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- Senator Faisal Vawda (Senior Leader)
- Mohammad Zubair (Former Governor Sindh)
Charge-Sheet against Gen(R) Faiz Hameed - How big challenge for PTI? - Faisal Vawda Reveal Insiders
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi.
00:16On one hand, the press release of yesterday's ISPR is still going on.
00:22On the other hand, we will talk about the possibility of negotiations between the government and the Justice Committee.
00:32There have been very harsh statements that the people of B-Chowk have been shot.
00:39The Justice Committee is talking about the investigation of the 9th of May incident and the 26th of November incident.
00:48Let's talk about this. We have Faisal Wada Sahib with us. Thank you very much, Wada Sahib.
00:52We have Mohammad Zubair Sahib from Karachi with us. Thank you, Zubair Sahib.
00:55Wada Sahib, let's start with you.
00:57There are two parts to this press release.
01:00One part is unsaid.
01:03In the charge sheet that has been made, there is incitement to political activities,
01:09violations of the Official Secret Act, damage to the security and safety of the state,
01:14misuse of power and government resources, and illegal damage to individuals.
01:20During this time, there has been a separate investigation into the spread of terrorism in the country.
01:30So, there is only one investigation in 9th May.
01:32The rest of the case has been made.
01:35Is that a fair way of putting it?
01:38No.
02:02It's very effective.
02:06I have heard that it's called 408.
02:09No, no. It's MI. I am talking about SIB.
02:12I don't know much about the system.
02:16The second thing is that this charge sheet is not like our courts.
02:22The charges have been made. Now, the case will start from here.
02:26This charge sheet means that the evidence has been collected to this extent.
02:33But if the evidence has been collected, then both of them are put in the same category.
02:38I am telling you.
02:41One has been compiled and the punishment for one crime has also been determined.
02:46And this charge sheet is that...
02:49There is news of yesterday that he was a lawyer.
02:52So, the punishment was determined before he became a lawyer.
02:54No, no. The evidence has been collected.
02:57The evidence has been compiled.
02:59After this evidence, he has the right to appeal or whatever his procedure is.
03:02After going through all the procedures, he leaves no room for coercion.
03:05When he accuses his own people.
03:07Because in 70 years, we have not heard that he has brought any wrong decision.
03:10One.
03:11The second crime is still pending.
03:14Their investigation is going on.
03:16They are also being compiled.
03:17When it is compiled, they will automatically...
03:19Then his charge sheet will be made.
03:20His charge sheet will be made.
03:21So far, that charge sheet has not been made for 9th May.
03:23If you read the first paragraph, you will see that he has been accused of political activities.
03:28He has been accused of this.
03:29Apart from 9th May, there were also protests.
03:32No, no. That is also included in it.
03:35There were protests.
03:36It is an official secret that he has been doing illegal activities and has harmed the state.
03:39After that, in the next paragraph, it is said that...
03:41During the actions of General Field Marshall...
03:43In the country, there were violent incidents related to the spread of extremism.
03:47What were those? They were all protests.
03:49A separate investigation is also being carried out on the involvement of General Faiz.
03:53So, this investigation is being carried out.
03:55That figure. 9th May has been covered.
03:57What other incidents are there?
03:58Imran Khan sir was shot. Is this also an incident?
04:00This is a very important incident which will be investigated.
04:03And many characters will be seen in it.
04:05It is a very tough question for you.
04:07The murder case of Arshad Sharif.
04:08Because apart from that, is there any incident of extremism?
04:11You think about it.
04:12We kept thinking yesterday as well.
04:13What are the incidents in which there has been extremism?
04:15No. 26.
04:16Politically.
04:17It happened on 26th October.
04:18October 2022.
04:19The day of Ashraf Sharif's funeral.
04:21The protest started from there.
04:22The protest started, right?
04:23But there was a firing in the protest, right?
04:24No, no.
04:25After that, a reporter died.
04:30I am not wrong.
04:31After coming down from the container.
04:32A man fell from the bridge due to a car accident.
04:35There were many incidents.
04:36So, the meaning of extremism is not that...
04:38You picked him up and shot him point blank.
04:40The meaning of extremism is that...
04:41If you set fire to the bridge and set it on fire...
04:43Then that is also extremism.
04:45Number 1.
04:46Now, number 2 is that...
04:47When you are trialing Faiz Ameed's DGIS, the left-wing journalist...
04:51In your courts.
04:52So, the evidences that he has given for Imran Khan...
04:56He has given evidences.
04:58He has given proofs.
04:59So, you think that Imran Khan will get out of this?
05:02No.
05:03His wife...
05:04And then the famous Hawari, Bagore...
05:06Like Murad Saeed...
05:08Hammad Azhar...
05:10Who tweets...
05:12You don't see them later...
05:13Why are they running away?
05:15Why are the people running away from the country?
05:18Okay?
05:19There is a reason for this.
