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00:00Hello and welcome to Thursday's programme. On the 11th of May 2022 pizza chef Carlo Giannini
00:09was attacked and killed in a park in Sheffield. Carlo's murder has really affected his family.
00:17It has been a devastating time for them and they are left wanting for answers.
00:25Can you help police find out who did this?
00:54Hello and welcome. Thank you for joining us today where we are live once again from
00:58our studio in Cardiff. We've got another packed programme. Do stay with us.
01:03Do you recognise this man? Police want to talk to him about an alleged rape against
01:07a vulnerable woman in Enfield last October.
01:11Plus we'll be talking to Fred Siriax and the boss of a charity that aims to skill up inmates
01:16so they stand a better chance of staying away from crime when they leave prison.
01:22Sixty to 70% of our learners are getting into work upon release. That motivates me
01:27and my team. They've paid the price of coming to prison but they're actually trying to do
01:34better.
01:35And we're joined by ex-police officer Paul Cashmore who you may recognise from Channel
01:414's Hunted as he opens up about dealing with trauma.
01:46Our team are waiting to take your calls so if you have any information please do get
01:50in touch. You can scan our QR code with your phone's camera. That will take you straight
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02:09Or email us at cwl at bbc.co.uk.
02:15First this morning, can you help understand what happened to a man whose life was cut
02:19short after he was attacked in a park leaving his family devastated. As you can imagine
02:24this has some strong scenes.
02:29Carlo and his family are originally from Italy. Carlo was a very lovable, friendly man. He
02:35would literally do anything for anybody.
02:40Carlo Giannini came to Britain when he was 29 years old. For three years he lived and
02:46worked in Sheffield until spending lockdown with family in Germany. In 2022 he returned
02:53to Yorkshire.
02:54He ended up coming back after a local company headhunted him to be their pizza chef. He
03:01was really talented. He was a bit of a family man so he still spoke to his mum quite frequently
03:08in Italy, spoke to his family that was in Germany. So they did have quite a lot of communication
03:12with him even though he was so far away.
03:16On the 11th of May 2022, Carlo finished his shift at the Sheffield pizzeria where he was
03:22now working and was given a lift home by a colleague.
03:28Everything was normal. He didn't voice any concerns about any worries or anything that
03:32may happen that evening.
03:35Later on that night, Carlo was seen several times on CCTV walking towards his local park,
03:42Cannafields Park, in East Sheffield.
03:45But detectives don't know exactly where he went or who he may have met.
03:51Carlo did live relatively close to the park so it's not unusual for him to be walking
03:56in that area and it's not unusual for him to be using that park. We know that he did
04:01come from the direction of his home address onto City Road and walked towards a select
04:06safe shop.
04:13Shortly after 1.15am, Carlo was seen on CCTV entering the park.
04:24And that is the last official sighting that we have of Carlo.
04:42The following morning, shortly after 5am, a member of the public discovered his body.
05:13Officers attended the scene and Carlo, unfortunately, had died of a single stab wound to the chest
05:22and was lying on one of the main pathways through Manorfields Park.
05:35South Yorkshire Police have painstakingly reviewed over 6,000 hours of CCTV footage
05:41looking for clues as to who else was in the park that night.
05:45Unfortunately, none of this CCTV gave us any evidence to take the investigation forward.
05:52Even now, we still have had limited people come forward.
05:59We've got Carlo going into the park shortly after 1.15am and he's found at 5am.
06:06What happens between those two times is really unclear.
06:11To date, we have never identified any offenders for the offence and we haven't recovered the murder weapon.
06:24There are a couple of people who we are yet to identify.
06:29They may hold information which is key for the investigation and finding out who did this to Carlo.
06:37So I do believe that there will be somebody in the community that does know something
06:42about what happened in the early hours of the 12th of May.
06:46If anybody does have any information, no matter how small, it might be a key part of the jigsaw
06:51that moves our investigation forwards and may lead us to identifying the offenders.
06:58Carlo's murder has really affected his family.
07:01It has been a devastating time for them and they are left wanting for answers
07:07as to what happened to Carlo and why he was killed.
07:16Carlo's family really are searching for some closure.
07:19I'm joined now by DCI Becky Hodgman who you saw in the film there from South Yorkshire Police.
07:24Thanks so much for being with us today.
07:26I mean in this case it really is a mystery isn't it Becky?
07:29Can you just remind us of exactly what happened?
07:34No problem. So Carlo was working in a local pizza shop on the 11th of May 2022.
07:41He was given a lift home by a colleague following his shift.
07:45We believe from CCTV footage he went out during that evening between his home address
07:51and the local park, Manorfields Park.
