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- Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar (Senior Leader)
- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
What should be done to fix Pakistan? - Kashif Abbasi Raises Important Questions
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16We are discussing the reformation of the constitution and cases are being filed in the Supreme Court.
00:19Right now, there is a very confusing but clear situation in Pakistan.
00:25Confusing because what will happen and clear because what do they want?
00:29There is a lot of clarity in both of these.
00:32Before I go into the details, let's see what is there and what will happen.
00:39Faisal Barra Sahib will also be present with us.
00:41We will ask him what will happen and why he was so angry.
00:44We will also ask Mustafa Nawaz Koker.
00:47I saw Bilawal Sahib's statement on the constitution.
00:52He was repeatedly talking about the constitution.
00:54Then I saw the news that the constitution will continue and will complete its term.
00:58Let's hear what Bilawal Sahib had to say.
01:23The constitution will continue as it is.
01:26I saw another news that the constitution will continue and will complete its term.
01:36Ansari Bai Sahib's news was published in the newspaper on 27th.
01:40The problem is that the government, which we call the constitution,
01:46what is it?
01:48The government either completes its term or falls before its term.
01:52The parliament either completes its term or falls before its term.
01:59But who is this system that will continue?
02:02How does it continue?
02:04Who continues it?
02:06After all, who is this system?
02:08Maybe it is formed by the parliament and the government.
02:11Maybe other institutions should also be included.
02:15But what is this system?
02:17I was discussing this with Mr. Wada earlier.
02:20A lot can be said about what will happen and who will complete it.
02:25The assembly should be completed in the next five years.
02:27This can also be said.
02:29But the surprising thing is that these claims are being made in a country
02:33about which no one knows what will happen tomorrow.
02:36You can ask a political commentator, a journalist or even a politician
02:41what will happen in December.
02:43The first thing he will tell you is that there is no future in Pakistani politics.
02:47And you are asking me about December.
02:49In hindsight, when this sentence comes that the system continues and will continue
02:56and will complete its term,
02:58then the political explanation of this fatwa seems to be that
03:01those in jail will remain in jail and those in power will remain in power.
03:04And this assembly will complete its five years.
03:08And it will not complete it because it is a wonderful government
03:12and some noble scientists are running it.
03:15But because the system will continue.
03:18Then we will discuss what the system is.
03:22But the real basis of this is that if we want to fix the country,
03:27then we should make a system instead of this system.
03:32A lot will be fixed.
03:34The problem of our country is that we do not want a system, we want a system.
03:40This fight to maintain the system has never allowed a system to be formed in this country.
03:46The purpose is not to make a system, but to control the system.
03:50And the real fight is to control it.
03:53Even now, the purpose of the system is to continue in the veil of support of the system.
03:59We have seen a lot from politicians.
04:03We have seen a lot of fights.
04:06In the name of power politics, in the name of the chair, they do not say.
04:10They say that the system is still there.
04:13But in the last few years, in the last 5-7-8 years,
04:17I think that in this country, the way we have tried to run the democracy and the system,
04:25we have destroyed a lot of systems.
04:33Its next target is now the judiciary,
04:35where people are trying to keep someone and stop someone with various attempts.
04:41I feel that our political friends have shaken the foundations of the system in all this effort,
04:47which is called democracy.
04:49And at the same time, they have strengthened the system even more.
04:53I am sure that everyone knows that if the system works like this,
04:56then the future systems will also work like this.
04:59There will be a ruler of every era,
05:01there will be a jail of every era,
05:03which will be waiting for the next dictator.
05:05We have given the system the power that every system will use.
05:11Now no one in this country will say that I will not take the dictation,
05:15or I would like to die at the hands of an Amir instead of history.
05:19We will all work according to this rule, which is being written.
05:23Are they all ready to work according to this rule?
05:27In this country, the slogans of democracy, principle and morality need time.
05:33God forbid, no one believes in these revolutionary slogans.
05:38Now the system is power, chair, that's it.
05:46For that, we have seen in the last few years that anyone is ready to do anything.
05:51And that, gentlemen, is where democracy is breathing its last.
05:57A democracy whose true spirit is taking its last breath.
06:07Mr. Wada, thank you very much for being with us.
06:10Mr. Khokhar, thank you very much for being with us.
06:13We can talk about how we want to run this country.
06:17Do you agree?
06:19The system that we used to fantasize about,
06:23that there will be a system in this country,
06:25that the poor will get justice,
06:27that this country will run according to the rules,
06:29that will not happen.
