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"Aaj se hum ne ek mobilization muhim shuru ki hai.." - Rauf Hassan
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- Raoof Hasan PTI
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Hasan Raza Pasha (Pakistan Bar Council)
"Aaj se hum ne ek mobilization muhim shuru ki hai.." - Rauf Hassan
Imran Khan's message for Maulana Fazlur Rehman? - Rauf Hassan
26th Constitutional Amendment Challenge...? - Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar raises important questions
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00:00Assalam-o-Aliakum, I am Maria Memon, and today's talk is the final call of PGI, which is moving
00:14towards Islamabad this month.
00:15After that, there will be a protest, there will be a Jalsa, there is no clarity on this
00:18issue.
00:19We will talk about the next alignment of justice in the first part of the program.
00:22After that, we have challenged the 26th Fan-e-Tarbeen.
00:24Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar will be with us in the second part of the program, because when
00:28this has been implemented, what will be the outcome of the challenge?
00:32How optimistic is he?
00:33We will talk to him.
00:34In the end, India is politicizing cricket, sending teams for other games.
00:37Pakistan does not send its team only for cricket.
00:40In the last part of the program, we will also talk about this.
00:43Let's start.
00:44What happened in Balochistan today at the railway station?
00:47And around 8.30 in the morning, we saw that the CCTV footage that came there is very
00:52disturbing.
00:53Civilians are standing there, people who are related to death are also standing there.
00:58There is an explosion there.
01:00As a result, 27 people are martyred, while more than 60 people are injured.
01:04A few days ago, we saw that there was an explosion outside the school as well.
01:08It was a children's school.
01:10The students who were studying there, their lives were also lost.
01:14No one can support this incident.
01:19BL is a terrorist organization.
01:21Its ideological supporters are also equally involved in this crime.
01:25Let's hope that sanity will prevail and we will be able to stop these explosions.
01:30Let's move on.
01:31Today, we saw that there was no timeline in the speech of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
01:36This month was definitely mentioned, but what will happen?
01:39How will it happen?
01:40How will the movement move forward?
01:41It is not clear.
01:42Let's listen to the speech first.
01:43Mr. Rauf Hassan is with us in the studio.
01:45Let's ask him, what does Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf want?
01:48Let's listen to his speech.
02:13Tehreek-e-Insaaf's speech.
02:44Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Rauf.
02:45The situation has become like a lion has come.
02:48You always say that it is the final stage.
02:51It will come or go.
02:53We will not go back now.
02:55Today, you have given a date for this month,
02:58in which you will decide that you have to give a date.
03:00What is going on now?
03:02What is the final stage?
03:03What is your final decision today?
03:05Thank you, Maria.
03:06Thank you very much.
03:07No, Mr. Khan has to give a date.
03:09When Mr. Khan gives a date, it will be implemented.
03:11At the moment, this is a preparatory stage.
03:13A mobilization campaign has started today.
03:16We have a lot of events planned in different cities and provinces.
03:23We are starting a mobilization process.
03:26After that, when Mr. Khan says that you have to leave on this day,
03:29then you can go.
03:30Aren't you tired of mobilizing?
03:32People come to Islamabad and get arrested.
03:34There are about 1,500 arrests.
03:35I am seeing your story.
03:37If you keep mobilizing, people will say that you are not serious.
03:42This is a serious mobilization.
03:44It is a very serious mobilization.
03:46As you saw today, there was an impressive Jalsa.
03:49A lot of people came.
03:51You know that the motorway has been closed.
03:54The Peshawar highway has also been closed.
03:56Islamabad is also virtually locked down today.
03:59I don't understand that Islamabad is being locked down
04:01even though it is 100 km away.
04:03PTI is not dependent on the numbers of the Jalsa.
04:06All your followers know that.
04:08It is about the messages.
04:10The messages that Mr. Khan is tweeting from the jail today,
04:13like he is talking about personalities,
04:15are not strict in your speeches.
04:18I am not saying that you go batshit crazy.
04:22But there is a difference in both the speeches.
04:25It is just the same.
04:27If they don't take names, then it is a different matter.
04:29Mr. Khan is taking names.
