Police E00 Interrogation Of A Burglar
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00:38Can you go upstairs? I'll leave them in the car.
00:41I'll probably go up there, won't I?
00:49I think this is going to be exceedingly difficult.
01:06What? I think this is going to be exceedingly difficult.
01:09Go in there and give the impression that it's a foregone conclusion.
01:17He's a convicted man already.
01:22I'm not over-optimistic about it.
01:26Wayne will experience it.
01:29Wayne has possibilities, I have a feeling.
01:32Though I haven't dealt with him before.
01:36Well, I'll tell you what.
01:40Why don't you two have a go at them?
01:45I'll see what they've got to say.
01:48I appreciate that with no gear we're scratching.
01:52But what I'm saying is, it's all down to interview now.
01:56And if they don't interview, that's it, isn't it?
02:04We can put bits and pieces up which he probably won't think we know.
02:11I'm not actually certain of the information.
02:15We'll just see how it goes.
02:18It's your job, Andy.
02:22You've got us into this, mate.
02:25You've got to have confidence.
02:29While we're sitting here talking about it, we ain't getting the work done, are we?
02:47That's fair, wasn't it?
02:50Yeah, is that it?
02:53Basically, two things we want, Wayne.
02:57The bloke who you did it with, the name of the bloke you did it with,
03:01and where the gear is now.
03:04The chemist bloke, really.
03:07I'll give that up.
03:10I'm talking facts.
03:13I'll use it a bit still.
03:16You know that.
03:18I went uptown the day I had a couple of hands.
03:21I ain't into doing chemist, don't worry.
03:25I know you have.
03:27You're going to be charged with it, no matter what.
03:30There's basically two things we want.
03:34We want you... Listen to me.
03:36We want you to know who the geese you were with, although we know them already.
03:41We want to know where the gear is, although we don't think there's much left.
03:45That's the two things we want from you.
03:47Just get it into your head that you've been brought in here for burglary.
03:51Listen to me. You're going to be charged with a burglary.
03:54I'm not fucking about. You're going to be charged with a burglary.
03:57And you're going to go up to court Monday morning.
04:00I ain't having none of that.
04:03What is this place, anyway?
04:06Every time I come in this place, I'll get arrested.
04:09I came in here last week and got arrested.
04:12What's your number for at the moment? Burglary.
04:14For what? The post office.
04:17Did you do that?
04:19No, I'm going up to court.
04:21Did you do it, though? No.
04:23No, I didn't.
04:25Who were you with last Friday night, then?
04:27Was I Friday night? Yeah.
04:29A week ago.
04:33Probably about a week ago.
04:35In the bugle, I think.
04:37The bugle?
04:39That's the bugle.
04:41There's a lot of people down there who can verify that for you.
04:43Well, you go and ask.
04:45Listen, you did that burglary.
04:48You're going to be charged with it.
04:50You just told me that.
04:52You just told me I've done it and I'm going to be charged.
04:54All I'm saying is you charged me.
04:56We know who you did it with. We know where the gear went.
04:59We know who had the gear. We know what gear you had.
05:02We know who was going to do the job with you.
05:09And we know what was left in the last few hours.
05:14You're so clever. You were telling me, weren't you?
05:18We're just giving you the opportunity to tell us what you've done.
05:21You don't mind matches?
05:23No, I'm not a lighter, am I?
05:28You know you're not going to be set up, don't you?
05:30You know you're not going to be set up.
05:32I don't know.
05:34Fuck me, what do you think I am?
05:36Forget it. I've had dealings with you all before.
05:39You're not me.
05:41Yeah, but I'm in this Thames Valley drug squad.
05:43So what?
05:46They done the dirty on me once.
05:48You don't forget things like that.
05:50When did they do the dirty on you?
05:52I got five years for three chemists.
05:54That's when they done the dirty on me.
05:56That's down to the court, as opposed to us, isn't it?
05:58No, no.
06:00What did you do them?
06:02Yeah, I did them. I admitted it.
06:04I went out for sentence. I got fucking done for conspiracy.
06:07And they let it stand.
06:09Well, that's down to your lawyer.
06:11No, it's down to you lot.
06:13I mean, you had nine months to sort that out.
