🔵 HABLA EL VENDEDOR AMBULANTE ATACADO
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00:00And we are with Leonardo Merollo, you just spoke about the threats that you were receiving, the material that Pablo Ponson just mentioned.
00:08And well, he wants to clarify several of the issues that you are reporting regarding what he had to go through.
00:13The truth is that they gave him the high just two stabs received by Luis Benítez in what is his body.
00:20Look, look at how he is, he is in this situation, in these conditions.
00:23There is one of the stabs, a very important stab in that area of his body.
00:28We thank him for receiving us, because of course, he is the first of the victims.
00:31Then Lucas appears here, another of the stabs.
00:34Then the second victim, with seven stabs, was Lucas Aguilar.
00:37He tells us that it was really an impressive knife that this individual took out of his backpack.
00:43Well, how is all this born? You were just listening to Rolando, to Pablo. What do you want to clarify?
00:48I want to clarify that the threats and all that, that they are other street vendors.
00:54They are not like that, it is not that I do not do territorial, as they say, no, no.
00:59I come, to be sent to this boy to kill me directly, because it is like that.
01:05Because there was not a fight either, as they say.
01:08I was just selling, the boy was looking at me, but dancing badly.
01:16I keep walking, I don't give him a ball, I go to the rows in the background.
01:21As I go and come from the rows, I go back through one of the rows, through the other.
01:25When I go back through his row, he keeps looking at me, I greet him, I don't give him a ball.
01:31I go back, thinking he wants to buy.
01:34Capo, what do you want? Alfajorcitos? No, put the alfajorcitos in the garden, my son.
01:38He had a backpack in front of him, he took his hands out of the backpack, I was on this side.
01:43When I said, put the alfajorcitos in the garden, he took his hands out, hit the box.
01:48When I turn around, he stabs me directly here, in the chest.
01:53I didn't see the knife at first, but I felt a strong blow back here.
02:02And I want to run away, there were so many people, because it was full of people, peak time.
02:08When I want to run away, I see that he is catching up to me, so I turn around, and when I turn around, he stabs me here.
02:15There, when I see the knife, the knife has a blade on one side like this, and another blade on the other side like this.
02:24There, when he stabs me here, I fall to the floor.
02:27When I fall to the floor, he throws himself on me.
02:30There comes one of the saleswomen who was there, you see, who was waiting for the bus that takes there, one of the saleswomen,
02:37he takes him out, when he takes him out, he stabs him, and that's when people don't dare to face him.
02:43So, they all run to the side, and he comes back on top of me.
02:47When he throws himself on me, I kick him with my feet from the floor, because he was grabbing my wound,
02:52because the amount of blood that came out was impressive.
02:58And I manage to escape, he even stabs me here on the leg,
03:02and since I just got out of the hospital, I still can't clean it.
03:07And that's when all the people start throwing things at him, and he starts running.
03:12When he starts running, I grab him here, I try to get up, and when I try to get up, I faint.
03:18It's like I fall back.
03:20When I fall back, I realize, I get up in my underwear like this, and the blood starts coming out,
03:24and people start grabbing me, because I was falling.
03:27I couldn't stand up.
03:30I stand up, and I yell at some friends who were there, waiting for the bus,
03:37because there were a lot of people there.
03:39I tell them to run, to grab him, to stab him.
03:42I think he killed me, he killed me, I think he killed me, run.
03:45That's when they start running.
03:47This boy, Luca, who was working, I don't know if he was training,
03:55I even saw in other notes that he had written a note that he was tired of the robberies and everything.
04:01I think what he saw was that everyone was running,
04:04and he would have imagined that this boy had stolen something, and he started running.
04:09And he responded in the same way as me.
04:12He tried to stop him, and he took out a knife and stabbed him in the same way as me,
04:21without compassion, directly to kill, with the same attitude.
04:28I think I saved myself, because there were a lot of people there,
04:31and all the people who were there, who jumped,
04:33who in some way scared him so that he could run away.
04:40My co-worker, Daniela, who took him out so that he wouldn't continue stabbing me.
04:48Then my co-worker, Martina, who took me in a truck and took me to the hospital quickly,
04:55because I think that's one of the things.
