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Join A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, and Kwani Lunis on The Big 3 NBA Podcast as they delve into the future of the Boston Celtics focusing on the announced sale and the team's strategic moves.   They begin by discussing the retirement of Kemba Walker, which was announced yesterday via social media. Despite challenges integrating Walker, his legacy shines through his character and sportsmanship.  They analyze the impact of recent contract extensions for players like Derrick White and Jayson Tatum, highlighting the team's balancing act between talent and financial constraints. The impending sale of the Celtics adds a new layer of intrigue, raising questions about the team's direction under new ownership. Tune in for insights on roster management, financial decisions, and the competitive landscape of the NBA, including discussions on player development and personal dynamics within the league.  0:00 - Kemba's Retriement 9:13 - Surprise contract success 11:00 - Celtics for sale 17:59 - Estate planning considerations 20:08 - Impact of new team owner 26:55 - Drafting Baylor's Scheierman 32:00 - Setting up for success 35:25 - Detroit's Contract Surprises 36:56 - Detroit's Roster Concerns 39:26 - Klay Thompson's Move to Dallas 44:44 - Bronny's Fast-Tracked Development 46:52 - Future Uncertainty in the League    CLNS Media is Powered by:   Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!   Gametime - https://gametime.co  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Elevate your style game on and off the course with the PXG Spring Summer 2024 collection. Head over to https://PXG.com/GARDENREPORT and save 10% on all apparel.  Nutrafol Men! Take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to https://Nutrafol.com/MEN and enter the promo code GARDEN!   #celtics #NBA #BostonCeltics The CLNS Media Network is the leading provider for video/audio content. CLNS is a fully credentialed member of the media with access to all NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB teams & venues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  CLNS' rebuilt their YouTube community in less than 12 months, during a pandemic that attacked sports. Wondering how? Find out here (and support our channel) - https://www.tubebuddy.com/clnsmedia  Visit the Official Home of CLNS Sports Coverage -  https://clnsmedia.com  Twitter - https://twitter.com/CLNSMedia Celtics - https://twitter.com/celticsclns Patriots - https://twitter.com/patriotsclns Bruins - https://twitter.com/bruinsclns Red Sox - https://twitter.com/redsoxclns Non-Sports - https://twitter.com/northstation

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00:25Welcome to the Big 3 NBA Podcast, the NBA season may be over, but as you know, we never

00:30sleep here on the Big 3 NBA Podcast.

00:34First on the agenda, congratulations to Kemba Walker, who actually announced his retirement

00:39via social media on Tuesday, 12 seasons, four-time All-Star, Charlotte Hornets all-time leading

00:46scorer.

00:47Obviously, Gary and Sherrod, we got a chance to know him here in Boston.

00:51So what is your reaction to his retirement?

00:53Good dude.

00:55I mean, the thing about Kemba Walker, when I think about him, I think about him as a

00:58person more than a player.

01:00He was a hell of a player when he was in Charlotte.

01:02Wasn't as good here in Boston, but just a genuinely good dude.

01:05I remember, you know, there were times where, you know, after he had left Boston, we'd run

01:11into him on the road.

01:12And he was just, again, no ill will toward Boston for, you know, for parting ways with

01:18him.

01:19And just genuinely, you talk to people like Kemba Walker, and again, as much as he gave

01:23so many cats buckets.

01:25And I know that because when he was at UConn, he gave my Qs plenty of buckets.

01:31He's a genuinely good dude.

01:32Shut up, Gary.

01:33Nobody asked you your opinion.

01:34Shut up, Cal.

01:35He didn't even say anything.

01:36Shut up, Gary.

01:37He moved his head like this.

01:38He was dead body language.

01:39Shut up, Gary.

01:40Never lie.

01:41But Kemba's a good dude, man.

01:42Even though he was killing my Qs, he was still a good dude that I had much respect for his

01:51game.

01:52I had much respect for the man.

01:53And I wish him the best of luck in his, you know, post-basketball life.

01:58Hopefully, he stays close to the game.

02:00I would love if he wound up being, you know, a development coach or an assistant coach

02:03on an NBA team.

02:04Celtics might have a spot open, just saying.

02:07Or he might wind himself up on Charles Lee's staff in Charlotte, which would make a lot

02:10of sense if you think about it.

02:13So we'll see what happens with Kemba.

02:14But again, wish him the best of luck, man.

02:17Yeah.

02:19I feel bad for Kemba because this should have worked out better in Boston.

02:23He just wasn't completely healthy.

02:25He was a great alternative to Kyrie Irving, you know, when they went out and got him from

02:33Charlotte and did the sign-and-trade, and it was time to move on for, obviously, from

02:37Kyrie.

02:38And it seemed like he was going to fit perfectly, a perfect, a team guy who hadn't had a lot

02:44of success and was ready to win a championship or make a run at a championship, and it just

02:50didn't in his couple of seasons in Boston that, you know, I mean, you can go back to

02:55that Chicago All-Star game where I think he kind of played on a bad knee, and he was never

03:01the same.

03:02That first half of that season, the 18-19 season, I thought was tremendous, and it looked

03:09like it was going to work, and then he was just not the same player that I remember in

03:13the bubble.

03:15Toronto coach Nick Nurse kept going at him on the pick-and-roll and kind of exposing

03:20him because he had lost a step, and then, you know, he tried, you know, to come back

03:28again the next year and tried to push it, and it just wasn't going to work.

03:32And I know he tried to hang on, went to the Knicks for a minute and had a couple of good

03:39games with them, and, you know, it didn't work out there either.

03:43And then I know last year, I think he played in Monaco, played overseas.

03:46So I mean, he probably could have kept playing internationally and played until he was 40,

03:52but I think for him to go out on his own terms, and I think it's a lesson that not everything

03:59is promised.

04:00In 34, you know, Kimba's not old.

04:02I mean, there's plenty of 34-year-olds in the league, Clay Thompson, 34, Paul George,

04:0734.

04:09It just depends on how well your body treats you and how well you take care of your body.

04:14And sometimes the bad luck, and I think Kimba was always in great shape and was always a,

04:18you know, that first step was a killer.

04:20But then once that knee started to bother him, he lost a step, and, you know, it was

04:26hard.

04:27So I applaud him for going out on his own terms.

04:31I wish that it worked out better with the Celtics because he deserved that.

04:34He deserved to make a real run in the championship.

