataye.
08:34 Uske baad, jo letter hai, that is addressed to the Supreme Judicial Council.
08:37 Now, Supreme Judicial Commission, council ke faisle ke liye,
08:40 ya uska, izdaas kaneen karne ke liye, Chief Justice ko executive se baat karne ki zurot nahi hai.
08:45 Wo apne te independent hai.
08:47 Toh humaara nazik, meri zaad ke nazik aur jo hum log hain PTI mein,
08:51 hum feel karte hain ki jab unhone executives ko consult kiya,
08:53 aur wo uswaqat hum, we feel that he compromised his position.
08:58 Maine aaj iske upar article likha tha, my weekly article,
09:00 aur wo refuse ho gaya paper, ne kaha jee ki wo nahi hai.
09:03 Main wo post karunga.
09:04 Abhi bhi aaj aapne kaah ke Imran Khan sahab ne,
09:07 aapko ye pehgaam diya hai, ke hum Adliya ke saath kade hain.
09:10 Is that true?
09:11 Dekhiye, hum Adliya ke saath kadein, is tariqah se hain,
09:15 ke humare paas options hi hain.
09:17 Humare teen forums maujood hain apni jaddu jihad ko aage badhane ke liye,
09:22 as a political party.
09:23 Ek forum hain, humaara parliament mein, hum maujood hain,
09:25 humne kaha hai ki hum parliament mein rehenge.
09:27 Doosa humare paas legal options hain,
09:29 jisme election commission hain, unke aage jo tribunals hain,
09:32 aur courts hain, wo hum keh rahe hain ki, ji hum keh rahe hain ki teesa.
09:35 Jo ab main feel karte hain, this is important,
09:37 ki teesa humare paas option hain, peaceful protest ka.
09:39 Ab joon jo humein yeh yaqeen hota jaa raha hai,
09:42 ki humein legal forums ke upar insaaf nahi milega,
09:45 ussi tara se zyada prospect hota jaa raha hai, peaceful protest ka.
09:50 Aur kal...
09:51 Grand Alliance pe kaun kaun?
09:53 Wo ek ho gaye hai, main maujood tha wahaan.
09:56 12 tarikh ko Pesheen mein humein invite kiya gaye hai,
09:59 tamaam political parties wahan jaayenge,
10:01 ishtar se formalise kiya jaayenge, kuch faisle.
10:03 13 ko pehla protest jalsa Pesheen mein hain humaara.
10:06 Wahaan se yeh, jo movement hain humari,
10:08 for restoration of democracy, constitution and rule of law.
10:11 Yeh shuru ho jaayegi.
10:12 Yeh bataayen ki...
10:13 Aur usmein sabse important cheez jo hai un 13 naqaat mein se,
10:15 civilian supremacy.
10:17 Aye, ho...
10:18 Civilian...
10:19 Allah kare, Allah kare, aap yeh seekhe hain,
10:21 aur jo 2018 mein hua, wo repeat na kare.
10:23 Haan, 2018 mein hua, 2013 mein hua,
10:26 2024 mein hua,
10:27 2000...
10:28 Dekhe main, aap to apne...
10:29 To ek consistent future.
10:30 Aap to apne seekhne ka aamal jaaree rakhe na,
10:31 agreed.
10:32 Doosron ko doosre ki tarah rahein de,
10:33 unhone to nahi seekha.
10:34 Agreed.
10:35 Vote ko izzat do kahe ke,
10:36 unhone wohi kaam kar diya.
10:43 No.
10:44 Kisi tarah aakumat mein aaja hai.
10:45 No.
10:46 Genuine vote ke zariah yeh aana chahiye aakumat ko.
10:47 Yeh meri ek conviction hai ki...
10:48 Aur Khan sahab,
10:49 kehne bhai jab baithe hote hain,
10:50 to wo kahte hain ke,
10:51 mujhse ek political galti hui thi,
10:52 ke mujhe ek weak government ko head nahi karna chahiye tha,
10:54 us waqat bhi.
10:55 Wo kahte hain,
10:56 aaj kahte hain.
10:57 Wo kahte hain.
10:58 Che.
10:59 Alliance banane ja rahe hain?
11:00 Maulana sahab ko trust karte hain?
11:01 Maulana sahab to off on hai,
11:02 abhi toh hai nahi hai wo.
11:03 Aur logon ke raapte hai unke saath,
11:10 lekin wo na haan hai,
11:12 na na hain.
11:13 To baaki chhe parties to...
11:14 Aapne unko daavat diye?
11:15 Aapne iss ejaas ke liye,
11:16 unko daavat nahi diye thi.
11:17 Kyunki ab maine yeh suna hai,
11:18 ke first phase mein,
11:19 kyunki trust deficit hai,
11:20 yeh kaah jaa raha hai,
11:21 ke Maulana sahab filal,
11:22 apna kaam karein,
11:23 hum apna karte hain,
11:24 second phase mein,
11:25 saab ekatte ho jayenge.
11:26 Yeh hai strategy aapki.
11:27 Nahi, yeh thinking nahi hai.
11:28 Nahi, I must say that.