04:31Some people are taking names,
04:33but the message is the same.
04:35The direction is the same.
04:37Everything is the same.
04:39Everything will be unfurled.
04:41Mr. Khan says that this is how you will do it.
04:43This is your final call for this day.
04:45Everything will be done.
04:47What are you waiting for?
04:49Are there any special political developments?
04:51Are there any timelines?
04:53What are you waiting for?
04:55One effort is that we want
04:57some other political parties to be mobilized with us.
05:00Many contacts have been established in this system.
05:03There are contacts with Jamaat-e-Islami,
05:05GDA, and other political parties.
05:07In principle, there is an understanding and agreement with them.
05:10You must have heard Asad Qaisar's statement.
05:13In the coming days,
05:15they will come to the platform.
05:17Along with this, we are talking to the JUA on a parallel level.
05:21A special message from Mr. Khan has also come for them,
05:23which has been delivered to them.
05:25Our consultative process with them is ongoing.
05:29We want to further strengthen and broaden this relationship.
05:33We are also trying to make them a part of this process.
05:37We are also talking to the JUA on a third level.
05:40One reason could be that
05:42if these people also come on board,
05:45then more momentum and intensity can be added to this movement.
05:49If this does not happen,
05:51then we will have to do it.
05:53We will have to do it this month or wait for the next month.
05:55This can be delayed or postponed.
05:58I don't think there are any chances of delay now.
06:01We have been told that November is a critical month.
06:05Why is it a critical month specifically?
06:07I am already very late.
06:09That is why I am asking,
06:10what is so special about November that is not there in December?
06:12Mr. Khan has been in office for 16 months now.
06:14He has been in office for 16 months now.
06:16He has been in office for 16 months now.
06:18You know from the courts that
06:20he is now completely under the control of the executives.
06:23If you expect justice throughout the regime,
06:25then that should also end.
06:27We are not getting justice from there.
06:29Ultimately, you have to build pressure
06:32by agitating peacefully on the streets.
06:34This will definitely happen and it will happen very soon.
06:36It will happen this month.
06:37I would like to hear the statement of Mr. Khan's sisters.
06:40Ms. Leema says that the party is not trying to get Mr. Khan out.
06:50So, the sisters are not happy with the way the party is moving this movement.
06:55We are hearing that Imran Khan is getting out.
06:57I don't understand,
06:58do you think this is being done to get Imran Khan out of the streets?
07:02They have no intention of getting Imran Khan out.
07:06We hear all day that the good news is coming out tomorrow.
07:10All this should stop.
07:12They are feeding disinformation to our people.
07:17Why are your party members claiming that
07:19Mr. Khan will come this month,
07:20he will leave next month,
07:21this is disinformation.
07:23I will not use the word disinformation.
07:25She is like a sister to me.
07:27She is Mr. Khan's sister.
07:28It is a must.
07:29It is a torture for her.
07:35She is his only brother.
07:37He has been in prison for 16 months.
07:39He has been in prison without committing any crime.
07:43I keep meeting him and talking to him.
07:46Obviously, she is concerned about it.
07:48But the party has to manage the people appointed by Mr. Khan.
07:54As the political leaders of the party.
07:55Tell them that we are trying.
07:57They don't feel that you are trying.
07:58You are saying that he is leaving today,
07:59he is leaving day after tomorrow,
08:00he is leaving next month,
08:01the good news is coming.
08:02On what basis are you saying this?
08:03They are briefed on this issue.
08:05They know what is happening and what is not.
08:07But maybe she wants it to be very fast.
08:09I will not blame her.
08:12We have seen the workers of the party.
08:15They want it to be done fast.
08:18There is a delay.
08:20But they are waiting for Mr. Khan's instructions.
08:23They say that if you want to do it tomorrow,
08:25then we will do it tomorrow.
08:27No one can violate Mr. Khan's directives.
08:32Will you meet Mr. Kamran Murtaza?
08:34Do you have any suggestions for Mr. Khan?
08:37I don't know.
08:39But it is a very good thing.
08:41Mr. Khan has sent a special message to Mr. Maulana.
08:45We don't know the contents of the message.
08:48He has disclosed it.