06:15I was only nine nine months.
06:17You would have had the papers.
06:19Did you do it with the same people, then?
06:21What?
06:23These three chemists?
06:25Yeah, I mean...
06:27And you talked about it?
06:29I talked about it.
06:31The day I went up for sentence to Crown Court,
06:33the fucking old bills came in and said,
06:35here's another chance for you, conspiracy to rob.
06:37And they've let it stand.
06:39So you did five years?
06:42No.
06:44Well, what do you think? You did five years that time.
06:47You did 19 months for the last chemist job.
06:49No, 15.
06:51No, 15. You're on bail for another job,
06:53which you might get off on.
06:55And you've been arrested for this one.
06:57Things aren't fucking good for you, are they?
06:59I don't know. I've got the wrong name, haven't I?
07:01It might be termed that you're not very successful.
07:03Is that right?
07:05I'm not very professional.
07:07I don't profess to be professional.
07:10Well, you can't be, cos you get fucking nipped all the time.
07:13I never said I was a professional. I never have done.
07:16So what do you keep on doing it for, then?
07:18It runs in my blood, I think.
07:20It does. Mickey and Bea, doesn't it?
07:22When's Mickey come out?
07:24How can it run in your blood if you've said you've already stopped doing it?
07:27That's a good boy, eh?
07:30You're sharp.
07:32Listen, do you realise,
07:34if you get time for this,
07:36you'll come out when you're 30.
07:38Mm.
07:40I'd say you've got 18 months or something like that.
07:43Yeah.
07:45You've got to give it up.
07:47You've fucking got to give it up.
07:49You're fucking stupid.
07:51I mean, if someone does a chemist, all will end good,
07:54but it's for the fucking youngies, it's not you.
07:56You're fucking stupid. It really is.
07:59What prison were you in, Nick?
08:01Last stretch. Really?
08:03Really.
08:05Much to my disgust. Eh?
08:07Much to my disgust.
08:09Yeah.
08:11She had a nice quiet period in for about 18 months.
08:14Could still get gear in prison, yeah?
08:16Can you get it in there?
08:18You heard about that little episode, did you?
08:20Mm.
08:22Don't know where the fuck I went there.
08:24I'm not asking you to answer it,
08:27but I know you can get gear in prison.
08:29Of course you do. Right.
08:31And you can get smack in prison, but it's a bit expensive.
08:34You can get anything in there if you've got the loads.
08:37Enough tobacco or something, innit?
08:39That's right.
08:41So it's not such a quiet place, is it?
08:43You can still fucking...
08:45You've got to be far more careful.
08:47You're looking over your shoulder all the time, aren't you?
08:49What? Prison.
08:51In fact, you're looking over it all the time
08:53when you're walking the streets around Reading.
08:55Especially when you've done a chemist break.
08:57Especially one recently.
08:59It's really just...
09:01I mean, I know that you did the break,
09:04and so does Paul.
09:06And it's really...
09:08I'm not bullshitting you, it surprised me,
09:10cos I thought, well, it's down to some fucking, you know,
09:14young geese or geese that's fucking really strung out, you know.
09:19But you've got a habit.
09:21You've had a habit for such a long time,
09:23you can handle it to a certain extent.
09:25I haven't got a habit.
09:27Well, you have. I mean, you've never...
09:29You can't just fucking leave your habit, can you?
09:31You've got a habit, you're going to have a habit for a long time.
09:34I'm not going to leave it now, am I?
09:36I ain't going to get none for a few days.
09:38You're going to get some in Clink.
09:40No, I won't. Not in Oxford.
09:44I mean, fuck me, you must have spent more time in Clink
09:47than you have spent out in the last ten years.
09:50Mustn't you? Yeah.
09:52I mean, last ten years, how long have you spent in Clink?
09:55I don't know. I can't count.
09:57It's stupid.
09:59Because life has got much more to it
10:01than cracking yourself up and doing fucking jobs.
10:05Life has got a fucking lot more to do with it.
10:07It's all willpower, isn't it? You've got to do something yourself.
10:10I mean, it's saying to yourself, right...
10:12It's all willpower, isn't it? It's OK to fit in in somewhere.
