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00:00This is the Greg Bidard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
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00:32I am in Foxborough.
00:35Greg is joining us from parts unknown.
00:37We'll go old school wrestling, old school WWF style, parts unknown during this podcast.
00:43But he is good.
00:44He is good.
00:45Nobody's holding him hostage.
00:46He's fine.
00:47Let's start outside of the Patriots, Greg.
00:49Obviously yesterday, we're recording this on Tuesday afternoon.
00:53Yesterday was just a huge day in Boston sports.
00:55You had the Bruins and free agency, which we'll get to in a minute, but you had the
00:58Celtics.
00:59They get the extension done with Derek White.
01:02They get the extension done with Jason Tatum.
01:04But the biggest news might have been with Grosbeck putting the team up for sale.
01:09What were your thoughts when I text you that other than what?
01:14Well, you know, I'll say this after digesting it and sort of, you know, reading some of
01:20the opinions or, you know, takes on the subject where, you know, obviously, you know, Corrales
01:27at our place and other places and other writers.
01:33I'll just say that, like, look, I've always had a lot of respect for WIC.
01:38I have a lot of confidence in WIC that they announced it like this, you know, to me, I'm
01:48hoping that it's going to be that they already know what they're going to do.
01:52Like, it's going to be the other partners like Bagluca, other partners that have been
01:58part of it, that they're going to step up or WIC has a guy who he's known for years
02:04that is similar.
02:05Like, I would be very disappointed and I would be surprised if this was a situation where
02:11WIC was looking for every last dollar.
02:14I do think the Celtics are important to him.
02:17I think his legacy as a great team owner is important to him.
02:24It should be.
02:25He's basically, since him and his partners have owned the Celtics, they've always been
02:31near the top.
02:32They've won two championships.
02:35They've always spent.
02:36That hasn't been an issue unlike some of the other owners in this town.
02:43At the end of the day, I think WIC looks at, and I think they've set the Celtics up
02:50for success long-term.
02:51I think this is all on purpose that the timing of it is we've got basically all the pieces
02:56locked up for multiple years.
02:58We can make a run.
03:01I think it's important to his legacy that he sells it to the right people to continue
03:05that tradition and that it enhances his legacy going forward.
03:13Let's say he sold the Celtics a majority to some investment banker outfit or something
03:21like that that was just looking to maximize every last dollar and then the Celtics went
03:27in the toilet.
03:28That would hurt his legacy.
03:30I think he's carefully crafted it.
03:32I think he's been great in every single way.
03:35He's the owner that I respect the most in this town in terms of everything that he does.
03:43It's a little bit frightening, but I'm hopeful that there's a plan and that WIC's going to
03:49execute it.
03:51Best owner in Boston right now.
03:53I'm sure many people would say that.
03:55I think those people would be right in saying that.
03:57You look at what he's done, the money that he has spent.
04:00He's not a guy who has a ton of money compared to other owners, relatively speaking.
04:05He has a lot of money for me.
04:06He has a lot of money for Greg.
04:07He has a lot of money compared to many of you, but he's not this super-duper uber-billionaire
04:14who is just raking in the cash.
04:16The NBA is getting more difficult to own a basketball team given the money.
04:21The local cable networks are not making as much money as they used to.
04:26The taxes, the penalties, just the idea of paying hundreds of millions of dollars on
04:31top of the hundreds of millions of dollars you're paying for the actual roster.
04:36They don't have the arena, as we know.
04:38You've got TD Garden.
04:39They don't own that arena.
04:41There's all of these different elements that make it more difficult for WIC to continue
04:46to own the team, I think, the way he wants to own the team, which is put money in, continue
04:52to win, and do everything you have to do to make that happen.
04:57I think WIC, when you look at this realistically, it's going to be very, very difficult for
05:02him to own the team in that way with the lack of funds that he has compared to other guys
05:08in the league.
05:09You saw this.
05:10Mark Cuban decided to sell Dallas, and Taylor in Minnesota trying to sell the team.
05:16Charlotte sold the team recently.
05:18Michael Jordan, right?
05:19MJ got out of it.
05:21You're starting to see this around the league.
05:22I just think it's very difficult and very expensive for guys who might not have that
05:27kind of cash to continue to roll in the league.
05:31I also think this is just a human psyche thing that's fascinating to me, Greg.
05:36The fear of the unknown.
05:38WIC was great.
05:39He's been great.
