The big focus of this episode of Newstrack is on the Nagpur riots. An FIR filed in the Nagpur riots case revealed the chilling details of how a mob chanted Aurangzeb zindabad slogans and then the executed riots.
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00:00Chilling details of how a mob chanted Aurangzeb Zindabad slogans and then planned and executed
00:08a riot.
00:09These details have emerged from the first information report or FIR filed by the police
00:13at the Ganeshpet police station in Nagpur after the violence, arson, vandalism and the
00:18murderous assault on the police, including instances of molestation of police women on
00:25duty.
00:26And that's our topic for today.
00:35Female cops sexually assaulted, communal slurs hurled at cops, armed mob terrorized the
00:53area, shuttering probe details accessed.
01:09Was Nagpur violence planned?
01:16Riot conspiracy unravels.
01:19That is a big focus on the news track.
01:23During the course of the next half hour, I will quote from the first information report.
01:28Despite police warning, the mob armed themselves with dangerous weapons, including axes, stones,
01:35sticks and other lethal objects and terrorized the area.
01:40They deliberately tried to create communal tension and disrupt social harmony.
01:44That's the language of the FIR and that's not all.
01:46The FIR has fine chilling details of how a female police constable being assaulted and
01:52records that the mob touched her inappropriately, attempted to strip her uniform and hurled
02:00obscene comments.
02:02Female officers were also subjected to sexual harassment, obscene gestures and verbal abuse.
02:09And this is just one of the multiple FIRs that have been registered.
02:12I'm Gaurav Sawant.
02:13Let me get you these chilling details, but first, as always, let's get started with the
02:18headlines.
02:19Nagpur riots, mastermind arrested, minorities, Democratic Party leader Faheem Khan accused
02:29of spreading rumors and mobilizing the mob, eight Bajrang Dal workers surrender and granted
02:36bail.
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04:00comes under attack.
04:08Israeli airstrikes kill over 400 in Gaza.
04:10Benjamin Netanyahu wants Hamas says this is only the beginning.
04:15It's the largest strike since the ceasefire took effect in January.
04:24India today has accessed the first information report in the Nagpur riots case.
04:28This is an FIR registered at the Ganeshpet police station by a sub inspector who was
04:33on duty at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj statue at the Gandhi gate.
04:38This is where the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal were raising slogans demanding
04:43the removal of Aurangzeb's tomb and burnt his effigy in protest.
04:49Now Fahim Khan, Shamim Khan of the Minorities Democratic Party has been taken into custody
04:56for inciting a mob.
04:59Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis has gone on record to say there were no verses from
05:03the Holy Quran either in the effigy or the cloth that was burnt.
05:07A mob emerged chanting Aurangzeb Zindabad.
05:11But that is not all.
05:13The mob stands accused of molesting women police personnel on duty, targeting police
05:17personnel with the intention to kill.
05:22We get you more in this report.
05:30The man behind the violence fuelled night in Nagpur on March 17th unmasked.
05:36This is Fahim Khan, the alleged riots mastermind and a member of the Minorities Democratic
05:42Party in Nagpur, now in police custody.
05:47We have today accessed proof of how Fahim Khan instigated the mob just before the violence,
05:53stoking fire with rumours that a holy chadar was burnt by Hindus.
05:59Fahim claimed the police only acted against one community while shielding the other.
06:17Soon after, an angry mob turned up outside the police station in Nagpur, where Fahim
06:38allegedly asked his supporters to gather and protest.
06:46We have today accessed damning details in the FIRs filed by the police.
06:51Fahim Khan mobilised 50-60 people who were protesting outside the police station to demand
06:56action against the Bajrang Dal and VHP for allegedly burning the holy chadar.
07:02Not happy with the police response, Fahim asked the mob to gather and protest.
07:06Around 4pm on Monday, a crowd gathered around Shivaji Chowk, accusing police of backing
07:12the VHP at the Bajrang Dal.
07:14The FIR also says that sloganeering and a fake narrative led to the rioters attacking
07:18cops.
07:34Most shocking details of the rioters running amok has emerged.
07:38Women police personnel on the ground were targeted by the mob.
07:41The FIR says the rioters tried to molest a woman constable and even strip a woman cop.
07:47Obscene gestures were allegedly made at other female officers.
07:51Rioters allegedly hurled communal slurs at Hindu police officers, while some attempted
07:55to even kill police officers by throwing petrol bombs.
08:12The
08:37anti-terror squad is probing how the mob armed with sticks and stones was mobilised so quickly
08:43and how petrol bombs were used to target cop cars.
08:59The mastermind arrested, 50 rioters nabbed.
09:03Was the riot spontaneous or planned to perfection?
09:19The FIR says the mob began shouting provocative slogans and spreading false rumours.
09:24The mob said, we will show the police now, we will not spare them nor any Hindu.
09:32This is mentioned in the FIR.
09:35The mob was also chanting Aurangzeb Zindabad.
09:40Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis insists the guilty will not be spared even
09:44if the guilty have to be dug out of their grave.
09:47The RSS meanwhile has said Aurangzeb is not relevant.
09:51Is there a message for the BJP, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the Bajrang Dal here?
09:55Joining me on this India Today special broadcast is Anand Ranganathan, author and consulting
10:00editor of the Swarajya, Shoaib Jamai is the Delhi State President of the AIMIM, Sanju
10:05Verma is the National Spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party and Tehseen Poonawalla
10:09joins us as a political analyst on the broadcast.