10:15That's right, but it's saying to yourself,
10:17look, I'm not going to go and see my boy, he's into smack,
10:20I'm going to leave it out.
10:22And that is so difficult to do, it's incredible.
10:24The motivation you need to say no
10:27is more than I need to say no to cigarettes.
10:30I realise that.
10:32But the point of the situation is that one day you're going to have to,
10:35because if you don't, then you're going to lose...
10:37You know, you've only got one life.
10:39You're only on this earth for 70-odd years.
10:42You know, make the most of it while you fucking can.
10:45And for the best part of ten years, you've made nothing of it.
10:50Do you think it's that easy?
10:52Well, just come out and give it up, isn't that fucking easy?
10:55I know it's not fucking easy.
10:59Why don't you come to us?
11:01Trevor, look, you don't fucking go.
11:03You don't go to court and get 18 months.
11:05You get 18 months in the court, you go to prison for X amount of months,
11:08then you start your fucking sentence when you come out.
11:11Because you're fucking ostracised everywhere you go.
11:13Don't turn me on fucking long.
11:15But you've been through this time and time again.
11:17Yeah, don't turn me on long. I mean, it only takes so much.
11:20And then you start fucking saying,
11:22well, fuck you, Jack, I'm looking after me.
11:24Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
11:26I mean, people ain't going to play the game with me.
11:28They expect me to play it with them.
11:30Yeah, but you come out of clink and you mix with the same people again.
11:33Yeah, I don't get a lot of choice in the matter.
11:35No, right, but why don't you move away?
11:37Yeah, why don't I move away? Cos everywhere I go, my record follows me.
11:40Oh, fuck's sake. Who knows about your record?
11:42They. I mean, the old boys soon get to know about it.
11:44Who? The old Bill.
11:46Of course they do. You're in the same valley, aren't you?
11:49You know what I mean?
11:51Why don't you just leave it out for a bit?
11:53Just to say, right, leave it out for a bit, right?
11:55Just easy. You go for a job.
11:57Have you got a record, right? What's the best record?
11:59All right, you can tell them no.
12:01And then they check up on you and then you get the poke.
12:03So you say, yeah, well, you don't get the job.
12:06You go elsewhere, like, you've got a fucking record,
12:08you can't get in there, like, cos of your record.
12:10Well, you tell them about your record.
12:12What's the point of denying it?
12:14We don't tell them about your record. Oh, you do, though?
12:16We don't. You do? No, we don't.
12:18I've had jobs where they phoned up the police station,
12:20is this man known to you? Yes.
12:22And the next thing I know, like, oh, we can't offer you a job no more.
12:25Oh, we don't tell them? I don't know.
12:27Well, if I can lie... Anybody got a knife?
12:29We don't tell them, all right?
12:31If you apply for a job in a chemist's, will you apply for...
12:34Yeah, but if you did, will you apply for a job in... Tell them.
12:37..in the government or something, they're duly bound to ask us,
12:40and we do it.
12:42Anything in connection with government or something like that,
12:44they'll fucking ask us, obviously.
12:46No, but I... No, no, no, I get you.
12:48I know. Cos I had a job down at...
12:52What's that, Ideal Casement?
12:54I worked there for four weeks.
12:58Doing the same fucking welding job as everybody else,
13:00doing it just as good as everybody else,
13:02and then somebody decides to pick up the phone one day
13:04and phone up this place.
13:06And they say, yes, this guy is known to us.
13:08The next thing I know, I'm out of me fucking earhole.
13:11Yeah, but that still doesn't...
13:13That still doesn't make you do fucking jobs, does it?
13:15It doesn't say, right, I can't...
13:17It don't talk... It ain't conducive to going fucking on and on
13:20straight and narrow, is it?
13:22I don't know any geezer who was on to smack five years ago has left it.
13:26I don't know a lot of them.
13:28Can you name anyone?
13:30Anyone at all? Yeah, one.
13:32Apart from people who snuffed it. Yeah.
13:34Just Pat, and he's dead. Oh, right, Pat Pryor.
13:36Fucking Andy... Andy...
13:38..kicked the bucket.
13:40Fucking little Jake nearly kicked the bucket.
