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00:00 All right, hello everybody and welcome to Patriots First and Goal.

00:03 I am Alex Shane, breaking down, unfortunately, yet another Patriots game with my good buddy

00:08 Rich Hill.

00:09 Rich, I hope you're doing better than the Patriots are.

00:12 On the plus side of this, I think anybody out there in Patriots Nation who's maybe hanging

00:17 on to just some tiny sliver of hope that New England could turn their season around, that

00:23 maybe they're going to run some winnable games, get the bye, come back, make some noise, those

00:29 are, that last sliver has been pulled out with tweezers and flicked into the garbage

00:33 can because they lost at home to freaking Sam Howell and Washington.

00:38 They struggled again and it's, if it wasn't over, it's like super duper ultra deluxe over

00:45 now.

00:46 Yeah, totally.

00:47 I mean, like we are at the point where these, this is the easy stretch for the Patriots

00:52 this year, right?

00:53 Like this commanders Colts by week giants, maybe even chargers and then Steelers.

00:58 Like that should have been at least a five game win streak.

01:02 And then you come after the chiefs of the Broncos game.

01:04 Like this should have been the Patriots run where they assert themselves and cement a

01:08 wild card spot.

01:10 But when they put up three points against the Cowboys, when they got shut out against

01:14 the saints, that was it.

01:16 That was it.

01:17 They had a dead cat bounce against the bills, but the fact that they've put up 17 points

01:22 in three out of the past four games.

01:24 And I'm considering that being like the offense is improving, huh?

01:30 Like they're doing some, they might have something going on.

01:34 It's such a depressing way to think about where this team is versus what our expectations

01:40 were to start the year.

01:42 And the only way they score those points is off of turnovers or short fields or busted

01:47 place.

01:48 That's pretty much how they can rely on points.

01:49 They get a short field on a turnover and they hit somebody in the end zone or the hell like

01:54 Armand Ray Stevenson breaks one for 64 yards because somebody missed the coverage tackle

01:59 and they get shut out in the second half and they lose the game on a turnover and it's

02:03 washer and repeat the plus side.

02:04 Rich, I think I can, I can't do it personally.

02:07 I cannot embrace tanking.

02:09 I just don't think it's in me to root for the tank.

02:11 I get it.

02:12 You are, I don't judge.

02:13 There's nothing wrong with it.

02:14 I'm just going to be, I'm kind of going down with this ship, but I have flipped the switch

02:19 and then I can now kind of appreciate the complete comedy of errors that is in the Patriots

02:24 in 2023.

02:25 So if I thought for our first down rather than break the game down, cause there's nothing

02:29 to break down.

02:30 They scored some points.

02:32 Sam Howell ran for 24 yards on third and 23.

02:35 I don't want to relive all this stuff.

02:36 I'm going to go through a couple of moments that I kind of found laugh out loud, funny,

02:40 and maybe you can give me your reaction and rank them as to how they relate to your experience

02:44 in this season so far.

02:46 Let's do it.

02:47 All right.

02:48 So you have six targets for Jalen Rager, including two deep shots for a guy who's a practice

02:53 squad call up and has never once in his life in a deep threat.

02:56 How do you feel about that one?

02:58 Love it.

02:59 Love it.

03:00 I mean, he was doing his very best Devontae Parker impression and he just nailed the role.

03:04 If you look at this whole year, there's no better tribute to Devontae Parker than one

03:08 catch for 11 yards on six targets, other than maybe Tyquan Thornton's one catch for seven

03:13 yards on four targets.

03:14 The fact that those are your two X receivers when you have Keisha and Boutte, who was,

03:18 you know, over four on his very first game and hasn't seen daylight since then.

03:22 The fact that those are the players that the Patriots are trotting out as their X receivers

03:27 while Parker is dealing with injury.

03:30 Chef's kiss.

03:31 They are all playing the exact same role.

03:33 Identically.

03:34 All right.

03:35 So you're a fan of that one.

03:36 How about zero targets for a guy, Mike Gusecki, only two attempts thrown his way for the big

03:41 tight end wide receiver hybrid opposition to get the reds or the commander?

03:45 Excuse me.

03:46 Yeah, no, I raised that.

03:48 Johnnie Smith going for 100 yards for the Falcons this week.

03:52 There's no greater indictment of the Patriots coaching staff than Gusecki being an absolute

03:57 ghost for the Patriots.

03:59 Just following in the footsteps of Johnny Smith being an absolute ghost and being unplayable

04:03 for the Patriots air quotes, unplayable.

04:05 The coaches couldn't figure out how to use him.

04:07 And then you see him go to the Atlanta Falcons and he has 100 yard day in a.

04:11 Score like get out of here.

04:14 So no, perfect.

04:16 Absolutely perfect.

04:17 Like a sec.

04:18 He got nothing.

04:19 You're loving this so far.

04:20 All right.

04:21 How about this one?

04:22 A remandering Stevenson streaking rot wide open on a wheel route.

04:24 Mac Jones feels no pressure, throws off his back foot, complete floater, gets broken up

04:28 to kill a drive.

04:29 How do you feel about that one?

04:30 I feel pretty good about that one.

04:32 I feel pretty good.

04:33 I mean, I think all of I mean, we talked about this earlier in the year.

04:38 Mac Jones is broken.

04:39 He has no technique.

04:41 He is not recovering from all of these mishaps.

04:46 And we've seen enough jets, quarterbacks over the years to know what a quarterback who can't

04:50 come back looks like.

04:52 We're already starting to see some of the scuttle in the new England media around just

04:56 like the coaches just being like, this is the disastrous quarter.

04:59 This is not who we were looking for.

05:01 We're expecting to have a quarterback who could make consistent smart plays.

05:06 We're not looking for someone who has a cannon.

05:08 We're not looking for someone who can win with their athleticism.

05:11 We're looking for someone who can consistently make the right play and we can win within

05:15 that system.

05:16 And Mac Jones is good for about five miscues that end the game.

05:22 Sometimes other teams capitalize on them.

05:24 Sometimes they don't.

05:25 But his ability to throw off of his back foot when he has no need to happens multiple times

05:32 a day.

05:34 So why shouldn't it happen this week?