04:37You know, he got the Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals in the bubble, but it's

04:42just obvious, unfortunately, that he wasn't the same player, and I've seen him as much

04:49as, I don't know if Kimba cooked the Celtics as much as he cooked Syracuse.

04:56Shut up, Gary.

04:58I don't know about all that, right?

05:01I would assume he cooked Syracuse many, many, many more times than he cooked the Celtics.

05:07But I've definitely seen him cook the Celtics when he was with Charlotte plenty of times.

05:14But it's good to see him.

05:15Hopefully, we'll see, you know, about the Hall of Fame and whether that's in his plans

05:20or in the sights down the road.

05:23And like Sherrod said, what he'll do afterward, I think he has a lot to offer the game.

05:28Inspirational story, kid from New York.

05:30So kudos to Kimba.

05:32I feel bad for him because I think it should have worked out better in Boston.

05:36If his knee holds up, you know, do they have a chance at the championship in the bubble?

05:42Yes, I think they do.

05:45Well, like we mentioned, in general, the Celtics have not necessarily been off cutting checks

05:52in the last few weeks.

05:53Sam Houser option was picked up, $2.1 million, undrafted free agent in 2025.

05:59Luke Cornette re-signed one-year deal.

06:01Cata, new deal, two years.

06:03Derek White, not surprising, he got an extension, four years, 125 mil.

06:08And of course, the big one, Jason Tatum, with the Supermax extension, five years, $314 million.

06:16But all that to say, which deal do you guys like the most and which one do you like the

06:19least?

06:20Which one do you like, Gary?

06:24I don't know if I have one that I like the least.

06:28I think bringing Derek White back was great, you know, because his price was going to continue

06:32to go up as much as he played.

06:34You did not want him to be entering a free agency and you never know what can happen

06:39there.

06:40And he likes Boston.

06:41He's comfortable in his role.

06:43It's been a perfect fit.

06:45So why not just keep him for the long term?

06:47And then, obviously, if you need to trade him in the deal, you probably can because

06:53the prices are all going up.

06:55And trading a guy with a $30 million contract is not as daunting as it was five or six,

07:00seven years ago.

07:02So I think it was a great decision to bring Derek back.

07:04Jason, I think, everybody knew was a foregone conclusion he was going to sign the Supermax.

07:09He's going to be here until the end of the decade at least.

07:13Just finished his seventh year.

07:15He signs a five-year extension that kicks in.

07:18So he's under control of the franchise for another six years.

07:24He has a player option in that fifth year that's, I think, it's $71 million.

07:28So hopefully, we'll still be around and we'll see if he walks away from $71 million.

07:33That's a hell of an option.

07:34I know Paul George opted out of $48 million and people are like, what the hell?

07:39I don't care.

07:40I don't care about those circumstances.

07:42I ain't opting out no $48 million.

07:44Like, you're going to have to...

07:47That's a hard ask.

07:50But Paul George did, and he ended up getting $50 million from the 76ers.

07:55So it worked out.

07:56But man, if I was signing that opt-out, I'd be like, shoot, that's a lot of money.

08:13But good for Jason.

08:15I said, I don't think those are bad deals.

08:18You can bring Sam back.

08:19Sam, you might lose the free agency next summer, or you can work out a deal to bring him back.

08:24But like Sherrod mentioned with that second apron, man, the tax dollars is going to be

08:30a lot.

08:31But you got the foundation to make multiple runs and the wit, gross bet, putting the team

08:39up.

08:40I know it's hard for him, but the team is in a good spot to contend for many years.

08:45And now, as we've seen, we've talked about Philadelphia and New York are both coming

08:50after the Celtics now.

08:53So the Celtics need to reinforce and bring some guys back.

08:56And I'm sure during free agency, when the market kind of starts to level off, they'll

09:02probably bring in a couple of new guys to reinforce their roster.

09:06Yeah.

09:07For me, the contract that I like the most out of all of these is the one that we really

09:13didn't know was going to come to fruition, and that's Cato.

09:17I think he's a really talented young player.

09:20And that's a guy that I think he's going to outperform that contract.

09:26And it was important that they made him a bit, they waived him and then resigned him

09:31to the deal.

09:34Because when you start looking at this roster and you start looking at that frontcourt specifically,

09:38there's a lot of uncertainty as to the direction that they're going to go with their frontcourt.

09:43I mean, Al is getting older.

09:44Porzingis is not going to be there at the start of the season.

09:46And beyond that, it's like, what you going to do?

09:49Your wings and your backcourt are straight.

09:51I mean, those guys are signed, sealed, delivered for years to come.

09:54But what about your frontcourt?

09:55Do you have any young talent that you're developing?

09:57And no disrespect to Luke Cornett, but he is not someone you're developing.

10:02You don't see him as a potential long-term fix for you in the middle.

10:06Whereas Cato, he ain't there yet.

10:09But Cato has the potential to be someone that could help you in a significant manner

10:14down the road.

10:15That deal I like a lot.

10:16The one deal I don't like, that would be our good friend Sam Houser's deal.

10:21And I'll tell you why.

10:23Because Sam was able to be the best version of Sam Houser in the most critical stretch

10:29of your season, the NBA Finals.

10:31And now you are basically, you're putting him out there where he's going to be available

10:37to other teams to bid on.

10:39And there's nothing you can really do to control that, other than outbid them and hope that

10:43you can, you know, keep one of the, I think one of the best, certainly one of, if not

10:48the best, pure shooter on your team in tow down the road.

10:51Now the Celtics, to their credit, they have buffered themselves of the possibility of

10:57losing Sam by what they did in the draft and what they've done in the G League when you

11:01talk about the Peterson kid.

11:03So it's not as if Sam leaves, they don't have any options they can turn to.

11:08But Sam is their best option in that regard.

11:10And Sam is a guy that they have developed and has gotten better.

11:13You look at what he does defensively now.

11:15Some of the things he did in the Finals, which I didn't even know was in his bag, he had

11:19a couple of just dribble-drive pull-ups or mid-range shots.

11:22He starts making that shot, he becomes a double-digit scorer for you easily.

11:28Because his three-point shooting is great, and if he's hitting mid-range shots because

11:32you're closing out too tight on his perimeter game, he becomes a lethal weapon for you.

11:36And that's a guy that's going to have significant value when he hits the open market.