13:45Pat Pryor's dead.
13:47Yeah, it happens.
13:49It happens? Eddie O'Brie's dead.
13:51It fucking happens.
13:53What's the point in it?
13:55You know, they're fucking...
13:57They're in coffins now, six foot under.
13:59They're covered in earth. They're not going to have a second life.
14:02That's it. They've played their cards.
14:04They're not going to get the same cards back.
14:11I don't want to bring you in here.
14:14I don't get enjoyment from nicking you.
14:16No, you don't. Right.
14:18But that's the way it is with me.
14:20Because something happens.
14:22So something happens, but that's how it is with me.
14:24Yes, I know, but you don't have to be a no-good.
14:26Fuck's sake. I mean, there must be, what,
14:2855 million people in the United Kingdom.
14:3026 million of those people work.
14:32Listen, I've been a no-good, right, since I was nine years old,
14:35because I nicked a few bottles of lemonade, right?
14:37Ever since then, people don't let me forget.
14:39Right? Stay away from him. He's bad news.
14:42Right? I mean, after a while, you think,
14:45well, fuck it, I'm bad news, I'll be fucking bad news.
14:48But what's the point?
14:50You know, I mean, you're not...
14:52You're a nice bloke to talk to.
14:54You know what I am, and I know what you are.
14:56We're both sides of the fence.
14:58I don't have hassle talking to you. You're a nice bloke.
15:01You don't give me aggravation, I don't give you aggravation.
15:04He's just doing his job, isn't he?
15:06Right. That's right.
15:08You know, if we weren't here, then fucking so many chemists would be done,
15:11it'd be unbelievable, you know.
15:13But because we're here, then we don't fucking...
15:16We don't go around hassling people unduly.
15:19We don't pick on people, you know.
15:22But you're not a no-good. That's fucking wrong.
15:25You've got to get away.
15:27You've got to go and fucking lose yourself in North Wales or Scotland or somewhere.
15:30That's what you've got to do, and say,
15:32''Right, I'm going away, get a job, do this, that.''
15:35Anything.
15:37Yeah.
15:39I've done that five years. You know what I come out of there with?
15:42What? 28 quid and the clothes I had on.
15:44Yes, but you can make something of it.
15:46Yeah. 28 pounds and the clothes I had on.
15:48After nearly four years.
15:50After nearly four years in the jail.
15:52You know what I mean? That's the aftercare.
15:54What did you do?
15:56I moved away from Redden and went to Bletchley and tried to make a go of it.
15:59That's not far enough, for fuck's sake.
16:01And what happened then? You're nearer after fucking trouble.
16:04What are you going to do with ÂŁ28 you've been?
16:07I mean, I needed a fucking roof over me, I feel like, and that was the nearest roof.
16:12So I went there.
16:14Yeah, but why not do just straight jobs?
16:16Why fucking start cranking out smack and things like that?
16:18Why do you... No, let me ask you a straight question.
16:20Why do you crank out smack?
16:22I don't want to tell you, cos I'll fit in somewhere.
16:24No, but why? Do you get a job from it or what?
16:26That and I like doing it.
16:28And what's the feeling, then, when you smack?
16:30Forgetting. Forgetting? You just go numb? Yeah.
16:33You just go... Everything fucking disappears, all your hassles.
16:36Everything's nice and sort of fucking aided, hasn't it? Huh?
16:39You ain't got no worries, eh?
16:44It's going quite well. It's all right.
16:46It's going to take a bit of time.
16:48Well, obviously, he's taught you, but does he sound of any use?
16:51We'll get round it. It's going to take a bit of time.
16:53We're going round the... kind of, you know,
16:56what you've done in the past and everything like this,
16:58and I think if we keep at it for an hour or so, he's going to come across.
17:04Chris and I'll go and see if Kenny's in, all right?
17:07Yeah, all right. All right.
17:09All right, Chris.
17:17Hello. Are you still here?
17:20Are you still here?
17:22Are you still here?
17:27You're a nasty boy. I don't like you.
17:29Now, go away. Oh, go on.
17:37Hey, have you had this done? Yeah.
17:39Come here, then. Come here.
17:41Come here. Have this.