05:36 Love it, Rich.

05:37 It's on fire right now.

05:38 How about a sweet Demario Douglas punt return called back due to offsides in the special

05:42 teams giving Washington a whole new set of downs?

05:45 Yeah.

05:46 Weren't there like three special team penalties in a row?

05:48 There were.

05:49 It ended with Brendan Schooler screaming at the rest of the sideline.

05:52 A nice disciplined football we saw there.

05:54 Unreal.

05:55 Yeah.

05:56 Now, I mean, the fact that the special teams unit has been so bad, I mean, what, worst

06:00 of the Belichick era last year, Cam Accord can't make it through this season.

06:05 Like Joe Judge will be running that unit next year without any question.

06:11 It's just shocking.

06:12 It is shocking to me.

06:14 And this is not even going into the funny parts of it.

06:16 It is shocking to me that the Patriots spent 20 years building an entire reputation under

06:21 Bill Belichick of playing disciplined football, of playing smart football, of not beating

06:26 yourselves with those pre-snap penalties, of not beating yourself with turnovers.

06:31 And they are checking every single box in the opposite direction for both this year

06:36 and the past couple of years.

06:37 And it's just shocking that it's not like Belichick has changed his focus as to what

06:42 is important to win football.

06:44 You know, it's the hidden yards.

06:45 You're supposed to flip fields during special teams and put your offense in a little bit

06:48 of a better position or your defense in a more favorable position.

06:51 And to give up free yards is just egregious and goes against everything that Bill Belichick

06:58 has ever stood for as a head coach.

07:00 And so it's not that he's not teaching those things.

07:03 It's that the players likely aren't receiving it and they're just not playing to that caliber.

07:08 And part of that's on the front office for assembling this team, for not being able to

07:13 produce to the caliber that is necessary.

07:17 But also it's on the players themselves too, because all of those tenets of what is winning

07:22 football haven't changed.

07:24 Speaking of on the players, how about the end of the game?

07:26 A cross around to Juju Smith-Schuster, right off the hands, picked off, game over.

07:31 How do you feel about that one?

07:32 I don't know.

07:33 Could you have scripted that any more perfectly?

07:35 Like this is an offensive unit that is just no legs whatsoever.

07:41 That Juju Smith-Schuster had his breakout day for six catches and 51 yards.

07:46 That's including that interception at the end.

07:49 It's just so sad.

07:54 There's no better way to end a loss against the commanders than that play.

07:58 That just going to Smith-Schuster, ended up being intercepted.

08:01 When you're obviously not in field goal range yet, but you're close.

08:06 It's a coin flip at this point, be a 58 yarder.

08:08 So obviously not an easy one, but you get less than 10 yards, you're in potential field

08:14 goal range.

08:15 You are in game time field position and that was on second and eight.

08:19 There's no better note to end this game than losing to one of the worst teams in the league

08:25 who had given up.

08:27 Remember this, the commanders traded away their top two defensive players before the

08:30 trade deadline and they gave up and the Patriots couldn't beat them while at home.

08:37 So absolutely they deserve to lose in that fashion.

08:40 They couldn't beat them while at home without those two pass rushers with one of the worst

08:45 calls I'd ever seen on that against Matt or for Mac Jones, that roughing the pass.

08:51 Unbelievable that happened.

08:52 It kept the drive going.

08:53 The only real points they scored came on our Andre Stevenson run, which is a good run.

08:57 No credit credit credits due.

08:59 And then a great fumble that led to a beautiful complimentary football touchdown to Hunter

09:02 Henry.

09:03 But those are really the only two plays or drives of note in the entire game.

09:08 And I think we talked about it last week, which this is a classic scenario.

09:10 If this was say Patriots Colts circa 2007, 2014, they're down 14 to 20 to 20 to 14 or

09:19 whatever the score is.

09:20 The defense forces a punt.

09:22 You just know, you know, Tom Brady will get points on the board.

09:27 He will do what he has to do.

09:28 He'll generate a drive and they're going to win the game.

09:30 You were as confident as you could be in an unpredictable game that was going to happen

09:34 for a long time.

09:35 Now when Washington punted again, my question, my first thing was like, okay, so how are

09:40 they going to lose this game?

09:41 Is it going to be a turnover?

09:43 Is it going to be a turnover on downs because he got sacked on second and 15 and then sacked

09:47 again on third and 20?

09:49 Or is it going to be like a ridiculous penalty that calls back a major play like you just

09:53 the real mystery now is not if they're going to lose.

09:57 It's what embarrassing way they're going to lose.

09:59 And this week, I guess door number three, it was an interception to end the game.

10:04 And here we find ourselves two and seven hands down the worst team in the AFC.

10:09 Are they Rich Hill, the worst team in the NFL or the teams in the NFC, even though they

10:13 have fifth draft, fifth overall draft pick, there are guys ahead of them in the draft

10:17 order.

10:18 Are they the worst team in the league?

10:19 In your opinion?

10:22 I think there's two different ways to analyze it.

10:25 One are they the least talented team in the league right now to that?

10:31 I would say no, maybe I would, I wouldn't say a confident.

10:37 Yes.

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11:18 The other question there that you're asking is how does their future stack up to other

11:25 teams?

11:26 How many other teams would trade position to be where the Patriots are right now?

11:31 At least the Panthers have Bryce Young, you know, or at least they feel like they might

11:36 have a player that can be a part of their future.

11:39 Arizona Cardinals, they've been dealing with Kyler's injury.

11:43 They've been playing well.

11:44 They are in the same seat, roughly, that the Lions were when Dan Campbell took them over

11:49 like a few years ago, where the players are playing hard and you can see it.

11:53 You can see the pieces coming together a little bit.

11:55 So maybe it's not this year, but like it's coming around the corner.

11:59 The two other teams, I'd say probably on par with the Patriots, the Bears and the Giants.

12:05 Those would be the two teams that I'd be like, I don't know necessarily if I would trade

12:09 the, or if they'd be like willing to trade with the Patriots for it, but it's not a cut

12:15 and dry thing.

12:16 It's not something that I feel like they would say like, oh, without a doubt, at least the

12:20 Bears, you know, you look at their roster, DJ Moore, very, very good.