11:40And as we've touched on earlier, that second apron is going to limit the Celtics and what

11:46they can do with some of their players, some of their non-core-slash-franchise players

11:51like Sam Hauser.

11:52So that's why, to me, I really wish they were able to get something done extension-wise

11:57with him, because I just think that his value is going to be significantly greater on the

12:02open market once he hits that and his current contract with the Celtics lapses.

12:08Well, Gary already alluded to it, and I'm sure most Celtics fans have heard by now that

12:13the Celtics are for sale.

12:15Just a few days after winning the banner, there was an announcement that the team is

12:20looking for potential bidders and buyers.

12:23WIC paid $360 million for this team in 2002 for perspective, and now they've won two

12:31championships since.

12:32But why do you think he's selling now and what kind of changes do you foresee a new

12:37ownership group potentially making to this team?

12:40Here's the thing about WIC.

12:42WIC, first and foremost, loves the Celtics.

12:44But beyond that, he's a businessman.

12:47And the value that this team has has not been any greater than it is right now.

12:53And when WIC bought the team, he was very intentional with his goal of winning

12:58championships, plural, not singular.

13:00He's done that.

13:02He's won two championships.

13:03And the Celtics, I mean, they've had at least two, three, possibly three other

13:08opportunities to win championships during the decade and some change.

13:11He's been the majority owner of this team.

13:14So he has done all that an owner is supposed to do in terms of producing a winner,

13:21actually winning championships and keeping your team relevant in the grand ecosystem

13:26of whatever league you're in.

13:27Now it's time to get paid.

13:30If we're just keeping it a buck, the Phoenix Sun sold for like four billion

13:34dollars. The Celtics will easily, easily surpass the five billion dollar mark when

13:41they when they find a bidder.

13:42But to me and Gary and I were talking about this before we went on camera.

13:47My concern with the selling of the team is that it's not going to happen as quickly

13:52as some people might think.

13:53When you look at the Celtics, you look at the history, you look at the reputation,

13:56you look at all the things that make them who they are.

13:59They are NBA royalty.

14:02Let's be real about that.

14:04That comes at a significantly high price, even if they weren't any good.

14:08The fact that they are at the top of the food, top of the food chain right now,

14:13they're they could potentially get six billion dollars for this team.

14:16Now, there are not a lot of individuals or groups or entities that will have the

14:21ability to pay that kind of money.

14:23Throw on the fact that you are not going to make a profit off of this team anytime

14:28soon because of that second apron status that they're going to have for a while.

14:33And you're not going to be able to to necessarily significantly grow internally

14:37because because of that second apron that you are past, you're going to have

14:42limitations on what you can do with your roster.

14:44You're going to have limitations on what you can do in terms of free agents and

14:47signing and your draft picks.

14:49So there are some some issues that the Celtics are going to have coming up

14:55because of they went all in and cut all those checks as we talked, as you mentioned

14:59earlier, plenty, but make no mistake about it.

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16:27Yeah, I think, um, with wick, he wants to work out.

16:30It sounds like some, some, uh, remember wicks father is the one who's 90 years

16:36old now is kind of the money man.

16:38And, um, wick is set, settling some family estate situations.

16:46And, and, you know, I'm sure being in the second apron doesn't help.

16:51Because it's expensive to run a professional sports team, but wick is

16:54not like, I'll say it like this.

16:57If Steve Ballmer had wicks money, he be crying.

17:01And what I mean by that is, is that wick is a private owner.

17:04Like Steve Ballmer is one of the richest guys in the world.

17:08And that's what the NBA is gearing toward.

17:10And wick and Steve are rich guys, but not that ultra rich to where it's not,

17:17Oh, we can just, you know, hand out money.

17:19Like it's going out of style.

17:21I think there needs to be some readjustments in the financial

17:23structure of the Celtics in terms of.

17:27Who's going to own it is going to be a conglomerate, a casino, a business, or

17:31is it going to be one rich guy?

17:33Who's like, Hey, I'd like to own a sports team, you know, but let's look

17:37recently, Mark Cuban got out the game and cashed out and he's no more

17:42as passionate than any owner wicks, more passionate, but I think some of

17:46these guys are seeing the writing on the wall with the second apron.

17:51And then it's like, Hey, you know, none of, nobody's getting any younger.

17:55You start getting into your sixties and you're 70.

17:58What happens if something happens to you or what happens if something happens

18:01to what, you know, what's the estate going to be like or whatever.

18:07Um, and so I think that's, that's probably a personal decision and

18:11there's no better time to sell a team than after a championship, especially

18:16the team, one of the benchmarks of the NBA is the Celtics.

18:20So I don't blame wick at all.

18:23I I'm going to miss wicking, but he's going to be around, you know, it sounds

18:26like it's going to be a tier thing, which, um, is going on now in Minnesota,

18:31which has not gone well, right.

18:34The previous owner selling Glenn Taylor, um, said that Alex Rodriguez

18:39and Mark Laurie, who are the two buyers didn't meet conditions for the sale.

18:45Um, they are accusing him of being, having sellers remorse because the

18:49timber was make the Western conference finals and everybody loves Minnesota

18:52timber was basketball and Anthony Edwards.

18:55And you got all, everything's great.

18:57Life's good in Minnesota.

18:58And why would you want to sell a team now?

19:00But so that's a situation to look out for.

19:04And it'll be interesting.

19:05The league I'm sure is going to have, uh, very involved and very

19:09interested in how this team, one of their benchmark franchises sells.

19:13One thing about the Phoenix signs or, uh, Milwaukee books or Minnesota

19:18timber was, but it was a Celtics, you know, it was like Celtics,

19:21Lakers or Knicks go on sale.

19:23That's going, that's an issue.

19:25That's that's, that's something we can keep abreast of.

19:29And what's the new plan for the new owner?

19:32Is he going to, is he or she going to want to build a new arena?

19:35Um, they're going to want to move the team out of the downtown Boston.

19:39Am I saying these are, you know, you want to move the team to land.

19:41You want to buy some land and build a brand new state of the art arena.

19:45Uh, do you want to continue to have the partnership with the

19:49Bruins at the garden?

19:50Cause remember the Celtics do not own the garden.

19:53So that's a lot of questions.

19:56Uh, you know, I know, you know, and I know that Boston wanted the, this

19:59ownership, we wanted the all-star game.

20:01Is that still into play?

20:03Um, they wanted it for, uh, 2029.

