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Hamid Khan says 'Imran Khan has not yet made a final decision regarding civil disobedience'
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Maiman and today's top story is that civil disobedience has been
00:15announced.
00:16Imran Khan's sister has announced on the media today that civil disobedience will start from
00:23tomorrow unless there is no progress.
00:26We will talk about this in the first semester of the program.
00:29Today, 25 accused have been given punishments.
00:32How to interpret these punishments for Tehrik-e-Insaf, we will ask this question.
00:38Hamid Khan will be with us.
00:40After that, let's talk to the Ameer-e-Sharafiya of a poor country.
00:44This week, some such news has been published in different newspapers.
00:48You will not feel that we are living in a poor country.
00:51How is this country's decency systematically rewarded and will continue to be rewarded?
00:56Let's start the program.
00:57PTI has announced today that civil disobedience has been announced.
01:01Imran Khan spoke to the sisters.
01:03He said that no serious intent has been seen by the government yet.
01:07Neither has the Negotiating Committee been announced.
01:10Civil disobedience has been announced from tomorrow.
01:13The legal channel will not send the details of the civil disobedience.
01:17Aleema Khan came out and gave an account of this conversation.
01:20Please have a look.
01:22Imran Khan said that he has no intention at all to have this conversation.
01:26The two demands of Imran Khan, we did not get any indication that these demands want to talk about it.
01:34Therefore, on Sunday, the process of not sending remittances to Pakistan will be started.
01:42If they come to talk about these two demands,
01:45then Imran Khan says that he will withdraw the call of Pakistan not to send these remittances.
01:53Throughout, the government has been saying to have a dialogue.
01:56Now, when the Justice Committee has been formed for dialogue,
01:59the government says that first we will take all stakeholders on board, including Mukhtadara.
02:03Now, the government wants to have a dialogue with Mukhtadara,
02:07about whom they used to say that they do not have a role in politics,
02:11so they should not be included in the conversation.
02:14So, the government has taken a U-turn in its perspective.
02:19But why this committee has not been formed?
02:22Because this week, I saw that Mukhtadara repeatedly said that
02:26if not today, then tomorrow, if not on Friday, then on Thursday night,
02:30till the return of the Prime Minister, this committee will be formed.
02:33But that committee has not been formed.
02:35The Speaker himself has claimed this. Please have a look.
02:38Whoever we have to request, be it the government, or the ministers,
02:42or the Prime Minister, or the Chief Minister, or the President,
02:46we will request them to form a committee.
02:49Once the committee is formed, the day the dialogue starts, the path will be paved.
02:53The Speaker has spoken to the Prime Minister today.
02:56So, I have an idea that some progress will be made in a day or two.
03:01I am expecting the formation of the committee tomorrow,
03:04or by the end of this week, it is expected that the committee will be formed on our behalf.
03:11Right now, the issue is not just about the formation of the committee.
03:14This is also a debate after that, who will do it first?
03:17If the committee is formed, will the opposition reach out to the government,
03:20or should the government reach out?
03:22In this regard, what does the Speaker's National Assembly say? Please listen.
03:26We cannot catch people and say, come, I will get it done.
03:29If they want to come, then we will not say no.
03:32We will facilitate them.
03:35Tehreek-e-Nizam understands that since it is the duty of the government
03:38to formally launch the negotiations,
03:41it is their responsibility to contact them first.
03:45If their office is present, then they should contact them.
03:49We have formed a committee and said that we have formed a committee.
03:52Whoever wants to talk, should talk to this committee.
03:55And this is what we will start. No one will go from our side. This is what has happened.
03:58Imran Khan has formed a negotiation team.
04:00The government is not serious.
04:02The people in power have not allowed Imran Khan to enter Adyana Jail.
04:08A while ago, Barrister Gauhar Khan spoke to the media outside the Assembly
04:13and said that today he has contacted the Speaker's National Assembly.
04:16The Speaker's National Assembly has assured that this committee will be formed.
04:21And it will be formed tomorrow.
04:23So, Barrister Gauhar Khan is confident that this committee will be formed by tomorrow.
04:27Negotiations are the only solution.
04:29We have already said that a committee should be formed for political issues.
04:34Hopefully, by today or tomorrow, a committee will be formed.
04:39The Speaker has requested and the Speaker has said that hopefully, a committee will be formed.