06:30This is how it will run.
06:31Mr. Kashi, thank you very much.
06:33Your answer is in two parts.
06:35First, when you talk about Pakistan or third world countries,
06:41to explain to the people, in simple words,
06:44because I will have to talk in detail about what you have said.
06:50Mr. Khokhar, you will do that.
06:52First, just to make it clear,
06:54you can charge me 1, 2 crores, 4 crores, 5 crores, and finally 10 crores.
06:58How much did you charge? 10 crores?
07:01Start with 1 crore.
07:02Where is it?
07:03I took off my watch and gave it to you.
07:04I am talking about political prices.
07:05I said, this watch is mine.
07:07Charge me another 1 crore, I will give you a handkerchief.
07:10Charge me another 1 crore, I will give you a handkerchief.
07:13If you give me 10 crores, I will stand up and give you a handkerchief.
07:16When your politicians have come to the point
07:20that you are ready to sell your things,
07:23then you cannot talk about the country,
07:26the country's security, and the country's democracy.
07:30Sir, you agree to some extent with what I am saying.
07:33Look, everyone has their own interests here,
07:35when it comes to democracy, number one.
07:38Number two, you have said, system, system, system, system.
07:41Let's talk openly about the system, sir.
07:43Why should we talk about ego?
07:45Why should we talk in gestures?
07:46Let's talk openly.
07:47It could be a system of the parliament,
07:48it could be a collective system.
07:49It could be a system that has been running under the news
07:51that the system will continue to run.
07:53The system will continue to run.
07:54The country has spent so many years in freedom because of the system.
07:58The system you are talking about,
08:00my question to you would be,
08:02did you ever, Mr. Kashif, or any other like you,
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10:19I am not interested to talk.
10:20I am very clear,
10:21very blunt,
10:22very straight to office.
10:23I am talking very bluntly.
10:24You like it,
10:25you don't like it.
10:26Now you are telling me
10:27that I should give all the credit
10:28to the democratic system
10:29instead of that system
10:30which has put IPPs
10:31and sucked the blood of this country
10:32and was in power,
10:33is in power
10:34and will continue to be in power.
10:35I am sorry, sir.
10:36I don't know politics.
10:37I will come to the other side.
10:38You had taunted people
10:39from the assembly.
10:40We remember
10:41you had gone viral.
10:42You had taunted people
10:43from the assembly.
10:44You had taunted people
10:45from the assembly.
10:46You had taunted people
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10:48You had taunted people
10:49from the assembly.
10:50You had gone viral.
10:51You had gone viral.
10:52When this irony
10:53was not revived.
10:54But let me first
10:55comment on this
10:56of Musawwara Nawaz Bukhar.
10:59When the system
11:00is in the news,
11:01the system will continue
11:02and continue
11:03for a long time.
11:04Billah Bhail Sahib
11:05is talking about the system
11:06again and again.
11:07So, in my opinion,
11:08the system
11:09is a holistic
11:10term.
11:11He is using it.
11:12The democracy
11:13is forgotten.
11:14Now, in this country
11:15I think
11:16and how to regain power in the future.
11:18And all the compromises are ready to be made for that.
11:21Yesterday, Mr. Bilawal, in the bar...
11:23Mr. Balochistan, you heard what the President said in the bar.
11:27Despite that, he is adamant that he will share his vision with you.
11:32Mr. Khokhar, he tried to tell you a few things in his speech today.
11:39First, he said that he didn't believe in such a court.
11:41How did you believe?
11:43We know how he believed.
11:44He believed in the Muslim League because he wanted to achieve something.
11:49Mr. Bilawal also said that we talk about tenure and he talks about age.
11:54I will tell you everything, but first, let's talk about the debate we started.
11:58Let me tell you one thing.
11:59You said that politicians can't talk until December.
12:03You said that you can't even talk about the next 30 minutes of your show.
12:07Such an unpredictable country.
12:09So unpredictable. That's true.
12:11I will tell you to talk about December.
12:12You will say that you can't even talk about tomorrow.
12:14How can I talk about December?
12:15But we are talking about five years in this country, sir.
12:18Because all the politicians have decided that the NGO will not work.
12:21Yes, thank you.
12:24Mr. Kashyap, we have had a lot of discussion.
12:25I would like to put two points in front of you and the viewers.
12:29We are talking about the system.
