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- Shazia Marri PPP
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Constitutional Amendments | Govt aur PTI ki Umeed Maulana Fazal ur Rehman? Maria Memon Analysis
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maryam Aiman from Archi Top Stories, after a short break, Maulana
00:09Fazlur Rehman is back again, he is meeting journalists, he is meeting Pehri ki Insaaf,
00:13Maulana's role is gaining a lot of importance for Ayani Tarameem, after that both the government
00:19and PTI's hopes are with Maulana Fazlur Rehman, whoever meets Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
00:25he feels that he should support him, it is a very interesting art of politics, which
00:29is known to old politicians like Maulana, we will talk about this in the second part of the program.
00:34In the Supreme Court, the burden of cases is discussed and the establishment of the Ayani
00:37Court is mentioned, but why is this Ayani burden of these cases, and how other institutions
00:45support their cases to the Supreme Court, which they themselves have to solve and which
00:49should be their capacity, because of this, in the past two years, we will take a look
00:53at all those Ayani cases, because of which the Supreme Court has been busy.
00:58Let's start, Maulana Fazlur Rehman took a break for about 10 days, after that he is
01:02active again, when did this start, when he met journalists in Islamabad, all the journalists
01:08there, it is obvious that they asked him questions in every regard, tried to read Maulana's
01:15interpretations, the people who came out of there and told their assumptions and their
01:21interpretations when they met Maulana, it was that Maulana Fazlur Rehman is more or
01:26less on board with the government regarding these meetings, so when he met the senior
01:31journalists, what was the big deal about that, when Maulana Fazlur Rehman spoke to the
01:37journalists, he said that he is in favour of the establishment of the Ayani Court, but
01:41the establishment should not be on the basis of benefits, but on the basis of needs, the
01:45senior journalist, who was in that meeting, he was saying that Maulana Fazlur Rehman has
01:51also agreed to increase the age of the judges, for which he also presented the example of
01:56Bangladesh in that meeting, the senior journalists also revealed that Maulana Fazlur Rehman has
02:01also agreed to the government's military court, this was said by Kashif Wasi Sahib on
02:06television as well, apart from this, what are the three suggestions that the government
02:11is agreeing to, according to them, the government is in favour of not increasing the number of
02:16judges, Maulana has convinced the government not to delay anyone's term, Maulana has also
02:23stopped the government from changing the article of basic human rights, apart from this, Maulana
02:28Fazlur Rehman is not in favour of the change of 63A, so the delegation of the journalists
02:34thought that Maulana is more or less on board, there is disagreement on some points, and
02:37they thought that they should vote for the change of the government, then we saw that
02:42there is a meeting of Tehreek-e-Insaaf, and their delegation is met, there is a discussion
02:48of Maulana, there is body language, mood, there is a lot of happiness in that room,
02:53then coming out, what we know is that a committee is being formed, which will work closely on
02:59legal matters, in which there will be people of Tehreek-e-Insaaf and Maulana's Jamaat,
03:05Salman Akram Raja sahab told Barhacker media,
03:35we have formed a committee, which will sit together and look at these matters.
04:06Then we saw that Kamran Murtaza sahab came on television, and he clarified that no joint
04:11work is being done on Musawwida.
04:35We will talk about the issues of Jalsa, Tehreek-e-Insaaf, and other protests, but let's start from this point.
04:47Salman Akram Raja sahab is the Secretary General of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf.
04:51He is with us in the studio.
04:53Thank you very much Raja sahab for joining us.
04:55Your throat is a little sore today, so we will try to answer your questions in brief.
05:01When you meet Maulana sahab, you come out and say that a committee has been formed.
05:05Why has a committee been formed?
05:07Because no joint work is being done on Musawwida.
05:09What will happen in that committee?
05:11Today, I had a meeting with Kamran Murtaza sahab.
05:15We exchanged views.
05:17There could be a Musawwida.
05:19I will make it and give it to him to see.
05:21We will continue our discussion on this.
05:23I have a Musawwida in my mind.
05:25As far as the Constitutional Court is concerned, what justification is given for it?
