Hablo Javier Alonso, ministro de Seguridad de la Provincia de Buenos Aires. Las autoridades están desplegando todos los recursos disponibles para localizar a seis personas desaparecidas tras el colapso de un edificio. La operación se enfrenta a dificultades técnicas debido a la profundidad y la extensión del escombro. La prioridad actual es encontrar a las personas desaparecidas antes de comenzar con la remoción completa de los escombros.
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00:00The objective is to find the six missing people.
00:04That is our priority and we are putting all the resources we have
00:09to find those six people as soon as possible.
00:12Once we find those six people,
00:14there will be another task that will have to do with removing all the rubble
00:18and there we could work in another way.
00:21But until we find the people, the priority is to find the people.
00:25It is a very extensive feather and they are not reaching it.
00:28How is it that they are...
00:30The idea was to reach the deepest part of the ground.
00:33No, no.
00:34What is the cut they have had?
00:37The feather, as the arm extends from the center of gravity of the crane,
00:41that is, as the arm extends from the crane,
00:44it loses the ability to lift weight.
00:47Do you understand?
00:48Yes.
00:49We have like 40 meters more than reaching the bottom.
00:52So, with this crane, we will not reach the bottom.
00:55We are expanding the capacity of the crane,
00:58but we can go as low as we can.
01:01So, we are already close to the second subsurface.
01:04I mean, imagine that from the level we are on,
01:08from the floor, it is like a subsurface.
01:10Then I had that subsurface in a car,
01:13there was another car at the level of the floor,
01:15there were two more floors,
01:18and then the tower started,
01:20that is, the 10-story tower started on what would be the third floor.
01:25The feather they bring will arrive.
01:27The floor of Rosa was the lower floor of the hotel,
01:31of the tower, it was the lower floor of the tower,
01:34that is, from there they went up 10 floors.
01:37Minister, we are not seeing the passage of the dogs,
01:40which were continuous,
01:41nor the silent work that was done so much in the first 48 hours.
01:46Why?
01:48Because the dogs are passing by,
01:51we are working with some dogs that are trained in another way,
01:56and the dog can work next to the firefighter,
02:00that is one part.
02:02Then, the training is what makes it different.
02:06It is also for ventilation?
02:07Of course, yes, yes, yes, they smell, the dog smells.
02:11The difference is that the dogs always mark us in the same place,
02:14but we have to remove layers of concrete,
02:16so we have to cut, lift, cut, lift,
02:20and there were four slabs that we had to remove.
02:22That is not done,
02:23that is why I show you the productivity of the firefighters' work,
02:28so that you can see that it has advanced a lot,
02:30that we are getting closer and closer,
02:32but it is difficult for us to reach that time.
02:34Did the sound provide signs of life, Minister?
02:37You were talking about silence.
02:39Silence has to do with when the dogs found,
02:43the dogs that look for living people,
02:45they gave a signal,
02:46and then a whole work of probes is done there.
02:48We do all the technical work,
02:50and we were not finding signs of that,
02:53so that's why that dynamic changed.
02:57But all the concentration is put on removing concrete,
03:01taking care that the collapsed structure is not hit and collapsed.
03:06Minister, did you receive signals from other cell phones?
03:09No, no.
03:10In addition, the cell phones must have stayed.
03:12You have to see the battery,
03:15and then the concrete is also a barrier for the signal to arrive.
03:19There was a sweeping of different issues,
03:22but no, I don't say that.
03:27Everything is seized,
03:29everything that is found goes to justice,
03:31many things were found,
03:32all that is registered and sent to the prosecutor's office.
03:36No, it's the same as I already told you,
03:38the prosecutor is identifying all the people,
03:42and according to the level of responsibility,
03:45she will decide one measure or another.
03:48Ready?
03:49Thank you very much.
03:50Well, let's see.
03:51Facu, we heard the minister.
03:53Let's see what this left.
03:54Short, and there I leave you, Facu,
03:56and that there are no signs,
03:58there are no signs of life, nor of sound,
04:00nor of dog, right?
04:01The minister just said it recently,
04:04to my question,
04:05if there were signs,
04:06he said that neither the dogs nor the sound had given signs of life.
04:09Of course, of course.
04:10There are no signs, right?
04:11There are signs.
04:13There are no signs, there are no signs.
04:15Remember what we were talking about yesterday,
04:17when we saw him,
04:18when we saw him talk,
04:19the minister, remember?
04:20Alejandro interviewed him yesterday too,
04:23and the way of speaking too,
04:25he gave us the idea,
04:26remember that we said it, Facu,
04:28that there was no hope.
04:31Look, Facu, and of course, Javi.
04:33Very complicated.
04:35New images,
04:36new images of where work is being done.
04:39Do you remember that yesterday we saw the map and others?
04:42Well, now it is focused.
04:44What the minister just explained is this.
04:47Do you see that there is a hole there?
04:49Do you see where work is being done?
04:50Yes.
04:51Well, we are stuck in the basement.
04:53Do you see that there is another hole here?
04:54Yes.
04:55Well, stuck inside the basement.
04:56This is the collapsed tower.
04:57Well, the holes are evident
04:59and they are the places that are already arriving
05:01to enter the basements.
05:02Look how everything was cleaned here,
05:05compared to what was the previous image.
05:08Look at this,
05:10and look how it got to this.
05:13Okay, look how the dates are,
05:15look how everything is put together.
05:17The 30th of the 10th was like this,
05:19look how this is,
05:20and look how it is now.