12:31And I think if we talk about the system,
12:33then first of all, our starting point should be
12:38that is the founder of Pakistan in line with Mr. Jinnah's ideas
12:42and his concept that today's Pakistan is in conflict
12:46or is it going on the same way as Mr. Jinnah thought?
12:49Today, in my opinion, Pakistan is going completely against
12:54the ideas and concept that he had for Pakistan.
13:01The big debate in Pakistan is...
13:02But the system is going on.
13:03The big debate in Pakistan is
13:06whether the army is a part of the system or a part of the system.
13:11It is a part of the system.
13:12In principle, but in reality, it is not.
13:16Then let's talk about Mr. Bilawal's system.
13:18I will come to that.
13:19What did Mr. Jinnah say about the role of the army in Quetta?
13:26Categorically, he said that your job is not to interfere in politics.
13:31These were his words.
13:33Your job is not to interfere in politics.
13:37And the policies that you want to make
13:39are the job of the people's chosen rulers, the job of civilians.
13:42You have nothing to do with it.
13:44This is what Mr. Jinnah quoted in his words.
13:47That speech was also suppressed somewhere today.
13:51Similarly, we made another mischief
13:53that his speech on 11 August,
13:56we also made it disappear
13:57in which he made the minorities living in Pakistan
14:00believe that the state of this country
14:04has nothing to do with your religion, your places of worship.
14:09This is also a very long debate that should take place in this country.
14:11Tell me one thing.
14:13Whose fault is it that they have forgotten these speeches?
14:16Give me permission.
14:17And by giving respect to the vote and shouting slogans.
14:18I will come there too.
14:19Mr. Bilawal, we will save democracy.
14:22I mean, what does this mean?
14:24I will come there too.
14:25Give me a chance.
14:28I will come there too.
14:30The idea of Pakistan, according to Mr. Jinnah,
14:32was a parliamentary democratic Pakistan.
14:36We did not allow elections to take place in this country for the first 30 years.
14:39The first election under the Adult Franchise
14:42took place after 28-29 years.
14:46We did not give people that right.
14:48Along with that, we achieved parallel freedom for India.
14:50Where did it reach? Where are we standing?
14:53And even today, if we want to put Pakistan on the track,
14:56the first point of that will be that every institution will work according to its limits.
15:03And no one will give their limits to anyone.
15:04You mentioned FATF a while ago.
15:06It was very successful at that time.
15:10We came out of the black list of FATF and came to the white list.
15:14We did not go to the black list, we were in the grey list.
15:17So, tell me, why did you go to that list?
15:21You did not go because of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
15:24You did not go because of Mr. Zardari.
15:27You did not go because of Mr. Imran Khan.
15:29The resolutions of the Security Council,
15:32Kibla, who were they related to?
15:35Were they related to me, Faisal Bhai or Kashif?
15:37You are right, but the problem is, how do we run this country?
15:41We are two schools sitting here.
15:45There are two views.
15:47I think both of you are saying the same thing.
15:53If they do not want to run the country, then what can they do?
15:55You are saying that it is not their job.
15:56It is their job, it is their job. Why should they step back?
15:58The politicians in India are in deep trouble.
16:00During Ayub Khan's time, thousands of politicians were abdicated.
16:04Wasn't it done? It is a record.
16:06Those people who took part in the movement of Pakistan,
16:09who were among the founders of Pakistan,
16:11big names, they were abdicated.
16:13You have separated the political class.
16:17Even today, if there is a solution to get Pakistan out of these challenges,
16:20then it is with the political class.
16:22In our country, two things have been holding this country back for the past 10 years.
16:29Extensions.
16:31Whether it is the Army Chief's extension or the Chief Justice's extension.
16:34What are we doing to this country?
16:36Two people who get their salary from the taxpayer's money.
16:41Sir, you are right.
16:43You are the one who is going to pay.
16:44Don't say such things.
16:45The problem is that they will say,
16:47you are saying it as if they will take the extension themselves.
16:51No, you give it.
16:52How can we take it?
16:53You are running a campaign in front of your politicians.
16:55How are we going to make a new court?
16:57We have to make them sit in it so that they get bored and we get rid of them.
16:59We make them the head of the civil court.
17:02What are we doing?
17:03The problem is that we have to understand.
17:05Even we have made the same mistake as the politicians,
17:10who took this space willingly and happily and said,
17:13take this, sir.
17:14We are ready to serve you.
17:15You cannot call the politicians idlers.