05:40I believe he loves the Celtics.
05:42He was born in Worcester.
05:43He wanted to own this team.
05:45He's owned the team for now more than two decades.
05:48We can love what he has done and respect and appreciate who he has been as an owner
05:52without freaking out what's going to happen in the future.
05:55We have no idea.
05:56Yes, it could end up going to somebody that doesn't give an ish.
06:00But I would say if you're buying an NBA team right now, you're buying an NBA team with
06:05the full understanding of what's going on in this league, and that's going to cost you
06:09a lot of money to run that organization.
06:15Everybody take a deep breath and stop fearing the unknown.
06:18We don't know who's going to be the next owner.
06:19All right.
06:20We also had a big day with the Bruins, and I know you're a gigantic hockey guy, Greg
06:26Pucks Bedard on call here, and the Bruins made two big moves.
06:32So they sign Elias Lindholm.
06:35They bring in Nikita Zadarov, a defenseman.
06:39What'd you make of those moves?
06:41Well, I think it's quite obvious that the Bruins, and we see this in every sport, but
06:48especially it seems like in hockey, that it's a copycat league.
06:53And we see it also in football and all that stuff.
06:56But you see what the Florida Panthers have done and how they've built it.
07:01And really, the teams that the Bruins have struggled with in recent years, the bigger,
07:09stronger, on the forecheck, tougher teams where the Bruins are built for the regular
07:17season, for the playoffs, they're not built quite as well.
07:20And I think they're trying to do things like the Florida Panthers of the NHL.
07:26And I think you look at Zadarov as a big, strong guy, hits like a Mack truck.
07:35Lindholm is also big and tough and sort of a two-way defenseman, similar to Patrice Bergeron,
07:44but a little bit heavier on the forecheck.
07:47And I also think it's significant.
07:49I didn't realize this because I've been traveling, but reading Haggs, what he wrote for us on
07:56the Bruins, I didn't realize that so many guys also went out the door with DeBrusk and
08:02Heinen and Boquist and Grislyk, DeBrusk getting a seven-year deal from Vancouver, Dan Heinen's
08:08joining him out there.
08:09And I think those guys are all smaller, finesse type guys, and the Bruins are bringing in
08:16tougher guys.
08:17And I think that's what they have to do to try to keep up with the Florida Panthers of
08:22the world.
08:24It was very interesting to me.
08:26I said this on the Sports Hub on Sunday afternoon when I was hosting, to me, the top priority
08:31was a top-line centerman.
08:33And obviously, you addressed that with Lindholm.
08:35You can't play Morgan Geeky in a playoff series on the top line.
08:38I'm sorry, Morgan.
08:39I mean, we love what you do, but you're more of a third-line winger than you are a top-line
08:45center, especially in the postseason.
08:47So they addressed that.
08:48I thought, Greg, that their number two need was a wing.
08:52You lost DeBrusk.
08:54You lost Heinen.
08:55You're going to lose, likely, Van Riemsdyk.
08:57And I know Van Riemsdyk isn't huge, but he had double-digit goals for you last year.
09:02When you start stacking up these goals, you're talking 50 goals or so that you lost.
09:06And yes, Lindholm will help you.
09:08You can move Zaka to the wing now.
09:10And you hope that Zadarov will help the defensemen step up offensively, and you'll get more out
09:15of McAvoy now, especially if you put Zadarov alongside him in the first pairing and let
09:20McAvoy kind of be McAvoy and skate and be a little more offensive if McAvoy just learns
09:25to actually pull the freaking trigger.
09:27And you can also move Lindholm back now, Hampus, and hopefully get more offense from him.
09:33But I thought that they should have gone wing over defensemen.
09:37And Jim Montgomery wants a big defenseman.
09:39He wants somebody who hits.
09:40That is obviously Zadarov.
09:42He picks up lots of penalties, so be ready for that.
09:46The overall aspect of this, though, is you're right.
09:49Big.
09:50They're looking for big, physical dudes.
09:52The guys that they've brought in are just big, and they're going to make you feel their
09:57presence.
09:58Lindholm, all three zones, wins at the face-off, right?
10:03He can win at the dot.
10:04He can help you in special teams.
10:06So I think Lindholm is good and fills that desperate need.
10:11But Sweeney said after the season was over, we need scoring, and you really didn't address
10:18that in free agency.
10:19So now you're looking at Lysell, you're looking at Merkeloff.