04:45Senator Hamid Khan is with us in the program.
04:48He is the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
04:49He is an expert in law.
04:50Thank you very much, Hamid Khan, for joining us.
04:52We are getting news that the government has said that tomorrow they will announce a negotiating committee.
05:00Do you still think that this is not their intention?
05:08Look, my conclusion is that this is not their intention.
05:12The way we see the development after 9-8 February,
05:18especially the 26th amendment,
05:21the way it has been brought,
05:23the way people have been kidnapped,
05:25people have been forcibly abducted,
05:26their children have been abducted,
05:28they have been terrorized,
05:30they have been greedy,
05:31they have fulfilled the numbers with difficulty,
05:34it is obvious that they do not have good intentions.
05:37Anyway, Mr. Gauhar thinks that they will bring it, so let's see.
05:42Because no one should say that we did not try
05:46that if something can be decided through jokes, then do it.
05:50Who stops?
05:52In this regard, we do not want to say that they did not try.
05:57Now the ball is in your court.
06:00You have to do what you have to do.
06:02PTI is an oppressed party.
06:04All the leadership of PTI is oppressed,
06:08which has been illegally imprisoned.
06:13From the chairman to the important leaders of our party,
06:20all of them are being oppressed in front of you.
06:25So now, as Mr. Rana Sinhaullah was saying on behalf of the Speaker,
06:30that they are in contact with your party.
06:32Is this right?
06:33Are the PTI people in contact with the Speaker
06:36regarding the practice of this committee or negotiations?
06:40I do not have any information in this regard.
06:44Okay.
06:45So, if the committee is not announced,
06:48then it means that the matter will go towards civil disobedience.
06:51Do you see it going in this direction?
06:55Look, if these routes are closed,
06:58then some or the other action will be taken.
07:03Anyway, what will happen,
07:06Mr. Imran Khan will decide
07:09with his colleagues after the negotiations.
07:14And that will be the path of civil disobedience.
07:17Because he has been able to say this again and again.
07:20Will this be a wise political choice?
07:23It could be.
07:26I do not want to comment on this now
07:29because they have not announced a decision yet.
07:33But will this be a wise decision?
07:38You can comment on this.
07:43Look, I am not in favor of this.
07:47Because the matters should go on.
07:50This should not be a big loss for the country.
07:53Keeping this in mind,
07:56Mr. Khan put this in a dilemma.
08:01And thinking that if these matters can be resolved
08:06through mutual consultation and dialogue,
08:09then it is better than putting the country under this test.
08:13But if the matters continue to deteriorate,
08:16as can be seen,
08:18as the military courts have decided today,
08:21it seems that this government,
08:24especially the establishment government,
08:26is nothing.
08:27They are just puppets in front of them.
08:30So the real power is not ready to give PTI any leeway.
08:38Right.
08:39And who is this government committee going to announce this discussion?
08:44Because they are repeatedly saying that all parties will be on board.
08:47If they are talking about the announcement of the committee,
08:50if the Speaker is talking about contact,
08:52then it means that somewhere the desire for engagement is on the other side.
08:56Don't you think this is a serious desire?
08:58This is a political face-saving.
09:03So far, we have seen that this is not just a political statement.
09:10They themselves know that their government is not a legitimate government.
09:15And they are not serious about politics.
09:19Because for that, two or three basic conference building measures are required.
09:25From which they have run away.
09:27One is that the decision of the Supreme Court on July 12,
09:31which is still in the field,
09:33which is the decision of the Supreme Court,
09:37in which PTI has been given a reserve seat,
09:41in the Subai and National Assembly.
09:44But so far, it has been going on for about six months.
09:48There is no progress on this.
09:50In my opinion, if the government is really serious,
09:53then they should first act on the decision of the Supreme Court.
09:58This is what the Speaker has repeatedly written to the Election Commission,
10:03that you should not act on the decision of the Supreme Court.
10:06This is a different thing that I understand legally.
10:08That man has broken the law.
10:10And tomorrow, there should be a case of Article 6,
10:13which says, sitting in the Speaker's office,
10:17that you ignore the decision of the Supreme Court.
10:20And a legal institution should stop him from acting on the decision of the Supreme Court.
10:31What can you expect from this person,
10:34who does not even understand that it is his duty to act on the decision of the Supreme Court.
