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Khawateen Kay Haqooq Sirf Govt Mein Khawateen Kay Hen? - Kashif Abbasi Raises Important Questions
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guests:
- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Waseem Badami (Analyst)
- Ather Kazmi (Analyst)
Khawateen Kay Haqooq Sirf Govt Mein Khawateen Kay Hen? - Kashif Abbasi Raises Important Questions
'Constitutional Package' set to see light of day? - Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, Waseem Badami's Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with me, Kashif Abbasi, Intizaad
00:17Panjotha, who is leading the legal team of Tariq-e-Insaaf, or it can be said that he
00:24is an important part of it.
00:26He is missing since last evening. It would be better if he is told where he is.
00:30Usually, the police arrest him or he is arrested in a case.
00:34They arrest him, everyone knows that he is in the police station.
00:37People try to bail him out, the police try to remand him.
00:40But he is missing in such a way that we don't even know where he is.
00:43And he is also an important member of a big political party.
00:47Let's hope that we find out where he is soon.
00:50On the other hand, the two sisters of Tariq-e-Insaaf and Imran Khan,
00:54Aleema Khan and Rizwa Khan, have been in jail for five days.
00:57I think when women come into politics, we should not discriminate.
01:03It is good that all of them are slowly going to jail.
01:07But when you come into politics as a woman, try to be a woman of the royal family of politics.
01:13Because the political rights in this country are only with the women of the royal family.
01:21If you are a big leader of the political party,
01:25if you are related to that house,
01:28then people will also protest, there will be rallies in your favor.
01:31There will also be a talk of protecting your rights.
01:34It is not about protecting the rights of ordinary people.
01:37The poor women are crying in the jails.
01:39What does not happen to the women who come into politics in this country?
01:44How do they not get the status that the royal family women get?
01:50But there is a tradition in our country that when politicians are in their own government,
01:55they do not see other women.
01:59But when they are in the opposition, they think that the women who are near their house,
02:05who are big people, like a sister or a daughter,
02:08that how much injustice is done against them.
02:10I just want to tell you a story of Mr. Bilawal.
02:12When an incident took place,
02:14a woman named Mariam Nawaz Sahiba went to Karachi and she was arrested.
02:23So what speech did Mr. Bilawal give?
02:43So there are speeches like this.
02:46Both of them are still in politics.
02:50Many other politicians are also in politics.
02:53About a thousand protestors were arrested in Islamabad.
02:56Now let's talk about politics.
02:58There are a lot of legal, democratic, moral big towers that are turning upside down.
03:02A lot of political parties are being exposed.
03:07And they are being exposed because
03:09those people who raise slogans of democracy in winter and summer,
03:14when we hear non-democratic speeches from their mouth,
03:17it is a pity.
03:18These days, we are hearing a lot of such speeches.
03:22A similar kind of speech is being discussed.
03:25There is going to be a constitutional amendment.
03:27A lot of effort is being made to amend the constitution.
03:29But why is it happening?
03:30Because the judge is not in control.
03:32Judges should be in control.
03:34The judge that we appoint should be controlled by all the other judges.
03:38So that the judge gives the decision that the Chief Justice of Pakistan wants.
03:41We don't want a free judge.
03:43We don't want such judges in the Supreme Court.
03:46Who can make wrong decisions but with their own thoughts.
03:49We want a judge who makes decisions according to our will.
03:52And according to the will of our appointed Chief Justice.
03:54If this kind of thought is expressed,
03:56if its translation and explanation is done,
03:58then Mr. Bilawal's speech,
04:01it means what Mr. Bilawal said yesterday.
04:04In the case of Chief Justice Faiz Issa,
04:07we saw for the first time that a sitting Chief Justice,
04:10leaves his authority and shares that authority with other judges.
04:14But then you reversed that.
04:15But I don't have the confidence
04:17that Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah will be able to control the other judges
04:20on his Supreme Court.
04:23If we can go beyond this, then he also said this.
04:25He said, I don't have confidence in Mansoor Ali Shah.
04:27Some of who have shown a tendency
04:30that be it in 63A case,
04:33be it in the original practice and procedure case,
04:36whatever their position may be today,
04:38they have time and again proved that they are willing to go beyond the constitution
04:42to achieve a political aim.
04:44They are ready to go beyond the constitution to achieve political goals.
04:49It is okay if a politician removes the dead body of the practice and procedure bill.
04:54The judge cannot remove it.
04:56A practice and procedure bill came.
04:58It was made into a law.
04:59It was said that democracy is being brought to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
05:03When they needed it,
05:05they amended it through an ordinance.
05:09And gave the authority to a judge
05:11to include another judge in the committee of his choice.
05:14They want, Mr. Bilawal,
05:16that the Supreme Court should be like this.
05:19I used to listen to slogans in movies.
05:23Now I think I will have to tailor it a little.