05:29Sorry, I want to go point by point.
05:31You said that you might make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:33It seems that the PTI has agreed that it will support the government on some constitutional amendments.
05:37If it agrees to your conditions.
05:39Is it right to assume that there will be some constitutional amendments?
05:41We say that this is our fundamental position.
05:43We will make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:45We will make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:47We will make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:49We will make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:51We will make a Musawwida and give it to him.
05:53We say that this assembly does not have the right to constitutional amendments.
05:57We will continue to repeat this position.
06:01But if we have to make some amendments,
06:05if we have to show flexibility from Manana or from someone else,
06:09then what amendments should be made?
06:11We are ready to talk about that too.
06:15This is a principally big position.
06:17You said that the amendments will not be passed because this is a non-constitutional assembly.
06:21Now you have come in between.
06:23You are saying that if the conditions are acceptable,
06:25then you are ready to support this principle.
06:27This is a principal position of the TTI.
06:29We will not support this.
06:31We will not support this.
06:33We want Manana to take these things to the parliament and the committee.
06:37These are things for Manana to see.
06:41If Manana will consider them worthy enough to take them forward,
06:45then we will want them to go forward.
06:47So that whatever has to happen,
06:49so that there is improvement in the constitution.
06:51So that the constitution is not made against a political party or a political leader.
06:57At this time, it is obvious that the constitution in front of us is a killer.
07:01There is nothing other than that.
07:03That is why we want our fundamental position that there is no need for constitutional amendments at this time.
07:09Leave this matter after 4-6 months.
07:11Before that, there are many other matters that have to be decided.
07:15We will see after that.
07:17The constitution has been there since 1977.
07:19You did not put it in the constitutional court.
07:21So there is no need to put it in today.
07:23We can wait for a few months.
07:25So this is our position.
07:27But if this comes up,
07:29Manana said that you should give some recommendations so that we can think about it.
07:33In this regard, we will definitely give some recommendations.
07:35So if your recommendations are accepted,
07:37if they are included in the constitution,
07:39then what is wrong in voting?
07:41Because if you can make your recommendations and put your part in the constitution,
07:45then if you are consulting,
07:47then the vote will also come back.
07:49Look, without our vote,
07:51if there is a constitutional amendment
07:53and it is a good amendment,
07:55then let it be.
07:57But since we do not agree
07:59with this assembly's
08:01request to make a constitutional amendment,
08:03then we may not be included in it.
08:05But there is no harm in giving recommendations
08:07in terms of knowledge and improvement.
08:09What we want is that there should not be an amendment.
08:11This assembly should not make an amendment.
08:13To make a constitutional amendment,
08:15there should be a very trustworthy assembly.
08:17This is the constitution.
08:19But you are playing both ways.
08:21You do not consider the assembly trustworthy,
08:23but if you give recommendations to Maulana,
08:25he should go and present it,
08:27he should pass it.
08:29No, it is not like that.
08:31This is about flexibility.
08:33This is politics.
08:35This is not a trivial matter.
08:37We want that there should not be an amendment.
08:39But if we are told to give some recommendations
08:41so that there can be some softening,
08:43then we will give those recommendations.
08:45It is not that either it is this or that.
08:47This is not the case.
08:49Our principle is that this assembly
08:51does not have any right.
08:53But if Maulana comes to India
08:55and says,
08:57give us some recommendations,
08:59then we will give them.
09:01When you met Maulana,
09:03did you also have the suspicion
09:05that he was on board with the government
09:07on most of the issues?
09:09You must have understood
09:11that he is close to the government.
09:13He is leaning towards the government.
09:15Did you have this impression?
09:17Look,
09:19in this regard,
09:21if there is a legal court,
09:23and the reason for that is
09:25that the other cases,
09:27of madness,
09:29of military nature,
09:31of tax,
09:33they fall victim to confusion
09:35when these legal cases come
09:37and 13 judges sit down
09:39and listen to the case,
09:41then the other cases fall victim to confusion.
09:43If this is the case of a legal court,
09:45and till now,
09:47no other case has come forward,
09:49then there are many other ways.
