👉 La sesión para debatir el proyecto de Ficha Limpia, que busca impedir la presentación en listas electorales de personas con doble condena judicial, fue levantada por falta de quórum. El presidente de la Cámara, Martín Menem, tomó la decisión tras constatar que faltaban 13 diputados para iniciar la sesión. Se generaron acusaciones cruzadas entre los diferentes bloques políticos.
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00:00Vani, a complex session, because the clean sheet fell, Marce, how are you?
00:05Yes, the session fell, how are you Facuo, team, good morning, audience, of course, good noon, actually.
00:12The session fell after 10 and a half in the morning, Martin Menem, the President of the House of Representatives,
00:17raised the session due to lack of quorum, there were 116 deputies in their seats,
00:23there were 13 left for the beginning of the session and the subsequent discussion of this clean sheet project,
00:31which, let's remember, is from 2017, which prevents the presentation on electoral lists of people with double judicial conviction.
00:42Well, it fell, I was telling you, after 10.30 in the morning, cross accusations, serious accusations,
00:50for example, Facundo de Juan Manuel López, who is the president of the block of the civic coalition of the deputies
00:58that respond to Elisa Carrió, here in the Chamber of Deputies, saying that there is a pact,
01:03or that there was, rather, a pact, between generalism and deputies of the advanced freedom,
01:09or officialism, the government directly, why? Because 8 deputies of the advanced freedom were missing,
01:14but also deputies from other blocks were missing, for example, Novino Pichetto,
01:18for example, some radicals were also missing, some from Union por la Paz were also missing,
01:23well, Union por la Patria was completely missing, there are 99, and they did not go down to the precinct,
01:29but there was a moment of great tension with this accusation that Juan Manuel López made,
01:33I don't know if we have the opportunity to hear it and if you want to hear it,
01:36this was about 10.40 in the morning, let's see if you tell me, if we have the possibility of hearing Juan Manuel López.
01:43And now I'm going, Marcelo, I was looking, I'm going live in a minute, because Cobos is talking,
01:48he fell, clean file, there is a lot of anger, but Marce, go ahead, go ahead with what you were proposing to me,
01:53Juan Manuel López, right?
01:56A political agreement for which the session falls, officialism and Union por la Patria,
02:00it is more than evident, obviously Union por la Patria was not going to come,
02:03but in officialism there are 3 or 4 deputies missing, we will have the names when the list is passed,
02:07in the pro there are 2 deputies missing, I understand that they respond to Patricia Ulrich,
02:11and in other blocks of the governors there are also deputies missing,
02:14which will have been a request from the government for Cristina to be a candidate next year,
02:18and she competes against Karina Milay, a very dangerous game of the government.
02:21They want corrupt candidates, is that what you're saying?
02:23They want candidates with a lot of social contempt, to see if this is competitive in the province of Buenos Aires,
02:28freedom advances, and I think that the Argentines have to understand that it is a legislative election,
02:34and that they have to be able to vote without Cristina Kirchner's cuckoo,
02:37to the deputies who really represent their interests,
02:41not to a campaign in which they can only win in the province of Buenos Aires,
02:45if they get scared with Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.
02:47How much impunity do you agree that there is in the opinion of Ariel Lijo?
02:51Well, that impunity is also being sought, right?
02:56Lijo is the worst ranked judge in Comodoro Pi,
02:59in the place where corruption crimes have to be investigated,
03:03and Ariel Lijo is the judge who promotes President Javier Milay to the Supreme Court,
03:07a terrible sign.
03:09And we all know that Cristina is negotiating in the Senate,
03:11because Senator Corpachi, a senator from Catamarca, very close to her,
03:14that is, in addition, the vice president of Pejota, who has just assumed Cristina Fernández de Kirchner,
03:19signed the pledge.
03:20It is obvious that they are negotiating, we will see how it goes.
03:23This is part of the negotiation.
03:24This is the gesture that Javier Milay had to make to Cristina Kirchner,
03:27so that Cristina Kirchner continues to negotiate in Lijo's pledges,
03:31and eventually becomes a candidate.
