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"Ab Tashadud Sehne ki Himat Nahi, Jail tou Maine 7 Months Kati Hai..." Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
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- Ijaz-ul-Haq PMLZ
"Ab Tashadud Sehne ki Himat Nahi, Jail tou Maine 7 Months Kati Hai..." Fawad Chaudhry's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:15Today, in the jail, the GHQ attack case, its formal trial started, the witnesses were presented,
00:22the witnesses of all the police, ASI constables, they were presented, some evidence, i.e.
00:28helmet, petrol bomb, sticks, flags, PTI caps, etc. Let's see how far this trial will reach,
00:35what will happen in these trials, Imran Khan Sahib was also present in this trial today,
00:40and Fawad Chaudhary Sahib is also present with us, you were also present, we would also like to know
00:44if you have given any advice to Imran Khan Sahib, but first of all, tell us one thing, Fawad Sahib,
00:48that you fly, I have heard that you fly very well.
00:52It is true that today in Pakistan, people have understood that they all fly.
00:59And its background is that you were also in Pindi, in GHQ, you were also present in Lahore, in Jinnah,
01:05in Multan, in Faisalabad. How do you do all this?
01:09I also want to understand, I want to ask the people who made this that how did you make this,
01:13tell us also how is this possible?
01:16No, they made it right, I am sure you are not telling us that how do you do all this?
01:20You are not the only one, I have heard that in your party, there are a lot of people like this.
01:25There are people like this in 5-6 places.
01:27They have put all the leadership of PTI in this, who has no head or legs.
01:33The problem is, you basically come in all the programs and say, this happened, that happened,
01:40and the total evidence is that three policemen secretly participated in Imran Khan's meeting in Zaman Park,
01:48they changed their appearance and they heard that Imran Khan had said that this has to be done.
01:53This is the total case that took place on 9th May.
01:57When they came inside, you didn't even know?
02:00They were invisible, they were wearing Umrooyar's Zambil.
02:04No, Chadar.
02:05No, Chadar.
02:06They were wearing Umrooyar's Chadar.
02:07They were wearing Umrooyar's Chadar, they came and sat in that triangle room,
02:11and you have been to that triangle room many times, you know that it is so big that
02:15one person is sitting here and the other one is not visible.
02:18So the policemen also came and sat there.
02:20They were not visible.
02:21Imran Khan said that you people have to do this, that everyone has to go and set fire,
02:25they have to bomb, they all heard it.
02:28They came back on 7th, and they did not mention this to anyone.
02:33They were sitting at home.
02:35And when all this happened, after 4 months and 17 days, they thought that we are there.
02:42Zameer can wake up at any time.
02:44No, it was not Zameer, it was his job.
02:46These are the constables of the special branch of the police, who did all this,
02:52and they went.
02:53This is the evidence.
02:54Now you see, this is such an interesting case.
02:57I have also heard that petrol bombs were found while entering the GHQ.
03:02Petrol bombs were found while entering, it is their mercy.
03:06Otherwise, they would have said a rocket, but they did not say that.
03:09But the biggest problem is that, as you know,
03:14when they changed the Chief Justice of Lahore High Court,
03:18and the changes they made later,
03:20now the judges in the Anti-Terrorism Court,
03:25they all follow WhatsApp.
03:28Unfortunately, the evidence there,
03:31no law is being followed there,
03:35no procedure is being followed,
03:37nor is there any basis for trial.
03:39You understand, the small things are being tried on a daily basis.
03:43And neither is anyone's application being decided.
03:47You go to the High Court.
03:48I have filed a petition in the High Court.
03:51I filed a petition.
03:53I said, you have filed 42 cases of one incident,
03:57and there is a plethora of judgments,
04:00that there can be only one FI on one incident.
04:02The High Court did not hear my case.
04:04And after that, I have filed a case in the Supreme Court.
04:07It has been two weeks.
04:08In the Supreme Court, the Chief Justice and the Judge
04:11are busy fixing the parking.
04:13It is not that easy.
04:14You are a king.
04:15You are holding elections from the IPP.
04:17It would have been beneficial.
04:18That's right.
04:19I am saying the same thing.