20:06Is that still into play?

20:07So it's all going to be interesting to see who bids and like, it might be

20:11like, it might be difficult, but I think there's one sports crazy billionaire.

20:18Who's like, Hmm, let me see what I can put together.

20:21What kind of group I can put together.

20:23And do you highlight it with a major athlete?

20:26Do you, do you call Kevin Garnett?

20:28Do you call Paul Pierce?

20:29Do you call, you know, and say, Hey, can you be the face of our own?

20:33One of the faces of our ownership group, like Alex Rodriguez is with the Minnesota

20:37group, you know, do you, you know, how, how popular does that go?

20:41Will you get a familiar face?

20:42Someone who's known in Boston to kind of front the group as opposed to a strange

20:46guy, nobody knows, then people don't trust them.

20:49Um, and I wrote my column today.

20:51I covered when the Seattle supersonics were up for sale in 2006 and they sold

20:57the team, Howard Schultz on the team in five months to a guy from Oklahoma.

21:02He could have found local buyers.

21:03He took the highest bid, right?

21:05He could have found, he could have taken his time and said, you know what?

21:09I'm going to sell this team.

21:10This might want to keep the team in Seattle or a local Northwest buyer.

21:14He didn't sell to Oklahoma and he got the hell out.

21:18And then that's why the sonics are in Oklahoma.

21:21Now that's never going to happen in Boston, but you're also dealing with

21:25somebody, if they purchase a team, it's got new ideas, fresh ideas.

21:29They might be a tech guy, you know, they might, they might

21:32want to do a lot of things.

21:34Um, so that's the risk.

21:36It could be a good thing or it could be a not so good thing.

21:39Can Steve Pagliuca come up with enough partnerships and

21:42money to buy Wicks share out?

21:44And then it, then everything goes smoothly like it was.

21:47So a lot of questions, it could be exciting, but it also could be a little

21:52uncomfortable because you don't know who's going to come in and buy the team.

21:58And whether that's a newcomer, whether that's someone who's already made

22:04bids for other teams around the country and fell on short.

22:07Now they can jump on the Celtics or somebody out of the blue, a billionaire

22:12who says, wow, that's kind of fun.

22:15I'd like to hold the Celtics boy.

22:17You know, my dad used to love the Celtics.

22:18It just says, okay, here's, here's 5 billion WIC.

22:22Like, you know, when, when, when can I move into my offices?

22:26We'll see.

22:28Yeah.

22:29I mean, Gary, one person that I don't care who they get to buy the team,

22:35just don't let it be John Henry.

22:37Just don't let it be a group that John Henry is part of, because

22:40I'm telling you now, Gary, I'm speaking, I'm speaking for many,

22:43I'm speaking for like many, I know you can't, I expect you to comment.

22:48I'm just saying, when you look at the track record, you look at the

22:54foundational pieces that have walked out that door, that Red Sox bullpen,

23:00that Red Sox dugout to other franchises with date with nothing in return,

23:05because ownership was too damn penny pinching to actually pay players their

23:10value, it wasn't like you were trying to pay them something that they hadn't

23:13earned, they literally were asking for it.

23:15This is my value on the open market.

23:17The only Betts was the only one that was just a mistake.

23:21Okay.

23:22You don't, you don't think Bogart's was a mistake.

23:24What's San Diego done since he's been there and he's hurt now?

23:27And I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not defending.

23:29It's not about, it's the player's value, Gary.

23:31You can defend all your own guys, but to me, if you want to structure the

23:36highest paying teams, I'm a Dodgers fan.

23:39Okay.

23:39And the Dodgers, we've done a long World Series in 35, 36 years.

23:45One, how much money they spent this year.

23:49Like, you know, I'm, I'm, and I'm, I'm a, I'm a, you know, and I'm not

23:53defending, um, obviously there's some decisions that are questionable, but

23:58to me, the Bogart's thing, that guy got 280 million, like, see you, bro.

24:06Like, like you can develop.

24:09And he's just like, to me, like I've seen it.

24:13You want to know, you want to be Yankee?

24:14You, you, you Yankee fans, right?

24:15You know how much money they spend?

24:17A lot.

24:18When's the last time they won a World Series?

24:19It's been a minute, 2009.

24:22It's been a minute, 2009.

24:24The Kansas City Royals have won a World Series since the damn, um, the

24:29Washington Nationals have won a World Series since the Yankees.

24:33It's been a minute.

24:33Texas Rangers have won a World Series.

24:35Like baseball is, is like, you just don't know.

24:39You can shell out all that money.

24:41How much money did the Phillies give Bryce Harper?

24:44If the Phillies won a World Series?

24:46Nope.

24:48So it is difficult, but, and I'm not defending anybody, but I think there'll

24:55be an affluent owner who will come in.

24:59Maybe, you know, Joe Lacob owns the Warriors, but he, he was a minority.

25:03Maybe he gets an ownership group and says, you know what?

25:07I want to own the Celtics now.

25:08Like, this is an unusual situation.

25:11Usually, you know, the, the Mark Cuban brand of owner, the, the kind of

25:17youngish, really rich, techie guy.

25:20That's kind of gone.

25:21Look, Matt Ishbia with the, with, with, with Phoenix, um, you know,

25:26the guy who owns the Pistons.

25:28And I mean, you talk about spending money.

25:30He gave, he gave Monty Williams, sending something in to go away.

25:37You talking about spending money?

25:39Is that, is that good?

25:41Is that sound spending charade?

25:43But you know, but here's the difference though, Gary, that the people that

25:46you're talking about have made mistakes.

25:49I don't, I don't absolutely, I don't dispute that at all, but it hasn't been

25:53part of their narrative because they haven't been in the game long enough

25:55to make things right, John Henry has been in the game for a long time.

26:00And this is part of, this is part of his MO World Series in 18.

26:05They beat my Dodgers.

26:07That's because your Dodgers suck.

26:09You think I want to bring that up?

26:11That's because your Dodgers suck.

26:12The guy who spent a lot of money.

26:17So I, I think, I don't know.

26:19I don't know who's going to bid for it.

26:22I think if you're going to bid for the Celtics, you got

26:25to be ready to spend money.

26:26You look at the situation.

26:27The person's going to look at the books and go, wow, we're paying

26:30two dudes over $600 million.

26:33Hmm.

26:33Okay.

26:34We're paying another guy, 130, another guy, 130.