04:58For example, Luca was lying on the floor, no one helped him,
05:02the cars passed by, the people, no one helped him.
05:07I have a little heart to see him bleeding on the floor,
05:11take him to a truck, a car, whatever happens, take him urgently to the hospital.
05:16I was so lucky that, thanks to God, my co-worker took me up,
05:19the people from the police station took me up to the truck,
05:25this guy in the truck.
05:26We almost collided like three or four times, we got to the hospital,
05:30in the hospital they took care of me from 10 to very fast,
05:35well, obviously, the first 10 minutes, because at 10, 15 minutes Luca arrives.
05:42Luca arrives already dead and they take care of him,
05:45they even run to my side and put him next to me,
05:48all this without knowing what had happened.
05:51And well, very sad, very sad for all this, for Luca's family,
05:58for Luca, for so much injustice and everything that is happening.
06:02Leonardo, can you hear me?
06:04Yes.
06:06Well, first of all, you saved yourself from a miracle, brother,
06:09because if you got a stab in the liver, you were going to have a really bad time.
06:14It is at the level of the liver, that is, even the doctors,
06:18excuse me, I interrupt you, even the doctors told me that I saved myself
06:23because obviously I am fat, because if I had a little less fat, I would die.
06:31I was perforating the liver, I turned around and nothing,
06:37and until now I would be suffering again.
06:39Do you think the guy went to look for you, that he wanted to kill you?
06:43I think so.
06:45So he went to look for you, he was looking for you.
06:47And what happened with Luca was something that when he was already played,
06:53the guy was thinking that he had already killed me.
06:56Of course, of course.
06:57Had you had threats in previous days?
07:03Yes, but I don't think those threats reach this level,
07:08but it's like we all say, we never finish meeting people.
07:11And then, Leo, why did you think that you said, they sent him to kill me?
07:17This is very strange, because the boy, I don't know him from anywhere,
07:25someone hired him to go look for you.
07:28He's a guy who has an office, when he gets out of there,
07:33take the job, read the office, you're going to be there for a while.
07:36Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm seeing.
07:41That he took a collective that is not the one he was waiting for at that moment.
07:45I mean, if he took the 31st and the 27th, he was supposed to be waiting for the 25th.
07:50I think he should check the cameras of what is the square,
07:55and see how long ago this boy was going around there.
07:59Because that's how a lot of things are said that are real,
08:04and a lot of things are said that are not unreal.
08:06Okay, but why did you think that?
08:09There were versions that the boy was going around for a while,
08:12versions were heard that he waited,
08:15I have my co-workers who cut me off from working at 5, 5 and a half,
08:18and I waited until I was alone.
08:21Okay, but you think he went to look for you,
08:25and you also told me that you had had some kind of threats in previous days.
08:28The truth is that it is difficult to add one more than one.
08:32Yes, there was a small fight there between some sellers,
08:40that I had nothing to do with,
08:43but that's why I say it's one of the options,
08:47but I don't know, I don't know.
08:50What I can assure you is that it was not an account adjustment, as they say,
08:57that we are not sellers, that we offer it to people,
09:01and if they don't buy, we steal from them, as they say.
09:03That I don't owe to loan sharks, and to majorists, as they say.
09:09No, no, Diego.
09:12These are stories invented in hatred.
09:16No one can say that when you are the victim and you were stabbed.
09:21Let's start with the real data.
09:24The real data is that the victim is you and you were stabbed,
09:27and the other victim is the poor Lucas Aguilar.
09:30Exactly.
09:31I could be in Lucas' place quietly right now.
09:34His intention was to kill me, and I think he wants me to kill myself.
09:39And that's why he reacted to Lucas like that.
09:42I mean, he was already on a boat that he could not get off.
09:47If you didn't know the guy, or you didn't see him in the square,
09:51and he went to look for you, it's because someone sent him.
09:53If you had no problem with him, no one sends a guy with these records.
09:57There are people who say that he took the collective every day there,
10:02including the channels that called him Marito.
10:05But not everyone who takes the collective...
10:07I've never seen him, I've been working there for 14 or 12 years.