04:20I said the same thing to Mr. Khan.
04:21That a person comes up to me every day and says,
04:23there is a problem.
04:24We are also suffering from 48 cases.
04:26We are also on the ECL.
04:28And we are also on our party.
04:31If I had left the party, I would have been the minister.
04:33It was the issue of the party.
04:34You did not leave the party and join another party.
04:36It is your mistake.
04:37I did not leave the party.
04:38The situations in the party at that time,
04:41only those people who ran out,
04:43and they are saying that we are very brave.
04:47See, we are not militants.
04:50We are militants.
04:51There are only two ways for us.
04:52Pick up a gun and climb the mountains.
04:54We cannot climb.
04:55But a lot of people are still in jail.
04:57There are five people in jail.
04:58Rashid Rashid has come.
04:59There are five people.
05:00Chima, Omar Chima has come.
05:01Yes, those people are there.
05:02I saw them today.
05:03There are many more.
05:04Ijaz Chaudhary is there.
05:06Ijaz Chaudhary is there.
05:07Yasmeen Rashid is there.
05:08Shah is there.
05:09There are five or six people.
05:10They have shown extraordinary courage.
05:13You do not have the courage.
05:15You do not have the courage to face terrorism.
05:17I have not spent seven months in jail.
05:19No, you have spent five months.
05:21But Ali, I mean,
05:22in all this,
05:23that you were in five places,
05:25you can fly,
05:26you are a cheat,
05:27you can be energized and move forward.
05:29You can't take away,
05:30you can't take away,
05:31that people from PTI went there,
05:33to these places.
05:35Ali, I mean,
05:36you even admitted it yesterday,
05:37with Mr. Badami.
05:38The thing is,
05:39when the crowd is formed,
05:41these people must have gone.
05:42They must have definitely gone.
05:43And all these footages,
05:44You have videos,
05:45you know about this.
05:46There are videos,
05:47there are footages,
05:48how they went,
05:49what happened.
05:50They must have gone,
05:51the people who have gone.
05:52But from any party,
05:53there has never been any instruction,
05:54there has never been anything like this.
05:55We are just like that.
05:56But no one has any objection to this,
05:59that if someone has entered a place,
06:01someone has done something wrong,
06:03set fire,
06:04broke the gate,
06:05broke the statues,
06:06they should be punished.
06:07Punishments should be given,
06:09they should be proportionate.
06:10The problem is,
06:11it is not that if a person
06:13has put a slogan outside,
06:14then he should be punished for 10 years.
06:16Now, for example,
06:17the attacks that took place in Washington,
06:19how many maximum punishments
06:20were given to the people?
06:2118 months.
06:22Now, in the UK,
06:23we say every day that
06:2424 hours were spent in trials,
06:26what punishments were given to the people?
06:288-8 months,
06:2912-12 months,
06:3014-14 months.
06:31You have to see their proportionate too.
06:33Out of proportion,
06:34the way people have been targeted,
06:36the people who have come in the trials,
06:38or the rest who will come,
06:40their stories have not yet come in front of people.
06:42They will come later,
06:43the atrocities that have been done to them.
06:45But some people have come out.
06:47Some people have come out.
06:48I was surprised to see there,
06:50still,
06:51being PTI,
06:52and doing propaganda,
06:53it is very surprising for me.
06:54I thought they might be scared,
06:57that they have been punished,
06:58they have come out.
06:59Anyway,
07:00tell me,
07:01have you met Imran Khan?
07:02I have met him a lot.
07:03What is he doing?
07:06What is happening?
07:07Tell me,
07:08there will be a protest on 8th February,
07:11but is there a plan?
07:13Or,
07:14Muzakirat is the only plan
07:15that you have seen
07:16in today's discussion?
07:17Look,
07:18the first thing is that
07:19the government is making the plan.
07:21Yes, the opposition will also plan.
07:23You have changed the status.
07:24They have done it.
07:25I can tell you,
07:26I can tell you all,
07:27that you have to change.
07:29Why not?
07:30I agree with you.
07:31I told Mr. Khan today,
07:32I said,
07:33sir,
07:34the thing is that
07:35the elections have been lost.
