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00:00Yes, let's go to Rowe in the O.
00:03What up, Rowe?
00:04What are you doing?
00:06Is that my man Mark?
00:07Is that my man Dibbs?
00:08The best boys in town.
00:10Shout out to Kurt from the Hayward Hill.
00:13You know what?
00:14Your timing is great, Rowe.
00:15That's my man right there.
00:16Kurt is on suspension for the week,
00:18so you get to use that line just for this week.
00:21Yeah, I heard he kind of went off the rails a little bit on the last call.
00:25Yeah, he used to touch.
00:26He Draymonded a little bit, but anyway, it's all good.
00:29He Draymonded a little bit, but, you know,
00:31we got a real Kurt back in and give him another week or so.
00:34For sure.
00:34I wanted to touch on, first and foremost, I'm a long-time listener,
00:38first-time caller, got in quicker than what I thought I was,
00:42and this Rowe from the O, from Oakland, from the town, town business.
00:47I'm a diehard Warrior fan.
00:48I got on Warrior gear right now.
00:50I want to go check out Splash.
00:52I know I'm hearing y'all talk about it, so I want to check it out.
00:56Get the nachos.
00:57If you get to my point, it's a good look, huh?
01:00Get the chicken nachos.
01:02I hold the sour cream, but you do you.
01:05Okay, Ro?
01:07Yeah, I love sour cream, so I'm definitely going to do me.
01:10All right.
01:10But I want to talk about my man, man, Jimmy Buckets.
01:15Now, I know he didn't give us the game, or he's not giving us the game
01:20that we're looking for, that 20, 30 burger that he dropped in Miami,
01:24maybe Philly, you know, Minnesota.
01:27But we got a different type of team.
01:29And what we got to realize, he's changed our culture to some degree.
01:34He brought the toughness.
01:34He brought toughness.
01:35He brought confidence.
01:40And there you are.
01:44Hello?
01:44We lost you for a second, Ro.
01:46I got the word confidence, and then we lost you.
01:48But you're back.
01:49Go ahead.
01:50Keep cooking.
01:50Okay, and toughness.
01:53He brought toughness.
01:54Look at Pops.
01:55Look at what he's bringing out of, I'm so hyped, I can't even think of Moses Moody.
02:05We didn't have that before he came.
02:07And the difference, not Wiggins, he commands double teams.
02:11People live with Wiggins.
02:13If he had a good game, so be it.
02:15You know, that's more claps on steps.
02:17Now we got Jimmy to kind of somewhat help with that.
02:21So, you know, just be patient, you know.
02:23I feel like when those playoffs roll around, he don't show up.
02:27And, hey, I appreciate you guys.
02:29I'll have a good day.
02:31Ro, thanks, man.
02:31I appreciate your call.
02:33Even what he said at the end, and I know this isn't what he meant,
02:36but, like, this whole idea.
02:38Oh, when the playoffs come, Jimmy's going to show up.
02:43Jimmy's been showing up.
02:45He's been showing up.
02:46He's been awesome.
02:49Yeah, at Miami, he was awesome.
02:51But, see, why does your brain go there?
02:53I'm just trying to keep it a buck.
02:56But why would you look at someone who's been awesome 90% of the time,
03:00and your brain immediately goes, oh, yeah, remember that one game?
03:05No, why are we talking about it today?
03:06Why would you do that?
03:07Why are we talking about this today?
03:08We're talking about the future.
03:10But why are we talking about this today?
03:12It's because of what happened Sunday.
03:14No, it's not.
03:14That's why we're talking about it.
03:15I disagree.
03:16We didn't talk about this on Friday when they were coming off a win over Denver.
03:20It's been absolutely talked about.
03:21It was talked about when Steph had to miss two games,
03:24and everybody worried that Jimmy was not able to do it by himself,
03:28because we love it in the NBA when a player can do it by himself,
03:31and he can be that alpha, be that dog.
03:34Let's go, man.
03:35Let's see you shoot even when you're not supposed to shoot.
03:37Don't dare pass the ball when there's something good going on.
03:41Well, he shot it in those games, and they lost.
03:45Not all of them.
03:45Well, 15 shots against Miami, 12 against Atlanta, and 7 against Houston.