05:21After all, what did Hammad Azhar do?
05:23What did Murad Saeed do?
05:24Everyone comes to the service.
05:25Then they come to the side.
05:26But he is not coming in front.
05:27There is a reason for this.
05:28So, one is the case of Imran Khan's firing.
05:30It is a very important and relevant case.
05:32And in that you...
05:34Imran Khan, whom you trusted blindly...
05:36You will also get him.
05:38You will also get the characters of this press release.
05:42And in that you...
05:43There is one more.
05:44When he comes in front of Imran Khan...
05:46Then Imran Khan will lose his land.
05:48There is one more case.
05:49In this...
05:50There will be one more character in the firing.
05:52Which is more dear to him than his life.
05:55I can see it today.
05:56Except for Faiz.
05:57Okay?
05:58But he was involved in this.
05:59I was not involved.
06:00He was involved in firing against.
06:02Okay.
06:03Now when I am connecting you...
06:04When I tell you that Imran Khan's life is in danger...
06:06Imran Khan's life will be traded.
06:08God forbid...
06:09If something happens to him...
06:11There will be politics on it.
06:12So when you connect those dots...
06:13Then you will get my promise with gladness.
06:15Okay.
06:16The one in which you have been charged...
06:17You have been involved in political campaigns.
06:19Is this as DG ISI or after retirement?
06:21No, of course as DG ISI.
06:22See, DG ISI was Khan's pawn.
06:24Why was Khan's blue-eyed boy?
06:26But DG ISI...
06:27You are opening a big Pandora's box.
06:29See, if DG ISI is a common DG ISI...
06:31That is also a disaster.
06:32But if it becomes a monster in the country...
06:35So on what basis has it become a monster?
06:37Because the Prime Minister...
06:39He had blessings.
06:41And why was the Prime Minister doing everything?
06:43Because the information that the Jinn was giving...
06:45That was a different thing.
06:46There is no Jinn in DG ISI.
06:48No.
06:49I said Jinn...
06:50It's a disaster.
06:51I said it's a disaster.
06:52But the monster...
06:54You get this benefit after a lot of hardships.
06:57Many people will ask you this question...
07:00If you are saying that...
07:02As DG ISI, sleeping in political campaigns...
07:05The way you are opening the door...
07:08Then how will you close the door?
07:10See...
07:11You should keep a lot of clarity in this...
07:13That Imran Khan used it...
07:15And it's a good thing that the door is open.
07:17I mean...
07:18The most important thing is that...
07:20Imran Khan used it a lot.
07:22Because he was in an ultimate power position...
07:24DG ISI.
07:25A very powerful position.
07:26Number one.
07:27Number two is...
07:28You will have to give this credit to...
07:30Chief of Army Staff General Asim Ali.
07:32That in 70 years he laid the foundation...
07:34That in the category of justice...
07:35A powerful and big man...
07:36He won't survive.
07:37Okay.
07:38Let me put it this way.
07:39If this is about...
07:40Whoever is involved in politics...
07:42As DG ISI...
07:44They will have...
07:46General Court Marshal on them.
07:49I agree with you.
07:51This is a big step.
07:52It is a bold step.
07:53Yeah.
07:54I don't think this step has ever been taken...
07:56In this country.
07:57Absolutely right.
07:58So...
07:59But this problem...
08:00People will have this problem...
08:01You are using this word...
08:02That he will go ahead...
08:03And put everyone in trouble...
08:04Because in this country...
08:05Everyone's work is involved in politics.
08:07No, no.
08:08One is political interference.
08:11And the other is...
08:12State, political, democratic terrorism.
08:16National terrorism.
08:17This is terrorism.
08:18Okay.
08:19If you say that...
08:20Courts are not involved in politics...
08:22Or...
08:23There won't be a particular section of the army...
08:25Then that is...
08:26Under the terminology...
08:27That they overlook everything...
08:28They look at everything...
08:29So this is...
08:30Sir, but if DG ISI...
08:32Is involved in politics...
08:34Look...
08:35Didn't the Army Chief know?
08:37You asked another valid question.
08:39Look...
08:40You can definitely blame Mr. Bajwa in this...
08:44That Mr. Bajwa...
08:45On the basis of oversight trust...
08:47Because he has a powerful man...
08:49Of his army...
08:50And his boss...
08:51Prime Minister...
08:52When both are together...
08:54Then Mr. Bajwa...
08:55Has no side...
08:56There is no side...
08:57His trust is not there...
08:58Where is the army chief?
08:59No, no.
09:00The chief is also a human being.
09:01When there is a veil of trust on the eyes...
09:03Then he does a lot of work...
09:05The work that Madam is doing...
09:06She is doing it in the veil of trust...
09:07When the trust will open...
09:08Then the nation will know...
09:09Okay?
09:10The Sultan has drowned in trust...
09:11People have been hanged in trust...