10:22These young guys, Patra, they're going to have to really step up and have an impact
10:28with this team.
10:29It'll be interesting how Coach Montgomery deals with that.
10:31All right, let's get to the football now.
10:34Biggest news for the Patriots just came out this morning, a little while ago.
10:37Mike Reese, Reese's Pieces, along with Adam Schefter, had this.
10:40Jelani Tavaes signs a three-year contract extension, Greg.
10:44Three years, up to, two important words with every NFL contract, up to $21 million.
10:51But the base value is really $15 million.
10:54What's your take?
10:56So I assume that would be, basically, at the base, it's a two-year deal, about $7.5 million.
11:06So I mean, I guess my initial response would be, look, I think that Jelani Tavaes has developed
11:13into a good, solid player.
11:17I think we talked about it in a recent podcast.
11:22Is his profile and Juwan Bentley's profile as sort of bigger, tougher, slower linebackers,
11:31is that the wisest course for this defense?
11:34And it's really the heart of it.
11:37When you hear a lot of NFL people that say, you can tell the speed of the defense by the
11:45middle linebacker or the two linebackers, nobody really plays with three linebackers
11:48anymore.
11:50But the two linebackers on the team, and Bentley, he's fine.
11:56I think his speed is fine, especially early on in the season or first half of the season
12:00until he gets beat up a little bit because he plays so much.
12:03They do have talkie talkie that can get in the mix and take some snaps from some of the
12:08guys.
12:09Tavaes is a good leader.
12:11He's coming off an injury.
12:12We haven't seen him do anything in the offseason practices.
12:16Maybe he's doing stuff behind the scenes.
12:18Do I love that they're extending him before seeing him healthy?
12:21No, I don't like that because he's not old, but he's not young either.
12:27And so I would have waited on the deal.
12:32I would have seen how this defense develops, but maybe this is just the profile that they're
12:39going with.
12:40The Mayo-Covington defense, the scheme.
12:42They're just going to keep it going with what they have and they're not looking to
12:46change a whole bunch on the second level.
12:49I would be more open to that.
12:51But again, outside of talkie talkie, this is another position where we talked about,
12:55you know, they haven't, they didn't draft anybody.
12:58They haven't left themselves any other options.
12:59So really, you know, locking up a guy, it's not huge money.
13:03I don't think it's a huge deal, but I just, I just hope this doesn't close them off for
13:08being open-minded to getting faster and more athletic on the second level of the defense.
13:14Yeah.
13:15I think they have those options.
13:16I mean, we'll see if Mapu can do anything.
13:19You could always put Dugger in there.
13:21You could put Peppers in there, that hybrid role.
13:23You mentioned talkie talkie.
13:24Look, Tavi is a good football player.
13:26He had his best season arguably last year.
13:29You're able to move him around a little bit.
13:30He was actually statistically analytically good in coverage.
13:33So he's been able to kind of hold his ass in that, in that aspect.
13:37And it's not back-breaking money.
13:39You've got a ton of space.
13:40And also, Greg, you kind of mentioned it there.
13:43A lot of people want the Patriots to wait, but the one thing I would say to that though
13:47is that in 2025, like next off season, as of right now, you have a number of guys on
13:53that side of the football that are coming up.
13:57And unless they're going to resign everybody, you're going to have to make decisions.
14:00So you know, you're not going to be able to fill every single void.
14:04You're going to use, I think, a number of draft picks in next year's draft to address
14:10the defense.
14:11And you got to hope that Chooks Acorafor works that left tackle and you know, maybe Jalen
14:15Polk looks like a one receiver because you also going to have to fill those two needs
14:18possibly with the draft next year.
14:21But the point is you got a lot of dudes who are probably leaving this team on the defensive
14:24side or at least a few of them.
14:27So Tavi is a player that they, they feel comfortable with.
14:29I would also imagine that he's pretty healthy.
14:32I know that Gerard Mayo said that he's been banging down the door to get out there.
14:37So I'd have to imagine the Patriots are very comfortable with where he's at from a health
14:42standpoint.
14:43Of course, they could be wrong and that would be bad.
14:45But that's how I feel.
14:46We got some more thoughts on a lot of other things.
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16:16Let's keep on moving with the defensive free agents.
16:18I just mentioned this.
16:19You've got a number of guys, Greg, that are going to be free agents next year, but you
16:25also have a few guys that were on this team last year that are still free agents.