26:38Um, and you know, and, but everything else is pretty much set.

26:45You're going to, the Celtics are going to have to figure out a way.

26:48And like, I know you mentioned Sam Houser, but do you want to

26:51pay Sam Houser 18 million a year?

26:53No, I don't.

26:54Okay.

26:55I understand that.

26:56So that's why you draft Baylor Shireman and hope he's under control and you

27:01develop him and you hope that he can replace, like you mentioned, replace

27:06Houser and Houser takes the money because let's be honest,

27:10Shira, everybody talks about, oh, they let go.

27:12Mac, Max true sign a four-year $64 million deal with Cleveland and shot

27:1934% from three this year.

27:21It didn't work out.

27:23George Ng signed a contract with Cleveland.

27:26He was on the bench during most of the playoffs.

27:28Like it's, it's not easy.

27:31It's not easy.

27:32And you, oh, just fork over the money to Houser.

27:34That I think that'd be great.

27:36But do you want to pay him 18 million?

27:38They didn't want to pay Grant Williams.

27:40Right.

27:42That worked out for him.

27:43Like, Hey, we love your grant, but we ain't paying no 12, 13, 14.

27:46You got to make some hard decisions.

27:48When two of your guys are making 50 or 60, another two guys and

27:53three guys now making 30.

27:56Like that's how it goes.

28:01Derek White turned himself into from a $17 million a year plan to a

28:0530 million a year plan with his improvement for Zingas is a $30 million.

28:10Those are $30 million a year.

28:11Guys are, are not super duper stars anymore.

28:15Like it was 10 years ago.

28:17So whoever inherits this team is going to have to figure out and you

28:22know, they'll have the subjects have enough astute management to

28:26figure out the salary cap, but eventually they're going to have

28:30to get out that second, April.

28:31Eventually they're going to have to pay.

28:34They don't have to go frugal.

28:36No, you keep your star players and all that.

28:37They ain't going to be trained nobody, but you're going to have to cut it

28:41down, lower that tax bill, unless you have an owner who's like effort for

28:46the war for years, and we know the warriors group was like, here, here,

28:52here, like, and you know, they, they started for, they were like, we want

28:58they got four, they paid a grip.

29:00Now they want to pay claim.

29:02Talk about that.

29:04Like they're like, we're not going to win like that.

29:07We ain't spending all that money.

29:10Right.

29:10And that's what it comes back to Gary.

29:12Ultimately, are you willing to pay the price to win?

29:14And if that price is, is too high to win, or you, or you are paying a

29:19price that you know, is not going to win, you're going to look to cut costs.

29:22That absolutely makes sense.

29:23I get that.

29:24Uh, the Celtics ain't there yet, but you're right.

29:26I mean, at some point you can see down the line in three, four, maybe even five

29:29years, they absolutely will be in that position where they're gonna have to

29:32make some real hard, gut-wrenching calls on guys, uh, that they don't want to

29:38part with, but they may have to just because of just the economics and then

29:41you're going to have to draft.

29:43Well, like they do have to draft at the end of the first round, because

29:47that's where you're going to be.

29:48You're going to have to find guys off the street.

29:50Like they did with Hauser.

29:51You're going to have to really be astute in charge.

29:54Like they took two guys here, ready to, who are cheap, going to come cheap

29:59with Shireman and Watson, who are 23 years old.

30:03So they, they five, you guys, five, you guys contribute.

30:07Like they're not, they no more of these 19 year old kids.

30:10We're going to take five years to figure out.

30:11No, no, no, no.

30:12So it's like, we're going to need productive, cheaper players.

30:17And that's how you start building and rebuilding your system and your bench.

30:22Uh, to, you know, be able to, to, to sustain this because you got, I said,

30:28two guys making fit in three guys making 30.

30:33Well, you start adding ball and coins.

30:35It's just like, yo, this is a heavy sack.

30:38Yo, how is this sustainable?

30:41Uh, and I think that's the challenge that the Celtics are going to have is

30:44just really trying to figure out how to continue to be an elite team while

30:48still building for the future without the kind of assets that your opponents

30:52are going to have teams that you're competing with are going to have, uh,

30:55you know, the way that their roster is shaping up in terms of the economics of

30:59it, they're going to have a hard time avoiding that second apron and falling

31:03into that second apron area, two out of four years, which then triggers a

31:08completely different set of problems and challenges, uh, or having that first

31:12round pick frozen in seven years, which is very likely to be the case because

31:16of them being, you know, uh, surpassing that second apron so that they are going

31:21to be in a fight, they're going to, at some point be in a huge financial heap

31:24of trouble. Uh, the only solace that they can take to Gary, to you, as you

31:28pointed out is when championships, if you're able to win championships, and

31:32then at some point you have to start breaking off major pieces because you

31:36just financially speaking, can't afford to keep being in that second apron.

31:41Your fan base is going to be like, you know what?

31:43It sucks that we got to part ways with this player, but Dan, we got four

31:47championships in six years and we got three titles in a five year window. It

31:51was absolutely worth it for us to have to part ways with them because even

31:55though we got to rebuild and start over, we had a great run. And that's really

31:59what the Celtics are trying to do here. They're trying to set themselves up for

32:02a great run. And again, you know, not giving way too much credit, but you got

32:05to get a man, his flowers. He put his money where his mouth was. He said that

32:09he was willing to pay with the cost of winning championship. And he's done

32:12that. And not only did they have, they went to titles, but they're positioned

32:16to win multiple titles going forward because of the contracts that they were

32:19able to get done during this season. And the ones that they were able to do

32:23in the first hours and days fought when free agency started. So, um, they are

32:30in a good, good position. There's no doubt about that. And for the short

32:33term, uh, I think New York, they've got the defensive versatility that can

32:39cause the Celtics in trouble. They've got a coach who's very defensive

32:42minded, which again, I think to beat the Celtics, you're not going to beat

32:46them. If your focus is scoring, getting buckets, your best shot at beating them

32:50in a best of seven is to have an elite defensive unit. And I think New York

32:55has the potential to be very good in that regard. Uh, they're not perfect.

32:58They certainly have their holes. Uh, I don't think it's specifically about

33:03Brunson being very good at one end of the floor, not that great at the other.

33:07But overall, I think New York is probably their biggest threat at this

33:11point, uh, coming out of the east.