12:25 They have a few other players like up and down the roster that I think have a lot of

12:29 potential.

12:30 I really liked Darnell Wright as attacker.

12:31 They have some pretty good offensive linemen, Cody Whitehair.

12:35 They have some pieces and maybe it's not like the right coaching staff.

12:39 Everfluss is going to be fired by the end of this year, but they also have two picks

12:46 in the top three right now because they own the Panthers pick.

12:51 And so, or sorry, vice versa, the Panthers have two picks in the top three.

12:55 So it's one where it's just like, I don't know necessarily how many teams the Patriots

13:00 would want to trade with, but they're definitely a bottom three franchise right now.

13:05 - Oh, how the mighty have fallen, Rich Hill.

13:07 And again, if they're losing and they're showing promise, that's one thing.

13:11 I think we were all so excited about 2021.

13:13 They lost games.

13:14 We didn't care.

13:15 They were on their trajectory going upward.

13:17 They were kind of stagnant in 2022 and they're just in a free fall in 2023.

13:23 I am optimistic about this off season, both due to the high draft pick they're going to

13:27 get in the cap space that they have, but it's just weird how we're sitting here talking

13:31 about a loss in November and the concern is not, oh man, now they're gonna have to go

13:35 to Indianapolis or Kansas city for the AFC championship game.

13:39 Now it's just like, yeah, they lost in November.

13:41 Let's talk about the draft before Thanksgiving even happens, but that's just the way it is.

13:46 This is another embarrassing game.

13:47 I'm not looking forward to talking about it ever again.

13:50 So unless you want to talk about something else, we can move on to second down.

13:53 - Let's move to second down.

13:55 - Speaking of crap, second down, Rich, second goal around the NFL week 10, somehow every

14:00 good team in the league is on a buy this week, which leaves us with the marquee matchups

14:05 like Browns, Ravens, Titans, Buccaneers, Jets, Raiders, and Broncos, Bills, and primetime.

14:12 Giants Cowboys could be a good game because it's a divisional matchup, but the Giants

14:15 stink and the Cowboys are good.

14:17 All the talented teams are pretty much on a buy this week and it's going to be kicked

14:21 off with something that's going to set international relations back between the US and Germany

14:25 for decades with Colts Patriots at 930.

14:28 No one's going to want to watch that besides Colts and Patriots fan.

14:31 Is there any game on this slate, Rich, including the Pats game you're remotely excited about?

14:36 - Yeah, the Thursday night game.

14:39 One and seven Panthers on the road against the two and seven Bears.

14:42 As we talked about earlier, the Bears own that Panthers pick.

14:46 So no matter what happens, the Bears kind of win in this scenario.

14:52 They're currently holding two of the top three draft picks in the first round, which is absolutely

14:57 absurd.

14:58 They are, you know, I think there's a strong chance that whoever, you know, the Patriots

15:07 draft pick will fall somewhere in line with these two.

15:11 And so I think the Patriots will have a very concerted, like, opinion on this game.

15:19 Like they're going to be paying attention to it because that's where this team is right

15:22 now.

15:23 So I'm curious to see how these teams approach the rest of the year from a, how are they

15:28 leaning into the suck, if that makes sense.

15:32 Like the Patriots made their choice that they weren't going to sell off the prospects that

15:37 they had prior to the trade deadline.

15:40 Washington commanders decided to do that.

15:42 I'm curious to see if the Patriots are going to make the active decision to kind of jockey

15:49 with these, like the Panthers and Bears team to kind of get the top picks overall.

15:59 But I also feel like, you know, Chicago has, you know, nothing to lose from winning this

16:04 one.

16:05 Like that actually helps them a little bit, but Panthers also can go all in.

16:09 So it's one of those games where I feel like when the teams are really, really bad, sometimes

16:14 it could be a fun game to watch.

16:16 And it's Thursday night.

16:17 Who knows about Thursday night?

16:18 That's such a crap shoot, whether the game's going to be good or not.

16:21 It's funny to be interested in games like Falcons Cardinals.

16:24 I'll be paying attention to hopefully the Cardinals win that one.

16:27 Giants Cowboys I care about.

16:29 Hopefully the Giants bought the upset there.

16:31 Even though my wife's a Cowboys fan, I can't say that too loud in this house.

16:35 It's weird to be talking about the Broncos, rooting for the Broncos, not because it's

16:38 an anti-bills thing, but like the Broncos win, help the Patriots draft stock.

16:42 So it's almost like I'm playing like draft pick fantasy for the first time in a long

16:46 time where I'm rooting for other teams to win because it helps and for the Patriots

16:49 to lose because it helps their draft stock out.

16:51 Again, that said, I can't officially root for them to lose.

16:54 But overall, if you're like a casual football fan who likes to watch teams play and you

17:00 decide to take this week off, I don't necessarily blame you too much because not a lot of marquee

17:04 matchups here.

17:05 Yeah, I will say that there's two games that I feel like could be exciting to watch.

17:10 Texan Bengals, CJ Stroud coming off of just an incredible record setting day for the Texans

17:15 last week.

17:16 And he had like 470 passing yards and five touchdowns, no interceptions for the Texans.

17:20 He's looking incredible knockout pick by Nick Casario and the Houston Texans.

17:25 They're on the road against Joe Burrow and the Bengals.

17:28 This is going to have wildcard implications.

17:30 So very interested to see how that works out.

17:33 There's also the five and three 49ers on the road against the six and two Jaguars, which

17:37 y'all, the Jaguars are six and two.

17:40 I was caught by surprise on that one.

17:42 They're on a five game win streak.

17:43 They're not like the class of the AFC, but they're a playoff team.

17:47 They have a bright future there.

17:49 And then the last game, actually, that was also the six and two Lions on the road against

17:52 the four and four Chargers.

17:53 Jared Goff playing like top five quarterback.

17:55 Justin Herbert is a top five quarterback, but he kind of has that Brett Favre gene where

18:00 he's a big boomer bust.

18:01 And so this could either be, you know, like a 40 40 game or the Lions could win this one

18:05 pretty handily.