17:17This is right in its place.
17:19You cannot call the politicians idlers.
17:21But does this mean that you accept that system?
17:24Not at all.
17:25I am saying this because what is the system and what should the system be?
17:28Today, the last thing.
17:31Today, the national unity in Pakistan is being hit hard.
17:37Today, in the last ten years, our federation has weakened.
17:42We are not talking about the current situation outside Islamabad.
17:47Our discussion is limited to whether the constitution is coming or not.
17:51We are not talking about the impact on the federation.
17:54But yesterday, there was a small briefing.
17:55There is no representation in the senate of a province.
17:58The situation in that province is already bad.
18:01And you say that the elections of the senate of that province have not taken place.
18:05Without its representation, we can do such a big thing.
18:08And we can do it through that assembly, which has questions on legitimacy.
18:13Mr. Banda, look, there are two things.
18:15One is that if you talk about democracy in America,
18:18then it is a term of eight years.
18:19Yes, yes.
18:21Eight years in total.
18:23A president can only spend eight years.
18:25So if I understand and accept their extension,
18:29they are absolutely right.
18:30On the other hand, they have been tested for 20, 25, 30, 40 years.
18:35Expired. Their shelf life is over.
18:36How are you testing them?
18:38Is it your father's country? How are you testing them?
18:40The IPPs that you are negotiating today and giving credit to the SIFC and the army,
18:43because they have reduced the rate and electricity according to the demands of the people,
18:47the industries are talking about 9 cents of electricity and it will happen.
18:52So who was doing the work done by that SIFC?
18:57They are still sitting and waiting.
18:59They were yesterday, they will be the day after tomorrow.
19:02Because you are weak, you are sold out.
19:04You will start selling from here, you will start selling from here.
19:07Everything is stripped in Hamam.
19:10They are all naked.
19:12You are going to raise the flag of democracy in that system.
19:15And people like you who play the flute of democracy,
19:18even if they are 19 or 20 years old,
19:20and feel bad that we talk about the coded word of the system.
19:24You are talking about the establishment.
19:26You are talking about the army.
19:28In other words...
19:29I have told you two news about the system.
19:30I am talking about that too.
19:31I said that the way Bilal used the system in principle,
19:35or the way it was used in the news,
19:36it will continue and it will last for a long time.
19:38Ansar Abbas also said in words, he is a very intelligent man.
19:43He said that the system will continue.
19:45And it will last for a long time.
19:47The system has an unlimited duration.
19:48It will last for a long time.
19:50Even God can remove it, but no one can remove revenge.
19:52Okay?
19:52So he didn't say that something else will last for a long time.
19:56You have to be very clear.
19:57And you don't have to bring down this government,
20:00or hold a no vote conference,
20:03or hold a Jalsa Jaloos.
20:04You don't have to do anything.
20:05This is enough for you.
20:07You don't need any extra effort.
20:09But if you ask me,
20:12people will think it's a joke.
20:14I swear to God, I don't need army,
20:16I don't need to hold a no vote conference,
20:20or to buy a senator's MNPO.
20:23This is how easy the government is.
20:26And this is how easy your PTI is.
20:30But no one is interested in doing it.
20:32What is everyone doing?
20:34They are fighting a system with another system,
20:36and they are sitting in the back and running their own hooters.
20:39They will have fun in the PM house.
20:42Or in the democracy.
20:43They are buying other clothes.
20:45Mr. Bilal talked about the one inch.
20:47They are giving that one inch to Mr. Malhana,
20:50they are giving that one inch to him,
20:51and they are giving that one inch to the government,
20:52and they are going to other places.
20:53So that one inch will become a mile.
20:55It will become a mile.
20:56Don't worry.
20:57Your hidden question is another one,
20:59which you have to talk about after the break.
21:01You will be disappointed.
21:02The PTI has to be disappointed.
21:04Let's be clear.
21:06Okay?
21:07I will answer a few questions quickly,
21:08and then I will go to the break.
21:09Will there be a constitutional amendment?
21:11There will be a lot of things.
21:13Will there be a constitutional amendment?
21:14There will be a logical solution to the constitutional amendment.
21:16If there is a decision on race fair, it will be done.
21:18Yes.
21:19Will there be a lotte?
21:21Sir, one minute.
21:22You are a very dangerous man.
21:23No one's life can go on without a lotte.
21:26You also need a lotte.
21:28And without a lotte, you can't perform.