09:51There are many countries in the world
09:53where there is a permanent
09:55constitutional bench.
09:57You can increase the number of judges
09:59to 24,
10:01and say that
10:03five judges will be
10:05on the permanent bench,
10:07and the remaining judges
10:09will do other work.
10:11In my opinion,
10:13this is a very good solution.
10:15You can also include
10:17five judges on the permanent bench.
10:19It can be more than five,
10:21it can be nine.
10:23One judge from each province
10:25should be taken,
10:27two judges from each province
10:29should be taken,
10:31and it should be a rotation
10:33that is in favor of a legal court.
10:35So, Mr. Maulana,
10:37Noon League, People's Party,
10:39more or less ANP,
10:41all these parties are talking
10:43about a constitutional court.
10:45There is a difference
10:47between a legal court
10:49and a legal bench.
10:51But the purpose of a legal court
10:53is better than a legal bench.
10:55If you make a legal bench,
10:57there is a unity of structure
10:59which is the requirement of our constitution.
11:01You can put different judges
11:03of the Supreme Court on that bench
11:05through rotation.
11:09So, Mr. Maulana is open to this suggestion?
11:11I think if this suggestion
11:13is given to them in a proper way,
11:15as no one has done so far,
11:17then the purpose of a legal court
11:19is only that there should be
11:21a new court in which
11:23a judge of choice should be appointed
11:25and some results should be taken
11:27from those judges of choice.
11:29So, Mr. Maulana,
11:31you should not do this.
11:33You should increase the number of judges
11:35of the Supreme Court
11:37and make five judges
11:39a permanent member
11:41of the legal bench.
11:43Mr. Maulana,
11:45you have shown your flexibility
11:47and now you have to present this.
11:49As I am telling you now,
11:51I will write this and give it to you.
11:53We will also give arguments
11:55for this.
11:57The purpose of a legal court
11:59is only that
12:01a judge of choice should be appointed
12:03and through him,
12:05a reference should be made
12:07against PTI.
12:09PTI should be banned
12:11and Mr. Imran Khan should be taken
12:13to a military court.
12:15If there is an appeal petition against him,
12:17he should go to this bench
12:19and be punished.
12:21There is no other purpose
12:23of a legal court.
12:25Mr. Imran Khan,
12:27I am quoting the journalists
12:29who have spoken about this.
12:31They did not understand.
12:33Yesterday, the Sunset Clause was discussed.
12:35I told them that
12:37under the Sunset Clause,
12:39military courts were established
12:41for three years.
12:43But who was sent to those courts?
12:45It was very clear that
12:47the one who will be accused of terrorism
12:49and there will be some evidence
12:51and what will happen,
12:53he will be sent to a military court
12:55and all your fundamental rights
12:57will be destroyed.
12:59There, a major or a colonel
13:01will decide your life
13:03and death in a 10x10 room.
13:05I don't think so.
13:07So, Mr. Molana did not agree
13:09and this is your impression.
13:11I think he will not agree.
13:13When you talk about generalities,
13:15it is different.
13:17When you talk about particular things,
13:19it changes.
13:21Who is ready to be sent
13:23to a military court?
13:25This is a detailed question.
13:27You can ask the principal.
13:29The principal is present.
13:31The people who went to meet the journalists
13:33said that they got an impression
13:35that Mr. Molana is on board.
13:37What is the timeline?
13:39The technical details
13:41are everything.
13:43Generally speaking,
13:45he is with the military courts
13:47and generally speaking,
13:49this is not the case.
13:51We have to look at the details.
13:53What is the timeline?
13:55If you have to give suggestions,
13:57there will be a committee.
13:59Is Mr. Molana on a timeline?
14:01We will do it in a day.
14:03Mr. Molana has to give it to the government
14:05and the people's party.
14:07What is the process?
14:09There are other allies in this.
14:11There is an alliance
14:13for the preservation of the constitution.
14:15Other parties have also contacted us.
14:17We will talk about
14:19how to preserve the constitution.