10:12Anand Ranganathan, the FIR very clearly indicates or gives details of an anatomy of a riot,
10:22spread a rumour, gather a mob, target the police including women constables, systematically
10:28unleash unseen fear in the area.
10:32Anand.
10:33Good evening, Gaurav and good evening to my fellow panelists.
10:38It seems like deja vu.
10:40It seems like I have read such an FIR hundreds of times before, during the Delhi riot, during
10:46the Sambal riot, during so many other riots, but it has to be said, thank you for bringing
10:50this out in detail in public.
10:53The chilling details of Fahim Khan inciting the riots in Nagpur leave very little to imagination.
11:00But Gaurav, while it may come as news to many, as I said, it is not to me, because in being
11:05relieved that him being arrested, we are yet again, missing the woods for the trees.
11:10After all, I ask you, did Fahim incite riots in Kanpur over Nupur merely quoting the Hadiths?
11:17Was it Fahim who beheaded Kanhaiya Lal?
11:20Was it Fahim who led a bloodthirsty mob that killed Ankit in Delhi?
11:23Was it his roof that stocked acid bottles and stones and rocks?
11:28Was it Fahim who planned to assassinate Vishnu Jain during Sambal survey?
11:33Was it Fahim who attacked hundreds of Ram Navami processions, Durga Puja processions,
11:37Hanuman Jayanti Shobha Yatra, even Garbha celebrations with impunity?
11:41Was it Fahim who removed Bhagwa flags from temple in Mudavidri and replaced them with
11:47Islamic flags?
11:48Was it Fahim who replaced Ashok Chakra in the Indian flag with Islamic Kalma in Mehboob
11:51Nagar?
11:52Was it Fahim who stood for elections from Meerut offering 51 crores to anyone who beheaded
11:56Charlie Hebdo journalist?
11:58Was it Fahim Gaurav who screamed Ralif, Galif, Salif from mosques?
12:01Was it him who attended the funeral of Burhanwani of Yaqub Memon of Nasrallah?
12:06Gaurav, there is a parallel world that is inhabited by millions of Fahim Khans, a world
12:13where they are not bound by rules, morality, ethics, propriety, by which they want the
12:17rest of us to be bound by, because their morality, ethics, conduct is not dictated
12:22by man, but by God.
12:24Let us be under no illusion, the situation is intractable.
12:27It hasn't changed for a thousand years, why on earth would it change in ten?
12:31Remember, Islam transcends national boundaries, you are a Muslim over and above everything
12:35else.
12:36Aurangzeb would remain a hero for them, simply because he fulfilled the directives that every
12:40faithful is required to fulfill when it comes to non-believers and their culture and way
12:45of life.
12:46I wouldn't have believed some of what you say and especially Aurangzeb is a hero for
12:51anyone in India.
12:54I am surprised and I want our viewers to even listen to that mob that was chanting Aurangzeb
13:02Zindabad, or words to that effect, stay with me Anand, I want to bring in Shoaib Jamai,
13:07a mob caught on camera chanting Aurangzeb Zindabad, a cruel Mughal emperor who tortured
13:13and killed Chhatrapati Samaji Maharaj, who beheaded the 9th Sikh Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur,
13:18his disciples in the most cruel manner, Bhai Satidas, Bhai Matidas, Bhai Dayala, they were
13:24cut into two, burnt alive, boiled in oil, why?
13:29Because they didn't accept Islam.
13:31That man is a hero for even those who chant Aurangzeb Zindabad today, Shoaib Jamai, is
13:37that acceptable?
13:42Not supporting that chant, not supporting the violence, not supporting that praising
13:49of anybody who have nothing to do with the modern Muslim society of the India, but do
13:57you support?
13:58No, don't ask me what I support, just answer me this, you're not supporting, are you condemning?
14:05Is the Muslim society condemning it?
14:08Not supporting it is one part of the story, condemning it perhaps is equally important,
14:12sir.
14:13Who is actually the mastermind of this whole Nagpur riots should be investigated, who have
14:23burned the sacred chadar where the encryptions…
14:26Are you again spreading that rumour because the chief minister has gone on record and
14:29perhaps Sanju Verma will set the record straight as the BJP spokesperson on the broadcast,
14:34but the chief minister is saying there was no sacred chadar that was burnt.
14:38The chadar, these kind of chadar were sent by Prime Minister Modi to every shrine that
14:44green chadar was there.
14:45This is scary, please stop this, Maharashtra is my state, I will not take this bigoted
14:51guy spreading rumours.
14:52The thing is that…
14:53Okay, there is Tehseen Poonawalla who wants to come in, Mr Shoaib Jamai as does Sanju
14:58Verma.
14:59Okay, but wait, wait, two quick interventions if you permit, Shoaib Jamai, permit a quick
15:05intervention.
15:06Tehseen Poonawalla, why are you unhappy?
15:07I am going to castigate the BJP in this show, but this is dangerous what this man is doing.
15:16OAC sir did this in parliament.
15:19As far as we know, I also know the commissioner very well, what the chief minister said, there
15:23were no ayaats of the Quran as OAC said it.
15:25This is again trying to ignite my state.
15:27Please, viewers of India Today, these people are not on the streets, they are making the
15:32poor fight.
15:33Don't fall for this.