05:26How should our Supreme Court be?
05:28As we wish.
05:30We need a Supreme Court like this.
05:32And for this amendment,
05:34this People's Party is ready to build a lottery factory.
05:39Yesterday, Mr. Bilawal justified that too.
05:45Will Bilawal Bhutto Zardari be okay
05:47if an amendment is brought through lottery?
05:50In politics, you don't always have an ideal scenario.
05:53And if we have to choose between a two-thirds constitutional amendment
05:57on the basis of parliamentarians who chose to vote against their party line,
06:02that wouldn't be my ideal scenario.
06:04But that's a perfectly constitutional and legitimate way
06:07to get votes for a constitutional amendment.
06:09But to say that I should completely rule out the idea
06:13that the Pakistan People's Party will not and will never
06:16support a constitutional amendment
06:18on the basis of members changing sides of the aisle,
06:21I can't give you that comment.
06:51I can't give you that comment.
07:21He sold his conscience within half an hour.
07:24He weakened the democracy.
07:26He weakened the system.
07:52Thank God, I'm satisfied.
07:55And a few days ago,
07:57I was at the Lawyers' Convention
08:00with the senior member of the Islamabad Bar Council,
08:04Mr. Ali Mubassi.
08:06He had a very close relationship with the People's Party.
08:10Despite that, he attended the convention and gave a speech.
08:14The people of the Islamabad district
08:17who are members of the People's Party,
08:20including Mr. Shafil Abassi,
08:22who is also a member of the Bar Council,
08:24also attended the convention.
08:26Mr. Abassi, everyone is standing properly.
08:29Today, many people,
08:31despite being members of the People's Party,
08:34are wondering why the People's Party
08:37has worn the crown of failure
08:39to bring about a constitutional amendment
08:42to the Muslim League Noon.
08:45I think the next prime minister will be Mr. Bilawar.
08:48Whatever the motivations may be.
08:50Can there be any other motivations?
08:52I saw Mr. Raza Rabbani's press statement.
08:56He was a senior parliamentarian.
09:01He has done a lot for the 18th amendment.
09:06He has also served as chairman of the senate.
09:09We support him across the party lines.
09:12He has said in the People's Party
09:14that you cannot bring about a constitutional amendment
09:17by taking renegade votes.
09:19If you do, you will make it controversial.
09:21On the one hand, people around you,
09:24people in your party,
09:26want you not to go this way.
09:29They want you to bring about a constitutional amendment.
09:32Do you remember, Mr. Khokhar,
09:34you mentioned Mr. Raza Rabbani.
09:36Mr. Raza Rabbani had voted for the military court.
09:40He had cried his eyes out.
09:42If I may say so.
09:43In the same senate.
09:44But he had also said that his vote is in the hands of his party.
09:47Yes, that's right.
09:48But is it only in the hands of the party
09:50when you are from the People's Party?
09:52Almiya is with all political parties.
09:57Are you worried about what Mr. Bilawar is doing?
10:01I am sad.
10:02I am sad, frankly.
10:03I am sad because
10:06I am very supportive of his ideology.
10:11But in the last few years,
10:13there has been a transition
10:15in which the politics of the People's Party
10:18has shifted towards power politics.
10:21He has his own arguments.
10:24But I think that if Mr. Bilawar
10:27wants to revive the party in Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
10:32then he is not doing the politics
10:36that is needed to revive the party.
10:39He is doing the politics
10:41that some people in the party
10:43have put him on a pedestal
10:45to do this work.
10:47Those people are sitting in good offices today.
10:49Whatever is outside.
10:50They say, I have an office.
10:52Now it's your turn.
10:53If you do this work, you will get an office.
10:55I can only hope and want
10:57that the People's Party
10:59is a liberal progressive party.
11:02In the politics of Pakistan,
11:04it should have a strong voice.
11:07It should have a strong voice.
11:12Sir, let me say.
11:13Waseem, you tell me your view on this.
11:15You are surprised.
11:16But let me say before I say that.
11:18With the governance of the People's Party
11:20or politics,
11:21you will have 10,000 disagreements
11:23with the politics of every political party.
11:25Like when I said the royal family,
11:27Imran Khan's sisters are also
11:29party leader's sisters.
11:31That's why we are talking.
11:32No one talks about women here.
11:34They are fighting.
11:36But whenever you talk about
11:38constitution, law, democracy,
11:40human rights,
11:41or there was a time when
11:43there was a need to strike,
11:44you would immediately turn to the People's Party
11:46that the People's Party will stand.
11:48The People's Party will defend these things.
11:50The People's Party is with democracy.
11:52The People's Party with constitution,
11:54law, morality
11:56will stand with these principles.
11:58Do you think the People's Party
12:00is standing there or has it moved from its place?
12:06Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
12:07Obviously, it has moved.