07:36The foreign policy,
07:37look,
07:38it has been almost two years
07:39for Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,
07:4016 months and a year,
07:41in fact,
07:42it has been 24 months.
07:43Not a single president
07:44or prime minister
07:45of a democratic country
07:46has even called you.
07:47Not even a member
07:48of a European Union.
07:49They had just made Belarus.
07:50Yes,
07:51absolutely.
07:52You are right.
07:53Democracy,
07:54a democratic country
07:55like Belarus,
07:56no one has asked him
07:57except for him.
07:58The problem is that
07:59at the moment,
08:00Pakistan is completely
08:01alienated.
08:02After that,
08:03look,
08:04the economy,
08:05the governance…
08:06But you have just
08:07held a conference.
08:08A lot of high-level people
08:09came to that conference.
08:10The SCO that we had held
08:11in Pakistan.
08:12The SCO that we had
08:13held in Pakistan.
08:14The SCO that we had
08:15held,
08:16but that was already
08:17decided.
08:18But,
08:19you tell me,
08:20which democratic leader
08:21called Shahbaz Sharif?
08:22One,
08:23tell me.
08:24Apart from this,
08:25I will tell you.
08:26Three times,
08:27Shahbaz Sharif
08:28didn't have this problem.
08:29He didn't have any issue
08:30with the protocol
08:31and his reputation.
08:32He,
08:33you see,
08:34the Prime Minister
08:35of the UK,
08:36not once,
08:37not twice,
08:38but three times
08:39he made different tweets
08:40to congratulate him.
08:41He didn't even
08:42respond again.
08:43He congratulated him
08:44on winning the election,
08:45but he didn't call.
08:46And with Trump,
08:47what is happening
08:48at the moment,
08:49I don't know.
08:50But,
08:52the problem
08:53is that
08:54Pakistan seriously
08:55needs
08:56a kind of
08:57temperature
08:58down.
08:59I have a
09:00little
09:01disagreement
09:02with you.
09:03Let me show
09:04your tweet.
09:05You said,
09:06I told
09:07Mr. Khan
09:08that this
09:09government
09:10is only
09:11standing
09:12on the
09:13fight
09:14between
09:15the army
09:16and the
09:17Taliban.
09:18The election
09:19was lost,
09:20but
09:21the
09:22Taliban
09:23is standing
09:24on the
09:25fight
09:26between
09:27the army
09:28and the
09:29Taliban.
09:30The
09:31Taliban
09:32is standing
09:33on the
09:34fight
09:35between
09:36the army
09:37and the
09:38Taliban.
09:39The
09:40Taliban
09:41is standing
09:42on the
09:43fight
09:44between
09:45the army
09:46and the
09:47Taliban.
09:48The
09:49Taliban
09:50is standing
09:51on the
09:52fight
09:53between
09:54the army
09:55and the
09:56Taliban.
09:57The
09:58Taliban
09:59is standing
10:00on the
10:01fight
10:02between
10:03the army
10:04and the
10:05Taliban.
10:06The
10:07Taliban
10:08is standing
10:09on the
10:10fight
10:11between
10:12the army
10:13and the
10:14Taliban.
10:15The
10:16Taliban
10:17is standing
10:18on the
10:19fight
10:20between
10:21the army
10:22and the
10:23Taliban.
10:24The
10:25Taliban
10:26is standing
10:27on the
10:28fight
10:29between
10:30the army
10:31and the
10:32Taliban.
10:33The
10:34Taliban
10:35is standing
10:36on the
10:37fight
10:38between
10:39the army
10:40and the
10:41Taliban.
10:42The
10:43Taliban
10:44is standing
10:45on the
10:46fight
10:47between
10:48the
10:49army
10:50and the
10:51Taliban.
10:52The
10:53Taliban
10:54is standing
10:55on the
10:56fight
10:57between
10:58the army
10:59and the
11:00Taliban.
11:01The
11:02Taliban
11:03is standing
11:04on the
11:05fight
11:06between
11:07the army
11:08and the
11:09Taliban.
11:10The
11:11Taliban
11:12is standing
11:13on the
11:14fight
11:15between
11:16the
11:17army
11:18and
11:19the
11:20Taliban.