10:40They had stopped him.
10:42And they had stopped him because they wanted him to amend Article 26.
10:46And the way they have done it,
10:48they have done it in front of the entire nation.
10:50So, Mr. Hamid Khan, what is the purpose of the discussion committee that you are making?
10:57Because you did not act on the decision,
10:59and you did not see any seriousness from them.
11:02And the government cannot give you what you want.
11:05You cannot give the government what you want, or the Supreme Court.
11:08So, what is the purpose of the discussion?
11:12Look, this is a discussion on their behalf.
11:15However, these statements were coming from the current government.
11:21This is just a bluff call.
11:24PTI said, okay, do the discussion.
11:27They had been saying for so many months that you do not need to do the demonstration, etc.
11:33You do the discussion.
11:35These statements were coming from the government,
11:37from their various ministers, various representatives.
11:40Now, when they have actually been offered this,
11:43they are running away.
11:45In every way, they are trying to get away from their offer.
11:50After the formation of these committees, there is another debate.
11:53That is, who will take the first step?
11:55Who will approach whom first?
11:57Who should approach the other person first for the demonstration?
12:00Tariq-e-Insaf says, the government should do it.
12:02The government says, the Tariq-e-Insaf committee should do it.
12:04Whose initiative should this be?
12:08This proposal has always been coming from the government for many months.
12:12That you should adopt the method of demonstration.
12:15You should not adopt the method of protest.
12:18Their ministers repeatedly say the same thing.
12:21Instead of protest, you should adopt the method of demonstration.
12:24Okay, we have said that you should adopt the method of demonstration.
12:28So, they have taken the initiative.
12:30Now, they should take the initiative ahead.
12:32That yes, how will we do the demonstration?
12:35What will you do for confidence building first?
12:39So that we pay attention to this.
12:42Yes, this time the government is serious about the demonstrations.
12:47Otherwise, until the basic confidence building measures are taken,
12:52there is no point in talking in the air.
12:55I said this because, according to me,
12:58the first confidence building measure is the Supreme Court's decision on 12th July.
13:07If the government takes the first confidence building measure,
13:10then their political survival will be in danger.
13:12Your first two demands are to make a judicial commission
13:16and release the prisoners.
13:19But the government has not yet given a positive or strong answer on both.
13:24So, it seems that all your conditions will not be met.
13:28What can be the bare minimum?
13:30If you want to see the intent of the demonstrations,
13:33apart from these two, can there be a bare minimum?
13:36Or will you consider these two demands to be valid only when these two demands are met?
13:43Look, these two demands are very legitimate.
13:48The case of 9th May and the case of 8th February,
13:51the judicial commission should be appointed in both these cases.
13:55And the judicial commission should do an inquiry and give a report.
13:59This is a fundamental demand.
14:03But I say that when the judicial commission is appointed,
14:07there should be an inquiry.
14:09But the decision on 12th July has already been made.
14:13No one has suspended it.
14:15Only the Supreme Court can suspend it.
14:17Now, it is the decision of the Supreme Court.
14:19If they don't make a report on it,
14:21then I think that this is their biggest opposition.
14:24So, if you really want goodwill to be created,
14:28the seats that are not yours,
14:32even you say that they are ours,
14:34then you should at least get the PTI,
14:36the seats of their national and provincial assemblies,
14:39which are given by the Supreme Court.
14:41You should get them implemented.
14:44Then it will be understood that their government will not go from there.
14:48Neither in the province nor in the centre.
14:50But despite this, they are doing so much reluctance and resistance in this matter.
14:55They are doing it unilaterally.
14:57So, what can we expect from them?
14:59But Mr. Centre, the government understands that
15:01if Mr. Imran Khan comes out,
15:03then it will be difficult for the government.
15:05They will leave.
15:06They said that we should give them all the political space.
15:08We should go to the jails ourselves,
15:10by expelling Mr. Imran Khan.
15:12So, they understand that if Mr. Khan comes out,
15:14then it will not be easy for the government to stay here.
15:17Is this their correct assessment?
15:22Look, this is an excuse.
15:24How can they say that they will go to jail by the time he comes out?
15:28That is a process.
15:30If there are cases pending against them,
15:32then according to that, there will be a prosecution.