05:22In other words, there is a thorough cleaning,
05:24a great cleaning,
05:25and there are holes where the sonar is inserted,
05:28where the dog works,
05:30where it is about arriving.
05:32Well, the minister just said it.
05:35Alejandro.
05:36The reality is that so far there are no signals.
05:39In this last photo,
05:41you did it yesterday,
05:42tell us how many floors are there,
05:44let's say, that can be seen there.
05:47Ah, very good, look.
05:48It is very good what Javi asks,
05:50because if I see it like this,
05:51notice that it is sunk in the basement, Javi.
05:53We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,
05:59and all the top part.
06:0111, 12 are these two.
06:03Look, here starts the first one,
06:04already inside the basement, you see?
06:06There it is, yes.
06:081, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,
06:13and the platform of the 10th,
06:14which was where the water tank was,
06:16and the other parts.
06:17Now, Ale,
06:18in the opening we realized
06:21that the prosecutor points out
06:23the use of heavy machinery,
06:26perhaps, I don't know, inadequate,
06:29or misused.
06:30What about that?
06:35Look, we have not seen,
06:37or witnesses,
06:38who have said that heavy machinery
06:39was being used here.
06:40Yes,
06:41that a kind of percussion
06:43or drill was being used,
06:45of great importance.
06:47Of course,
06:48which are to, well,
06:49to break concrete, right?
06:51To cut a concrete,
06:54to break a part of the structure,
06:57obviously, that they were doing.
06:59It is clear that,
07:00on the other side of here,
07:01and we told you yesterday,
07:02they were making a mega-window.
07:04They built a window
07:05where there would have to be walls.
07:07Well,
07:08that work, they say,
07:09was not allowed.
07:10In the middle,
07:11an architect resigns,
07:12who had told them
07:13not to do that.
07:14One of the detainees declares
07:15that they had to continue working
07:17until orders came from above.
07:19Of course.
07:20It is practically what he declares.
07:21Well,
07:22there are a lot of things
07:23that are obviously
07:24making the alarm go off.
07:26And pay attention to the statement,
07:28and Javier Díaz also said it yesterday,
07:30the statement of one of the detainees.
07:33And the judge says,
07:34but why did you,
07:35the first thing you reacted to,
07:37get under the bed
07:38thinking you were going to collapse?
07:40Well, there was silence.
07:41Why?
07:42Because one of the detainees says,
07:43I heard a noise,
07:44I thought I was going to fall
07:45and I got under the bed.
07:46Well,
07:47all the other witnesses,
07:48without this worker,
07:49the noise,
07:50they thought it was a lightning,
07:51that it was a tsunami,
07:52a lot of other things,
07:53okay?
07:54Now,
07:55this man,
07:56as soon as he heard a noise,
07:57his unconscious made him think
07:58that the building was going to fall.
07:59Well,
08:00why did you consider,
08:01or your unconscious,
08:02had in mind
08:03that this was going to happen,
08:04if supposedly
08:05everything was going well?
08:06Well,
08:07these are answers
08:08that must be given to justice.
08:09Yes, yes.
08:10That's why
08:11that sentence
08:12of this arrested person
08:13is fundamental.
08:14He heard a noise,
08:15he felt that,
08:16and suddenly
08:17he got under the bed
08:18because everything was going to fall.
08:19Well,
08:20but why
08:21his first idea
08:22was that everything
08:23was going to fall?
08:24Of course,
08:25of course,
08:26because you are inside
08:27a building.
08:28You don't know
08:29if something exploded,
08:30if the elevator
08:31fell,
08:32right?
08:33Obviously,
08:34you go out
08:35to the balcony
08:36to see what happened.
08:37And they are the two
08:38who were saved.
08:39Of course,
08:40that's why.
08:41They are the two
08:42who were saved.
08:43The two knew
08:44that something was going to happen.
08:45Of course.
08:46For some reason,
08:47they ran away.
08:48For some reason,
08:49Rosa ended up
08:50telling
08:51Dana
08:52and Nahuel,
08:53well,
08:54the situation
08:55is complex
08:56regarding his statement.
08:57Let me tell you
08:58that it is
08:59another minister
09:00who just spoke,
09:01shorter,
09:02less hopeful.
09:03Time,
09:04of course,
09:05does its thing.
09:06It was specific,
09:07gave three or four details,
09:08and you kept
09:09that idea,
09:10right?
09:11There are no
09:12encouraging
09:13signals
09:14so far.
09:15This
09:16has to be marked.
09:17Yes,
09:18another
09:19semblance.
09:20Another
09:21semblance.
09:22Another
09:23semblance today.
09:24A semblance
09:25that also
09:26communicated
09:27to the family.
09:28And the
09:29concrete answer,
09:30and you also
09:31have to say
09:32that,
09:33above all,
09:34they are giving
09:35information.
09:36There are
09:37signs of life.
09:38Look,
09:39there aren't any
09:40today.
09:41The dogs
09:42marked
09:43places.
09:44The RH
09:45dogs marked
09:46places
09:47that they were
09:48marking yesterday.
09:49The sonar
09:50didn't give
09:51life today.
09:52Does it mean
09:53that it doesn't exist?
09:54No.
09:55It can be
09:56a very slow
09:57heartbeat,
09:58it can be
09:59a person
10:00who is
10:01asleep,
10:02or who is
10:03fainting.
10:04Well,
10:05hope
10:06continues
10:07for the family.
10:08Who will
10:09take it away
10:10until they
10:11show them
10:12the opposite?
10:13Well,
10:14going to the