👉 María Josefa Bonazza, quien sobrevivió horas bajo los escombros tras el derrumbe, comparte su increíble historia de supervivencia. Atribuye su rescate a su conocimiento del código Morse y a técnicas de respiración aprendidas del yoga. Mientras continúan las operaciones de rescate en la zona, María se recupera en el Hospital Municipal de Balcarce y reflexiona sobre su experiencia.
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00:00And Cristian Balbo, precisely, is with Maria Josefa Bonassa.
00:04Cristian, how are you? Good morning.
00:08Good morning. And what a life story, huh?
00:09What a life story that of Maria Josefa Bonassa,
00:12who is receiving us here at the municipal hospital of Balcarce.
00:16Eight hours under rubble.
00:20She told us that she doesn't believe in miracles, but she believes in firefighters.
00:23And of course, she believes in firefighters because she understands Morse code.
00:27And it was what she used, with a stone, so that the rescuers could get to her.
00:31And she also understands yoga and how to be able to breathe for several hours
00:36so that today she is here with us.
00:39Little by little, she is rehabilitating herself.
00:42Let's take into account that they are still working in Villa Gesell,
00:45in a very complex situation that she is going through.
00:49The number of victims that may be under the rubble is not yet determined.
00:54But here is Josefa, with her life story.
00:56Maria, she wants us to call her Maria, Pelu.
01:01And Maria, the first thing I want to ask you,
01:06did you trust at all times that they were going to rescue you?
01:11I had the conviction from the first moment that they would save me.
01:14That they wouldn't save me first, until I had the conviction,
01:18unfortunately, that my husband, the love of my life, was no longer here.
01:23When I realized that he was dead, I said,
01:26I have to survive, I have to fight for my life.
01:30And well, here I am, remembering all the beautiful moments that we spent together.
01:38We are listening to Guillermo Andino, from the floor and the whole team.
01:40How are you, Guillermo?
01:41Hello.
01:42The truth is, Maria, I am moved, because you are the image of the miracle,
01:48as a survivor.
01:50You asked yourself why, why me, why not your husband?
01:56What happens when you are taken out of the coma, you know?
02:00No, no, I didn't think, I thought you were alive, nothing more.
02:04No, I didn't think why, or anything, I didn't want to complicate the story.
02:08Well, it's over, it's over, and I got ahead, nothing more.
02:13He didn't get ahead, but well, that's how it is.
02:17Maria.
02:18It's fate, I don't know.
02:19You said that Federico, Federico Sciocchini, your husband, was the love of your life.
02:24How many stories.
02:26Tell us.
02:26Yes, today, 48 years together.
02:2948 years together, how wonderful.
02:32Tell us about those stories, which end in this way, at least there, right?
02:38In Gessel.
02:40Why, the first time they went, why did they choose that place?
02:47Hello.
02:48Yes, can you hear us, Maria?
02:49Yes, yes, now I can hear you.
02:51Tell us about those beautiful stories that lived before this tragedy, with your husband.
02:56And nice, we traveled, we enjoyed, we went to Gessel often, before, before the pandemic,
03:04we went once a month, and we went to Gessel, we went to Gessel, we went to Gessel,
03:11we went to Gessel, we went to Gessel, we went to Gessel, we went to Gessel,
03:16before the pandemic, we went once a month, or a week a month,
03:24because we bought the apartment in Gessel, because the last time we came,
03:29they made a very nice tribute to him in Italy, in the place where his family came in 1845,
03:36they made an exhibition of a lot of works and sculptures and paintings,
03:42and a demonstration full of cultural acts for a month, and when we came back,
03:51there was a very big turbulence and he didn't want to travel by plane anymore,
03:55so we said, well, we're going to buy in Gessel, so we dedicated ourselves to Gessel,
04:00until a few years later, he got the bug from the thermals, so we went to San Clemente,
04:07Gessel was a stop to go to San Clemente, we also went to the Dolores, to the Campos,
04:13and well, we went to Gessel for less days, because we were going to the thermals a lot,
04:18and well, and then lately, after the pandemic, we didn't have COVID,
04:26none of us got infected, he already had, he walked little, he didn't feel like walking,
04:34he stayed a lot at home, he didn't feel like going to Gessel anymore.
