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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariam Aiman with the program Sawale Ka Saat, today's top stories

00:21is IMF mission, a special mission is in Pakistan, what are its details, we will talk about it

00:26before the program.

00:27After that, in the world of Trump's important decisions, what is the overall impact of his

00:32internal and external politics, we will talk about it in the second part of the program.

00:37In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies are

00:42made, no policy implementation is done, no steps are taken in terms of law and order

00:47and innocent citizens are dying due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

00:53In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

00:58are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

01:03due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

01:06In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

01:11are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

01:16due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

01:20In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

01:25are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

01:30due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

01:33In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

01:38are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

01:43due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

01:46In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

01:51are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

01:56due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

01:59In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

02:04are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

02:09due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

02:12In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

02:17are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

02:22due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

02:25In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

02:30are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

02:35due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

02:38In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

02:43are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

02:48due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

02:51In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

02:56are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

03:01due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

03:04In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

03:09are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

03:14due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

03:17In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

03:22are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

03:27due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

03:30In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

03:35are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

03:40due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

03:43In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

03:48are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

03:53due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

03:56In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

04:01are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

04:06due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

04:09In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

04:14are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

04:19due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

04:22In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

04:27are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

04:32due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

04:35In the end, the chain of deaths from the dumper could not be stopped, no tough policies

04:40are made, no steps are taken in terms of law and order and innocent citizens are dying

04:45due to dumpers in the last part of the program.

04:49This is their requirement.

04:51And why? Why should the Judicial Commission meet the IMF?

04:55Has this ever happened before?

04:57Frankly, I have been covering the IMF since 2008.

05:00I covered the first program of the IMF in 2008 and there were other programs later as well.

05:04I have seen this for the first time.

05:06As I said, money laundering, combating and financing of terrorism has been mentioned

05:10in the program documents as well.

05:12When we talk to them, it is also mentioned in the program documents.

05:15I was surprised to see this on the Judicial side.

05:18One thing I would like to say is that although they are reviewing the IMF,

05:22we will get to know their concerns by July.

05:25If they have raised any questions in the meetings, we will get to know from there as well.

05:29But the important thing is that I think there is no need to give it a political tone.

05:34Because the way the reaction has come on the story today from different circles…

05:39What does the government say?

05:40They have not held any special press conference yet.

05:42The government has issued a press release today.

05:44A little while ago, they issued a press release.

05:46In that press release, they have confirmed that this is an official mission.

05:50But they have given their justification as to why this is so.

05:53In that press release, it is written that the IMF has been doing such things since 1997.

05:57There is nothing to doubt in this.

05:59But the agenda that tells that I think they will go a little further.

06:04But if this was up to the Ministry of Law, it would have been better.

06:07What I was saying that they are trying to give it a political tone.

06:11Frankly, the IMF is not explicitly involved in political matters.

06:16Even if they are looking at the judiciary,

06:18they will also look at good governance, bad governance, apartments in the same context.

06:23If you have a good, effective judiciary,

06:25then the enforcement of contracts…

06:27You know that there are a lot of reasons for the absence of foreign capital in Pakistan.

06:32One reason is that if there is an agreement or a dispute…

06:35They stay in the courts for a few years.

06:37The Prime Minister intervenes.

06:39There are interventions at the level of the Army Chief to resolve these matters.

06:42In that context, they can look at the enforcement of contracts.

06:46But overall, looking at it, meeting with the judiciary, that is extraordinary.

06:51Should the government be worried about it?

06:54I think the government should not be worried because if there are some shortcomings in it…

06:59You know that the system in Pakistan is not perfect.

07:02Our governance system is not good.

07:04There is a lot of corruption.

07:06The government itself believes in it.

07:08The Minister of Treasury and the Chairman of the Federal Board of Revenue

07:10believe that the corrupt organization of the FBI is a good organization.

07:13So, when such things happen,

07:15if there are such independent, effective reviews,

07:18and a report comes out,

07:20and if you want to change the law in the light of that report,

07:22if you want to change some rules and regulations,

07:24then there is no harm in doing it.

07:26It should not become a political issue.

07:27Is this binding, the report that comes out?

07:29It will be binding in that case.

07:31Let me give you an example of this.

07:33When the reform of the State Bank of Pakistan came into force in 2021,

07:37the PTA government did it.

07:38You remember, there was a big issue of $130 billion.

07:40Before that, a similar mission came.

07:42That mission gave its recommendations.

07:44On the basis of that recommendation, the reform of the State Bank came into force.

07:47Pakistan had no choice but to accept it.

07:50At that time, that thing was a make and break for the Pakistan RMF program.

07:54You will remember, about 4 years back.