15:34Let the police investigate.
15:35If that's happened, we will go after them.
15:37Okay, Shoaib Jamai, you want to give an answer, Shoaib Jamai, you want to give an answer because
15:40Tehseen Poonawalla is also saying that there were no ayaats of the Quran in that chadar.
15:47The police are saying this, the chief minister is also saying this.
15:50I am not talking about ayaats, I am not talking about the Quran.
15:53So OAC was lying in parliament.
15:55But the chadar that is offered in the grave, is offered on the shrine of the Sufi saints,
16:01the picture of Mecca and Medina is made in green chadar.
16:05Similarly, the chadar of PM Modi...
16:07This is a lie.
16:08This is very dangerous.
16:09Nothing, there was no Mecca, Medina photo.
16:11I am not talking about ayaats.
16:12OAC is also, and OAC said there was ayaats on this.
16:15This is lying, they are lying on national TV.
16:17This will cause riots.
16:18This is an FIR that was done in Nagpur.
16:21And the question was that we keep talking about the Mughals.
16:24We always discuss about the Mughal in the television.
16:26Never a Muslim came into the street.
16:29Why this time?
16:30Because this is not about supporting the RNG.
16:33This is because religious tension was created there.
16:37You actually disturbed the communal harmony by showing that chadar
16:41and deliberately you have discredited it.
16:45And spread this rumor.
16:46Who spread it?
16:47There were no Muslims there.
16:49There were no Muslims there, you are saying.
16:52Sanju Verma...
16:53Sanju Verma...
16:54He was the mastermind.
16:55You call him the mastermind.
16:57You don't call him the mastermind.
16:59Faheem...
17:00Sanju Verma wants to respond.
17:02Go ahead, madam.
17:03Who is the mastermind now?
17:05I need my time.
17:07Go ahead, madam.
17:08Please.
17:09Only Sanju Verma, please.
17:10Mr. Shoaib Jamai, please listen.
17:12Go on.
17:14You know, Gaurav, first and foremost, let me not pussyfuck.
17:18Yes, law and order under the seventh schedule of the constitution is a state subject.
17:23But I think the Devendra Fadnavis government has handled the entire situation brilliantly
17:28with restraint as was the need of the hour.
17:31Things could have easily escalated into something far worse.
17:35But it was contained.
17:37Now coming to Faheem Shameem Khan.
17:40You know, let's be very, very clear.
17:43What I don't understand is this compulsion.
17:46Why is this fear?
17:47To name and shame.
17:49To call out the bluff of radical Islamist terror.
17:53You know, the dramatist person I have not changed.
17:57The modus operandi has not changed.
17:59Be it Sambhal, where Circle Officer Anuj Choudhury, he barely escaped death.
18:05He was shot at.
18:06Or for that matter, the Mao violence in Madhya Pradesh.
18:10Or for that matter, Niketan Kadam, the DCP of Nagpur,
18:16he was attacked by a violent radical Islamist mob with an axe.
18:20And he barely escaped.
18:22You look at the modus operandi.
18:24Earlier, they used to target civilians.
18:27Now along with civilians, these people have started targeting our police constabulary
18:32and our people in uniform.
18:34Point number one.
18:35Point number two.
18:36The name could be Faheem Khan.
18:38The name could be Akhtar, Abdul, Zakir, Afzal.
18:42The fact of the matter is that there is one community
18:45which is at the epicenter of violence.
18:47They are the perpetrators.
18:49They are the oppressors.
18:51On television debates, in television studios,
18:54look at their gall, look at their audacity.
18:57They come and pretend to be victims.
19:00First of all, you are not a victim.
19:02Second and most important thing is this, Gaurav.
19:05What I want to also, you know, speak about the Congress in this.
19:10Did you look at the statement of the Maharashtra Congress chief, Mr. Sakpal?
19:15He has actually supported.
19:18Can I please finish? I have already started.
19:20Can I please make my point? Then you can interrupt me.
19:22I did not have to tell you. Now please learn to listen.
19:24Learn to listen. You don't have to come to the TV debate and speak.
19:27I have already started. Thank you.
19:30Gaurav, the limited point.
19:32No, no, no, no, no.
19:35Please don't make those kitty party type remarks.
19:37No, no, no. Show him Jamai. Show him Jamai.
19:39No, no, no, no, no.
19:41Sir, unacceptable. Unacceptable, sir.
19:45You can do a monologue from your kitty party.
19:49I am sorry. I am sorry.
19:51That's a sexist statement.
19:53It's a disgusting statement to tell anybody.
19:55It's a sexist, disgusting statement.
19:57You can disagree with BJP. I do.
19:59I will be castigating them. Don't make these remarks.
20:01Have some gravitas and talk on national TV.
20:04Gaurav, I want to finish my point.
20:09Are you going to allow this?
20:11No, absolutely not.
20:13But there will be no sexist jibes.
20:15Show him Jamai.
20:17Can I please finish?
20:19You are not a person of Congress, nor anyone.
20:23Listen to me.
20:25These are not the streets of Nagpur.
20:29There will be no right on my show.
20:31There will be no right on my show.
20:34I am interrupted. Fine, let him speak.
20:37I will not do the debate if I am not given my time,
20:39which I think I deserve.
20:41I did not interject him.
20:43Go on, madam. Complete your point.
20:45Show him Jamai. Wait for two minutes.