08:50We are listening to Mr. Kamran Murtaza.
08:53He is trying.
08:54Now we have to see whether the government
08:55allows him to meet Mr. Murtaza or not.
08:57Did you get any response?
08:58I don't think so.
08:59We have not received permission yet.
09:01So, you have not received any response
09:02from the JIO?
09:03No.
09:04So, what is the procedure now?
09:06For example, when the date is set,
09:07what will happen?
09:08Will you come to Islamabad?
09:09Will you protest?
09:10If you hold a Jalsa in KP,
09:11then you can hold as many Jalsas as you want.
09:13That is your own government.
09:15The thing is that there is mobilisation in Punjab
09:17and there is mobilisation in Islamabad.
09:18In case you reach Islamabad,
09:21then what will happen?
09:22I want to know.
09:23Will they go home in fear?
09:25His intentions will be clear.
09:27You will meet him.
09:28You will meet him.
09:29I think a lot of thinking has been done on it.
09:30Meetings have also been held.
09:31And there is a lot of clarity
09:33as to what you have to do.
09:36I think there are specific limits.
09:38Are we going back to 2014
09:41in the same way as we did in 2014?
09:43We do it in a different way.
09:44Because you did not get the results you wanted.
09:46At that time, you were in full power
09:47and you were very comfortable.
09:49At that time, you could not achieve
09:51the results you wanted.
09:52Look, the power and popularity
09:54that we had at that time
09:55was not there at that time.
09:56It is a lot now.
09:57But obstacles were removed on the way.
09:59This time, obstacles are being created.
10:01So, at that time,
10:02you could not achieve the results
10:04you wanted.
10:05What is different this time?
10:06How is it optimised?
10:07Despite the obstacles,
10:08Maria, you know that
10:09we had reached D-Chowk.
10:10We were sitting there.
10:11We had reached even in these circumstances.
10:13And if we wanted to stop them,
10:14they would have stopped there.
10:15But we did not stop them.
10:16Because Mr. Khan's directive was not that.
10:19Now, when Mr. Khan's directive will be there,
10:21then it will be seen.
10:22Then, it is okay.
10:23Then, what happens after that?
10:24We do not have to think about that.
10:26Then, we have to do what he says.
10:28Is your party's internal politics hurting you?
10:30Look, I am showing you some footages.
10:32Your workers who were released
10:34after the protest at D-Chowk,
10:36when they went to meet the arrested workers,
10:38they tried to give them some compensation.
10:41If we can show this footage on the screen,
10:43to give respect to the workers,
10:45the slogans that are being raised,
10:46apart from this, we are seeing that
10:47in KP, there is Mr. Atif Khan,
10:49there is Mr. Dhandapur.
10:50Are you being hurt by the internal politics?
10:52Are you expressing your differences?
10:54Look, if there are internal differences,
10:56then it is obvious that
10:57it affects them.
10:58You cannot deny this.
10:59But I deny this thing that
11:01there are internal differences.
11:03There is a difference of opinion.
11:05I am sitting with you.
11:06Maybe I have a difference of opinion with you.
11:08But that does not mean that
11:09I have a relationship with you.
11:10Sir, if you are sending a notice of NAP to Mr. Atif Khan,
11:12does it mean that
11:13there is a difference of opinion?
11:14It will be sorted out.
11:15Everything will be sorted out.
11:16If it is on the public display,
11:18it means that the matter has increased so much
11:20that it has come in the public domain.
11:22Those matters will be sorted out.
11:24It is a necessary thing that
11:25people are sitting in the middle.
11:26They will sort it out.
11:28It is a matter of sorting it out.
11:30Either there is malpractice,
11:32or there is misappropriation,
11:33then it is noticeable.
11:34But according to that,
11:35there are cases against the Chief Minister,
11:36so there is no malpractice.
11:37Has he committed any crime?
11:38No, he has not.
11:39Then how will it be sorted out?
11:40Either there has been a crime or not.
11:42If you can dispose of the outstanding cases,
11:46then I think it will be much better.
11:48The people against whom
11:49the outstanding cases are present,
11:51they will be completely freed from it.