17:43HE GIGGLES
17:51Do you want to see now?
17:54Come on, then, Soph.
17:56Ta-ta!
18:07What?
18:09You want to see now?
18:14We've got facts. We've got facts we can prove,
18:17and that's what the situation is.
18:19It's the end of the story, isn't it? No, it's not the end of the story.
18:22It is. No, it's not.
18:24I mean, you got it all, like... No, we haven't got it all.
18:27That's what we're fucking asking you about.
18:29If we had it all, we'd fucking lock you up.
18:32We wouldn't have to ask you any questions, then, would we?
18:35We want... We want the story.
18:37And all this bollocks about,
18:39oh, you don't like Cornwalls and no-one likes Cornwalls...
18:45Yes, but you...
18:47No, it's not just this situation.
18:50It's not a situation you're in now.
18:52This is a situation you've been through before.
18:54It's what happens in the future.
18:56How much are you actually fixing in every day?
18:58Is it two a little? It speaks more than that.
19:01Or is it what you...
19:03Tell us the truth. How much are you fixing?
19:06Well, tell me. How many amps did you fix today?
19:09Two. And how many are they for?
19:13I don't have any amps. Let's have a look at your ankle.
19:15Let's see which ankle you're using at the moment.
19:18OK.
19:20How many have you got here, then?
19:22One, two, three, four...
19:25Very recent. Five, six...
19:28Seven, eight, nine, ten.
19:30Well, it doesn't work.
19:32We're going to bruise it, and all the bruises here.
19:34Where else are you cranking?
19:36Behind.
19:38Behind? Where?
19:42Straight in there. Just there?
19:45Anywhere else?
19:48Where are you getting your money from?
19:50It's not my money. It's a refund of all sorts of things.
19:53How many cranks have you had this week, for instance?
19:56I don't get a count of them.
19:58It's more than two a day, innit?
20:01Or one fix a day.
20:03I've had two today.
20:05You've had two today. We're up to two now.
20:07No, two amps. Two amps in one fix?
20:09In one fix.
20:11What was it yesterday? Some dyke.
20:13You had some dyke? Fucking dyke.
20:15Where did you get the dyke from? Uptown.
20:17Uptown.
20:19Four quid each?
20:21It's a lot of money, innit? We're talking about money.
20:23Uptown.
20:25Refundables, innit? You know what I mean?
20:27You know what I mean?
20:29I don't suppose you pay a penny for it, do you?
20:31You get money somewhere, don't you?
20:35What I want is a frank discussion with you about that, chemist.
20:39We're not going to fucking put words in your mouth.
20:42Never do that.
20:44I want you to think some things over,
20:46but we're being totally truthful with you.
20:48And we want you to be truthful with us.
20:50We are being truthful with you.
20:52We've been truthful. We know the fact that you were involved.
20:55We know you were there.
20:57You've all been told me, haven't you?
20:59But we want you to tell us what happened.
21:02That's where it boils down to.
21:04We want you to tell us...
21:06Whose idea was it?
21:08Who suggested it?
21:10What's the reason for going there?
21:12All these little questions have got to be answered.
21:14We want to know where the rest of the gear is.
21:17Simple as that.
21:19We don't want any cunt fucking overdosing out there.
21:22You're probably the only bastard who knows where the rest of the gear is.
21:26Why should I be the only one who knows where it is?
21:28Well, I don't know. You fucking must be.
21:30But there are other people in it as well, involved with you.
21:34And I don't expect you to fucking mention names either.
21:37What I want you to do is be a fucking man,
21:40and just be frank for once.
21:44Why is that so difficult?
21:46Is that why people dislike you?
21:48Why?
21:49Because you're not, you know, you're fucking a bit devious.
21:52I'm not devious.
21:55Why don't you just screw your life and see the light of day?
21:58What made you say that?
22:00What makes you think I'm devious?
22:02I don't know. You are devious cos you've got to be devious because of the things you do.
22:06So when does the last of the gear go?
22:08It's gone. That's all I'm saying.
22:10When?
22:11No, I mean, that's it. You've got it now.
22:13There ain't none left. It's gone.
22:15Well, when does it last go?
22:17It's just gone.