03:50And with no Steph Curry in two of those three games.
03:54Well, he had no Steph Curry on Sunday, ostensibly.
03:57I don't know why everybody has such a hard time processing this.
04:00If you get no Steph, you suck and you lose.
04:02Not always.
04:03Yes.
04:04It's untrue.
04:05You will go to the playoffs.
04:06It's patently untrue.
04:07It's not untrue.
04:08Well, these are not the playoffs.
04:09These are regular season games.
04:10That's what we're talking about.
04:11You all want playoff Jimmy.
04:12You want him to be someone different when we get to the playoffs.
04:16Like, you literally just said that.
04:17No, we don't want playoff Jimmy.
04:18That's what you've been saying.
04:18I want more assertive Jimmy.
04:20I don't want him to shoot the ball 25 times.
04:23This is assertive.
04:23And if you want to talk about playoff Jimmy,
04:25and you look at what he did last time he was in the playoffs,
04:28he was shooting it 25 times a game.
04:30It's a totally different team.
04:31We don't want that.
04:32Yeah, that's a totally different team.
04:32And that's what we talk about when we talk about playoff Jimmy.
04:35We've never seen playoff Jimmy on Golden State
04:38with a player like Steph Curry.
04:40Do you think he lacks assertiveness so far as a warrior?
04:43It's not about assertiveness.
04:44I look at last night, Sunday night rather,
04:47and to me, he lacked the ability or the desire or whatever he lacked.
04:52He lacked the scoring punch that they needed.
04:55And, yeah, you were able to get Buddy Heald, who had a good game,
05:00and Pods, he could shoot it.
05:01It was great.
05:02But beyond that, Steph was a non-factor.
05:05Draymond was terrible.
05:06And Jimmy Butler was not great.
05:08And that's where you bring in Jimmy Butler,
05:11and you brought him in to be that dude,
05:14and that's a game where you want him to be that guy.
05:16And he wasn't.
05:18And he wasn't.
05:19No, you brought him in to literally be exactly what he's been.
05:24Right.
05:25But in games like that, you want him to be something more.
05:29That's so difficult to point to, like, someone comes in,
05:35and they're effective 90% of the time,
05:39and then on a certain game they're not.
05:42Even if I meet you halfway, okay, he was terrible on Sunday.
05:46Can't believe the decisions he made.
05:47The idiot.
05:48He was just sitting back there doing nothing.
05:49Again, those are your words.
05:50Those are mine.
05:51I know.
05:51I'm being sarcastic, Dibs.
05:52But you're trying to put that in my court,
05:55and that's not what I've said at all.
05:56He did not like what his approach was.
05:58You said he looked passive.
06:00You said that he did not.
06:03Seemingly, you've compared him to Wiggins from an energetic standpoint.
06:07Yeah, he was mostly a non-factor.
06:09So you're going to pick on that game and say,
06:14we can't have that, Jimmy.
06:17We can't have that.
06:18And I'm just sitting here going, I don't understand.
06:21And what that's led to is a debate about whether or not he needs to be,
06:26and the words that keep coming, assertive and aggressive.
06:31It's like I just cannot for the life of me process how somebody would look at
06:37Jimmy Butler as a warrior and feel that he's lacking with those descriptive words.
06:43I just don't see it.
06:44That's what I'm describing one game.
06:46And, again, you're trying to make this about his entire warrior run,
06:49and that's not what I'm saying.
06:51But we're talking about the playoffs.
06:52Yes, we're talking about this performance.
06:55If he goes four for seven in a playoff game and Steph goes one for ten,
06:59you get swept.
07:00So if Steph goes one for ten and he goes 14 for 24, you might win.
07:07So if you're good players.
07:08Do you get that?
07:09Are you hearing me?
07:10Are you hearing me?
07:11I'm totally hearing you.
07:12Luka Doncic sucked a big one last Thursday.
07:15If Steph is terrible and Jimmy's also bad, you're going to lose.
07:18But if Steph is terrible and Jimmy is 14 for 24, you have a chance to win.
07:23That wasn't on the table.
07:25The Rockets' defense is not going to allow that.
07:28We don't know that.
07:28Well, yeah, we do.
07:29We know that he went four for seven with three assists.