12:08It has moved a lot.
12:09And it is also regrettable.
12:10Because obviously,
12:12especially when young politicians
12:14expect more.
12:16The first shock or regret
12:18I had was
12:20that the way
12:22the mayor of Karachi
12:24was elected.
12:26He is a very good friend of ours.
12:28He is our brother.
12:30But the way the whole thing happened,
12:32how can we support him?
12:34Where it was clear in the number game
12:36that the mayor of the People's Party
12:38cannot be elected.
12:40But on the day of the election,
12:42the X number of people did not come.
12:44They later openly said that
12:46we were not allowed to come.
12:48The election was held that day
12:50and the mayor of Karachi was elected.
12:52It seems that no one has learned a lesson
12:54from history.
12:56This is the history of Pakistani politicians.
12:58You were showing the old clips.
13:00You were doing the right thing.
13:02When the same thing happened with the People's Party,
13:04that someone voted against their party policy,
13:06they were saying that this is a
13:08backstabbing act of the democracy.
13:10Today they are defending it.
13:12But let me tell you one more thing.
13:14Listen, look at the beneficiary of that time
13:16on TV.
13:18How Pakistan was celebrating
13:20when at that time
13:22there were 14 people
13:24who had returned.
13:26They had saved Sadiq Sanjrani
13:28as chairman of the senate.
13:30You can see the bench
13:32of the government of that time.
13:34You can see their side, their floor.
13:36Celebrations are being held.
13:38So those who were celebrating that time,
13:40today they are standing on the other side.
13:42Those who were on the receiving end
13:44and who thought that there was a knife
13:46in the back of democracy,
13:48today they are on the receiving end.
13:50That's the irony.
14:18They had taken out the cameras.
14:48It is high time that politicians realize
14:50that no one is ready to learn a lesson.
14:52The lesson is so fine.
14:54No one learns a lesson.
14:56Our country's problem is that
14:58it will go on like this.
15:00It is high time that politicians realize
15:02that no one is ready to learn a lesson.
15:04The lesson is so fine.
15:06It is high time that politicians realize
15:08that no one is ready to learn a lesson.
15:10The lesson is so fine.
15:12It is high time that politicians realize
15:14that no one is ready to learn a lesson.
15:16Our country's problem is that
15:18it will go on like this.
15:20This is the biggest problem.
15:22What is the election commission going to do?
15:24The election commission will do
15:26what it has been doing till now.
15:28See, the government has given them
15:30all the material.
15:32They have legislated.
15:34The speaker has written two letters
15:36and said that he has whistled.
15:38Now the election commission has to
15:40make a decision.
15:42It is the Supreme Court's decision.
15:44They have to vote for them.
15:46I think that the government is telling
15:48them to give their seats to the people
15:50with whom they have been elected.
15:52Then why would they not
15:54vote for them?
15:56They are fighting for other people's seats.
15:58Farooq Ashq Naik has gone to the
16:00Peshawar High Court.
16:02He has gone to the Supreme Court.
16:04Then why would they not
16:06vote for the people with whom
16:08they have been elected?
16:10Let's be honest.
17:12We are so unfortunate that we have never experienced a real democracy.
17:16People keep the People's Party at the top.
17:19But we don't know the history of the People's Party.
17:22We don't know how Bhutto won the election or how Sheikh Mujibur Rahman won the election.
17:28We don't know how they managed the government.
17:30They got rid of Atta-Ullah Mengal's government.
17:32They put Governor Raj there.
17:34Whatever they did in their time, we saw democracy there.
17:38But unfortunately, we don't have anything else to celebrate.
17:42But I think that's a very... I understand that there are problems.
17:47Yes, there are problems, but...
17:49But a lot of...
17:51For 30 years, your country has been running without a constitution.
17:54Give credit to the person who gave the constitution to this country.
17:57The person who created political space.
18:00And today we are going to destroy that constitution.
18:03And we are destroying the federation and the national unity.
18:07And it's a shame that...
18:09He's pointing at the old people.
18:12No, the problem is...
18:13It's a historical fact.
18:15No, no.
18:16I want to add a small thing.
18:17No one is denying it.
18:1850 years ago, they gave the constitution.
18:20But in that same era, they didn't let Moulana Abbasi fight the elections.
18:24Today, we say, get the people up.
18:26So this is also a part of our history.
18:28I'm not saying that it's ideal or it was some other ideal.
18:30But we have to accept it.
18:31Until we don't accept it, but...
18:33Look, there have been problems.
18:35No one is going to disagree with you.
18:37Like I said, if you read the history of that time...
18:40The opposition became a federal force.
18:42The opposition was criticized.
18:44There must have been big problems.
18:46There have been.
18:47But there have been many good things too.
18:49A transitionary system came towards democracy.
18:52You brought your establishment behind you.