18:06 Yeah, I'll tell you, you know, I know it's still a little early to talk about playoff

18:10 projections because Patriots are so far out of that.

18:13 It's not even funny, but it's weird that if the season ended today, all four AFC North

18:18 teams would be in the playoffs and the bills are on the outside looking in right now.

18:23 Who'd have thought?

18:24 Very, very strange, very weird season for a lot of reasons.

18:27 They must regret losing to the Patriots.

18:29 Yeah, I guess if nothing else, if the Patriots have that one Patriots game where they somehow

18:35 beat the bills is what keeps them out of the postseason.

18:39 I'm not going to call it a successful season, but it'll sting just a little bit less because

18:43 this is the role that we're now in.

18:44 We play spoiler for the good teams.

18:46 It happened to us for 20 years.

18:47 We're overdue for that.

18:49 But it's kind of crazy to see the Ravens, Steelers, Browns and Bengals.

18:52 This has to be the first time ever all four teams in a kind of division made the playoff

18:56 for it to happen.

18:57 But if you're not really interested in that, I got nothing else for this this week, Rich.

19:03 The not even close to marquee game will start at 930 a.m.

19:08 It is I am sorry, Germany.

19:10 It is Kohl's Patriots.

19:11 We'll get that right after this.

19:15 All right, Rich, international game when this game first hit the schedule back in April

19:20 or so, I was a little pissed off because it meant the Patriots lost the home game.

19:24 They're technically the home team against the Indianapolis Colts coming into Frankfurt.

19:28 They're playing in.

19:29 I don't remember exactly where you're Frankfurt.

19:32 But this year, actually, is kind of a blessing because the Patriots think at home they only

19:36 have one win there is against the bills.

19:38 They're playing the Colts again.

19:39 This is not a game.

19:40 You're setting their alarm to wake up to if you're on the West Coast, you can sleep right

19:43 through it.

19:44 I'm going to be watching some a masochist.

19:46 I'm sure you are as well.

19:48 Well, speaking of masochists, get to the painful part first.

19:52 Let's talk about the Patriots offense against the Colts defense.

19:57 I'm not going to ask you how you score points because they don't score points.

20:00 But I'm going to ask you, how are you going to try and probably fail to score points if

20:05 you're the Patriots going to the Colts defense?

20:06 Yeah.

20:07 I mean, is it that kind of sad thing where it's just like all the standard things are

20:11 true?

20:12 Like, yeah, just protect the football.

20:15 This is a good Colts defense, by the way, as it relates to turnovers.

20:18 They forced a turnover in every single game this year in multiple turnovers and four of

20:23 them.

20:24 So, you know, they are licking their chops playing against this Patriots team.

20:27 They have the reigning defensive player of the week in the FC and Kenny Moore, who, you

20:34 know, former Patriots practice squatter who has found his footing and has made a really

20:37 good career for himself with the Colts.

20:40 They have pretty strong rotational players, really good defensive lineman in DeForest

20:45 Buckner.

20:47 They have, you know, just overall really fast speed on defense.

20:56 But they're also not necessarily great overall, if that makes sense.

21:00 They rank 26 points allowed per drive.

21:04 They are always set up for like some of the worst field position.

21:07 They've, you know, middle of the pack as it relates to running, but ranked 20th against

21:12 the pass.

21:13 So there are ways to have success against them, but it's kind of fluctuating.

21:19 Like they gave up 137 yards to the Panthers last week, but 350 to the Saints the week

21:23 before, 166 to the Browns the week before that.

21:28 This is not necessarily a team where it's really simple on how to play them.

21:34 But if I were to say what their strengths are, I would say it's their speed and I would

21:38 say it's their defensive line.

21:40 And so I would say the Patriots need to have a really strong outing from their offensive

21:44 line.

21:45 They need to find a way for Ramondre Stevenson and Ezekiel Elliott to continue to have, you

21:51 know, they've been building success over the course of this year.

21:54 That's been a positive trend for the Patriots offense.

21:56 What the Patriots really need to do is win with their number two receiver.

22:01 Because Kenny Moore is going to do a great job removing Demario Douglas.

22:05 And maybe the easiest X factor question of the game is Devante Parker.

22:12 If he gets cleared, Juju Smith Schuster, Keishon Butte, Rager, Tyquan Thornton.

22:19 I mean,

22:20 Who is number two receiver for this team?

22:24 Anybody literally anybody.

22:25 They have to put Parker back in there.

22:27 And it's like it's one where they just someone someone has to show up.

22:31 And like I'm not talking about Juju Smith Schuster putting up 51 yards in a fumble or

22:36 like a turnover to interception kind of a thing.

22:39 They need someone to show up or else this is going to be another day where Mac Jones

22:43 throws 400, 200 yards.

22:45 For those of you who are listening to the podcast version of this, not watching the

22:49 video feed, smart move A and B.

22:52 Rich made that entire rant with one hand over his face like a palm.

22:56 What's hell happening?

22:57 I'm hiding my cures.

22:58 Yeah, it was basically I could tell how much that pained you to have to have that little

23:04 discussion with me.

23:05 Yeah, I mean, I guess I guess the X factor is somebody and I think that's a reasonable

23:09 X factor.

23:10 Anybody, anybody?

23:11 Yeah, I mean, again, Demario Douglas, good for him for becoming the number one receiver.

23:15 He's not a number one receiver, nor should he be.

23:17 I think he'd be a great number two in a system with like a decent outside threat and he's

23:23 on the way up.

23:24 But yeah, I mean, he's the guy.

23:26 It's not hard to shut him down right now.

23:28 He's a rookie.

23:29 He's not.

23:30 He's still learning and he's not going to have a productive day.

23:31 I don't know who's going to be the second guy.

23:34 It's not going to be like a second.

23:35 He's I don't know why he can't make it in.

23:37 Don Hunter Henry flashes.

23:39 He might be worth a deep, deep flex and fantasy leaves because he's going to be the main target

23:42 for Mac Jones, I think.

23:44 But my offensive X factor, it's going to be the end zone, just like the actual end zone

23:50 on the field.

23:52 If they're able to get the ball across it a couple of times, I think that'll really

23:57 help them score some points.

23:59 Harness my inner John Madden analyst.

