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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guest:
- Asad Umar (Politician)
Why did Asad Umar leave politics and PTI? - Asad Umar Told Everything
'' Mushkil Waqt 9 May Ko Nahi Shuru Howa Tha Balkay. ..'', Asad Umar Ne Ahem Baat Bta Di
Does Asad Umar recognize Shehbaz's govt? - Asad Umar's Big Statement
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(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Kashif Abbasi
Guest:
- Asad Umar (Politician)
Why did Asad Umar leave politics and PTI? - Asad Umar Told Everything
'' Mushkil Waqt 9 May Ko Nahi Shuru Howa Tha Balkay. ..'', Asad Umar Ne Ahem Baat Bta Di
Does Asad Umar recognize Shehbaz's govt? - Asad Umar's Big Statement
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00:00 Assalam o alikum, dear viewers, you are watching the program with Kashif Abbasi and today we
00:15 have Asad Umar with us.
00:18 Thank you very much, Asad.
00:21 Most welcome.
00:22 It's been a long time since we last met.
00:25 We will verify that all the interviews of my political career have been with you.
00:31 That's very kind of you.
00:32 So now we will talk about the post political career interview.
00:36 We were talking about this earlier that a politician never gets old.
00:39 A politician never leaves politics.
00:41 Even now, when you become a political commentator, your politics is the basis of that.
00:45 My experience in politics is correct.
00:49 But this concept that a politician who has become old never leaves politics,
00:53 is a desi concept.
00:55 Where politics becomes your business, your way of life,
00:59 where there are mature democracies, it is very common.
01:03 A person comes from the private sector, he was in the public service earlier,
01:08 he came, he served in the political system for 4, 5, 8 years,
01:12 and then he moved on in his life.
01:14 But he served as a technocrat.
01:15 You were a technocrat but you did very active politics,
01:18 according to Secretary General Tariq Khan.
01:20 So, someone told you that you are a political commentator,
01:23 you should be the former retired President of the United States.
01:26 What politics does Obama do?
01:27 He can't do politics.
01:28 What politics does George Bush do?
01:29 What will he do by becoming the President?
01:30 Okay, he can do politics, he can't become the President, but he can do politics.
01:34 It's possible.
01:35 Anyway.
01:36 It's possible.
01:37 Let's go to our country and say that Obama did not do politics.
01:39 Once the donkey's tail was blown, then he died.
01:42 Why did you leave politics?
01:43 Because when you left the jail, you went to the press club.
01:48 That was a shuttle service.
01:50 The rest of the people, or the rest of the people left the party.
01:56 They left politics.
01:57 You said that you are only going to leave the office.
01:59 And my program with you happened after that.
02:02 I felt that you are not leaving politics, you don't want to leave PTI.
02:05 Then why did you decide in the end?
02:07 Let me quote you one thing.
02:09 In October, you gave an interview.
02:12 You were asked a question, "Are you a part of PTI?"
02:15 Your answer was, "Do you have any objections?"
02:18 And on November 11, you left politics through a tweet.
02:22 What happened in that month?
02:23 Let me tell you completely that the terrorist court left Lahore.
02:28 I was asked a question that the IPP has asked you to join.
02:32 I said, "Yes, of course."
02:33 I said it more than once.
02:34 They said, "What answer did you give?"
02:36 I said, "Best of luck, you are also in politics, I am not coming to you."
02:39 They said, "Are you still a part of PTI?"
02:41 I said, "Yes, I am a part of PTI."
02:42 This conversation happened.
02:43 And I was a part of PTI.
02:44 What happened in a month?
02:45 It's not a matter of a month.
02:47 Let me take you back a little.
02:50 I am not a politician.
02:52 I am not from a political family.
02:54 I am not a politician.
02:55 I am not a career politician.
02:56 Imran Khan sir, not once, but several times, directly through my brother,
03:02 Arif Alvi, Ali Zaidi, etc.
03:06 Through Jahangir Tareen, he said, "You should come to the party."
03:09 And he said, "Yes, it is necessary."
03:10 So, I ultimately decided, although I was at the peak of my professional career,
03:14 that there is a man who is sincere with Pakistan,
03:17 wants to improve Pakistan.