21:29You can't live.
21:30Now the mugs have arrived.
21:31Now the custom showers have arrived.
21:32You don't need a lotte.
21:33You can do the lotte on the custom showers.
21:35Or you can do it on the tap.
21:36You can live your life with a lotte.
21:37Will there be a lotte for religious people?
21:38Look, in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan,
21:41you can't do anything in life without religious people.
21:44Will there be a constitutional court?
21:46There should be one.
21:48Will there be one?
21:49Will there be a Qazi on top of it?
21:51Sir, do you know if your show will run well?
21:54No.
21:54That's why I brought him here.
21:56As much as I have told you,
21:57the old news that I gave you is also going on.
21:59It will be the same.
22:00Don't worry.
22:00It will be the same as what we are doing in the market.
22:04You keep going, sir.
22:05Masala is being sold.
22:07Ratings are coming.
22:08You have advertisements.
22:09You are getting a good pay.
22:09You have your name.
22:10You are respected.
22:11You are a scoundrel.
22:12You can say whatever you want.
22:13What can I say?
22:14I get scared every day.
22:15I get up from here.
22:16I don't know what I will do now.
22:17You should be scared of your work.
22:19I don't know what Mr. Wada will do with me.
22:21I don't know.
22:22I don't know what Mr. Wada will do with me.
22:24I hardly get coffee.
22:25When Mr. Wada comes,
22:26no one makes me drink coffee in this country.
22:28Although you are accused of being the owner of the channel.
22:31We don't get coffee when Mr. Wada comes.
22:33Let's take a break.
22:38Welcome back, viewers.
22:39Mr. Bilawal was in Balochistan.
22:40As I told Mr. Khokhar,
22:42I want to tell you about Mr. Bilawal.
22:45He said a few things that were very interesting and interesting for me.
22:49Why does he want to change the army as soon as possible?
22:53Before the 25th.
22:56If I wait till the 25th of October,
23:00I won't get a 63-year-old decision.
23:02I won't be told that.
23:05He wants us to stay.
23:07He doesn't want us to quit.
23:08Isn't that possible?
23:09He also praised Qazi Faisal.
23:12He said that he is doing a great job.
23:14He said that we should stand with him.
23:16Secondly,
23:17what is the tension right now?
23:19Should there be a tenure for the new CJ?
23:22Or should there be an age limit?
23:24We want a term.
23:25Someone else wants an age limit.
23:27I think it should be a person-specific age limit.
23:31It should be a person-specific age limit.
23:33Because it will be for appointing someone.
23:35But will Mr. Bilawal concede on this and take it to an age limit?
23:39That is, the age of the Chief Justice of Pakistan should be increased
23:41from 65 years to 68 years.
23:43And thirdly,
23:44the Muslim League was not ready for this constitutional court.
23:48Especially for equal representation.
23:51The political allies from Punjab
23:54never believed that there should be equal representation in a constitutional court.
23:59They never believed that there should be equal representation in a constitutional court.
24:02The political allies from Punjab, i.e. the Muslim League.
24:04Then they also said that CJ Faisal or Justice Mansoor,
24:07it doesn't matter to me.
24:08Do you believe them?
24:11Mr. Bilawal went to Balochistan.
24:12He was present at the Quetta Bar.
24:14And the quality of debate,
24:15based on my personal experience,
24:17I am saying that in Balochistan,
24:20the quality of debate is the best in Pakistan.
24:23The political awareness of the people there,
24:26because the conditions they face,
24:28despite that, the way they talk,
24:31the way they address the issues,
24:35they are saluted for that.
24:38All the questions you asked me,
24:41the President of Quetta Bar,
24:43in the presence of Mr. Bilawal,
24:45he said two or three things very categorically.
24:49First, he said that after 25th October,
24:53Qazi Faiz Issa Sahib is not acceptable in any new position.
24:59This is what the President of Quetta Bar said.
25:00What do you think?
25:01Second, look,
25:03the second thing he said was that Article 199,
25:07under which every citizen of Pakistan has the right
25:10that if there is any injustice with him,
25:13if any institution commits any injustice with him,
25:15then he is immediately taken to the High Court
25:18by his lawyer and his family members.
25:22If you talk about taking this right...
25:23Mr. Bilawal said that I am the one who brought this,
25:26do you think I am taking it out?
25:28Go and ask Maulana Sahib and his people.
25:31They will tell you that Article 199 has been taken out.