14:21The changes that are being made
14:23in Article 199,
14:25the power of the High Court
14:27to issue a writ,
14:29if you read it,
14:31it is an easy mistake.
14:33It is written there,
14:35Cognizance, Decision, Order, Action
14:37of any law enforcement agency
14:39or any person in relation
14:41with national security.
14:43You cannot ask that.
14:45It is such a big issue.
14:47Pakistan is becoming
14:49a country that is more
14:51strict than North Korea.
14:53You will give your suggestions
14:55in 2-3 days.
14:57Is Mr. Molana on a timeline?
14:59No, he is not on a timeline.
15:01He has asked me to give suggestions
15:03so that I can talk on his behalf.
15:05It is more of an intermediate role.
15:07I don't think that
15:09the constitution is finalized.
15:11He is talking about principles.
15:13There are military courts
15:15in some cases.
15:17They have been there in our country.
15:19It can be done.
15:21But we will have to tell
15:23how it can be done.
15:25This is also a possibility
15:27because you can tell us
15:29that the government should not
15:31give a blank cheque
15:33to Mr. Molana.
15:35And he should support him
15:37on some provisions
15:39and not on others.
15:41He should change it
15:43in such a way that
15:45there is no dung in it.
15:47At present, these provisions
15:49are poison.
15:51No one's freedom
15:53will be maintained
15:55in this country
15:57if these provisions are implemented.
15:59I am surprised at the people
16:01who call themselves
16:03Muri.
16:05They have taken the constitution
16:07to Mr. Molana
16:09You are in the opposition.
16:11You are facing your own cases.
16:13Your leader is in jail.
16:15What can you offer
16:17to Mr. Molana for moral support?
16:19You can sit on the moral pedestal.
16:21You can offer a lot to the government.
16:23It is also hardcore politics
16:25with principles.
16:27What is hardcore politics?
16:29Mr. Molana's politics is in its place.
16:31It is based on an ideology.
16:33He has a community.
16:35What is the big deal
16:37Mr. Molana himself
16:41read Surah Al-Imran
16:43in front of us.
16:45I said to him,
16:47if you accept these provisions,
16:49we will all be included
16:51in the destruction of Pakistan
16:53if we accept these provisions.
16:55In response, Mr. Molana
16:57read Surah Al-Imran.
16:59We all read that
17:01Allah gives honor to whoever
17:03Allah gives humiliation to whoever
17:05The first part of the verse
17:07was read by Mr. Molana
17:09with great emphasis.
17:11It is written on the ground
17:13that Allah gives
17:15kingship to whoever
17:17Allah gives humiliation to whoever
17:19Mr. Molana differentiated between
17:21kingship and honor.
17:23It is not necessary
17:25to have honor with kingship.
17:27Yazid had kingship.
17:29Honor was with Hussain.
17:31Mr. Molana talked in great detail.
17:33I will stand with honor.
17:35I will not stand with kingship and
17:37kingship.
17:39Mr. Molana, do you realize
17:41that if the government
17:43does not need the 63A
17:45after this review,
17:47they will vote.
17:49This is speculation.
17:51It is very much a possibility.
17:53What difference does it make?
17:55If the 63A judgment
17:57is reviewed
17:59and our people
18:01vote, then it will happen.
18:03If it happens,
18:05then we will see.
18:07But the principle
18:09Mr. Molana is talking about,
18:11what difference will it make?
18:13If they do not need Mr. Molana
18:15at that time,
18:17it is even better.
18:19Mr. Molana made it clear
18:21that he will not support
18:23any worldly goal.
18:25You do not believe this.
18:27But what he said
18:29was very convincing.
18:31I am convinced.
18:33Two years ago, Mr. Molana
18:35did not have the confidence
18:37that he would not vote
18:39for any worldly principle.
18:41We know that even after the
18:43election was delayed,
18:45Jamiat Ulma Islam played a
18:47very important role.
18:49So, you are very confident.
18:51It is not about confidence.
18:53If I do not have confidence,
18:55then what should I do?
18:57I am very confident
18:59that I had a conversation
19:01with him yesterday.