04:40And why did you decide, Maria?
04:41I almost didn't go, but I had to order.
04:43If one talks about destiny, about fatality, why did you decide to go just for this date?
04:50And just because I had to meet the person, a lady, a girl who was going to take care of the tenants,
05:00in January, I had already rented almost all of January and almost all of February,
05:07so I had to meet her, that she was going to receive the tenants and everything,
05:12and I had to arrange some payments, some plumbing, some little things like that,
05:18so we were going to that, just to put the apartment, leave it ready for the summer.
05:25And how many days were you there?
05:27I had been rented since December 21st.
05:29How long did you stay before the hotel came down and, unfortunately, the apartment was taken away?
05:36That day, we arrived that day around 10 in the morning.
05:40My God, my God, that is, did you see when they say ...
05:44At that time, it came from the uncovers, that I had to uncover the pool, the kitchen,
05:53because you saw that in the summer they throw sand at you everywhere and the pipes are covered.
05:57I had to go do that and I found it there, he did it, we did everything we had to do.
06:03Only on Tuesday we realized that a TV had burned down and we had to go buy a TV, nothing more.
06:11Did you want to fulfill everything now?
06:13Maria, is it true that he put his body on yours to save your life?
06:19No, no, I wanted to clarify that.
06:22If he had committed that satanism of putting his body on mine, we both would have died.
06:28How was it? Tell me the moment, the seconds before, did you realize that something was happening?
06:34The moment was like this, the moment was like this.
06:37Look, a terrible noise sounded and he wakes me up and says, did you hear that noise?
06:42Yes, yes, I heard.
06:43Two seconds later, we heard two more thunderbolts and everything fell on us.
06:49The last thing I heard him say was, ah, ah, ah.
06:53And then I told him, oh treasure, stay calm, this is a collapse,
07:00you stay calm, they are going to come and save us.
07:03We are already in the center of the city, they are going to come and save us right away, stay calm.
07:08Don't move, stay calm, and he didn't answer me.
07:11I already knew there that he had passed out or that he was already dying, that he had already died.
07:16I was left with the tranquility that he was instantaneous,
07:21because later I did not hear a rumble, or a stutter, or an agonizing breath, nothing.
07:28Nothing, to say that I knew that she was not with me.
07:33Josefa Clara Salguero speaks to you.
07:35Well, yes, I already tell you how, and I had, I had, as if I had armed, I had imprisoned
07:41all my right flank, leg, hip and arm, and I had free the left and the left leg.
07:50And it had been armed, above me, it had been armed like a kind of dome of a smooth material.
07:58Yes.
08:00Well, and that's what made the rubble not fall on me.
08:04Now.
08:06Yes, except around my face, that around my whole face was full of rubble.
08:10Yes, you know that, unfortunately, they took other people out of the rubble, lifeless.
08:16Yes, yes. Oh, and there is another survivor, a kitten.
08:19Exactly.
08:20Oh, my love.
08:21Exactly.
08:22Yes, I love cats.
08:24Yes, yes, a miracle after a week.
08:27But, I say, did you have time to think about how this could have happened?
08:33Why were there people who didn't care about anything, who continued with works in a clandestine way,
08:37which is what is suspected?
08:39Yes.
08:40What do you think now?
08:41Yes, yes.
08:42That this also took the life of the love of your life, to whom in the last second you kept saying,
08:47treasure, I say, all these things that move us in this talk.
08:50And I warned him when he arrived, when he arrived, when I heard the siren,
08:58I told him, treasure, stay calm, the firefighters are already here, they are going to rescue us.
09:05I always spoke to him and he never answered me, of course.
09:08But I didn't hear a single breath, we were glued to each other.
09:13Maria, what is the story of life with Federico, with your husband, how did you meet?
09:21Oh, we met through a friend of his, who had a field, who has a field in Valcarce.