03:19 He is in the opposition at the moment.
03:21 He is not afraid to join the seven, technically, professional, big parties.
03:27 He is afraid of coming into Pakistan's politics.
03:30 So, let me help him.
03:32 And I told him this.
03:33 In 2012, you joined.
03:34 In 2012, I joined.
03:35 I said, "The election is after a year.
03:37 So, I will join for a year.
03:38 After that, when you become the Prime Minister,
03:40 everyone will be ready to work for you."
03:42 And when I met my wife for the first time, Imran Khan,
03:47 before that, my wife would say even a single word.
03:50 So, she said, "I know you have made a big sacrifice."
03:53 So, my wife said, "For a year."
03:55 And Imran Khan sir said, "Absolutely, for a year."
03:57 Okay, the election came in 2013.
03:59 I am telling you this just so that I can think about politics.
04:03 The election came in 2013.
04:05 I left my career, the biggest corporate job in Pakistan.
04:09 I didn't even ask for a ticket.
04:11 I didn't ask for a ticket, nor did I get one.
04:14 I had no intention of fighting the election.
04:16 When the election was over,
04:18 Khan sir was injured, lying on the bed.
04:21 Javed Hashmi sir won a lot of seats.
04:23 So, two seats.
04:24 Javed Hashmi sir, Khan sir was lying like this.
04:26 He gave me a sign like this.
04:27 "Asad, I need you in the parliament."
04:29 I said, "What do I do with him? Where did he come from?"
04:31 After that, Javed Hashmi sir contacted me.
04:33 "I am leaving Islamabad for this reason, so you should fight."
04:36 After that, Shah Mehmood Qureshi.
04:38 I said, "You have met him."
04:40 He said, "No, no, I left Hashmi, you should fight."
04:42 I said, "I am in the assembly."
04:44 He dragged me and asked for the secretary general.
04:46 So much love from Khan sir.
04:48 Then you left the party.
04:50 People say you couldn't take the pressure.
04:52 Anyway, people say whatever they want.
04:55 I don't want to comment on that.
04:57 I have said as much as I had to say, on my reasons.
05:02 Khan sir will come out and sit with you.
05:06 If he sits with you, he has not yet sat with you.
05:09 If you ask someone, who is the most disappointed with Imran Khan?
05:14 Or Asad Umar.
05:16 But why is he?
05:18 Anyway, leave that.
05:20 Why is he?
05:21 Leave that. Ten people have commented.
05:23 As you are saying, there was a special relationship.
05:27 He used to consult you on everything.
05:29 This is a useless debate.
05:32 I will not discuss this with you.
05:34 As I said, we had a special relationship.
05:38 And God willing, we will sit with him.
05:40 We will discuss his complaints against me.
05:44 We will also discuss my complaints against him.
05:47 You have complaints too?
05:48 Yes, of course.
05:49 I am not going to give you the ratings of Kashif Abbasi.
05:56 Anyway, overall, in 11 and a half years,
06:01 the space, the opportunity that Imran Khan gave me,
06:05 the personal relationship that he had with me,
06:07 do I see any shortcomings in that?
06:10 Not at all.
06:12 I asked because in October you said that you will leave me in November.
06:17 I am a personal comment.
06:19 I will tell you why this decision was not made in November.
06:23 But I will also tell you that the personal thing that you asked,
06:28 what kind of care he had, you know that he is known as,
06:32 he does not care for personal things.
06:36 He was the Prime Minister for three and a half years, eight months.
06:41 He did not attend any wedding.
06:43 My son's wedding was in Karachi and he came to Karachi to attend.
06:46 April month, this is a month before May 9.
06:51 I had a pancreatitis attack.
06:53 It was Ramzan at 4.45 in the morning.
06:55 I saw a message on Serry at 4.45 in the morning.
06:58 He had done it.
06:59 I said, how are you feeling now?
07:01 So he was super nice to me individually.
07:03 So what I am telling you, complaints, complaints,
07:06 that is a matter of political decisions.
07:08 I have no view on the way he was in his personal content.
07:12 I think when you left the post of Secretary General,
07:15 you wanted to stay in Tariq-e-Insaf.