18:55That this country will be run by Democrats.
18:58No, the biggest thing, Kashif bhai...
19:00Look, we should keep in mind the situation at that time.
19:02We can't imagine that if this incident happened in our lives,
19:05then what would have happened to us psychologically.
19:08The country is broken.
19:09Two lakhs have been lost.
19:1190,000 soldiers are in your custody.
19:13And the credit for uniting that broken Pakistan goes to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
19:20As a politician, I have made dozens of mistakes.
19:23I have made dozens of mistakes.
19:25But the historical facts are there in their place.
19:27They must have made mistakes too.
19:29And they have made mistakes.
19:30There is no doubt about it.
19:31But when you look at it from a historical point of view,
19:33then that person has made a huge contribution to Pakistan.
19:36And then, what they had to go through.
19:39I mean, it's not just about democracy.
19:42Being a Bhutto fan, growing up being a Bhutto fan,
19:47let me also say, because I come from a very, very strong people's party.
19:52My brother knows it.
19:54But later when I read it, I found out that there were problems.
19:57There were problems.
19:58And the one you are talking about.
19:59I mean, you can see from the time of Ayub Khan,
20:02where your politics started.
20:03But there are a lot of credits.
20:04There are a lot of credits.
20:05And you have said that you are a people's party fan.
20:07We were also given the people's party since childhood.
20:10So, this is not an issue.
20:11There is so much malice of the people's party.
20:13If you look around, and the number of people who were pro-people's party,
20:17whom you pushed away,
20:19who opposed your policies, your politics, your governance.
20:23Where is the politics of the left today?
20:25Where did it go?
20:26Politics of rights.
20:27Politics of principles.
20:29Let me take a break.
20:30We will come back to it after the break.
20:31Let's talk more.
20:32What if the election commission of Pakistan gives a decision tomorrow?
20:36Then what?
20:37They will say that these seats are given to the ruling party.
20:40The Supreme Court knows, we know.
20:42There is defiance in the system.
20:43And defiance is coming because someone has put their hand behind it.
20:46Then what happens?
20:47Let's take a break, viewers.
20:48We will come back after the break.
20:52Welcome back, viewers.
20:54Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar.
20:56What have you done?
20:58You went to court against the parliament.
21:02Non-democratic attitude.
21:03How non-democratic?
21:04That's a good word.
21:06The petition I filed there,
21:09I did not say that the parliament does not have the right to make laws or make laws.
21:16I did not deny that at all.
21:18I just filed there that the way the 18th amendment was being implemented,
21:23the public at large was given the opportunity to come to the committee to give an opinion on the amendment.
21:30It was said in the newspapers that they can also give their opinion through a letter.
21:34So today, the attempt to pass the amendment within a day,
21:38that you violate the whole process,
21:40the process in which it is given that when the bill will be tabled in the National Assembly,
21:45it will go to the committee.
21:46There will be deliberations in the committee.
21:48After the deliberations, it will come back to the house.
21:51There will be voting on it.
21:52You are rejecting all this.
21:53You say that we have to get it passed from the National Assembly within a day.
21:57We have to get it passed from the Senate.
21:58And no one has to tell.
21:59And no one has to tell.
22:00MNA, Senators, they themselves do not know what is in it.
22:03That night, I myself called someone.
22:05It was going to be a Sunday.
22:06It was 10 o'clock at night.
22:07I said, sir, we just have to wait.
22:10Whoever comes, we will read.
22:12You just have to vote.
22:13Yes, sir.
22:14Yes, sir.
22:15Yes, sir.
22:16So my request there is only this.
22:17Sir, but this is democracy.
22:18Look, don't let anyone's conscience wake up.
22:20First, you give a constitution.
22:21It is possible that someone's conscience will wake up.
22:22Look, whatever legislation is being done, it is the right of the citizens of the whole of Pakistan that they know what is happening.
22:29Today, no one in the whole of Pakistan knows.
22:31And my request is only that the government should be banned so that it is made public.
22:36Whatever legislation is being done and to include public consultation in it.
22:41To make Citizens at Large participatory.
22:44To bring transparency.
22:45Which court?
22:46Islamabad High Court.
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38:28Go in world and find out the truth because you can never get a good answer without
38:35trying.
38:36But Good people will go and they will never try.
38:39That's what I think.
38:40Yeah?
38:41Well it's a very big step forward.
38:43I think we should consider that we need to change the context of the conversation.
38:49Pakistan's governance has become very complex.
38:51In this way, matters cannot be handled in a bad way.
38:54Whatever little economic gain indicators you have,
38:57which have improved a little in the last few months,
38:59which are now coming in front of us, you will lose that too.
39:01Yeah, that's true, but nobody wants to learn.
39:03I think that the day democracy comes in the parties,
39:06the system of this country will start improving.
39:08You make those decisions like a king.