03:33The legislator is tremendous, what he says.
03:35In this sense, I want to ask you, from your block, from today,
03:39how are you going to establish the links with the officialism or with the president?
03:43As always, law by law, without trusting anyone.
03:46We do not trust neither Union por la Patria nor Libertad Avanza.
03:49If the issues are good, we can vote as if it were a game,
03:51with Union por la Patria, which the PROI did not want to vote for,
03:54which the UCTO group did not want to vote for.
03:56If the retirees are good, we vote with Union por la Patria.
03:59If there is something like the single ticket that is good and promoted by Libertad Avanza,
04:04we vote it. It is law by law, without trusting anyone.
04:07Deputy, last week, Facundo Manez mentioned this agreement
04:10between Kirchnerism and Libertad Avanza.
04:13How will this relationship continue?
04:16It depends on them. It depends on them.
04:17They are getting into a problem, the president.
04:19Cristina is in a tactical retreat, but Cristina is going to defend herself.
04:23And when she has to return to power, she will do it,
04:26because she is a large-scale political animal.
04:30That is how she has to deal with Kicillof, who is now fighting for her candidacy for president.
04:34In four years, Kicillof can be president.
04:36This game is very dangerous by law. Very dangerous.
04:39How will this clean ticket project continue here in Diputados?
04:43It will continue next year. We have been presenting it since 2016,
04:45so it will continue next year.
04:47Deputy, you look very angry.
04:49Does this comply with what you are publicly denouncing, in a way?
04:54She is angry. She is angry.
04:56She is angry because she has fought against corruption for so many years,
04:59and there is always a little more to do.
05:01But we don't get tired.
05:03Well, pay attention to what López said.
05:06He is angry. He denounces a negotiation,
05:08something that we have all been handling and talking about,
05:12which is the information that there is,
05:14of coincidences that begin to appear.
05:17Between Kirchnerism and Libertad Avanza.
05:19Of course, or very opaque negotiations, right?
05:21What do they say in the sector of Juan Manuel López, of the Civic Coalition,
05:24in sectors of the PRO, not referenced with Patricia Bullrich,
05:27and I make this difference to you.
05:29What are they saying?
05:31Well, for a long time, as you say,
05:33that there is some underground tunnel between the Patriarch Institute,
05:36via Guado de Pedro, to the Casa Rosada, via Santiago Caputo,
05:40who are friends, partners, have a lot of ties,
05:43several negotiations, but in exchange for everything,
05:47it would be to protect Cristina,
05:49with men who are good at justice,
05:51with this type of initiative.
05:54And then what they say is, now they are absent,
05:56Pablo Anzaloni, Santiago Santurio, Martínez,
05:59Emilio Orozco, Carolina Píparo, Lorena Mazin,
06:03Marcela Pagano and José Peluc,
06:06who are the eight deputies of Libertad Avanza,
06:10plus two of Bullrich, that is, all those who are,
06:12who respond to Libertad Avanza, did not vote.
06:15Yes, it occurs to me to think,
06:17that each one is going to impose an explanation,
06:19perhaps the most understandable is that of Pagano,
06:22who is pregnant, she can say that,
06:25because it is not the first time that she is absent,
06:28and the other time she justified it for a health issue.
06:31Now, the others have no explanation.
06:32The others have no explanation, and I'm telling you,
06:34only on the list of Libertad Avanza,
06:36but then, as Juan Manuel López said,
06:38there are those who respond to Patricia Bullrich,
06:40who is in the government of my law.
06:42That is, the angry ones here, with all this dialogue
06:45that exists for justice,
06:47between Kirchnerism and Milleism,
06:49are the PRO of Macri and the Civic Coalition.
06:52We heard Juan Manuel López from the Civic Coalition,
06:55we have Los Penatos, also from the PRO,
06:57who was super angry too,
06:59who was very in tune with what Juan Manuel López said,
07:02I don't know if we can hear Los Penatos too,
07:05which, well, basically,
07:07is what they have been saying for a long time,
07:09and they saw it coming, they saw it coming.