25:34We have stopped it.
25:35You should talk to Maulana Sahib's Kamran Murtaza Sahib.
25:38Look, Mr. Kashif, the thing is that you have set up two Assemblies,
25:42the Senate and the National Assembly.
25:44The draft is shared the night before.
25:47It is not shared. Who shared it?
25:49No, Mr. Kamran Murtaza Sahib is on record.
25:51The draft was shared with the Jamaat-e-Ulm-e-Islam.
25:55And he said that when we first read that
25:57Article 8 is being amended in relation to human rights,
26:00we were shocked.
26:03So, these Jamaats that talk about democracy,
26:06that are called like democracy,
26:08should they have taken such a draft?
26:11Sir, but the question is still...
26:12He says that he has no objection from both the judges.
26:14Do you agree that he should be the judge
26:16or does Justice Mansoor have no objection?
26:18Right now, we are trying to stop the future Chief Justice.
26:24But in the same context, it is important to say
26:27that today, we support and support Justice Mansoor Ali Shah Sahib
26:30to become the Chief Justice.
26:34But the fundamental thing is that
26:36when it was decided to hold the elections within 90 days,
26:39you must remember that the judges who gave their opinions
26:46that the Lahore High Court has seized the matter,
26:49you should not touch it now.
26:51Mr. Mansoor was one of them.
26:52Mr. Mansoor was also one of them.
26:53Mr. Bilawal, let me repeat one thing.
26:54Externally, he should become the Chief Justice.
26:58The wings of the Supreme Court should not be clipped.
27:01And the context and background of the Constitutional Court
27:06is based on ill-intentions.
27:09And it will not be acceptable.
27:11Let me say one thing before coming to Mr. Wada.
27:14Mr. Bilawal, you are often criticizing the movement of Mr. Iftikhar Chaudhary.
27:19Mr. Bilawal, you are criticizing the result
27:22which we saw after his return.
27:26If there is a violation of the constitution,
27:28if someone is removed illegally,
27:31then why should not a movement be run for that?
27:33If a ruler, a sitting dictator, a judge,
27:37a government is removed illegally,
27:40then why should not a movement be run for that?
27:42Obviously, the result is that people cannot be controlled.
27:45What do you think?
27:46Are you saying that Qazi Faiz Ishaq and Mr. Mansoor are the same?
27:50Is this the thought of the government?
27:52Look, Mr. Kashi, the most important thing is that
27:55the courts do not have a job to decide the price of potatoes.
27:58Absolutely right.
27:59They do not have a job to bring down a generation.
28:03They do not have a job to go to jails
28:05and find out who is drinking alcohol and who is drinking honey.
28:08Then you go and bring the poor people of the Nasla Tower on the streets.
28:11Then you hang Mr. Bhutto and tell him after 50-60 years that this is wrong.
28:16Then you damage billions of dollars in Recodec.
28:19You cancel a society.
28:20You call an SSP and ask him, DCUK.
28:22The DCUK in Islamabad was humiliated.
28:26I have agreed to everything you said.
28:28The court should be treated like a court.
28:30This is one part.
28:32The second part is that this impression should also end.
28:35There is a division in the courts.
28:38The PTI is benefiting from that division.
28:40The courts are standing with the PTI.
28:43The establishment is standing somewhere else.
28:46And the government, which is doing dangerous work,
28:48puts its burden on the shoulders of the establishment.
28:52And the perception is that...
28:53Mr. Banda, you say that...
28:55Mr. Mansoor...
28:56You come to Chief Justice Faqazi Ishaan.
28:58I have also appealed to him. He is a great man.
29:01And I have also appealed to Mr. Mansoor.
29:04He is a great man.
29:05The problems he told in his speech about the courts of Pakistan...
29:09I think he is a very idealistic, great man.
29:13He is a very humble, good-natured man.
29:15So, as Mr. Khokhar was saying,
29:20we should not think about ourselves.
29:24There is no role of the establishment in this.
29:27If the government is playing around with the democratic parties,
29:31if they give someone a minus and someone a plus,
29:33then they should bear the burden.
29:34They should stand. Otherwise, they will be crushed.
29:37You stand or you sit.
29:39Now, the second thing that you...
29:41Wait a minute.
29:42But the mistakes of the system...
29:45If the mistakes of the courts, which you have counted,
29:47and every institution has made mistakes in the last 70-80 years,
29:49and the courts have made a lot of mistakes.