07:18 But you saw a footage of the court,
07:21 Imran Khan was very disappointed.
07:24 When he did not contact you,
07:27 that footage was proved to be true for you.
07:30 I will tell you that court footage,
07:32 I know whom you are talking about.
07:34 That is not representative at all.
07:36 Whatever else is there is not representative at all.
07:38 Khan came and sat, I was sitting on the right.
07:41 He looked at me and he smiled.
07:44 I got up to shake his hand.
07:46 People were standing in the middle to shake his hand.
07:49 So it seems that Khan was not shaking my hand.
07:53 If he was not standing in the middle,
07:55 I would normally shake his hand.
07:57 I am saying this because you could have left the party
08:00 on the first day when you came out of jail.
08:02 You did not leave.
08:03 You waited till November.
08:05 See, when I have decided that I do not want to do politics anymore,
08:10 and this was my decision in 2021,
08:13 just for your information,
08:16 I had told you in 2021 and many other people
08:19 that I will not do this after the parliamentary term.
08:21 In August, that parliamentary term ended.
08:24 And they thought that our government had gone.
08:27 If I had to escape from that difficult time,
08:29 I am mad, I have made 40 cases on myself,
08:32 I went to jail twice, I gave three different jails,
08:35 I cut the prison sentence,
08:37 I am still going around,
08:40 my cases are not ending,
08:42 more than a dozen cases of terrorism are going on,
08:44 so I am not going to make it difficult for them.
08:47 These are the people who are going to give speeches after 9th May,
08:50 they have tweeted four times and held a press conference,
08:52 so they are very big.
08:54 The difficult time did not start on 9th May.
08:57 Asad Umar had gone to jail,
08:59 Kot Lakhpat and Rajanpur had gone to jail before 9th May.
09:02 It was the day of the jail.
09:04 Yes, it was jail, and there was a prison sentence,
09:06 and it was Rajanpur.
09:08 So my point is that I had my own internal commitment,
09:14 you knew, my cabinet colleagues knew,
09:17 but not everyone knew.
09:19 So I said, when I decided that this is a parliamentary term,
09:21 it is good, I have to stay.
09:23 But did you think that you will leave it at a difficult time?
09:25 I thought that I had to go, but I will leave it at this time.
09:28 That was the easiest thing, I would have left it by 25th May.
09:32 Why did I do that in November?
09:34 At that time, the election date was finalized,
09:37 your tickets were to be announced,
09:39 and you had to fight the election.
09:41 So you had to make a decision.
09:44 So anyway, whatever the decision was,
09:46 And no one asked for the ticket?
09:48 I am not in the party, so how can I ask for the ticket?
09:51 There was no discussion before that?
09:53 You did not get any message from Mr. Khan?
09:55 Not from Mr. Khan, but I did get one message,
09:57 the guy who worked with him,
09:59 that Mr. Khan said that he had to attend a meeting,
10:01 I will tell you later, after that he did not attend the meeting.
10:04 In jail?
10:05 No, not jail, this will happen in June or July.
10:11 So there was an option of a meeting,
10:14 Mr. Khan said that he had to attend a meeting, but it did not happen.
10:17 I will tell you the name of the guy who called me,
10:20 I used to work with him.
10:21 Is there any way to return?
10:23 You should ask me, I have decided three years ago.
10:28 I know that you said that you wanted to leave it,
10:32 I will not go, but if Mr. Khan forced me to do it for the country,
10:35 I might do it.
10:36 It was that 50-50, more leaning towards leaving.
10:40 You wanted to leave more,
10:42 wanted to stay less, but if you were very...
10:45 Actually whoever quoted you, did not quote you correctly.
10:48 I was ready to do politics.
10:50 There are ten other ways to support, to help,
10:53 that Imran Khan will work for the betterment of the country,
10:56 If you call, I will go.
10:58 Imran Khan's help, non-political.
11:00 I don't want to do politics, I am clear about that.
11:03 You can help him by being a technocrat.
11:05 I can do that, whatever knowledge we have to give, we will give.
11:08 We have nothing to take,
11:10 Mr. Kashif, you have seen my life as a minister,
11:13 he said that he was a minister,
11:14 my minister's life was ten times worse than my normal life.