11:21The
11:22Taliban
11:23is standing
11:24on the
11:25fight
11:26between
11:27the
11:28army
11:29and the
11:30Taliban.
11:31The
11:32Taliban
11:33is standing
11:34on the
11:35fight
11:36between
11:37the
11:38army
11:39and the
11:40Taliban.
11:41The
11:42Taliban
11:43is standing
11:44on the
11:45fight
11:46between
11:47the
11:48army
11:49and the
11:50Taliban.
11:51The
11:52Taliban
11:53is standing
11:54on the
11:55fight
11:56between
11:57the
11:58army
11:59and the
12:00Taliban.
12:01The
12:02Taliban
12:03is standing
12:04on the
12:05fight
12:06between
12:07the
12:08army
12:09and the
12:10Taliban.
12:11The
12:12Taliban
12:13is standing
12:14on the
12:15fight
12:16between
12:17the
12:18army
12:19and the
12:20Taliban.
12:21The
12:22Taliban
12:23is standing
12:24on the
12:25fight
12:26between
12:27the
12:28army
12:29and the
12:30Taliban.
12:31The
12:32Taliban
12:33is standing
12:34on the
12:35fight
12:36between
12:37the
12:38army
12:39and the
12:40Taliban.
12:41The
12:42Taliban
12:43is
12:44standing
12:45on the
12:46fight
12:47between
12:48the
12:49army
12:50and the
12:51Taliban.
12:52The
12:53Taliban
12:54is standing
12:55on the
12:56fight
12:57between
12:58the
12:59army
13:00and the
13:01Taliban.
13:02The
13:03Taliban
13:04is standing
13:05on the
13:06fight
13:07between
13:08the
13:09army
13:10and the
13:11Taliban.
13:12The
13:13Taliban
13:14is standing
13:15on the
13:16fight
13:17between
13:18the
13:19army
13:20and the
13:21Taliban.
13:22The
13:23Taliban
13:24is standing
13:25on the
13:26fight
13:27between
13:28the
13:29army
13:30and the
13:31Taliban.
13:32The
13:33Taliban
13:34is standing
13:35on the
13:36fight
13:37between
13:38the
13:39army
13:40and the
13:41Taliban.
13:42The
13:43Taliban
13:44is standing
13:45on the
13:46fight
13:47between
13:48the
13:49army
13:50and the
13:51Taliban.
13:52The
13:53Taliban
13:54is standing
13:55on the
13:56fight
13:57between
13:58the
13:59army
14:00and the
14:01Taliban.
14:02The
14:03Taliban
14:04is standing
14:05on the
14:06fight
14:07between
14:08the
14:09army
14:40and
14:41the
14:42Taliban.
14:43The
14:44Taliban
14:45is standing
14:46on the
14:47fight
14:48between
14:49the
14:50army
14:51and the
14:52Taliban.
14:53The
14:54Taliban
14:55is standing
14:56on the
14:57fight
14:58between
14:59the
15:00army
15:01and the
15:02Taliban.
15:03The
15:04Taliban
15:05is standing
15:06on the
15:07fight
15:08between
15:09the
15:12army
15:13and
15:14the
15:15Taliban.
15:16The
15:17Taliban
15:18is standing
15:19on the
15:20fight
15:21between
15:22the
15:23Taliban
15:24and
15:25the
15:26Taliban.
15:27Taliban
15:28is standing
15:29on the
15:30fight
15:31between
15:32the
15:33Taliban
15:34and
15:35the
15:36taliban.
15:37Taliban
15:38The negotiations are going on here and there, so the establishment and the government are working together.
15:43They are on board.
15:44So if you are asking if all the systems are included in the negotiations, then I will say that they are.
15:51He is saying that if the whole system is the government, then the establishment is also included.
15:54That's what he is saying.
15:56If you look at it in a simple way, what were all the statements of Noon League after 1926?
16:05They say that it is a sedition party.
16:06Maryam Taubi has also said that it is a sedition party.
16:08Why should we sit with them? What should we do?
16:10We are sitting with them.
16:11So this means that the policy has changed.
16:14I am also in favour of this.