11:53I think this can be seen positively.
11:55Rest, there are no such differences.
11:58Let me assure you,
11:59the party will have an impact.
12:01That is fine.
12:02There is a difference of opinion.
12:03That is fine.
12:04We sit together and have meetings.
12:06There are many opinions.
12:08There are 3, 4, 5, 6 different opinions.
12:10But after that,
12:11the decision is made
12:12and it is implemented.
12:13So, no.
12:16I don't think it is okay.
12:17It is a crisis.
12:18Okay, there is no crisis.
12:19No.
12:20Okay, now the protest that you want to do,
12:21we saw it for the first time
12:22when Ali Amin Gandapur came to Islamabad.
12:24We saw him for some time.
12:25We did not see him.
12:26And after that,
12:27the impression was given
12:28that it will be very easy.
12:30He has said something like this.
12:32After that,
12:33we saw some confidence building measures.
12:37Bushra Bibi Sahiba also came out.
12:39Two of which you do not agree
12:40that there is some link with it.
12:42This time,
12:43when Gandapur Sahib will come to Islamabad,
12:45how do you think he will play out
12:48and why will the government let him come?
12:51And how will he come here and enter?
12:54They will try to stop you, right?
12:56We should not be in this condition
12:57that the government will let us come.
12:59We should not be in this condition
13:01that other powers will let us come.
13:03Lastly, at the end of the day,
13:05a feeling of confrontation,
13:06a situation of confrontation
13:07that I am seeing will be created.
13:09Now, the one who has public support,
13:11he will get a sentence.
13:12The one who has administrative power,
13:14won't he get it?
13:15Administrative powers have been used
13:16for the past two and a half years.
13:17What have they made?
13:18Is the party broken?
13:20We have faced so much oppression and oppression,
13:22yet the party is broken.
13:23What was their purpose?
13:24The last purpose.
13:25But you are not able to get the crowd
13:27that you can get on the streets.
13:29This is also a fact.
13:30A crowd will come.
13:31You are not able to get it in Punjab.
13:32That is why all this is being prepared.
13:34This preparatory phase is because
13:36we are mobilizing people at every UC level.
13:40We are mobilizing people at every UC level.
13:42In Punjab, Sindh, KP,
13:44in Ruchistan, everywhere.
13:46You see, you have forgotten
13:47what happened in Quetta yesterday.
13:49Quetta was closed yesterday.
13:51It was literally locked down.
13:53After that, the police shot there.
13:5515-15 people went to the hospital.
13:58Jalsa is 100 km away in Sawabi.
14:00Islamabad is locked down.
14:02Motorways are locked down.
14:03So, what does this mean?
14:05They are scared.
14:08They are very scared.
14:10And why are they scared?
14:11They are scared of the public.
14:12So, they will be scared and leave?
14:13They will be scared and leave?
14:15They will be scared and leave?
14:17The element of fear matters.
14:20I don't understand the political roadmap.
14:22I want to know.
14:23You will come to Islamabad.
14:24You will protest.
14:25What will happen then?
14:26I have given you the answer.
14:28The limits will come in front of you.
14:30As time goes by,
14:32as our preparation progresses,
14:35as it is finalized,
14:37the limits will come in front of you.
14:39There is protest.
14:40There are different manifestations of protest.
14:42Maybe we should use one method.
14:44Maybe we should use ten methods.
14:46We have to build the government.
14:48We have to crumble the government.
14:49We can see that it will happen soon.
14:51Thank you very much, Mr. Aluf Hussain.
14:53We will go to the next segment.
14:54We will come back.
14:55We are challenging the 26th amendment.
14:56There are many political figures in Pakistan.
14:58There are Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar and Mr. Mingle.
15:00We will talk to them in the next segment of the break.
15:03We will ask them how many opportunities they see
15:06that this petition of theirs will reach some place.
15:10Stay with us.
15:11Welcome back.
15:12The implementation of the 26th amendment has begun.
15:14We have seen that the Sindh government has passed a resolution.
15:17We have also seen the formation of a bench
15:21and the endorsement of the Supreme Court.
15:23But there are a lot of requests against it.
15:26People are challenging it.