07:11Yes, some negotiations that seem to advance,
07:13and that today, early in the morning,
07:15it was already seen that the quorum was not going to be reached.
07:17Regarding the previous session,
07:19which was on November 20,
07:22there were 13 less deputies.
07:24That is, the other day, the last time,
07:26on November 20,
07:28by a vote, by a person, by a deputy,
07:30the quorum had not been reached.
07:32Now they are very far away, 116,
07:34the quorum, we remember, is 119.
07:37Not only did the Libertad Avanza deputies fail,
07:40some of the PRO linked to Patricia Bullrich,
07:42some, not all,
07:44there were others who were there,
07:4634 deputies to the PRO,
07:48some of the Radicalism deputies failed,
07:50and some of the Encuentro Federal deputies failed,
07:53which is the block of Pichetto,
07:55including Miguel Pichetto,
07:57who never agreed with this idea of,
07:59what he says,
08:01the proscription of candidates
08:03who are not condemned with a firm sentence.
08:05So, the government makes a balance,
08:08and also this morning,
08:10very early, around 9 in the morning,
08:12Martin Menem tweeted,
08:14president of the Chamber of Deputies,
08:16with a tweet and a video
08:18that shows the different times
08:20that he, at the exact half hour
08:22of a call, of a session,
08:24raises the session if the quorum is not reached.
08:26To avoid any kind of suspicion,
08:28to avoid saying, well,
08:30they raised it at the last moment,
08:32I think we have the video.
08:34I'll be back with Marce,
08:36because Marcelo is early,
08:38I want to record a little,
08:40there is a lot of trouble with the issue
08:42of the fall of the session of Fincha Limpia.
08:44You were talking about Martin Menem, look.
08:46Not having conformed the regulatory quorum,
08:48the expressions in minority have been enabled
08:50to comply with the regulations.
08:52It is what has been recommended.
08:54I ask you, please,
08:56to be respectful of the regulations, nothing more.
08:58Having failed the session
09:00called in the terms of Article 35
09:02of the Regulations,
09:04has been a criterion
09:06of this Chamber
09:08throughout the year,
09:10that if at the 30 minutes of tolerance
09:12that the regulation gives us,
09:14the present quorum is not found,
09:16the session is raised.
09:18With all due respect,
09:20we will always comply with the regulations.
09:22The 30 minutes have passed,
09:24and in honor of what we have done
09:26throughout the year,
09:28so that there is no doubt
09:30that we will always apply the regulations,
09:32having failed the session
09:34called in the terms of Article 35
09:36of the Regulations,
09:38being the 15 and 31,
09:40having elapsed the 30 minutes,
09:42the session has failed.
09:44This Presidency authorizes
09:46expressions in minority
09:48according to Article 36b of it.
09:50They called this
09:52preventive communication.
09:54That is, we throw it at 9 in the morning.
09:56Explain to me that idea of preventive communication.
09:58Because they already knew
10:00that today there would be no quorum,
10:02and they already knew that from the pro
10:04they were going to denounce a pact
10:06between Kirchnerism and advanced freedom.
10:08Then, out of doubt,
10:10they say, we throw this video,
10:12the file that does not lie,
10:14so that it is noticed and understood
10:16that at the 31 minutes
10:18that the session was called,
10:20if there is no quorum, it is raised.
10:22Now, I do not know if in a session
10:24that for the government is fundamental
10:26for officialism,
10:28but also the sectors that
10:30no one is talking about
10:32if the clean file project is good or not,
10:34or if what happened is good or bad.
10:36But it is true that they have been denouncing
10:38the pro of Macri and the civic coalition.
10:40At least there is a pact
10:42and that has to do
10:44with protecting Cristina
10:46in her judicial situation.
10:48Marce, I'll go through you
10:50and then Abilito.
10:52We all participate, of course.