19:03After that, I think
19:05I am an outsider.
19:07I am confident.
19:09But what is the use
19:11of being afraid all the time?
19:13We have to stand on the principle
19:15and talk to whoever is sitting
19:17in front of us.
19:19We hope that they will
19:21follow the principle.
19:23If someone does not follow,
19:25then we have to talk about
19:27what we wanted to talk about.
19:29When we have to protest
19:31in the court,
19:33the court and the
19:35local community are
19:37directly affected.
19:39Yesterday, we heard
19:41that Mr. Khosa said
19:43that he would give
19:45his life for a free court.
19:47He said that he would
19:49give his life for a free
19:51court.
19:53We are standing with
19:55a free court.
19:57We will save Pakistan.
19:59We will give democracy
20:01to Pakistan.
20:03We are standing with
20:05a free court.
20:07Today, I saw that there was
20:09a protest outside the Supreme
20:11Court.
20:13There were very few people
20:15there.
20:17People were disappointed
20:19that such a large number
20:21of people came to protest.
20:23When he was asked
20:25why there were no people
20:27there, what did he have
20:29to say?
20:31There were very few people
20:33there.
20:35What is the situation
20:37of the protest?
20:39It happened in a hurry.
20:41Yesterday, the matter
20:43reached the Supreme Court.
20:45But it will happen.
20:47Today, we have started
20:49the protest.
20:51How are you engaging?
20:53We saw that you went to Bilawal
20:55in Sindh.
20:57Mr. Tariq is actively
20:59going to all the provinces.
21:01Is there any PTI activity?
21:03Are you mobilizing
21:05Vukla organizations?
21:07We have started this work
21:09and you will see
21:11in the next few days.
21:13Do you think that Vukla
21:15is mobilized and united?
21:17Of course,
21:19the government
21:21gives jobs and
21:23distributes money.
21:25That is not unity.
21:27We should not think
21:29about 2007.
21:31But this matter is
21:33bigger than Vukla.
21:35Why are we not on the streets?
21:37Why are you not on the streets?
21:39We think that Vukla should
21:41do this.
21:43I don't understand
21:45why you are not on the streets.
21:47I am telling you that
21:49my life will be under
21:51a police state.
21:53If someone catches me,
21:55I will not be able to
21:57get justice from the High Court.
21:59The TV media will be
22:01affected.
22:03Everything will happen
22:05in the name of national security.
22:07Why do we look at Vukla?
22:09Vukla will come out.
22:11But this matter is
22:13bigger than Vukla.
22:43People's Party has contacted
22:45Maulana Fazl Rehman
22:47for a meeting.
22:49People's Party has contacted
22:51Maulana Fazl Rehman
22:53for a meeting.
22:55People's Party has contacted
22:57Maulana Fazl Rehman
22:59for a meeting.
23:01People's Party has contacted
23:03Maulana Fazl Rehman
23:05for a meeting.
23:07People's Party has contacted
23:09Maulana Fazl Rehman
23:11for a meeting.
23:41The situation is getting more and more dangerous.
23:45The Pakistan People's Party has been saying this from the beginning.
23:49And you know that the People's Party has always talked about political dialogue.
23:54And we think that political dialogue for anything is very important.
23:57Whether it is for the stability of the country, or for the economy, or for politics.
24:02We think that this is the best way.
24:05And whoever has been stubborn, or has been arrogant, or has been egoistic,
24:15has never benefited from this.
24:17Ultimately, we will all have to sit together and find a solution to this.
24:21Every problem has a solution.
24:23As far as the question of constitutional amendment is concerned,
24:26the Pakistan People's Party has always demanded that there should be a constitutional court in this country.
24:37In 2006, Sharif Mufti Bhutto Sahiba wrote this in the Charter of Democracy,
24:41on which both the parties agreed.
24:43And other parties also endorsed this in the future.
24:46So there is no denying this, Maria.
24:49But it's just that I don't like Maria,
24:53I don't like Maria's proposal, and I don't endorse it.
24:57You can say this for me.
24:59I think the matter is so simple now.