29:51I agree with you that this kind of...
29:54But just because they have flaws,
29:56as Mr. Balawal says,
29:58it doesn't mean that the courts should be crushed.
30:02And it will be fine.
30:03But Mr. Kashif, the C.M. of KPK who is speaking today,
30:07has any court taken notice?
30:09It is not the duty of the courts to take notice of this.
30:11He is saying that he will fire a bullet.
30:13He will answer with a bullet.
30:14KPK is a part of Pakistan.
30:17Our Pakistanis will not fire a bullet.
30:18No one's father can fire a bullet at them.
30:20But if no one can fire a bullet,
30:23then no one's father can give us a warning
30:25that someone will fire a bullet.
30:26You are such a great man.
30:27We have been friends for a long time.
30:28We have been colleagues for a long time.
30:30We have had political disagreements.
30:33But has any court intervened?
30:35The court intervenes here.
30:37The court intervenes.
30:38Sir, we are sitting in the same position.
30:41Sir, the court intervenes in political matters.
30:43So you take out abuses.
30:44You stand up and put pictures in the jails.
30:45Sir, if the court is giving this impression...
30:46It is not the duty of the court to intervene in politics.
30:48I am sorry, sir.
30:49It is the duty of politicians to intervene in political battles.
30:52Sir, Mr. Kashif, you always talk theoretically.
30:53Sir, this is a practical thing.
30:54This is how the world works.
30:56If you say it is not the job of the establishment,
30:57then it is the job of the courts.
30:58What is the impression today?
30:59The impression today is that the courts have stood up.
31:02One political party is behind this.
31:03The impression.
31:04You can look at it this way.
31:05The corruption that is happening somewhere,
31:08let's stop it.
31:09Let's neutralize it.
31:10What can I tell you?
31:11The tribunals are closed tomorrow in this country.
31:13I was listening to Salman Raja.
31:15He said, what can I do in the tribunal?
31:17His decision will not come.
31:19It will be fine.
31:20You will become the CM of APK
31:23and teach the fight between Punjab and Pakhtunkhwa.
31:25I don't know if he saw the statement.
31:26What rubbish is he talking?
31:27I mean, this is civil war.
31:29It is time to cut the hair on his head.
31:32Don't do that.
31:33No, I am talking to you.
31:34What he is talking doesn't make sense.
31:36It doesn't make sense.
31:37Why did you shoot Pakhtunkhwa?
31:39Why did you shoot Pakhtunkhwa?
31:40Pakhtunkhwa shot his brothers.
31:41This is the problem.
31:43Sometimes you say the wrong thing wrong.
31:46But when you go here,
31:47it is time to cut the hair.
31:48You can't do this.
31:49You can't do this.
31:50You can't do this.
31:51You can't do this.
31:52You can't do this.
31:53You can't do this.
31:54Sir, listen to me.
31:56If you start talking nonsense here,
31:59what will you say?
32:00You are Mr. Basi.
32:01You are an anchor.
32:02You are doing a show at 8 o'clock.
32:04We will listen to all your nonsense.
32:06It is not the way.
32:06The court should have intervened at this time.
32:08What is it?
32:09The court should have taken notice
32:10that you are bringing a situation that will create a sensation.
32:14You are bringing a situation that will create a sensation.
32:15You tell me,
32:16if people have died.
32:17God forbid.
32:18God forbid.
32:18If people have died in Lahore,
32:21show them the video.
32:22Prove it.
32:22They will stand with you.
32:23But if you are going to start a protest
32:27for your politics again on 9th May
32:30or if you want to bring it to that position,
32:31they will not let you do it.
32:32There is some protest going on.
32:34But yesterday,
32:35the statement of Mr. Gandapur,
32:37I think that in the coming days,
32:39you will hear a lot of his nonsense.
32:41Yesterday, in the entire program,
32:42we were talking about this.
32:43Personally,
32:45politicians, especially the Chief Minister,
32:47should not talk like this.
32:49Because he has an arrangement.
32:50There is an arrangement here as well.
32:51Don't say that if you fire a bullet,
32:52we will fire ten bullets.
32:53Because you know that...
32:55How do you see it?
32:55Look,
32:57first of all, his statement is not right.
32:59And his choice of words was completely wrong.
33:02Even before this, he gave one or two statements
33:04which were not right.
33:05The choice of words was wrong.
33:07As the Chief Minister,
33:08he should not give such statements.