07:54The last sighting we have of Carlo is at approximately 18 minutes past one
07:58in the early hours of the 12th of May 2022 when he is seen entering the Manorfields Park.
08:05We don't know what happened between that time and between 5am that morning of the 12th
08:12when he was found lying on a path with a single stab wound to his chest
08:16and unfortunately he passed away.
08:19It is devastating isn't it Becky?
08:21Well Carlo's family they live in Italy don't they but they actually sent us this statement
08:25which I can read now last week.
08:27It says May the 12th is a date that has forever marked our lives.
08:31Three years have passed but the pain is the same.
08:34Indeed the absence of Carlo is increasingly painful.
08:37Carlo has a family that loves him, loved him and will love him for as long as we live.
08:42If anyone has seen or knows something they should put their hand on their conscience
08:47and speak up.
08:49Some really powerful words there Becky.
08:51And there was no obvious motive for this attack was there?
08:56No, despite the investigation going on for nearly three years now
08:59we still don't have a clear motive for why this happened.
09:02It appears to be a completely random attack which makes it even more vital
09:06that we find who's responsible for this.
09:09Absolutely. Now the parking question, it's a huge park.
09:12It has multiple entrances and exits doesn't it?
09:16Yes, as you can see from the map it's a large park.
09:19It's in the middle of a residential area.
09:21There are over 17 official entrances and exits to that park
09:25along with other routes that have been made through people's back gardens for example.
09:30So it is a huge area.
09:32We have had hundreds of hours worth of CCTV recovered which we've gone through
09:38but unfortunately it just hasn't provided that bit of evidence that we require.
09:43But through the extensive research that you and the team have done
09:46you've found a number of witnesses that you're really keen to speak to.
09:50In fact we've got some images of them now that we can have a look at haven't we?
09:55Yes, so the images that are shown on screen, these are people that are seen
09:59around the park between 18 minutes past one in the morning and 5am.
10:05They are people that we haven't identified yet.
10:07We're really keen to find out who they are so that we can speak to them
10:10to see if they've got any information that may help with this investigation.
10:15And Becky, for our viewers that are watching this morning, how can they help?
10:19What other information do you need?
10:22As I've said, we're nearly three years into this investigation now
10:25and I still believe that there is a member of the public
10:27that has got a key bit of information no matter how small
10:32that is just the missing piece to this puzzle to try and move the investigation forward
10:38and identify who's responsible for Carlo's murder.
10:41So what I would plea is just think if this is a member of your family
10:45or one of your loved ones you'd want someone to come forward
10:48so please any little bit of information no matter how small
10:52we'd just like to hear from you.
10:54Becky, thanks so much for joining us today and telling us more.
10:58So if you do know anything about Carlo's death at all
11:01please do call us the number 08000 468 999.
11:07Later we'll be hearing how the escalating violence of a gang of armed robbers
11:13was finally put to a stop.
11:16These were horrendous crimes that left people absolutely traumatised.
11:21This was an incredibly dangerous gang that needed to be stopped.
11:28I'm now joined by DS Penby-Raeff from the Met Police
11:31who's a familiar face to us here on the programme
11:34but sadly she is back with us looking for a suspect
11:37wanted in connection with the rape of a vulnerable woman in Enfield.
11:41Penby, thanks for coming in today.
11:43What can you tell us about this horrendous sounding crime?
11:45So this incident took place on Friday the 18th of October 2024
11:50Enfield area around 3.30 in the afternoon.
11:53The victim who's a 24 year old female
11:56considered extremely vulnerable due to her mental health
11:59was known to be wandering the streets that day and the previous day
12:02and she's clearly visibly very unwell as members of the public were trying to help her.
12:07So on that occasion she was walking along the street
12:10when the suspect has approached her.
12:12He was cycling on a bike with no seat.
12:14He's then led her to a block of flats close by
12:17and it was here that he's then gone on to rape her.
12:20After the assault members of the public have then come to her aid again
12:24and she ended up going to hospital.
12:26Absolutely horrendous.
12:27Well let's take a closer look at where this took place.
12:30As you say this is Enfield, this is North London
12:32and this particular area here.
12:34Just talk us through this Penby.
12:36So the victim has walked from Wharf Road over Ponder's End Bridge
12:39where the train station is onto South Street
12:41turned right onto Scotland Green Road
12:43and it was here that the suspect has approached her.
12:46He's then led her into a squat within a block of flats close by
12:50left her for a short period
12:52and then when he returned he has then proceeded to rape her.
12:56After the rape he has then walked her back along Scotland Green Road
12:59to the junction of South Street where he's left her
13:02and again members of the public have called an ambulance for her
13:05because she was clearly very distressed.
13:07Absolutely horrific.
