NAR Grave Soaking Exposed: The Deity Cult Tombstones - Episode 160 Branham Research Podcast - video Dailymotion

William Branham Historical Research

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham   Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast    Come Out Of Her My People: A History of The Message of William Branham (Vol. I: Days of the Voice 1930-1965): https://www.amazon.com/Come-Out-Her-People-1930-1965/dp/B0CZRMM8WQ   John Collins and Charles Paisley delve into the intersections between Branham, other post-World War II healing revivalists, and the New Apostolic Reformation. They examine the peculiar beliefs and practices within the Branhamite community, such as the worship of Branham as a deity and the expectation of his resurrection, often evidenced by the inscriptions on tombstones in Jeffersonville’s Eastern Cemetery. They discuss the financial and doctrinal manipulations within the movement, comparing them to modern New Apostolic Reformation tendencies.  Charles and John also expose the bizarre and idolatrous aspects of Branham’s followers, particularly their grave inscriptions, which often substitute traditional Christian beliefs with Branham-centric doctrines and suggestions that Branham was the embodiment of Jesus Christ. They also discuss the dangerous consequences of these beliefs, including health risks during the COVID-19 pandemic due to the community’s rejection of medical advice. Last, they discuss the rationale behind New Apostolic Reformation leaders’ fascination with the Branham movement, given its controversial history and doctrinal aberrations.  00:00 Introduction 01:10 Discussion on the Deity Cult 06:10 Exploration of Eastern Cemetery Gravestones 13:40 The Token Doctrine Explained 24:50 The Impact of COVID-19 on the Branhamite Community 36:00 The Tent Vision and its Implications 43:50 The Financial Exploitation within the Branham Movement 53:20 Examination of Billy Paul’s and John Collins’ Grandfather’s Graves 59:50 Connection Between Branhamite Beliefs and Modern NAR Practices  ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg  – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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00:00:31Hello and welcome to another episode of the William Branham historical research

00:00:36podcast. I'm your host John Collins, the author and founder of William Branham

00:00:40historical research at william-branham.org and with me I have my co-host

00:00:45researcher, minister, and friend Charles Paisley, the founder of Christian Gospel

00:00:51Church.org and the author of Come Out of Her My People. And together we're

00:00:56examining the history and the intersections in history between William

00:01:00Branham and other key figures that either influenced or were influenced by

00:01:04the post-World War II healing revivals. Charles, it's good to be back and

00:01:10continue our talk on the deity cult, which I kind of had to embarrass myself

00:01:16a little bit last week or last time I recorded to, you know, explain what I was

00:01:23in and how I, you know, I didn't even realize what I was in. I was born and

00:01:28raised in it and it was somewhat embarrassing, I'm not gonna lie, but now

00:01:32we go a step further with the embarrassing because people outside of

00:01:38Jeffersonville really need to know this. If you live in Jeffersonville, you know,

00:01:43you've been there, you know, you've seen it. Run into them. It's just, yeah, you not

00:01:50only do you meet them in the restaurants or, you know, a post office or,

00:01:55you know, wherever you go, although I will say that now that they're building a

00:01:59communal city, that's another story for another day, but it is

00:02:03getting somewhat different. But communal city aside, now when you go to

00:02:10Jeffersonville, everybody who lives here that's in the message, they've all been

00:02:14to the cemetery, they've all seen the pyramid grave, and they've all seen the

00:02:18things that are written on those other ones. I know, John, it's something else.

00:02:25I know after we recorded our last episode, we mentioned something along the

00:02:29line, you could tell people are in the deity cult just by strolling through

00:02:32Eastern Cemetery, and then we kind of got to thinking like, well, our

00:02:37average listener probably doesn't have the opportunity like you and I to just

00:02:40drive over to Eastern Cemetery and see that for themselves. So I thought, you know,

00:02:44maybe it'd be a good idea to just go over to Eastern Cemetery, take a picture of

00:02:48just a few of the few of the gravestones, and show the people what Eastern

00:02:53Cemetery actually looks like. This is the Great Message Cemetery, and there's so

00:03:01many interesting ones. It was hard to just narrow down to a few to include in

00:03:04the episode today, but I think we've got a few to maybe just kind of demonstrate

00:03:09some stuff. And on the other side, I think it might also be interesting for our

00:03:13people coming out of the New Apostolic Reformation to see where these

00:03:18crazy men are coming to grave-soak at. I mean, this is a crazy place to

00:03:23come grave-soak at. And you'll see that as we go along. Yeah, it's just so

00:03:29odd, man. You know, now that I'm out of it, and I've fully deprogrammed at this

00:03:35point, although, you know, as with everybody who's left the cult, for the

00:03:41rest of your lives you'll fight with little things. But for the most part, I'm

00:03:45deprogrammed. And I look at this, and for me, it's not the graves with the

00:03:50tombstones that are ridiculous that bother me. It's all the other ones.

00:03:55Because you know that every single family that is not in the cult that take

00:03:59their families and say, hey, everybody from out of town, let's come in because

00:04:05grandpa's died, let's go bury him. And then you see all of these normal

00:04:09Christians that go in the cemetery, and what in the world are they thinking when

00:04:13they see this stuff, man? It's like, it is the worst form of idolatry, and they're

00:04:18thinking, you guys got to get out of this town. It really is something else, my

00:04:25goodness. So the first ones I think I'll show here, John. So some of these, it's

00:04:32very obvious what they're saying. Some of them it's a little less obvious. So we're

00:04:36gonna just kind of have to clue in a little bit on some of the

00:04:38message-loaded language as we come through this. Now this very first

00:04:43one that we're gonna look at, if you look at it, it just says Hebrews 13 8 on the

00:04:49front of it. And of course, you know, we might think that don't mean a whole lot.

00:04:52What's Hebrews 13 8 is Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever, right?

00:04:56That sounds like a really innocuous thing, right? Jesus Christ the same

00:05:01yesterday, today, and forever. And as you look through Eastern Cemetery, you'll find

00:05:05that this marks a significant number of the graves of the deity cult. For example,

00:05:13the second image I got here, this is one of the Roberson's graves. You'll find

00:05:18Hebrews 13 8 up at the top of it, for example. These are people who were in the

00:05:23deity cult. You know, we have them on tape saying William Branham is God. I've got

00:05:27here the third one. This is Fred Softman's grave. Same thing. You can find

00:05:31him on video explaining how William Branham was God in the flesh, how William

00:05:36Branham brought him into that belief set by different things that he

00:05:43shared him. And same thing, you see Hebrews 13 and 8 really big across the

00:05:48top of his grave. And again, it may not be incredibly obvious what this means to

00:05:54these people, but you will find a few graves. For example, here's our fourth one

00:05:58which tells us what this verse of Scripture means to them. So if you look

00:06:04here at this fourth one, this is the backside of one of the graves, and this

00:06:07is Hebrews 13 8. He said, I received the prophet as Jesus Christ the same

00:06:13yesterday, today, and forever. And so when you see Hebrews 13 8 on these graves,

00:06:18they believed William Branham was Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today,