20:47Ma'am, complete your point.
20:49Thank you, Gaurav.
20:51I don't care what Show him Jamai said.
20:53I don't need certificates about myself from him.
20:55Neither BJP, nor Sanju Verma need your certificates.
20:59So calm down.
21:01Don't embarrass yourself on national television.
21:03But the main point is this.
21:05You can also blame people like the Maharashtra Congress chief.
21:07There is no need to talk about that person.
21:10Because everybody knows that he is steeped in bigotry.
21:13He makes reckless and baseless statements.
21:15And then he says,
21:17I meant to say something else.
21:19The BJP took out something else.
21:21We will not talk about that person.
21:23But I want to ask the Maharashtra Congress chief.
21:25Why is it when Nitin Gadkari,
21:27why is it when Virendra Fadnavis is saying
21:29that let us maintain calm, peace and harmony.
21:31What is the need to make incendiary and provocative statements?
21:34And Gaurav, let me just finish very quickly.
21:36Do you remember in 2023,
21:38in the new violence in Haryana,
21:40people blamed Bittu Bajrangi.
21:42And who turned out to be the culprit?
21:44Maman Khan, a former congressman.
21:46In April 2022,
21:48Shobha Yatra when Ashok Gaynor
21:50was the chief minister.
21:52Karoli mein Shobha Yatra thi.
21:54Can I please finish?
21:56Now I am interrupting Sanju Verma.
21:58Give me a moment. Quickly complete your point,
22:00Show him Jamai, before I bring in Tehseen Poonawalla.
22:02Tehseen Poonawalla wants to comment.
22:04But Shobha Jamai, complete your point quickly, sir.
22:08Sanju Verma, please give me a minute.
22:10You have made your point, madam.
22:12Sir, complete your point.
22:14I will come back to you Sanju Verma for your next intervention.
22:16Shobha Jamai, complete your point.
22:18As the chief minister said,
22:20this was deliberate.
22:22This was deliberate
22:24because it was a deliberate attempt
22:26by the chief minister and BJP
22:28to cover up.
22:30Sir, complete your point.
22:32As soon as you get your audio,
22:34we will do it again.
22:36Is Abu Azmi in BJP?
22:38Tehseen Poonawalla?
22:40If somebody like Abu Azmi
22:42praises Aurangzeb
22:44and Imran Masood who praises Aurangzeb,
22:46are they in the BJP?
22:48I don't understand this.
22:50Also, I want to focus on the substantive point.
22:52The FIR has very chilling details
22:54of the assault that had taken place.
22:56The mob, says the FIR,
22:58attempted to strip
23:00her uniform,
23:02hurled obscene comments.
23:04Female officers were subjected
23:06to obscene gestures and verbal abuse.
23:08Is this what praising Aurangzeb
23:10or a riot is all about?
23:12Thank you for having me on the show, Gaurav.
23:14At the onset, whatever side of the divide we are,
23:16we all hope that the police officers
23:18who were injured recover soon,
23:20especially the DCP whose hand was cut.
23:22We all want peace to return.
23:24There are two aspects to this.
23:26What is being missed,
23:28as I castigate the BJP and take your viewers to the
23:30option, is in the last 9 days in Maharashtra,
23:32a cabinet minister
23:34has had to resign on murder charges.
23:36Ladki Bainade allocation has
23:38been reduced and there has been
23:408 farmer suicides
23:42per day as released by the
23:44union government in Maharashtra,
23:46which is the highest in the country.
23:48So somebody is benefiting from the diversion.
23:50But how did this diversion take place?
23:52So Fahim Khan, you are saying, is working for BJP?
23:54Abu Azmi is working for BJP?
23:56Imran Masood of the Congress party is working for the BJP?
23:58You are going to be stunned to know what happens.
24:00The day the cabinet minister has to resign,
24:02Abu Azmi comes up with this bigoted
24:04statement on Aurangzeb.
24:06Then let the opposition focus on the real issue.
24:08I want the opposition.
24:10I need to come in here.
24:12The scene is misleading your viewers.
24:14I need to come in here.
24:16I just make my point and the BJP can attack me or Anand can attack me.
24:18What's happened is,
24:20the actress,
24:22Abu Azmi,
24:24and then what Rane said and T Raja said,
24:26it went completely out of control.
24:28The question to ask out here is,
24:30this mob that went here,
24:32Sanjuji please,
24:34the mob that went here,
24:36had no leaders from the BJP,
24:38had no leaders from MIM,
24:40and today also OAC tried to stoke fires by saying there were
24:42verses from the Pak Quran Sharif,
24:44ayats from the Pak Quran Sharif.
24:46Nothing of this sort happened.
24:48The mob did go on a rampage.
24:50This is unacceptable.
24:52There has been intelligence failure.
24:54It's a pattern.
24:56But, it's been done by the ministers of the Maharashtra government.
24:58It's been done by these lowlifes like Abu Azmi.
25:00And this is done to help the government of Maharashtra.
25:02I am saying this on record.
25:04But you haven't criticized the mob.
25:06I am sorry.
25:08There are charges on the mob.
25:10There is a pattern.
25:12Sanju Verma,
25:14quickly respond to your point.
25:16Intelligence failure, operations failure,
25:18and now we are saying,
25:20we will take them out of their graves and punish them.
25:22But the police were caught napping,
25:24or at least caught flatfooted here.