13:08We're actually in an image we can see now of the flats
13:11we've just highlighted in the bottom right.
13:13This is the one where the incident took place.
13:16Now as part of this investigation you've got some CCTV
13:18which we're going to see now.
13:20Just talk us through what we can see here Penby
13:22talking with what's on the bottom left of the screen.
13:24So the victim is on the bottom left.
13:26It's now 3.15 and this was just before the victim was approached by the suspect.
13:31Now when the suspect left the victim in the squat
13:33he cycled to Greggs which is on South Street close by.
13:36It's only two minutes away.
13:38He then goes into Greggs and we get a really clear image of the suspect here
13:42where he goes inside and steals some items.
13:45And this is what we can see here.
13:47So he's gone straight inside the bakery on that bike with no saddle
13:49and he goes straight up to the fridge
13:51and he selects some items we can see here.
13:54And after selecting these items he just makes his way out, does he Penby?
13:59He does. So this is now 3.37.
14:02He's left her in the squat, he's gone to Greggs and then gone into...
14:05So he's just taken those items and walked straight out.
14:07But what it does give us, as you say, a really clear image of him
14:10and this is what we've got here from inside that bakery.
14:12So just talk us through the description that we have of this man that we need to find.
14:17So he's described as late 40s, dark hair, dark eyes, thin lips and deep wrinkles.
14:22He is possibly of a Turkish or Arabic background
14:26and he was speaking in a foreign language.
14:28Very short in height, wearing a black zip fleece with white writing on the front
14:33and notably, as we mentioned before, he was cycling on a bike with no seat.
14:38Police do believe him to be local
14:40and he may well have been living in the squat at the time.
14:43Well, clearly the person responsible for this offence does need to be found.
14:47How can the public help you today?
14:49I'm appealing to your viewers, as always, to cast their minds back to 18th October 24.
14:54We know he was in Greggs at 3.37 on South Street.
14:58Did you see him then?
15:00Is he someone you've seen in the area cycling around on a bike with no seat?
15:04He's quite distinctive. He's very small.
15:06You may have encountered him just through being in the area.
15:10Anyone who believes they know him, he may live in the squat.
15:13Just come forward. Any information we'd welcome.
15:15You need that information, Pembe. Thank you.
15:17Well, as expected, it has had a huge impact on the victim
15:21who has said to us that she actually feels scared of men after this.
15:25And she says,
15:27It's turned into a physical anxiety that gets triggered whenever men are in front of me.
15:31I haven't been able to do things I usually enjoy, like reading a book or studying.
15:36I get frustrated with myself because I feel like I should be better.
15:44Then I get depressed again.
15:47I mean, it's just so sad hearing such powerful words there, Pembe.
15:50But if anyone else is out there and they are suffering from an equally horrific crime like this,
15:57what advice have you got for them?
15:59Firstly, I'd like to say any victim of this type of crime,
16:02I'd like them to know that it's not their fault.
16:05And please don't be afraid to come forward and speak to the police
16:08or any professionals that can help you.
16:11Ultimately, if you do go to the police,
16:14you will be assigned your specialist officers who will see you
16:17and support you throughout the duration of the investigation.
16:20But you can also go to sexual assault referral clinics.
16:23They're dotted around the country.
16:25You can find a list of them on the NHS website.
16:27And what they'll do is they'll forensically and medically examine you.
16:31They'll also support you with your mental health,
16:33as they're a really good place to go if you are this type of victim.
16:38Also, a number of charities go online.
16:41There's a list of them there.
16:43But if you are comfortable to speak to the police, call 101.
16:47Go to your GP if need be or A&E.
16:50But help is out there and please don't feel afraid to come forward.
16:53I think that is so important to know that that help is out there
16:56and those referral centres you can self-refer.
16:59You don't even need to go to the police.
17:00And a lot of people might not be aware of that, Pembe.
17:02Thank you so much for that advice.
17:04Have another look at this image, though.
17:06If you recognise this man, do get in touch.
17:09Any information could be vital, so please do share it.
17:13All of our contact details are on the screen right down by the clock.
17:18Now, armed robbers who left their victims traumatised
17:22and sometimes injured on a crime spree that terrorised the Midlands.
17:27These were horrendous crimes that left people absolutely traumatised.
17:32Open the safe.
17:33It was a reign of terror.
17:35I'm going to shoot you.
17:37This was an incredibly dangerous gang that needed to be stopped.
17:49In August 2019, at Twin Lakes theme park in Leicestershire,
17:53a security guard was on duty.
17:57GUNSHOT
18:02He was approached by three males who opened the car door.
18:06Get out of the car!
18:08Got him out of the vehicle.