25:02Knowing that this is needed.
25:04Who would deny that the current system of the country is in a broken state.
25:11The people don't get justice.
25:14Centuries pass.
25:16Decades pass.
25:18They knock on the doors of justice.
25:21The savings are looted.
25:23But they don't get justice.
25:25There are hundreds of thousands of cases under investigation.
25:28But they don't get justice.
25:30And no one can deny that the people need justice.
25:35They need attention from the courts of justice.
25:40But they don't get it.
25:42When the PGI is sitting in their meetings and conversations,
25:48I don't think they disagree.
25:51But the point is that we have opposed it.
25:54Now if there is a lot of opposition,
25:57if there is a lot of censorship,
25:59then we will obviously not get justice.
26:01But Shazia, basically no one will disagree with what you are saying.
26:04There is a checkered history of justice in this country.
26:07Should the system of check and balance be made better?
26:09It should be made better.
26:11The problem is that the basic rights of the people are being affected.
26:16Mr. Molana should convince you about this.
26:19Will you meet Mr. Molana Fazl-ur-Rehman today or tomorrow?
26:23And what is the status of your constitution?
26:27Is it almost ready?
26:28Or do you want to make some tweaks?
26:31Maria, our fundamental demand is the establishment of a constitutional court.
26:37And you are absolutely right.
26:39No conscious person can deny that we need to fix things.
26:44As far as the proposed drafts are concerned,
26:50and Mr. Bilawar also said that the wish list is very big,
26:55but what we can do, what our principles can allow,
26:59how much bitter gourd we can drink,
27:02this is a fact that needs to be seen.
27:05Pakistan People's Party has always been clear about fundamental rights.
27:10The constitution of the People's Party was passed in 1973 by Bani Qaid-e-Awam,
27:16the martyred Prime Minister.
27:18It was passed with consensus.
27:21The beauty of it is that it is a unanimous constitution.
27:23It is a matter of protection, it is a matter of fundamental rights.
27:26It is a matter of protection for everyone.
27:28So the People's Party cannot compromise on it.
27:31Even if we are told about the exceptional situation,
27:34we should be able to see how exceptional it is.
27:37We are very clear on this.
27:40Mr. Maulana has also expressed his concern.
27:43Totally, there is no disagreement on this thing.
27:46As far as the government is concerned,
27:48there is a dialogue going on.
27:50Mr. Bilawar, the chairman of our party, is in Islamabad at the moment.
27:54His spokesperson, Mr. Murtaza Wahab, has also been called.
28:00What is the status of the constitution?
28:02Have you been told about it?
28:04Obviously, if the constitution had been completed by now,
28:10we would have definitely shared it.
28:12We have a very popular opinion among all of us,
28:17that as soon as we finish the constitution, we should share it.
28:21And this will happen because Mr. Chairman believes in transparency.
28:25He says, every time, present it loud and clear,
28:28so that there is no misunderstanding.
28:30And he would never want there to be any misunderstanding
28:33in the establishment of the constitutional court,
28:35or the misperception that is being spread should be spread.
28:39Because we are not talking about a specific person,
28:41and we are not allies or enemies of anyone.
28:44What we are saying is,
28:46in the greater interest of the country,
28:48in the greater interest of justice in the country,
28:50we need a just and fair court.
28:54So, is there a probability,
28:56because Tariq-e-Insaaf is giving suggestions to Maulana Fazal Rehman,
29:01is there a probability that the People's Party will also reach out,
29:04because you are making a consensus,
29:06so is it possible that there will be a contact or not?
29:09That ship has sailed.
29:11No, see, we have always said,
29:15since the time when their leader,
29:19Imran Khan Sahib was the Prime Minister,
29:22we used to say, please sit down.
29:24When it came to no confidence,
29:26we used to say, sit down,
29:28let's sit down and talk, let's work together.
29:30When they came to dissolve the assemblies,
29:33we used to say, if you want to have an election,
29:35let's sit together.
29:36The People's Party used to say, let's do it,
29:38we will also dissolve,
29:40our government can have an election in one day.