11:29 To Maulana sahab se jo baat uthi,
11:30 wo aapko haath nahi pakdata,
11:33 ya aap unka haath pakadna nahi chahna?
11:36 Mera khayal mutual mistrust hai,
11:38 main frankly feel.
11:39 Dono taraf ka jo hai,
11:40 humare ko talukaat itne ache rehi nahi hue.
11:42 Misali to nahi the rahe hue.
11:44 Misali nahi the rahe hue.
11:45 To matlab yeh ke usko kuch waqat lagega.
11:47 Magar wo hai ke Maulana sahab,
11:48 yeh bhi clear nahi ho raha hai,
11:49 unki position jo hai,
11:50 kyunki unhone apna by-court to khatam karte hai na,
11:52 wapas chale gaya,
11:53 unhone na voting karte hai,
11:54 senate ke elections ke liye.
11:55 To wo bhi ek...
11:56 To wo bhi ek...
11:58 Unko to arrangement ke taht kiya na,
11:59 udhar vote liye, udhar diye,
12:00 unko to...
12:01 Ab yeh jo platform hai,
12:02 humara yeh arrangement karte hai platform.
12:04 Yeh platform jo aise asool ka platform hai.
12:06 Yeh ek haqeeq ki ladai hoegi,
12:07 jamuhriyat ki ikdaar ki...
12:09 So yeh asool ka platform hai?
12:10 Bilkul.
12:11 Yeh wohi asool hai,
12:12 ka form 45 ke prime minister se nahi milunga,
12:14 phir aapke chief minister aake mulakatan bhi karte hain,
12:16 wo interior minister se...
12:18 Form 47 ke...
12:19 Maqbool sahab.
12:20 Form 47 ke...
12:21 Form 47 ke aqoomat hai,
12:22 nahi milunga,
12:23 iske nahi jaunga,
12:24 wo taking mein phir mulakatan bhi karte hain.
12:26 Nahi.
12:27 Dekhe Kashif,
12:28 ek federation hai hum,
12:29 aur uske chaar units hai.
12:30 KP is just one unit.
12:31 Aapne federation ko to chalaana hai na,
12:33 yeh ek as a political party,
12:34 aapki responsibility.
12:35 Aap usse to us responsibility ko uphogani kar sakte hain.
12:38 To uske liye jo working relationship ke liye karna padega,
12:41 wo to hum,
12:42 wo definitely wo karenge.
12:44 Mohsin Naqvi sahab se mulakat ki,
12:47 footage aayi,
12:48 Sona Khan sahab zyada khush nahi the,
12:50 bohot si cheezon par,
12:51 khasusan Wazir Azam se mulakat par.
12:53 Lekin jab aap asool ki baat karte hain,
12:55 asool yeh hai,
12:56 aapka asool to yeh hai,
12:57 ke 47 ki government hai,
12:58 inke paas se seate nahi thi,
12:59 inko to zabar si aqoomat bana ke Wazir Azam,
13:01 aur aap phir aap ground reality ki baat karte hain.
13:03 Wahab bhi aap karte hain,
13:04 ground reality ki nahi,
13:05 sirf asool ki baat karte hain,
13:06 usse doosre sirf asool par chalein,
13:07 aap ground reality ke saath bhi chalein.
13:09 Dekhe as a political party,
13:10 we have to subscribe to the constitution of this country.
13:12 Theek hai ji usko nahi,
13:13 yaar to phir aap chhod de na,
13:14 humare paas option kya hai,
13:15 ki hum chhod de ji,
13:16 ki hum jab tak...
13:17 Kya mulakate hain,
13:18 aage hongi chalein yeh batayein,
13:19 your chief minister is free,
13:20 ke wo aage mulakate hain,
13:21 zarurat padne to karein?
13:22 Dekhe,
13:23 agar wo functional relations rakhne ke liye mulakate hain,
13:29 like NFC ka agar koi kal meeting ho jati hai,
13:32 to usko laajmi baat hai,
13:33 chief minister KFE jo wo attend karega.
13:35 Aur yeh aur baat hai,
13:36 ke is waqat jo hai,
13:37 maamla ball jo hai,
13:38 wo federal government ki court mein hai,
13:40 humare baot saare demands hain,
13:41 jo ke poora nahi ho raha hai,
13:42 humare chief secretary nahi lagaya jaara,
13:43 humare IG nahi lagaya jaara,
13:44 humare paise hain,
13:45 bifaag ke paas paise,
13:46 wo nahi de rahe hain,
13:47 to humne demand kya hua,
13:48 laajmi baat hai,
13:49 ke agar nahi karega,
13:50 na tumhe tali do haath se to bachti hai,
13:51 ek haath se to nahi bachti hai.
13:52 Asad Qaiser sahab ne yeh kaha,
13:53 main chhata hu aap sune kahein,
13:54 aap in se ittifaq karte hain,
13:55 unhone ne kaha,
13:56 ki aap mulakate nahi honi chahiyein,
13:57 kya kaha dasur?
13:58 Main Lahmir sahab se bhi request karunga,
14:22 ki aap nahi bhi request karunga,
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