18:11They tied him to the steering wheel
18:14and he was held hostage at knife point.
18:17Where is the safe key?
18:18The men demanded keys to the safe
18:20and then stole four shotguns and an ammunition belt,
18:23which were kept at the premises.
18:25The security guard thought that he was going to die that night.
18:29He was absolutely petrified.
18:31The gang fled.
18:33Their identity a mystery.
18:43A month later, 40 miles away in Stretton, Staffordshire,
18:47postmaster Muhammad Ali was locking up for the evening.
18:52We did our usual close down.
18:54We did the cash up, closed all the tills and locked the safe.
19:02Muhammad joined his family in their flat upstairs and went to bed.
19:10At around 4am, he was woken by footsteps.
19:15Came out of my bed and there were three people.
19:19Standing next to my room.
19:23I instantly, I just grabbed the person who was right in front of me.
19:30I could see that crowbar in his hand.
19:34Fearing for the safety of his family,
19:37Muhammad grabbed the crowbar and pushed the man over the banisters.
19:43Awoken by the struggle, his wife and children came out on top.
19:50My daughter started screaming, what's happening? What's happening?
19:54It was then that Muhammad saw one of the men was wielding a shotgun.
19:59A struggle ensued and the gun went off.
20:05The bullet went straight underneath my arm,
20:08half onto the radiator and half onto the wall.
20:14They took us into our bedroom
20:16and then they made us sit down on the carpet
20:20and then they tied us with the duct tape.
20:28My kids and my wife were very, very scared obviously.
20:35Then the gang took Muhammad downstairs to the post office
20:38where they raided the cash machine and took more than £7,500.
20:47Staffordshire Police launched an investigation.
20:51Three months later, they began a string of ten more similar robberies
20:55in shops, post offices, homes and pubs across the Midlands.
21:01They were approaching vulnerable people who were absolutely terrified.
21:07The gang had threatened other post office members
21:10to have their teeth pulled out and have their premises searched.
21:14Grainy CCTV images of the robbers matched the descriptions of the men
21:19who attacked Muhammad Ali's post office in Stretton.
21:23Detectives also noticed that one of the gang
21:25wore a distinctive ammunition belt.
21:29And one of the prominent places that stuck out
21:31was the theme park in Leicestershire
21:33where shotguns had been stolen
21:35and also an ammunition belt had been stolen
21:38and that's where our first link came from
21:40to then build up an investigation with Derbyshire and Leicestershire Police.
21:48Suspecting that the same gang had carried out all the robberies,
21:52detectives then had a breakthrough.
21:57A car was spotted fleeing the scene of an armed robbery
22:00in Overseel in Derbyshire.
22:05Five days later, another one was found.
22:08Five days later, another was found burnt out
22:11in the Staffordshire village of Hickson.
22:14When police ran checks,
22:15they found both vehicles were registered to the same man, Ben Hughes.
22:21He was a career criminal with offences spanning back some number of years
22:25and he'd recently been released from prison.
22:29Then, on the 30th of January,
22:31a car with suspected false number plates was spotted in South Derbyshire
22:35and intelligence suggested Ben Hughes was behind the wheel.
22:40Police attempted to stop the car.
22:43He was pursued at speeds of around 70 miles an hour
22:47in a 30-mile-an-hour village.
22:50But when the car left the road and got stuck in a field,
22:53police were able to arrest Ben Hughes, face down in the mud.
22:59I'm going to use you out like a napkin,
23:01because you've got oil on your face.
23:05Hughes was taken into custody
23:07and when police analysed his phone,
23:09they found evidence linking two other men to the robberies,
23:12Jamil Marsh and Antonio Olivieri.
23:17When forensic teams compared their DNA
23:19to samples found at some of the crime scenes, they matched.
23:24Jamil Marsh and Antonio Olivieri were also arrested.
23:29As detectives continued to gather evidence,
23:32a member of the public made a key discovery
23:34at a pond near Jamil Marsh's home.
23:40A person was cleaning out the pond
23:42and recovered a bundle which contained two sawn-off shotguns.
23:51Those sawn-off shotguns were quite unique.
23:55They were formally then identified
23:57as belonging to the theme park at Twin Lakes.
24:02The bundle also contained clothing
24:04that we formally identified as belonging to Jamil Marsh.
24:08Police had enough evidence to charge their suspects
24:11with 26 offences carried out over an eight-month period.
24:17Olivieri was sentenced to 16 years and seven months,
24:22Jamil Marsh, 18 years,
24:24and Ben Hughes got 21 years.
24:29It was absolutely phenomenal to receive those sentences,
24:33not only for the investigation that we'd put in
24:35between the two forces, but also for our victims
24:39because these were horrendous crimes
24:42that had left people absolutely terrified and traumatised.