33:14Yeah, I agree with charade. I like Philadelphia. I mean, getting Paul

33:19George could be a wonderful move for them, but he's also 34 years old and

33:25you paid him the max. That'll be interesting to see how that works out,

33:29how he adapts to playing in a market like Philadelphia. Uh, they also brought

33:33back Kelly, who Bray, which I thought was a good move. But the one thing

33:36Philadelphia really doesn't have is a point guard. That's why they got Kyle

33:41Lowry in the last year. You don't want maxi being a high scoring high assist

33:46guy. I don't know if he can do all that. You want to be kind of that

33:50combo guard and you want to kind of play the two and you want a ball handler.

33:54So we'll see, uh, what they do in terms of a point guard, whether they sign

34:00somebody cheap or they just let maxi handle it. Um, but I like the upper

34:05core of Philadelphia, but I think the Knicks have more depth. They lost

34:09Hardenstein to the Oklahoma City Thunder, and we're gonna have to see

34:13what happens. And I think Precious Achua is now gone to a free agent.

34:17We're gonna have to see what happens with Mitchell Robinson, whether he can

34:21sustain it. He's kind of Robert Williams ask in terms of injuries. Um, when

34:26he's on the floor, he's effective when he's not, you know, you know, Miles

34:30McBride's a guy who's played well for them and Josh Hart. So I think both

34:36teams vastly improved and nobody's a real, real, a tough guy defensively,

34:43who can guard both Jason and Jalen and is going to give them that versatile

34:47defensors along with bridges. Um, so I'm going to give the edge to New York

34:51considering we'll see what Philly does the rest of the summer. Uh, do they try

34:56to feel some other roles? They're losing some guys. They lost the tune to the

35:00Clippers. Um, I don't know if Lowry will be back. I'm sure he still wants to

35:04play. But do you give him a prominent role there? Bring him back. Um, obviously

35:09Tobias Harris. Bye. Bye. We can talk about charades team. The Detroit Piston

35:15given that dude, 26 million dollars. My goodness for a guy who's just like a

35:22third or four. I mean, what's wrong with Detroit, man? What's wrong? It's

35:25cold. It's cold out there. Indeed, man. What's wrong with Detroit, man?

35:29His dad's his agent. I mean, his dad should be agent of the year for that

35:34contract. I thought, I thought he was going to get maybe mid-level, maybe 20

35:41at the most, maybe a one-year deal to prove it. And he got 52 million over two

35:46years from a team he's already played for that is trying to get to the next

35:51step. And then they bring in Tim Hardaway Jr. Another guy who I was like,

35:57what's Detroit doing? I know they got to pay money to somebody. Somebody got

36:00because they got to get off the salary floor. But that's a hell of a floor, man.

36:05Tim Hardaway Jr. Tobias. What's going on? Right? You're the Detroit guy. What's

36:10wrong? What's wrong with you, man? Troy Weaver gone. I know they didn't pay 78

36:15million for mine to go away. Good hiring. JV Bickerstaff. I like JV

36:20Bickerstaff. I think he's immensely as a coach, a good defensive coach. He's a

36:24younger guy. He'll get along with those guys. He'll figure it out. But if your

36:29two main attractions are Tim Hardaway Jr. And Tobias Harris. You forget about

36:36Cade? You forgot about Cade? Cade's great. But I mean, who, you don't buy

36:42tickets if you don't get pissed at single tickets? To see, to see Tobias

36:46Harris. Come see Tobias Harris go for three for 10. Like, I don't know,

36:52Sherrod. What's wrong, man? Like, I really want Detroit. Detroit's a great

36:56city. As Vinny will tell you are for a really good one. One of my favorite NBA

37:00cities. I've always had a lot of fun in Detroit. Yes, he has. Um, one of my

37:05favorite cities over the years and I want them to be decent. And it's like

37:11they thinking Tobias Harris, $52 million, $52 million over two years.

37:17Gary was thinking of you get 5.2 million. Yeah. 5.2. Yeah. 5.2 over two.

37:23Way to go. Thank you. 52. Thank you. They gave me 52 million. He didn't even

37:29want to shoot in the Easter Conference series against the, uh, Knicks. Like he

37:34did not take a shot in that gate that decided I take a shot or I watched him

37:41like he had no points. He didn't score. Like, bro, Tim Hardaway couldn't get on

37:47the floor during the finals. And you made the most of that garbage time.

37:51No, you made the most of that garbage time. Yay.

37:56Count it.

37:58Try. You need to make some calls in Detroit, man. I'm just saying if it's

38:03getting bringing, let's get Isaiah in there.

38:06I don't know. Somebody, I mean, what's wrong, man? What's wrong? It's cold.

38:12Got me choked up. Just think about it, Gary. Got me choked up. Just thinking

38:15about it. I know, man. You were there and happy 20th anniversary to Sherrod

38:20Blakely, who covered the 20th, the Pistons in 04. The last, the last

38:27championship. It's been a long 20 years, man. A long, it's been a long time

38:32coming, a long time coming, long 20 years, man.

38:37Pistons, Pistons won a title. I know kids can't even believe it. Like, come

38:41on, man. The Pistons didn't win no title.

38:44I didn't even win a title.

38:46The Pistons. Come on, man. They ain't won no title. They don't know. But they

38:52actually did, kids. Remember, look it up. Google it. They did win a title.

38:56Sherrod was there. I was there. I was there. And it was in Detroit.

39:01They were the Pistons. You know, they had good players, good management,

39:06good coach. So, you know, so shout out to the Pistons.

39:12We had a moment, man. We had a moment. It's a wrap. It's a wrap.

39:20But it is a wrap.

39:22But so, so let me ask you, so Sherrod, I mean, we could end on this, the

39:27Clay Thompson thing. What do you think? What do you think of him going to

39:31Dallas? Him kind of telling the Warriors, you know what you can do with

39:34your, you know, I'm out. Like, he visibly wanted out. Like, he, they were

39:40not going to get him back. And, you know, does that make the Babricks

39:44better now? They've replaced, they got Derrick Jones went to the Clippers.