10:54Abilito, this question,
10:56if it is convenient for the government
10:58to confront, to electoralize
11:00with Cristina, now we develop it.
11:02Tell me, Marce, go ahead.
11:04I'll tell you.
11:06It is not clear if Cristina
11:08could not appear in case
11:10this law is sanctioned.
11:12Half of the library says yes,
11:14the other half says no.
11:16Because the law is not retroactive.
11:18As Cristina's sentence is already there,
11:20it would go forward.
11:22But this is a judicial discussion
11:24about what Winokur said.
11:26It was already known that there would be no quorum
11:28because of two things.
11:30There was no catering.
11:32When there is catering, it is already planned
11:34because it is known that there will be quorum.
11:36And the second thing is that there are no cell towers.
11:38There was no catering.
11:40When there is quorum,
11:42there is no catering
11:44and there are no cell towers.
11:46It is good to know
11:48if the deputies who do not give quorum
11:50contest the building.
11:52Do you understand what I'm saying?
11:54Yes.
11:56In some cases, yes.
11:58Arrieta did not give quorum
12:00and then she spoke.
12:02Yes, Arrieta did not give quorum.
12:04No, they did not give quorum, Javier.
12:06Sorry.
12:08If you are working in a place
12:10and you do not go,
12:12it is one thing.
12:14And another thing is to go
12:16and make a political strategy,
12:18in this case of the deputies.
12:20Marcela Pagano has a medical certificate.
12:22She has not presented it yet.
12:24She is pregnant.
12:26I put the fact
12:28that the deputy is pregnant
12:30because it is public knowledge.
12:32And Alejandro Finoquiero
12:34was hospitalized.
12:36There are many deputies
12:38who you see in the photos
12:40walking around different places
12:42when they have to be in the section.
12:44Many people
12:46say that the political decision
12:48and then the criticism.
12:50But let them be in the place.
12:52Let them go to work
12:54even when they do not sit on the bench.
12:56Let them be in the place.
12:58Because this is the custom in Argentina.
13:00Yes, they complained.
13:02I interviewed a deputy this week
13:04and they complained because they had to go
13:06three times this week,
13:08which was a very active week in Congress.
13:10Lourdes, Arrieta, more voices
13:12from the fall of the Fincha Limpia section.
13:14We are live with Marcelo Padovani
13:16and with a lot of information here at the table.
13:18Let's see.
13:20The floor is now for
13:22Deputy Lourdes Arrieta.
13:24Good morning, Mr. President.
13:26To all present
13:28and to the Argentine people.
13:30Today I come to take charge,
13:32to put my face
13:34because I did not give a speech.
13:36And that does not mean
13:38that I am an enemy of the people.
13:40Gentlemen,
13:42I see so much hypocrisy
13:44from the Argentine people
13:46towards the Argentine people.
13:48I see so much pain.
13:52I can not believe
13:54that both
13:56on one side and on the other
13:58the illusions of so many
14:00are being made up.
14:02I don't answer to Macri,
14:04I don't answer to Cristina,
14:06I don't even answer to the executive
14:08because they fired me.
14:10I'm alone,
14:12I'm nothing.
14:14You know what?
14:16I have nothing to hide.
14:18I'm clean,
14:20I'm free of all contamination.
14:24I don't owe anything to anyone.
14:28That's why I think
14:30that this issue of clean record
14:32should be expanded.
14:34The issue, gentlemen,
14:36is here that many
14:38make up causes,
14:40no one thought about
14:42the proofs invented by
14:44artificial intelligence, for example.
14:46For example,
14:48with 15 seconds of your movements
14:50and a little of your voice
14:52they could make up
14:54a cause.
14:56There are many who lock you up
14:58so you can't continue in this career.
15:00They frustrate you
15:02and they have frustrated
15:04the illusions of many.
15:06Gentlemen, I think that here
15:08what you should think
15:10is in the retiree
15:12who is waiting
15:14to earn a little more,
15:16to earn
15:18his judgments.
15:20A veteran of war
15:22who has been waiting for the historical resurgence
15:24for years.