29:42And there was a lot of progress on this,
29:44until their leader said, no, I don't agree.
29:47So, obviously, their posture,
29:50their posturing has always been a problem,
29:52for even their own party people,
29:54that is what I see.
29:56Now, if they are ready to give suggestions,
29:58then this is a good thing,
30:00they should give, because Chairman Bilawal,
30:02he is constantly saying,
30:04come and give suggestions,
30:06tell us a solution, how to move forward,
30:08what is proposed,
30:10from anywhere, the government is giving,
30:12the People's Party is giving, there is a proposal,
30:14what is your input in that proposal,
30:16tell us that.
30:18So, rejecting this,
30:20and saying, we don't want to do this,
30:22because this person is doing this,
30:24I think,
30:26even kids don't do such things.
30:28Thank you very much,
30:30Shazia Maree sahib,
30:32we had discussed the position of the PPP,
30:34we will go on a break, when we come back,
30:36so, Bilawal sahib said,
30:3890% of the time,
30:40the courts go through hearing of legal cases,
30:42let's take a look at history,
30:44let's take the last two years,
30:46when the legal cases went to the courts,
30:48and why did they go, stay with us after the break.
30:52Welcome back,
30:54Bilawal Putto Zardari sahib said this week,
30:56how only 15% of the political cases,
30:58take the time of 90% of the Supreme Court,
31:00because of which,
31:02it is necessary to make legal courts.
31:04There are petitions in the Supreme Court,
31:06the cases which are pending,
31:08only 15% of the cases,
31:10will be of the constitutional nature,
31:12or the political nature,
31:14and the rest of the cases,
31:16are the cases of the people,
31:18are the cases of the common man,
31:20are the cases of murder,
31:22are the cases of robbery,
31:24are the cases of corruption,
31:26are the cases of fraud,
31:28those 15% political cases,
31:30are taken 90% of the time.
31:32Now, if we want,
31:34the institutions which were made,
31:36to give justice to the people,
31:38let them do that work.
31:40Let's quickly tell you,
31:42how these institutions were made,
31:44why they were made,
31:46and why these issues,
31:48which could have been solved in the Parliament,
31:50were not solved,
31:52and the cases were repeatedly thrown in the courts.
31:54In March 2002,
31:56the ruling of the former Deputy Speaker,
31:58Qasim Nusri sahib,
32:00we saw that,
32:02by conspiring against him,
32:04voting was not allowed,
32:06after which,
32:08this case went to the Supreme Court.
32:10In February 2003,
32:12the case of Punjab and KP Elections,
32:14this case went to the Supreme Court,
32:16and we saw that,
32:18this important case of the Supreme Court,
32:20took up a lot of time.
32:22Again, this was an issue,
32:24which could have been solved,
32:26by the politicians,
32:28sitting with the institutions.
32:30If the Election Commission of Pakistan,
32:32had played its role,
32:34this case would not have gone to the Supreme Court.
32:36But anyway,
32:38this case also went to the Supreme Court.
32:40The case of Naib Tarameem,
32:42we saw that in May 2022,
32:44the government,
32:46took up a lot of cases,
32:48and this case also went to the Supreme Court.
32:50The case of Practice and Procedure Act,
32:52was passed by the Parliament,
32:54and this case also went to the Supreme Court.
32:56The case of Maqsoos Nusristo,
32:58since the election,
33:00this case has not been able to be settled.
33:02The Election Commission demands clarification,
33:04the Supreme Court demands clarification,
33:06there are a lot of cases,
33:08which could have been solved,
33:10sitting with the institutions.
33:12But again and again,
33:14these cases go to the Supreme Court.
33:16So when the politicians,
33:18due to their incapacity,
33:20and their lack of capacity,
33:22are not able to take a decision,
33:24for the issues,
33:26taken up by the Parliament,
33:28then the case will go to the Supreme Court.
33:30And then this 90% time,
33:32in these 15% cases,
33:34if the institutions,
33:36play their role at the right time.
33:38The program is over,
33:40don't forget to give your feedback.
33:42Khuda Hafiz.