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00:00The Lohan case, new revelations, a shocking turn and Dr. Juan Pablo Gallego, who is here on the floor of EDM, is convinced that the situation, that the alleged crime is clarified. Now we talk to him.
00:30The Lohan case, new revelations, a shocking turn and Dr. Juan Pablo Gallego, who is here on the floor of EDM, is convinced that the situation, that the alleged crime is clarified.
01:00Can you tell us what happened to him?
01:02Yes, well, indeed, Marina, I remember that we spoke the first days when I had to choose and enter a cause that was absolutely a disaster.
01:10I think that this is a job, really, it went from that disaster, it was a legal job, I think, really very, very, very strong.
01:17It was also worked on in January. The kidnappers are all, not only detained, but processed with a specific imputation.
01:25And we have reconstructed the fact as such. We have returned to zone 0, we have left and run from those theories, which was the Medellín poster, which was Sinaloa, which was the Tata of I don't know what.
01:37This was much simpler and it is reconstructed, it is reconstructed because there are phone calls, there are phone calls, there are videos, even a lot of material that the journalism brought.
01:47That is, there was a work of destruction with false theories, but well, in particular, here we believe that there was a previous meeting with the same people, where we understand that in some way it is precariously reconciled.
02:02In the famous lunch in the house of Loan's grandmother, where Loan falls by chance, let's say.
02:08Exactly. Previous days, the same people, without Loan and without the father, meet in that house and we understand that there, in some way, this of committing a crime against a minor begins to emerge, which then unfortunately falls on Loan, who appears at the last moment in that lunch.
02:24Juan Pablo, did you say that they meet in the same house?
02:26Indeed.
02:27That is, they meet in the house of the grandmother.
02:29In the house of the grandmother Catalina, yes.
02:31The good Catalina, then she would have to be in prison.
02:33Look, I'm going to be frank with you, from the analysis and being within the cause, I, out of the cause, and we have talked with you, Martín, I was not a person who would cause me, at first glance, an impression.
02:46Here, who I see as a coordinator, and even used Catalina's phone, is her daughter Laudelina, Loan's aunt and great responsible, great organizer of everything.
02:58Doctor, to make it clear to the people, in this hypothesis that they are handling now, what they believe is that there was a previous lunch at the house of the grandmother Catalina, that there Laudelina served as an organizer of a situation, and the situation, you correct me, is that Ramírez, Ramírez, who, remember, arrested, Ramírez is still arrested.
03:20Neighbor.
03:21The neighbor, Ramírez, would have been the one who gave Loan to Pérez Icaillaba.
03:27Icaillaba.
03:28It is reconstructed and partially filmed. Loan appears at that lunch, sitting at the table of the adults, Miyapi, Ramírez's wife, removes him first to what is seen in the park of the grandmother.
03:39Remember, counselor, right?
03:41Indeed.
03:42Miyapi, yes, yes.
03:44It is a public official.
03:45No, no, I mean Icaillaba.
03:48It is good, yesterday I met someone at the house who was known to these people, they told me, they were the owners, they were the owners of that city, Pérez and Icaillaba.
03:55So, in particular, Mrs. Miyapi, first brings him closer to what would be the park, and then leads him to the orange grove, which is an initiative of Benítez.
04:04Benítez, Laudelina's husband.
04:06Exactly.
04:07As Miyapi and Ramírez had planned to participate in the crime, but did not know, Laudelina herself guides them to the orange grove, accompanied by Camila, who is Loan's cousin.
04:18This is videotaped and has it in America, and they are files that we have used.
04:22Now, doctor, sorry, if the hypothesis is clear, where is Loan?
04:28Well, he is looking for him, we are going to find him.
04:32We believe that not only there was no time to get him out of the way, but probably there was no intention to get him out of the way either.
04:40But due to the times they give, the phone calls and the arrests, there is also a call that is very particular.
04:46I close the sequence.
04:48But could Loan still be inside, alive, in this situation?
04:52That is, with a country looking for this child?
04:55In the conditions in which he is, we are going to find him, and I understand that it will be in current.
05:00The country, unfortunately, those first 100 days, where we saw drones, helicopters, hydrant trucks, was unfortunately part of something absolutely failed, without any kind of direction, and with many people bothering.
05:14No, well, there are 113 children who are lost, disappeared in our country.
05:19The face of Loan has the whole of Argentina in its head.
05:22I understand, we can discuss the efforts in the search, but there is no day that we journalists do not receive a message on Twitter, I don't know what.