10:09Not everyone who takes the collective will stab you.
10:12Or they go with a knife of that size, with that knife you described.
10:17And they handle it the way they handle it.
10:20You didn't see how he stabbed me, but you saw how he stabbed Lucas,
10:24and he's going to decide everything.
10:26I mean, he's going to...
10:27Yes, he handles it like a lumberjack.
10:30Yes, let's say, for me, he had agility in his hand.
10:38Like a guy who spent a lot of time in jail.
10:42And that's the case with this man.
10:44Yes, he trains too, let's say.
10:46Leonardo, how are you?
10:50Well, we, in the afternoon,
10:52we were able to contact your friends, workers,
10:55as you are describing,
10:57and they told us a situation that generates a twist
10:59in what the investigation would have to be,
11:01because this would not be an imbalance,
11:03but someone who was sent to kill you.
11:05Do you suspect who could have wanted to end your life?
11:11No.
11:12No, I don't know, I don't know.
11:14I don't know.
11:15I mean, no, no, no.
11:17I wouldn't know how to say it.
11:19I'm not that kind of person.
11:21I think people say a lot of stupid things when they're angry.
11:28Yes, I've heard stupid things, as I say,
11:34that people say.
11:37Because, yes, I've heard stupid things, like threats.
11:41But no, I don't think they get to that level, no.
11:47And why do you think, Leonardo, that they would have wanted to attack you?
11:50Well, that they attacked you.
11:52Why do you think?
11:54I don't find the reason.
11:55You don't find.
11:56But I imagine, I imagine,
11:59there are a lot of people who think that I'm rich.
12:02Not rich, but that I make a fortune of money working there.
12:08I mean, I see that there are a lot of people,
12:10but, and they see that I sell,
12:13but the reality is that I sell at the reach of the hand of each person, right?
12:21I mean, I try not to kill people,
12:23but I understand the economic level in which we are,
12:25and that money is not enough for anything.
12:28So I try to sell as cheaply and economically as possible.
12:31I think that there are a lot of people who get angry.
12:34Leonardo, wait a little bit.
12:36I give them work.
12:37Wait a little bit, because we are going to make contact with another of our mobile phones,
12:41where Gabriel Prosper is.
12:43And who are you with, Gaby?
12:46This is Leo's position.
12:48Here, near Moreno's train station,
12:53in what are the bus stops.
12:56Leo came out of here,
12:59with a cart loaded with alfajores and other sweets,
13:04walking in this direction, behind me.
13:08Walking there, trying to sell, precisely,
13:12what he usually does,
13:15passing through the passengers.
13:17And on that journey, he meets a person who looks at him badly.
13:22Yes, there you can see what he was telling, right?
13:24The amount of people who stop in that square,
13:27who wait for the bus, who make the transfer.
13:30There you understand a little better what Leo was telling in the story,
13:33that he is going through the queue and there are a lot of people.
13:37That is why the attack was also in front of hundreds of people.
13:42Exactly.
13:44It was in this square.
13:46Then those who saw the attack, including Lucas,
13:50run out with the end of this tragic story.
13:53I'm going to ask Martina to come closer.
13:55Martina works with Leo.
13:59She was there at that time.
14:02And somehow, she has the possibility
14:08to show us through an audio.
14:11They can corroborate that we are from 7 in the morning to 11 at night
14:15working under the sun, under 40-50 degrees of heat,
14:18whatever, rain, storm, hail, whatever.
14:22We are there, the holidays, everything.
14:28And nothing, I mean, I practically don't even have a car.
14:34And people think that you become rich and maybe they want to have that.
14:39And that's why they send you to do these things.
14:43So you thought they wanted to keep your position?
14:49For me, it is the intention of someone,
14:52I can't say who, but I can't find another reason.
14:57Because, yes, obviously I take out loans,
15:02for example, they give me trusted merchandise,
15:04but I have all that all day.
15:06I pay them all.
15:08I mean, it's not that it can be an account adjustment.
15:10You don't have any debt.
15:14I mean, I have debts like everyone.
15:16Yes, obviously, we all have them.
15:18But I don't have a debt from someone who wants to come to me directly
15:22to kill me for the debt I owe them.
