On this episode of the Jeff Goodman & Bob Ryan Podcast, Jeff talks about how Tatum deal was a no brainer but the C’s rolled the dice on Jaylen and it worked. The reason the Wyc is selling has a lot to do with Irv Grousbeck – in our opinion. All the free agent moves were for older players. The young guns are happy were they are. And much more!
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00:00Everybody, it's Gary Tagway along with Jeff Goodman.
00:25We will catch up with Bob Ryan later who is traveling right now.
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00:35Jeff, we've got some work to do here.
00:37No surprise, the Celtics made Jason Tatum the richest man in the NBA.
00:42For now.
00:43For now.
00:44For now.
00:45Till next year when somebody else will get a bigger max contract.
00:48But yeah, no surprise, I mean Jalen Brown will be the highest paid player this coming
00:54season.
00:55Right.
00:56And Jason Tatum will be the highest paid player the following season.
00:58So it doesn't surprise me.
01:02I got to say again, you know kind of where I stood with Jason Tatum from the get go.
01:08So this doesn't really surprise me all that much.
01:11I think, you know, just like people kind of hated on Jalen Brown for being the highest
01:15paid player.
01:18And I was one of them because I don't think at that point Jalen Brown was deserving.
01:22Now if you gave it to him now, I would say, OK, you know what?
01:25He proved it.
01:26To me, Jason Tatum has proven his worth prior to getting this, you know, this contract that
01:33makes him the highest paid player in the NBA.
01:35Like to me, is he the best player?
01:37No, there's probably three guys that you probably take over Jason Tatum right now.
01:42But he's in the he's in the equation.
01:47It's just we knew it was coming.
01:48And we're going to get to the Celtics ownership.
01:51It just shows how smart the Celtics ownership is and that they are committed to winning.
01:56Also, they had their choice here.
01:58They had zero choice on this one.
02:00I actually think.
02:01Oh, no, but I'm talking about coupling the two together.
02:03Sure.
02:04Well, yeah, I mean, there's a lot some guys, you know, as well as I do, Jeff, some guys
02:07would have traded Jalen Brown and say, I'm not paying two guys.
02:10And they did.
02:11I would have.
02:12I would have a few years ago.
02:13Now, last year, I think their decision they made last year was was looking back on it.
02:19And it was actually very, very smart, which was not to penny pinch Jalen Brown, right?
02:25You might have been you might have gone to him and said, hey, we're not giving you the
02:27full max.
02:28You haven't earned it.
02:29You're terrible in the playoffs.
02:31We're not giving it to you.
02:32Instead, they said, hey, we're going to reward you and give you the full max because we believe
02:36on you, believe in you.
02:38And then in turn, what did Jalen Brown do?
02:41He went out and he worked his ass off and he got better and he showed him that it was
02:46the right decision with Tatum.
02:48There's no decision here.
02:49I mean, this this was this was the biggest no brainer there was.
02:54And same thing with Derek White, one hundred twenty five million seems like a bargain.
02:58So there's I mean, I love this dude.
03:01He's he's the fabric of what makes this team so great.
03:05He really is.
03:06I mean, again, it's no coincidence.
03:11But the franchise in the it started to flip when they got Derek White, literally that's
03:19when they if you look at it all, that's when they started to win again.
03:23They were a mediocre team.
03:25And then all of a sudden they acquired Derek White.
03:27Not like he was great.
03:28He wasn't.
03:29Remember, he could make a shot in the playoffs that year.
03:31But what he did was he instilled the attitude that I think was needed in that Celtics locker
03:37room, which was, hey, like this, this isn't about me.
03:42This isn't about any individual.
03:44This is about team.
03:45And as he ascended and started to play really well, nothing changed with Derek White.
03:51Like he is who he is and nothing's going to change.
03:54This dude is all he's he's just what's right about everything about the NBA.
03:59Like Derek White is like the poster child for what's right about the NBA and an NBA
04:05player who worked his way up from, you know, the division two ranks to Colorado, to San
04:12Antonio, where they couldn't wait to get rid of him.
04:15Because remember, they wanted DeJounte Murray to be the guy at that point.
04:18So they got rid of Derek White.
04:19Right.
04:20Stevens got hammered that first year.
04:21Why do you overpay 18 million a year for Derek White?
04:24And now that was a bargain and he helped you, you know, win a championship and maybe be
04:30in contention and win others.
04:32And I have to believe that Rick Grosbeck and his father, who are selling their share
04:37of the team, I have to believe they knew that this was coming.