05:31Why aren't they talking about Loan on television, if Loan hasn't appeared yet?
05:35Indeed, and I think it is a topic that worries a lot, and that is going to be resolved.
05:40And of course, let's see, Marino Pérez is a person, not of intelligence, of counterintelligence.
05:45Who took him for sexual purposes, according to a doctor what you say.
05:49We understand that this happens, and I tell you why.
05:53There was a call, which before was not considered, which is when they simulate or say, Loan is lost, unusual thing.
05:58I was with my Japi, Ramírez, four orders, you can't go and not know where it went.
06:03Ramírez disappears completely from the scene.
06:07They invent the search, there is a phone call, Audelina says, he's lost.
06:11But in the middle of that he got lost, Ramírez disappears completely, Pérez and Cailava leave with their truck.
06:17And when the time passes, more than necessary, Audelina begins to call Cailava.
06:23She says, when do they return?
06:25With the conviction that sooner or later he had to return.
06:29Because in his theory, doctor, this is a plan that all those who are detained with different degrees of participation.
06:36Where Ramírez is a slave, because he is the one who adopts the boy, the husband of my Japi.
06:41Correct.
06:42And well, Pérez and Cailava would have been the depositors of the child for some form of sexual abuse.
06:49This is his hypothesis.
06:51Several hours later, they just reappear.
06:53Well, Ramírez appears in a very strange state, his clothes and others.
06:57And several hours later they appear in the truck, Pérez and Cailava, with Pérez bathed and changed.
07:04So it seems quite clear.
07:06Pablo, I'm sorry, I want to say something that has caught my attention from the beginning.
07:10According to this theory that LOAN has never come out of currents.
07:14Yes.
07:15When one does the reconstruction and analysis of the situation, we are talking about 7 people,
07:21most of them semi-illiterate, in a very small town called 9 de Julio.
07:28They deceived the intelligence of a country, all the federal forces, the provincial forces.
07:34And the boy was in the province of Currents and never came out.
07:38Or we actually have 7 guys who are also illiterate, they are experts in crime.
07:43Or we have a lot, but a lot of incompetence or connivence.
07:47Sorry, I respect you, Juan Pablo, the affection and respect that I have for you.
07:52It does not close me that these people who can barely speak, who do not know how to communicate,
07:56have deceived everyone in a small town that must have, how many? 5,000 inhabitants, 10,000 inhabitants.
08:01And can I add something?
08:02It does not close me.
08:03And that no one has broken in this time.
08:04It does not close me.
08:05And that no one has broken.
08:06No one broke.
08:07As you say, connivence, absolute incompetence, when the forces were,
08:12they were not under the direction of anyone.
08:14And it was never sought, because here, about this band,
08:16then other bands are created, but they have nothing to do with that band of origin.
08:20The band of the American, the band of Vera, the band of ...
08:24Are you talking about bands?
08:25Yes, the alleged cover-ups or those who forced the testimonies of the children in the Gestel Chamber.
08:30Apart, of course.
08:31They would have influenced.
08:32I do not come here to make a hypothesis like the dozens of hypotheses that were ventilated.
08:37I come with a self-processing, in which these facts are concretely proven,
08:42with the degree of certainty that the instance imposes,
08:44these people are going to go to an oral trial, they are going to be sentenced,
08:47and probably for more serious crimes.
08:49This is not a theory that occurs to me, reconstructing.
08:52Yes, I say that much of the disastrous that was done,
08:56is saved by technological issues with which we are working.
09:00And here, speaking of the disastrous that was done,
09:02the figure of Commissioner Maciel also appears,
09:05in the discovery of the boot, in the fact of fraying everything that was
09:10to settle the diligence in the police station.
09:13That is also part of the same plan.
09:15Maciel is also involved, the commissioner.
09:17Who was the commissioner? Is he involved in this operation?
09:20This is a key question to close the conversation with what Martín brought.
09:24Why? Who would have been interested in Maciel covering up,
09:29in the case of a simple crime, of one of these Lumpens,
09:32who would have been interested?
09:34Pérez, who was the owner of the town.
09:35Pérez and Cayllaba.
09:36So, indeed.
09:37So, this is what Maciel does.
09:39Let's see, there is a fact that later went unnoticed.
09:41In the first days, Maciel puts him in the truck,
09:45to Benítez, to make him confess, and checks the virile member.
09:49In fact, we counted that.
09:52We showed the document, there was a list of about 50 points,
09:55and one said that it was an exam to the virile member of the uncle of Loan,
09:59that caught our attention.
