El colapso del Apart Hotel Dubrovnik de 10 pisos, dejó un panorama desolador y pocas esperanzas de encontrar sobrevivientes. Por el hecho permanecen detenidos cinco personas, el capataz y los albañiles. Se cuestiona la ausencia del dueño del edificio en el lugar del siniestro.
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00:00a 10-story building standing and how now it is reduced practically to these rubble that are going to fall now on those who are among the rubble one is amazed to see hair dryers
00:11see some belongings destroyed yes imagine that there has not been a hair dryer
00:18we just saw small things among the rubble that caught our attention and I just told Nico Chazarreta, the cameraman, look what that is
00:28well, that's what happened in Dubrovnik, that's how part of the pieces have been left, that's why the hopes of life are very few
00:37when we approached we were almost at the door of the building where they are now throwing part of what is one of the wiring that has that container
00:48and that's why I wanted to show it, notice that it is more concrete, well, it is one of the last slabs to reach the first subsoil that they are unloading now
00:57I want to ask you the following, because you have been there for many hours as a guard, about the presence or not, if you could see, of some of the owners
01:07and if you know well what it is about, because even if it seems like a lie, then the rubble has to be peritored, right?
01:14Yes, all this is going to be peritored, the owners did not even appear in this place, yesterday in Madariaga one of the responsible architects stopped
01:27and I estimate that he is going to be arrested and the two firm architects will be arrested, the problem is these frames of these windows that you are seeing here
01:36These windows that are going to be peritored, that's why we wanted to get there because we knew they were taking this part of the building
01:44because this is the denounced part, this is the part that could not be done and these rubble is going to be highly peritored
01:52look, without going any further, when I was with Diego Traffé in the first days, an image was obtained of how with wood they wanted to have a life that had 10 floors above
02:01Well, there are things that cannot be done, there are things that physics does not allow, well, it was obvious that you have to have a little more respect for the construction
02:09Now, those who have to give an answer, as you just said, there is still time, the authorities and others said it yesterday
02:17Look, now we are focused on taking out the bodies and see if a miracle happens, we are waiting for a miracle
02:24But all this has to be peritored, the way it was worked, now they are in the bathroom part of one of the last rooms
02:32and the part that I was telling you, already starting the first basement by the staircase
02:36Another container is going to arrive here so that you understand the speed at which it is being worked to be able to get as low as possible
02:42Look, there it is going to empty and you are going to see that there are some heavier irons because they are already parts of irons with respect to the construction of the staircase
02:51That is why now you will also see in this container that is arriving, this is recently removed from Dubrovnik
02:59We are already meters away and it is one of the bathrooms of the second and first floor already, look, there you can see the bathtub, do you see it?
03:08That is about to fall, there it is going to fall, the bathtub and everything starts to fall, all the material above
03:15Look at the ground, why did we want to show this? Because the people, many were left among those rubble, imagine this to breathe
03:27If you were lucky enough to be in a lung of life and not catch a column and others in that place, you had to deal with all this dust
03:39But it also allowed the dogs not to be able to locate people so quickly because the truth is that there are parts that were literally made of dust
03:51It was a fall explosion because there was no explosion, two parts were demolished and there I let you see
03:59The expansive wave of the first part flew to those who were left alive from the door of Dubrovnik to the middle of the street, expelled them, fired them
04:07And then they ended up running when police and firefighters came, that is, the situation was shaking
04:15And now when they unload this, open the floor, imagine when the building fell, we just talked about that with the cameraman
04:21What the people here must have felt
04:25Ale, it would be imminent to reach Dana at this time?