15:35But their fear is that the public has such a strong following of Imran Khan
15:41that by the time Imran Khan comes out,
15:43the situation might be out of their control.
15:46So, they are making all kinds of excuses for this.
15:50Although, this is not necessary.
15:52Mr. Imran Khan, if you present a good case,
15:57in which you release Mr. Imran Khan
15:59and our other political prisoners,
16:04then you create a better environment in which the matter can move forward.
16:08When you are not ready to create this environment,
16:12then what do you expect in that case?
16:14How will the investigation move forward?
16:16But Mr. Senator, there will be a quid pro quo.
16:18If the government accepts your demands,
16:20then you will also have to give them political answers.
16:24And that will be,
16:25which system should be accepted,
16:27which system should be allowed to run,
16:29and which system should be lightly opposed.
16:31But for now, don't try to bring this system down.
16:33Apart from this, what do they want from you?
16:35Is this what they want?
16:36Is it possible to give this to you politically?
16:41Look, we have never refused.
16:43Look, we have already taken the legal and legal path.
16:47When we have fought a legal battle for our reserve seats,
16:52which is our right,
16:54you are not even ready to give it to them,
16:56despite the Supreme Court's verdict.
16:58In this way, we have always said that
17:00you should release our political prisoners,
17:04so that a good environment can be created.
17:06And then the third step,
17:08actually the people who are scared,
17:10they think that they know that we have lost in the elections.
17:14If the right tribunals are appointed,
17:16and the elections are held soon,
17:18then it is possible that our seats will be lost,
17:21and the government that we have formed in the state,
17:24and in the central government,
17:26that government will not be able to survive.
17:28They are scared.
17:29But Mr. Hamid, these are all your demands,
17:31that there should be justice,
17:33that there should be transparency in the elections.
17:35These are all your demands.
17:37But the government also has demands.
17:39They want this system to be accepted.
17:41Politically,
17:42what will you give to the government in these negotiations?
17:44You have to meet middle in middle way.
17:46It will not be that all the things will be accepted by you,
17:49or all the things will be accepted by them.
17:51You will have to give something too.
17:53What kind of justice can they give in these negotiations?
17:55We have nothing that is not in accordance with the law and order.
18:00All their talks are unlawful.
18:02They know that we have lost.
18:04They know that they have no legitimacy.
18:06This is neither a legitimate prime minister,
18:08nor a legitimate cabinet.
18:10But in spite of this,
18:12we have worked with open heartedness.
18:14We have said, okay,
18:16the process of law should go according to that.
18:19Take decisions from the Supreme Court,
18:21take decisions from the tribunals.
18:23There is no concession from them in this.
18:26This is a requirement of law and order,
18:29that you get election decisions from the tribunals.
18:34So, why don't you let that happen?
18:37Because they have a thief in their hearts.
18:39They know that they are sitting unlawfully.
18:41They have lost.
18:43The day there is justice,
18:45they will lose all their seats.
18:48The case of £190 million,
18:50is there any hope that Peer will get a decision on that?
18:53Are you expecting that Peer will get a decision?
18:57It will be a big deal if this decision is based on justice.
19:00Otherwise, we have no threat from them.
19:03Then we will have to go to the same High Court and Supreme Court.
19:06Earlier, we used to get relief from the High Court and Supreme Court.
19:09These poor trial court judges can't do anything.
19:12These decisions to be taken in the courts,
19:15to be taken on the streets,
19:17or on the negotiating table,
19:19Mr. Khan, as a result of which,
19:21will they be able to come out?
19:24Look, the thing is that
19:26ultimately, decisions are not to be taken by the judiciary.
19:29When you have prepared a case,
19:31or you take the case back,
19:33that can be done by the executive.
19:35When you have prepared an illegal case,
19:37you can withdraw it and end the matter.
19:39But, since this hasn't happened yet,
19:41then, inevitably,
19:43these decisions will be taken in the courts.
19:45These cases will be taken in the courts.
19:47Then they will decide.
19:49So, they have to get relief from the courts,
19:51they will get it on the streets,
19:53from the street movement,
19:55or do you think they will get it from the negotiating table?
19:57Because all these things are connected.
19:59The decisions of the courts are closely linked to the politics of the country.
20:01What is your assessment?
20:03What will happen eventually?
20:05They also know that we don't have any legitimacy.