10:01And as a result of that, I ask you,
10:02did you find any concrete evidence of a possible sexual abuse?
10:06Concrete, I say, I do not say presumption and what he said.
10:09Concrete.
10:10The hypothesis is introduced by this conduct of Maciel,
10:14and the subsequent reconstruction of which I am talking to you.
10:17Precisely, this is done to cover a crime,
10:19which later was not necessary to cover it,
10:21because later, when these shames came from the American,
10:23from Vera and others, they put together a bigger parody,
10:25then the impunity was total.
10:27But that's why I ask you, Juan Pablo, I say,
10:29the crime they cover is because you are convinced,
10:34and you think it was, or is there any proof to say,
10:37well, one of these guys sexually abused Loan,
10:39and for wanting to cover that, they made him disappear.
10:43Is there a concrete proof, or is it a presumption?
10:45The categorical proof is Article 146,
10:48subtraction and concealment.
10:49These seven people are at hand,
10:51they will be sentenced by Article 146.
10:53If this aggravating fact is also tested,
10:55we will be facing a greater penalty.
10:57They are already impeached, Doctor.
10:58Of course, they are impeached and prosecuted.
11:00And arrested.
11:01And arrested.
11:02And the cover-ups too.
11:03Comodoro Pia has just confirmed the arrest of the American.
11:06Let's briefly explain who the American is,
11:09because if not, it's like one is losing the threads of history,
11:13and here there was a band or two bands with exes,
11:17who at the time took the children
11:20and a good part of the witnesses of this case,
11:23they kept them in a hotel,
11:25and the presumption of the court is that
11:28they would have put ideas in the heads of the boys
11:30to declare, the second time in the Hessel Chamber.
11:33Do you remember when they said,
11:34no, there was a hood, it was a white hood,
11:36no, it was a black hood,
11:38just to confuse, muddy the field
11:41and cover up the real criminals.
11:43Indeed.
11:44And these facts that you just told,
11:46the cover-up is already approved with the certainty imposed
11:49by the Federal Chamber of Cassation in Comodoro Pia.
11:51Federal Judge of Goya, Federal Chamber of Currents,
11:54Federal Chamber of Cassation in Comodoro Pia.
11:56In other words, we have done a job of legal engineering
11:59that I think, well, it was unthinkable.
12:03Now, Doctor, also going back a little to what Martin raised,
12:06it is too much cover-up for Pérez y Caillaba.
12:10Not at all.
12:11An army officer retired, a retired sailor,
12:16I don't know what his rank was,
12:18she was a municipal official,
12:20but they were not the great spheres of politics either.
12:22That's why...
12:23It's not just Maciel, here the network of cover-up
12:26is also, well, the whole Vera issue
12:29and the whole issue of lawyers with exes
12:32and also, well, the American.
12:34Exactly, you have two additional factors
12:36to the initial band.
12:38One, that the national journalism falls quickly,
12:40very important mobile phones, from TN, from America,
12:43where they are quickly in the territory
12:45and they even begin to produce evidence.
12:47Some of them have been cited with the best mood,
12:51they have contributed elements.
12:53Cristian Balbo, from this channel,
12:54a person who made an exceptional coverage.
12:56So, the national media is present.
12:59And on the other hand, this band of bullies comes down,
13:01that when I quote this man Vera,
13:04he confesses that they had set up a chat
13:06that they directed to the national media,
13:08from which they invented these false hypotheses
13:11and that what they wanted to do was something like dreams,
13:13the film Dreams of Freedom,
13:15where the American and he were a kind of...
13:17This is what happened, Maria,
13:18this is the biggest nonsense in history.
13:20This had never happened,
13:22added to a case where everyone,
13:25and in every corner, everyone invented their theory.
13:28Of course, if the lawyers invented it,
13:29if the experts invented it,
13:30if they invented...
13:31Then we said, let's finish with the nonsense,
13:33let's go to...
13:34But you are going blank on black.
13:36I am shocked, Martín,
13:37because in the strongest hypothesis today,
13:39Ramírez Copta, Aloan,
13:41Ramírez, the husband of Miyapi,
13:43a friend of the family, let's say,
13:45Laudelina appears as a facilitator in this plan.
13:49And here I ask you about Benítez,
13:51about Laudelina's husband,
13:53a man who had a glassy behavior from minute zero,
13:57who appeared without a shirt,
13:59who grabbed the motorcycle,
14:00who said he was going to charge naphtha,
14:01that they were short of batteries for the flashlight.