33:11Like he said earlier,
33:12we will talk to Afghanistan ourselves.
33:14While living in a system,
33:16okay, that system is not ideal.
33:18But in that,
33:19the Federation is at the forefront.
33:22And they say,
33:23head, safety, cap, thousand.
33:25People will keep coming to power.
33:27Today, we are sitting here.
33:28It won't be ten years later.
33:29It won't be five years later.
33:30Someone else will come.
33:31Someone else will come.
33:32Federation is at the forefront.
33:34People keep coming.
33:35Don't harm the country.
33:38We have polarized politics so much.
33:41Today, the situation you see in the Supreme Court
33:44is the result of that polarization.
33:45There is polarization in the media.
33:48There was polarization in other institutions.
33:50If we want to pull the country back from this situation,
33:56then everyone will have to come together
33:58and set some basic principles.
34:00We are not ready to set those principles even today.
34:03In fact, we are making the situation worse.
34:05It doesn't suit the people who are sitting in the government.
34:07How does it suit them?
34:08No, it doesn't suit them either.
34:09And the people who are in jail, they too...
34:11They need it.
34:11They are in desperation at this time.
34:13At this time, they will say that...
34:15Coming back to the constitutional amendment,
34:17the Supreme Court has a base on this.
34:20There are many cases.
34:22And because of political cases,
34:23the cases of common people are not being heard.
34:27At this time, the pendency in the Supreme Court
34:28is about 60,000 cases.
34:31There are about 450,000 cases in the High Courts.
34:34And there are more than 1.8 million cases
34:36in the Sessions and lower courts.
34:38In this constitutional amendment,
34:40where there are the most cases,
34:43there is nothing for them.
34:44There are no reforms for them.
34:46So, your intention comes out at that time.
34:48At this time, the threats to our federation
34:54have made politics meaningless.
34:56In Balochistan, you see...
34:57Sir, I want to quickly...
34:5960 seconds.
35:00Because they said that the court is on that side.
35:03What is the impression about the court?
35:05They took back Balla.
35:07There was a case of level playing field.
35:08They didn't do anything.
35:09Whatever happened in the elections,
35:11the court was silent.
35:12They couldn't see it.
35:12They were telling the truth.
35:13Listen, how many seats were lost in recounting?
35:16It was not their job.
35:17The case should have gone back to the tribunals.
35:20Now, the decision will be made on 63A.
35:22So, a lot of things happened
35:23that are being said.
35:24Because of which, it is being said
35:25that they are going that way.
35:26You have 30 seconds.
35:27It plays both ways.
35:28Look, if you want to run the country,
35:31you have to give the environment in your country.
35:32When will the environment come?
35:33When the courts,
35:34the establishment and the democratic people
35:36sit on the same pitch.
35:37What is better for Pakistan?
35:39What is good for Pakistan?
35:40Everything is possible.
35:41Is this possible?
35:42This is the way forward.
35:43Sir, is this possible?
35:43If it doesn't happen,
35:44then everything will be destroyed.
35:45Is space available?
35:46Yes.
35:47What are the ways, sir?
35:48Is it on the table?
35:48Everything will have to be done.
35:50The courts, the establishment,
35:52and the democratic forces
35:53will have to sit together
35:53to move forward.
35:54I agree.
35:55Otherwise, you will have to sit
35:56with tears in your eyes.
35:57We have to sit.
35:58The country has come to a place.
35:59After a break, I want to sit on this.
36:01The last thing is that
36:02everyone has to sit on this table.
36:05October is very hot.
36:06Okay, October is hot too.
36:07Let's see how hot it is after a break.
36:13Welcome back, viewers.
36:14This is the table.
36:15On this…
36:16Quickly, one more.
36:16One more.
36:17There is a chair for Mr. Tariq Khan.
36:19Because without him,
36:20there won't be any discussion.
36:22He will have to change his attitude too.
36:24He doesn't consider anyone
36:24to be a legitimate stakeholder in the country.
36:26He should change himself.
36:28He should change himself.
36:29He should create a government environment
36:30and stop persecution and victimization.
36:32Is it possible for space to be created
36:34and a discussion to take place?
36:36Look, it is impossible today.
36:38But nothing is impossible in Pakistan.
36:40We have seen people being impossible.
36:42You have been seeing it for the past 65 years.
36:44The people who were oppressed are in the government today.
36:46The people who were in the government
36:47and who will be in jail for the next 10 years,
36:48they are in jail today.