11:19 The problem is, I understand that it is not for everyone,
11:24 but the majority is for people,
11:26 it is unfortunate, you and Mohammad Zubair,
11:29 two people who are said to be educated people,
11:32 but there is not much space in Pakistani politics for such people.
11:36 No, I am not like that.
11:38 Like I told you before, I cannot complain that Imran Khan did not give me space.
11:41 I think there is a lot of space.
11:43 He was also made a translator,
11:44 but when the opportunity came, he was thrown out.
11:46 I cannot comment on him, he can only tell me,
11:49 I have no such complaint, I got space,
11:52 I got everything, in fact, whatever I did not want,
11:55 he asked me more than that and brought me forward.
11:57 But the exit of the two of you is very different.
11:59 Mr. Zubair's exit or getting out of politics,
12:02 due to the fight with the establishment.
12:04 You also got out of it due to the fight,
12:06 but you got out of that fight when Mr. Zubair fought and got out.
12:09 You must remember that statement,
12:11 then whatever happened with him, I do not want to comment on it.
12:14 I do not want to comment on my brother's story.
12:17 Mr. Khan is in jail, the government is established,
12:21 the government of Form 47 is right,
12:23 the way of justice is very much that it is not a mandated government.
12:30 Do you think so?
12:32 No, I did not say that.
12:35 Ask, do you want to ask anything else?
12:37 No, no, you said that the way of justice is right.
12:40 Tell me what happened from where.
12:42 See, because obviously.
12:44 Because my tweet of Shabaz Sharif is closed,
12:47 but there is no legitimacy.
12:49 How many seats are there in your house?
12:51 I can't tell you the number.
12:52 Assume 30 to 40, 40 to 50, 15 to 20, 20 to 25.
12:55 I am telling you that I am going to sit at home and beat you up.
12:58 You know that I do not pull this kind of air.
13:00 But Shabaz Sharif is not a minister with legitimacy and credibility.
13:03 He is not mandated.
13:04 So these are mandatory seats, not with the government.
13:06 No, no, in no case, he is not in the government.
13:09 Now Mr. Tariq-e-Insaab needs advice.
13:11 What is the advice?
13:12 Because this is a place where some people are saying that you should talk to politicians.
13:16 You will remember this.
13:18 Long before, when in May, sorry before May and April 2022,
13:23 especially when there were elections in Punjab,
13:26 you also gave speeches.
13:27 You were part of that team.
13:29 What would be your advice?
13:31 Should it go on like this that I am just talking to the establishment?
13:34 Look, if you allow me, I will come out of it a little bit and talk about it.
13:39 First of all, you start from here.
13:41 What is your political insight?
13:43 No, no, I will give you the political.
13:45 I will give you the political.
13:46 The position that was in my Tariq-e-Insaab,
13:48 the public position and the private position,
13:50 I will put both in front of you.
13:51 There is no difference in that.
13:53 I am just saying that you should clear the context first.
13:55 Pakistan, where it is standing today,
13:59 is a huge failure of Pakistan's leadership.
14:05 And no statement of the world can change this reality.
14:09 You go and see the life of the people of Pakistan.
14:11 The life of a common man, what we have done with him,
14:13 the whole world has moved forward.
14:15 After one, after the second, after the third,
14:17 the fourth country has moved forward from Pakistan.
14:19 In the last 35 years, I cannot go into technical detail,
14:23 there has been destruction.
14:24 Where were you ahead of India,
14:26 ahead of Bangladesh, where did you fall ahead?
14:29 Let me just tell you that in the last 30 years,
14:31 the improvement of your economy,
14:34 if it had remained the same as it was in the last 30 years,
14:37 then your, my and the entire income of 25 crore Pakistanis
14:40 would have been doubled.
14:42 So much destruction has happened.
14:44 So, this destruction means that this system is not delivering.
14:48 Whatever system we are trying to run in the last 35 years,
14:53 it is not delivering.
14:54 It is a hybrid type.
14:55 There are different versions of hybrid.
14:57 From 1988 to 1999,
15:00 the government is coming and going through 58-2B President.