22:18Well, tell me.
22:19It's been used.
22:20It's been used. All right.
22:22Well, listen, I don't expect you to say names as well
22:25because I know you're not that fucking type of geezer.
22:28I know you're not going to say,
22:30oh, fucking, er, Gary did the job with me, he's got the rest of the gear,
22:34cos I know you're not going to say that.
22:36But if we can get the gear back without nicking geezers, I'll be happy.
22:40There ain't none to get back.
22:42You mean you cranked the lot up?
22:44Well, I mean...
22:46Is that what you're saying?
22:48You'll have to sort out...
22:51Is that where the diakonol came from?
22:53There ain't none left.
22:54Is that where the diakonol came from? You had it the other day.
22:57Two days ago, you said you had diakonol.
22:59Yeah, I had diakonol.
23:00Right, the diakonol came from the chemist.
23:02So you got the diakonol.
23:03Listen, let's just get one thing straight.
23:05We're not fucking fitting you up.
23:07No, all right.
23:08I'm a straight geezer.
23:09No, listen, no. Right, no statements.
23:11Yeah.
23:12I did the chemist, me.
23:14I done it on me own.
23:16I got in through the back window, I sawed the bars out,
23:19you see.
23:20Did you take the DDA cabinet?
23:21I took it off the wall.
23:22Where did it go?
23:23Into the back room.
23:24Where did you leave it?
23:25On the floor.
23:26What gear?
23:27I took the gear.
23:28What gear did you leave it in?
23:29I took...
23:30What gear?
23:31Let me ask you another question,
23:32cos I want to confirm you're not coughing something you haven't done.
23:35What gear did you leave at the chemist?
23:37Not gear, what of your own stuff did you take to the chemist
23:40that you left there?
23:41Do you forget anything when you jumped out the window?
23:44Yeah, I dropped my comb.
23:45You dropped your comb.
23:46What colour was it?
23:48Brown or blue.
23:49And what else did you leave there?
23:51That's it.
23:52What else?
23:53My wallet.
23:54Your wallet.
23:55I went back for that.
23:56Yeah, what else did you leave there?
23:58Did you have a barrow?
23:59No.
24:00You didn't take a barrow?
24:01No.
24:02So you left your comb.
24:03Where did you leave your comb?
24:04I don't know.
24:05It just fell out of your pocket, did it?
24:06Yeah.
24:07That's it.
24:08All right, all right, listen.
24:09No, no, no, I'm saying, I'm telling you now,
24:10I've done it on me own, all right?
24:12That's it.
24:13The gear is gone.
24:14Is it alarmed?
24:16Obviously not.
24:18All right.
24:19Where did you get the fucking hacksaw to get through?
24:21Well, I got it.
24:22Where's the hacksaw now?
24:23I'm going to ask, because I don't want you to fucking cough at a job
24:26which you haven't fucking done.
24:27It's gone, the hacksaw's gone.
24:28Where did you...?
24:29Did you chuck it somewhere or what?
24:31The hacksaw's gone.
24:32I'll tell you my whereabouts.
24:33Have you chucked it?
24:34I've chucked it.
24:35You've chucked it, so you can show us where you've chucked it?
24:36No.
24:37What about the bottles?
24:38They've gone and all.
24:39Where?
24:40Smashed.
24:41Come on, tell me where they're smashed.
24:42Smashed them in the river.
24:43Where?
24:44They've just smashed them in the river.
24:46Look, that's not good enough, Wayne.
24:48Well, that's it.
24:49You want to know who's done it?
24:51I've told you who's done it.
24:52No, it's not that.
24:53The bottles are gone.
24:54They've disposed of.
24:55Where are the bottles?
24:56They've disposed of.
24:57Where?
24:58Off a caverson bridge.
24:59Where?
25:00Come on, don't be fucking stupid.
25:01It's quite apparent they're not off a caverson bridge.
25:03They're buried somewhere, aren't they?
25:04They're not buried.
25:05I never bury bottles.
25:06You've chucked them in some bushes.
25:07No, I fucking break bottles and sling them in a river.
25:10You're going to carry them all through town and chuck them in a river?
25:13Yeah, I'm worried about getting turned over.