15:25Sure, not for such a scale of reaction.
15:28The last one, because if we talk about a debt,
15:32let's say you have a big debt,
15:34and who can send you a message?
15:36A message is to give you a stab,
15:38or I don't know, a trumped-up letter.
15:41But to want to kill you at that level,
15:44at the level that you wanted to kill one person,
15:46and you kill another one too,
15:48because he jumps to want to stop you,
15:50I don't think it's the case.
15:52It's not the case.
15:53As there is also the option, sorry,
15:57that this boy is turned around,
16:00and that with the warrant,
16:02and with everything,
16:04but nothing reacted like that.
16:06What seems very strange to me is that nothing comes out with a knife,
16:09without having a previous discussion.
16:12Because it's not that we grab a piñata, as they say.
16:15Leo, we ask you and Christian Balbo for a moment,
16:19who is our colleague who is there accompanying you,
16:22and listening to you too,
16:24to go to the other of our cell phones,
16:27where Gaby Riel Prosperi is,
16:31there in the place where everything started,
16:34that Plaza de Moreno,
16:36where there is a large number of public,
16:38a large influx of people who are waiting for the collective,
16:41and where Leo's post is.
16:43We return with you, Gaby.
16:45Exactly, exactly, Luciana.
16:48We were with Martina at the post,
16:50we already expressed the route that Leo made,
16:53before the attack.
16:55Martina, you work with Leo here.
16:57Yes, I am Leo's friend,
16:59and yesterday I helped him sell.
17:02Do you have something on your cell phone
17:04that can be particularly important?
17:06Do you have your cell phone on you?
17:08Yes, I have it.
17:09Because Martina, Luciana,
17:11before starting this talk,
17:13to allow me to get to their post,
17:17she told me that she has a testimony
17:20that can help the cause
17:22to determine where this alleged attack against Leo,
17:26against the street vendor, was born.
17:28We are going to listen to the voice of a woman
17:31who, when did she send this message?
17:34She sent this message yesterday afternoon,
17:37it was two thirty,
17:39and what happened to Leo and Lucas
17:41was at six thirty in the afternoon.
17:43Let's see, or deactivate it,
17:45let's put it on the microphone
17:47to see if it can be heard well.
17:49Who did they send it to, to her?
17:51To Leo.
17:53I don't know, Tesore still doesn't tell you anything.
17:56I'm not going to tell you anything,
17:58it's going to be a surprise for everyone.
18:01Nothing, nothing, the only thing I can say is
18:04that you guys get into that game
18:06that he told me, he told me, they told me.
18:08You say what you want.
18:10From my mouth, first of all,
18:12the name of her will not come out,
18:14neither the cases I'm doing, nor what I'm going to do,
18:16nor the repercussions that all this is going to have.
18:19So, imagine.
18:23Who is it?
18:24That's just a person like that.
18:26What is that? Who does that audio belong to?
18:29That audio belongs to a woman,
18:32I don't know if you can call her a lady,
18:34because because of her, that woman is a murderer.
18:37Because because of her, Lucas died.
18:40Leo, does this woman know her?
18:42We all know her, we all know her here.
18:45And at this moment she is working as if nothing happened,
18:48and the federal police cover her back,
18:50and why do they cover her back?
18:52We didn't tell her anything.
18:54So, the woman feels dirty.
18:57So, you say that this attack can come,
19:01at least the cause can be in that place.
19:05Well, the message, the message,
19:07that enigmatic message seems like a threat.
19:10Yes, Rolando.
19:11That enigmatic message seems like a threat.
19:13That's why Martina tells me,
19:15this message came to Leo a few minutes before the attack.
19:21Is that so?
19:22Yes, well, when this happened, what happened to Leo,
19:27I took him to the hospital,
19:28and when I got to the hospital, my daughter sent me a message,
19:30asking me what happened.
19:32So, Martina, you believe that this was not by chance,
19:35that it was not that Leo met a madman on the way.
19:38It was not by chance.
19:39That man was waiting for him there,
19:41to provoke him.
19:43Yes, he was going to mess with him.
19:47If it was me, it was Leo, it was him.