24:48My wife and daughter, they don't sleep very well.
24:51They are very cautious of everything.
24:55Now we have to keep the lights on while we are asleep.
25:00The police who investigated this, they did a very excellent job.
25:05With their hard work and dedication,
25:07the right results were achieved.
25:15You know, when you listen to these victims,
25:17it's such a terrifying ordeal that they've been put through.
25:20I am just glad that those criminals are behind bars now.
25:23Absolutely, me too. Great police work there.
25:26Victims of crimes and emergency service workers
25:29can all suffer terrible trauma after living through harrowing events
25:32like the ones we just saw there.
25:34And for some, the toll it takes can feel insurmountable.
25:37After his son took his own life in 2021,
25:40former newsreader Mike McCarthy set up charity Baton of Hope,
25:44which offers support to those contemplating suicide.
25:47We're now with an ambassador for the charity Baton of Hope
25:50and former Met Police officer Paul Cashmore,
25:52who's talking to us about how overcoming his own battle
25:55inspired him to help others to do the same.
25:58It's really good to have you with us in studio this morning, Paul.
26:02And many people actually might know you from Channel 4's Hunted.
26:05But talking about your time in the force,
26:08you've actually spoken quite openly about the heavy strain
26:12that it's put on your mental health.
26:14Yeah, no, sure. So I joined the Met Police when I was 21
26:18and was a member of the most effective robbery unit at that period.
26:21However, during that time, you're exposed to a number of incidents,
26:25including live firearms incidents where shots are fired
26:29and the tragic death of a young boy that I had to deal with
26:33that actually quite really badly affected me,
26:36as well as a number of other incidents.
26:38And there's an expectation of, say, for instance, someone like me,
26:42and you're an ex-rugby player or you may do some boxing and stuff,
26:45there's an image to uphold.
26:47So you just have to get on with it and you can't talk about anything.
26:51And it's... I didn't realise at the time how badly it affected me
26:55that you are experiencing symptoms of PTSD.
26:58Yeah. And this is the thing, you talk about the image and the expectation.
27:01I mean, we've seen pictures of you from Hunted
27:04and it's this persona of a tough guy, no nonsense,
27:08but there's so much that's going on behind the scenes.
27:11How did it manifest then for you
27:13that this had actually got to you inside?
27:16Yeah, so I believe that's the image I need to portray.
27:19However, when I was in my car, I had a smartwatch on
27:23and my heart rate was going from 39 to bouncing up to 180
27:26for no apparent reason. That's high.
27:28There'd be inflammation and pains in my body,
27:30yet tests would show there was actually nothing physically wrong with me.
27:33So physically, you were in good shape,
27:35you did a lot of training, physical training,
27:37but there was something going on. Sure, yeah.
27:39So no tests could figure it out.
27:41But really what it was doing is,
27:43these kind of things can be triggered by something,
27:45for example, like a song that may have been playing
27:48at the time of an incident,
27:50and it's sitting in my subconscious mind, so I had no idea.
27:53So I became a man on a mission to figure it out,
27:55to fix myself, and to pay it forward
27:58and help as many people as I could.
28:00Which is so important, and that's where this amazing charity,
28:03Baton of Hope, comes in.
28:05Tell us how you got involved and what it's doing at the minute.
28:08Yeah, no, sure.
28:09So when I was on a mission to kind of fix myself,
28:11I started doing lots of meditation with Buddhist monks,
28:14and I learnt how to fix myself.
28:17I was then giving talks to a number of police forces,
28:19like Durham Constabulary in North Yorkshire,
28:22and the British military and senior nurses.
28:24I was introduced to Mike McCarthy after the death of his son
28:27and what he was doing,
28:29and I gave a talk at the Sheffield event.
28:33And Mike is a wonderful human doing great things,
28:36and he asked if I would be an ambassador,
28:38and I was absolutely honoured to help as many people as I could.
28:41Yeah, and this is a big thing for you, isn't it?
28:44It's about helping others, and we've actually got the baton here.
28:48It's massive.
28:49It's a lot bigger than I thought it was going to be, I have to say.
28:52It's pretty impressive, Paul. You brought it in.
28:54But tell us about its significance,
28:56because there's a real message you want to get across
28:59about passing it on and helping others, isn't there?
29:01Yeah, sure. The word hope is something...
29:03If you give someone the word hope,
29:05it gives them something they can strive for
29:07and they know they can get better.
29:09And if this is like a beacon of light and you can pass it on,
29:11it's like a ripple effect.
29:13You drop a pebble in some water, it will ripple out.
29:15We can do that with this. We can pass it around.