16:29Adrian Phillips, Laurence Guy, JC Jackson.
16:33They're still out there.
16:34They're still available.
16:35Do you have interest in any of those three?
16:40Certainly the first two, Adrian Phillips and Laurence Guy, are total pros.
16:45Definitely on the back nine of their career, Adrian Phillips saw his role diminish big
16:52time last year, and they have Mapu, and they have Peppers, have Duggar, and they have all
16:57these guys.
16:58We'll see if Bledsoe makes the roster.
17:03I love Phillips, but I don't see any need for him.
17:05I don't think he wants to come back here.
17:08I think he would rather have a chance to win and have a slightly bigger role on a team.
17:15I could see him ending up on Baltimore Ravens or somebody like that, or even maybe him going
17:21back to the Chargers where he started his career.
17:24I could see Harbaugh really liking him as his profile.
17:29Laurence Guy, I think that's more of a situation where we went through the contract thing with
17:35him last year.
17:36The Patriots didn't do anything.
17:39I think it's a situation where Laurence Guy looks at it and says, doing what I do at my
17:43age and the pounding that I take, is it worth the $3 million that he made last year?
17:50Is anybody going to give him more than that?
17:53Probably not.
17:54Could it get to the point where towards the end of training camp, if they're a little
17:58thin on the interior, if they're having contract issues with Devon Godshow, could they decide
18:03to bring him back?
18:04Yes, but I don't think it's going to be at very much money.
18:08Is that worth Laurence's while to do that?
18:11JC Jackson's probably the most interesting guy.
18:15He really struggled last year when the Patriots traded for him.
18:21Mayo has made comments, I think it was at the owner's meetings, about how that had a
18:26lot to do with injuries.
18:28With JC Jackson, when he's right, he's still pretty good.
18:34That's going to have to be a Mayo call in terms of his comfort, but we all know the
18:37Patriots are a little thin at cornerback.
18:41Maybe this is a situation where both sides know they might make something work, but JC
18:47doesn't want to go through the offseason stuff, maybe even part of training camp, that sort
18:52of thing.
18:55At this point, if JC Jackson is healthy, I'd rather go that route than say a Stephon Gilmore,
19:02but I think JC Jackson is the most interesting guy for sure.
19:06They might be still looking at Alex Austin, Isaiah Bolden, Marco Wilson, trying to see
19:10what they have in those guys.
19:12Could they bring more than Jackson brings to the table?
19:15The other question about Jackson is, Mayo and Wolf have talked an awful lot about culture
19:19and character and getting the right guys and having the right feel in the locker room.
19:24Of course, we know JC has not always been with the program.
19:29He's been a guy that's colored outside the lines from time to time.
19:33Are they concerned about JC causing a little bit of an issue in the locker room?
19:38We don't know, but there's that question that has to be brought up given his history.
19:44That is something else that could be an obstacle in bringing JC back.
19:48If you've got somebody like Austin and he does not show out, Bolden doesn't show out,
19:52they don't play as well as they looked like they were playing at minicamp, you could always
19:55reevaluate and I would imagine Elliot Wolf would do so.
19:58Speaking of minicamp, we saw the Patriots, they had practices a little bit later in the
20:03day.
20:04That's going to continue at training camp.
20:07Mayo is going to start practices at 11 a.m. instead of 9.30 a.m.
20:12I saw Mike Reese write about this over the weekend.
20:15It's obviously going to be hotter outside later in the day.
20:19What do you make of this decision by Mayo?
20:21Yeah, it's definitely interesting.
20:24I'm sure there's some sort of meeting aspect of it.
20:27Normally, most teams, and maybe this is a way to sort of shorten the day under Belichick
20:35and some of Belichick's assistants like Josh McDaniels, they were known for their really,
20:41really long days.
20:44If you're practicing at 9.30, stuff starts at 7 and you're going to 7, 8 o'clock at night.
20:53Now maybe they let the guys sleep in a little bit.
20:56Maybe it's 8 or 9 o'clock that they come in and do some stuff ahead of practice time,
21:02but I'm most worried about the heat.
21:05I don't really like the, I don't think it's better for your conditioning to be playing
21:13football in full pads at the top of the day where the heat's at its worst.
21:19I mean, some people will say, oh, it's better to work on conditioning.
21:22I don't really believe in that.
21:24I think that it can take some of the energy away from the players and it can be more of
21:30a problem.
21:32Look, Mayo's a player.