07:56If this report comes out, and some critical findings come out in it,

07:59in the legal framework of Pakistan,

08:01some things are recommended in it.

08:03To counter the regime of money laundering,

08:06combating of financing of terrorism,

08:08how to stop the money used in terrorism,

08:13how to use the information coming from outside, money laundering.

08:16If they cannot properly address our laws and rules,

08:22then its recommendations will eventually become binding.

08:26The next IMF review may be after July.

08:28Whatever review comes in September or before that,

08:31it will put some more conditions in it.

08:33Now, the condition is that you have to get this review done.

08:36Which has started.

08:37By 6th February and 14th February, InshaAllah, it will be over.

08:39Then it will come that there are findings in it.

08:42If they are good, there is no problem.

08:44If the flaws are identified, then the next two reviews…

08:48By June or July, the government should not be so worried.

08:52The impact of this is that there will be a separate review,

08:55which is related to the first review of Pakistan's IMF program.

08:58There is no impact on that at the moment.

09:00Thank you very much.

09:01Mr. Shahbaz Rahim was with us.

09:02Mr. Shahbaz mentioned the press release during this time.

09:04I have also ordered it.

09:05In that press release, which was issued by the government of Pakistan

09:08regarding this IMF mission,

09:10they say that Pakistan and IMF have been working together for a long time,

09:15whether it is a matter of governance,

09:17transparency or accountability in the public sector.

09:20In this regard, the reaction of the government of Pakistan has also been revealed.

09:23Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi is present with us in this section of the program.

09:27He is a former Prime Minister of Pakistan

09:29and the head of the People's Pakistan Party.

09:31A very unique condition has been revealed regarding the IMF,

09:34in which this mission of the IMF is being met.

09:37It will also be met with the people of the Judicial Commission

09:39and will meet at different markets.

09:41The decisions made in the court in Pakistan,

09:43the appointment of judges, will also be reviewed in this regard.

09:47Mr. Shahid, you have a long experience of public service.

09:52Why is this needed for the first time?

09:57To go so deep into various ministries,

10:00from the appointment of judges,

10:02to the meeting of the Judicial Commission members,

10:04to the work of the IMF Commission.

10:06Is this in their mandate?

10:08Yes, specifically, it is not written in the mandate.

10:11But what we do not understand, we will have to understand.

10:15That the economy is related to the system of justice.

10:20The economy is related to the political system.

10:23The economy is affected by poor governance.

10:26The economy is affected by corruption.

10:29This is the review of all this.

10:32I know exactly, this is the newspaper news,

10:34which Mr. Shahbaz Rana has written.

10:36He does a lot of research on these things and writes.

10:40His words are very credible.

10:44Therefore, you will have to understand these things.

10:47If you steal elections, it will affect the economy.

10:51Political corruption will affect the economy.

10:54The IMF is giving you an oversight.

10:57The IMF not only gives you funds,

11:00but also gives you a reform package.

11:03And all your other lenders rely on it for oversight.

11:08Whether this country is working responsibly or not.

11:12They have to see all these things.

11:15They cannot say that in a country,

11:17you have to make a 26th amendment.

11:19The system of justice should end.

11:21And then expect that the economy will progress.

11:24You make straight laws for them.

11:26There should be political upheaval in the country.

11:28There should be election theft.

11:30Police governance should be poor.

11:32Corruption should be increasing.

11:34How can we expect this?

11:36Corruption is one thing,

11:38in which he has written a very important thing.

11:41He has highlighted the factor of domestic corruption.

11:46I have not seen this before in the words he has used.

11:52What could be the reason?

11:54You have been watching since the 90s.

11:56Pakistan has been in the IMF program for decades.

11:59Is the timing different this time?

12:01Is it due to political pressure?

12:03Is there any arm twisting?

12:05Why are there such conditions?

12:07There is no arm twisting.

12:09If you look at all these things,

12:11you have been considered irresponsible.

12:13The net gain of all this is that the IMF,

12:18or the financial institutions,

12:21the multilaterals,

12:23do not consider you a responsible country.

12:25You do what you promise.

12:27You cannot fix your house.

12:30You are creating more problems in the country,

12:34in the system.

12:36When the 26th amendment came,

12:38I said, look at the impact it will have on the economy.

12:41In a country where the justice system is not correct,

12:44there is no investment.

12:46First of all, people look for justice.

12:49For example, in 2017,

12:53when Mr. Nawaz Sharif's decision was made,

12:57people said,

12:59what kind of a country is this?

13:01The Supreme Court has become a trial court.

13:03A government has been broken.

13:05The government that was running,

13:07did not take the money,

13:09it became your asset,

13:11so we ended your government.

13:13This does not happen in the world.