29:17It's like a beacon of light,
29:19and you're passing on that hope to everybody else.
29:21We're going round to a number of other cities in the country,
29:24and if people can get involved and use that and pass it on,
29:28we can know that, people can know that they can reach out to somebody,
29:32that there is hope and you can get better,
29:34and if I can do it and overcome it, they can.
29:36And it's really important for you to get that message out, Paul,
29:39because you're being very open and honest today,
29:41and I really appreciate, as we all do, you coming in and doing this,
29:44because there was a time that you were going through a really tough time,
29:47it's fair to say, wasn't it, with how this has affected you?
29:50Yeah, no, sure.
29:52At the time when it was going through,
29:54I didn't really understand how this manifests in the body.
30:00And it was only really through speaking to people then, what was going on.
30:04I would speak to other police officers
30:06who were dealing with other incidents, and it was badly affecting them.
30:11Military, but it could be anybody,
30:14could be going through a divorce, have financial problems.
30:18Trauma can affect anybody at any time,
30:20and I just wanted to figure it out, that this is, I say, curable loosely,
30:25but you can overcome it.
30:27So when I was doing the meditations and I was doing sound therapy and using NLP,
30:31you can collapse the traumatic thought
30:34and replace it with a more empowering thought and anchor yourself.
30:38So you may see me doing things like this.
30:40That now empowers me and reduces my heart rate down.
30:43I'm in a calm state.
30:44It's having all these skills, isn't it?
30:46And just finally talking about the Baton,
30:48it's going on tour, isn't it, for a second time later this year?
30:50Yes, certainly, yeah.
30:51So the Baton, after the successful tour in 2023,
30:55starts again on the 1st of September to the 10th of October.
30:59We're going through 23 cities around the UK.
31:02There's a number of events in the cities.
31:04There'll be celebrities joining.
31:05There'll be music being played.
31:07Keep an eye on the social media.
31:09Keep an eye on the website.
31:10Please come and join us and let all your friends know,
31:13and let's kind of spread the message that there is hope out there, you know?
31:16Absolutely.
31:17Thank you, Paul.
31:18Thank you, Paul.
31:19That's brilliant.
31:20And if you're affected by the issues discussed here,
31:22please visit Actionline,
31:23where you can find more information and contacts who can offer support.
31:27Now, in a few minutes, I'll be talking to Fred Siriax
31:29to hear about a scheme called The Right Course.
31:32But first, let's take a look at it in action.
31:41People get sent to prison to protect society.
31:44However, there's also a responsibility to offer rehabilitation
31:49so that when people come out,
31:51they can reintegrate and rebuild their lives.
31:56I'm Simon Sheehan.
31:57I'm the CEO of The Right Course.
32:01Fred Siriax and myself,
32:02we'd worked together for a long time with another charity,
32:05and we went on a prison visit,
32:07and Fred had a lightbulb moment, really,
32:09and saw the facilities and the opportunity
32:12to put in a training restaurant within the prison walls.
32:15And we thought, let's set up a charity to actually deliver this,
32:20and so we set up The Right Course.
32:24Morning, gents.
32:25Obviously, we're in for quite a busy day today.
32:27We're looking at anywhere between 100 or 150 covers this afternoon.
32:30How does that sound, gents? Sound like a plan?
32:32Brilliant. Well done. Thank you.
32:34Let's get to work, please. Thank you, chef.
32:37The idea is that our learners are working both front of house
32:42and back of house.
32:43What can I get you?
32:44Hiya, good day.
32:45They're learning those culinary skills that will really set them up
32:49for a great future within the industry.
32:54My name's Nick.
32:55I'm the hospitality and catering tutor here at HMP Lincoln.
32:59Chef.
33:00Hiya.
33:01Hiya.
33:03We're one of the first prisons nationally to offer a restaurant service
33:06where visitors could come in, sit down and have a meal
33:09served to them by the prisoners.
33:11Just today, we've had 27 families in for visits,
33:14so that's a really, really good, really busy day for us.
33:17It's about 100 to 150 covers.
33:23Our course is called The Right Course.
33:25It's a really, really good course.
33:27It's a really, really good course.
33:30Our course, Food Production and Cooking, is a really in-depth course.
33:35The wide variety that we cover
33:38really gives these guys the best shot for employment.
33:43We find that a lot of individuals have come in,
33:46maybe have never cooked a meal, even for their family,
33:49and I think that's just a life skill that they will continue with them
33:53whether they go into hospitality or not.
33:55For them, it's one of the best jobs within the prison.
33:58However, they have to prove themselves.
34:01They obviously are security-vetted,
34:03but they also then have to show a willingness to engage with the programme
34:06to make sure that they are taking the most of this experience
34:09because we are ultimately trying to get them into a job.