14:03Nothing was understood, what Benítez said.
14:05And Laudelina herself sent him down a train,
14:07when she said,
14:08Oh, what my husband did, all suspicious.
14:10Weird, all weird.
14:11It is that this is a lumpen group,
14:13that if the Vera and the Americans had not appeared,
14:15and the national media,
14:16he would have ended up,
14:17he was today in prison for abuse,
14:19with or without evidence,
14:20Benítez, with 20 years in prison,
14:22and the case would have ended like this.
14:24This was what was naturally going to happen,
14:26with Maciel covering Pérez and Cailava.
14:28We could think that Laudelina,
14:30Maciel,
14:31Maciel was paid to point the cannons at Benítez,
14:34and leave Pérez and Cailava free of guilt.
14:37Yes, they paid him.
14:38That is, Pérez was the boss of 9 July,
14:41he did not need to pay him.
14:42Yes, Pérez could pay these people,
14:45Laudelina,
14:46or these people,
14:47who is capable of delivering a nephew,
14:49or make a complete disaster.
14:51Sorry, but there is something that does not close me.
14:53Because, I say,
14:54the one who organizes everything,
14:55according to what Juan Pablo said,
14:56is Laudelina,
14:57the one who organizes everything.
14:59But in reality, the boss was Pérez,
15:01that is, who reported who there.
15:03And then I add what Marina said,
15:05I say, Pérez and Cailava,
15:06nor were they the current governors,
15:08I say,
15:09he was a councilman and a sailor from a small town like that,
15:12who did not care about anyone,
15:13as if there was a great coverage.
15:15Sorry, but I understand that there are things
15:17that do not close me at this point.
15:18It is that, Martin, I tell you again,
15:19when you go from the micro to the macro,
15:21this was one more fact that could happen,
15:23like so many others.
15:24Correct.
15:25As a great movie was set up,
15:28evil people appear,
15:30covering up to do their own business,
15:32to invent a story that did not happen.
15:34Who are the evil people that appear?
15:36Who are the evil people?
15:37It seems impossible to me that today society
15:39creates something of what happened here,
15:41until the child appears.
15:43We have seen this governor tweeting
15:46and talking about this situation,
15:48and it is a justice that, for now,
15:50did not say or solve much.
15:52You said that, in a previous note,
15:55that the child is with Pérez.
15:57No, no, I say that Pérez is the one who knows
16:00and drew the child.
16:02Well, that's why I looked for the text,
16:05because that was precisely what surprised me.
16:08And the text phrase that says
16:10in a radio interview is
16:12the child would be under the retention
16:14of Carlos Pérez.
16:16So, if he is under the retention,
16:18Carlos Pérez has him at this moment,
16:20the child, anyway, but he has him.
16:23Let's see, he is under the sphere
16:25of power of Pérez.
16:26Pérez has been detained for months.
16:28Evidently, if there was a negative episode
16:31for which the child could not return,
16:34I understand that yes, of course,
16:36that he knows more than he says.
16:38In fact, the justice is aiming
16:40to look in the segments
16:42that are close to Pérez.
16:44Are they looking for him alive?
16:46In the conditions in which he is.
16:48But Pérez is not either, sorry,
16:51we have to close.
16:53I don't know, I just say this,
16:55but Pérez is not either, I don't know,
16:57I don't want to say last name,
16:59but he was not the head
17:01of the intelligence of Argentina.
17:03But Martín, I agree with you.
17:05Sometimes it is not necessary so much.
17:07This is a case of lumpenage,
17:09where a living person of a certain
17:11political power in a small town
17:13committed a crime and benefited
17:15with a few pesos to five lumpens.
17:17He turned into all this
17:19with the issue of justice.
17:21I tell you with all clarity.
17:23Today the court is acting.
17:25There are three prosecutors.
17:27There are two prosecutors of Comodoro Pi
17:29and a federal prosecutor of Corrientes.
17:31There is a federal hunting chamber
17:33here in Buenos Aires that is
17:35controlling and invalidating
17:37the acts on which we are working.
17:39Today we are not in the circus
17:41in which we were.
17:43We are working and we are going ...
17:45You are convinced that there will be
17:47no justice.
17:49Unfortunately, he was convicted
17:51for sexual abuse and he should
17:53have been returned and the
17:55situation was out of his hands.
17:57This is what I read from what
17:59you tell us, Dr. Gallego.
18:01Thank you for coming.
18:03Thank you very much.