24:01 I just don't know who it's going to be.

24:06 I actually figured this would be the kind of game where it would be so nice to have

24:10 like a Shane Verne or a James White or just like a pure receiving back.

24:15 I think the Mondra experiment is kind of a failure in terms of a do all back that can

24:19 run the ball and catch the ball.

24:22 He's a decent pass catcher, not a great one.

24:24 But if they had like a pure third down back, they can motion about against a linebacker

24:28 and feast over the middle.

24:29 That'd be great.

24:30 But they don't have that.

24:32 So I don't know what they're going to do.

24:35 Maybe they'll do a lot of short intermediate throws and high Montgomery game.

24:39 I mean, I've ship has sailed.

24:41 Rich Hill was very high on time on coming for a long time, but there's no way I can

24:46 watch this season and still be like a time Montgomery guy.

24:49 That just wouldn't make any sense.

24:51 So I really I mean, one thing I'm genuinely curious to see what their offensive game plan

24:56 is.

24:57 I feel like it definitely is more of a passing game than a running game in terms of mismatches,

25:01 but their strength is the running game.

25:03 Maybe Zeke goes off.

25:04 Maybe Zeke has like a outlet back, has like takes a screen to the house, something like

25:09 that.

25:10 Maybe they use a lot of motion to to get the Colts off and you like to play action more

25:13 middle of the field.

25:14 I don't know.

25:15 Maybe Juju, you know, he to his credit, he took a lot of accountability this week about

25:19 his job that I have to make those matches.

25:21 That's on me.

25:22 Maybe he's trying to prove himself, but I just don't know exactly what's going to happen

25:28 on Sunday morning.

25:29 Yeah, I mean, I so additional context, Gus Bradley is the defensive coordinator for the

25:34 Colts.

25:35 People should remember him.

25:37 He was the former Seahawks defensive coordinator, you know, running that cover three style defense

25:42 that Tom Brady had a lot of success with over the years.

25:45 So like it's one that Patriots know how to do it like they know.

25:51 And a lot of it is exactly what you said.

25:54 Whoever the receiving back is a lot of those angle routes coming out of the backfield.

25:58 But what always carried the day, Julian Julian Edelman in the slot, having players that can

26:03 run across the field could be Demario Douglas.

26:06 It could very well be him as the solution, but that's where their strength with Kenny

26:09 Moore as being a really strong slot receiver, a really good defensive back.

26:14 That's where it becomes difficult.

26:17 Patriots need to find a way to get Demario Douglas in isolation because he is their best

26:22 receiver.

26:23 He is their most capable receiver.

26:24 He is the type of receiver that carves up these cover three defenses, but the Patriots

26:30 can't treat him as a sacrificial lamb and just trot him out against Kenny Moore.

26:33 They need to find ways for him to get open.

26:36 What they did against the Bills with a lot of motion is what they have to do here and

26:41 find ways to just get him the ball in space because otherwise they're just, you know,

26:46 Mac Jones isn't a good enough quarterback to dissect defense in the way that we are

26:50 used to watching as Patriots fans.

26:53 Do you think this is the week, Rich Hill, that we see some Keishon Boutte?

26:56 There was a lot of calls for him last week and a lot of anger that he wasn't on the field.

27:00 I personally don't see why everyone's so obsessed with it, but I get it.

27:03 Why not give him a shot?

27:04 See what they got in them.

27:05 Yeah.

27:06 You think he makes the trip?

27:07 I don't know, man.

27:08 It's the one where it's like, I would like to see that, but that's coming up from a place

27:14 of what more are you going to see throwing the ball to Tyquan Thornton and Jalen Rager,

27:19 right?

27:20 Like it's like with the same thing with the Patriots offensive line where it's like, well,

27:23 we don't want to move on Wayne to right tackle.

27:25 We need to have something to do with consistency.

27:27 It's like, well, to what ends?

27:28 They're the worst offensive line in football.

27:30 If you move to the right tackle, what's going to happen there?

27:32 They're going to stay the worst offensive line.

27:34 Sure.

27:35 Maybe it's going to make it a little bit better.

27:36 This is without a doubt, the worst offensive receiving group in the entire NFL as it relates

27:40 to their ability to create separation, as it relates to their ability to produce.

27:45 So like why keep trotting out these players that can't do anything at this point, we're

27:50 playing with lottery tickets.

27:52 Let's see what's there.

27:53 Let's see if Boutte has anything that he can bring to the table because we have a track

27:56 record.

27:57 We have a track record with Rieger just from his previous stops.

28:00 We have a track record with Taekwon Thornton.

28:02 We have a, you know, a track record right now with, you know, a little bit of a higher

28:05 ceiling, but we know what Devante Parker is and it's just, let's just see what else is

28:11 on the roster.

28:12 You know, like Parker can stay active, but there's no value to having Thornton and Rieger

28:16 out there.

28:17 Are you officially out on Taekwon Thornton?

28:19 Are you still kind of clinging to some hope there?

28:21 Zero, zero.

28:22 And like, I'm saying this as someone who like wishes him nothing but the best, but I was

28:26 opposed to that pick from day one.

28:28 I know you were.

28:29 The fun of the question was like, you know, he's thin and his kind of inability to gain

28:36 weight really caused him trouble in the NFL, but like he never even saw the field, which

28:41 is interesting.

28:42 I feel like he never, it's not really his fault, but he's never had any chance to develop

28:44 or grow.

28:45 He just can't see the field.

28:47 Maybe that's because he's so thin and he got hurt a lot.

28:49 I don't know what it was, but yeah, we can just add him to the ever growing pile of the

28:54 second round busts that Bill Belichick has somehow, again, I swear he made a deal with

29:00 somebody, some devil or some Celtic God or something that like he will sacrifice a second

29:05 round player every year in exchange for success for the last 20.

29:09 And now the bill is finally coming.

29:11 It's the fault that Barmore was a good pick that broke the pact.

29:14 That was.

29:15 It's all Barmore's fault, which is good enough transition as any, Rich Hill.

29:19 Fourth and goal, Patriots defense versus Colts offense.

29:23 Christian Barmore is one of the lone bright spots on this season.