07:32And by the way, guess what?
07:32If he goes 14 to 24, what happens to Pods and Buddy's numbers?
07:36They might go down a little bit.
07:38A little bit.
07:38They're in the toilet.
07:39Well, you might win the game.
07:40Then you probably won't, though.
07:41You probably do the exact same thing that you did anyway.
07:44You rely on Pods and Buddy to shoot the three because that's what you did.
07:49And they shot four times than Jimmy.
07:51And they did it well.
07:52And you lost by 10.
07:53Right.
07:53So, nice.
07:54Good on you.
07:55And Jimmy without Steph this year.
07:57What's their record when Jimmy plays and Steph doesn't?
07:59Not great.
08:000-2 is the answer.
08:02Yeah.
08:02So, and those are games where Jimmy was...
08:04That's not totally true because they beat Milwaukee without Steph and Jimmy played.
08:07Okay.
08:08So, one of two.
08:08They whipped Milwaukee's butt here at Chase Center the night after Jokic didn't play.
08:12Yeah.
08:12And you know what Jimmy did in that game, right?
08:15He shot 11 free throws.
08:16Great.
08:17How many points did he score?
08:18He was assertive.
08:18He had 24.
08:19Okay.
08:19He got to the foul line.
08:21He attacked the basket.
08:22They led that game throughout.
08:23He was assertive.
08:24They led the game throughout.
08:25And on Sunday, he was not.
08:26He was giving up the ball and we were kicking it out to a second-year guy.
08:30Milwaukee and Houston.
08:31And Buddy healed.
08:32Those are the same defensive teams.
08:33No, but all I'm saying is you look at what Jimmy Butler did.
08:37That's all I'm saying.
08:38It all sounds to me like a lack of faith in what he sees on the basketball court, which is crazy to me.
08:44You always had more faith in Jimmy Butler on the station than me from the start.
08:48That's not true.
08:49It's a fact.
08:49You and I sat there and did a show at Splash where both of us disagreed with the move.
08:53Well, we disagreed with the move, but I was more open to the idea.
08:56I disagreed with it based on what I thought was going to be.
08:59Okay.
09:00I mean, that's just patently not true.
09:02Laugh it off.
09:02That's patently not true.
09:04What did I say that day?
09:04You had more faith in him than anyone on this station?
09:06Why was I dismissive of the move that day?
09:09You tell me.
09:09Why were you dismissive?
09:10It was a contract.
09:11I was worried about Jimmy Butler not getting a contract and being disgruntled Jimmy.
09:16And when he got the deal, I thought, you know what?
09:19Great.
09:19He's got no reason to be the bad guy now because he got paid and he's out of Miami.
09:26I didn't think he'd be this good.
09:27I'm not going to pretend and say, yeah, I thought they'd go 20 and three with Jimmy and Steph.
09:31But once he got the deal, I was on board.
09:35I'm still curious about why the money seems to be a thing on your end.
09:40Well, the money's always a thing.
09:42Why?
09:43I mean, money makes the world go round, right?
09:46No, but that's...
09:46Why did Jimmy want out of Miami?
09:48Why?
09:49Because they didn't value him anymore.
09:50They didn't value him because he wasn't going to get an extension.
09:53Right.
09:53Money.
09:55Right.
09:55But that's what he's worth.
09:57That's what a good player in the NBA costs.
10:00Right.
10:00They didn't want to pay it anymore.
10:01So then what did Jimmy do?
10:03Jimmy went into full shutdown mode.
10:05Yeah, that's fine.
10:06So for me, I look at what Jimmy's done, and now he comes here, and now he's getting paid.
10:11And so to think about what he's getting paid, that for me is a big motivator as to why Jimmy
10:17Butler's now playing the way he's playing.
10:18But I've heard you a few times attach the salary to how he's supposed to play.
10:23Right.
10:23And I would argue that, first of all, A, that's just what they cost.
10:28So he's not supposed to have a different approach on the court based on his salary, I don't think.
10:33He's supposed to be the best he can be.
10:35And what he's been so far, I'd argue, is probably the most underpaid player in the NBA this year.
10:41Based on what he has done to the framework of the Western Conference for his salary, I could easily argue that.