09:13Shahnawaz Bhutto has been killed in trust...
09:16There were many murders in the family of Shahnawaz Bhutto...
09:18So keep this very clear...
09:20DG ISI was also involved...
09:22And what did he want?
09:23What did he want?
09:24In the last few years...
09:25I have very little exposure...
09:29Regarding...
09:30How the institution works...
09:31Because my...
09:32My security has never been broken...
09:34I have never worked on it...
09:35It was always...
09:36My political outlook...
09:37I used to study politics...
09:39Two or three times...
09:40There was a question...
09:41Which I tried to see...
09:43Where is politics going?
09:45Is it possible that...
09:47Something is happening inside the house...
09:48Against the chief?
09:49It's an old thing...
09:50So every time he used to tell me...
09:52Kashif sir, you don't know the army...
09:53There is no such thing in the army...
09:54I mean...
09:55Someone from this side...
09:57Someone from that side...
09:58I used to hear one sentence again and again...
10:00Kashif sir, this is not possible in the army...
10:02And this is very...
10:03In absolute terms...
10:04Retired or...
10:05We will talk about Sarvenge...
10:06This does not happen in the army...
10:07That the chief is one man...
10:09He runs the army...
10:10And it runs...
10:11The way it runs...
10:12Because of one unitary command...
10:14Look, if the chief...
10:15Look, listen to me Kashif sir...
10:16If the chief...
10:17Is blindly trusting a man...
10:18Okay...
10:19And he is playing on his trust...
10:21And his...
10:22Even the chief's boss...
10:24Democratic boss...
10:25Prime Minister...
10:26Is giving him shelter...
10:28Then the matter is over...
10:29If you are talking about something...
10:31And along with you...
10:32The owner of the airway...
10:34Is also a fraud...
10:35So that's the end of the story...
10:36No one can do anything here...
10:37Here all the checks and balances...
10:38Will get over...
10:39In this office...
10:40There is clarity in this...
10:41It happens...
10:42But see...
10:43When you talk of...
10:44Owners of a TV channel...
10:45And a journalist...
10:46Different story...
10:47But...
10:48But...
10:49Let's talk about an institution...
10:50In which there is a chief and DGSI...
10:51The chief appointed DGSI...
10:53A trusted man becomes DGSI...
10:56So that's why I...
10:57DGSI was appointed by the Prime Minister...
11:00Continuation of the Prime Minister...
11:01Listen...
11:02And...
11:03We will give credit to Mr. Bajwa...
11:04That when he got...
11:05A little bit of information...
11:07Then he...
11:08Removed DGSI...
11:09Okay...
11:10Now...
11:11Let's see where it goes...
11:12Mr. Zubair...
11:13I am coming to you with this question...
11:15First let me ask Mr. Bajwa...
11:17You said...
11:18Mr. Imran Khan can also be trialled...
11:20I will give you a surprise...
11:21That happened in the military court...
11:22Okay...
11:23Now the problem is that...
11:24We...
11:26He is a popular leader...
11:27Most popular leader in Pakistan...
11:28Would you agree?
11:29Imran Khan is the most popular leader in Pakistan right now...
11:32He said...
11:33She said...
11:34There won't be a trial based on that...
11:35There will be some evidences...
11:36Which are concrete evidences...
11:38But still...
11:39Do you think someone will come...
11:41Politically to back this up?
11:42No...
11:43Listen to me...
11:44When laptops will be there...
11:45Phones will be there...
11:46Evidence will be there...
11:47Documents will be there...
11:48Study documents will be there...
11:49The people who were...
11:50The facilitators of Mr. Faiz Ameen...
11:52They will come and give evidence...
11:53They will give their evidence...
11:54Because this is teamwork...
11:55One person alone...
11:56One person alone...
11:57Mr. Faiz has done everything...
11:58This is not possible...
11:59Imran Khan has done everything...
12:00This is not possible...
12:01There was a core team among all of them...
12:04Like Begum Sahiba...
12:05Or people like this...
12:06Hawari...
12:07Snake women...
12:08When we used to have meetings...
12:09I will give you an example...
12:10I remember...
12:11In the last press release it was said...
12:12Four more people were arrested...
12:13Listen to me...
12:14I will tell you a small story...
12:15You will understand...
12:16When we had a meeting of four core committees...
12:17Mr. Khan...
12:18Mr. Khan used to come 5-10-15 minutes late...
12:21If it was a 4 o'clock meeting...
12:22He used to come at 4-10...
12:234-10...
12:24Those 10 minutes...
12:25Among those four people...
12:26There were one or two people...
12:28Who used to talk to DJI...
12:29To Mr. Faiz Abid...
12:31Okay...
12:32They used to talk to Mr. Faiz Abid...
12:33Whatever they used to talk...
12:34They used to take directions...
12:35Whatever they used to talk...
12:36Then they used to talk to Mr. Khan...