21:35He's not too far removed from that.
21:37He obviously prefers this, but man, it's going to make for some really hot days down at Gillette
21:45Stadium.
21:46Yeah, we'll see how guys react to it, right?
21:49You certainly don't want to put them in any kind of danger zone.
21:52You don't want to move it inside because that takes away some of the elements.
21:57It's an interesting decision by Mayo.
21:59Obviously, he feels with maybe the little extra sleep or whatever they're going to do
22:03before practices at 11am, it's worth it on the back end.
22:07He might end up being right.
22:08He might end up being wrong.
22:09We'll see how it all unfolds.
22:11This is his first camp as a head coach and we'll see if he decides to change things.
22:16He always has the ability to do that.
22:19Will he do it?
22:20I find it unlikely, but certainly very interesting.
22:23Belichick had his way.
22:24Mayo's had his way.
22:25All of the conversation leading up to Bill Belichick being asked to leave the program
22:31and the Patriots filling Belichick's shoes with a quote-unquote Belichick guy, Greg and
22:37I talked about this an awful lot at the time.
22:41Just because you play for Bill Belichick and coach for Bill Belichick doesn't necessarily
22:45mean you are going to try to be Bill Belichick.
22:47McDaniels had some of that, of course.
22:49Patricia had some of that, but Mayo has done a lot of things differently than Bill did
22:55and it could go great.
22:56It could go horribly wrong.
22:58We'll see which one it falls on.
23:00All right.
23:01So we did the coaches executives with the most pressure on them in a prior podcast.
23:05Greg, let's let's now look at some of the players that you have listed as far as pressure
23:09and we start with the big guy in the middle on defense and that's Christian Barmore.
23:13Yeah.
23:14So this is number five Christian Barmore for me.
23:17He could be a little bit higher on the list.
23:19To me, this is all about the contract that he received, the contract extension.
23:25Some might say it's a little early for him.
23:27Some are worried about his knee and you know, whether there's a long-term thing there.
23:33There's also the added sort of pressure for Christian if he buys into it, like just in
23:40the locker room that there are guys who have reacted to his contract extension.
23:45Look at them and say, yeah, you know, the kid's talented, but he hasn't really done
23:48anything.
23:49Whereas, you know, I've been in the league seven, eight years.
23:52I've done a lot for this team and you know, they're not giving me money and I'm talking
23:57about guys like Devon Godchild, Matthew Jude on if, if they don't do anything to the contracts
24:03for those guys now, all of a sudden you know, those, it, it becomes an interesting locker
24:09room dynamic between the guys.
24:11And I'm sure a lot of people would be like, oh, that's overblown.
24:14These guys are professionals.
24:15That stuff goes on, you know, all the time.
24:19And you know, we don't know whether anything's going to happen, but you know, to me, the
24:22bottom line is, you know, Christian Barmore after the contract, the reaction to some of
24:27his teammates, to me, there's, there's pressure on him to deliver this year.
24:33And you know, so that's why I have him on the list has to be an impact guy.
24:37He's getting paid like an impact guy after this season, got that extension.
24:40He was fantastic.
24:41The last two months of 23, when you kind of drop this defense, we all know this team has
24:46to be led by its defense.
24:48I think you're going to see a lot of run game and defense in 2024.
24:53And you know, Barmore is a big part of that defensive equation.
24:56If he can impact games the way he did in the final two months of last year, you've got
24:59Jude on coming off of the edge.
25:01It helps Jude on because you can't necessarily double him.
25:04It'll help guys like Joshua Uche and Keon White get to the quarterback.
25:09It should help DeVon Godchow as well, because every single double team that Barmore forces
25:14the offensive line to partake in is good news for the defense.
25:17So Barmore is going to be a guy they lean on and he's got to be ready physically.
25:23He's got to be ready mentally to be that kind of guy.
25:25We saw the last eight weeks of last season, this entire season in 2024, we'll see if he
25:30can do it.
25:31Jonathan Jones contract year going to be 32 years old next season, Greg, your thoughts
25:36on JJ.
25:37Yeah, well, I mean, a couple of things in terms of the pressure on him.
25:42You know, he's, he's made a decent amount in his career, but he's really, he's going
25:46to have one more swipe at it.
25:48You know, sometimes cornerbacks age well or they can transition to, you know, safety and
25:54other things.
25:55So he's had some injury plague seasons.
25:58He sort of needs the ball out this year if he wants one more bite at the contract apple.