19:50How many of you are related to this position?
19:52How many are the wandering sellers of this position?
19:55How many work here with Leo?
19:57How many work with Leo?
19:58I don't know, because there are four employees,
20:01but Leo always takes people,
20:03because Leo is a real person.
20:05They work here every day.
20:07And where would this woman's anger come from?
20:10What did Leo do that bothers this woman?
20:13I don't know what problem they might have.
20:16You don't know?
20:17I don't know, at least I don't know.
20:19But that message did occur before the attack.
20:22She stole money from Leo.
20:24She stole money from Leo.
20:26It comes from a long time ago, then.
20:27She stole merchandise, and Leo was always a real person with her.
20:31Even when he took care of that woman, he took care of her.
20:33Are they relatives?
20:34No, they are not relatives.
20:35Are they friends, are they acquaintances?
20:36Supposedly they were friends, but they are not friends.
20:40If they do those things to her, they are...
20:42Well, Orlando, it's another tip that Leo's people give us
20:45to somehow reconstruct what happened,
20:48and maybe leave another hypothesis,
20:51that this was not the work of a madman,
20:54but that it was someone sent, right?
20:56The episode is so serious
20:58that now we have to do a serious investigation,
21:01because there is a dead person.
21:03They have killed a person, and they have seriously injured Leo.
21:06So there are two victims.
21:08One person with serious injuries,
21:10and another person dead by a guy who,
21:13either on his own or on someone else's account,
21:16stabbed him in a square that is next to Moreno station,
21:20in front of hundreds of people.
21:23So this of making him go through a madman,
21:25which was the first version that circulated from the police,
21:28it was not like that.
21:31Of course, exactly.
21:33And that's where they take advantage of that crowd of people
21:37for the attack, right?
21:39To try to dissolve themselves among the crowd,
21:41and be able to escape.
21:43Perhaps that was precisely the chance
21:46that this 38-year-old man was given,
21:49with the last name Benitez.
21:51Author, first of the attempted homicide of this ambulance driver,
21:54and then of the homicide of Lucas.
21:58Let's see, I want to hear a little bit.
22:00Cristian, are you still with Leo?
22:03Yes, we are here with Leonardo Merocha,
22:05who was also listening to the testimonies
22:07that Gabriel Prosperi was collecting,
22:09there in the square where he works,
22:11as an ambulance driver, from Golosinas.
22:14And of course, let's see.
22:16What happened was serious, Leo.
22:18You are talking with a logic of ...
22:20Yes, it was very serious, right?
22:22Yes, it was serious.
22:24It's like ... I don't see it that way.
22:29That audio that you just heard,
22:31that audio that you just heard,
22:33is an audio that a person who ...
22:36maybe they will tell me everything you want,
22:39it's true that you don't have to trust anyone in this world or anything,
22:42but I think it's an audio that sends in an anger.
22:47I don't think that person ...
22:50You know what's going on, Leo?
22:53To kill me, I mean ...
22:55The investigation is not going to depend on you.
22:57That audio, when I was ...
22:59The investigation is going to depend ...
23:01The first thing is that.
23:03The investigation is going to depend now
23:05on what you find on your cell phone,
23:07the guy who stabbed you and killed Lucas.
23:09Yes, yes.
23:11What I want to clarify is that
23:13maybe this lady who sends that audio,
23:15who sends it to me,
23:17that you can hear it now,
23:19because when I was in the hospital,
23:21my cell phone was withdrawn
23:23and everyone was speculating to see what happened,
23:26to see if someone threatened me.
23:28And when I listened to the audios,
23:30they heard this lady's audio.
23:32It's not that I make up a kind of bullshit
23:35trying to send it back or anything.
23:38I think that ...
23:40Maybe I have those thoughts
23:43and everyone tells me that I'm kind of stupid in that sense,
23:45because I don't think people get to do something like that.
23:50I don't think this lady ...
23:52They stabbed you, Leonardo.
23:54They almost took your life.
23:56You just confirmed it.
23:58They were for you.
24:00They were for me.
24:02They were for you for some reason.
24:04It's not Leonardo who has to solve the case.
24:06That's what justice is for.