12:38Even after Mr. Khan got up...
12:39We used to sit together...
12:4015-20 minutes...
12:41Half an hour...
12:42Okay...
12:43We used to talk on that...
12:44So collectively...
12:45When you used to solve puzzles from everywhere...
12:46So I...
12:47So you are solving puzzles...
12:48No...
12:49I am not solving puzzles...
12:50At that time I used to solve puzzles...
12:51And went to Mr. Khan...
12:52That it is time to get killed...
12:53And before I went to Mr. Khan...
12:54He told me that there will be a firing...
12:56Who was going to benefit from that firing?
12:58Either you have to think about it...
12:59Or you have to find it...
13:01That's why I am very confident...
13:02That the story of firing is going to be revealed...
13:04Mr. Khan...
13:05Mr. Khan had no knowledge...
13:06About the firing that took place...
13:07Because the firing that took place...
13:08He didn't have a bullet in his mouth...
13:09Or his eyes...
13:10Or he could have been shot anywhere...
13:11When the bullet went here and there...
13:12And hit the leg...
13:13Then he couldn't have known...
13:14No...
13:15That's what I am saying...
13:16Mr. Khan didn't know...
13:17But who were his beneficiaries...
13:18And why were they there...
13:19And what were they getting...
13:20Finally...
13:21Okay...
13:22So this is an argument...
13:24How do you see it?
13:26Mr. Khan's military trial...
13:28Because if you compare...
13:30Imran Khan...
13:32With a past leader...
13:34The fair comparison will be...
13:36With Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto...
13:38Probably Mr. Nawaz Sharif's...
13:39Unfair comparison...
13:40It's not unfair...
13:41I don't think it's a comparison...
13:42The public support...
13:43Which was with Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto...
13:45Maybe...
13:46Khwaja Asif had said...
13:48That he didn't have the support...
13:49Of the streets with Mr. Mian...
13:51He had a vote bank...
13:52But people say...
13:53When we used to go to jail from the hospital...
13:55We couldn't gather 100 people...
13:57So do you think...
14:00There will be a turmoil...
14:02Or will it be smooth...
14:03Which you have been seeing for 2 years...
14:05Or since you were arrested for 1.5 years...
14:08Look...
14:10Most of Faisal's statements are true...
14:12This is my point...
14:14But what Faisal says...
14:16And my point of view...
14:18I am a complete...
14:20Democrat...
14:21And I have always been...
14:23I talk about fulfilling the demands of justice...
14:25Zulfiqar Ali...
14:27Because we have a history...
14:28And it is a very hot history...
14:30We have made every Prime Minister a traitor...
14:32Whether it was Mr. Sohrab Zubardi...
14:34Whether it was...
14:35Don't go far...
14:36It was Mr. Nawaz Sharif...
14:37Whether it was Mr. Chinejo...
14:38Mian Aziz Bhutto...
14:39Nawaz Sharif...
14:40Zulfiqar Ali...
14:41Yes...
14:42Nawaz Sharif...
14:43We have made everyone a traitor...
14:44And when he...
14:45Some things...
14:46For the last 10, 15, 20 years...
14:48When we used to meet...
14:49And used to talk to people...
14:51And the people of the establishment at that time...
14:53Or the retired people...
14:54They used to tell us that...
14:56There are such evidences against Nawaz Sharif...
14:58Which that treachery...
15:00Not on one count...
15:01It is proved on 10 counts...
15:03On 10 counts...
15:04And I am his witness...
15:05Which was told to us...
15:07That Nawaz Sharif is a traitor...
15:08He can't escape...
15:10Today...
15:11Nawaz Sharif is the holiest man...
15:13So...
15:14If the seats would have come today...
15:15Maybe the Prime Minister would have come...
15:16I...
15:17My...
15:18From my mind...
15:19Whatever is the brain of my intelligence...
15:21I will keep it out...
15:23Because we were also told...
15:25General Parvez Musharraf...
15:27And you must have also heard...
15:28And must have heard again and again...
15:30And Faisal Wadar must have also heard...
15:32That...
15:33PMLN and PPP are history...
15:36Nawaz Sharif and Benazir has no future...
15:38Whether he said it or not...
15:40And then...
15:41Go ahead...
15:42There is a thorn on the name of Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz...
15:44These thorns...
15:46You were also told when you were in the meeting...
15:47There are thorns...
15:48And those thorns are gone...
15:49Absolutely...
15:51So...
15:52Either Kashif...
15:53We become absolutely...
15:55That we have no thought...
15:57We can't do any assessment...
15:59Okay...
16:00That...
16:01Six years ago...
16:02Five years ago...
16:03There was a thorn against them...
16:04And now...
16:05The same winning formula...
16:06For Pakistan...
16:08Not for PMLN...
16:09Pakistan...
16:10Now we are being told...
16:11No...No...No...
16:12Actually...
16:13In 2000...
16:14In 1999...