20:07We don't have any government.
20:09This government has been made.
20:11It is a fake government.
20:13They know all this.
20:15The problem is with those
20:17who have set up this fake system
20:19after 8 months.
20:21And they want to keep it.
20:23By weakening the Supreme Court,
20:25by weakening the High Court,
20:27the 26th amendment,
20:29which is of the open courts,
20:31and the murder of Adria
20:33and Ain.
20:35So, your intentions
20:37don't seem right.
20:39The assemblies
20:41are mere numbers.
20:43I don't think
20:45they can expect anything good from them.
20:47Thank you very much.
20:49Hamid Khan was with us in the program.
20:51When we come back to the break,
20:53we will take a government perspective.
20:55These negotiations are going on.
20:57According to Hamid Khan,
20:59there will be no achievement.
21:01He has called a bluff of the government.
21:03And there will be no achievement.
21:05We will talk to Mr. Javed Lateef.
21:07We will ask him,
21:09these negotiations are going on.
21:11First, decide whether Tehreek-e-Insaf
21:13is a political party or not.
21:15We will have a flip-flop on this
21:17in PM LN's opinion.
21:19Welcome back.
21:21The series of punishments
21:23for the cases in the military courts
21:25regarding 9th May has begun.
21:2725 convicts have been sentenced
21:29to 2 to 10 years in prison
21:31after completing their court martial.
21:3311 of the 25 convicts
21:35were accused of breaking
21:37the Lahore Court Commander House,
21:39GHQ, Miyawali Base,
21:41Faisalabad ISI office.
21:432 were accused of attacking
21:45Multan Cantt Checkpost
21:47and 5 were accused of attacking
21:49Punjab Regimental Centre, Mardan.
21:51All the convicts have the right
21:53to appeal according to the law
21:55and have the right to appeal.
21:57The ISPR has said in its statement
21:59that complete justice will be served
22:01when the masterminds of 9th May
22:03will be punished according to the law.
22:05On 13th December, 2024,
22:07the 7th bench of the Supreme Court
22:09ordered the military courts
22:11to announce the verdicts
22:13of the cases under investigation.
22:15These verdicts are coming
22:17during the negotiations
22:19between Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
22:21and the government.
22:23Tehreek-e-Insaf has formed
22:25a negotiating committee
22:27and the government says
22:29that they will form
22:31a negotiating committee tomorrow.
22:33As per Gauhar Khan,
22:35the committee has not been formed yet
22:37and there are questions
22:39about its seriousness.
22:41What will be achieved
22:43from this negotiation process?
22:45How serious is it?
22:47Is Nawaz Sharif on board?
22:49There are many questions
22:51about the verdicts of 9th May.
22:53The government and you
22:55have been demanding
22:57the verdicts of 9th May
22:59for a long time.
23:01The process has started
23:03and around 25 people
23:05have received the verdicts.
23:07Do you think this is just the beginning
23:09or will this matter
23:11continue?
23:17Thank you, Maria.
23:19I would like to say that
23:21the case of 9th May
23:23is the same
23:25where the worker
23:27is punished
23:29and his leadership
23:31is not trialled
23:33in the military
23:35course.
23:37What is NRO?
23:39What is facilitation?
23:41The people should be informed.
23:43If I am the one
23:45who is planning
23:47and if someone
23:49makes a mistake
23:51then how can I
23:53be acquitted
23:55or how can I be acquitted?
23:57Either there should be
23:59a pressure of the international forces
24:01or it should be said
24:03that there is
24:05facilitation from within.
24:07Just like on 9th and 10th May
24:09the people sitting inside
24:11were incited to revolt
24:13and you caught
24:15General Faiz Hameed.
24:17But General Faiz Hameed
24:19was not the only planner.
24:21And if you have caught
24:23General Faiz Hameed
24:25twice or thrice
24:27then till now
24:29wherever his supporters
24:31were and
24:33I tell you that
24:35from the protest of 2014
24:37to 2017
24:39the planners
24:41and masterminds
24:43who were all on the same page
24:45were Justice Saqib Nisar,
24:47Imran Khan, General Faiz Hameed
24:49or General Qamar Javed Bajwa.
24:51They were all on the same page.
24:53But Mr. Javed Latif, who is the Prime Minister?