34:13Your food to go, please, Ryan. Thank you.
34:16My name is Ryan, and I wanted to join the course
34:19because I wanted to develop and learn new skills in my time here at Lincoln.
34:24What I enjoy the most about it
34:26is getting out away from the wing
34:28and obviously coming down here and working
34:30and dealing with real people face-to-face.
34:32Can I get you anything else? No, thank you.
34:34No? OK. Thank you, guys. Enjoy. Thank you.
34:36It was very daunting at first.
34:38I've never worked in hospitality or in a kitchen before,
34:41and what I'm learning here is all brand-new.
34:43So you're going to make a little bit of a go-between
34:45and run that station by yourself for the first time.
34:48Sound good? Yeah. Great.
34:49Being in prison is very hard,
34:51but working down here has helped me come to terms with it
34:55and it has helped massively with my mental health.
34:58It means everything to me to be given this opportunity
35:01to learn everything that I'm learning
35:03that I never expected that I would do.
35:08When you come to the restaurant,
35:10people are always amazed that they're actually inside prison.
35:13People don't feel like they're at HMP Lincoln.
35:15People just feel like they're at Bertie's Bistro.
35:18The men, day to day, love it
35:20because it gives them that sense of freedom,
35:22that sense of responsibility that they crave,
35:25that when they leave,
35:27they feel ready to go back out into the community.
35:31The feeling that it gives you when you see a man produce a dish
35:35that they never thought they could do,
35:38it fills you with a real sense of pride.
35:40When you have a man say to you,
35:42this is something I can show my daughter,
35:44this is something I can show my son,
35:46it thinks, wow, you know, we are really making a difference.
35:5260% to 70% of our learners are getting into work upon release.
35:57But we are confident that everybody that we work with
36:00is engaged with the right course.
36:02We're able to get them into employment.
36:05That motivates me and my team.
36:08And you just see that, you know,
36:10they are individuals who've paid the price of coming to prison,
36:15but they're actually trying to do better.
36:18And I think it's incumbent on us
36:20to give them every opportunity to do that.
36:28What a fantastic scheme,
36:30and we're very pleased to be joined virtually
36:32by Fred at Ciri X this morning.
36:34Fred, it's really good to talk to you.
36:36Just listening to Simon in the film there,
36:38I mean, it's a fantastic initiative,
36:40but I want to know what it's like for you,
36:42the experience of visiting one of those fully open restaurants.
36:47Well, it really is like going to a restaurant on the high street.
36:51You know, the offenders do all the work that people do in a restaurant.
36:54They're barristers, they're front of house,
36:56they are cooking, they are back of house.
36:58The only difference is that it is in the prison,
37:01so you cannot go there if you are a member of the public.
37:04These restaurants are for mainly, you know,
37:06the staff of the prison and the contractors of the prison.
37:08But basically, they do all the work that you do in a normal restaurant,
37:11but this is a training restaurant with a vision for excellence.
37:15And what about any controversy?
37:18I don't know whether you've experienced that, actually,
37:20around these type of schemes,
37:22people that might say prison is for punishment.
37:25What are your views on that?
37:27Well, we know that, you know, prison as a punishment
37:29doesn't really work because of the rate of re-offending.
37:33So what we need is really to look after people
37:35and think about education and think about turning people's lives around.
37:39At the end of the day, though, it starts with the offenders
37:42because they have to volunteer to be in the restaurant,
37:44they have to adhere to our code of conduct and our values,
37:47and then it's up to them, really.
37:49I mean, there is always people who talk about
37:51that we should be putting people in prison and throwing away the key.
37:54I'm not of that view.
37:56I think it's important to give people opportunities
37:58and to give people chances.
38:00The reason why they're in prison is because at the end of the day,
38:03you know, they have been failed somehow by society,
38:06by their parents or by other things.
38:08So we need to really put them on the right footing.
38:11Yeah, you hear from Ryan in the film there, one of the offenders,
38:14and you can really tell the impact that it's had on him
38:17going through this programme.
38:19Talk me through what a typical day in the restaurant is like.
38:23Well, a typical day in a restaurant, in our restaurant,
38:26is just like a normal day in a restaurant.
38:28You start, you arrive, you have a briefing,
38:31you get your set, your holders of the day,
38:35and then people go into the various departments,
38:38whether it's front of house, back of house, in the kitchen.
38:41They prepare the food, they make coffee,
38:43they prepare the takeaways for the customers.
38:45And then by the time it's three o'clock, lunch is finished,
38:48and then it's about classroom-based learning and teaching
38:51for them to learn a bit more
38:53and take part in the qualifications that we've set up for them.