16:15Mr. Musharraf wrote...
16:16Repeatedly...
16:17Repeatedly...
16:18Repeatedly...
16:19And then...
16:20In 2018...
16:21In 2019...
16:22He also said in 2020...
16:23That...
16:24Actually wrong...
16:25Actually...
16:26This winning formula...
16:27Which Mr. Zardari is...
16:28Which...
16:29Mr. Nawaz Sharif is...
16:30And all this...
16:31Peoples Party...
16:32Or PMLN...
16:33So...
16:34Many questions arise for me...
16:35And...
16:36Will it be smoothed or not...
16:37So...
16:38First thing is...
16:39General Faisal Hameed's...
16:40Faisal said...
16:41It should be trial...
16:42And...
16:43This is...
16:44First in the history of Pakistan...
16:45But just to remind you, and according to Nawaz Sharif, General Shuja Pasha was also involved in a full-scale manner.
16:55He was accused not once, but a hundred times of making PTIs.
17:00Regarding Zahir-ul-Islam, Nawaz Sharif accused him of being involved in the 2014 protest.
17:07So this is not the first time. Is this the last time? That is also the big question that we need to ask.
17:13I said this because a door is being opened.
17:17It is a good thing that a door is being opened.
17:19The law and the constitution, credit to the army's leadership,
17:24they are saying that if there is any involvement in politics,
17:27the General Court-Marshall will be against it.
17:30This is the first sentence.
17:32This is what I was asking, Kashif.
17:35Kashif, I was asking the same question.
17:37The trial that is taking place, that person is Faiz Hamid.
17:43But for me, for you and for the whole of Pakistan,
17:46his importance is that there was a position in which he did not have to be involved in politics,
17:51and he was involved, and he must pay the price.
17:53And I am all for it.
17:55But have we closed those doors?
17:58Before I come to politics,
18:00Is this not happening today?
18:02That is the key thing.
18:04Has the unlimited power that was with Faiz Hamid been restored?
18:08In which checks and balances have come,
18:10the control mechanism has come,
18:12decision making has become broad-based,
18:14on the basis of which this will never happen again.
18:17Because that is the most important point.
18:19We are talking about Pakistan.
18:21Faiz Hamid is not that important.
18:23Pakistan is far more important.
18:25Faiz Hamid is a symptom.
18:27Pakistan's future is far more important.
18:29Let's take this answer.
18:31Zubair sahib, let's take this answer.
18:33Let me just say one thing.
18:35If Imran Khan goes through a military trial,
18:38with a past record of Pakistan's judicial history,
18:41it will have very bad consequences.
18:44Because even in the eyes of the world,
18:46we have to tell everyone that this was a fair trial.
18:49Imran Khan is not a small man,
18:51that by going through a trial,
18:53Faiz Hamid is obviously a soldier.
18:55A military trial should take place.
18:58Sir, answer both of these questions.
19:00The first one is, are the roads closed?
19:02Because this was the fundamental question.
19:04I asked you at that time as well.
19:06Being involved in politics.
19:08This is opening a door.
19:10Credit to the leadership.
19:12But when this door has been opened,
19:14are the doors closed for politics?
19:16Sir, credit to the leadership.
19:18Let's say it with a big heart.
19:20Credit to the chief.
19:22I have already said it to you.
19:25Would I not give it to him?
19:27No, no. What I am saying is.
19:29Credit to the chief.
19:31What more do you want?
19:33We will say whatever else you want.
19:35Whatever Mr. Zubair said.
19:37I will take Mr. Zubair's point forward.
19:39Mr. Zubair was a good face of the Noon League.
19:41Chaudhary Nisar was a good face.
19:43Khurram Dastgir is a good face.
19:45Saad Rafiq is a good face.
19:47There are a lot of people in the PTI.
19:49There are a lot of good faces in the PMN.
19:51They are sensible.
19:53They are reliable.
19:55And he is not.
19:57There is Mr. Khakana Basi.
19:59There is Mr. Mifta Ismail.
20:01So let's take Mr. Zubair's point.
20:03Because Mr. Zubair has represented both of them
20:05as their spokespersons.
20:07This has not happened in Pakistan's 70 year history.
20:09Neither of Nawaz Sharif nor of his daughter.
20:11And we have not seen the 70 year history
20:13of both of them becoming a sandwich.
20:15Which happened with them individually.
20:17Now I will take Mr. Zubair's point forward.
20:19Mr. Zubair, this problem of your ex-leader
20:21has always been there.
20:23He will put the blame on Shuja Pasha.
20:25He will put the blame on Zahirul Islam.
20:27He will put the blame on someone else.
20:29He will put the blame on Zia ul Haq.
20:31He will put the blame on Zia ul Haq
20:33who was not born before Zia ul Haq.
20:35Everyone has the venom.
20:37And I will give you an example.
20:39Today's fiasco.