00:06:24and forever. And that is what that means to them. I received the

00:06:28prophet. I mean, if you just look at the back of this grave, it says, I received

00:06:31the prophet as Jesus Christ. It's unbelievable. And it is so obvious when

00:06:38you just take the time to look through here what these people are saying with

00:06:41these beliefs. And some of these graves, not all of them, but some of them, you

00:06:46know, this is a cemetery that's been putting bodies under the ground for

00:06:50decades. You know, some of these graves happened, the people died before William

00:06:55Branham did. So the fact that they're openly worshiping William Branham is

00:06:59just unbelievable. Now the worst of them obviously came after his death because

00:07:06number one, they were looking for him to rise at Easter, and then number two,

00:07:10when he didn't, there was a subsect of people, especially in Jeffersonville,

00:07:14that for years and years to come, probably still today, they believe that

00:07:18one Easter he's going to rise like Jesus Christ and roll the, tumble the

00:07:24pyramid away, not roll the stone away, tumble the pyramid away. And it's just

00:07:29so wrong, man. The idolatry is unbelievable. And like you said, all of

00:07:33these grave soakers, these guys know that it's idolatry. When you enter into

00:07:40the cemetery, you're going to see it. You're going to see rows and rows of

00:07:44these people that are just, it's ridiculous what's written on the

00:07:47tombstone. So these guys know that this was a, the worst form of heresy that

00:07:52exists. It's not much better than the prophets of Baal, right, because they're

00:07:57worshiping a false god. But yet they'll come take their videos with the grave

00:08:02soaking because they can claim some sort of quote-unquote mantle that's going to

00:08:07make them a lot of money. One other thing I think we have to point out here, John,

00:08:12and we pointed this out at prior times in the podcast, Hebrews 13 8 was also the

00:08:21motto of the Ku Klux Klan why Roy Davis was running it. And again, you're just

00:08:29left wondering, right? You're just left wondering. That's really strange

00:08:34coincidence, isn't it? That, you know, these people are in a church that was

00:08:39started, really, by Roy Davis, the national leader of the Ku Klux Klan. While he is

00:08:44national leader, Hebrews 13 8, yesterday, today, and forever, is the motto of the

00:08:49Klan, and they're all putting that on their gravestone. Boy, that's, that's too

00:08:56much, that's a really big coincidence, isn't it? Yeah, and it's awful, too, because

00:09:01it's an actually, it's a really good verse in the Bible, but the fact that the

00:09:05Klan hijacked it, and, you know, once I discovered that, I'll never

00:09:10forget finding that article and a series of articles in Shreveport, and then you

00:09:15find, it was like, if I remember correctly, they even painted it on the

00:09:18sides of buildings. And if you're in the message, you know the significance of

00:09:23Shreveport. That's where one of William Branham's first original headquarters was,

00:09:28was in Shreveport, Louisiana. And Voice of Healing started there, and, you know, big

00:09:34things happen. Christ for the Nations, for example, came out of the movement that

00:09:39was there in Shreveport. This is a big, big thing. And when William Branham went

00:09:43into these cities, and he's dropping the name Roy Davis left and right, they know

00:09:49the name Roy Davis. He's all over the news. He's in the newspapers, television,

00:09:53radio. They have painted signs on the side of the building with, like, a horse,

00:10:00a white knight on a horse, and, you know, yesterday, today, and forever. They all

00:10:04know that. So when William Branham drops the name Davis, they know what he's

00:10:08talking about. When he drops the phrase from the Bible, they know exactly what

00:10:12he's talking about. And then now I have to think, as a kid, I'm growing up, and

00:10:17that was one of my favorite verses because it's so often repeated in the

00:10:21message. Today, and probably for the rest of my life, when I hear that verse, I'm

00:10:26going to be haunted by it because that was associated with white supremacy and

00:10:31one of the most vile forms of evil. You know, there's certain things there where

00:10:35we're just left wondering, you know, what exactly was the connection in all of

00:10:42this? And there's obviously something more under the rug there that we

00:10:45just don't quite know about. And, you know, maybe one day we'll find out more, but

00:10:49for now, I mean, it's enough to just be really disturbing to realize

00:10:54those connections exist. Now, maybe moving on to the next little bit of a

00:11:01set, and we might have to blur out some of these names because I know some of

00:11:04the people on these tombstones are still living, so it's kind of odd to have a

00:11:09tombstone for someone who's still living. Yeah, but that is the case. There are

00:11:13people on these tombstones who are actually still alive. I think they

00:11:16pre-bought their tombstone or something like that, so maybe we blur their names

00:11:19out. But the next couple here are to demonstrate something that you'll see on

00:11:25another fair number of the tombstones there. This first one right here, our

00:11:29fifth one, is, if you look there under the praying hands, it says, under the token.

00:11:34Under the token. And I got another example of this one, you know, our sixth

00:11:39one here. The same thing if you look at the bottom of his grave. It says, the

00:11:45token was applied. The token was applied. And if you recall back through our

00:11:50series, you remember the token, that phrase, that's a loaded language term in

00:11:55the message. The token is the message formula for salvation. You know, I think

00:12:01we've described this, how William Branham preached a sermon multiple times called

00:12:05the token. And in that, he explains how you are saved in the message. And, you

00:12:11know, in his teachings, he taught that each messenger that came to the church,

00:12:15he had seven, more or less had the authority to modify the plan of

00:12:20salvation for their age. And you needed his message in his specific age,

00:12:26what he taught, in order to be saved. So as each one modified that plan, as he

00:12:30preached the token, that was him modifying the requirements for salvation

00:12:35for the final seventh age, which he was the messenger to. And in his token

00:12:41sermons, he explained that the token was essentially him and his message. You had

00:12:45to accept him and his message, and if the message and the messenger are one, and

00:12:50you, if you accepted that, then the token was applied. And he said, if the token is

00:12:55not applied, then you are still under the wrath of God. And so everyone in the

00:13:00message believes you have to accept William Branham and the message, or you

00:13:05will experience the wrath of God. And so when they put on here, the token was

00:13:10applied, or, you know, under the token, they're saying they are covered, instead

00:13:14of saying we're covered by the blood of Jesus, they're saying we're covered by

00:13:17the message of William Branham. And in that respect, William Branham is elevated

00:13:22into the role of a savior. And it's not just even the Deedee cult that

00:13:27believes this. The overwhelming majority of the message communities and sects all

00:13:33believe William Branham's message is required for salvation. And the

00:13:36overwhelming majority of the sects, they may not all use that same phrase, the

00:13:39token, but they believe that without the message of William Branham, and

00:13:44believing William Branham as the prophet to this age, as they would say it, you are

00:13:50going to burn up and suffer the wrath of God. Yeah, I grew up, I don't know if they

00:13:55did in your church, but in a vast majority of the main sect, and especially

00:14:00down south, there was a song called The Token, and it was sang everywhere, like

00:14:06pretty much every month in one of those churches you're going to hear the song

00:14:09The Token. And I knew the family that it was written by, and it was a man and his

00:14:15wife, and they would travel around singing it. And we've talked about the

00:14:20mental health issues in the cult, and it's sad, so I'm not bringing it up to,

