Habló Javier Alonso, ministro de Seguridad de PBA. Los equipos de rescate trabajan incansablemente en varios sectores afectados por un derrumbe, a pesar de las dificultades que presentan los gases y escombros. Los perros rastreadores desempeñan un papel crucial en la búsqueda tanto de sobrevivientes como, lamentablemente, de cadáveres.
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00:00Minister, thank you very much for attending us, we listen to you attentively, how are you, good afternoon, Facundo Pastor greets you.
00:08Good morning, Facundo.
00:10Well, thank you for attending us. I am left with the idea that you have not heard signs of life, that make us hopeful,
00:20in the face of thinking that some of those who are still missing may be alive.
00:26Yes, but that is not exclusive. Let's think, as we said, that there are almost 60 hours and more than 60 hours,
00:34a person who may be in pain, who is obviously not drinking, who is not hydrating, who is not eating,
00:42will be weak, so it may be that we have people alive who cannot emit a signal.
00:49Now you spoke of a tunnel that they managed to build to identify Rosa's body, right?
00:58Yes, and recover Rosa's body. The family identified it through a tattoo on the right arm,
01:05and she is already in the morgue undergoing an autopsy, or is on the trip to the morgue.
01:11And you pointed out that Nahuel and Dana would be in the vicinity of where Rosa appeared.
01:18The testimonies that we collected from relatives and neighbors through the chats,
01:24what they were doing at that time, tell us that they were accompanying Rosa at that time.
01:30Minister, good morning, Javier Diaz.
01:32So they don't have to be very far. Javier, good morning.
01:36What about the construction director, the architect, were they located? Is there any information about them, or are they missing?
01:47Yes, no, no, no. No arrest warrant was issued against them.
01:53Fundamentally because they are identified from the first moment,
01:57because their responsibility is already accredited because they appear as directors in forms presented to the municipality.
02:05So there is already a responsibility that is in some way established, at least to be investigated.
02:12We are not saying that nothing is corroborated, but at this processual moment,
02:17you understand very well what I am saying, there is a responsibility that is accredited.
02:24We are working with different people, because of the informality that characterizes the construction,
02:32where perhaps there is not a written contract between the architect and the owner with the construction workers.
02:38Or directives that are not written anywhere.
02:40Obviously there is an identity of the one who does a task.
02:43So we are relegating many people from Gessel or from the surroundings,
02:49who were not necessarily living in this building, but who were carrying out tasks two or three months ago.
02:57Because the tasks were immediate at the time of the demolition.
03:02There were works that were done that resented the structure and that led to the collapse.
03:07That was the next question.
03:09Works that were done that obviously weakened or harmed the structure.
03:14This is the hypothesis.
03:15Okay, but I say ...
03:16This is the hypothesis.
03:17You have known ...
03:18So far ...
03:19According to the story.
03:20So far we do not have ...
03:21Javier.
03:22Wait, wait, wait.
03:23What we know, which you also know, is that among other things they were making windows,
03:29that is, opening walls to make windows in places where there were no windows.
03:36This is so, right?
03:38This is so, we know that.
03:41We know that works were done in the lowest area of the building.
03:46We also know that.
03:47It is a fact that I also contribute to you.
03:50But you know that beyond the testimonies there must be evidence that corroborates the testimonies.
03:57And those evidences will come with a technical report,
04:01which will be done when the rubble is emptied,
04:06because you have to get to the foundations, you have to get to the ground,
04:10you have to get to the columns, to the slabs,
04:12see if there is a slab that is cut, if there is a column that is damaged.
04:16We'll see that when we get there.
04:18Here the brick is going to speak.
04:19Exactly.
04:20Think that there are two subsoils,
04:22and that the building was falling,
04:25and that it is very flattened, let's say, in the part of the subsoil.
04:29It was compressed.
04:30The way it has fallen also denotes that it is from the bottom up.
04:33Exactly.
04:34That the problem was down.
04:36It was like an implosion.
04:37You see, when the buildings are imploded,
04:39dynamite charges are placed on the columns,
04:42and they make the building explode inward and fall on itself.
04:47It fell in the same way,
04:48with which the comments of some engineers that I consulted,
04:52without being experts,
04:53tell me that there is something of the structure below as a hypothesis.
04:59That has to be corroborated with evidence,
05:01which is going to be the expertise carried out by the professionals that the prosecutor ordered.
05:07But until she has that technical report,
05:09she has no evidence to involve the people who are identified.
05:14Do you understand?
05:15Of course.
05:16Minister, I write down that appearance of the retiree,
05:21the first found dead,
05:23the appearance of Rosa,
05:25the search for Nahuel and Dana.
05:28What else is there?
05:29How many more people are looking for, Minister?
05:31We have six people missing.
05:36The four workers would be,
05:39which was what we just explained with the images,
05:41in the back of the building.
05:44We are working with police experts in image analysis,
05:48because we have videos that show the window of the apartment where they slept,
05:54and there are images of them lying down.
05:57So that will allow us to locate where exactly the apartment would be,
06:03if the building was standing,
06:04and that will guide the search experts also where to locate us.
06:09In that area, the dogs have already marked an area where we have to work,
06:14and a tunnel is also being built there.
06:18But we have not yet arrived with something precise.
06:21Listen to me, Minister.
06:23Which floors were they all sleeping on?
06:26There were the plumbers, the carpenter, Rosa, the nephew, and the bride.
06:31Look, if you look at the building that was standing,
06:36I don't know if the camera can capture it,
06:38you will see a wooden staircase.
06:41That would be the floor of Rosa's apartment.
06:45The semicircular part was a terrace of Rosa,
06:49and the apartment started there and went back.
06:52And the workers would be at that same height,
06:56but in the back of the building, in the back of the land.
07:00So they were all on the same floor?
07:02At the height of the street now.
07:04Sure.
07:05But that floor, Javi...
07:06That would be the third floor.
07:07That third floor is at the height of the street.
07:09Yes, or below.
07:10So that would be like in the first basement today,
07:13with a lot of rubble above, right?
07:14Sure.
07:16The whole building fell on them, literally.
07:20Literally, yes.
07:22Literally.
07:23Minister, there was a lot of talk about a repair...
07:27The last one, I have to release it.
07:28The last one, Minister, the last one.
07:30A repair in an elevator.
07:31I want to go back to this point.
07:34I know you just explained...
07:36Well, we have comments about that.
07:38We have to see to what extent that work damaged the foundations.
07:44But that's why I say, that's the technical report that the prosecutor needs
07:48to be able to move forward in procedural instances.
07:51Good, good.
07:52Minister, we release it, thanking you for the good predisposition.
07:54Thank you very much.
07:56Now, I'm going to go over some very important data
07:59about what just happened here...