15:26And you
15:28can't even
15:30give me a little more
15:32of an increase.
15:34Gentlemen,
15:36we are all hypocrites
15:38and I'm not ashamed to say it
15:40because I'm liberal,
15:42libertarian
15:44and I don't worship my face
15:46in front of anyone.
15:48How many times have we been told
15:50about morality, about family?
15:52How many times have we been told
15:54what we have to say, for example,
15:56in a church?
15:58Pastors who become rich
16:00with the poor's money
16:02and here they are telling us
16:04that they can't even
16:06accompany a law.
16:08Well,
16:10Lourdes Arrieta
16:12with a level of intensity
16:14very strong.
16:16Shouting at everyone
16:18they are all hypocrites.
16:20This is a deputy who had entered
16:22for freedom of the mass and then broke.
16:24Was part of that
16:26excursion to contact
16:28with the detainees
16:30condemned by the law of humanity?
16:32Was it true or is it artificial intelligence?
16:34No, Javi, this was true.
16:36It seems like a joke.
16:38She was very excited.
16:40She was broken, Cata, directly.
16:42Marcelo, it was also a particular moment,
16:44I guess, right?
16:46Yes, it was both.
16:48It was the moment of López
16:50who also spoke in the enclosure
16:52and who increased them directly
16:54to the official block of Libertad Avanza
16:56for the lack of 8 or 9.
16:58You have to do the math well.
17:00Marcelo, they are 8
17:02plus Lourdes Arrieta
17:04who is also from Libertad Avanza
17:06although she is out of the block.
17:08In total, there are 9.
17:10Well, perfect, there are 9.
17:12I was telling you,
17:14around 10.40 López,
17:16perhaps the hardest moment in the enclosure
17:18and then this one, 11.43 Lourdes Arrieta
17:20who, as Facundo had said,
17:22was news this year
17:24because after visiting the repressors in Ezeiza
17:26she never slept again,
17:28she said, I'm alone.
17:30Well, she started crying there,
17:32directly in the enclosure.
17:34Well, we'll have to see what kind of
17:36pressures she has and why she is like that.
17:38We have to contemplate that,
17:40I think, Marcelo.
17:42I wanted to tell you,
17:44the round of expositions
17:46of the deputies is over.
17:48Well, I'll stay
17:50if you think, Marce, with you
17:52because there in the corridor
17:54there will be news.
17:56It's hot here, Marce.
18:00Yes, yes, yes, we are attentive here.
18:02If someone comes here to speak,
18:04we will have it live, of course,
18:06on the 24th screen.
18:08And if you give me a minute,
18:10we will see if there is anyone
18:12to whom we can put the air.
18:14I'm not a political journalist
18:16like Cata and Pablo
18:18and so many others.
18:20But the truth is, if I stand
18:22on the common side of people,
18:24they throw a clean slate.
18:26They don't sit down to debate.
18:28They throw their backs at people, Javier.
18:30I think this is a dome,
18:32a capsule in which they say,
18:34look, if you fall,
18:36I will fall too.
18:38So let's kick it,
18:40let's leave it forward.
18:42Look, it's a reading, Javi,
18:44with a lot of common sense
18:46and it's what people feel.
18:48Let's continue, because this is clear.
18:50Let's see, if you are condemned,
18:52you have your rules.
18:54It's not that if a congressman,
18:56as Arrieta said,
18:58because she cried,
19:00so it moves her.
19:02Many people who are poor
19:04say, no, not poor,
19:06she is a congresswoman
19:08that we all pay her
19:10and that she already did hers.
19:12It's the first time she's there
19:14and instead of being well instructed,
19:16she says what she says.
19:18No, and she charges more
19:20with the consensus of all.
19:22They have rules.
19:24It's not that they are going to go
19:26to a congressman, to a president,
19:28they are going to denounce him
19:30and that's it, he is condemned,
19:32clean file, out.
19:34No, it has to go through legal processes.
19:36Then we don't believe in justice,
19:38in the complaint, in the...