04:33A few meters, what I understand is that it is a few meters, so you have to be attentive to any message
04:41We are also close to the minister or Fabián García, who is also in charge of the security of the province of Buenos Aires
04:51He is in charge of all the tasks that are being done to inform how many we are and how many of the workers are also there
04:59The families are rounding, the families are with uncertainty, they are well informed, they are being very, very, very cared for by psychologists and staff
05:09But the situation is critical, when it is going to enter now, what Nico Chacarreta is going to show is a delegation of firefighters who have just brought the tools
05:17Look, there is an entrance with a different machinery to finish cutting beams and to be able to tie those beams, to be able to strengthen those slings
05:27And to take out in a hurry practically entire floors, practically entire slabs are taken out and there we can see live how this delegation enters
05:38They enter to risk their lives too, they enter to get into debris that could be in a new collapse
05:45Ale, yesterday we were live when you gave the sad news about Nahuel, the last deceased boy, who would be Dana's boyfriend, is this so?
06:00Yes, they believe, for everything that has been transcended, that it is Dana's partner
06:04We have little information about the families because they are very contained and far from the press
06:08I was going to ask you that
06:09Yes, practically we have not been able to talk with family for very little, and also one out of respect, and that must be said
06:19I have had the chance to be close and see the family badly and I have not put the camera because I considered that, well, journalism is frozen when you see a situation like this
06:29And when they were in conditions where one could see them talking content, well, the psychologists approached and did not allow us to do the interview
06:36Because they said that after the note comes the crisis, but well, nothing, then we also understood and gave distance
06:44The truth is that they are being monitored and also advised minute by minute of what is happening with the works
06:50When they take another giant container of debris that they are going to deposit here, so that later with the tow truck to load them in a truck and take them to the municipal corral
07:01Where they are being delimited and where they are going to be licensed
07:04Ale, you are from the beginning of the week, from the beginning of the fact with what is happening
07:10They have not stopped, right? Because we are at this time on a Sunday and we see them working, it has not stopped at any time
07:1924 uninterrupted hours since they have arrived here to work
07:24They work like this, with shifts of approximately 300 people who are rotating every 4 or 8 hours depending on the extent of the work
07:35Some every two, depending on the task, yes, I know that there are some firefighters of the DOAR who are constantly, but they have to rotate every two hours
07:43Because their work is also terrible, well, they are rotating at different times, but there are 300 people constantly practically removing debris and organizing
07:56And well, each one fulfills his role within this, the organization so far has been very good
08:01Except yesterday that some characters appeared who did not understand what was happening, which complicated a little both our work and all the people who were here
08:11How is that Ale?
08:12The truth must be highlighted, no, it is already aside to say some people who see that they did not find out how they were working
08:20And they came to cause some problems, those people are obviously no longer involved here causing problems
08:28They were located correspondingly by the authorities, but nothing, it is seen that they did not know how we were working or how no one worked
08:37And there was the only, you have to say it, and I'm going to put it on camera, the only time we noticed a break in communication of orders was when this person appeared
08:48Then you have to say it, and the other days I said, I do not usually, they usually tell me, hey, they are working badly, I usually be more critical because one sees the bad things
08:58Well, now the truth, sincerely, the Ministry of Security of the Province of Buenos Aires has worked very well
09:03Except for some members of those ministries who arrived yesterday, who have hindered the work of yesterday, both for the media and for the people who were here
09:12Then the organization is, I would say, almost perfect, and the coordination, not only also of the municipal staff, but of all the firefighters who have come from the Argentine Republic to work
09:22With a level of coordination that has caught the attention, because here where there is no coordination, there is an accident, okay?