00:14:26you know, not to bring any negative light on mental health, because that is a

00:14:31problem, but this family got so caught up in this thing, and the cult, and who

00:14:37knows what not, but it ended up in a murder-suicide. Not a lot of people

00:14:42realize that, but the person who wrote the song that they're singing in the

00:14:45vast majority of these churches, and around the globe, man, you hear the song,

00:14:49you can go find sermons overseas where they're singing that song, The Token, and

00:14:54the family, you know, it's one of the consequences, maybe not directly because

00:15:01of the cult, but in part because of the cult, and they, you know, the effects of a

00:15:06cult on your mind. It really is unfortunate, you know, not every grave

00:15:12here in Eastern Cemetery are people who died of natural causes either. I mean,

00:15:17there are some of these people in here, and we're not showing obviously

00:15:21anywhere near all the graves, some of these people are suicide cases that were

00:15:24driven to suicide by the message. You know, it's very sad what the

00:15:31message has done to the lives of a lot of people. You know, another thing you

00:15:36might have noticed here on a few of these that we've looked at, too, is

00:15:39there's symbolism of grain. There's, like, wheat with the wheat at the top, and, you

00:15:46know, the stock at the bottom. That's another very big symbol in the message.

00:15:50The message is, they're the wheat. They're the, you know, the final product, the

00:15:56grain that has been produced, and you find that across a lot of that. There's, I

00:15:59think there's another one down here a little bit where maybe we'll talk about

00:16:02that some more, but maybe moving on here to the seventh one that we got. This one

00:16:09says, he had wrote on his grave, he that receiveth a profit in the name of a

00:16:14prophet shall receive a prophet's reward. And, of course, that's a verse of

00:16:19Scripture by, you know, Jesus spoke that, but when you see quotes like this, it's

00:16:27very clear, right, that these people, their hopes are all wrapped up in the person

00:16:32of William Brown, right? He didn't put on his grave, I believed in Jesus, I'm gonna

00:16:37make it. His hope is that he believed in a prophet, right? He that receiveth a

00:16:43profit in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward. They pin it, a

00:16:47lot of them pin their hopes, they literally pin their hopes of salvation,

00:16:51of making it, it is all pinned on William Branham being who he said he was. And if

00:16:58you think about this, he that receives a profit in the name of a prophet shall

00:17:01receive a prophet's reward. Well, what if you've received a false prophet? Oh boy.

00:17:06You know, it's not, you know, you really, you took a big gamble there and it might

00:17:10not pay off, right? And so, when I look at things like this, you know, compared to

00:17:14true Christianity, John, I mean, good gracious, I mean, wouldn't they be much

00:17:18better putting their hope in Jesus than into, obviously, someone who

00:17:24was tricking them with all of the stuff he was doing? Yeah, for me it's even worse

00:17:28than that, because even that example is not quite telling the whole story.

00:17:34William Branham claimed to be another return of Elijah the Old Testament

00:17:39prophet, just like John Alexander Dowie did, like Frank Sanford did, like Charles

00:17:44Parham did, because there's a lot of money in it. And that's a really sad

00:17:49thing to say, but I've come to terms with it. Because there's a lot of money in

00:17:52claiming to be Elijah and convincing people that it's a con game, you con

00:17:57them out of their money. Well, William Branham made this claim, and what

00:18:04this claim essentially is, is that whenever the Bible says that John the

00:18:09Baptist was the Elias that was to come, the Elijah that's to come, they try to

00:18:14divide the third and fourth chapter of Malachi, even though it was one single

00:18:18scroll that was written to Israel, not to the Gentiles. The very first line of the

00:18:23book of Malachi says to Israel. So they try to divide it up and say that John

00:18:30the Baptist was before the first coming of Jesus Christ, and then William

00:18:36Branham, or whoever is the cult leader con artist, is the one to come before the

00:18:41second coming of Jesus Christ. So when William Branham tells his great story

00:18:47about how as he's baptizing people, the heavens parted, and a voice from God

00:18:53spoke, and you know, essentially he's saying, here's my beloved prophet, hear

00:18:58ye him. When the Bible, it's here's my beloved son, hear ye him. And then when

00:19:04you get, you know, to these verses like you're talking about here, what they're

00:19:09doing is they're essentially taking the focus, you know, he who receives a

00:19:14prophet get the prophets reward. They're taking the focus and shifting it to

00:19:18Branham. It would be more the equivalent of Jesus saying, whoever receives John

00:19:25the Baptist gets a reward. But Jesus is not saying to look backwards to John the

00:19:31Baptist. He has arrived. He's the one you're looking to. Well, in the message,

00:19:35they're not really looking to the second coming of Jesus. As you can see with

00:19:39these tombstones, they're looking backwards to the dead prophet. Precisely.

00:19:45And you know, you never find throughout Scripture where a prophet incorporates

00:19:49himself into the plan of salvation. That does not happen, right? And so when Jesus

00:19:55said, you know, he who receives a prophet receives a prophet, has nothing to do

00:19:58with that. You know, John the Baptist, they came to John the Baptist and they

00:20:01said, who are you, right? You know, and that was the perfect opportunity for John

00:20:06the Baptist to pull a William Branham, right? Well, I'm the greatest prophet

00:20:09there ever was and you need me to make, you know. But that's not what John the

00:20:13Baptist did. John the Baptist said, I'm nobody. I'm just pointing you to the

00:20:18Savior, right? And that's what the, you know, when Jesus said, he who receives a

00:20:23prophet, well, the prophet's message is really ultimately to point you towards

00:20:27towards the Savior. But that's not what we see with William Branham. William

00:20:31Branham says, you must receive me personally. You must receive my person.

00:20:34You must receive my teachings, which are not in the Bible. And without that, you're

00:20:38gonna burn up in the wrath because you don't have the token. So it's really, it's

00:20:43really twisted what they do, yet they hijack all these Bible verses to try and

00:20:48give it a semblance of, you know, someone who's maybe not super well-versed or

00:20:53spent their entire life in it. It can confuse them to think, yeah, this really

00:20:56is in the Bible. This really is, right? But the truth is, they just hijacked a few

00:21:00verses. They've taken things out of context. And the majority of people in

00:21:03the message spent their whole life in there. They never heard otherwise. And

00:21:07they just don't, they don't know they're being tricked. And, you know, another

00:21:11thing that I noticed, too, John, as I was walking through the cemetery taking these

00:21:16photos like this, this most recent one we show you, COVID took a seriously heavy

00:21:23toll on the elder generation of the message. I noticed that walking through. I

00:21:27mean, the number of new graves that popped up during the COVID virus, I mean,

00:21:31it, it was actually fairly surprising. And I know the same is true where I come

00:21:35from. The, the elder generation was highly hit by COVID because a lot of the

00:21:41churches refused to follow the, the, the protocols for keeping the churches safe

00:21:46and devastated the elder generation of the message. Yeah, it did. And that's, you

00:21:53know, that's not limited to the message by no means. There's a lot of, a lot of

00:21:57people who died because of COVID. I lost several friends because of COVID. But

00:22:01it's different when you're in a divine healing cult. So to the people who are