29:26 Kyle Duggar is trying to step up again.

29:28 There are some good pieces along this defense.

29:29 I'm definitely at the point.

29:30 I don't know about you, Rich, but like when the defense is on the field, I'm having more

29:34 fun with the game, which is kind of crazy because maybe they get a turnover and they

29:38 kick a field goal.

29:39 That's kind of what I'm hoping happens every time the D takes the field.

29:43 So it was Sam Howell last week who actually looked pretty good.

29:47 I don't want to like say that Sam Howell, some kind of scrub who had a kind of just

29:51 crazy game.

29:52 He's actually a pretty decent quarterback.

29:53 I think it's Gardner.

29:54 Michoud is the quarterback for the Colts with Anthony Richardson out getting surgery.

29:59 The backups are good buddy, Sam Ellinger.

30:01 They took him to the woodshed last time these two teams played.

30:04 I can't imagine he'll see the field.

30:06 Michoud is not a great quarterback.

30:09 He's not terrible.

30:10 He's pretty vanilla.

30:11 He's streaky.

30:12 He's kind of like Fitz magic in that like you'll have like a 400 yard game and then

30:15 a four pick game.

30:16 It's very, very weird like that.

30:18 But if you are Steve Belichick, how are you attacking this Colts offense?

30:21 Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty good offense.

30:24 Honestly, I like them.

30:26 They Zach Moss, very solid running back and I know that Jonathan Taylor is back.

30:31 So they have a really strong one to punch out of the backfield.

30:36 Michael Pittman is a very good top receiver for them.

30:39 I believe he's entering in contract here.

30:41 But Josh Downs, very good young receiver.

30:43 Alec Pierce, big deep threat, another really good young receiver that they have.

30:47 So they have some good pieces out there.

30:50 They have three receivers that can really play Pittman's on the bigger side.

30:53 Downs falls more to that like Emanuel Sanders S type role that are given the Patriots fits

30:58 in the past.

30:59 And then Alec Pierce is just that speedster on the outside.

31:02 I really liked him coming out of the draft.

31:03 He does such a good job generating separation.

31:06 Definitely like a little bit of boom bust.

31:09 But when you have a quarterback like Gardner Minshew, that's what it takes.

31:13 You might get a home run hit out of him.

31:15 And so if I'm the Patriots, I'm a little nervous as in obviously you're going to be nervous.

31:20 You're not in a good position to win this one.

31:22 But it's a thing where I don't think Minshew himself is going to win the game with a Herculean

31:27 effort.

31:29 And it's also not a case where, you know, there's one answer key.

31:34 Defending the run game isn't necessarily the answer because they have three receivers that

31:39 can probably put up, you know, over 80 yards in a given day and a quarterback that's willing

31:44 to risk it.

31:45 And that's pretty dangerous for the Patriots.

31:47 I really like that Fitzpatrick comparison.

31:50 Even if their style of play or their techniques aren't exactly the same, that risk taking

31:55 mentality, perfect.

31:57 Minshew doesn't care.

31:59 And he's going to go out there and take his opportunities perhaps and hopefully maybe

32:03 the Patriots defense will be able to capitalize.

32:06 But if I'm the Patriots, a lot of it also comes down to like who is available.

32:10 JC Jackson, is it making the trip to Germany?

32:13 Jack Jones, you know, he is a question mark just as it relates to what the team trusts

32:18 in him right now.

32:19 He was benched for the first couple of drives last game.

32:21 So you have Jonathan Jones, who's been dealing with a knee injury as your top cornerback.

32:26 And you got Miles Bryant, who's been dealing with a chest injury as your other cornerback.

32:30 And then that's why Sean Wade's playing a lot, which is not great.

32:33 And so if I'm the Patriots, who gets what matchup?

32:37 You're kind of out of luck because you don't really have like if Jack Jones can play, then

32:42 he's going to get Michael Pittman most likely.

32:44 And then you put Miles Bryant on Josh Downs and then you have Jonathan Jones probably

32:48 in isolation on Alec Pierce, just match speed on speed.

32:53 But it's definitely not a situation that I feel like the Patriots have any wiggle room.

32:58 And I think that the Colts office of talent just I mean, just just do the Patriots injury.

33:02 I think the Patriots are kind of looking up at the Colts receivers right now.

33:07 You think it's more like a man game than his own game?

33:09 I mean, with the lack of depth in their cornerback, maybe just try to zone it out and get some

33:13 help if we can.

33:14 Yeah, I mean, like we saw what happened against the Dolphins.

33:16 It felt like every single time they just sat back in their zone to have found someone on

33:21 an in route every single time they just sat in the zone.

33:24 This Patriots defense is not fast enough, not athletic enough, not savvy enough to be

33:29 able to do that successfully.

33:31 And like, I don't think that the Colts offense is the same level as the Dolphins by any means.

33:38 But they have talent, they know what they're doing.

33:41 And so I think man puts the Patriots in a better position to stifle their offense.

33:47 You're going to have some risks if you do that.

33:49 But it puts them in a better position.

33:50 Like, I just feel like you can't play zone too much in this modern NFL because that just

33:56 lets the opposing offense get into a rhythm and they're just going to find the open player

33:59 every single time.

34:01 You see the the passing game seems to be more of a threat to them the running game, which

34:05 I feel like the Patriots match up pretty well against the Colts offensive line.

34:08 Yeah, I mean, like it's a good Colts offensive line to in general, like Quentin Nelson, one

34:14 of the best offensive linemen in the league.

34:16 Ryan Kelly, pretty good offensive center.

34:19 They are okay at tackle Ryman and Freeland are okay.

34:22 And then we'll freeze is like another okay guard.

34:26 The Patriots I do think match up well, it's like going to be a pretty even battle up front.

34:32 I mean, I think, you know, undersung player for the Patriots has been Anfernee Jennings,

34:36 who has really just elevated his play this year.

34:39 I wouldn't be surprised if he got a second contract with the Patriots.

34:42 He's the type of player that you want in that defensive front.

34:45 But I think that like the Patriots big X factor through all of this is probably going to be

34:49 Juwan Bentley.

34:50 Like, I think that he has been the Patriots best defensive player picked up two sacks

34:55 last week.