39:49Josh Green got traded to the Hornets. So they've replaced Green and Williams,

39:55Hardaway and Derrick Jones with Quentin Grimes, who I don't know why the

40:01Pistons traded him. I don't either. I don't either. Don't know why the

40:05Pistons traded that guy. That's going to come back to bite him. That is going

40:09to come back to bite. Don't trade a 24-year-old for a 32-year-old or

40:12whatever, but whatever. Grimes, Clay, and I forgot the third guy that they

40:18got. They're going to be pretty good. I mean, Dallas, I think Dallas, what

40:24they've done is they've solidified their place among that top three, top

40:27four teams out West. I don't think that this makes them a lock to get back

40:32to the finals because I still think that Denver is going to be in the mix.

40:35I think Minnesota is going to be even better. They're going to use this

40:38year to learn from that and be, I think, a little bit better locked in

40:42come playoff time. Oklahoma City, I love them getting Hartlestein. I think

40:48that is going to be the low-key sleeper pickup that's going to catapult

40:52them, I think, back to being a team that, to me, they're the front-runner

40:56to come out of the West, in my opinion. When you look at just the one

41:01question mark they had, I thought, this past year was Giddey. And that's

41:04the one guy that's no longer in the picture. And the one question mark I

41:08had with them was just how physical could they really be? They add one of

41:12the best offensive rebounders in the game, a guy who significantly stepped

41:16his game up in the playoffs for the Knicks last year. So back to your

41:20original question about Dallas, I think Dallas is going to be one of the top

41:23four teams. I got them right up there with Minnesota, right up there with

41:27Denver and OKC. I think that's your top four. The Clippers, I don't know

41:32what to make of them at this point. They playoff team at best. And

41:38obviously, the Lakers, there's always going to be a lot of talk about the

41:41Lakers, whether they're good or garbage. I think they're going to be

41:46similar to what they were last year, trying to get into the playoffs on the

41:49back end, maybe as no better than maybe a seventh seed, but more likely a

41:54play-in type of team. And LeBron, it'll be OK with LeBron because he gets to

41:58play with his boy, literally play with his boy, his son. So it's a win-win

42:05for LeBron. And we haven't talked about it, but I'm not as bothered by that

42:12as some people are about him playing with his son and about his son going

42:1755th pick overall. Because if you're the Lakers, think about this. You get a

42:21player late in the second round who may or may not pan out. Guys taking that

42:26late, we know. I mean, to me, one of the best number 55 picks ever was

42:30Etwan Moore for the Celtics, who's taken with the 55th pick. And he had a

42:36great career. He was in the league for like 10 years. That's the best case

42:39scenario. You know guys taking that low almost never make it.

42:44You have a special perspective on this, OK? Because you have a son who is a

42:50journalist. Now, he's more of a producing, behind-the-scenes guy. But

42:55your son, since he was... When was his first Black Journalist Convention?

43:00When he was 15, 16?

43:01Nah, he was like seven or eight.

43:03OK. You brought him... So he grew up in our game, grew up in our industry,

43:08OK? He wants to be like you, OK? And you're like, well, I want us to work

43:15at the same place. So, hey, Isaiah, why don't you just drop out of college

43:21and then get a stringer's job at my paper? Then we'll be working at the

43:25same paper. Yay! Like, when you're... Let's say you're at NBC Sports

43:32Yeah, they got an intern's job. Drop out of school and work full-time there

43:40and see what happens. And we'll be at the same place. We can take pictures

43:43together and look good. And father-son. Like, no! OK? No, you're not exactly.

43:52So, I don't have a problem with the nepotism. As I said on Max's podcast

43:57with Jose Pavone, I don't have a problem with the nepotism. I don't have

44:01a problem maneuvering to get 55, pulling the Suge Knight thing and telling

44:04teens, you know, don't draft my guy or see what happens.

44:07That was so gangster. That was so gangster.

44:10I don't have a problem with Rich Paul. What I have a problem with is, if I

44:14had a son who wanted to be in my industry, I don't want him skipping

44:18steps. I want him to have the best, longest career possible. I don't want

44:23him coming to the NBA when he's completely not ready just so he can be

44:29on my team and get all this training. Because you've jump-started his

44:33grown-man life. OK? LeBron Jr. is now a grown man. There's no more going

44:38back to college. No more college parties. No more the girls and all that.

44:43The fun that you have when you're growing and finding yourself. He is now

44:46a grown man. 19 years old. Born in probably 2005. I mean, you know, shoot.

44:53I mean, that's not that long ago. OK? And just because you want to play

45:01with your son, you force this issue. And you got him, oh, I want to go in the

45:06league. Like, you're not good enough yet. And it's OK. Like, and I said on

45:12the other podcast with Max, people are comparing this to Griffey Jr. and

45:16Griffey Sr. A little different. No. When King Griffey Jr. got out of high

45:21school, he was the number one overall pick in the Major League Draft. He was

45:25the truth. He was, now, Bronny went number one. That's a whole different

45:30story. Bronny was 55th. He wasn't a first-round pick even to think, not even

45:36close. So why would you force the clock to start? Even, you could have done it

45:43next year. You could have said, Bronny, transfer to, you didn't like USC. OK,

45:49that's not your school. That's not worked out for you. Go to Ohio State.

45:53Go be a Buckeye. Go to Duquesne, where you're LeBron's high school teammate

45:59are now his coach. Go somewhere, play a full year, play the position. Go only

46:05to a school that says, they'll let you play point. I want to play point. He

46:09can work that out. He'll get NIL money, whatever he wants. He'll get, and then

46:14play a full year, and then maybe play yourself into the first round.

46:18But he didn't. And to me, you step in all these steps, and we've seen it,

46:23Sherrod, and we've seen it, Quanie, how hard it is for these young men to come

46:29out of college. We were there the day James Young got drafted. What happened

46:34to James Young? First-round pick, played a year and a half, never to be seen

46:41from. Even the kid on the touchdown, J.D. Davidson, couldn't wait to get to

46:47the league. Out of Alabama, played one year, played two years in the G-League.

46:51Now he's a free agent. Well, the Celts are probably going to bring him back

46:56on another two-way. His future's in limbo. He's 21. Why would you want to do

47:03that to Bronny? And I'm not saying that the Lakers will not cut him, but they

47:08just signed him, Sherrod, to a standard NBA contract, which kind of messed up

47:14their cap a little bit. A lot of it. What? Because he wasn't going to play,

47:20oh, he may be playing on two-way. He came in, whether it's Rich Paul idea,

47:25LeBron's, you're coming in with requirements. For the 55th pick. He should

47:31have been on a two-way. He's a perfect, okay, you want to try him out, two-way.