00:22:06listening, who are interested in research on William Branham, and how this

00:22:12morphed into the NAR, you have to realize that part of your salvation is tied to

00:22:18the divine healing. That was something that was taught clearly by John Alexander

00:22:24Dowie. Bosworth, who was in a leader in the Dowie cult, he taught this, they

00:22:29linked salvation and healing together. And then he trained William Branham in some

00:22:35of the doctrine. And that was one of the things carried forward. So your doctrine

00:22:39of salvation is deeply tied to the divine healing. And it's also one of the

00:22:45boundaries that's used to keep you mentally trapped in the cult. Because the

00:22:50first thing that happens when, and I've talked to countless people at this point,

00:22:55the first thing that happens when you try to leave, whenever somebody tries to get

00:22:59you not to leave the cult, they don't go to, well, Jesus is in this cult, or

00:23:05William Branham, or whatever. Instead it's, well, think about the healing. You're

00:23:10going to get cancer, you're going to die. And they'll put a hex on you. A lot of

00:23:14them. I've got, I don't know how many hexes I've got at this point, Charles.

00:23:18But whenever you leave, they try to hex you with, you're going to get sick.

00:23:24Because we have the healing. We alone have the exclusive rights to Jesus and

00:23:31his healing. That's what the cult essentially, that's what it boils down to.

00:23:35And then something like COVID happens, and it's an eye opener. Because everybody

00:23:40starts to see, wait a minute, we're not protected.

00:23:43And in fact, the people in the message churches I come from died at a far higher

00:23:48rate, and received, got the COVID at a far higher rate than the general population.

00:23:52Because they didn't follow the rules. I was still in the message through COVID,

00:23:56John. And the church I come from, the churches I come from, we had one preacher

00:24:02in particular who told us, he preached a sermon. And he said, pretty well a direct

00:24:08quote, the bride of Christ cannot get COVID because God will protect them. And

00:24:13we had all of the COVID restrictions in place at that point, you know, where

00:24:16people were spaced out and all that. And after that, well, the sick people came to

00:24:20church. And in one service, within one week of him doing that, 168 people got

00:24:26COVID in the church I was in, John. There were multiple fatalities. And as that was

00:24:33going on, the preacher who did that, actually announced to his elderly parents

00:24:38that they're refusing medical treatment. And his parents, his mother died. I mean,

00:24:44that was actually one of the major catalysts that ultimately made me exit the

00:24:49message was just the deaths that ensue as a result of these divine healing sort

00:24:55of beliefs that they have. So first, they believe we can't get it. And then they

00:24:59get it. And then we're gonna faith heal our way out of it. And then they die,

00:25:05right? I mean, it's un-be-lievable. It is unbelievable. And somehow that doesn't

00:25:11wake a lot of people up. That's really, really hard to wrap your mind around

00:25:15that. So moving on here to the next grave, John, I think this is the eighth

00:25:20one we're gonna look at. This one is another one. It's kind of a, this looks

00:25:26kind of weird when you just look at it if you're just an average person. So he's

00:25:30got 1 Thessalonians 4.16 wrote on his grave, which says, For the Lord himself

00:25:35shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with

00:25:40the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. And then we see he's

00:25:44got Malachi 4, 5, and 6 on one side, Revelation 10, 7 on the other. And you

00:25:49know that, to the average person that just looks like, well, that's an odd

00:25:51thing to put on a grave, but it's a Bible verse. But when we see this, John, you and

00:25:56I understand all the significance of this, right? To the message believer, the

00:26:02word shout in that verse is the message. So when they see shout, shall descend

00:26:07from heaven with a shout. That's the message. And for the deity cult, when they say the

00:26:12Lord himself, they're talking about William Branham. William Branham

00:26:15descended with the message. That is basically how the deity cult would read

00:26:20this verse. And then they would say the voice of the archangel, well, they say

00:26:23that's him in Revelation 10, 7, and they say he's also Revelation 10, 7, and with

00:26:27the trump of God. But look, it says, and the dead in Christ shall rise first. And

00:26:31the great irony, John, is this is wrote on a tombstone of a dead person who

00:26:36believes the message. What in the world?

00:26:41Well, and I think that's the point, right? So I grew up in the deity cult not

00:26:47knowing that it was, number one, not knowing it was a cult, but not knowing

00:26:51that we were a subset of elitists in the cult that was better than the rest of

00:26:56the cult, or thought that we were better. But that's the way it is. When you are

00:27:03believing that William Branham is going to rise up out of this pyramid tombstone,

00:27:08and you go back to the Bible, the dead in Christ will rise first, well, if you're

00:27:12in that elitist group, you want to be associated with that because you're one

00:27:17of the ones that's going to pop out of the grave with him. And a lot of

00:27:21Christians believe in the resurrection, that's fine, but the order of events in

00:27:26this deity cult is, again, they're replacing Jesus with William Branham. So

00:27:32the order of events, whenever William Branham is coming to lead the people

00:27:37back home, he is having a subset of a resurrection before the Christian

00:27:43resurrection. And there is nowhere in the Bible that supports this, Charles.

00:27:48No, you're right, John. And you know what? I think you're spot on, right? That this

00:27:52person, this is their hope of resurrection right here. And this is why

00:27:56they've buried themselves as close to that Lord as possible, because they

00:28:02believe their hope of resurrection is actually vested in William Branham, right?

00:28:06And so, it's at the end of the day, John, it is really so sad. It is so

00:28:14sad. This person's hopes of being resurrected at the Second Coming is that

00:28:22they're buried next to William Branham, and that they believed his message, and

00:28:27that he was the shout that they heard, which is going to raise them from the

00:28:31dead. That's really, I think, where they're going with this, is, I heard the

00:28:35shout from the Lord that descended from heaven, and I am going to raise from the

00:28:39dead, is what they're trying to say here. And one other thing that's kind of

00:28:43absurd when you think about it, they all want to be real close to the body. In

00:28:48other words, we have such a limited, powerless God, that if we're farther away

00:28:53from the body, like if we're in a cemetery somewhere else, we might

00:28:57get missed. So we want to be right here by the prophet with this stuff.

00:29:01Absolutely. Have you ever wondered how the Pentecostal movement started, or how

00:29:06the progression of modern Pentecostalism transitioned through the latter reign,

00:29:10Charismatic and other fringe movements, into the New Apostolic Reformation? You

00:29:16can learn this and more on William Branham Historical Research's website

00:29:20william-branham.org. On the books page of the website, you can find the

00:29:26compiled research of John Collins, Charles Paisley, Stephen Montgomery, John

00:29:31MacKinnon, and others, with links to the paper, audio, and digital versions of each

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00:29:55listening to or watching. On behalf of William Branham Historical Research, we

00:29:59want to thank you for your support. Some of these tombs were graves we're

00:30:03looking at, the people who are buried here are from thousands and thousands of

00:30:08miles away from Jeffersonville. And they're thousands and thousands away

00:30:12from their hometown to be buried, so they can be close to the Prophet. It's

00:30:17crazy, John. It's crazy. And yeah, I mean, it's just, it's so sad at the end of the

00:30:23day to think that your hope of resurrection or your hope of life

00:30:27beyond the grave is vested in a man who, it turned out, was just tricking us all.