20:41There was no one behind it.
20:43Listen to me.
20:45There was.
20:47Leave it.
20:49Listen to me.
20:51You should investigate the reason
20:53why he was involved in politics.
20:55Listen to me.
20:57Even today,
20:59the biggest supporter of Noon League
21:01is the vote of Nawaz Sharif.
21:03Do you believe this?
21:05So Mr. Nawaz Sharif is not seen
21:07in this entire fiasco.
21:09He is not seen in this entire story.
21:11That says it all.
21:13The elections have put a thorn in his side.
21:15Otherwise people would have taken him back.
21:17His government is still in place.
21:19If you watch that program
21:21and give a good statement
21:23which we expect.
21:25That is not my government.
21:27I was listening to Javed Latif's statement.
21:29He said that neither Nawaz Sharif
21:31nor Shahbaz Sharif wanted to form a government.
21:33This was forced.
21:35Listen to me.
21:37Javed Latif has his own opinion.
21:39We will know when the debate takes place.
21:41What is the problem today?
21:43You have to understand the temperament of the army.
21:45They come from a mediocre side.
21:47They come from villages and villages.
21:49They come with the spirit of giving their lives.
21:51They don't have any love loss.
21:53They don't fear any political party.
21:55If he is a PTI voter,
21:57he will become a captain.
21:59If he is from Noon, he will become a major.
22:01No, that wasn't even the issue.
22:03No, what I am trying to say is
22:05that here it is seen in a very bad way.
22:07When you combine the machinery of the army,
22:09the mechanism of the army,
22:11the powers of the army
22:13to create chaos.
22:15But that is what a hybrid system is.
22:17The hybrid system is
22:19that the problem in our country
22:21started with Imran Khan and Jal Bajwa
22:23when the government and the army
22:25or the establishment came together.
22:27They said that we will rule the state.
22:29Which is still going on.
22:31It is a hybrid system.
22:33Earlier the government was on one side
22:35and the establishment was on the other.
22:37What did Faiz Ameen Gajar give you
22:39that the government will make you the president
22:41Do you think there was a reason
22:43for Imran Khan to protest?
22:45Till today, the call of December 2014
22:47was for Faiz Ameen Gajar.
22:49So what was the death for Faiz Ameen Gajar
22:51that we wanted to make him the chief?
22:53It means that we wanted to use him
22:55like a peacock and take our benefit.
22:57That failed.
22:59Now the question is that
23:01even now in the wave of terrorism
23:03in the political parties,
23:05the People's Party has also passed.
23:07You remember Al-Murtaza.
23:09The dead bodies of Noon League and
23:11Border Town have fallen.
23:13All these parties have evolved
23:15from terrorism and have disconnected.
23:17And a clean leadership has taken
23:19the wheel of democracy.
23:21Not every person in PTI is a terrorist.
23:23Not every person is a goon.
23:25Not every person is a goon.
23:27So the good faces should disconnect
23:29from terrorism.
23:31Now this is Gandhapur.
23:33Now this has come to rise.
23:35This will be the final call.
23:37The use of power.
23:39Model Town was an abuse of power.
23:41That we are the government
23:43and we can do it.
23:45Today, for example,
23:47as I said in the opening of the program,
23:49Tariq Khan is saying that
23:51on 26th November, the government
23:53fired a bullet.
23:55Now you will call it terrorism.
23:57The government at that time
23:59ignored the Muslim League in Model Town.
24:01The problem is that when this incident
24:03goes ahead, let's see where it goes.
24:05The debate started that day.
24:07The death certificates you are showing
24:09on TV and in the media
24:11are genuine.
24:13People died of bullets.
24:15But it is written somewhere
24:17that they died of government bullets
24:19or PTI bullets.
24:21The problem is that it becomes easier
24:23to make a judicial commission
24:25which only establishes
24:27whether the bullet was fired or not.
24:29But before that,
24:31why was this opportunity given
24:33that you can kill anyone
24:35even if he is a man?
24:37You are absolutely right.
24:39But again, I am saying,
24:41you cannot take the right of protest.
24:43You cannot take anyone's right.
24:45This decision is not taken by any government.
24:47Listen to my argument.
24:49You cannot take anyone's right of protest.
24:51This is a right given to them
24:53by the constitution of this country.
24:55This is a right given to them
24:57by the constitution of this country.
24:59This is a right given to them
25:01by the constitution of this country.
25:03You cannot protest in the Supreme Court
25:05or in the Parliament.
25:07You decide where you will protest.
25:09But you cannot stop it.
25:11The problem is that when you go to stop it,
25:13then all this happens.
25:15Let's take a break.
25:17Welcome back Nazeem.
25:19Mr. Zubair,
25:21this debate will go on
25:23like Mr. Bhatt's militancy.
25:25Unfortunately, in our region,
25:27in our country,
25:29the BJP is a little bit mischievous.