25:26You know Gaurav, first and foremost,
25:28let's get one thing very clear,
25:30and this is with no offence to Tahseen.
25:32Tahseen sitting here and talking about
25:34the state of the economy of Maharashtra
25:36is such a shan.
25:38Karnataka Khata Khat model.
25:40You spoke about Lalki Ban Yojana.
25:42Tahseen, please learn to listen because you don't like being heckled.
25:44Khata Khat model of Karnataka
25:46has pushed Karnataka into the throes of bankruptcy.
25:48Khata Khat model of Congress in Himachal
25:50has pushed Himachal into the throes of bankruptcy.
25:52Khata Khat model of Congress in Telangana
25:54has pushed Telangana into the throes of bankruptcy.
25:56But Tahseen Poonawala sits here
25:58and gives lectures to the BJP
26:00on matters pertaining to governance in Maharashtra.
26:02Please keep your unsolicited advice to yourself.
26:04But the mood when Gaurav is this,
26:06and I repeat,
26:08why is it that Rahul Gandhi,
26:10why is it that Siddharth Mallya,
26:12why is it that he likes
26:14why is it that he likes Ashok Geylal,
26:16why is it that he likes Priyanka Bhadra
26:18who broke police barriers.
26:20I can fight.
26:22Why is it that this lot
26:24is not able to condemn
26:26Islamist terror for what it is?
26:28No violence.
26:30Who was involved? Maman Khan, a Congress MLA.
26:32Tahir Hussain was involved.
26:34He has now joined MIM.
26:36Shaheen Malraj was also involved.
26:38Who was involved in the Bengaluru March of 2020?
26:40Former Congress Mayor of Bengaluru,
26:42Sampat Raj.
26:44Who was involved in the 2022
26:46Shobha Yatra violence in Karolin, Rajasthan?
26:48Former Congress Councillor.
26:50But that's a fair point.
26:52That's a fair point, Tahseen Poonawalla.
26:54When she says,
26:56why are our political leaders,
26:58and especially in the opposition,
27:00completely silent when a radical Islamist mob
27:02comes out on the streets and targets security forces?
27:04I am saying this.
27:06Please put terror charges against them.
27:08But why aren't Congress leaders
27:10or BJP leaders or AIMIM leaders,
27:12why aren't they saying it?
27:14MIM is busy stoking fires.
27:16You saw what OAC said.
27:18Selectively, Congress is silent,
27:20Samajwadi Party is silent, RJD is silent,
27:22DMK is silent.
27:24So many of our Indian bloc parties are completely silent.
27:26Gaurav, I just have one point to make.
27:28Every single example that Sanjuji said,
27:30they are in the power of the union.
27:32Sir, you are not answering my question,
27:34which is very unfortunate.
27:36I am answering it.
27:38Should the Congress be condemning it?
27:40For the last 11 years,
27:42the government in the central state is feeling
27:44everywhere they have a double Indian Sarkar,
27:46there is violence.
27:48Please resign and somebody will run the country better than they can.
27:50They are doing this.
27:52I am telling you on record,
27:54Abu Azmi was involved with the BJP
27:56in making this happen.
27:58I want to bring Anand Ranganathan.
28:00Look at that.
28:02Everything except the radical Islamist mob
28:04that went on the rampage.
28:06Terror charges in Sambal.
28:08Terror charges in Anti-CIA.
28:10Anand Ranganathan.
28:12Anand Ranganathan.
28:14Anand Ranganathan.
28:16The FIR.
28:18I want to come back to the FIR
28:20because I want to stay with the story here.
28:22The FIR says,
28:24despite being instructed to maintain peace,
28:26the above mentioned individuals,
28:28and it has a long list of those who were there,
28:30gathered a crowd of
28:32500-600 Muslims
28:34at the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj statue
28:36Chowk around 4pm
28:38on March 17, 2025.
28:40It then goes on to say
28:42they resorted to violent action,
28:44blocking the police from performing their duties
28:46and inciting riots through
28:48social media.
28:50Is there an indication that this was
28:52spontaneous or very
28:54well orchestrated and
28:56intended to send out a message, Anand?
29:00It was absolutely orchestrated.
29:02It was pre-planned like the Delhi,
29:04Sambal and all other riots that we've seen.
29:06But here I want to come to the nub of the issue
29:08because I'm afraid that's been missed.
29:10Now Tahseen said, of course,
29:12if AIMM person provoked riots
29:14then he would be arrested.
29:16He would be put behind bars just to be done.
29:18Well, exactly the same thing happened in Karnataka
29:20if you remember in Hubli.
29:22And what happened? The Karnataka government withdrew the case.
29:24This is what happens because
29:26their excuse was, we were provoked.
29:28So please give me a minute.
29:30I want to destroy this trope once and for all.
29:32You know this thing, why provoke
29:34Muslims into rioting, burning
29:36vehicles, pelting stones, attacking cops?
29:38And here too, Hindus are being
29:40blamed for starting it by burning an effigy
29:42of Aurangzeb and allegedly
29:44burning a cloth with an embroidered verse.
29:46Well, should Hindus riot every time,
29:48Gaurav, when you burn Manusmriti?
29:50So stop blaming Hindus
29:52for saying they provoke Muslims.
29:54The essence of Azaan, which is, quote,
29:56there is no God but Allah
29:58and no one has the right to be worshipped but Allah
30:0040, 62, unquote.