38:57And, I mean, it's a significant number, this.
39:0060% to 70% of learners are going into employment when they leave.
39:05I mean, that figure must be hugely satisfying for you and the team, Fred.
39:09It's fantastic.
39:11But, you know, the way we see it is, as long as we can change one life
39:14and we can make a difference to one person,
39:17for us, we're very happy.
39:19In fact, I got married, as you were telling me last week.
39:22I was in Jamaica, and somebody called my name,
39:25they said, Fred, Fred, Fred.
39:27And I thought, maybe it's somebody who's recognised me.
39:29But it's not.
39:30It was one of our ex-protégés at the right course
39:33who set up a bar and was calling me
39:36because he was on holiday with his wife and his child.
39:39And so you can imagine my reaction when I saw him.
39:42Yeah.
39:43Because I met him when he was 16 years old.
39:45He was in prison in Isis for a bank robbery,
39:47and there he was in the same hotel that I was.
39:50You know, what a success story.
39:52That is just quite incredible, isn't it?
39:54It really is.
39:55So what's next for the charity, then?
39:57Where does it go from here?
39:59Well, we are making a difference, you know.
40:01We have three course of eight learners per year
40:06in each of our sites.
40:07So we are making a difference.
40:08But if we really want to make a real difference,
40:11we need to open a restaurant in each of the prisons in the UK.
40:14There are about 90 prisons.
40:15Not all of them will be suitable,
40:17but all the prisons have a staff restaurant,
40:20you know, the MOJ need to feed their staff.
40:22But rather than feed the staff, you know,
40:24let's just feed the staff by using a training restaurant,
40:28by training, by educating,
40:30and by preparing the offenders for life outside of prison.
40:34So I think that if we want to really make a difference,
40:36we need to scale up this programme,
40:38because it is a no-brainer, really.
40:40People need to learn,
40:41and we have the capacity to do that within the MOJ.
40:45So it's something that we just need to start
40:47and get going right now.
40:49Yeah, that's an exciting prospect to move forward as well.
40:51And finally, I know you're into your food, Fred.
40:53You had some cracking dishes, I expect.
40:57Yes, we have an incredible menu.
40:59In fact, we are just completing a kitchen recipe manual,
41:04which we'll be distributing to all the prisons
41:07so that we can get even more consistency
41:10than we are getting now,
41:11because quality is all about consistency,
41:14and it's all about making sure that people know
41:16what they are doing.
41:17So this is the direction that we are taking now.
41:19Really good to speak to you.
41:20Thank you so much for taking the time.
41:22Incredible work that you're doing.
41:24Thank you very much.
41:27Yeah, it really is.
41:28Now, we just have time for today's Wanted Faces.
41:35First, we've got Marcus Aaron Yeldham,
41:37but he's also been known to use the surname Warnes.
41:40He's absconded from prison,
41:41where he's in the middle of a seven-year sentence
41:44for drug offences.
41:45He's 46, with tattoos on both of his arms,
41:47and he has links across Wales.
41:50Or what about Ahmed Warsome?
41:51Although he also goes by the name Chris Cartel
41:54and sometimes the surname Tamper,
41:56Surrey police want to question him
41:57about the theft of a motor vehicle.
41:59He's 31, with a scar on the left-hand side of his neck.
42:02Police say he has links to Kingston and Richmond
42:05on the Surrey-London border.
42:07And next, we have 25-year-old Arnis Pauks.
42:10Sometimes he changes the spelling of his surname
42:13to P-A-U-C-A-S.
42:17Homicide police want to find him.
42:19He has been recalled to prison
42:21for breaching the conditions of his licence.
42:23Originally from Latvia,
42:25he has links to Hull in Yorkshire
42:27and also to Scunthorpe in North Lincolnshire.
42:30And last for today, we've got Zyko Rothwell.
42:32Greater Manchester police have charged him
42:34with conspiracy to supply drugs,
42:35but he's since gone to ground.
42:37He's 34.
42:38Police believe he may have travelled
42:39to the United Arab Emirates or possibly Brazil.
42:42If you see or know any of these men,
42:43pick up the phone and get in touch.
42:45Our number's 08000 468 999.
42:48Thanks for watching today.
42:50Don't forget you can catch us on iPlayer
42:51for up to 30 days after broadcast tomorrow.
42:54How a concert turned into a death trap
42:56for innocent young revellers in Brixton.
43:01Gabby went to work to keep people safe
43:03so they could enjoy a concert.
43:05She never made it home.
43:10Well, the Met Police will be here asking for help
43:12identifying some of those who attended the concert that night.
43:15So we'll see you tomorrow at the same time of 10.45.
43:54.