25:31And when it comes to government,
25:33it becomes more mischievous.
25:35But now, PTI has formed a committee
25:37to talk to the government.
25:39The problem is that the government
25:41does one more thing.
25:43Conflict resolution.
25:45Solving the issue.
25:47It seems that they will not be able to talk.
25:49Do you agree with this policy and strategy?
25:51That they should not talk about justice at all.
25:53What is the solution?
25:55If you give me half a minute,
25:57I will ask for justice.
25:59There should be justice.
26:01Whatever charges they have,
26:03I have personally suffered from
26:05Faiz Hamid directly.
26:07And in a very bad way.
26:09Many people know about it.
26:11So,
26:13despite this,
26:15I thought I will just remind myself.
26:17I didn't know that two Faiz Hamid's
26:19sad people are sitting here.
26:21I have paid a lot of money.
26:23But still,
26:25having said that,
26:27there should be justice.
26:29And the demands of justice should be met.
26:31It should not be based on
26:33what he said.
26:35As I said earlier,
26:37it should not be based on what he said.
26:39Exactly.
26:41As far as the conversation is concerned,
26:43there will be no conversation
26:45with which PTI gets any space.
26:47PTI will not get any space.
26:49Faisal Wada knows more than me.
26:51But from the point of view of
26:53PMLN,
26:55in mid-2022,
26:57or around that period,
26:59and subsequent events have
27:01confirmed that
27:03there is no space for PTI
27:05as far as the ruling parties are concerned.
27:07In which there are three parties,
27:09PMLN, PBP and MQM.
27:11There is no space for them.
27:13The return of PTI
27:15or giving them space.
27:17But Mr. Zubair, the argument is,
27:19and I agree with you that
27:21there is no space.
27:23But now that a call has been made
27:25to do or die in 2024,
27:27PTI has moved away
27:29from its original position
27:31of being an establishment.
27:33Mr. Wada was also talking about
27:35negotiations.
27:37But now if there is space
27:39where you can negotiate
27:41from the position of strength
27:43as a government,
27:45do you think there should be
27:47negotiations?
27:49No one can deny that there should be
27:51negotiations.
27:53But what is the offer for PMLN?
27:55Let's take out the establishment completely.
27:57PMLN has the Prime Minister,
27:59their cabinet, their government,
28:01they also have the Punjab government,
28:03and they are sharing coalitions
28:05in Balochistan and so on.
28:07What do they have?
28:09They are not sitting with a band-aid.
28:11So first of all, they are sitting
28:13across the table.
28:15They have to do justice
28:17to the 2024 elections.
28:19They have to set up tribunals
28:21so that we know who won
28:23and who lost,
28:25who is sitting in the assembly,
28:27and who is sitting right.
28:29The assembly is an unfinished agenda.
28:31The elections of the KPK Senate
28:33have not been held yet.
28:35So all these things have to happen.
28:37Why would PMLN,
28:39even if I was sitting in PMLN,
28:41I would say that I had lost
28:43because of the PMLN.
28:45I would not say that.
28:47No one would say that.
28:49So what are we expecting
28:51from the government of Pakistan?
28:53Shabaz Sharif will take refuge
28:55from the establishment.
28:57That is why he is joining
28:59with the establishment.
29:01The establishment has started
29:03to support Imran Khan
29:05and we will continue to rule
29:07for the next four and a half years.
29:09I think this is PMLN's
29:11intention.
29:13They have nothing
29:15to give each other.
29:17Imran Khan's party
29:19has only one demand.
29:21They want Imran Khan out.
29:23If Imran Khan is removed,
29:25the government will not
29:27be able to run for a long time.
29:29On the other hand,
29:31there will be a demand
29:33from Tariq-e-Insaaf
29:35to let this system run
29:37for two, two and a half years.
29:39You have to take out
29:41space from certain things.
29:43If I am against you...
29:45What advice would you give?
29:47I would say,
29:49take two steps back
29:51and find a way out.
29:53This cannot be done by the country.
29:55This will increase instability.
29:57This is the issue of Maulana Sahib.
29:59The government will have
30:01to solve this issue.
30:03And it will be solved.
30:05We will have to find a way
30:07out of this issue.
30:09We will have to find a way
30:11out of this issue.
30:13This is the mandate of
30:15MKM.
30:17You cannot call them
30:19and tell them to sign
30:21this agenda.
30:23You cannot do that.
30:25This is not the way.
30:27This is politics.
30:29No, no, no.
30:31We have accommodated
30:33MKM in our court.
30:35We have accommodated you.
30:37We have accommodated the people
30:39who have accommodated us.
30:41Sir, you have not accommodated us.
30:43Maulana Sahib's mandate was stolen
30:45in KPK.
30:47There is no justification for that.
30:49You can say that he did not have 100 seats.
30:51He could have had 50, 40, 2 or 1.
30:53You can say that.
30:55This is not possible.