15:28In the Supreme Court,
15:29there have been a total of eight requests
15:31against the 26th amendment.
15:33In the Supreme Court,
15:34there have been a total of eight requests
15:36against the 26th amendment.
15:38In the Supreme Court,
15:39there have been a total of eight requests
15:41against the 26th amendment.
15:43Yesterday, a joint request was made.
15:46In the joint request,
15:47the 26th amendment has been challenged
15:49to be approved.
15:50In the amendment,
15:51the freedom of justice has been questioned.
15:54It has been challenged to be repealed.
15:56In the request,
15:57the position has been adopted
15:58that in the past,
15:59through justice,
16:00there has been interference
16:01in the rights of the executive and the legislature.
16:03However,
16:04through the 26th amendment,
16:06the parliament has interfered
16:07in the rights of the judiciary.
16:09This amendment should be put before the full court.
16:12There are requests against the 26th amendment.
16:15But before that,
16:16there was a development in the court.
16:18Two senior judges
16:19wrote a letter to the Chief Justice
16:20and requested him
16:21to bring the matter
16:22before the full court.
16:24In response to the requests
16:25made against the 26th amendment,
16:27two senior judges of the Supreme Court,
16:29Justice Mansoor Ali Shah
16:30and Justice Mureed Akhtar
16:31wrote to the Chief Justice
16:32and requested him
16:33to put the case of the 26th amendment
16:35before the full court.
16:37In the letter,
16:38both the judges said
16:39that in the committee meeting
16:40of 31st October,
16:41the case of the 26th amendment
16:42was decided to be put
16:43before the full court
16:44and that the case
16:45would be heard
16:46before the full court
16:47on 4th November.
16:48However,
16:49no cause list has been issued yet.
16:50In their letter,
16:51both the judges
16:52instructed the registrar
16:53of the Supreme Court
16:54to issue the meeting minutes
16:55of 31st October
16:56on the website.
16:57As per my knowledge,
16:58this work has not been done yet.
17:00Mr. Hamid Khan
17:01has also entered
17:02the judicial arena
17:03in this matter.
17:04Along with this,
17:05he says that
17:06he will try to gather
17:07some movement
17:08or lawyers.
17:09Please listen to what he says.
17:10We have filed petitions.
17:12Along with this,
17:13petitions have been filed.
17:15Files have been filed
17:16from other provinces
17:17like Balochistan.
17:18Files have been filed
17:19from Sindh.
17:20Files have been filed
17:21from Abbottabad.
17:22Various war associations
17:23are also filing.
17:24The 26th amendment
17:25is a challenge.
17:26We will fight for it
17:27till the end
17:28and we will try
17:29in every way
17:30that the 26th amendment
17:32is abolished
17:33because this is the biggest
17:34pressure on the constitution
17:35in the country.
17:36We will talk about
17:37the programme.
17:38I have with me
17:39Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar
17:40who is one of the
17:41petitioners.
17:42Along with him
17:43is Mr. Hassan Raza Pasha
17:44who is the former
17:45chairman of
17:46the Pakistan Bar Council.
17:47The situation is
17:48that Mr. Mustafa
17:49you are going
17:50to challenge
17:51this amendment
17:52but technically
17:53the Sindh Assembly
17:54has approved it.
17:55The bench has been formed.
17:56For now,
17:57they will work
17:58on it.
18:00All the seniors
18:01will work on it
18:02till the 26th amendment
18:03is taken up again.
18:04The bench has been
18:05formed in Wifaq as well.
18:06How will this
18:07be heard now?
18:08How will this
18:09move forward?
18:10Because the court
18:11has accepted it
18:12and has not even
18:13put it in full court.
18:14I feel that
18:15this matter
18:16is done and dusted.
18:17In our opinion
18:18it is not done
18:19and dusted.
18:20We will continue
18:21our efforts
18:22against this amendment.
18:23And the points
18:24on which we have
18:25gone to the Supreme
18:26Court,
18:27the first point
18:28is that
18:29this constitutional
18:30bench
18:31cannot hear
18:32this matter.