26:02So there's a lot of pressure from that aspect, but also just from a team aspect, like they
26:08need Jonathan Jones to play well.
26:11We've talked about a cornerback is one of those positions that's thin.
26:14Are they going to have them on the outside where we we've seen him get picked on?
26:18Is he going to, you know, start as a two cornerbacks and then when they go to three cornerbacks,
26:24when they go to nickel, is he going to go inside?
26:26Is he still an impact slot cornerbacks, slot cornerbacks get paid even if they're older
26:33So I, but I think, you know, for this defense to be good and for this team to be good, they
26:41have to play man to man.
26:42We know Christian Gonzalez can, can Jonathan Jones still do that?
26:46Can Marcus Jones, can Alex Austin, can all these guys do that?
26:50And it starts with Jonathan Jones, because a lot of things sort of work off of him in
26:54terms of the depth that cornerback.
26:56We got our final three, as far as players with the most pressure on them, according
27:00to Greg Bedard.
27:01We'll get to those final three in a minute, but I did want to mention this.
27:04I was at Monday Night Raw last night at TD Garden with Kelly and I was at the bar shocker
27:10getting a beer with Kel.
27:11And as I was standing there, somebody by the name of Luke came up to me and introduced
27:16himself and said that he listens to the podcast, he's a fan and all of that.
27:19And I thank Luke, you know, he's a, he's a hardcore football guy, but I will say this.
27:23I don't know if this happens to you, Greg.
27:25I felt a little distracted in the moment and maybe I wasn't as conversational as I should
27:30have been with Luke.
27:32The conversation was pretty quick.
27:34So if Luke is listening or watching, I really appreciate it, man.
27:37We thank you.
27:38We thank everybody who supports this podcast.
27:40And next time I will be a little bit more honed in and less worried about being next
27:46up in line and trying to figure out where our seats are right before the show starts.
27:50So yeah, that, that definitely happened.
27:53That definitely happened.
27:54Cause sometimes you, you know, sometimes we forget because you know, we're not the Michael
27:59Felgers of the world and you know, we, we forget that that we're sort of public figures
28:05and people notice.
28:06And sometimes you're just, you're not, you forget about that when, and like you're at
28:10an event.
28:11Like I saw a bunch of people, I went to Hootie and the Blowfish at Fenway with, with the
28:16fam.
28:17I'm a big Hootie fan from way back in the day.
28:19Like I saw them at five points in Columbia, South Carolina before they hit it big and
28:26had a great time.
28:27And there were a bunch of people in my section that, uh, that, that knew me and were, you
28:31know, asking me about my predictions for the season and, and stuff like that.
28:35So it was, you know, that was cool, but sometimes you're, you're not in the right mindset and
28:39you're like, Oh yeah, I forgot.
28:42And also there was a guy at tasty burger, uh, who, who, uh, shouted me out.
28:46So it was a lot of fun.
28:47Yeah.
28:48So Luke, I don't know if you're even listening to this or watching this.
28:51Uh, if you are, you know who you are.
28:53I appreciate you, man.
28:54I appreciate your support.
28:55And so does Greg.
28:56All right, let's get to the, uh, the top three on your list, Greg, as far as players with
29:00the most pressure.
29:01Uh, number three, you've got KJ Osborne.
29:03Yeah, this was sort of, uh, their quote unquote big addition, uh, from the outside on an offense
29:09that obviously was not good last year.
29:12So, um, you know, this is, I mean, KJ is who he is.
29:18Maybe this is more pressure on Elliot Wolfe and the front office because they sort of
29:22identified him as a sort of a mid tier free agent that maybe the analytics really liked
29:28and like, you know, they have some upside here.
29:30Um, but you know, with Kendrick Bourne, we don't know what's going to go on with him.
29:35We don't know when the rookies are going to hit, are they going to be able to play right
29:39away?
29:40Are they ready for the NFL?
29:41KJ Osborne has been a productive guy in a really good offense in Minnesota.
29:47Um, you know, they, they had Justin Jefferson and then Jordan Addison.
29:52And so he went down the pecking order a little bit, but that's, you know, those are two first
29:57round rare talents at the receiver position.
30:00So he sort of took a medium deal for the Patriots.
30:04If he can come in here and really be high impact and show that, uh, that he can be a
30:11really good number two in this league.
30:14Um, he could set himself up for life, but so in terms of future and his contract, but
30:19also this team this year, this offense, you know, they need, they need KJ to produce.