00:30:34It's so sad to think about that. Just very sad. It is really sad. And again, this

00:30:43is an embarrassing podcast because I probably would not have gone so far as

00:30:48to put something on my tombstone, but that doesn't mean that my family

00:30:51wouldn't have. You know, I would have, even in the cult, I looked at some of this

00:30:56and I was like, you know, I've read my Bible. I don't, even though I, and this is

00:31:02hard to explain, even though I unknowingly worshiped this dead

00:31:07false prophet guy, I also believe that it was wrong to worship somebody besides

00:31:12Jesus Christ. If there's any way I can make sense of that, I haven't found it

00:31:17yet, but that's the way I was. And I would have never wanted something like this on

00:31:22my tombstone, but that doesn't mean that when I died my family wouldn't have put

00:31:25it on there, because the whole, the family units are trapped in this thing. And

00:31:30usually it's a family unit where somebody knew William Branham directly.

00:31:35They had some sort of connection to William Branham, and that's really what

00:31:40formed the nucleus of this deity cult. Maybe moving on to the next one, I

00:31:45think this is the ninth one we're gonna look at. You see on this family's

00:31:51tombstone, it says, they believed Brother Branham and it was accounted to them for

00:31:55righteousness. Okay, now of course, if you think of the Bible verse, the

00:32:00Bible verse says they believed on Jesus and it was accounted to them for

00:32:05righteousness, right? Okay, so it's very, this is one that's very, very obvious

00:32:11that they are saying William Branham is Jesus, right? They believed, because this

00:32:16is a verse about Abraham, right? Abraham, I think the Apostle Paul says, he

00:32:20believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. So they're

00:32:23really, no bones about it, no way about it, there's no way around it, they are

00:32:28putting William Branham into the role of God and they're saying that their

00:32:33faith in him is the righteousness on which they are hoping to have made it to

00:32:40heaven. Things like that for me are just, I have to scratch my head and wonder

00:32:45what in the world were they thinking? Because even in the deity cult, that

00:32:50would have been considered wrong. In the deity cult, Charles, there was this thing

00:32:54where you said things like this in private, but you would never say it in

00:32:59public. And so here's, for the rest of, you know, the rest of the time while there

00:33:05is people living on earth that visit this tombstone, or visit the cemetery,

00:33:10they're gonna see this tombstone, and there is no secret about this. They are

00:33:14openly declaring that Jesus Christ came down in the form of William Branham, and

00:33:19that was the return of Christ. It's unbelievable, John, and you just feel so

00:33:24sad for people like this. And what's really sad is there's still a lot of

00:33:28people in the Jeffersonville area, they absolutely believe this way. I mean, they

00:33:32do to this day, right? Some of them will be public about it, some of them are

00:33:36private about it, but they believe Brother Branham, and they believe that is

00:33:42their righteousness. Which, again, this is of course obviously the absolute

00:33:46opposite of the Bible, right? This is the definition of putting your hope of

00:33:51salvation in a man, this is the definition of making William Branham

00:33:54your Savior, this is the definition of making William Branham your God. Yeah, and

00:34:01in terms of true Christianity, I mean, there's just no hope in something

00:34:06like this, and it is so, so sad. So, so sad. It is sad, and I'll keep repeating this

00:34:13through the whole show, but it's also embarrassing, Charles. I know, you know, and

00:34:18again, for all of the New Apostolic Reformation folks, this is where the

00:34:22gravesokens happen. I mean, come on, what in the world here? And here's the

00:34:27thing, John, these people are all, I mean, you cannot walk past William Branham's

00:34:31grave without seeing all these other graves around it. And this next one

00:34:35I'm about to show, John, is immediately adjacent. So what is behind this

00:34:40grave that you can't see is William Branham's giant pyramid. This one is so

00:34:44massive, and it's not obvious that it's massive in the picture, but this is a

00:34:47massive, massive stone. This is as big as William Branham's grave itself, which

00:34:52it's big enough to block it behind it. But we've talked about Ben Bryant before

00:34:59in our podcast, who was a World War II veteran who received an injury in the

00:35:05war, he had some mental issues, but he was a fairly prominent member of the early

00:35:10tabernacle community. Well, this is his wife. And I've heard stories, actually,

00:35:15about this grave. Apparently, you know, can I say this is true? I don't know, but

00:35:20this is a story from Doc Branham, William Branham's brother. He claimed

00:35:24that this was his grave site, and Ben Bryant somehow stole it from him and

00:35:28buried his wife in it so he could be closer to the Prophet. Okay? And so this

00:35:35is Ben Bryant's wife in perhaps Doc Branham's stolen gravesite right next to

00:35:41William Branham. The stories about this, them particularly, John, are some of the

00:35:48funniest message stories. I've heard some of the Doc Branham stories, and you know,

00:35:52some of them are true, so I'm not gonna say that it's not. Doc Branham is buried

00:35:59near William Branham, and he don't have any crazy deity quotes on his

00:36:03tombstone, but I think he knew the truth about who his brother was. But here

00:36:09she is, and it says, a believer in Malachi 4, 5, and 6, Luke 17, 30, Revelation 10,

00:36:16and 7, and her beloved prophet, brother William M. Branham. And it again goes on

00:36:24to say, she kept his saying and believed his word, and by the shining smile she

00:36:29left behind, we were assured that she had not seen death, okay we're looking at

00:36:34her tombstone, had not seen death, thus was the promise made to all mankind. And

00:36:40there's so much, so much a person could say about that, but so many times I have

00:36:47been to these funerals where people, the way that's wrote, John, this lady had a

00:36:51healing. She had a healing promise on her, right? She had a promise that she would

00:36:56live to the rapture, right? And so this phrase is explaining away the promise on

00:37:02her that she was supposed to live to the rapture and see the second coming. Well

00:37:04she didn't really die. She didn't really die. That's what this, this is trying to

00:37:08paper over for us. It is like positive confession on hyperdrive, man. Not only,

00:37:15you know, many people, they, they're sick, and they're obviously sick, and they will

00:37:19tell you that I'm not sick because this false prophet guy told me that I'm not

00:37:24sick, and therefore I'm not, and I'll be healed because I continue to tell you

00:37:29that I'm not sick. Well then they die, and well I have not died because he said

00:37:34I was healed, and I never got healed. It is the positive confession of a false

00:37:38prophet. Precisely, and what, what in this case specifically with this family, again

00:37:46is it true, is it not true? It's hard to say, but according to Ben Bryant, William

00:37:50Branham had given him and his wife personal prophecies that they would live

00:37:54to see the second coming. And so again, they're, they're trying to somehow say

00:38:01she didn't die in order to rectify, in order to to get along with William

00:38:06Branham's prophecy. Now on the backside of, of her grave, here's, there's a whole long

00:38:12epitaph here, and I'll read it. It's a really lovely poem. There's a lot of nice

00:38:17poets in the message. I bet I could guess who wrote this one, but it says, it

00:38:22says the prophet William Branham. One day I heard of a prophet. This is her

00:38:26testimony. One day I heard of a prophet whose message went straight to the Word.