18:33Because it is
18:34a by-product
18:35of the 26th
18:36constitutional
18:37amendment
18:38and because
18:39it is a by-product
18:40of that,
18:41they have
18:42a direct interest
18:43in it.
18:44So we
18:45want
18:46that
18:47the full
18:48court
18:49should hear
18:50this case.
18:51When we were
18:52students
18:53in the first
18:54year of LLB,
18:55the first
18:56lesson
18:57that we
18:58studied in
18:59constitutional
19:00law was
19:01about natural
19:02justice.
19:03And it
19:04has some
19:05basic
19:06requirements
19:07of justice
19:08in which
19:09there is
19:10the Latin
19:11phrase
19:12which
19:13defines it
19:14and says
19:15that a man
19:16cannot be a
19:17judge in
19:18his own
19:19cause.
19:20So our
19:21first
19:22intention
19:23would be
19:24that the
19:25full court
19:26The Constitution is based on the principles of the Constitution.
19:29Our Constitution guarantees the freedom of justice.
19:32And through this constitutional amendment, the executive has gained control over justice.
19:37Not only has he gained control, but he has also enshrined it.
19:41And all these intentions are of a political nature.
19:45Why should justice be enshrined?
19:47Our Constitution guarantees the freedom of justice.
19:50Whereas Mr. Bhutto, who is not only the framer of the Constitution,
19:55but you can also call him the father of the 1973 Constitution,
19:58when the 1973 Constitution was being passed,
20:01he addressed this issue himself.
20:03And these are his words in his speech.
20:05When the Constitution was being passed, he said,
20:09we have not given unlimited powers to the Parliament in this Constitution.
20:14We have imposed restrictions on the powers of the Parliament.
20:17We have imposed restrictions on human rights.
20:20We have imposed restrictions on the freedom of justice.
20:23And these are the decisions of the Supreme Court in the future.
20:26One of them is the case of Rawalpindi District Bar Association,
20:29in which 13 judges of the Supreme Court have said that
20:33there are three salient features of our Constitution.
20:36And the Parliament cannot touch those three salient features.
20:40One of them is federalism.
20:42The second one is about the independence of judiciary.
20:46And the third one is the parliamentary form of government.
20:52The Supreme Court of the Parliament has already said these three features.
20:56And then our third point is that,
20:58the defects of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in this legislation,
21:01the defects in the process,
21:03that there were no elections of the Senate in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
21:07and those elections were not based on bad intentions.
21:11If the elections had been held in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
21:14like in other provinces six months ago,
21:17then today in the National Assembly and especially in the Senate,
21:2211 seats of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa would have been more.
21:25The law that has been passed, the 26th amendment,
21:29required 65 seats for two majority.
21:32The government passed it on the basis of one vote.
21:36And then the way Sardar Akhtar Mengal is on record,
21:41along with him is the main petitioner, Fahmina Birza,
21:44that the manner in which it was passed,
21:47that the way their members were kidnapped,
21:50they were harassed,
21:51the Supreme Court has also asked for a judicial inquiry
21:54as to whether those people voted independently
21:57or they were forced to vote.
21:59So you have two points.
22:00One is that you have a disagreement with the spirit and the method.
22:03With everything.
22:04So both are on the front.
22:07Mr. Pasha, this point is being criticized again and again
22:12that there is a conflict of interest.
22:13When this amendment is being challenged,
22:16then wouldn't it be better
22:18to have a clear decision on the issues to be challenged first?
22:22After that, there should be a formation of a legal bench.
22:25After that, the cases should be sorted out
22:27and put in front of different legal benches.
22:29If this is a challenge now,
22:31then we are going in circles, right?
22:33Until we make a fundamental decision,
22:35all the petitions of the 26th amendment,
22:37in which it has been challenged,
22:39in which the process has also been challenged,
22:41the basic concept of the process has also been challenged.
22:43After that, the benches should be made.
22:45After that, a legal bench should be formed.
22:48In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the ever Merciful.
22:50Look, I completely agree with a few things of Mr. Khokhar
22:55and I agree with him.
22:58But there are some things that will have to be seen
23:02that why did the current parliament need
23:06to interfere in these matters of the court?
23:11Some of the history of the court is not so golden,
23:15which we should appreciate that it is very good.