09:29And just him, my husband had an art gallery in Mar del Plata, which he attended in the summer.
09:35Yes.
09:36And one day I told him, accompany me, don't accompany me to the field for a few days,
09:45because the manager is sick and my father sent me to the field.
09:50Well, then I'll accompany you.
09:53And they got bored, they got bored.
09:57My husband painted, he painted crazy things.
09:59One of the paintings, I think it is in the Military Circle of Buenos Aires,
10:03one of the paintings he painted in that field, which is a tree.
10:09And well, one day Roberto Bosch, who was the friend, who was our wedding witness,
10:16tells him, ah, you know what we are going to do today?
10:19We are going to meet a nice crazy person that I know.
10:22Do you know who my father was? And there I met him.
10:25And then we began to discover a lot of friends in common that we had and we had never met.
10:30There was another boy who had a field in La Brava, who was the intimate friend of his childhood,
10:36that I was a friend of his brother, and things like that, you see, that we were finding.
10:42Or my childhood garden partner was a friend of him, for example.
10:45How strange, what a beautiful story.
10:47You see, we began to find things in common that we could not know how, what do you tell me?
10:54And one day you were declared, Maria.
10:59And well, one day we started dating, yes, it happened.
11:03And it happened.
11:04We did not separate anymore.
11:05Forty-eight years, did you have children?
11:08No, no, we chose not to have to be together.
11:11Aha.
11:12To always be together, pamper each other.
11:17Can I ask you something?
11:18Yes, of course, Clara.
11:19Josefa, good morning, Clara Salguero is speaking to you.
11:21Good morning.
11:22Good morning.
11:23Hello, I find this very important, what you said, that in the face of the tragedy that you had to live,
11:28that well, that it ended like this, with you, Ilesa, surviving, that you have not thought about why it happened to me.
11:36It happens because it happens.
11:37And it seems to me that this is a very positive thought, right?
11:40No, no, it happens because it happens.
11:41You don't have to understand.
11:43Yes, yes.
11:44It's a way of...
11:45You don't have to understand or make plots or things.
11:49It's a way of looking ahead.
11:51No, no.
11:52You said you don't have children.
11:53Yes, look at the positive.
11:54It happened like this.
11:56Yes, I don't have children, but I have three nephews and three nieces.
11:59There it is.
12:00Who accompanies you at this moment?
12:02And how do you feel?
12:03How are you?
12:04Yes, now...
12:06And yes, I am at peace, you see.
12:08I am at peace because I know that he did not suffer.
12:10Aha.
12:11The only consolation I have left.
12:14And my...
12:16And now, just the psychologist who was a while ago told me
12:20that there was a place here in Balcarce, a church,
12:24where they put the ashes.
12:26Because my husband always asked me to cremate him.
12:30Of course, the cemeteries, the churches.
12:34I remember that when he told me, he told me,
12:37you have to cremate me, you have to cremate me.
12:39And I took it as a joke.
12:40Yes, I tell him, I'm going to throw you into the Ada River.
12:43The Ada River is the river of the Valtellina,
12:45beyond where they are, right?
12:47Aha.
12:48From the border with Switzerland.
12:50And well, this...
12:54It happened.
12:55I'm going to have to have it close there.
12:57Sure.
12:58Maria, and how are you?
12:59The doctors told you.
13:00Yes.
13:02When are you going to be able to...
13:03And I'm fine physically.
13:04I have, well, I have scratches, arreoles.
13:08I have a lot of, a lot of scratches, things.
13:13But the fracture is a very small fracture of humerus.
13:19And it is not displaced or anything.
13:23Those eight hours, did you listen around,
13:26to the rescuers, to the people?
13:28And I heard...
13:29At one point you passed out.
13:30No, because right away, no, no,
13:32at no time did I lose consciousness.
13:34I tried not to sleep.
13:36I was sleepy sometimes and I tried not to sleep.
13:39The first thing I heard, quite fast,
13:42was a voice that told me,
13:45I'm Mariano, I'm a firefighter,
13:47I'm here to rescue you.
13:50That was invaluable.