25:15Come on, leave it out.
25:16Where to do...
25:17I'll dispose of the bottles, Andy.
25:19Never mind about where I'm fucking held.
25:21If it's in a house, just say it's a house.
25:23I don't want the fucking address.
25:24They are disposed of.
25:25You won't find them.
25:26Where are they?
25:27You won't find them.
25:28Just tell me.
25:29They're in the river.
25:30All right, all right, they're in the river.
25:32All right, all right.
25:33Shall we get a frogman and get down there?
25:35Tell me what went from the chemist.
25:37We're not, we're not.
25:38They think we will be.
25:39Tell me what went from the chemist.
25:42It's a bit of morphine.
25:44Yeah.
25:4560 dykes.
25:46Mm.
25:48Pelf.
25:49It's imperfection.
25:50That was about it.
25:51Where was the DDA cabinet on the wall?
25:53On the floor.
25:54No, where?
25:55Before you took it off the fucking...
25:57It was on the floor.
25:58Where?
25:59It bolted to the wall.
26:00When you go in the front door, go to the counter...
26:02I didn't go in the front door, I went through the back window.
26:05As you go in the front door, as if, you get into the dispensary.
26:08Where is it in the dispensary?
26:09On the left, sort of.
26:10Sorry, this is the dispensary.
26:12Let's have a look.
26:13The door line is sort of down there.
26:15Yeah.
26:16By the stairs.
26:17And what did you force it off the wall with?
26:19A screwdriver.
26:20You chucked the screwdriver?
26:21Mm.
26:22Did you wear gloves?
26:23Yeah.
26:28Are you happy?
26:29No, I'm not happy.
26:30Well, that's it, then.
26:33Because you're a cunt to yourself.
26:35I walked.
26:36You are a cunt to yourself, Wayne.
26:38You're a bag.
26:43Are you happy with it?
26:44Yes.
26:45He said that...
26:46He described where the DDA cabinet was.
26:48He described what went, how he got in,
26:50that the window was outside the bars,
26:52that he left his comb there, which was found.
26:55A little comb that was left, that the chemist left there,
26:58that the chemist found.
26:59It's in the crime property.
27:01He took some works, which the chemist didn't notice,
27:04which was up at the top, in a little cardboard box.
27:08He described where the cabinet was,
27:10forced it off the wall, took the stuff.
27:12He said 50 dirt, perfume, smack, all the junk.
27:17And he's chucked the bottles in the river,
27:19and that's basically it.
27:21But the thing is, the chemist found the comb on the floor
27:24and said it wasn't there before,
27:26and he and Upson picked it up and took it upstairs
27:29in the same crime property.
27:31Anyway, I'll go and get some cigs,
27:33cos I think if, you know, if we talk to him nicely,
27:36he might well...
27:38Rather than...
27:40Oh, of course, may as well keep it going. Yeah.
27:43Right, I'm going to get some cigs.
27:45Can you think in terms of where the gear went?
27:48I mean, I know what the information is, all right?
27:51But the thing is, it may be that the information isn't spot-on.
27:57All right?
27:58Also, I'm thinking about the fact that...
28:01we've got to get some sleep tonight,
28:03and come back in the morning.
28:06So whatever we're going to get,
28:08I would suggest we're going to get it in the next half-hour or so.
28:12And whatever we haven't got by then,
28:14we go home to bed and come back and start again.
28:17Right? Yeah.
28:19I'll keep... I'll go home with him and just talk to him generally.
28:23Cos I think he'd prefer to be in there than in the cell.
28:26And if he's prepared to be in there and chatting away,
28:29then, you know, the options are always open, aren't they?
28:32Yeah, sure. I'm going to get some cigs for him.
28:49What type of window was it?
28:51Well...
28:53What type of window?
28:55Well, was it a lift-or-up kind of...?
28:57No, a catch in the middle. Yeah.
28:59End of the frame.
29:00And it's got one of them fucking metal bar things with a catch on it.
29:03Sort of opens up sort of that far, like, and stops.
29:05How long did it take you to cut through the bars?
29:07I don't know. A couple of hours of cutting.
29:10It can't make a lot of noise, can it?