23:18For example, the same court, which we call free,
23:21endorsed Zia-ul-Haq's martial law.
23:24The same court, which we call free,
23:27hanged Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in the era of Zia-ul-Haq.
23:32The same court, which we call free,
23:35gave the authority to Prez Musharraf for three years
23:40that he can do it for three years.
23:43He can make amendments in the law.
23:45Only one person can do it.
23:47The same court, which we call free,
23:50also endorsed Prez Musharraf's martial law.
23:53So there are also those in this court
23:55who did not take an oath under the PCO.
23:58There are also those in this court
24:01who did not take an oath under the LFO.
24:04There were also judges in this court
24:07who agreed to be arrested,
24:09but did not agree to bow down in front of Amar.
24:13So, these golden and black actions,
24:16this court has not taken.
24:19But Pashaswam, whatever political reasons you are giving me,
24:23my question was very basic and technical.
24:26As a lawyer, do you think that
24:28these petitions should be heard first,
24:31and then the benches should be formed?
24:34I would like to say that
24:36there can be a difference in methodology,
24:39but there cannot be a difference in the power of the parliament.
24:43The parliament used its power
24:45and stepped in a little in the judiciary,
24:48just like the judiciary steps in the power of the parliament every day.
24:54So, I say that there has been an excess,
24:57there has been an excess in the judiciary,
25:00which is very important to balance.
25:03Now let's come to this,
25:05the 26th amendment has been implemented,
25:08under which the Chief Justice took an oath,
25:11the parliamentary committee,
25:13sorry, the committee,
25:15under the Practice and Procedure Act,
25:18has been formed,
25:20now it has to decide how,
25:23I understand as a student of law,
25:26that if the implementation of the amendment has been done,
25:30and in this, the senior puny judge,
25:33Justice Murshid Ali Shah,
25:35he himself said this in several cases,
25:38and expressed his reluctance to listen to that case,
25:42that this is a constitutional matter,
25:45and it is a constitutional matter,
25:48and the constitutional bench has to listen to it,
25:51so he too,
25:53But Mr. Pasha, he and the senior judges have also written in the letter,
25:57that this matter should be presented in front of the full court,
26:00do you think that the full court should hear this matter once?
26:03I think that when the implementation of the 26th amendment has been done,
26:08then the full court will not listen,
26:10the constitutional bench, which will be the full bench,
26:13can listen,
26:14otherwise the full court does not have this power,
26:17because the 26th amendment,
26:19with its full power,
26:21with its full weight,
26:23has been implemented.
26:25So if the senior judges want to express their desire in this regard,
26:29that it should be kept in the full court,
26:31even then they should not listen?
26:33I don't think so,
26:34because at that time,
26:36the formation of the committee was not complete,
26:39you will remember,
26:41that when Qazi Faisal Sahib was there,
26:43the decision made by two members,
26:45these people,
26:47the rest of the friends,
26:49condemned that two people do not have the power,
26:51there should be a three-member committee.
26:53So where were the third judges,
26:55who participated in that committee,
26:57and made this decision?
26:59Although they can give different notes,
27:02despite that,
27:04the formation of the committee was not complete.
27:06Therefore,
27:08I will say this with great regret,
27:10that is,
27:12was the formalization of the committee done?
27:16Were the three members complete?
27:18Was the agenda prepared?
27:21Were the minutes of the committee,
27:25officially prepared?
27:29So basically you are saying,
27:31that the matter cannot go in front of the full court,
27:33nor should it be heard,
27:35the implementation has been done,
27:37the full court cannot do anything in this regard.
27:39This is my personal opinion,
27:41it is not possible.
27:43I will take the answer from Mr. Muslima,
27:45because you think it is possible.
27:47So here it is a matter of law interpretation,
27:49it is a matter of technical process interpretation.
27:51Look,
27:53Mr. Pasha is very respectable for me,
27:55and he has agreed to this,
27:57and his words were,
27:59that the parliament has stepped in,
28:01has stepped in,
28:03in the judicial domain.
28:05He then made us count a lot of political history,
28:09he also said the right things.