13:52It's the moment, the emotion.
13:56And then every five minutes he spoke to me,
14:00he told me how he was,
14:02he told me, he was going to hear my voice closer and closer.
14:06Because we are coming to you.
14:08And well, they were telling me what they were doing.
14:12Now we are going to remove debris.
14:14Now you are not going to talk to me
14:16because we are going to remove debris.
14:18Now, again he told me,
14:20well, we are going to cut the communication
14:23because I'm going to give some orders.
14:27Well, I told him, well, I'll wait for you.
14:30And so I waited, and so it was.
14:33At one point I heard a little dog.
14:38It was the one that identified me,
14:40that I was there.
14:42But Alberto Cantaliano also helped me,
14:45he was in charge,
14:49he had retired,
14:52and he told the firefighters where I was
14:55because he had seen me,
14:57he had seen us those days.
14:59That day, because it was a day alone.
15:01He had seen that we were there,
15:03he told him where I was,
15:05what was the location of the apartment,
15:07what was the location of the bed,
15:09he told him everything.
15:11So that helped a lot.
15:13Let's see, sometimes one does not imagine
15:15how one is under debris.
15:17You were horizontal, vertical,
15:19looking up, looking down,
15:21you could move something.
15:23I was looking at the ceiling,
15:25and I could move my left arm and left leg.
15:29Aha, just that.
15:31And always looking up,
15:33some light or all darkness?
15:36You don't know.
15:37Later, yes, because they passed me,
15:39as soon as they found me,
15:41they gave me a little camera.
15:43So there I had light.
15:45But before, no.
15:46They always ask me if I saw something.
15:48Sure.
15:49I don't know.
15:51How do you do this?
15:53If I saw something,
15:54and I don't know if there was light or not,
15:56you don't know.
15:57I don't remember that.
15:58But maybe yes,
15:59because you saw that just as there was air
16:01between the debris,
16:03some light could come in.
16:05Yes.
16:06I don't think I was in total darkness.
16:08You said yoga helped you,
16:10the Morse Code.
16:11Are you a believer?
16:13Everything.
16:15I firmly believe in firefighters.
16:17In firefighters.
16:19I was going to ask you,
16:20God, Jesus,
16:21did you pray there, down there?
16:24And hopefully they exist,
16:26but I don't know.
16:27I don't have the conviction.
16:29Aha.
16:30What I believe in are the firefighters,
16:32the doctors, the nurses.
16:34In the people,
16:35in the solidarity people,
16:36in the anonymous heroes.
16:37In the people.
16:38No?
16:39Of course.
16:40I don't know.
16:41The people who have those purposes,
16:42which are pure vocation, you see.
16:44Exactly.
16:45They are internationally certified firefighters,
16:47the ones who rescued you.
16:48It's a solidarity.
16:49Ah, Josefa.
16:50Of course.
16:51Are you in contact with the firefighters
16:52who rescued you?
16:53Yes, I was here.
16:55The first one who rescued me is a doctor.
16:57I told him,
16:58you have the two most wonderful professions
17:00that exist.
17:01And more solidarity.
17:02Firefighters and doctors.
17:04And well,
17:05I was talking here with him,
17:07about going to jail.
17:10And do you follow the case, Maria,
17:12are you observing,
17:13or do you prefer not to see anything?
17:15Yes, yes, yes.
17:16I look at everything.
17:17I look at everything.
17:18From the beginning,
17:19I wanted to be shown,
17:20and they didn't show me anything.
17:22Nothing.
17:23And I wanted to see.
17:24And they thought
17:25that it could affect me psychologically.
17:27Yes.
17:28But well,
17:29no, on the contrary,
17:30I felt that knowing things,
17:32it's always better.
17:34Being able to verbalize them,
17:36being able to externalize what you feel.
17:39Yes.
17:40That's why
17:41I never denied an interview at the beginning,
17:43but because they thought,
17:45out of precaution,
17:46that it could be bad for me.
17:47Of course.
17:48On the contrary,
17:49it happens to me every day, you see.
17:50Of course, of course.