13:15It is still the same.

13:17The way you have changed the system,

13:19a constitutional bench has been formed in the Supreme Court,

13:22a Supreme Court has been formed.

13:24What will this do? What will that do?

13:26There was a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

13:28There is no need to mention his name.

13:32It has nothing to do with his personality.

13:35In just two cases,

13:37he has caused a loss of 9 billion dollars to Pakistan.

13:419 billion dollars.

13:43I think everyone knows who he is talking about.

13:45Whoever it is.

13:46Look, it is not about the reality.

13:48Let's talk about the capacity.

13:50What is the capacity to cause losses?

13:52When the capacity to cause such losses

13:54is created in the justice system,

13:56when the government will not be able to govern,

13:59when corruption will increase to a limit,

14:01I am telling you the truth,

14:03corruption has increased to a limit in the country.

14:05To this extent,

14:07because when there is inflation,

14:09when prices in the country increase,

14:11then corruption also increases.

14:13Sir, and when there is so much uncertainty,

14:15then everyone is in a transaction.

14:17Yes, and when you interfere in the justice system,

14:19when you interfere in the police system,

14:21when you use the police against your political opponents,

14:23then you will make them do one bad thing,

14:25those ten bad things themselves,

14:27Sir, should the government be worried about this review?

14:29Okay, there are many things that can be managed,

14:31they will manage it.

14:33This will not be so important,

14:35it will not be their high priority.

14:37They will look at the review more seriously

14:39on other issues like taxation.

14:41Sir, the world is watching.

14:43Look, IMF is a bureaucracy.

14:45They have promised you a program.

14:47It is also in their favor

14:49that you continue to run,

14:51the matter should continue to run.

14:53And I always say,

14:55for the world as a whole,

14:57this is a bad thing to say,

14:59it is cheaper to keep Pakistan afloat

15:01for the world.

15:03You have to give more than 100 billion dollars.

15:05If you default,

15:07it will have a financial impact

15:09on the world.

15:11These 2-4 million dollars

15:13come behind and say,

15:15whatever it is,

15:17we have to repair our house.

15:19We have to understand this.

15:21It's been a year since the government

15:23went bankrupt.

15:25Have you seen the advertisements

15:27that the government has given

15:29in the newspapers?

15:31No, I have seen the advertisements

15:33of every government in Pakistan.

15:35When I came to power,

15:37I decided that I would never

15:39publish any advertisement.

15:41So, I did not publish any

15:43advertisement for 10 months.

15:45Neither the publishers nor the

15:47readers understand what is happening

15:49in the country.

15:51What do you have to say

15:53about the flight of human resource?

15:55They have saved us from default.

15:57They are saying in their advertisement

15:59that at least we were standing

16:01at the base of default.

16:03Who took you to the base of default?

16:05The previous government.

16:07You should have fixed it.

16:09You should have fixed it.

16:11You did not fix it.

16:13Mr. Imran Khan was selling

16:15petrol at a lower price than

16:17the purchase price.

16:19Why?

16:21You came to power.

16:23You did not fix it.

16:25You have been sitting on that

16:27for 6 months.

16:29You have blown up

16:31many Arab lorries.

16:33You have reduced the price.

16:35You have reduced the price.

16:37The government has nothing

16:39to do with any policy.

16:41It has a lot to do with the

16:43price of oil in our country.

16:45Our country does not care

16:47about the price of oil.

16:49Our government is very

16:51misunderstood.

16:53Our Prime Minister

16:55does not care about the

16:57price of oil.

16:59When the commodity prices

17:01will be low,

17:03inflation will be low.

17:05Low inflation does not

17:07mean low inflation.

17:09There is a decrease

17:11in the rate of

17:13inflation.

17:15The government has increased

17:17the rate of inflation by

17:192.5 billion dollars.

17:21The rate of inflation has

17:23increased from 27.72 billion

17:25dollars to 30.64 billion dollars.

17:27This is a good thing.

17:29This is a good thing.

17:31It is not a bad thing.

17:33The rate of inflation

17:35does not work in

17:37today's government.

17:39There is a cycle.

17:41Mr. Imran Khan said

17:43that the government has increased

17:45the rate of inflation.

17:47It was a bump in the world.

17:49You got it because of COVID.

17:51You got a little benefit.

17:53It is a very good thing.

17:55The government has increased.

17:57We will be better for the country.

17:59But tell me the government policy

18:01that has affected this.

18:03Because the permanent thing

18:05is the government policy.

18:07What is the government policy

18:09that has increased the rate of

18:11inflation?

18:13Has the trust of the people

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Sawal Yeh Hai | Maria Memon | ARY News | 9th February 2025

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