19:40The problem is that this law
19:42has a name and a surname
19:44because it was not seen
19:46by the pro congressmen
19:48because of the subject of the hearings.
19:50But you go back, I go forward.
19:52Okay, but each one wants...
19:54We already know the disaster that Macri did,
19:56Cristina...
19:58But each one wants to see
20:00where you put the cut
20:02and I want to see you
20:04when my law begins to defile
20:06also for the conservatives.
20:08Wait, wait, wait,
20:10there is a political discussion here.
20:12Wait a minute.
20:14They don't want to vote
20:16for a minister today,
20:18before a minister,
20:20they always lived in the state.
20:22They never had a job
20:24to get up at five in the morning
20:26to sign and sign
20:28and wait for the salary
20:30at the end of the month.
20:32They were always the councilors
20:34or ministers, secretaries
20:36or senators, everything
20:38depending on the state.
20:40Here the issue is that
20:42it is assumed that Argentina
20:44is participating in the change.
20:46And that, I think, is the biggest question.
20:48Let's see,
20:50that the usual historians are protected
20:52is coherent,
20:54it is tenaciously coherent,
20:56but it is coherent.
20:58Now, the new ones
21:00who come with a speech
21:02or an idea,
21:04because if you say speech,
21:06it sounds pejorative,
21:08they come with a new, innovative intention.
21:10A priori, they are a new political force
21:12Why didn't they go down?
21:14Yes, you are right.
21:16And Javi is right too.
21:18And I want to add one more angle.
21:20All this would not happen,
21:22this discussion would not be like this
21:24if there was a justice
21:26that works in the end.
21:28Because basically,
21:30if the times of justice work
21:32and you get to a judicial instance
21:34of hunting, well, also the Supreme Court
21:36can fail in reasonable terms
21:38and not leave Carlos Menem
21:40for years with hunting,
21:42then he is released,
21:44or what happens with Cristina,
21:46they say yes or no.
21:48But the Supreme Court would benefit them then.
21:50Of course.
21:52So much judicial dilation benefits them,
21:54because they continue,
21:56then if they are sentenced,
21:58well, 11 or 12 years have passed.
22:00Now, what I also wanted to say
22:02is this that you said, Facu,
22:04supposedly,
22:06Argentine society voted a radical change
22:08and never of republicanism
22:10a flag, as if it was made by the pro.
22:12And Silvia Lospinato,
22:14today, spoke a little of this that you said, Facu,
22:16of, well, people did
22:18look for change.
22:20You are not representing it at this moment,
22:22in this discussion, freedom advances.
22:24Let me listen to Lospinato,
22:26and attention, because there are news
22:28from the president, there Pablo has material
22:30to see in the meantime
22:32where my law was when this happened.
22:34Look.
22:36Well,
22:38I suppose that
22:40the corrupts will be celebrating today.
22:42Terrorists will also be celebrating.
22:44Terrorists who will not be able
22:46to be judged, because
22:48the absence of a trial was not approved.
22:50All the criminals will be celebrating,
22:52who will be able to steal, enter and leave the prisons,
22:54because the reappearance was not approved.
22:56But we all know that this session
22:58has fallen, because impunity is very
23:00powerful in Argentina, very powerful.
23:02I have to say that I have the confirmation
23:04that each one of the blocks gave me,
23:06and I have it in writing, of who was going to come by block.
23:08Because we do not eat the verse anymore,
23:10we do not believe in coincidences
23:12or in the unforeseen. Last week,
23:14with good faith, I believed that there were indeed
23:16deputies who had had unforeseen,
23:18and the truth I have to say, today I feel
23:20mocked, not to say a bad word,
23:22but you know how I feel.
23:24But the truth is, it is not
23:26to me, it is not to any of all the deputies
23:28that we are here who do this,
23:30they do this to the Argentine people.
23:32What I want to say to each one who did not sit here,
23:34is that the minimum, minimum ethical bar,
23:36which is that you are not a convicted person
23:38with convictions confirmed by corruption,
23:40to continue representing the Argentine people.