17:51What have you dedicated your life to?
17:52To receive, I don't know, Maria.
17:53Maria.
17:54Well, thank you.
17:55Yes.
17:56What have you dedicated your life to, Maria?
18:01And I,
18:02I tell you,
18:03I got a lawyer,
18:04I loved the profession,
18:06I worked for ten years,
18:09and I realized
18:11that I didn't like it,
18:12that I was doing something
18:13that was embarrassing for me,
18:14I didn't like it.
18:15So,
18:16I decided to continue with the business,
18:18which I had already started before,
18:19with my sister.
18:21Yes,
18:22with the business,
18:23writing,
18:24I published some articles,
18:26you see,
18:27about art and travel in the capital,
18:29about Mar del Plata,
18:31and then I wanted,
18:32I had,
18:33I already have several books,
18:35Ah, look.
18:36almost on the way,
18:38but I hadn't published any of them yet.
18:42Well, it's the moment now, Maria.
18:43Let's see.
18:44It's the moment now.
18:45Let's see,
18:46now, around there,
18:47now, around there, I start.
18:49Of course.
18:50I always found something else
18:51to do than publish.
18:53Sure, sure.
18:54Maria, well,
18:55we don't want to bother you anymore,
18:56and thank Christian too.
18:57We send you a huge kiss.
18:59Well.
19:00For those of us who believe.
19:01Thank you very much.
19:02We are going to pray for your husband
19:03so that he can rest in peace.
19:04Yes, pray, pray,
19:05pray with me.
19:07Sure, sure.
19:08And thank you very much.
19:09No, ah, I tell you,
19:10listen to me.
19:11Yes.
19:12Listen to me,
19:13I haven't prayed in years.
19:14You see?
19:15Look.
19:16And I prayed,
19:17I prayed our Father.
19:18Look.
19:19I prayed the Hail Mary,
19:20which surprised me
19:21how short it is.
19:22Ah.
19:23I wanted to start with the Creed,
19:24but I got to the second sentence,
19:25nothing more.
19:26The Creed is the longest,
19:27Maria.
19:28I didn't remember much.
19:29It was the Creed.
19:30It was the longest.
19:31Yes.
19:32That's why I wanted,
19:33because the Mary,
19:34the Hail Mary
19:35was very short for me.
19:36Yes.
19:37So I started again
19:38with our Father.
19:39Sure, sure.
19:40Maybe two or three
19:41I managed to pray
19:42before hearing
19:43the voice of the firefighter.
19:44Did you see?
19:45Yes.
19:46I started again
19:47with our Father.
19:48Did you see?
19:49The prayer is the food
19:50of the soul.
19:51He told me,
19:52we are here to save you.
19:53Are you sure?
19:54Yes.
19:55Are you sure?
19:56Yes.
19:57He helped me a lot too.
19:58Well.
19:59Maria,
20:00we send you a big kiss.
20:01Thank you very much
20:02for having us.
20:03Well.
20:04Thank you very much.
20:05Thank you very much.
20:06Bye.
20:07Maria Josefa,
20:08they call her Pelusa.
20:09It's an incredible story,
20:10another of those
20:11we usually saw
20:12in other types of rumbes,
20:13in the world.
20:14Well,
20:15it happened to us here,
20:16in Gesell.
20:17She was 79 years old,
20:18she lost her husband,
20:19her treasure.
20:20And the truth is
20:21that it is a miracle,
20:22but she gives it up
20:23and this is very good
20:24to the firefighters,
20:25to the police,
20:26to the nurses
20:27who were there,
20:28to the people
20:29who worked
20:30to rescue her
20:31and that in the end
20:32is what they are still doing.
20:33Then the time will come
20:34to investigate
20:35why this really happened.
20:36Corruption is talked about,
20:37we told you from the beginning,
20:38but there are also
20:39life stories
20:40and stories of people
20:41who have died
20:42because of corruption.
20:43And I think
20:44it is very important
20:45because there are also
20:46stories of life
20:47and salvation
20:48as is the case of Maria
20:49with whom we just talked.