24:55Who is the Prime Minister of the country?
24:57Mr. Shahbaz Sharif.
24:59You have to answer these questions.
25:01You are asking these questions to us.
25:03Now ask the Prime Minister
25:05why this is not happening.
25:07No Maria,
25:09you know
25:11I don't want to
25:13say anything harsh.
25:15But you know
25:17that in 2014
25:19when the protest started
25:21there were two
25:23prominent leaders
25:25of the Jamaat
25:27whose name was Nawaz Sharif.
25:29Then
25:31in such a case
25:33which had no existence
25:35could we have
25:37saved our Prime Minister?
25:39Could the Prime Minister
25:41have saved himself?
25:43Today if you question
25:45that the Prime Minister is yours
25:47and the Jamaat has given the order
25:49then how powerful
25:51will we be?
25:53You don't have to implement anything.
25:55But you can answer the questions.
25:57You are asking the questions to us.
25:59You are asking the questions
26:01to the government.
26:03You can say that these are the questions
26:05and we are helpless and cannot do anything.
26:07This is what we have.
26:09You are asking the questions.
26:11Okay Maria,
26:13if you want to ask me
26:15then I will answer.
26:17Tell me
26:19that people tell us
26:21that you were helpless
26:23even in the government of 2013.
26:25Protests were given in 2014.
26:27Why didn't you leave the government
26:29if you were helpless?
26:31Even being helpless
26:33we ended terrorism in Pakistan.
26:35Even being helpless
26:37we gave the CPEC.
26:39Even being helpless
26:41we ended the load shedding in Pakistan.
26:43Even being helpless
26:45we controlled the inflation.
26:47Even being helpless
26:49we got the lost position of Pakistan.
26:51Despite this
26:53we could not save our government.
26:55Even being innocent
26:57we could not save our Prime Minister.
26:59We gave our sacrifice
27:01but still we did something for the government.
27:03If you ask me
27:05that you are the Prime Minister of today
27:07then tell me
27:09that on 8th February
27:112024
27:13was there a clear majority?
27:15If there was a clear majority
27:17then would the Prime Minister
27:19have been Shabashif?
27:21Would he not have been Katanna?
27:23He would have been the same
27:25who had a Jamaat and who delivered.
27:27People still remember him
27:29from 2013 to 2017.
27:31You know the reality.
27:33I know the reality.
27:35You must have heard
27:37about the negotiations.
27:39Tehreek-e-Insaab has formed a committee
27:41and they have come to the negotiations.
27:43They say that they will negotiate with the politicians.
27:45PMLN says that they will
27:47take Mukhtadara on board
27:49and then we will talk.
27:51These negotiations are being done
27:53with the permission of Nawaz Sharif
27:55upon his request.
27:57Have they agreed to the negotiation process?
27:59Look,
28:01what you are saying
28:03that they should
28:05contact Mukhtadara
28:07if the government is saying so.
28:09As far as I know, I have not heard
28:11about this.
28:13As far as your question is concerned
28:15about the negotiations,
28:17I can give you my opinion.
28:19My opinion is
28:21that it is not possible
28:23that you form a committee
28:25that negotiates with the politicians
28:27and a parallel committee
28:29that leads the
28:31SRA wing
28:33and the head of both the committees
28:35is Mr. Imran Khan.
28:37Who knows which committee
28:39he will finish
28:41and which committee will
28:43take back the authority.
28:45You yourself
28:47said in your program
28:49that they have
28:51announced the
28:53civil disobedience.
28:55The fact is that
28:57the announcement of
28:59civil disobedience
29:01is a bigger crime
29:03than the crime of 9th, 10th,
29:05May or 26th November.
29:07This is an attack on the state.
29:09So, should there be negotiations or not?
29:11Tell me, should there be negotiations
29:13and is Mr. Nawaz Sharif on board
29:15or not?
29:17First of all,
29:19if you allow me to complete this.
29:21I think that
29:23in 2014,
29:25no one was
29:27trying to destroy their community.
29:29Their community was being
29:31subjugated.
29:33At that time, they had no punishment.
29:35At that time, Imran Khan was not in jail.
29:37Why did he announce the civil disobedience?
29:39And if the person who
29:41announced the civil disobedience
29:43was given punishment
29:45at the time when he
29:47had attacked Pakistan,
29:49then he would not have
29:51done this.