15:04 Then Mr. Musharraf's executive came,
15:07 became the chief executive.
15:08 After 2008, another hybrid came.
15:11 You were a hybrid in 2018.
15:13 None of that is working.
15:14 Let's assume that you were a hybrid system in 2018.
15:17 Was it absolutely pure, free and fair,
15:20 in which there was no involvement of the army?
15:22 I think there was involvement.
15:23 In the 2018 elections.
15:24 I think there was involvement in the lead up to the events.
15:27 It was not on the day of the elections.
15:29 The drama you have seen now,
15:30 there was nothing like that.
15:31 There was nothing like that.
15:32 There were whistles.
15:33 If you go to Karachi, you will know what happened.
15:36 The reality of the people of Karachi has been revealed.
15:38 The people of Karachi have come to know whether the vote was real or not.
15:42 I have also heard these theories.
15:43 Anyway, leave that.
15:44 But I agree that the Seraiki province has become a mess.
15:47 The MNLs that were coming in one after the other.
15:49 But this is controversial.
15:51 Sir, even after the elections,
15:52 the free people are still in the party.
15:53 This is controversial.
15:54 After that, the free hopefuls came along, etc.
15:58 All these small, united parties,
16:00 were all those parties that were close to the army,
16:02 but not close to us.
16:03 MQM was not friendly with us.
16:04 BAP was not friendly with us.
16:06 PMLQ was not friendly with us.
16:08 So that was there,
16:09 but this is still controversial.
16:11 The thing that Khan sir himself has said publicly,
16:15 there is no doubt about it.
16:16 He is saying that we could not complete the budget votes.
16:19 So they used to complete it for us.
16:22 So it was a hybrid in some form or the other.
16:24 The comparison of that,
16:25 the mistake you make,
16:27 that happened in 2018,
16:28 and in 2024,
16:29 there is a difference between the sky and the earth.
16:31 What happened then and what happened now.
16:33 So keep that in mind.
16:34 I am just saying that
16:36 if this system is not delivered,
16:39 then it needs to be changed.
16:41 How?
16:42 To change that,
16:43 because I believe that
16:45 Pakistan cannot be complete without democracy,
16:48 cannot succeed.
16:49 This country was formed on the basis of democracy.
16:51 This country was formed on the basis of voting in the referendum.
16:54 A politician, Muhammad Ali Jinnah,
16:57 the leader of the country,
16:58 formed this country in leadership.
17:00 There are people who speak different languages in this country.
17:02 There are people who live in different areas.
17:04 If you want to keep this system organized,
17:06 then the unity of the democracy is the solution.
17:08 And if the democracy is the solution,
17:10 then you have to provide a solution in political leadership.
17:13 The establishment has a very big role,
17:14 the biggest role in this whole period.
17:17 And if we are saying that…
17:18 They do not have a political role.
17:19 No, no, they do have a role.
17:21 It should not be.
17:22 It should be that the talks are being held.
17:23 It should not be at all.
17:24 But it has been.
17:25 It has not only been,
17:26 but it has been the biggest role.
17:27 So if you want to get rid of this,
17:29 this is my personal opinion,
17:31 and I am not saying this now,
17:32 this is what I am saying,
17:33 Secretary General Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
17:35 now you were asking about Tariq-e-Insaf,
17:36 Secretary General Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
17:38 the program with you,
17:40 and dozens of other programs,
17:41 you can see them,
17:43 from April 2022 to the next 12 months,
17:46 I always used to say,
17:48 politicians should talk to each other.
17:50 Without compromising principles,
17:52 you are saying that Imran Khan,
17:54 and Shabaz Sharif, Nawaz Sharif,
17:56 Zardari Sahib, Bilawal Sahib,
17:58 all of them should sit and decide
17:59 to run this country,
18:00 what are the rules of the game.
18:01 100% correct, if they do not do it.