00:38:30Back to the Bible he took us with his, thus saith the Lord. I thought that those

00:38:36days were over and all of God's prophets were dead, but God gave his vindication a

00:38:42pillar of fire over his head, which nobody saw, right? And he preached

00:38:48predestination and baptism in Jesus' name, divine healing, the seed of the serpent,

00:38:52serpent seed made this grave, John, and that God is forever the same. The sick

00:38:58and the blind and the crippled, the possessed, the deaf and the lost, came by

00:39:01the thousands to see him while he preached the Word at any cost. So he

00:39:06sacrificed his ministry for this, basically, there. Malachi 4 told us he was

00:39:11coming and God's Word will never fail. As he left us he gave us a promise, once

00:39:16more I will ride this trail. So who is this? This is return ministry. She's

00:39:21telling us here her belief that she believes in the resurrection of William

00:39:24Branham to finish up his ministry. I don't know what's fixing to happen, for

00:39:30God's way we can't understand, but we'll stand on his Word till he calls us with

00:39:35the bride to that heavenly land. So again, it's William Branham they're

00:39:40expecting to raise up out of the grave and take him to heaven. And you're gonna

00:39:44get this really clear here in this last part. A tent and a complete

00:39:48transformation in a vision our prophet did see. Though he's gone, it will be

00:39:54completed. It's a promise and thus shall it be.

00:39:57It's thus saith the Lord. So this lady is saying the tent vision is thus

00:40:01saith the Lord. William Branham's coming back from the grave. He's gonna ride the

00:40:04trail again. We're gonna have a tent meeting. Hey, I'm gonna be resurrected.

00:40:08I'm not really dead. And prophets gonna take us to heaven. That is what this all

00:40:13means in the loaded language of the cult. There's so many emotions, man, because I

00:40:18believed every single aspect of that. And I find out just not just how

00:40:23wrong, but how horrific some of that is. Like, I don't know if you've noticed

00:40:29this, but after it was about the time that Todd Bentley, once he was exposed

00:40:36for the Manifested Sons of God and all of this weird thing that was coming out,

00:40:41whenever the Southern Poverty Law Center tied the Manifested Sons of God

00:40:47theology from Todd Bentley, Paul Cain, and others directly to Christian identity

00:40:51and white supremacy, the whole thing just kind of went underground. Like, I don't

00:40:57know if it was the same for you, but there were churches in the main sect of

00:40:59the message that they, if they taught serpent seed, they didn't really openly

00:41:04discuss what it was. They would just casually mention serpent seed. But it kind

00:41:09of went underground, right? So, I don't know the date. I'd have to go

00:41:14back and look at that photograph. But I'm wondering, did she die before it was

00:41:18exposed or after? Would she have put that on her grave if she knew that this was

00:41:22tied to domestic terrorism? I don't know. But it's kind of weird, man. I would say,

00:41:29you know, given the timing and that they are one of the oldest message families,

00:41:34I would say it's pretty impossible that they did not know what serpent seed was

00:41:38all about. I find it pretty hard that this family in particular could not have

00:41:44known what it was. And you're right, it did go underground. It kind of, I would

00:41:48say it was mid-80s, certainly, certainly by then. Maybe the early 80s.

00:41:55There was very little mention of the, publicly, the racial elements of serpent

00:42:00seed after that. It was entirely all shared privately after that. But all of

00:42:05the recordings where it was preached publicly in a racial way, I would say are

00:42:09before the mid-80s. After that, it's private. It's in, it's still there, you

00:42:14know, it's still there just below the surface and you just got to connect the

00:42:17dots. But yeah, back in this time and the age of this family and how far they go

00:42:23back, I would find it hard to believe they did not understand what serpent

00:42:27seed was. And the fact, even the tent vision made it on this lady's

00:42:32tombstone. It just goes to show the way that these things were believed. And you

00:42:38got to remember, too, these people knew William Branham personally. Their

00:42:41expectations on this tent and all this are because William Branham set them

00:42:45personally. Like, this family, William Branham said, when I get my tent, this is

00:42:48gonna be your jobs in my new tent. And they carried these promises with them,

00:42:53right? And so when they have a very personal connection to all these things,

00:42:58they're not someone far off, distant, just reading into things. No, William Branham

00:43:02told these things to them personally, privately, private interviews, different

00:43:06things. And that's where they got these, these beliefs from. Yeah, and my

00:43:11grandfather, you know, I grew up hearing about this tent vision thing. For anybody

00:43:16who is unfamiliar with, when we say this phrase tent vision, we assume everybody's

00:43:21from the message. But to the people who are outside of the Branham cult looking

00:43:25in, William Branham began to claim, once he went completely off his rocker, that

00:43:31the way in which your swift ticket to heaven would happen is that suddenly there

00:43:40would be, there was this end of days race war that was coming. He talked about

00:43:45this, I think only one time on tape, but I'm certain all the leadership knew

00:43:49about it. But regardless, all of the tent ministry people, they call them, they

00:43:55all believe there was this sudden end of days conflict and it would be very, very

00:43:59difficult for you to physically reach William Branham. So when I made the

00:44:05comment earlier about people who were buried in the proximity, it's because of

00:44:08the tent vision thing. It would be very difficult to get to William Branham. And

00:44:14if you did, and you made it into this tent, then you had to make it a second step

00:44:20into this little room in the tent where William Branham himself, not Jesus, would

00:44:25give you your new body and then you would pass through to the other side. And so

00:44:30at that point, even though you're not going to find many references, at least not

00:44:36the full explanation of that on recording, because it's all been cut out, they've

00:44:41cut it all out. But my grandfather and many of the people who were there with

00:44:46William Branham that were in my grandfather's inner circle, they all, through

00:44:51the mouth of, I don't know how many, 20 witnesses, they all claim that that's

00:44:55what William Branham told them all in private. And I believe that William

00:45:00Branham even said it sometimes in the tabernacle. And he had, a lot of people

00:45:04don't know this either, Charles, but he had this button on the pulpit where he

00:45:09could pause the recording while he was saying some of the more absurd things

00:45:13and then let it up. And to the listener, you would never catch it. You can go

00:45:18back and you can see the waveform kind of go and stop and then start up again.

00:45:23So if you know how to work with a wave file, you can see some of these things.

00:45:27But he would pause it. And I think he cut it out of all of the recordings except

00:45:31for just a couple of places. But all of these people believed that you had to be

00:45:36right here. Tent Vision was going to happen. William Branham would give you

00:45:39your new body. And then, you know, in the end, I don't think that there was an

00:45:45actual return of Jesus. William Branham was the return of Jesus to those people.