30:24Yeah.
30:25I love the KJ Osborne one.
30:27We both really like Jalen Polk.
30:29We both believe he's an NFL receiver.
30:31He'll contribute in his rookie season, but you don't want to ask him to be the guy in
30:36this offense, uh, right, right off the bat.
30:39At least that's not a perfect scenario for you.
30:42You have his part of this equation.
30:44You've got Jayvon Baker who did not really take part in minicamp due to injury.
30:49So you know, where is Baker and his development?
30:52Is he going to be able to get on the field early this season?
30:55Kendrick Bourne's injury situation.
30:57Is he going to start the year on pop?
30:59What's what's going to happen with Bourne?
31:01It would be nice to walk into the year feeling like you've got pop Douglas and at least one
31:05other guy that you can feel really good about contributing right away.
31:11As high as we are on Jalen Polk.
31:12So Osborne, uh, could help that.
31:15He could be that guy to go along with pop and let's hope that he is.
31:18All right.
31:19We've got two more, both on the offensive line.
31:22Let's begin at left tackle with Chooks Acorafor.
31:25Yeah.
31:26So, you know, I think we all know the deal.
31:29Um, a lot of people are underwhelmed at Acorafor and what Elliott Wolfe has done at left tackle.
31:36Um, but you know, this is what's going to come down to this offense.
31:40You know, can they, can they block it right?
31:42And it starts at left tackle.
31:44Uh, the internally, they have a lot of faith in Acorafor.
31:47They think they've really hit on, on somebody again, another similar to Osborne, more of
31:52a mid tier guy that, you know, in the right scheme with the right coaching, then this
31:58guy can be better than he's been so far this year.
32:01But they're, they're, they're risking a lot on this.
32:03And we're not just talking about the offense.
32:06We're talking about the future franchise and Drake May, whenever he gets into the game.
32:12Um, I, I, that's probably where the most pressure is for Acorafor is if May plays, um, not to
32:19get the future of the franchise killed.
32:22And so there's going to be a lot of pressure on him to make sure that he performs to keep
32:28May safe.
32:29Uh, but there's no question that he needs to play really well if this team has a chance
32:34to compete.
32:35Chooks is just gigantic to this football team if, if he actually does prove that he can
32:41be a starting left tackle in the league, because if he proves that now your offensive line
32:46is, is so much in a better spot, you don't have to worry about that left tackle position
32:51this year.
32:52It brings you some stability, but also it could have far reaching implications, Greg,
32:56to the future of this team.
32:58As I mentioned just a little while ago, if this team does end up with the top six, seven,
33:03eight pick in the draft next year, if you have your left tackle figured out, if Chooks
33:09proves to be a starting player at that position, you now can do some other things with that
33:13top 10 pick in next year's draft.
33:15You might be able to look at a wide receiver.
33:17You might be able to look at, you know, best player available on the defense.
33:21It gives you a lot of different flexibility because I would imagine that they would pay
33:25Chooks if he proved to be that guy with all the cap space they have right now and going
33:29into next off season.
33:30So he changes the dynamic and he not only changes the dynamic for 2024, he changes that
33:36dynamic for maybe 2025, 26, 27, 28.
33:40So he is just huge, huge when it comes to significance and importance for this football
33:46team this year and maybe moving forward.
33:50The number one guy on your list, another offensive lineman, you wrote about him last week, talking
33:54to some sources.
33:56And that is, of course, Michael Wenow.
33:58Yeah, Nick, for me, this is all about the contract.
34:01I mean, he's getting paid $19 million a year.
34:04And when you agree to a contract like that, there is a certain level that is expected.
34:11And you know, is he going to be a right tackle?
34:13Is he going to be a right guard?
34:16You know, if he's that right guard, he better be a damn good right guard like he's been
34:20for the most part in his career.
34:22He better, he better be in shape.
34:24Is he in shape?
34:25I don't know.
34:26We'll have to see.
34:27Maybe he comes back to camp.
34:29Maybe he's in a little bit better shape.
34:31You know, does he stay on the field?
34:32Is he durable?
34:35You know, Mike didn't ask for this.
34:37The Patriots handed him this money.
34:39But you know, it's just the way it goes.
34:42You know, you get paid $19 million a year as an offensive lineman.
34:46You are expected to be pro bowl, all pro level type guy.
34:52And so that comes with a lot of pressure.