18:03 And you will say to Tariq-e-Insaf,
18:05 this party is in trouble,
18:07 so why is he sympathetic,
18:08 he is not anymore,
18:09 he was 11 and a half years old,
18:11 so he has sympathy for him,
18:12 that is why he is saying,
18:13 Muslim League Noon is there today,
18:15 and I have said this on your program too,
18:17 and I have said it again and again,
18:18 since April 2022,
18:19 Muslim League Noon,
18:20 is going to bury their politics,
18:22 they have already buried their politics,
18:24 Muslim League Noon is standing there,
18:26 where PMLQ was standing in 2005 and 2006,
18:29 they are in the government,
18:31 they have become hollow from the bottom,
18:34 so if you want to come back into politics,
18:37 then you will have to make compromises.
18:40 But that is where,
18:41 Noon is making noise,
18:43 they are making noise,
18:45 they will have to take the lead,
18:46 they can't just make noise,
18:47 they are in the government.
18:48 They can't just take the lead,
18:49 yesterday there was an interview,
18:51 Ali Amin Gandapur,
18:53 he is a member of the Muzakirati Committee,
18:55 he said he won't talk to them.
18:57 Okay, that is Ali Amin Gandapur's decision,
18:59 the day Ali Amin Gandapur,
19:00 Khan sir says he wants to talk,
19:01 he will talk to them,
19:02 and it can be his personal opinion,
19:04 he should talk,
19:05 I think he should talk.
19:06 Have you ever told Khan sir,
19:07 that we should talk,
19:08 and he didn't agree,
19:09 he refused every time.
19:10 Absolutely,
19:11 we had a difference of opinion on that,
19:13 and it is still there,
19:15 see, what I believe,
19:17 I personally,
19:18 our government for 3.5 years,
19:20 even before that when it was in the opposition,
19:22 you know whenever there was a negotiation committee
19:24 with the government,
19:25 of PTI,
19:26 I was a part of it,
19:27 Jahangir Tareen, Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
19:28 R.A. Falvi,
19:29 I was among us,
19:30 Parvez Khattak,
19:31 after the protest,
19:32 I was in the negotiation,
19:33 in the same way,
19:34 I used to go to the government,
19:35 whenever I had to sit with the opposition,
19:37 I was also in those committees.
19:39 My personal experience is this,
19:41 accountability is the only thing,
19:43 on which we can't compromise,
19:46 and they used to demand that accountability will not be done.
19:50 Absolutely,
19:51 when our government was there,
19:52 when we took the threat of,
19:54 they said,
19:55 keep this threat of aside,
19:57 first you come to the NAB ordinance,
19:59 and remember,
20:00 we told you clause by clause,
20:02 that which leader is free from which chain,
20:05 that is the only thing,
20:07 which you have to find a solution,
20:09 on which you can't compromise,
20:11 nor should you,
20:12 nor is it a moral excuse.
20:14 It is a very easy solution.
20:16 I am going on a break,
20:17 make an independent NAB,
20:19 make a method of arresting,
20:21 which is the same for everyone,
20:23 and why should anyone be arrested,
20:25 if someone lives in Pakistan,
20:27 you will say that as long as your case is going on,
20:29 you will stay here,
20:30 and don't arrest them,
20:31 and run their cases in the court.
20:33 Instead of going into the details,
20:35 I am telling you,
20:36 even that NAB,
20:37 there were two people,
20:38 one from the People's Party,
20:39 and one from the Muslim League,
20:40 there was a closed door meeting,
20:42 I won't disclose their names,
20:44 they said that,
20:45 if we are doing this much,
20:47 the public will react,
20:48 what are we doing?
20:49 We have to make minimum changes,
20:50 and there were such things,
20:51 arrest on suspicion,
20:52 arrest on investigation stage,
20:54 90 days remand,
20:56 bottom line is,
20:58 that the politicians should find a way,
21:00 because even if someone wants,
21:03 this is the failure of the charter of democracy.
21:05 I will use one word,
21:07 we will come back to this,
21:08 a charter, new charter,
21:09 that the politicians should coexist,
21:11 without compromising principles,
21:13 and Tariq Anzal would have shot down,
21:16 yesterday,
21:17 Musawan Wascocker was here,
21:18 he said that the biggest criminal in this,
21:20 if there is a party,
21:21 is Tariq Anzal,
21:22 he is not ready to talk,
21:23 he just spoke,
21:24 if he talks,
21:25 he will talk to the Army Chief and DGSI,
21:27 why?