28:11Freedom of justice is a desire of all of us,
28:13and if the executive gets the authority,
28:15and follows the justice,
28:17then we have also seen the 90s,
28:19in which in the 90s,
28:21my judge, your judge,
28:23this my judge and your judge,
28:25who took out the whip of justice,
28:27and as a result,
28:29the matter reached the stage,
28:31that one high court,
28:33one supreme court,
28:35is giving decisions against the other courts.
28:37And then ultimately,
28:39the Supreme Court was attacked.
28:41We have also seen the 90s.
28:43We should try,
28:45okay, you can accuse me of this,
28:47that it is an idealistic thought,
28:49but this idealistic thought,
28:51foresees, lays out,
28:53our own constitution.
28:55Because of bad judges,
28:57we cannot demolish
28:59the concept of complete freedom of justice.
29:01Today, if we allow this,
29:03and do not stand in front of it,
29:05then the freedom of expression
29:07will also be taken from this country,
29:09which you sit on the media in this country.
29:11Our other friends who are on the media,
29:13we know what the situation is,
29:15what the situation has been in the past,
29:17and if in the future,
29:19if someone in front of you,
29:21the support of a drop of water,
29:23if such an opportunity comes,
29:25then the freedom of expression
29:27will also be taken from you.
29:29The constitutional guarantees
29:31will also be taken from you.
29:33We have seen,
29:35to the extent of persecution,
29:37they are our colleagues,
29:39even though I have a political disagreement
29:41with them,
29:43I do not agree with their political thinking,
29:45but what we have done in this country,
29:47the sanctity of four walls,
29:49our oriental traditions,
29:51if someone is going to stand somewhere,
29:53then it is not a crime to have this desire.
29:55It is not a crime to have this desire,
29:57as upset as you seem to me,
29:59I just want to know,
30:01those who want to practice
30:03in front of the courts,
30:05are they not worried
30:07that if the government
30:09gives executive control once,
30:11then the matter does not go
30:13to the other side,
30:15does not go to extreme control,
30:17does not become dependent
30:19on the judiciary of the executive,
30:21do you not worry about this?
30:23Maria, this is a misconception
30:25that has gone into the control of the executive.
30:27I do not think that
30:29it has gone into the control
30:31of our judicial executive in any way.
30:33Now you see,
30:35before the 18th amendment,
30:37what was the procedure
30:39for appointing judges
30:41in the Supreme Court?
30:43It was that the governor
30:45used to consult
30:47with the chief justice of that province,
30:49and then
30:51the governor
30:53used to send a notification
30:55to the President of Pakistan
30:57and the governor
30:59certainly
31:01used to consult with the Chief Justice of Pakistan
31:03and those 100%
31:05elevations
31:07were done by the executive.
31:09So,
31:11were there no judges
31:13who did not
31:15object under the PCO,
31:17were there no judges
31:19who did not
31:21object under the LFO,
31:23were there no judges
31:25who gave dissenting notes
31:27to the Supreme Court?
31:29Now you see,
31:31in the formation
31:33of the Constitutional Bench,
31:35which judge
31:37will work under the executive?
31:39Tell me this.
31:41Sir, I cannot take the names of the judges,
31:43but the tilt of the vote was very clear there,
31:45the tilt of the vote was very clear,
31:47the government had a majority,
31:49they were in a position
31:51to form a bench.
31:53Listen to me,
31:55they have formed a bench,
31:57but what has happened is that
31:59in the earlier judicial commission,
32:01four,
32:03five people have been added.
32:05There are four parliamentarians,
32:07two from the treasury benches
32:09and two from the opposition.
32:11and two from the opposition.
32:13and two from the opposition.
32:15They have become equal,
32:17one is from the civil society,
32:19one is from the civil society,
32:21appointed by the government.
32:23So that is also your vote.
32:25Tell me this,
32:27there are five judges
32:29in the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
32:31five judges,
32:33and the majority is of the judiciary,
32:35the majority is of the judiciary,
32:37there are four from the parliament.
32:39there are four from the parliament.
32:41So you are satisfied
32:43that there is no threat
32:45to the freedom of the court?
32:47Are you satisfied with this?
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