24:08You're not going to send an audio threatening like that
24:10and then you're going to do something like that.
24:12I think so.
24:14Because at some point that lady
24:16had a very good relationship,
24:18she even took care of my daughters.
24:21Wait a minute.
24:23Wait a minute.
24:25Let's go to another cell phone.
24:27Marcelo Padovani, who are you with?
24:29We are with Javier Alonso,
24:31Minister of Security of the province of Buenos Aires.
24:33Rolo, here the minister has come to visit the area.
24:36He came to the police station.
24:38The minister also visited the municipality area
24:40where there was an incident.
24:42Can you give us a detail of the detainees?
24:44Well, yes.
24:46First of all, I want to complain about the death
24:51and the aggression suffered by the boy
24:56I was just talking about.
24:58Nothing I say can mitigate the pain
25:00of his family, of his friends.
25:03In that context, there was a whole situation of violence
25:07that we had to put a limit on
25:10because two patrols were broken,
25:12two municipal mobile phones.
25:15There were policemen who were even assaulted.
25:18And we can't allow that.
25:20The same thing they do to the municipal building.
25:22There are 19 apprehended.
25:24We are waiting for the prosecutor's statement.
25:29In that case, the important thing is to focus on the investigation.
25:34In this case, he should be in prison.
25:37When you see the amount of people he has.
25:39That's what I was going to tell you.
25:41How is it possible for a guy like that to be released?
25:45We can read the report all night long.
25:48It's endless.
25:49He had almost 18 years of activity
25:51in the Choreo and in the apprehensions.
25:54He had five periods in provincial penitentiary units.
25:59The last of just two months,
26:02which was released last year.
26:05And in the fourth, that is, the previous time he left
26:08and a month and a half later he was arrested again in a penitentiary.
26:12And if you look at the records,
26:14beyond the five times he was in a penitentiary unit,
26:17he has a lot of police records.
26:19That shows the work of the police.
26:21Beyond the actions of justice.
26:24So there, unfortunately,
26:27we realize a very complex system
26:31linked to the executions of the sentence,
26:34linked to the guarantees,
26:36to everything that means that.
26:38And to the truth, an extremely violent person
26:41who did not even want to steal,
26:43from what we have understood so far.
26:45No, it seems that someone hired him as a hitman.
26:51Well, that's why.
26:52Now there will be an investigation.
26:54I don't know.
26:55Now I don't want to refer to that
26:57because there is a prosecutor who is investigating.
26:59I want to be respectful.
27:01The police immediately arrested the accused.
27:04And well, that's what we live.
27:07In a context where violence grows,
27:11impulsive, I would tell you,
27:14of intrafamilial aggressions.
27:17We had 12 homicides in January.
27:19We had yesterday, how they set fire to the canoes,
27:22the place where those women lived.
27:25The truth is that it is an unusual situation of violence
27:29that has nothing to do with theft,
27:31in this case, or with drug trafficking.
27:33They are like different situations.
27:35On the one hand, there is crime and theft.
27:38In this case, the testimony that the victim gives
27:41says that, well, the man was looking at him,
27:43he was marking him, and he went to stab him.
27:48It's not that he was an ex-convict.
27:51This has to be investigated by a prosecutor.
27:53Hopefully it will be investigated soon.
27:55That's why, out of respect for the victims,
27:58I'm not going to refer to the situation.
28:01Clearly, it was not a situation of theft.
28:04It was an interpersonal aggression situation,
28:07to which, unfortunately, later,
28:09several ran to stop him.
28:11And this person, who pulled out a knife,
28:14imagine what that level of fight means
28:20in the prison units.
28:22He stabbed him seven times.
28:25A barbarity.
28:27A barbarity that does not fit in anyone's head.
28:29Sure.
28:30But there is also this situation
28:32where people feel that they are, in many cases,
28:36defenseless, and they themselves run to someone
28:40and expose themselves.
28:41Unfortunately, that would have to be
28:44articulated by the State.
28:46In this case, the police.
28:48There are security cameras in the area.
28:50A civilian who is going to expose himself
28:52to a situation like this.
28:53Of course.