16:16If Mr. Khan says that the Benigala should be shifted, then it should be done immediately.
16:20And this should be taken.
16:23But this won't be a deal.
16:24No, it won't be a deal. What is the reason for that?
16:26What else is a deal?
16:27No, I want to tell you the reason.
16:29At the moment, as I am saying, who is benefiting from the confrontation?
16:35Only two people are benefiting from the confrontation.
16:36According to your government?
16:37No, only two people are benefiting from the confrontation.
16:39Shahbaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz.
16:41What other parties are there?
16:43Noon League is also free.
16:44If you normalize, then the biggest benefit is for Pakistan.
16:51Then for the army and PTI.
16:54Because your issue is…
16:57The biggest benefit is for PTI.
16:58The biggest benefit is for Pakistan.
17:00Because Pakistan is normalized.
17:02But sir, all your issues get solved.
17:05Yes, the issues of the army also get solved.
17:08The issues of the establishment also get solved.
17:11One issue will be solved and another issue will be solved.
17:13If you are happy, then someone else will be angry.
17:17It's a simple thing.
17:18Sir, what if Mr. Mian takes a vote and leaves again?
17:21That he has cheated again.
17:23No, I am saying that you should include him.
17:26What is the point of negotiations?
17:28Negotiations are the same.
17:29Kashif, the rest is a story.
17:31Negotiations are about the election.
17:33The rest is about Banikala leaving or not leaving.
17:38What is the problem with Imran Khan's release?
17:41There is only one problem with Imran Khan's release.
17:43That Imran Khan's release means a new election.
17:45And a new election means a new Prime Minister.
17:47Now the government wants to get time from Imran Khan to hold an election.
17:52And I think Imran Khan also needs some time.
17:57Because right now the party is in a mess.
18:00Sir, you are saying that the deal is that Imran Khan needs time.
18:03He doesn't need time.
18:04No, he doesn't need time.
18:05The government needs time.
18:06But give the government time to rule for another two to two and a half years.
18:10Look, a year has passed.
18:11What difference does it make to take 10, 12, 14 more months?
18:14They will say that you did as much as you did.
18:16So they will say, give two more years.
18:19Look, it's been a year.
18:20They did it 16 months ago.
18:22So it's already been 24 months.
18:24What else is the government doing?
18:26What else is Shabaz Shadeef Sahib doing?
18:28What other stars are left from the sky that need to be broken?
18:30Look, what is the issue right now?
18:32The government is now waiting for us all to say, look, let Trump take a vote.
18:37And then let's see who the ambassador appoints.
18:39And if the ambassador is appointed, then we will know a lot from him.
18:43What is his thinking?
18:45What is his thinking, what we have to do.
18:46I am surprised that we are so naive.
18:50Instead of doing something with each other and not sitting on them.
18:56Look, if we have to sit on them, then we are squeezing our sovereignty.
19:02And we are sitting on it.
19:04So let's sit on it and talk about how to move forward.
19:07Okay, I'll take a break.
19:09After the break, I'll come back to it again.
19:11Because I think the discussion is dead end.
19:13I don't think anything will come out of the discussion.
19:14Okay, I would like to know why you are so optimistic.
19:20Let's take a break and come back.
19:22Welcome back, viewers.
19:24So, Mr. Fawad, you are saying that there is hope in this discussion.
19:30I think that when the government gets the signal that the US is not going to do anything.
19:36That's why this is a discussion.
19:38It is possible that tomorrow when you say that the Judicial Commission has been formed, they will not form it.
19:41I am not very keen on the Judicial Commission.
19:44I just want to talk to Mr. Khan about why we are not keen on the Judicial Commission.
19:49Because all the cases are made on both of them.
19:52No, so what will happen?
19:54What will the judges do?
19:56They will give a verdict on the truth.
19:58Obviously, just like all the other rights are on the truth.
20:01Look, we should stay on one thing.
20:04And that is the release of political prisoners.
20:06And that means the release of Imran Khan.
20:08This is the only solid thing.
20:11Yes, but how will they agree?
20:12Look, we can't talk about this further.
20:15Even today, when you said to Mr. Khan that we are standing on a fight.
20:18What fight? Let's end this fight.