30:02Amplified through the loudspeaker five times a day
30:04holy around near a temple is not provocative.
30:06But celebrating Ram Navami
30:08or singing Bajwan Ramcharitam
30:10one day in a year near a mosque
30:12on burning Aurangzeb's effigy is
30:14because the constitution allows
30:16rioting.
30:18And this is the same justification
30:20given every time they attack Hindus.
30:22This kind of narrative in the national channel,
30:24this is not provocative.
30:26Azaan has never been provocative.
30:28It has been.
30:30One by one, gentlemen.
30:32Only Anand Ranganathan.
30:34Gaurav, we have to accept
30:36what Ambedkar said, quote,
30:38Islam is a closed corporation.
30:40The brotherhood of Islam is not the universal
30:42brotherhood of man. For those who are
30:44outside the corporation, there is nothing but
30:46contempt and enmity. The allegiance of a
30:48Muslim does not rest on his domicile in the country
30:50to which it is, but on the fate to which
30:52he belongs. Islam can never allow
30:54a true Muslim to adopt India as his motherland
30:56and regard a Hindu as his kith and kin.
30:58Was Ambedkar Sanghi? Was he from
31:00the RSS?
31:02Okay, but I want to, I want to get both
31:04Tahseen to respond to it. And I want
31:06and only on this topic because I'm
31:08staying on this topic for now
31:10and no diversions and I want to bring in
31:12Mr. Shoaib Jamai also, but quickly
31:14you wanted to respond to the point where he's
31:16making. Look, if the mob is taking to
31:18the streets and if the mob is
31:20resorting to violence, you may say
31:23is mob
31:24hard action and
31:26there is a pattern of Delhi
31:28anti-CAA riots.
31:30Indian Muslims will lose their
31:32citizenship.
31:34Canard spread, rumours spread and we
31:36had riots in Delhi. Terror charges
31:38there also? I am very clear
31:40on any rioting.
31:42If I'm allowed to speak because I'm
31:44continuously being interrupted. I'll just take 45
31:46seconds. Terror charges
31:48on anyone doing anything
31:50that is picking up weapons that will
31:52hurt our police officers across riots. Number
31:54one. Number two, I just want to correct.
31:56Picking up weapons and targeting anybody.
31:58Nobody except security forces. Period.
32:00Let's be very clear about that. Nobody has a veto
32:02in this country except security forces.
32:04There are
32:06absolute hate speech charges
32:08on OAC right now for what he said.
32:10Well, hold on.
32:12No names of people who are not
32:14on the broadcast.
32:16Please allow me to. Yes.
32:18And I have to clarify one thing that my friend Anand
32:20said, which was not true in Hubli.
32:22Out of the 1500 cases, 30
32:24were withdrawn, 18 on Muslims,
32:2612 on Dalits. Those are fake charges.
32:28Everything else continues to stay. So that's
32:30the fact. You may fact check me on that.
32:32But I am very clear with
32:34an iron hand. Please tell me
32:36I am in a game where there is double
32:38engine ki Sarkar. Manipur, Delhi,
32:40Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra.
32:42Why is this happening? This is happening because you have
32:44an informed state government. Sanju Verma respond.
32:46Why is this happening in double engine Sarkar states?
32:48Everywhere.
32:50Sanju Verma.
32:52What does that mean?
32:54You know, taking off from what Anand Ranganathan
32:56said, Gaurav,
32:58let me make one thing very clear.
33:00There were 1600 cases
33:02that were filed pertaining to the
33:04riots in Shivamoga and Mysuru
33:06way back in 2012.
33:08The moment Siddharth Ramaiah came back to power,
33:10he first revoked
33:12all charges against PFI
33:14that was pertaining to the Shivamoga riots.
33:16Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Vandhra
33:18ne pauliyan bhajai. Well done Siddharth Ramaiah.
33:20The next thing Siddharth Ramaiah did
33:22was he revoked
33:24terror charges that were
33:26placed against 138
33:28PFI personnel pertaining to
33:30the Hooghly riots of 2022.
33:32Uske baag bhi Siddharth Ramaiah ko
33:34castigate karne ki bhajai, Rahul Gandhi
33:36Priyanka Vandhra said, well done Siddharth Ramaiah.
33:38So the limited point I am making
33:40is parties like the Congress,
33:42they are Muslim League 2.0, Rahul Gandhi
33:44is Jinnah 2.0 because
33:46they have normalized, they have
33:48rationalized radical Islamist
33:50terror. Be it Shivamoga,
33:52be it Aligarh riots, be it Muzaffarnagar
33:54riots, be it Vedan, be it
33:56Harshipura riots of 1987,
33:58the Bhagalpur riots of 1989,
34:00the Aadhar Mehta riots in Bombay
34:02of 2013. Congress has
34:04never called out the blast of
34:06radical Islamist terror and Asaduddin
34:08Ovesi is only an extension
34:10of the worst side of Congress.
34:12Shoaib Jamai, respond.
34:14Even if there is a rumor,
34:16even if there is a rumor,
34:18anyone who has an issue
34:20should approach courts of law,
34:22should go to the police, register
34:24an FIR. That has to
34:26be very clear. If there
34:28is a rumor and a right, the
34:30guilty irrespective of who they are
34:32must be punished. Whether it's anti-
34:34CIA riots in Delhi, Sambal
34:36or Nagpur.
