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Host:
- Kashif Abbasi

Guests:
- Mohammad Zubair Umar (Politician)
- Khawar Ghumman (Analyst)
- Rauf Klasra (Analyst)

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Transcript
00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16Let me introduce the guests.
00:18Mohammad Jubeir is with us from Karachi.
00:20From Islamabad, we have Mr. Rauf Qalasa and Mr. Khawar Ghumman.
00:22I have introduced them.
00:24Now let's talk about politics.
00:26The political parties of the world are stuck somewhere.
00:30Mr. Mian is going to London.
00:32But whenever a party is in power, it has to manage two things.
00:37One is governance and the other is politics.
00:40At the moment, the politics of the Muslim League is a victim of chaos.
00:45It is not moving forward.
00:47It is not going anywhere.
00:49The party is not doing anything politically.
00:52You can see a rare appearance on the TV screen.
00:56Mr. Mian was seen giving relief.
01:00Otherwise, he is trying to stay away from the media.
01:04He is not talking about politics.
01:06I have not seen any interaction of Mr. Nawaz Sharif in which there has been a lot of discussion on politics.
01:12On the other hand, there is the politics of the PTI.
01:14The politics of the PTI is now revolving around the Jalsa on the 8th.
01:21Today, when Mr. Imran Khan spoke to the journalists,
01:27they said that the people who are underground should not come out.
01:31This means that the PTI does not want to change politics.
01:34They do not want people to come out and do something.
01:36They also feel that there is no time.
01:38It will take a long time to move forward.
01:40Whatever political decisions will have to be made, the people who are hidden should remain hidden.
01:45Mr. Imran Khan has said that he is flexible.
01:52Let's start with Mr. Mian.
01:54Mr. Zubair, Mr. Mian is going to London.
02:01Do you think this is a routine check-up?
02:04It doesn't matter.
02:06There is nothing much to say or do in his politics.
02:11Neither can he contribute to the Muslim League nor can he do anything in politics.
02:18I think it doesn't matter.
02:20You saw that he spent a lot of time in Murree.
02:23He was on vacation.
02:24People are not very active in Lahore.
02:28I think personally he has resigned to the fact that he has no role in the country.
02:37There is no relevance.
02:39There is no relevance in being the president of a party in Pakistan.
02:42The Prime Minister has everything.
02:44He is in power.
02:46Everyone is revolving around him.
02:48I would like to say one thing about Mr. Mian.
02:51He is not a person who sits outside and does micro-management.
02:56Despite the fact that he is the Prime Minister, he calls his brothers and asks them what is happening and why it is not happening.
03:02Really, really.
03:03Even when Shahid Khan was the Prime Minister, he would not interfere.
03:07First of all, his nature is not to do micro-management.
03:11If you don't want to do micro-management,
03:13the elections have just been held.
03:15He wants to put it behind and enjoy life as such.
03:21There will definitely be a concern that the Muslim League is not getting what it should have been getting and for which they have made sacrifices.
03:31But first of all, I would like to object to what you said that there are two big political parties.
03:37I think this is a little unfair to the People's Party.
03:40The seats won by the People's Party were almost all correct.
03:45There is no competition of the People's Party in the integration.
03:48The seats won by the Muslim League, you know that and I also know that.
03:53So, in that regard, the People's Party is definitely far ahead.
03:57See, I said that the two big political parties matter.
04:00The government and the opposition.
04:03The People's Party is hanging right now.
04:05The People's Party is neither the government nor the opposition.
04:07Nor is it a part of the government.
04:09But they are the best.
04:11They are the best in this whole thing.
04:13I think, well, let's see how it plays out.
04:17I think it will always be said that the People's Party will benefit or lose politically.
04:23Because people ask for political positions.
04:26That either you are with us if there is inflation, unemployment, difficulties.
04:31Either you stand with us and stand against the government of the time.
04:35Or you are the government of the time and we have to ask you questions.
04:38This is neither three nor thirteen.
04:40People do not understand these things many times.
04:43How is it possible that the People's Party is in the government or not?
04:46So, you know, is it in the best position?
04:49I think it will be decided by time, Mr. Zubair.
04:51It is very difficult to make this decision today.
04:55Mr. Zubair, I will come back to this argument.
04:57What do you think, Mr. Mian?
05:01If you were Mr. Mian, what would you think?
05:04I will come to the second question.
05:06You just said that the People's Party is in the government.
05:08You gave a very interesting analysis.
05:10Whether they are in the government or not.
05:12I will tell you the final point without being rude.
05:16They are very much in the power.
05:18You have spread this confusion that they are not in power, they are not a part of the government.
05:22What can be a bigger part of the government than this?
05:24You have two or three seats in Punjab.