34:55And you know, not only like, you know, they're basically like looking for him to lead this
35:00offensive line along with David Andrews this year.
35:02And for a win, he's part of the future.
35:05He's got to, he's got to be the guy that everybody looks to and be like, all right, you know,
35:09nobody's getting past him.
35:12He's, he's blocking at a high rate.
35:14He's doing his job.
35:15He's reliable.
35:16He's on the field.
35:17All those things come with the contract.
35:19He didn't ask for it, but that's just the business, man.
35:23You know, you go into this year and you're hoping that you have at least two guys on
35:26that O-line that you know about and that you feel confident about, and that's David Andrews
35:30and that's Owenu.
35:32And if Owenu, for whatever reason, whether it's a shape thing, a lack of love thing,
35:37or he just, his play falls off for some unknown reason, man, that really affects this offensive
35:44line.
35:46If, if Owenu has a drop in play for any reason and Chooks doesn't show up on the left side,
35:53now you have a bit of a disaster because now you're banking on Calvin Anderson.
35:57You might be looking at someone like Leighton Robinson playing right guard.
36:01You might be hoping for Cole Strange to get back so you can swing Siddy So back to right
36:05guard.
36:07There are so many questions about this O-line if Owenu doesn't work out and it's on him
36:12now.
36:13You got the money.
36:15You have high expectations now as far as your play with that money you're going to get.
36:21And man, you got to make it happen because if you don't, it's going to be a mess.
36:25All right.
36:26I got one more question for Greg, but before we get to that question, I'll remind you this
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36:56Final question from me today, Greg, we talk about pressure on this team.
37:01We talk about pressure on the players.
37:03What about pressure on the quarterbacks?
37:05Yeah.
37:07You know, I figured you or somebody would ask, well, what about the quarterbacks?
37:11And the thing is, is like, I just think the bar is so low.
37:16They're just low for this offense in general.
37:18They have, you know, new offensive coordinator, a lot of new coaches, new players, you know,
37:24Jacoby Brissette.
37:25I mean, let's just take him, for example, nobody really expects much of him.
37:31You know, a lot of them are just waiting for Drake May to get his chance.
37:36So, you know, really, as long as Jacoby plays efficiently and if you keep this team around
37:41500 a lot of the year, you know, that's a success.
37:44I mean, if Jacoby Brissette's bad, I don't think anybody's really going to care.
37:50It's not going to be directed at Jacoby Brissette.
37:51It's going to be directed at Elliot Wolfe for not trying harder to get a better veteran
37:57quarterback.
37:59I think everybody knows, considering the pre-draft dialogue about Drake May and, you know, how
38:06he needs to work on a lot of things, really anything that he does this year, as long as
38:12he's not a disaster, is sort of gravy.
38:14So I don't think there's very, I don't think there's any pressure on either of those guys
38:18right now.
38:19The bar is so low, as you said, it's ridiculously low.
38:22The quarterback play was so bad last year, it's almost indescribable how bad the quarterback
38:26play was a year ago.
38:28I just can't fathom Brissette playing as badly as Mack and Bailey Zappi did.
38:33Could end up being wrong, but I also agree with you, if Brissette does play at that level,
38:39we're going to have much bigger issues to discuss than Jacoby Brissette.
38:43We're going to be looking at this situation and saying, man, Elliot Wolfe really swung
38:47and missed that left tackle.
38:48Choose a core four, didn't work out.
38:50He gave an extension to Mike Owenu, Owenu didn't love football, or he didn't, he wasn't
38:54the same player after that contract.
38:56That was a swing and a miss.
38:58You went out and you got KJ Osborne, that was great, but maybe you should have bent
39:01over backwards with Calvin Ridley or found some other way or been more aggressive trying
39:06to trade up.
39:07All of those questions will be brought back, even though I don't think all of them would
39:12be fair, but at least some of them would be, and it would be on Elliot Wolfe and it would
39:17be on the rest of this team.
39:18Quarterback, unless you have a top-notch guy like a Patrick Mahomes, it's a very dependent
39:23position and, you know, you need the tools to be able to do the job at the level.
39:29So I agree with you, not a lot of pressure on the quarterbacks this year.
39:33All right.
39:34He's Greg.
39:35I am Nick.
39:36We will talk to you soon.
39:38Be well.
39:39Enjoy your holiday, all that stuff.
39:41This is the Greg Medard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cavill.
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