Joe explains why he can't find a reason that Myles Garrett shouldn't be targeted by the Bills. He gives examples of other great defensive ends that have had great longevity.
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00:00Does anyone want to make the argument against the bills doing it?
00:05Does anybody even want to make a case why the bills shouldn't do this?
00:10It is, sometimes when an idea is completely unanimous,
00:16I do want to take a step back and look at it and say, okay, can it be this easy?
00:22It has to be this good of an idea. It has to be an automatic yes.
00:28And I did that with Miles Garrett here.
00:31I read Kevin Cole, who had a good breakdown comparing Garrett to other elite pass rushers
00:38when they turned 30 and what the decline looked like and how, you know, even Vaughn.
00:44Vaughn Miller went from the best defensive end in the league to he was really, really good,
00:50but he wasn't the best anymore. He wasn't Defensive Player of the Year anymore.
00:55And he maintained that level really until he was 34 years old and he tore his knee
01:02against the Lions for the bills. And then, you know, then it went away.
01:07Although even this year, as we pointed out, Vaughn was top 10 in the league in pass rush win rate.
01:12Like, he kind of bounced back this year better than I thought he would.
01:16Didn't put up big sack numbers.
01:19So, alright, and Aaron Donald, who I know plays defensive tackle and defensive end
01:24when he was in the league, more so defensive tackle.
01:27He maintained that level into his 30s a little bit better, but still wasn't the 20-and-a-half sack guy
01:33that he was in his mid-20s and so on and so forth.
01:36There's a lot of examples of, alright, small step back early in your 30s,
01:41big step back maybe in your mid-30s.
01:44And a lot of guys can stay at, you know, a level of, hey, part-time defensive end,
01:53I'm a one-trick pony, I play on third and longs, and I'm just a pass rush specialist.
01:58Some of those guys do it late, late into their careers.
02:02James Harrison played in the NFL until he was in his 40s.
02:07Dwight Freeney. Dwight Freeney, anyone remember him on any of these teams?
02:14Dwight Freeney went after he turned 34.
02:19Chargers, Cardinals, Falcons, Seahawks, Lions.
02:24Does anybody remember him on any of those teams?
02:28But, hey, he played until 37.
02:31Right? He played. He was around a lot.
02:35Was not, you know, all pro Dwight Freeney at the end, but still played
02:40and had an eight-sack year down there at the end.
02:42And Terrell Suggs, he played until 37.
02:45At 37, he had six and a half sacks. At 36, he had seven sacks.
02:49At 35, he had 11 sacks.
02:51Again, not what Terrell Suggs was when he was a first-team all-pro, but pretty productive.
02:55So, when I look at Garrett, I guess why there isn't really, to me, a great argument against it
03:03is where the bills are coming from at the position and what you would expect him to be, even if there is a decline.
03:14You know, like, Garrett, if he's the best defensive end in the league right now,
03:19which I think is debatable between him and TJ Watt, but I think you could say it's Garrett.
03:25If he's the best in the league right now, how long do I need him to be that to make the trade worth it?
03:33Do I need, what, do I need one year of that to make it worth it? Two years of that? It depends on what you win, right?
03:43If he is, if you only get one year of it, and the Bills win the Super Bowl, then of course it was worth it.
03:49If you get one year of it and they make the Super Bowl, then it's probably still worth it.
03:53If you get, you know, to me it's more, though, about, for this conversation, what do I expect to get out of him
03:58after, if he's another year further as a 15 sack guy, and he's an AP First Team All-Pro,
04:07and he's Defensive Player of the Year consideration again, then what do I expect him to become after that?
04:14And I just don't think it's going to be bad. Injuries can happen, but injuries can happen to anybody.
04:20I don't, I think it would almost be unprecedented if you look around at the other players of his caliber at the position over the decades.
04:31Because you can't really find a lot of comparisons, like we're working from a small sample size.
04:36There have not been that many defensive ends as good as Miles Garrett.
04:41What do they all have in common?
04:44They all are pretty good still, in their 30s, if not still great, and they oftentimes play into their late 30s,
04:54and as I mentioned, sometimes they even make it to 40.