09:29And until now there was no accident, there was no miscoordination, so it must be said that the main professionals and heroes of the Argentine Republic are working here to try to get the victims out of the rubble
09:42In addition, we are seeing the work with respect, from a place, informing, respecting the positions in which both you and Diego can be
09:52I remember that at some point you told us, as only happened at the beginning of this type of tragedies, that silence was asked, collaborating also you with that silence to be able to hear between the rubble if there was any victim asking for help
10:06I think it seems to me that they handled that way
10:09They needed no vibrations, yes, yes, they needed no vibrations, the engines were also turned off, everything was turned off
10:17We could talk, or if we wanted, most of us decided to whisper, but if we wanted we could talk, but we could not generate vibrations
10:27Because the sonar they put on was like a stethoscope and it came practically to be able to feel a strong heartbeat
10:37But hey, look, I'm going to send Erica, I don't know if you have it there, how they were looking for Sonia, the firefighters, and how the truth is that it is very strong
10:51How they were rescuing Sonia's body, and they will have, for when they want to use it, the scream of the rescuer
11:01The images of the dumps, how they are taking out parts of what that hotel was, Ale just marked, there are hair dryers, of course, it was a hotel, although at this time they were not in activity, they were just doing these remodeling
11:18But there are objects of each room, each room that ended up compressed, destroyed, that's why I also marked it
11:28They were rooms that little by little were being destroyed, there is a part of a bathtub that can also be seen
11:36Yes, yes, the part of the shower
11:39The truth is that it is shocking to see this, because when one sees lost debris, beyond the fact that it always impacts you that a ten-story building falls in this way
11:49When you see these things, you understand what happened and the gravity of what happened
11:54As Feres says, when you see these images that Ale and Nico Chazarrita are giving us from Villa Gesell, it is that they are attentive to hopes and expectations
12:03Yes
12:04Because we, from the background, for example, in earthquakes that have left hundreds of victims, as in Turkey, for example, and that they have found victims after a week, practically, of being under debris
12:20Obviously, hope and expectation are always latent, with the denoted work that we are observing from the firemen who are working among the rubble
12:30But when you see these images of such a level of destruction, it is as if you breathe deep and try to find hopes and expectations from where there are none
12:43One of the issues that Ale was dealing with, as soon as we started today with this mobile, was that of the detentions
12:51Ale, you, of course, focused on the lives, on what can happen under the rubble, but you told us and talked about an architect
12:59You also talked about a firm architect, because at some point there was, I don't know if confusion or there was information that was spoken
13:06No, they are looking for the architect, of course, but after he declared one of the workers who was in the work working
13:12And he talks about an architect who ends up being arrested, so Ale
13:18Yes, an architect who was the one who gave the orders and who told them, let's not stop until we have orders from above
13:24Well, everyone is going to have to give explanations, now you have to be specific about something and you have to see how justice handles it
13:32But the owner, to whom everyone has to stop to align, to check the buildings and others, is going to have to be flogged and see what they find on their cell phones
13:40Because the owner can say, look, I hired this company, I have nothing to do with it, what am I going to know?
13:46If I don't know anything about construction, the owner can tell you, I hired a company to do it, what am I going to do?
13:51I am also a victim in this, they swindled me, eye, eye, eye, that the defense, so that they do not get angry later in the houses
13:59The defense of the owner can be quite simple, I was talking to some professionals and they told me, look, if they do not find in the cell phones
14:08Or compromising talks, that the architect tells him, look, we have to stop, boss, it is urgent
14:15And the man says, look, I pay you more, but you continue, well, there is an accomplice
14:19And the architect is an accomplice, necessary participant, the role that he fulfills, but if they are going to have a responsibility
14:24Now we have to see how far it goes and how the owner can defend himself
14:30That is why they are now advocating, I say it again, although the justice goes in parallel
14:35Yesterday there were people from the EDI reviewing some particular things
14:41This camera was installed, which you will now see here on the post also
14:45Because it is specialized so that everything is filmic, several cameras like these were installed in the last hours
14:51Although all this is being analyzed, well, until all the bodies are removed
14:56I estimate that we will not have the precise information of everything that is happening legally
15:02Yes, the investigation is advanced, but attention to where it can be reached
15:08Let's see, the statement that the firm took out, in fact not only Cortés, but the six people in the board
15:18At least it was the conical one, they did not put a name and surname
15:23And I understand that something of what you were saying can be unleashed, linked to what they were talking about
15:33Both he and the contractors, one of them is arrested, in some tablets and folders that could be rescued
15:43In the raids that took place yesterday, with which I would wait
15:47Because let's remember that those who are arrested at this time, there are five, there are six
15:54In fact, an architect joined, they are accused of the crime of guilty lock, that is, they speak of imperialism
16:05I don't know, I would wait before thinking that you can get to Safa with such a laconic defense
16:16Look, with many professionals, and what I said is that it is defendable, it is very defendable
16:24When they tell you it is very defendable, well, it is very defendable
16:28We already know it, the lawyer's code, right?