28:54And in many cases, what we hear as journalists
28:57is that people are, I don't know if people,
29:00but many neighbors of the Conurbano Bonaerense
29:03feel intimidated and also feel
29:06that there is a situation of impunity.
29:09They feel as if they are unprotected.
29:13I don't know who the people are,
29:15or how many people, or the neighbors.
29:17What I can transmit is that I live in the Conurbano,
29:19my family is in the Conurbano,
29:20my friends live in the Conurbano,
29:22and I talk to everyone,
29:24and that situation is understandable,
29:26those perceptions.
29:28What I can tell you, Rolando knows,
29:3186% of the 810 homicides were resolved
29:35in less than 24 hours.
29:37This one too.
29:38So, that impunity in the case of homicides is not there.
29:42We are one of the provinces
29:44with the highest level of crime clarification.
29:47Last year we had 304 armed clashes
29:50of the police with the criminals.
29:53That means that the police arrive with the patrol
29:55when the criminals are robbing,
29:57or they crash them when they are patrolling.
29:59Today we saw, all of you saw,
30:01the cameras, the pursuit of the patrol
30:04in Avellaneda, which crossed the capital
30:06because it frustrated a robbery of a car.
30:08The boy in the car and the other day
30:10who frustrated the robbery and ended up
30:12beating two criminals,
30:14all linked to the attack of the city police.
30:17So, I think there can be many opinions,
30:21all are respectable,
30:23I understand those issues,
30:25but when it comes to thinking about state policy
30:27and public policy,
30:29we have to cling to the statistics.
30:31Statistics that are made,
30:33not by the executive power,
30:35but by an autonomous body,
30:37the Provincial Police of Buenos Aires,
30:39like the Prosecutor's Office.
30:41Every time a complaint is made to the police station,
30:43in real time, no one interferes.
30:45I mean, at the same time that the computer
30:47is sent to the Ministry,
30:49it is sent to the Prosecutor's Office.
30:51Homicides are counted in the Prosecutor's Office.
30:54Every time 911 is called,
30:56every mayor receives the 911 alert
30:59in his municipality and evaluates
31:01how long it takes for the patrol to arrive.
31:03Each municipality checks
31:05where each patrolman is.
31:07We have 666,000 crossings in the urban area,
31:11666,000 crossings.
31:13So, we don't want to transfer
31:15the model of the city,
31:17which has a little less than 11,000 crossings,
31:19to the model of the urban area,
31:21which has 666,000 crossings,
31:23because it is unviable.
31:25So, we have to be serious
31:27when analyzing a policy,
31:29because we can't appropriate
31:31the pain of the victims
31:33to evaluate the policy.
31:35We have to respect the pain of the victim.
31:37The only thing that causes that pain
31:39is to ratify our commitment
31:41to continue working
31:43to mitigate this situation
31:45and then be clear
31:47that we don't work with a piece of wood.
31:49We work with society,
31:51with a society that is getting more and more violent.
31:53Because, if you look at it,
31:55more than 60% of the homicides
31:57occurred among people who knew each other.
31:59We had 12 homicides,
32:01we have bank adjustments between gangs,
32:03which is a narco issue,
32:05and we were working very well
32:07So, the situation is complex,
32:09where the mental health situation is aggravated,
32:11and we have to evaluate
32:13that there are things that the police have to solve,
32:15and others that have to be solved
32:17by other social actors.
32:19We have to invest in mental health.
32:21And above all, what we said many times,
32:23we have to evaluate the way
32:25in which we end up releasing people
32:27who are a danger,
32:29because otherwise the collateral damage
32:31to society is displaced.
32:33Xavier, we thank you very much for the contact
32:35Thank you, Rolando.
32:37A hug.
32:39We're going to take a break
32:41when we come back with another attack
32:43related to the surroundings of Patricia Burry.
32:45That's right, Rolando.
32:47In a few minutes, we're going to tell you
32:49about the attempt to rob a guard
32:51of the Minister of National Security,
32:53who had to repel the attack,
32:55chasing the criminals
32:57seven blocks
32:59and firing several shots
33:01to be able to stop them.
33:03That's how they stopped him.
33:05In a few minutes, we'll tell you the whole story.