47:35Nope. He's going to start a deal. Is that fostering his long-term success?

47:42That he's not ready. When he gets all the training he wants. Okay. I mean,

47:48to me, he's not ready. And you know, Sherrod, as well, that the NBA is not the

47:54league to get ready in. It's not the league to get ready in. Now, if you work

47:58your ass off, you can work from a fringe guy to a contributor, right? Those rare

48:05people. But we saw, when Cody came out of high school, you saw like, yeah,

48:11it's going to happen. It might not happen now, but he's going to be the dude. You

48:16saw it. Don't let ours fool you. We saw it. Every time you see a dude, yeah,

48:23that dude's, it's going to happen. We saw Tatum. We saw Brown. We saw these guys

48:29come out of a school and we were like, yeah. Do you see that when you see Ronnie?

48:36No, good athlete. Not a great athlete. Good athlete. Right. Doesn't that, I mean,

48:41as good wingspan, not great wingspan, lateral quickness. Good. I mean, he's just,

48:47he's a good player, but he's six one, not Derek White. Oh, Derek White's mine.

48:53Derek White's six, five, six, six. Drew Holiday is six, four and mad strong.

49:00Right. Drew, you see Drew in person. He's like, you look like, damn, you're taller than I thought.

49:05You should do in person. Drew's bigger than you think. Don't let the TV fool you. You see Drew,

49:10Drew's imposing. Drew, Drew, Drew got some heat with him. Drew, Drew, don't, don't,

49:15you don't, don't, don't step up to Drew. You can walk up on Drew like that. Don't do it.

49:20Don't do it. My whole thing is like, why would you fast track your son's development? Just so

49:26you want to play with him? Because Gary, you just answered the question with your response because

49:32you, you, you want to play with him. That is, this is about LeBron. This isn't about Ronnie.

49:39It's not, it's not Griffey Senior, Griffey Junior. Griffey Junior was in the bigs by 19 years old.

49:45Like he was starting in center field for the Seattle Mariners. Like, like to me, it's just,

49:52it's just like, y'all, nobody sees, like, why would, why would I want, why would you tell your

49:57son, why would you tell Isaiah, drop out of school and just come work at NBC Boston or wherever

50:04you're working? Because it's a good photo op and I can, I can tutor you. Well, he got three more

50:10years, but you want him to take his natural road to have as much success as he personally can.

50:17Forget you. To me, it's funny. If your son, if you lie to yourself, if you think my son's ready

50:25to play in the league, he's ready to like work out with NBA players. Yeah. Sherrod, we could,

50:33we could go, we, when we in our younger days, we could have got on the court with dudes who were

50:38like, you know, we, we, we all, we are on college playing pickup with dudes who are like D1 players

50:45and like, we didn't, might not have embarrassed ourselves, but we were like, yeah, that dude's

50:49like, that dude's real good. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm sure you played pickup with

50:55Syracuse with dudes who were like NBA. I mean, you could stay on the court with them, but like.

51:01Yeah. Lawrence Moore, Lawrence Moan gave me some buckets. Yes. He gave me some buckets,

51:06but he was the only biggest all-time winning scorer. So that's it. You play with dudes who

51:09are on the team and you're like, yeah, I see why that dude's on the team. Damn, that dude good.

51:17You know, I mean, we saw it. We could play on the same court, but then we weren't that level. So

51:24I just think it's a disservice to Bronny to just fast track him and take away college,

51:31take away his youth. You know, this ain't Michael Jackson in the Jackson 5. It's like, no,

51:36you ain't Mike. You ain't, you know what I'm saying? This ain't, you ain't, but we see it.

51:42We can see it. This ain't Carmelo after his freshman year at Syracuse. This ain't that,

51:48you know what I'm saying? If that was the case, I wouldn't say a word, but we saw it.

51:53And, oh, well, he's got, there's a lot of 6'1 athletes in the G League.

51:58Yeah. Facts. Facts.

52:01So I don't know. I, I'm not the nepotism, whatever. I just don't like, I just pray for that

52:07kid can get as much success and he'll not, and he won't skip steps and he'll work. And like,

52:15you don't even see what kind of player he can turn into because we don't know yet.

52:19Is it going to be a score? A shutdown? Like someone brought up Avery Bradley.

52:25That's probably best case scenario.

52:27But Avery was a different kind of athlete.

52:29He was a, he was an elite.

52:30And he had a ridiculous wingspan.

52:32Yeah. Avery was an elite defender at 19 years old. He wasn't a great shooter. He ended up

52:40playing 12 years of the league, being an elite defender. He worked on his shot,

52:44never made an all-star team or whatever. If that's your ceiling, a guy who never made an all-star

52:49team. Okay. Like, to me, that shouldn't be your ceiling. Like, you're not, nothing against Avery.

52:57Avery did everything he could, you know?

53:00Had a good career.

53:01Yeah. Won a chip, I think, with the Lakers and the bubble. Like, Avery did all he could. He got

53:07all out of his talent. But it's like, to me, if I'm, like, my son, I don't, I don't want a son

53:15drop out of school, and we're going to hire you to cover high schools, and then we can be,

53:19take pictures together. No! Fool, you're going to finish your ass in school, and you're going to go

53:25through all the camps and all the training, and then we're going to make sure you're ready,

53:30and you not only get to the league, because, you know, this draft night is great. Let me try,

53:38you cover guys. We, Detroit, I cover guys in Seattle. They look good. They had the suit on,

53:43and then you never saw them again. Like, it's great to get, to make the league and tell your,

53:48you know, and have a, play in a, put it on a uniform. Don't you want more for your son

53:54than just that? I want him to be great, and I'm going to make, no, dude, you ain't ready.

54:00You ain't ready to be great yet. Be great in college first, and then when you come, boom,

54:06you're going for rookie of the year. That's right, Gary, and also, as we close out, we just got word

54:11that Xavier Tillman is going to be reuniting the crew, the gangs all back together. Again,

54:17the management ownership really trying to make all these deals before they close out,

54:21but Xavier Tillman, two years to reunite here in Boston as well, so that'll be an interesting

54:27addition, or, I guess, keeping of, for the front court, but for HR Blakely and Gary Washburn,

54:33I'm Quanie Lunas. This is the Big Three MEA podcast, and of course, we'll continue to keep

54:38you all covered throughout this, quote, off-season. Thanks for watching.

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