34:38See, our party has
34:40made it very clear.
34:42Okay, only Shoaib Jamai. Go on, sir.
34:44See, our
34:46party has made it very clear that we did not
34:48support any kind of violence
34:50and we always stood
34:52for the peace. But the thing is,
34:54what the chief minister has said before,
34:56why does he still remember the grave?
34:58Does a statement like this
35:00suit a chief minister?
35:02Which
35:04dead body do you want to remove?
35:06Or whom do you want to cover
35:08for which you need to remove the grave?
35:10If you need someone's grave
35:12to make BJP's politics shine,
35:14then this is a shameful thing.
35:16Tell us your work.
35:18Why are people like Fahim Khan
35:20doing BJP's politics?
35:22See,
35:24please do not interrupt.
35:26No, no, I want to ask you.
35:28I want to ask you.
35:30If you want the time of MIM, don't interrupt.
35:32No, no, I'm not interrupting anybody
35:34I want all our guests to stay
35:36on facts. And my question
35:38to you, sir, is
35:40riots in Sambhal,
35:42riots at the time of CEA in Delhi,
35:44riots here,
35:46riots because of the spread of rumours.
35:48No one has the right to riots on the basis of rumours.
35:50When will people understand this?
35:52There is no right.
35:54But who is spreading riots here?
35:56Who is spreading riots?
35:58When will you start speaking
36:00against the BJP and Hindutva organization?
36:02When will you keep running one-sided narratives?
36:04How long will you keep demonizing
36:06the Muslim community?
36:08How long will you keep defaming?
36:10Listen, a police officer
36:12tried to take off his clothes.
36:14A police officer tried to take off his clothes.
36:16A police officer was molested.
36:18And here,
36:20listen, how long will you
36:22give cover fire?
36:24How long will you give cover fire
36:26to a radical Islamist, Shoaib Jamai?
36:28Listen,
36:30you cannot scare me
36:32on my broadcast, Shoaib Jamai.
36:34I am not scaring you.
36:36Once,
36:38the mob
36:40tried to take off
36:42a police officer's clothes.
36:44Why are you not able to speak against them?
36:46Why are you not able to speak?
36:48Why?
36:50Why?
36:56What a sad thing to say.
36:58I don't care
37:00what he calls me,
37:02as long as they follow
37:04the law of this land.
37:06If you live in this country,
37:08will you follow the laws of this country or not?
37:10That message has to be very clear.
37:12Anand,
37:14that message
37:16has to go out very clear.
37:18Clear.
37:26For heaven's sake.
37:28For heaven's sake.
37:38For heaven's sake.
37:48Anand Ranganathan.
37:50Anand Ranganathan.
37:52We must state facts.
37:54Raza Academy
37:56riots 2012.
37:58Again, policemen and mob police
38:00stood there in Mumbai.
38:02Raza Academy.
38:04There is a pattern, Anand Ranganathan.
38:06And how will you keep quiet?
38:08Someone has this green underwear,
38:10someone has this underwear, someone has that underwear.
38:12What kind of underwear
38:14do you wear or not?
38:16For heaven's sake.
38:18I want to bring in Anand Ranganathan.
38:20Anand,
38:22the tragedy in this country is
38:24the moment you call them out,
38:26the moment you call out those
38:28who will spread a rumour and then resort
38:30to riot, and there is a pattern,
38:32whether it's Delhi, anti-CIA riots
38:34in 2020, Sambhal,
38:36rumour of an excavation
38:38as an excuse to riot, and now Nagpur.
38:40This is a template, Anand.
38:42This is a template.
38:44Thank you for saying this, Gaurav.
38:46Okay, just get that man
38:48to be on mute
38:50while Mr. Ranganathan responds.
38:52Yes.
38:54Thank you for saying this, Gaurav, because
38:56I started by having
38:58that as a premise. It's all
39:00very well to catch one Fahim Khan,
39:02but as
39:04you know the facts of this case, of the
39:06FIR, he was the one
39:08who spread this fake news, but
39:10there are tens of thousands of others
39:12who accepted it,
39:14and as a word of, you know,
39:16I don't know, God sent or something,
39:18and it was not Fahim Khan
39:20who actually was throwing stones,
39:22who was trying to molest the police officer.
39:24It were the other people
39:26who believed him. It were the other
39:28Fahim Khans. How many will you arrest?
39:30Something has to be done.
39:32I mean, this situation is going down
39:34the back bottom of the
39:36abyss at breakneck speed,
39:38and although I am heartened
39:40by the kind of good comments,
39:42right comments that Tahseen has made,
39:44even he would accept
39:46that it's not just a battle of
39:48dealing with one Fahim Khan.
39:50There are hundreds of thousands of Fahim
39:52Khans, and unless we go to the nub of the
39:54issue that our politicians don't have
39:56the courage to anymore, I'm afraid
39:58this situation, as I said, is intractable.
40:00And Tahseen,
40:02which is where we need
40:04educated Muslims to come
40:06forward. We need educated
40:08Indians to come forward
40:10and send across this message that
40:12you can't get offended by
40:14anything that's happening. If you are
40:16offended, then please go to a
40:18police station. Please go to courts
40:20of law in India.
40:22India will be governed by
40:24the law of this land. This
40:26message has to go across.