10:50Yeah, I would say he's not even the most underpaid guy on his own team.
10:54Moses Moody making $5 million is more underpaid than Jimmy is.
10:58But Moses is not having an umbrella effect on the playoff chase.
11:02Jimmy Butler has walked in here, snapped his fingers, and completely changed the framework of the whole conference.
11:07Pods making $2.8 is wildly underpaid based on what he's contributing now as a starter.
11:12But you get what I'm saying.
11:13I get your point.
11:14Without Jimmy Butler, the Warriors are not even in this.
11:16Right, but you bring in a guy and you give him $51 million.
11:18The rest of those guys, we're all here.
11:20Right.
11:20When you give a player $51 million, you're expecting him to be him.
11:24You're expecting him to be Jimmy Butler.
11:27And he is.
11:27And he wasn't on Sunday.
11:28And that's all I'm saying.
11:30But again, we're talking about who you want him to be in the playoffs.
11:34And it sounds to me, and you've said you want him to be someone different.
11:38You'd like him to change on some level.
11:41Even if it's just tight and screws, you'd like him to approach that differently than what he has so far.
11:47No.
11:48And I don't really understand that.
11:49I want him to be the player that he has shown to be with Golden State at times.
11:54Not the player that he was on Sunday.
11:56And we could run through all the games where he's been that guy getting to the foul line.
12:01The reason why they're no longer last in free throw attempts is because of him.
12:05So that's who I want him to be.
12:06Right.
12:07And based on the officiating in that game, I don't think that was available.
12:11They didn't want to blow the whistle that night.
12:13You've been one of the first ones to say it.
12:14Yeah, either way.
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12:24All right, let's get back out to you.
12:26Mike in Hayward.
12:27Hi, Mike.
12:27Thanks for calling.
12:29How are you guys doing?
12:30You know, I would say that Jimmy Butler is who he is.
12:33And Miami was not loyal to him.
12:36He got him to the playoffs.
12:37He spoke out again.
12:38He got around when he deserves to get the money he's supposed to get.
12:43Okay.
12:43Ah, dang it.
12:46Mike, your phone.
12:48We'd love for you to call back.
12:49Give us a call back if you can.
12:50John Bloom, the voice of the Suns, in about 15 minutes.
12:53Let's go to Manly Man in the city.
12:55Hey, Manly Man, what's up?
12:57Hey.
12:58Oh, not a whole lot.
12:59Thanks for taking my call.
13:00Yeah.
13:01Yeah, Jimmy just has to attack the basketball so he can get to the free throw line.
13:05And that's how we benefit greatly.
13:08Secondly, I think we do a high double screens for Steph to get him open shots.
13:14That will help as well, too.
13:16Got to stop the turnovers.
13:17That's crazy.
13:19And there was a wrestling match on Sunday and not a basketball game.
13:23I could not believe the calls.
13:25And the flagrant one that Draymond got was unreal.
13:30So, and I don't know if you guys have been watching Willard and Dibbs.
13:34Kevon Looney, his feet, his heels, never touched the floor when he made those two threes.
13:40And tell me what you guys think about the turnovers and what it's going to take for them to win the next four games.
13:47Because I think that's key for the playoffs.
13:49Manly Man, thanks.
13:51I think turnovers are obviously always key.
13:54Jimmy Butler has come in and literally made that the focus of what he's trying to avoid.
14:00Out there on the floor, number one.
14:02I think that that's right in line with what Steve Kerr has been trying to get across to his team for years.
14:08Turnovers are a part of Steph Curry's game.
14:10Because he's so brilliant, you're able to get away with some.
14:13But there are clearly times where that's gotten frustrating for the organization as a whole at times.
14:19As the team has become a roster that's less overwhelming than it's been in the past.
14:25So I think Jimmy coming in has sort of renewed their focus on it.
14:29And they've done a good job.
14:30They did not on Sunday.
14:32And it's why they lost.
14:33Yeah.
14:34And it's not as much about the Houston defense.
14:36If you want to look at all 20 turnovers in that game, at least, I don't know about half of them,
14:41but at least 40% of them were just absolute slop.
14:45And it was Draymond with, you know, lazy, long passes.
14:49And I'm looking at some of the ones that Pods committed.