00:45:49You hit the nail on the head, John. I mean, it is, you're spot on with the

00:45:53beliefs of the early message community in that way. And I believe we covered the

00:45:59Tent Vision specifically in a prior episode in the podcast. I think it was

00:46:03the one Death Taxes and Swimming Pools was the title of the episode where we

00:46:08walked through all the Tent Vision. So if you're listening and you want a deep

00:46:12dive into what that was all about, Death Taxes and Swimming Pools was the the

00:46:16title of the episode where we talked all about the Tent Vision and what all that

00:46:22meant. So kind of, I guess, going to the to the next one, this might be the last

00:46:27one we look at. I'm not sure here how much more time we got. But so this one is

00:46:31The Grave of Roy Borders. Roy Borders was one of the senior leaders in the

00:46:37message community. And just a quick, a few little links for this guy. This man was

00:46:41working with George Houghton in the late 1940s. So the man who, he

00:46:46was connected to the very heart of Latter Rain from the very beginning.

00:46:49This man was on the platform and eulogized William Branham at the

00:46:54Full Gospel Convention with the Full Gospel Businessmen. Next to T.L. Osborne

00:46:59who was saying William Branham was God in the flesh, okay? He was right, he's

00:47:03right there. This is who this man is. He's a very important figure in the message

00:47:06community. He ends up running spoken word publications, which eventually merged

00:47:11into Voice of God. And he was a full-fledged member of the deity cult.

00:47:16Okay? And so this is who this man is. Anyways, you see on his tombstone just

00:47:24all kinds of loaded language. And I'll just point out one of them, the first one

00:47:28here on the left is, it says, the spoken word is the original seed. And then on

00:47:33the other side it says, but in the days of the voice. And so those are two really

00:47:39interesting loaded languages that are on this guy's tombstone. And the spoken word

00:47:44is the original seed is one of William Branham's sermons. And there is so much

00:47:49in this sermon, John, that is, I mean, that sermon is the blueprint for Word of

00:47:55Faith. It is the blueprint for little gods. It's all, that sermon is basically

00:48:03the core beliefs of all kinds of people, right? And it originates in the message.

00:48:09And I think not a lot of people realize that. But when he says the spoken word,

00:48:13he's talking about the Word of Faith. The spoken word, the word spoken by the power

00:48:16of faith, you know, the spoken word, he says is the original seed. That's saying

00:48:22it has the power to bring forth, to create, you know. When you speak, it's like

00:48:26planting the seed that will grow into what you have spoken. That's the basic

00:48:30concept of it. But it's, yeah, it's, this is a Word of Faith phrase in message

00:48:34terminology. And there was also part of the advertising and marketing. You can

00:48:39find all sorts of books and sermons with that, you know, with that phraseology. And,

00:48:46you know, we've often made the comparison about how Word of Faith had so many ties

00:48:52back to William Branham and the message. And every time we make that statement,

00:48:56we get all of these people who are in the Word of Faith cult, and they'll say,

00:49:00they reject it. And they say, no, there's no ties. But if you take everything

00:49:04that William Branham said about this back, you're going to find that, number

00:49:08one, most of it came from F.F. Bosworth. And number two, most of what Bosworth

00:49:13had came directly from Dowie. And in the end, what you have is, they're somewhat

00:49:19It didn't originate with William Branham. But this was a thing that was growing from

00:49:24nasty cult systems before it developed into the Word of Faith.

00:49:28You are exactly right. So not only was Kenneth Hagen and T.L. Osborne and the early leaders

00:49:32of Word of Faith working directly with William Branham while he was still living on the platform,

00:49:38Roy Borders continued to work with a lot of them after William Branham died, right?

00:49:42And William Branham, Roy Borders was still working with T.L. Osborne after William Branham died.

00:49:47Roy Borders was still connected to Kenneth Hagen after William Branham died.

00:49:51These connections went on. And if you look, for example, that sermon,

00:49:54the original, the spoken word is the original seed. Those are the positive confession,

00:49:59Word of Faith ideas. It's all about the rhema and the logos and all of these things,

00:50:04the power to create, you know? That's all invested. It's all in these things. And yeah,

00:50:11Roy Borders was still working with these people. These links went on after William Branham died.

00:50:16You know, William Branham didn't create any of these beliefs, right? But he is the person and

00:50:21his ministry is what introduced these beliefs to the Kenneth Hagens of the world, to the T.L.

00:50:27Osborne's of the world. And if you actually go back and analyze their sayings, I mean,

00:50:32for the most part, they're pretty honest about where they learned the stuff, right?

00:50:35And they'll say, yeah, it's E.W. Kenyon stuff, but you'll find places where they

00:50:40admit it's E.W. Kenyon stuff that we learned at the Branham campaigns, okay?

00:50:45He was the middleman. And where did E.W. Kenyon get it? He was up there with Zion and Dowey and

00:50:49all of the... It's just, it's the same stream of thought, you know, continuing on forward. So,

00:50:55again, just odd stuff. And then on the other side, it says, but in the days of the voice,

00:51:00in the days of the voice, so that's Revelation 10, 7, in the days of the voice

00:51:05of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished.

00:51:09So they're saying William Branham was that voice finishing the mystery of God.

00:51:13And so they're proclaiming this on his tombstone. And yeah, it's just, it's so odd. And I think that

00:51:21the odd people, people walking through these cemeteries have got to look at this and say,

00:51:25what in the world is this? I mean, what, who puts this on a tombstone? This is an odd thing

00:51:31to put on a tombstone. And you look at this, there's nothing about Jesus on here at all.

00:51:37What in the world?

00:51:39Yeah, I mean, it's like a horror movie, man. Your family member dies and they get buried next to

00:51:45this and forever when these people come to visit, you know, the tombstone and lay flowers or whatever

00:51:51forever, they have to look at these things. And Charles, it's an eyesore.

00:51:56So the very last grave, I think maybe we'll point out before we wrap this one up is I took a picture

00:52:01of Billy Paul's grave, John, just in case nobody has seen it. It's probably the newest addition

00:52:07to the Eastern Cemetery. It's right near his father's grave. And what I want to point out

00:52:12to you about Billy Paul's grave is that Billy Paul don't believe the message. There is not a single,

00:52:19there is not a single crazy message quote on his grave. Do you think that's interesting, John?

00:52:25That there's not a, so all of these other message graves all around have everything all over them,

00:52:31right? They have, you know, the Hebrews 3, 13, 8, they have Malachi 4, 5 and 6.

00:52:38Billy Paul didn't put it on his grave. What in the world?

00:52:42Billy Paul didn't believe the message. Give me a break. He never believed this thing. I mean,

00:52:46and I think, I think, John, you would probably agree with me. I mean, he was a put on his entire

00:52:51life. He never believed this. He knew this thing was a joke. He was in on it. He saw behind the

00:52:56scenes. He played along his entire life. And just like all of these other people are declaring to

00:53:02us with their tombstones what they believed, so is Billy Paul declaring to us what he did not

00:53:07believe with his tombstone. Thank you, Billy Paul, at least in death, for confirming to us what we

00:53:13always knew. Yeah. And the irony, Charles, I'm going to throw one other tombstone in here with

00:53:20you is the tombstone of my grandfather. For anybody who is unaware, my grandfather was the

00:53:26pastor of the Branham Tabernacle for 50 something years until, until I started publishing the tax

00:53:33records. And there was this big outcry. A lot of people don't know this. In fact, Charles, I don't

00:53:40know if I fully mentioned all of this on when we did the series, but when I started publishing the

00:53:45tax records and people saw the sheer volume of money flowing through this thing and how,

00:53:55I'll just use the word unethical. We'll, we'll, we'll leave it at that. And you can draw your

00:54:00own conclusions of what I actually wanted to say. There were deacons who were in the Branham

00:54:05Tabernacle who fully were aware that I was publishing all of this research about William

00:54:12Branham and was one of the very loudest outspoken persons against the cult who started contacting

00:54:19and working with me to understand where all the money was going. I've never told this,

00:54:27but they were working with me and I was telling them how to go into the courthouse, what room,

00:54:33you know, I was giving them full directions and drawing maps. You go here, you look in this table.