40:28Absolutely. If I can just take
40:3030 seconds and to reach out to our fellow
40:32citizens, a movie cannot
40:34offend you. If you don't like a movie,
40:36walk out of the theatre. You don't like this
40:38show, change the channel. You don't like a book,
40:40write another book or shut the book. You don't
40:42have a right to burn things down and fight
40:44over that. That's point number one. If rumours
40:46affect you, stop listening to rumours, either
40:48side of it. Remember, none of the politicians,
40:50their kids on either side were involved in
40:52this. It's only the poor and the middle class who
40:54suffer in these riots. Stop doing
40:56this. Nobody cares about
40:58these issues. Only the politicians are benefiting
41:00from it. Think about your family
41:02and the future of India. If you think about 400 years
41:04from now about India, not going to 400
41:06years in the past. Stop glorifying the Aurangzeb's
41:08of this world for heaven's sake. Aurangzeb was a
41:10figure of hate, starting from
41:12that actress to Abu Azmi to everybody.
41:14Aurangzeb is not an issue.
41:16Real Indians are committing suicide right now.
41:18Sanju Verma wants to come in,
41:20Anand Ranganathan wants to come in and I hope
41:22Shoaib Jamai has something sensible to say
41:24but go on Anand Ranganathan.
41:26Yes, no, you know, that is why one of the
41:28reasons why I adore Tahseen is
41:30he says the most un-Congress like
41:32things and gets away with it. Every
41:34single thing, sensible statement that he
41:36has made has been overturned
41:38by the Congress. Who banned
41:40Satanic Verses? Who banned all those films
41:42for the risk of offending the other community?
41:44Who cried at Batla Encounter?
41:46Who was the one who said all these things are fake?
41:48Who banned Danish cartoons? The fact of the
41:50matter is, Gaurav, unless
41:52you remember what has happened, the
41:54Congress government in Karnataka withdrew
41:56the cases of the AIMIM
41:58legislator who righted the
42:00DMK, ally of Congress
42:02gave bail to the Congress
42:04Can I come in please? Yes, I want you to come in
42:06I want you to come in but I also want to bring
42:08Shoaib Jamai, hopefully
42:10I don't want to give BJP time to speak
42:12Hold on, hold on, hold on
42:14You only allow the political analysts to come in
42:16Hold on, hold on, hold on
42:18Hold on, permit me
42:20to conduct this debate
42:22Permit me to conduct this debate please
42:24I want to bring in Shoaib Jamai
42:26Yes, give me a moment
42:28Shoaib Jamai, how does one get
42:30this message across? There can
42:32be no justification
42:34for a right. If you live in
42:36this land, live by the laws
42:38of this land. You have a
42:40grievance, genuine, rumour,
42:42anything. Approach courts of
42:44law, approach the police
42:48The most sensible thing to do
42:50to stop this kind of hatred is to
42:52stop those shops
42:54of the media who run
42:56Come on, come on
42:58Tahseen, you know
43:00the tragedy with people like Shoaib Jamai
43:02that's the tragedy. You want to
43:04shoot the messenger who will
43:06expose. I am sorry
43:08we are exposing
43:10we are exposing and I am glad you are here
43:12so that people get exposed
43:14that these are the elements who
43:16will shoot the messenger and not
43:18read the message. Tahseen, not
43:20once will he read the message
43:22I also want to bring in Sanju
43:24Sanju Varma
43:26that is the real problem
43:28people end up shooting the messenger and not
43:30reading the message
43:32You know Gaurav
43:34Only Sanju Varma
43:36I don't understand
43:38I will come to you when you have something sensible
43:40to say Shoaib Jamai because this is an
43:42educated debate that we are having
43:44Tahseen Poonawalla is here but go on
43:46Sanju Varma, complete your point
43:48Thank you Gaurav. Thanks for
43:50the fact that I can see only you and me
43:52on both sides of the screen because I think I deserve
43:54to have an uninterrupted scene
43:56Gaurav, the muck of the issue is this
43:58I have been hearing people saying
44:00our politicians are not able to take tough
44:02decisions. Our politicians
44:04are politicizing the entire issue
44:06No. The problem does not
44:08lie with politicians alone. I think
44:10the biggest problem is
44:12we were all taught wrong history
44:14by the likes of Ramchandra Guha
44:16Ramesh Basha
44:18Let's stay on the subject
44:20Without names for now
44:22Go on
44:24Gaurav, my limited point is this
44:26You look at the history of the last
44:287 on decades. I always say have a sense
44:30of proportion. You know sitting here
44:32and giving bhaashan to the BJP might get you
44:34brownie points but that's not the nub of the issue
44:36Hashimpura riots 1987
44:38Bhagalpur riots 1989
44:40Aligarh riots 2006
44:42Dhule riots 2008
44:44Degangarh riots 2010
44:46Bharatpur riots 2011
44:48Koparjhar riots 2012
44:50Khawaj Megan riots 2012
44:52Muzaffarnagar riots 2013
44:54Malta riots 2016
44:56Madhya Pradesh riots 2017
44:58Asansol riots 2018
45:00Shaheen Bagh riots 2020
45:02Bengalpur riots 2020
45:04Who is the perpetrator, Gaurav?
45:06The perpetrator is the BJP
45:08Post 2014 it is your government
45:10Post 2014 it is your government
45:12Sincerely hope
45:14Islamist terror needs to be called out
45:16Without any ifs or buts
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