23:42The deputies who did not come
23:44believe that the corrupt deserve impunity.
23:46The deputies who did not come
23:48believe that the corrupt have to have outposts.
23:50The deputies who did not come
23:52believe that they will be able to continue
23:54doing politics in the kingdom of impunity.
23:56But I'm going to tell you one thing,
23:58people have already changed,
24:00and people are going to judge
24:02those who are accomplices of impunity.
24:04And the last message is for justice.
24:06Justice in Argentina is slow
24:08and does not arrive.
24:10It has a huge debt to the citizens.
24:12Corruption trials
24:14only come to conviction in 2% of the cases.
24:16Nobody investigates the power.
24:18We are a poor country.
24:20We are a country with few hopes of progress
24:22because we let the corrupt
24:24govern us,
24:26the castes of all kinds,
24:28trade unions, businessmen, politicians,
24:30who do not represent a suffering people
24:32who wants to get ahead.
24:34But that suffering people
24:36who wants to get ahead
24:38will be told in the ballot box.
24:40Remember that it will not be like that for the citizens.
24:42The citizens will look with a magnifying glass
24:44who are the ones who did not come
24:46to this meeting to guarantee impunity
24:48to the corrupt.
24:50They do not deserve to represent
24:52the sacred Argentine people.
24:54Thank you very much.
24:56Let's go to Lourdes Arrieta.
24:58Do we repeat?
25:00Yes, for different situations.
25:02Lourdes Arrieta did not give a quorum
25:04and complained about the treatment of the law.
25:06She said that there should not be
25:08a clean file law.
25:10Los Penatos complained about the lack of quorum
25:12of their allies of freedom of advance.
25:14Two different cries.
25:16It is an alliance that today
25:18is in intensive care.
25:20If you have a problem with dialogist governors
25:22who make you a statement,
25:24who demand you to vote for a budget
25:26and you do not get the budget
25:28and you are on your way
25:30to try to govern a country
25:32with the budget of two years ago.
25:34If you have a problem here,
25:36that more or less the government
25:38had it well organized,
25:40because here it depends
25:42on some things
25:44of Mauricio Macri's humor.
25:46But stop, he has it well organized, Facu.
25:48How not?
25:50It is very clear that here
25:52there are strategies.
25:54If eight deputies of freedom of advance
25:56did not go, he has it well organized.
25:58They responded to the strategy
26:00of the government in this case.
26:02They have it well organized.
26:04You are telling me, Cata,
26:06that the government does not want
26:08the clean file law?
26:10To judge for what happened.
26:12I do not know more than what happened,
26:14which was that eight legislators
26:16of freedom of advance, plus two
26:18who respond to Patricia Bullrich,
26:20I do not understand this contradiction
26:22that the government has in my law.
26:24In technical and economic terms,
26:26it is the CEPO,
26:28because there is no greater economic
26:30restriction than the CEPO.
26:32But one can understand that contradiction,
26:34because neither the CEPO,
26:36which was not set up by my law,
26:38they left that bomb armed.
26:40Now, this contradiction
26:42is very difficult to understand.
26:44Because one can understand
26:46a technical, economic contradiction.
26:48The government fights day by day
26:50with various tools.
26:52I do not want to expand it to the economic.
26:54Now, this contradiction.
26:56I do not see any,
26:58and Cata said it a while ago,
27:00republicanism is not part
27:02of the government's speech.
27:04The fight against corruption,
27:06understood in this way,
27:08is not part of the government's speech.
27:10Yes, corruption linked to
27:12the little things,
27:14if you buy a coffee maker,
27:16to the robbery of the state,
27:18four babies were stolen.
27:20No, that does not appear.
27:22They campaigned with that, in fact.
27:24Yes, it is true,
27:26Pablo and Facu,
27:28they campaigned saying
27:30in front is the cuckoo of the cuckoos,
27:32of the Kirchnerists.
27:34However, one sees that in very central things,
27:36they agree.