20:20What did Mr. Khan say?
20:22Mr. Khan said, when am I fighting?
20:24He said, I am not fighting.
20:26I am trying to end this fight.
20:28You don't want to end it next time.
20:30No, but I…
20:32You will force it.
20:34No, not force.
20:36We can do it temporarily.
20:38Look, either in two years or in three years, you would have made Imran Khan's popular politics coordinator.
20:40That didn't happen.
20:42Now, everyone is standing with Imran Khan.
20:44You are saying that we have to run the country without him.
20:46Look, if we were in Stalin's era, then we would have made him popular.
20:53Now, look, it's been two or three years.
20:56How long have you been holding?
20:58We are not in Stalin's era.
21:00I am asking, in whose era are we?
21:02I am just telling you.
21:04Your basic problem for the last three years is that the current setup in Pakistan is based only on coercion.
21:12There is no legitimacy, no vote, no popularity, nothing is available.
21:19So, how would you, how can you sustain a setup which is based only on coercion?
21:25And secondly, all your dependence is that when the next American president comes,
21:32what will be the American policy towards Pakistan?
21:35You are standing on two issues.
21:37And you are not that much, then you can become a macho.
21:40Remember that there is a war going on in Afghanistan or Vietnam.
21:44So, it is very important to keep Ayub Khan with you.
21:47Sir, but tell me, what you are saying,
21:50do you think that the Army Chief who went to Peshawar yesterday,
21:54met the political leadership there.
21:57There was also news that he met Bais Tagore.
22:01Do you have any news about this?
22:03No, I don't know.
22:05I have seen it on social media.
22:07It is a very good thing.
22:09I think this is something really…
22:11But do you think it's a… would you see it as any other…
22:13Because he is a very calm person, he speaks well.
22:16Would you consider it as a rumor or an aberration and leave it or consider it serious and…
22:24Any meeting with the Army Chief is serious.
22:27So, it's serious?
22:29Any meeting with the Army Chief will be serious.
22:32Whatever it is, especially in the current environment, it will be serious.
22:34Yes, let me know in the end.
22:36It's okay if it's very serious.
22:38If something happens, let's see where it goes.
22:40But this…
22:42Mr. Ijaz Chaudhary's protection order has not come yet.
22:44What do you think?
22:46I think it will be implemented.
22:49I think it will be implemented.
22:51Who stopped it?
22:53My information on this is that
22:56Mrs. Maryam personally…
22:58The politician?
23:00He is doing what you did at that time.
23:01I don't know much about A.C.
23:03He has played the role of a spoiler.
23:06But I hope these people will make him understand.
23:09But I thought they must have learnt their lesson
23:11that I will remove the A.C.
23:13that we went to jail and were in a death cell.
23:15Don't you think they have learnt their lesson?
23:17The thing is that they say that I can forgive but I will not forget.
23:22So, basically…
23:24She hasn't forgiven then, right?
23:26And neither has she forgotten.
23:28No, she has done neither.
23:29So, basically, we need to move forward.
23:31But let's see.
23:33So, in the end,
23:35you are hopeful about the negotiations?
23:39I am hopeful.
23:41The reason is that if this meeting is held…
23:43Do you want to make a bet?
23:45No, I don't want to make a bet.
23:47But I think if this meeting is held
23:49and things can get better, then they will get better.
23:51I think that tomorrow when we go and say
23:53Judicial Commission…
23:55And it may happen that something else…
23:57It will end tomorrow.
23:59But the government will ask for such leadership.
24:01No, the government…
24:03And that's because they are waiting for 20th.
24:05And I have information that
24:07the government has more objections on TORs than the Judicial Commission.
24:11The government wants to see
24:13what the TORs of the Judicial Commission will be.
24:16And there will be a debate.
24:18Now, if they settle the Judicial Commission
24:22or whatever it is,
24:24I think if the government is smart,
24:26then it will do…
24:27We are accepting the Judicial Commission.
24:29We will sit on the TORs and talk.
24:31And then it will move forward.
24:33And if the PTI is smart,
24:35then they should also agree to this.
24:37And say that it is absolutely fine.