16:30Yes, yes, yes
16:31When they tell you, look, this is very defendable
16:33Totally
16:34Yes, and another one told me, I'm not going to say who, and if we get some good pesos, very defendable
16:38Well, we already know what this situation is like
16:41Well, but we know it, why is it going to good pesos?
16:44Because if they look for experts on the side, if they hire what they have to hire on the side
16:50Well, it's going to be difficult, it's going to be difficult, okay?
16:53Now, for me they are all responsible, yes, without a doubt
16:56Ale, another thing, you are there
16:59You have to see what justice says at the time
17:01You are there, as always, in all the most important information
17:07I say, there are the media, why aren't they there?
17:10If those who fear nothing have nothing to hide, to hide
17:15Why aren't they there? Why isn't the owner there?
17:18The owner of the hotel, the architect
17:20No, no, no, because the owner, let's be aware of this, Gaby
17:25The owner at this time, for the purchasing power, let's put it, I don't want to be hard
17:31But I want to make a parallelism with any of us
17:35Yes
17:36For the purchasing power that the owner of this has
17:39It's like he broke the light table of an apartment that he has to rent
17:45I understand you, Ale, but it's an absolute tragedy
17:48But the economic loss, it's fine, it's fine
17:51But, it's fine, but what are you going to do here seeing how a piece of that capital is broken?
17:58No, I agree with you perfectly and I understand
18:01But there are five or six people who were in the office that Marco Lautaro just marked
18:08Yesterday you said the names, then you remembered
18:10Go ahead, I have them here
18:11But, why aren't they in Villa Gesell? Why aren't they talking to the family of the victims?
18:18I mean, I think there's an adhesive
18:20And they're going to fuck him
18:21And yes
18:22And well, and yes
18:23Yes, they're going to fuck him
18:24And if necessary
18:25And why?
18:26That is discussed with lawyers, of course
18:28This is my feeling, you see?
18:30Yes
18:31It's a human feeling that gives me this kind of situation
18:36Why don't they put their faces up if they supposedly have nothing to do with it?
18:40Guys, if anything happens to any of us, we're crying here together with everyone
18:44Of course, exactly
18:45These people, the high-ranking businessmen, they think differently
18:49Yes
18:50Now, obviously
18:51We have to think more about how to defend ourselves, how to defend ourselves from getting angry about this
18:56To think if there is a body under a rubble or not
18:58Of course
18:59It's horrible
19:00Obviously, Ale, the prosecutor Veronica Zamboni, has information
19:05She's working very well
19:06She has information that is not being disclosed
19:09Because the arrest of Jorge Bonavita, this architect
19:13Yes
19:14Dolorense, who was a volunteer firefighter at some point
19:19Who didn't sign the documents or the projects that had to do with the constructions
19:27That were being carried out in Dubrovnik
19:30However, he is under arrest
19:32Obviously, there is a connection between this man and those who reported primarily
19:39The acts in each of the constructions that were being carried out in Dubrovnik
19:45Bonavita is under arrest
19:47And the architects who signed the construction projects are not under arrest, right?
19:55The only luck in all misfortunes are the two people who are alive, Gaby
19:59Of course, they are the ones who are declaring
20:01Without them, today, and of course, they are the ones who are saying
20:06First, they are destroyed
20:08Second, they said something fundamental
20:11When we heard the noise, we thought the building was going to fall
20:14That's why we ran
20:15Well, the prosecutor said, well, but why did you unconsciously think
20:19Did you think it could fall?
20:21Well, the statement continues
20:23That is, when later the architect calls him to go and find him
20:27And they leave him arrested
20:28Bonavita, well, then there was the drawback
20:32There is no doubt
20:33If not Dubrovnik, today it was standing
20:36That is the reality and it was not made rubble as it is here in the city
20:39Ale, Ale, there is a video that you sent us
20:42And that we are going to see and listen
20:44I think it is also important to be able to listen to this video
20:47And now you tell us everything that has to do with this content generated there
20:52Let's see it
21:23Ale, we did here on the floor the same silence
21:27That surely you did there in the place
21:30You told us that what you asked for is that there are no vibrations
21:34For when the sonar is used, right?