21:28 This used to happen in your time too,
21:29 you would talk to Mir Jafar,
21:30 Mir Sadak,
21:31 only with them,
21:32 why is this?
21:33 Because he is a power center,
21:34 that is why you think,
21:35 that the vote bank is affected,
21:37 a break,
21:38 we will come back after the break.
21:40 Welcome back Naseem,
21:41 Asad Umar is with us,
21:42 Khan sir,
21:43 can you do the charter of democracy,
21:44 as long as you can,
21:45 or not?
21:46 Look,
21:47 Khan sir,
21:48 will need a big decision for this,
21:49 can Imran Khan make big decisions,
21:50 yes he can,
21:51 he has made big decisions in the past,
21:52 so he can do it,
21:53 but he will have to be convinced,
21:54 that this is the right thing to do,
21:55 and he is not convinced on it yet,
21:56 like I am saying that the system,
21:57 that is in place at the moment,
21:58 is not a system,
21:59 that can be done,
22:00 that is not a system,
22:01 that can be done,
22:02 that is a system,
22:03 and it is not a system,
22:04 that can be done,
22:05 that is a system,
22:06 that is a system,
22:07 and I am saying that the system,
22:08 that is in place at the moment,
22:09 I have to believe,
22:10 and I am repeating this again,
22:11 I am saying this publicly,
22:12 as Secretary General of PTI,
22:13 if all the political parties,
22:14 are holding each other's neck,
22:15 parliamentary democracy,
22:16 cannot work,
22:17 cannot work successfully,
22:18 so we will have to make,
22:19 some basic rules of the game,
22:20 agreement,
22:21 people like me and you,
22:22 are ready to give free advice,
22:23 but political leaders,
22:24 will have to sit,
22:25 and they will have to work,
22:26 out of it,
22:27 and they will have to work,
22:28 out of it,
22:29 and they will have to work,
22:30 out of it,
22:31 and they will have to work,
22:32 out of it,
22:33 and they will have to work,
22:34 out of it,
22:35 and they will have to work,
22:36 out of it,
22:37 and as I said,
22:38 I think it is possible,
22:39 as far as you are concerned,
22:40 whether it is political or not,
22:41 political,
22:42 I think,
22:43 Imran Khan,
22:44 has an incredible political,
22:45 space available,
22:46 at the moment,
22:47 on the basis of support,
22:48 of Imran Khan,
22:49 Imran Khan's credibility,
22:50 is at that level,
22:51 that whatever decision he makes,
22:52 his voters will accept it,
22:53 that he has definitely,
22:54 decided for the betterment,
22:55 of the country,
22:56 and it will be accepted,
22:57 so Imran Khan,
22:58 has a political leeway,
22:59 I think,
23:00 available,
23:01 but why wouldn't he do it,
23:02 because he has a political,
23:03 leeway,
23:04 available,
23:05 but why wouldn't he do it,
23:06 he is not convinced,
23:07 this is the right way to go,
23:08 what does he say,
23:09 that he wants to talk to the,
23:10 court,
23:11 and the establishment,
23:12 I don't know what he says,
23:13 what did he say earlier,
23:14 this is not a secret,
23:15 he said it publicly,
23:16 and what was the reason,
23:17 he gave,
23:18 he had two reasons,
23:19 one,
23:20 that he is a thief,
23:21 and he doesn't want to sit,
23:22 with them,
23:23 the second thing is,
23:24 that he says,
23:25 that all the power is there,
23:26 I don't agree with that,
23:27 a lot of power,
23:28 is the most powerful,
23:29 but not all the power is there,
23:30 but if you all come together,
23:31 where will the power come from,
23:32 then who will get it,
23:33 I am saying the same thing to you,
23:34 the power shifts,
23:35 to the politicians,
23:36 you saw on 8th February,
23:37 that not all the power is there,
23:38 and if the political system,
23:39 is united on the basic rules,
23:40 of the game,
23:41 then the relationship,
23:42 of the divided players,
23:43 against a monolith institution,
23:44 can change a lot,
23:45 what can the outside,
23:46 PTI leadership do,
23:47 your chairman,
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