30:57You have to find a way out of this.
30:59You said that you will
31:01listen to the National Government.
31:03Yes, Zubair.
31:05Can I ask a question to Faisal?
31:07Faisal, tell me one thing.
31:09When PTI sits
31:11and says that there should be
31:13justice for the February elections,
31:15what is your stance?
31:17I have a very simple stance.
31:19When PTI says that
31:21you should give us more
31:23for the 2024 elections,
31:25they will ask you to give them
31:27more for the 2018 elections.
31:29There was a theft there as well.
31:31What he is saying is
31:332018 is under the bridge.
31:35Water under the bridge.
31:37Let's move on.
31:39Is there an option
31:41for Imran Khan to come out of jail?
31:43I can tell you that
31:45in the history of this country,
31:47you have seen people being hanged
31:49and jailed.
31:51Was he still a minister in jail?
31:53Yes, he was a minister.
31:55He was a big minister.
31:57You have the history.
31:59The question is
32:01whether Imran Khan
32:03can be released from jail.
32:05Can this be a deal in any
32:07kind of negotiation?
32:09You are a lieutenant general
32:11and a spy master of DG ISI.
32:13You are trying to
32:15get justice.
32:17You have shown the army
32:19for 70 years.
32:21The people who are
32:23a part of this conspiracy
32:25will be released legally.
32:27Tomorrow, God forbid,
32:29a big leader will shoot you
32:31and you will be released.
32:33You have certainly sent
32:35reports to other countries.
32:37I understand your point.
32:39He will not come out.
32:41It's too late.
32:43It's too late.
32:45I will try to
32:47pray that
32:49the death penalty
32:51and the traitor
32:53should not go beyond
32:55the death penalty.
32:57He should stay in jail
32:59for as long as he is allowed.
33:01It's easy to talk about this.
33:03The situation is
33:05on a knife's edge
33:07in Pakistan.
33:09We will make
33:11a decision tomorrow.
33:13Every action has a consequence.
33:15I hope we understand.
33:17It's very important to
33:19keep the temperature down.
33:21You have said
33:23that you have come to
33:25bring down the party.
33:27I have told them that
33:29I have not come to bring down
33:31the party or the government.
33:33If you are standing,
33:35I will bring you down.
33:37If you are not standing,
33:39how can I bring you down?
33:41I am lifting you up.
33:43What can we do?
33:45This is the problem.
33:47This is wrong.
33:49This needs to stop.
33:51Probably directly or indirectly
33:53he is saying that there is no chance
33:55of coming out.
33:57Now what?
33:59Where will the conflict resolution
34:01go in the system?
34:03Kashif, these are childish talks.
34:05There will be no conflict resolution.
34:07It has never happened in Pakistan.
34:09When there is a thorn in the side
34:11in Pakistan,
34:13it is removed on political grounds.
34:15Imran Khan was also
34:17arrested on political grounds.
34:19When she was bailed
34:21a month ago,
34:23she was not released.
34:25She was filed a case in Pindi.
34:27Pakistan is a joke
34:29as far as
34:31judicial history is concerned.
34:33Especially today.
34:35When you say that
34:37someone was bailed
34:39from Lahore on 9th May,
34:41like Khadija,
34:43then the police of Biawadi
34:45arrested her on 9th May.
34:47Then she had to go to Quetta.
34:49When you make such a joke,
34:51no one will trust you.
34:53No one will make it very true.
34:55You will punish Haseena,
34:57you will imprison Umar.
34:59There will be very devastating
35:01consequences.
35:03It is not easy to talk about this.
35:05I hope Haseena
35:07gets imprisoned.
35:09The day military trial starts,
35:11I did not say that
35:13something will explode in this country.
35:15It is a big deal
35:17that a politician
35:19gets trialed.
35:21Saddam Hussein
35:23was in power
35:25for 34 years.
35:27He was with full power.
35:29Western world
35:31got destroyed
35:33in one night.
35:35He is not alone.
35:37There are many people like him.
35:39It is not possible
35:41to say that
35:43this is the end of the world.
35:45It is not possible.
35:47It is beneficial
35:49for us.
35:51It should not happen.
35:53The other thing
35:55is that
35:57there is a pardon option
35:59in the world.
36:01There is a presidential pardon.
36:03There are many things.
36:05I am talking about
36:07possibilities.
36:09You can't end.
36:11I want to take a break.
36:13Keep the session open.
36:15Let's talk.
36:17Faisal wrote
36:19that the country does not stop.
36:21The country has stopped.
36:23Pakistan has suffered.
36:25Pakistan is far behind.
36:27Let me take a break.
36:31Welcome back.
36:33We have to solve the problems.
36:35We have to bring the country forward.
36:37We have to bring political stability.
36:39Everyone's path is to
36:41solve the problems.
36:43Solve the problems.
36:45Do not increase the problems.
36:47Allah Hafiz.