29:16You must have had a pretty good saw then.
29:19It wasn't blunt.
29:20I had a 10-axle blade.
29:2210-axle blades?
29:23I had a packet of axle blades.
29:25Where did you buy axle blades?
29:27Come on, we've got to confirm what you're saying.
29:29I got them in Woolies.
29:31I never bought them, I lifted them.
29:33Fuck me.
29:34Look, we've got to confirm what you're saying, all right?
29:37Now, you're saying...
29:38All right, you want to say you did it on your own, I'll accept that.
29:41I did it on my own. All right, all right, we'll stay by that.
29:44We want to confirm what you're saying.
29:48See, it's the same old thing, isn't it?
29:51You're in here,
29:53called for a job,
29:55you don't want to grass someone up.
29:57I'm not grassing someone up. Yes, I know, all right,
29:59but if you did it with someone else,
30:01it's a case of not wanting to grass someone else up.
30:04It's always a situation.
30:12It is, isn't it?
30:15You're in here, that person's out.
30:19He doesn't have to be out.
30:21Nobody else. All right, all right, all right.
30:24But it's a reasonable assumption,
30:26on our part and the court's behalf,
30:28that the bottles are someone with someone.
30:31It's got to be,
30:32or else you'd tell us where the bottles are, wouldn't you?
30:35It's got to be.
30:36I don't know.
30:37Whatever it's got to be, it ain't got to be.
30:39All right. The bottles are gone.
30:41If not, all the bottles are there.
30:43All the bottles are in the same place, are they?
30:46Except for the plastic ones.
30:48All the bottles are in the same place?
30:50All empty, nothing left in them?
30:52All smashed.
30:53All smashed.
30:54All nice pieces in the river.
30:56Smashing?
30:58So why don't you want to tell us where they are?
31:00It's my choice, isn't it?
31:02Huh? It's your choice?
31:05It's your choice, yeah. It's your choice.
31:08I don't want to force you.
31:09I can't force you, can I?
31:10If you want to keep it to yourself, you keep it to yourself.
31:13If you want to do time,
31:15you know, more than you require,
31:17do time more than you require, but it's so fucking...
31:20It's a shame, isn't it?
31:21Well, that's it, isn't it?
31:23Bottles are gone.
31:26Yeah.
31:27Come on, let's go and get something.
31:32Come on, gent.
31:34All right, then.
31:37All right.
31:39You agree with that, then?
31:41ÂŁ11.99.
31:42Hang on.
31:44Er, Mr... Miller.
31:46Mr Porter.
31:48BC Miller.
31:50Sorry.
31:51Can we, er...
31:53Er, do two, no?
31:55I'll do two.
31:57Put the suit on, will you?
31:59He's got a cigarette on him.
32:01All right.
32:04No, not until you've made your bed.
32:06You haven't made it yet, have you?
32:08The bottles are with someone else.
32:10Eh?
32:11The bottles are with someone else.
32:12They are?
32:13Yeah, cos he won't tell us where they're dumped.
32:15Yeah, exactly.
32:17Same with all the tools as well.
32:19Yeah.
32:20Where the fuck they are, I don't know.
32:22Well...
32:23Do about four or five guesses, no trouble, is there?
32:26Yeah.
32:27I don't know.
32:28I don't know.
32:29I don't know.
32:30I don't know.
32:31Do about four or five guesses, no trouble, is there?
32:34Pardon?
32:35I mean, you can get a count of his addresses,
32:37but it's a matter of finding them.
32:39I can't see a thing.
32:43Well, I might sleep on it.
32:48Right?
32:49Yeah.
32:50Right.
32:51The doctor's coming in for the breathalyzer, I think, so...
32:55Is he going to give a check over?
32:57Yeah.
32:58Sorry.
32:59I think he's all right.
33:00Yeah.
33:01He said to me, he'd be all right by the end of tomorrow morning,
33:04when you're out of the room.
33:05Cos I asked him then if he wanted a doctor.
33:07So he'll be all right for quite a few more hours, yeah.
33:10God, there's no sleep.
33:12Right, OK.
33:14Um...
33:16Yeah, put a kettle on then.
33:18Fine.
33:30Right.
34:00.