24:39You have agreed to the Judicial Commission and TORs.
24:41In the meantime,
24:43they should do something for the relief of our political prisoners.
24:45Is the matter clear?
24:47And that Imran Khan should leave with a fanfare.
24:50Thank you very much, Mr. Fawad Chaudhary, for being with us.
24:52Now, let's talk to Mr. Ijaz-ul-Haq.
24:54He is a part of the Government Intervention Team.
24:57Mr. Ijaz-ul-Haq,
24:59I don't see much hope in these negotiations.
25:02I don't think any party is ready
25:04to give any space to each other.
25:07What do you think,
25:09will anything come out of this?
25:14Look, I think,
25:16from where I started,
25:18it was very important
25:20to reach here.
25:22And a lot of…
25:24I mean,
25:25we had to go under bridges
25:27to reach here.
25:29So, I am optimistic, basically.
25:31I think that
25:33it is good for Pakistan.
25:35And on both sides,
25:37I think there is a lot of realisation,
25:39in spite of the fact that
25:41there is a bombardment from both sides.
25:43I mean, there are some people
25:45who are not happy
25:47that why are these negotiations taking place
25:49and they shouldn't be.
25:51But breaking the deadlock
25:53is in everyone's interest.
25:55This is one wish.
25:57Your wish is that
25:59the situation improves,
26:01the deadlock is broken,
26:03and the issues are resolved.
26:05There is a big difference
26:07in how that wish will be fulfilled.
26:09What is the give or take in that?
26:11I think that
26:13apart from the fact that
26:15Imran Khan has given this government time
26:17and there can be no starting point
26:19in these negotiations.
26:21This has to be the starting point.
26:23And Imran Khan will not give that.
26:25I think that
26:27there is some resistance,
26:29but there is a way out of it.
26:31And we have seen in the past
26:33that this has happened.
26:35If there was no negotiation,
26:37then I don't think
26:39the negotiations would have progressed.
26:41When we have reached here
26:43and I have seen that
26:45there is some positive attitude,
26:47particularly members of the committee
26:49are very positive, basically,
26:51from the PTI.
26:53And from the government,
26:55even if there is a lot of reluctance,
26:57but the members of the committee
26:59are serious about it,
27:01the speaker is serious about it.
27:03So, I think that the negotiations
27:05will progress,
27:07but it will take some time.
27:09But you have seen today
27:11that Imran Khan will move forward
27:13without any deadline.
27:15I was just about to say this.
27:17First, the deadline for January 31
27:19has been given.
27:21Secondly, there are messages
27:23from Imran Khan
27:25that they do not agree to this.
27:27Then the negotiations are over.
27:29Can this judicial commission be formed
27:31on May 9 and November 26?
27:33We will see tomorrow
27:35what the written demands are.
27:37These are the two demands
27:39and they must have said
27:41something else as well.
27:43But I think
27:45there should be some
27:47space for a ceasefire.
27:49The production orders
27:51should be implemented
27:53so that a good environment
27:55for negotiations
27:57and negotiations
27:59between the Governor
28:01and the Chief Minister
28:03can take place.
28:05I think that
28:07the negotiations
28:09will progress
28:11in a good environment.
28:13But if the commission
28:15is not formed,
28:17the government will not
28:19be able to decide
28:21whether or not
28:23to form a commission.
28:25If we talk
28:27outside the deadlines,
28:29then the negotiations
28:31will not be possible.
28:33Sir, does the government
28:35have the option
28:37to leave Imran Khan?
28:39Let me put this
28:41aside, Mr. Ijaz.
28:43The problem is that
28:45when you say that
28:47the deadlocks break
28:49or there were negotiations
28:51in the past,
28:52I am not surprised.
28:54Last time,
28:56you talked about
28:58the exit plan
29:00of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
29:02The problem is
29:04that the exit plan
29:06will be made
29:08by the leader.
29:10The party will not
29:12negotiate anymore
29:14unless the leader
29:16comes out.
29:18I don't think
29:20that the leader
29:22will come out.
29:24Look,
29:26these things
29:28happen a lot.
29:30When Mr. Nawaz Sharif
29:32went out,
29:34I will give you
29:36another example.