21:36But in this case, this search was also done in this way
21:40Generating contact or trying to generate contact
21:43Yes, that's how it was
21:46Between the beams and as you can see, how they are put
21:49The rescuers, who are one of the most trained in the Argentine Republic
21:52Worldwide recognized
21:54They are among the beams
21:56Still in danger of another collapse
21:59Risking their lives, they got into the different holes
22:02And they were looking for Sonia Stefanik
22:05That way they were still looking for people with lives
22:08That way, after that, the probe entered
22:12After the probe came the dog
22:14And after that, depending on the results, it was for the dog
22:17Enlarging the tunnels
22:19Because what you see there
22:21At that time, large pieces of rubble were not removed
22:24Like now, but they got into tunnels
22:27Tunnels that you have to say
22:29A person enters and not
22:31So that people understand
22:33So skinny like Lautaro, like Villamor
22:35Or like Prospero, like Boffer
22:37People of a reduced size entered
22:40And they were choosing the firefighter
22:42For a physical matter
22:44To be able to enter
22:46In those small tunnels
22:48To see if they could grab the hand
22:50Or see someone
22:52Or get someone
22:54Well, that way, as it is in this video
22:56That causes you goosebumps
22:58So they were working
23:00Inside the rubble
23:02Not now, now everything is being taken out
23:04To see how far we can get
23:06That was a tunnel job
23:08Well, the situation has changed
23:10Since it has been 70 years
23:12There are no signs of life
23:14Ale, those tunnels were generated
23:16Correct us if it's not like that
23:18They were generated from large rubble
23:20That had remained
23:22And that in a certain way
23:24Armed a structure
23:26The rubble we are seeing now
23:28They are already of another size
23:30And they did not allow to generate that space
23:32So that these workers
23:34Who told us could get in
23:36And now they are taking everything out
23:38And there are many rubble
23:40Some large, others smaller
23:42And we saw parts
23:44That is what most impacted us here on the floor
23:46We saw parts of showers
23:48Dryers, parts of inodorants
23:50Parts of all those rooms
23:52That were in those 10 pesos of Dubrovnik
23:56Yes, at that time
23:58The finite rubble was taken out
24:00That I showed you with buckets
24:02Very meticulously
24:04They were pointed in the shape of a triangle with woods
24:06And it reached between the slabs
24:08Because to get between the slabs
24:10That is the video we see
24:12They had to remove a lot of finite rubble
24:14And a lot of bricks
24:16To be able to enter those slabs
24:18Well, all that tunnel work
24:20The truth was shocking to see
24:22I've never seen anything like it in my life
24:24I've never seen anything like it
24:26And see in truth
24:28How the firemen were
24:30Between the slab
24:32And the floor
24:34Almost without place
24:36Assuming that any false movement
24:38They could lose their lives
24:40We are in direct contact, Ale
24:42You let us know when there is news from there
24:44I know you are going to have important testimonies
24:46Of how the search is
24:48Of how the search was in the beginning
24:50And we are going to talk about the responsible
24:52Because there is a lot of information
24:54That has to do with the responsible
24:56With the inquiries that are going to be done
24:58With the information that can be seen
25:00In the cell phones
25:02Both from the architect
25:04From the signatory
25:06From the owners of the place
25:08All this information in a little while
25:10Do you think?
25:12Yes, I already spoke with production
25:14Unfortunately I have to say
25:16Be attentive because from one moment to another
25:18We can ask for air
25:20And give different types of news
25:22That are not going to be very pleasant
25:24Open camera, Ale
25:26Open camera for when we hope
25:28That this does not happen
25:30But that you do have encouraging information
25:32We continue here with your program
25:34And with your team working on different issues
25:36Thank you, Ale