05:26You have so many people in your assembly.
05:28And I think you do not have much in KPB or Balochistan.
05:31Despite this, you have become the President of this country.
05:33You have become the Senate Chairman.
05:35Two or three governors have given you postings.
05:37Despite this, you and I sit and debate whether they are in the government or not.
05:41Then it is their cleverness.
05:43They are crooks in this.
05:45Then what should they say?
05:47The biggest thing is that their life is in the hands of the existing government.
05:50They are in the hands of the People's Party.
05:53It is a very interesting point.
05:57If they have confused you, then it is their victory.
06:00It is their victory that a top anchor like Kashi Babasaheb in a prime time show
06:03thinks whether he is in the government or not.
06:06I am sorry, I am a bit disappointed, Kashi Babasaheb.
06:09You must accept this.
06:11Number one.
06:12Number one.
06:13Therefore, they will be very happy.
06:14I am sorry.
06:15The People's Party will be very happy to hear you.
06:17Sir, I was saying that they are in the best position.
06:21I believe that they are not in the best position.
06:25They are running with the hare and hunting with the hounds.
06:28This is not possible.
06:29Absolutely not.
06:30People want to know where you are standing in today's time.
06:35Whether you are against the government or with the government.
06:37Even if people do not know, it is their success that we are with whom.
06:40No, people know.
06:41No, you said that people should know who they are standing with.
06:45If you accept my analysis.
06:47I believe that if the People's Party does this politics,
06:52then it will be different from Punjab.
06:54It will be different from KP.
06:55What is the reason for that?
06:56It will be different from the elections.
06:57What is the reason for that?
06:58After 2008, no one will be from Punjab.
06:59Kashi Babasaheb, one minute.
07:00Kashi Babasaheb, one minute.
07:01Kashi Babasaheb, one minute.
07:02Kashi Babasaheb, one minute.
07:03Listen to me.
07:04I will increase this argument.
07:05You can ask the question.
07:06You had breakfast.
07:07Yes, I had food.
07:08You had food.
07:09You are saying that the People's Party is not in the system right now.
07:15They do not know about the system.
07:17Or they are not running the system.
07:19The whole system is on their head right now.
07:23If the budget has to be passed, it is the People's Party.
07:25If a big decision has to be made, it is the People's Party.
07:28If the legislation has to be made, it is the People's Party.
07:30If they make light statements in the assembly or in the press conference,
07:34Sherry Rahman Sahiba and a few other leaders,
07:37do you take them seriously?
07:38For God's sake, Kashi Babasaheb is right.
07:41You are an experienced anchor.
07:42Don't make such a perception that the People's Party is poor.
07:46The People's Party is above everything.
07:48I told you that the budget will be passed.
07:49When were they in Punjab, by the way?
07:51They were not there.
07:52But they are winning in the south.
07:53They will also pass.
07:54They had a few seats.
07:55They had their own seats.
07:56Now Mr. Gilani has his own seat.
07:57Let's talk to Mr. Ahmed Mahmood.
07:58He had his own seat.
07:59No, he was saying that there are two or three seats in Punjab.
08:02They have passed from Punjab.
08:04Already after two days.
08:05Look, Mr. Raja, they are winning.
08:06They have done this deliberately.
08:08They have distributed things.
08:09They are very clear.
08:10We don't need to be confused about this.
08:12We need sympathy with them.
08:13Look, the People's Party will be empty.
08:15There is no one left from Punjab.
08:17No.
08:18This is a kind of decided decision of theirs,
08:20whose emperors, benefits, Mr. Zardari and the company
08:23are giving them very well.
08:25The problem is that from Sindh,
08:27I think they bring seats of 40 or 44 MNs.
08:32From there, they also take out 15-20 senators.
08:34And they come into the power game.
08:35Why do they need to go to Punjab,
08:37a province of 12 crores,
08:38and beg each person,
08:39listen to the press,
08:40listen to you,
08:41listen to me,
08:42come here tomorrow
08:43and face accountability.
08:45So they have a very clear understanding with Nawaz Sharif
08:47that you have Punjab.
08:48We are not going to enter.
08:49You will not enter Sindh.
08:50Nawaz Sharif has never been to Sindh.
08:52And Mr. Zardari has never been to Punjab.
08:54This is their understanding.
08:55A power sharing,
08:56political,
08:57whatever their temperament is.
08:58And as a result of that,
08:59the Prime Minister is theirs,
09:00the President is theirs.
09:01He is the Speaker of the National Assembly.
09:02He is the Chairman of the Senate.
09:03He has two governors,
09:04so two of them are sitting.
09:05So this policy of Mr. Zardari
09:07that we do not want to enter Punjab
09:09and we do not need anything.