29:53Even today, I am saying that
29:55the government will not be harmed.
29:57The state will be harmed.
29:59And if, God forbid,
30:01this civil disobedience
30:03is successful,
30:05then tell me,
30:07if the government leaves, then so be it.
30:09But will any future government
30:11be able to stay?
30:13Will anyone be able to work for the state?
30:15Or who will be the heir of the state?
30:17No one understands this.
30:19The government is not ready to think about this.
30:21Yes, sir. I think there is no need for civil disobedience.
30:23Tahrik-e-Kin has said since the last two weeks
30:25that they want to have a discussion.
30:27Earlier, they did not talk.
30:29Now, the government
30:31has more leverage.
30:33They have brought them to the discussion table.
30:35But now, you are not doing the discussion.
30:37You are saying that we will take
30:39permission from him and take him on board.
30:41Today, we will announce the committee.
30:43Tomorrow, we will announce the committee.
30:45Earlier, the government wanted this.
30:47But now, people are hesitating.
30:51No, Maria.
30:53I don't mean that.
30:55They are also
30:57trying to conspire.
30:59You can see that
31:01the decision of £190 million
31:03is about to come.
31:05You can see that General Faiz Hamid
31:07is being trialled.
31:09You can see that
31:11on one hand, you are saying
31:13that 25 workers
31:15have been punished.
31:17Tell me,
31:19was there anyone who was
31:21guiding the workers?
31:23If these punishments are right,
31:25then the one who is guiding them
31:27is a bigger criminal than them.
31:29So, why don't they get punished?
31:31The thing is that
31:33they want you to be engaged
31:35and the expected
31:37decisions that are going to come,
31:39they should get an NRO
31:41for them.
31:43So, I think
31:45that by sacrificing people's children,
31:47you are asking
31:49for your own benefit.
31:51You want to find a way
31:53for yourself.
31:55But for them,
31:57why don't you ask
31:59the people whose children
32:01you have sacrificed?
32:03I keep coming back to this question.
32:05Should there be negotiations
32:07with Tariq-e-Insaf?
32:09What is Mr. Nawaz Sharif's
32:11opinion on this?
32:13Is he okay with the formation
32:15of a government committee?
32:17Or is he disconnected
32:19from this issue?
32:23Mr. Nawaz Sharif
32:25cannot be disconnected.
32:27He has served the
32:29Pakistani people
32:31and the state three times.
32:33But the thing is that
32:35what will Mr. Nawaz Sharif say?
32:37The committee that has been formed
32:39by Mr. Nawaz Sharif
32:41should negotiate with them?
32:43Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
32:45that the screaming
32:47has been stopped?
32:49Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
32:51that what has been done
32:53on 9th, 10th, May and 26th November
32:55has been forgiven?
32:57Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
32:59that if 25 workers
33:01have been punished
33:03on 9th, 10th May,
33:05then the people who are
33:07responsible for this
33:09should also be punished?
33:11Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
33:13that after this
33:15there will be no more
33:17screaming?
33:19Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
33:21that the committee
33:23that has been formed
33:25by Mr. Nawaz Sharif
33:27is in power?
33:29Will anyone assure Mr. Nawaz Sharif
33:31that the committee
33:33that has been formed
33:35by Mr. Nawaz Sharif
33:37is in power?
34:05I have tried to
34:07make my point clear.
34:09You have asked
34:11a question
34:13and put
34:15me in doubt
34:17that I am not clear.
34:19I am telling you that
34:21it is the job of the Prime Minister
34:23to make these things clear.
34:25If the Prime Minister himself was clear,
34:27then the committee would have been formed.
34:29If the committee is not being formed,
34:31then the committee is not being formed
34:33If the committee is not being formed,
34:35then the committee is not being formed.
34:37Who will give them a clearance?
34:39Should Mukhtadar be on board?
34:41Or should the political parties
34:43talk among themselves?
34:45This is the job of the political parties.
34:47This is the job of the political parties.
34:49This clearance is
34:51Imran Khan's attitude.
34:53This is Imran Khan's
34:55act that
34:57he could not fulfill
34:59what he said.
35:01Imran Khan will have to
35:03apologize for
35:05what he did in the past.
35:07He will not
35:09incite any more
35:11attacks.
35:13He will not repeat
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