34:56 He's almost the leading tackler.

34:58 I think that obviously Duggar and Peppers are good as well.

35:01 But Bentley is the heart of this Patriots defense.

35:04 And when you have good runners like Zach Moss and Jonathan Taylor, you're going to have

35:08 to be stout up the middle.

35:09 But when you're playing these three receivers, you're going to be in a lot of nickel.

35:13 And so you need to have your interior like defense, you know, your linebackers make no

35:18 mistakes.

35:19 Like they have to be able to stop the run because they're going to dedicate their resources

35:23 to stopping the pass.

35:25 And so, you know, I think Bentley has the ability to do it.

35:29 He is one of the better defenders that the Patriots have.

35:33 So I'm, you know, if he has a really strong day, if he can be very disruptive, force a

35:37 fumble, take away that middle of the field or that short game, then the Patriots will,

35:41 you know, hopefully be in a better position to win this one.

35:44 Hopefully, I'm gonna go with Dietrich Weiss as my X factor.

35:47 He's going to be having a quietly good year.

35:49 He's usually in on most sacks.

35:51 Barmore's getting a lot of attention and rightly so.

35:53 But Dietrich Weiss has been a pretty good, pretty solid guy for them.

35:55 I think they are going to win this game.

35:57 It's going to be up front.

35:58 They're going to put pressure on Minshew, force some mistakes, force him to take those

36:01 risks that he likes to take that maybe he shouldn't be taking.

36:04 Maybe get a couple of deep picks from Kyle Duggar or Jonathan Jones.

36:08 Maybe Miles Bryant shows up.

36:10 He's just really not a very good quarterback this year.

36:12 Maybe he surprises us this year.

36:13 But if they are going to win this game, it's going to be getting pressure on Gardner Minshew

36:16 and it's going to be kind of collapsing in that pocket.

36:18 He's not the most mobile quarterback in the league for sure.

36:21 I think Patriots are coming off some pretty mobile quarterbacks.

36:23 But then again, Rich Hill, they did give up a 24-yard run on third and 23 last week to

36:29 the commander.

36:30 So maybe it's one of those situations where every quarterback is mobile against this unit.

36:34 Who knows?

36:35 Yeah, no, it's true.

36:37 The Patriots, I give their defense a lot more grace than the offense just because they've

36:42 been dealing with so many injuries.

36:45 This is the not fun fact is that the Patriots leader in quarterback hits in sacks is still

36:51 Matthew Judon and he hasn't played in the past five weeks.

36:54 So they just haven't been able to make up any of it.

36:57 Like Jawan Bentley is their top quarterback's hit of players that's active.

37:01 Like no one on their defensive front, like no one on their defensive.

37:05 They just are dealing with too many injuries.

37:08 Losing Christian Gonzalez has really gutted that secondary.

37:11 Losing Judon has gutted the defensive front.

37:13 Like they have no leeway.

37:16 That's the truth for most teams.

37:17 If you lose your top two players, you're going to be in a bad spot, especially when they're

37:22 such high leverage positions.

37:24 You know, it's one thing if you lose your best players and it's like a nose tackle and

37:27 a safety when you know their important roles, don't get me wrong, but having a top cornerback

37:32 and a top pass rusher is way more valuable in today's NFL.

37:36 And so the Patriots defense is going to be overpowered.

37:39 It's not their fault.

37:40 I think they still have some really good pieces.

37:42 They can put up a good game.

37:45 But this is a Colt offense that has been pretty productive.

37:49 Again, like seventh and point scored overall.

37:53 I know some of the benefits of the defense, but like they can make things happen.

37:58 They're effective on the ground.

37:59 And this is one of those situations where if the Patriots fall behind a little bit,

38:03 I feel like the Colts maybe flip the script on the Patriots and just be able to run the

38:08 ball really effectively and run down the clock.

38:11 Yeah.

38:12 I mean, again, we talked about it in past podcasts, like this team just isn't built

38:15 to come back.

38:17 It's like, oh, three nothing.

38:18 Well, game's over, I guess.

38:20 I feel like if they could take a 10 point lead and it's still not going to matter because

38:23 I feel like these points are so hard to come by for this offense, unless they somehow come

38:29 up to like a commanding, like 28 to nothing lead somehow off like six botched punts or

38:33 whatever, they're just not going to be ever comfortable in their lead.

38:38 And with a Colts team that can score points, not at will, but pretty consistently at the

38:43 very least, they know how to play clock control offense.

38:45 It could be a long day.

38:47 I'll throw either longer flight back to that end.

38:50 Rich Hill, I think it's time for some predictions.

38:53 Last week, let's see.

38:54 I was stupid enough to think the Patriots would beat the Washington commanders at home.

38:58 What an idiot.

38:59 You had the commanders winning that one 17 to 13.

39:02 Not that far off, Rich.

39:04 So good work.

39:05 The camera is back on your side of the table.

39:08 Patriots are technically quote unquote hosting the Colts at 930 AM over in Germany.

39:12 Who do you got?

39:14 Yeah, I'm going with the Colts on this one.

39:18 I mentioned this last week that like we are watching the end of days for the Patriots

39:24 right now.

39:25 They just don't have the horses and the Colts do.

39:29 And I'm going to have the Colts winning this one, something like 24 to 13.

39:33 This Patriots offense, I just have no trust in, as you said, unless it's like a broken

39:39 play, like the Farrow Brown touchdown against the Jets, or it's that 64 yard remandre Stevenson

39:44 run.

39:45 They're not scoring touchdowns on elongated drives and they're only scoring if their defense

39:50 gets them the ball in scoring position.

39:53 Maybe they get a touchdown out of it more often than not.

39:56 They're getting the ball in field goal range and settling for a field goal.

39:59 And so I don't see the Patriots being able to pull this one off.

40:03 This is not a great Colts defense.

40:06 You know, they gave up 37 of the Jaguars, 39 to the Browns, 38 to the Saints in consecutive

40:10 weeks before limiting the Panthers to 13.

40:13 But we've seen the Patriots play really bad defensive.

40:18 Commanders ranked 31st on defense before the Patriots played them.