14:51Just a one-handed whip bounce pass.
14:54Listen, when you play against a good defensive team that's challenging everything,
14:57you can't be reckless with the ball.
14:59And, you know, you played the Jimmy comments earlier, and he pointed to that,
15:02the very thing about turnovers.
15:04And so if you are Jimmy Butler, a guy who's very Puritan with the ball,
15:09you're not going to give it away a lot, then go ahead and get on the ball more
15:13and run the offense through Jimmy.
15:15Doesn't mean he has to score, but if turnovers are an issue
15:18and Jimmy Butler doesn't turn it over, then go get the ball, Jimmy.
15:22I mean, I think that's largely what they do,
15:25especially when Steph is either not on the floor or is not hitting his stuff.
15:30This is the comment to which Dibbs is referring.
15:34Asked if he needed to be more aggressive with his shooting on Sunday.
15:39Maybe, maybe not.
15:41My thing is I'm going to make the right player majority of the time,
15:44probably like nine out of ten times.
15:46So if I get in there and draw help, I'm going to kick it to the open guy.
15:49But I'm not going to say that anybody scoring was the reason that we did not win this game.
15:56I'm going to stick to turnovers.
15:58We had 20 of them.
15:59It's going to be hard to win in any basketball game if we got 20 turnovers.
16:03I buy that answer.
16:04Good Lord, I buy that answer for whatever it's being offered for.
16:09I buy that answer.
16:11Maybe, maybe not.
16:13My thing is the right play.
16:15I do it 90% of the time.
16:17I like that he only said nine out of ten because even he's acknowledging,
16:21yeah, sometimes maybe you're going to drive in there
16:24and you probably should have shot it when you kicked it.
16:26I mean, that's hindsight's 20-20.
16:29But Jimmy Butler largely makes the right play.
16:32I completely, having watched him now play basketball with the Warriors for a couple of months,
16:36I wholeheartedly agree.
16:38I think he makes the right play.
16:40I hope he keeps making the right play.
16:42It's led to the Warriors winning almost every time he shoots up.
16:47I just don't have an issue there.
16:50There's plenty of things with Warrior basketball where we could come up with issues.
16:54Jimmy Butler's sort of conceptual approach for me is not one of them.
16:58I don't hate what he said, but he does say maybe, maybe not.
17:01And then he goes on to say that I try to make the right play,
17:04and I do 90% of the time.
17:05But sometimes it's okay to make what is not necessarily the right play
17:11in the interest of you trying to get to the foul line
17:14or you trying to pick up the scoring slack.
17:17And what he mentioned about 20 turnovers is right,
17:19and I'm looking at the game log.
17:21They are 0-6 this year when they turn it over 20 or more times.
17:26And I see five games where they turned it over 19 times,
17:30and they're 3-2 in those games.
17:32So 19 or more of the 20th turnover.
17:35Yeah, you're 3-8.
17:36Who got the 20th, do you know?
17:37Who got the last one?
17:39Because that's who lost the game.
17:41You know who it is, right?
17:42It wasn't Jimmy, was it?
17:43The chef!
17:44Yeah.
17:44The chef.
17:45Yeah.
17:46Down 11, two minutes to go, dribbled it off his leg.
17:49And I will say this.
17:49Oh, I remember that one.
17:51Yeah, and it was, you know, him trying to...
17:53Looked like a Houston Cougar out there.
17:54Well, kind of, except, you know, he didn't jump and then let the ball go.
18:00No, I think it was the previous possession where the cat dribbled it off of his shin.
18:03Great defense.
18:04The Florida guy got the hand in.
18:06Both teams played great defense last night, but my God.
18:09Yeah, pay the under, as I mentioned yesterday on the program.
18:12What was the number?
18:13It was 140.
18:15Oh, God.
18:16Yeah, not even close.
18:18Yeah, and that thing was Ottoman.
18:19But Steph, last night, four turnovers, and by the end of the game,
18:24like this one I'm talking about, the 20th turnover, part fatigue and part, like,
18:29I'm sick of, like, trying to get a three.
18:31I'm going to the basket, and he's dribbling it, and he just dribbles it off his leg.
18:35It was a tough one.
18:35He got harassed all night.