29:38I can talk about
29:40my observation.
29:4290% of the people
29:44from his party
29:46or others
29:48thought that
29:50he will not
29:52come back
29:54and he became
29:56the Prime Minister.
29:58So,
30:00there are many things
30:02that have to be accepted.
30:04When Mr. Nawaz Sharif
30:06came back,
30:08I told you last time
30:10how he sent Mr. Nawaz Sharif
30:12back to Saudi Arabia
30:14and had to accept
30:16Pakistan.
30:18I think that
30:20there will be
30:22an international
30:24guarantor
30:26which everyone
30:28has to accept.
30:30In the case of
30:32Imran Khan,
30:34he is not an
30:36individual.
30:38He is on his own.
30:40That party is
30:42popular but
30:44they are on their
30:46own.
30:48Look,
30:50popularity is
30:52not for
30:54anything.
30:56A smart
30:58politician
31:00knows how
31:02to make his
31:04way.
31:06I think that
31:08both the NRO
31:10and the deal
31:12had guarantors.
31:14Mr. Nawaz Sharif
31:16had a guarantor
31:18in Saudi Arabia
31:20and Mr. Benazir
31:22Khan had a guarantor
31:24in Pakistan.
31:26But he did not
31:28complete his
31:30guarantor.
31:32He told Mr.
31:34Sharif that
31:36he would
31:38remain as
31:40the president
31:42of the country.
31:44But when the
31:46deal did
31:48not work,
31:50the guarantor
31:52was
31:54Mr.
31:56Benazir Khan.
31:58Mr.
32:00Benazir Khan
32:02was
32:04the
32:06guarantor
32:08of the
32:10deal.
32:12The
32:14guarantor
32:16was
32:18Mr.
32:20Benazir Khan.
32:22Mr.
32:24Benazir Khan
32:26was
32:28the
32:30guarantor
32:32of the
32:34deal.
32:36Mr.
32:38Benazir Khan
32:40was
32:42the
32:44guarantor
32:46of the
32:48deal.
32:49Mr.
32:51Benazir Khan
32:53was
32:55the
32:57guarantor
32:59of the
33:01deal.
33:03Mr.
33:05Benazir Khan
33:07was
33:09the
33:11guarantor
33:13of the
33:15deal.
33:16Mr.
33:18Benazir Khan
33:20was
33:22the
33:24guarantor
33:26of the
33:28deal.
33:30Mr.
33:32Benazir Khan
33:34was
33:36the
33:38guarantor
33:40of the
33:42deal.
33:43Mr.
33:45Benazir Khan
33:47was
33:49the
33:51guarantor
33:53of the
33:55deal.
33:57Mr.
33:59Benazir Khan
34:01was
34:03the
34:05guarantor
34:07of the
34:09deal.
34:10Mr.
34:12Benazir Khan
34:14was
34:16the
34:18guarantor
34:20of the
34:22deal.
34:24Mr.
34:26Benazir Khan
34:28was
34:30the
34:32guarantor
34:34of the
34:36deal.
34:37Mr.
34:39Benazir Khan
34:41was
34:43the
34:45guarantor
34:47of the
34:49deal.
34:51Mr.
34:53Benazir Khan
34:55was
34:57the
34:59guarantor
35:01of the
35:03deal.
35:04Mr.
35:06Benazir Khan
35:08was
35:10the
35:12guarantor
35:14of the
35:16deal.
35:18Mr.
35:20Benazir Khan
35:22was
35:24the
35:26guarantor
35:28of the
35:30deal.
35:31Mr.
35:33Benazir Khan
35:35was
35:37the
35:39guarantor
35:41of the
35:43deal.
35:45Mr.
35:47Benazir Khan
35:49was
35:51the
35:53guarantor
35:55of the
35:57deal.
35:58Mr.
36:00Benazir Khan
36:02was
36:04the
36:06guarantor
36:08of the
36:10deal.
36:12Mr.
36:14Benazir Khan
36:16was
36:18the
36:20guarantor
36:22of the
36:24deal.
36:26Mr.
36:28Benazir Khan
36:30was
36:32the
36:34guarantor
36:36of the
36:38deal.