40:20 The Raiders Saints, they're both bottom units and the Patriots couldn't score more than

40:25 17.

40:26 So this is one of those games where I don't think the Patriots have it.

40:29 I think that we're just watching the slow march towards the end of the season.

40:34 And I just hope that all the players stay healthy.

40:36 All right.

40:37 Colts, 24 to 13 for Rich Hill.

40:40 I'll make it easy for next week.

40:41 I will take the Patriots mainly because it's Germany.

40:45 Those games are always kind of wonky.

40:47 You never know what's going to happen.

40:49 The Patriots have yet to register a special teams or defensive touchdown in 2023.

40:54 They're going to get one.

40:55 I'm going to call this week to be the one, either a punt return or a fumble recovery

40:59 or a pick six.

41:00 Something happens non-offensively to points on the board.

41:03 And that's going to be enough to get the Patriots over the Colts.

41:05 We're going to have a bad day.

41:07 They'll be jet lagged.

41:08 It's 930 in the morning.

41:09 Maybe there'll be more Patriots fans in the stands than Colts fans.

41:11 I don't know what the makeup is for these Germany overseas games.

41:15 If it's expats, if it's actual Germans who know, but maybe there's a home field advantage

41:20 and maybe Mac Jones has some German ancestry or something.

41:23 I don't know what his lineage is.

41:24 Maybe we'll bring Sebastian Vollmer out of retirement.

41:26 He can translate.

41:27 But I think the Patriots win this one in a squeaker on some special teams or defensive

41:31 nonsense 20 to 17.

41:33 I mean, I'll take nonsense.

41:35 I will not oppose nonsense.

41:37 However, will you be upset if the Patriots win this game because it hurts their draft

41:41 stock?

41:42 I mean, it's weird, but kind of.

41:47 It's one where it's like, I don't know if they win and it feels good.

41:50 It feels like, okay.

41:53 They are utilizing motion.

41:55 Demario Douglas puts up has himself a monster day.

41:59 Romandre Stevenson goes for 200 yard.

42:01 Like if it's if they do it in good fashion, then I'm cool with that.

42:05 I'm cool with that.

42:06 If it's like a Pyrrhic victory and every single player is both left or hurt and or, you know,

42:13 it's a three zero game.

42:15 I'm just like, just lose.

42:18 Just lose.

42:19 I don't like there's no value at this point in winning a bad game.

42:22 There is some value in winning if it feels like it's going to turn just like the mentality

42:26 of this team around in the long term.

42:29 There is value to winning if it feels like, oh, maybe the offense has clicked or that

42:35 the team is playing with fire that we haven't seen in a while.

42:38 If we're seeing a commitment that we just haven't seen for a couple of years, we're

42:42 seeing a buy in.

42:43 Cool.

42:44 I'd be okay with that.

42:46 I'm fine with winning for the culture and then maybe setting up for more success next

42:50 year.

42:51 But if it's an ugly one, lose the heck out of that game.

42:55 Speaking of buying in, Rachel, the big win is the Patriots have a buy after this game.

43:00 So what happens?

43:02 We get a week off from watching this.

43:04 So as of I'm actually all in on these nine thirty games because it'd be nice to have

43:07 the Patriots game over by like noon on Sunday so I can get out with my life.

43:12 And the fact that I'll have from twelve thirty p.m. until like one p.m. in two weeks to not

43:18 think about this team for once.

43:19 I'm kind of looking forward to that.

43:21 Usually the byweeks like oh nothing get healthy, get some guys back, make the playoff push,

43:25 kind of regroup a bit.

43:26 Now it's just like there's no way they can lose on a late turnover in week eleven.

43:30 And that's nice.

43:31 Yeah, no, totally.

43:33 And we have a lot to look forward to when they come back from the bye week.

43:37 I'll have you know, they'll be on the road against the New York Giants, which, as I said

43:45 at the beginning of this podcast, probably the only other team that I would say the Patriots

43:50 would be like, maybe we don't want to switch spots with them.

43:54 It's going to be a battle of the two worst teams in the league from a long term perspective.

44:00 They are a total mess.

44:02 But who knows?

44:04 Maybe that could make the game interesting.

44:06 Maybe.

44:07 But we will worry about that in a couple of weeks.

44:11 Let's just get through this Colts game.

44:12 Let's get over there.

44:13 I'm rooting for the win.

44:14 I'm rooting for a convincing win.

44:16 And I'm rooting to at least build some momentum into the latter half of the season.

44:20 We're over the Humperdhill.

44:22 We're more than halfway there.

44:24 And the finish line isn't completely in sight yet.

44:26 But like I can kind of see the season coming to a close, which is also a nice win.

44:31 Totally.

44:32 Yeah.

44:33 I mean, there's not a lot to root for right now.

44:36 But I do think that the Patriots will be set up.

44:41 They have the most cap space in the league heading into next year.

44:44 They should have one of the top draft picks.

44:46 They will have good defensive players coming back for next year.

44:50 They have the pieces to make it more exciting.

44:53 I kind of just want to see Belichick get the record and then retire.

45:00 I know that'll be a few years.

45:01 I know they have to figure out the offense.

45:04 But I hope they do.

45:05 I hope they do.

45:06 Because I'd rather see him go off into the sunset with the all-time wins record versus

45:10 get fired mid-year after losing it in Germany.

45:13 Yeah.

45:14 That's no...

45:15 That'll be the worst thing to ever happen in Germany, as far as I'm concerned.

45:21 Well, until...

45:23 We'll see how the Patriots do against the Colts this week.

45:27 I hope that I'm wrong.

45:29 I hope that they win.

45:30 And I hope that it's a fun game.

45:32 I hope that the Patriots are able to pull it off in a way that is convincing.

45:36 But we'll be breaking it down next week before we head into the bye week.

45:38 Alec, do you have any final thoughts?

45:41 No.

45:42 No, I don't.

45:43 I don't.

45:44 I don't.

45:45 All right.

45:46 Well, until next time, Alec, you have a good one.

45:49 See ya, buddy.

45:50 Later.

45:51 Later.

45:52 Later.

45:53 Later.

45:54 Later.

45:55 Later.

45:56 Later.

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