09:10Because of this,
09:11you see,
09:12the three big names,
09:13they did not see their political future in Punjab,
09:14so they left.
09:15Did they leave?
09:16Did Babarwan leave, sir?
09:17He left the old one.
09:18Oh,
09:19because of this,
09:20he left,
09:21he left after 2013.
09:22He is an active politician anyway.
09:23Sir,
09:24I am on that.
09:25Babarwan sir left,
09:26Lateef Khose sir left.
09:27After that,
09:28Ehsan sir left them.
09:29He did not leave.
09:30Sir,
09:31this means that
09:32they have gone to the other camp,
09:33to Imran Khan sir.
09:34To see all three.
09:35After one,
09:36they went.
09:37These three were big names,
09:38I am saying.
09:39The rest of the people
09:40also tried to find their own
09:41glory here and there.
09:42The People's Party
09:43raised their hands
09:44that we will not come to Punjab.
09:45Sir,
09:46Imtiaz Sardar Wadaj,
09:47a lot of people
09:48went back to the People's Party.
09:49Sir,
09:50they must have gone,
09:51two or three must have gone.
09:52I am not saying this.
09:53I am saying this.
09:54Neither are they going
09:55nor are they standing there.
09:56They are regretting it anyway.
09:57The model of Mr. Zardari
09:58is the same
09:59that we do not want
10:00to have a confrontation.
10:01We do not want
10:02to fight here and there.
10:03If we can have a fight
10:04with someone,
10:05then we will fight
10:06with someone there.
10:07So,
10:08in this matter,
10:09their policies are fine.
10:10So,
10:11you are saying
10:12they are win-win.
10:13Absolutely,
10:14they are in a win-win situation.
10:15No one should consider them
10:16as a beggar.
10:17They should not be
10:18considered as a devotee.
10:19They are not like this.
10:20They have made a policy
10:21with a lot of understanding
10:22and clarity.
10:23It has given them
10:24the dividends.
10:25I do not think so.
10:26See,
10:27my two cents.
10:28They are very happy.
10:29Mr. Goman,
10:30my two cents.
10:31I understand your argument.
10:32I understand.
10:33I totally understand your argument
10:34because
10:35they have
10:36got the president
10:37and the governor
10:38without doing anything.
10:39I believe that
10:40the political party
10:41fights for power.
10:42They want to be
10:43accepted.
10:44They want to fight
10:45elections.
10:46They want to have seats.
10:47They want to be
10:48the front runner
10:49of this country's
10:50power sharing
10:51or government
10:52reform.
10:53They want to be
10:54the front runner
10:55of this country's
10:56power sharing
10:57or government reform.
10:58They want to be
10:59relevant somewhere.
11:00People's Party
11:01is becoming
11:02irrelevant
11:03because of
11:04this politics.
11:05Many of their people
11:06are against this politics.
11:07That's why
11:08Lateef Khosla left.
11:09That's why
11:10Ittizaad Ahsan
11:11kept saying that
11:12we cannot
11:13unite with
11:14Noon League
11:15because our politics
11:16will be over.
11:17So,
11:18where there is
11:19a temporary benefit
11:20of becoming
11:21the president
11:22or the governor,
11:23People's Party
11:24is losing
11:25a big race.
11:26Would you not agree?
11:27I do not consider it
11:28a win.
11:29I think it's a
11:30lose-lose.
11:31They are losing.
11:32We need to
11:33build,
11:34we need to
11:35give a
11:38past
11:41to our
11:42system.
11:44It's
11:45not
11:46a dirty
11:47thing.
11:48Nobody
11:49cares about
11:50the politics
11:51but hell
11:52with
11:53people.
11:54Yes,
11:55ature of
11:56the politics
11:57has been
11:58going from
11:59right to
12:31Punjab is the biggest province in the world, where the governor sits, he has a plane, helicopter,
12:41all the people in Punjab go to Lahore, there is an annex of the governor's house, they eat
12:48there, they chat, there is a little political gathering.
12:51You come to KP, Mr. Kundi is the youngest, most excited, energized, he has appointed
12:58the KP chief minister, he has put a match every day, there is a deputy speaker in the
13:04National Assembly, Mr. Kundi won from that circle and became the deputy speaker.
13:10After that, you come, the deputy speaker is with you, the chairman of the National Assembly,
13:18senate, another third highest constitutional position in the country, Mr. Yusuf Zaghlani,
13:24so after the post-8 election, the game in front of them, I think there could not have
13:31been a better scheme for them, they landed more than their share, they are present in
13:40the system more than their share, and they are enjoying everything, tell me, any such
13:46decision, the most important thing is, what did you do, your wife's call is also coming,
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