00:54:37And back then, all of those records were in the Clark County courthouse and you just walk in and

00:54:42take a snapshot with your phone or pay for a copy. And so they, they found out that

00:54:49things were not as they seemed. And while, while that massive amount of money was coming in,

00:54:55we're talking, I think it was hundreds of millions of dollars. It was, and that was just in one

00:55:01single thread of the money. That wasn't the whole thing that one single thread of the money was a

00:55:06hundred million dollars. Well, at the same time they have this much money and assets,

00:55:13they're saying that they have no money and they're having all the children, my children

00:55:17participated in this. We're having penny jar drives for Jesus so we can collect your pennies.

00:55:24And what they're doing is they're indoctrinating the children to give them money. Really,

00:55:27that's all it was. But people, especially deacons, they start scratching their head.

00:55:31Why are they asking for pennies when they've got millions, maybe billions of dollars?

00:55:38And so they, there was an outcry and my grandfather and, you know, the whole deacon

00:55:44board resigned. My grandfather resigned. You can go to my website, you can type in resignation.

00:55:49You can listen to their speeches where they're talking about, one deacon said,

00:55:54I just got to ask, where is the money? And it's, it's sad. But anyway, here's my grandfather's

00:56:02tombstone. And he, he believed that William Branham, well, he may have believed he at least

00:56:10proclaimed that William Branham was going to come and rise up out of that grave before he died

00:56:16while he was still pastor of the Branham Tabernacle. And there were numerous of private prophet

00:56:23prophecies about when William Branham rose up out of this tombstone to visit my grandmother and

00:56:29my grandfather and to visit my aunt and my uncle. Those were prophecies that you're not going to

00:56:35find on recording, but in the mouth of two or three witnesses, this was a thing. So he had on

00:56:41his tombstone him standing in front of the Branham Tabernacle. And this tombstone was made before

00:56:49he resigned. And long story short, it looks very much like the voice of God kicked him out. You

00:56:57know, you can't be saying these things. You can't be investigating in our money. I don't know what

00:57:01happened that led to this. But my assumption based off of everything that I know is they couldn't

00:57:07stop the questions about money. And so they had to put a stop to my grandfather. So here on his

00:57:12tombstone is him standing in front of the church that he wasn't preaching at when he died.

00:57:18Billy Paul was doing inappropriate financial maneuvering from the moment William Branham died.

00:57:26And I've actually been working on some documentation around that for the next volume of my

00:57:32next book, John. One day, maybe we can record a full episode on that and kind of walk through

00:57:40how Billy Paul did a lot of the things that he did. But you're right. I mean, it's just a money

00:57:45racket for certain people. And they made a lot of money out of it. And so, you know, as you think

00:57:50about all these graves here in Eastern Cemetery, you know, if you're in the message, and you're

00:57:55just cringing, right, all the people who pretend there is no Deedee cult, I bet you're cringing,

00:57:59you know, hey, I mean, we didn't mean you didn't invent all these tombstones, did we, John? I mean,

00:58:04the Deedee cult is a real, it is alive, it is well, it is thriving today in the Jeffersonville

00:58:11area. And there will continue to be more graves like this. And for all the people who are elderly,

00:58:16hey, save your kids some embarrassment and don't put these weird things on your gravestone when

00:58:20you go, you know, come on, please. Just let it, don't do that no more. Come on. And then as far,

00:58:28John, as all these NAR people, New Apostolic Reformation people come in here, what in the

00:58:33world are you soaking up in this cemetery? Good gracious. Even half the message knows you don't

00:58:39go, I mean, we didn't go to these, my sect of the message would not come to these places. It's

00:58:43like a spook house to us because the Deedee cult has so, what in the world? What in the world?

00:58:50Well, not just to the graves, man. So, these people, these NAR leaders, and I'm talking some

00:58:56pretty big name people, they visit the Branham's, they visit this place, they see the Deedee worship.

00:59:02And then the Branham family, I'm not going to name names, but you will find YouTube videos of

00:59:08these guys out there who the Branham's are giving private tours. They're that connected to the

00:59:14Branham organization, even still today. I mean, we talked about, back when we were talking about

00:59:20Kenneth Hagen and T.L. Osborne and that series of podcasts, they were financially connected.

00:59:25They were business organizations established wherein the Voice of God Recordings, which is

00:59:30the Branham Deedee cult headquarters, and the Kenneth Hagen organization were both in the same

00:59:37business financial papers. And same thing with T.L. Osborne, who T.L. Osborne said that William

00:59:43Branham was God in the flesh at his eulogy. So, these guys know the Deedee cult exists,

00:59:50and for some reason the NAR wants to be part of it. That's the part for me, Charles, that

00:59:55it just boggles my mind. You cannot embrace William Branham without embracing this part of his

01:00:03ministry, right? William Branham declared himself to be God on tape, okay? It's on tape. He had a

01:00:10whole inner circle of loyal people who worshipped him as God is the flesh for close to a decade,

01:00:17at least a decade of his life. And he's the one who gave all them the power over all the

01:00:24message institutions before he died. And so, you cannot, I mean, for all of the stuff a person

01:00:30might do, you cannot separate that from what William Branham did. And that colors his whole

01:00:37ministry. I mean, you see that's how he ended up. He could not have possibly started good. Like,

01:00:42you don't accidentally stumble into telling everybody you're God, you know, and letting

01:00:46people worship you as God. You don't accidentally get there, right? I mean, that is, and people

01:00:51don't accidentally get themselves there either. They have to be led into that. It's so sad. It

01:00:58is just so sad, John. Yeah. So, hey, I hope everyone enjoyed our stroll through Eastern

01:01:04Cemetery today, looking at some tombstones. It's really sad to see all the stuff on it, but hey,

01:01:13you've got a little glimpse. There's so many more we could have did, but I think this is enough to

01:01:18get the point across. There is a deity cult. Absolutely. The point has been made. So,

01:01:25if you've enjoyed our show and you want more information, you can check us out on the web.

01:01:28You can find us at william-branham.org and christiangospelchurch.org. For an overview

01:01:34of the historical research of William Branham and the healing revivals, read Preacher Behind

01:01:39the White Hoods, A Critical Examination of William Branham and His Message,

01:01:43available on Amazon, Kindle, and Audible.

01:02:13So,

01:02:43bye.

NAR Grave Soaking Exposed: The Deity Cult Tombstones - Episode 160 Branham Research Podcast

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