18:37It was a tough one.
18:38Nick in Pleasant Hill on Weatherton Dibs.
18:40Hi, Nick.
18:41What's going on?
18:44What's going on, guys?
18:45Can you hear me?
18:45We got you.
18:46So, I guess, I don't know.
18:50I feel like there's a double standard that Dibs runs for Steph Curry versus Jimmy Butler,
18:55first off.
18:57It's like, when we brought Jimmy in, we were, what, an 11 seed, 10 seed?
19:02And basically, we wouldn't be where we are right now if it wasn't for him.
19:07And when it comes to Steph having a bad night, we never say, oh, why hasn't he become him?
19:12Jimmy is supposed to step up when Steph's off.
19:14If the whole team's off, the whole team's off.
19:17So, I just don't see how Jimmy's supposed to be the one to step up when everything he's
19:21done so far is the reason why we are where we are.
19:25They both get paid.
19:26They're the top two paid players on the team.
19:29So, I just don't see why we always come at Jimmy, same way we used to always come at
19:35Kaminga.
19:35It just doesn't make sense to me.
19:38I can take the comments off the air.
19:40Thank you, guys.
19:40Yeah.
19:40Thanks.
19:41Appreciate it.
19:42I'll call him later after the show.
19:43Yeah.
19:44I'd love to talk to him.
19:45No, no, no.
19:45It is, it's sort of an interesting question from the perspective of, it somewhat sounds
19:53like the fans who are agreeing with you, you're only asking Jimmy to do this in select
19:59moments when Steph's not playing well.
20:02And it's like, it's not a switch that he can just flip.
20:05It's not, that's not, that's not how life works.
20:08You can't just be like, oh, chef's having a hard night.
20:12So, A, let's stop running the offense through him because he can't get it going.
20:17I'd argue no.
20:17You keep pushing on that as long as possible to see if he can hit one and get himself
20:21going.
20:22But, B, it's not like Jimmy can just decide, okay, all right, Steph's having a hard time
20:28out there.
20:29So, it's time for me to like activate, go find a phone booth, change outfits and come
20:34out and take over the game.
20:36I don't think it works that way.
20:38It doesn't.
20:39But I'm just looking for Jimmy to be the Jimmy that he's been throughout the majority of
20:43the Warrior games that he's played here where he shoots the ball between 12 and 15 times.
20:49He's more forceful and he gets to the foul line.
20:52And forget the fact that Steph was having a bad night, although you could see it at
20:56the half.
20:56When Steph is one for three at the half, you can kind of see that Houston is taking him
21:01completely out of the game no matter what.
21:04They're going to make sure that they top lock him and they take him away.
21:07So, come out in the third quarter and be more assertive.
21:09Let me ask you that.
21:10Let's say you were Steve Kerr and Steph Curry is one for three at half.
21:15What are you telling your team?
21:17I'm telling my team that Houston is obviously defending him in a way that he's going to have a
21:22really hard time.
21:23So, let's try to run other things, other actions for other people.
21:27Interesting.
21:28See, I would not say that at all.
21:30Knowing that Steph Curry is the type who can put up 30 points and a half.
21:33Right.
21:33Like, no.
21:35I'm not going to.
21:36So, let's just beat our head against the wall to try to free him against a defender who
21:41is face guarding him all over the floor.
21:43It's not beat our heads against the wall.
21:45It's make an adjustment to get our best player going.
21:48It's like.
21:49But what's the adjustment?
21:50Well, I don't know.
21:51That's what the professionals do very well.
21:53Steph has done this a million times in his career where you're not going well for a half
21:57and then you get it going.
21:59And I can't sit here and tell you what the X's and O's are of what they tried, but I
22:03know that my thought would not just be defeatist where I'm like, well, Steph's one for three,
22:08so that's the end of that.
22:09Let's do something completely different with different players.
22:12No.
22:12Like, I would be hell-bent on how can we unlock Steph as opposed to just, like, giving
22:19up and being like, well, we're not going to be able to get Steph going tonight, so we
22:23have to do this with someone else.
22:24Well, you can do both.
22:25You can try to unlock Steph while also, you know, encouraging your second best scorer to
22:31actually be forceful and impactful and try to score.