04:40This had been in the works.
04:41They're very smart businessmen.
04:42So they said, we're going to invest in the team and we're going to pass the cost on to
04:48whoever buys the team now.
04:51Wick is going to stay on until he's probably 64, 65 and ballparking there as until the
04:57sale is complete.
04:59Now, I have a lot of thoughts about this.
05:03So I'm going to break it down and tell you how I understand the ownership group.
05:06You have Rick Grosbeck, you have Irv Grosbeck, who is a very important part of this equation.
05:13Okay.
05:14Yep.
05:15And Steve Pagliuca.
05:17Then you have the Abbey Group.
05:18Shout out to Bobby and Dave Epstein and Eric Swensen.
05:23So you have that group.
05:25So those are the four major partners.
05:27And then you have all the other guys filling in the blanks, right?
05:30But the Grosbecks are basically the majority owners because it's father and son.
05:35And Wick wanted to buy the team and his father's a brilliant businessman, Rick's a smart guy.
05:39So the two together started the process.
05:42Then they brought in Pags and they brought in the Abbey Group because I know that the
05:45Epsteins were interested in buying and so forth.
05:48So Irv is a self-made billionaire and has taught in the Ivy Leagues.
05:55He's taught at Stanford.
05:57And I have to believe that he and Wick, this is my opinion, had this strategy that like,
06:02look, and when they talk about the trust and all that, the family, that's real.
06:06Okay.
06:07That's real stuff.
06:08Right.
06:09And when you're talking about a lot of money.
06:10So I think when they also took a page out of Mark Cuban's book, they look at what Cuban
06:15did.
06:16Yeah.
06:17Right.
06:18Because they said, okay, you know, I could, Wick says I can run the team till I'm in my
06:22mid sixties, which is great.
06:23I won two championships financially.
06:26This could become a problem for us because let's face it, Jeff, owning a sports franchise
06:30now, you gotta be Bill Gates.
06:33I mean, you know, so I think it makes complete sense.
06:38I think it makes complete sense.
06:42Can I push back?
06:43Sure.
06:44I don't know the answer.
06:45You may not know the answer to this, but he's 63 years old, Wick.
06:49He is a fan.
06:50He's a fan boy.
06:51Make no mistake.
06:52He is a fan boy.
06:53No question.
06:54So I think that makes him a good owner.
06:55I agree.
06:56I mean, listen, I think what made him a good owner was, was hiring Danny Ainge because
07:01same thing he had to do.
07:02He had to make the move, but not totally.
07:04But again, Danny Ainge was the one who hired Brad Stevens.
07:07Correct.
07:08Danny Ainge was probably the one if my guess is who kind of made the decision that, hey,
07:15Brad Stevens will be a good GM, right?
07:18Like, let's face it.
07:19That wasn't Wick.
07:21That had to be Danny Ainge telling Wick, hey, listen, sure.
07:23This is the right move to make now.
07:25Go get a new coach, put Brad in the GM role.
07:28He'll be great.
07:29And in turn, I'm going to go to Utah.
07:31But a good owner, but a good owner listens to his people.
07:33Totally.
07:34No, no.
07:35I'm all, I'm all for it.
07:36He made some really good decisions here and honestly didn't micromanage and let Danny
07:43and Brad do their thing.
07:46My question to you is like, okay, are they doing it now?
07:51Because they feel like now is the ceiling for right now to make all this money.
07:58Like you're going to sell it, you're going to make huge money, you're still going to
08:01be involved.
08:02You're not going to be the majority guy.
08:03And maybe it just takes, I guess, some of the things that you have to do off your plate
08:11as you get into your mid-60s and you can enjoy life.
08:15I just, I can't comprehend that part of it because they're at the top right now.
08:20Why would you sell when you have a chance to win a couple more titles over these next
08:25couple of years, Gary, and be like the hero around here and be revered even more than
08:32you're revered right now?
08:33I don't think Wick's age has anything to do with it.
08:37I don't think Wick has anything to do with it.
08:38And this isn't any disrespect to Wick.
08:40I think it's all about Irv Grousbeck.
08:42He's 89 years old.
08:43Okay.
08:44So you think it's his decision?
08:47Yeah.
08:48Yeah, I think, and I think, and I don't want to make it sound like Wick is like daddy's
08:54boy and all that because he's taken some unfair crap on that.
08:58This deal doesn't go down without Irv.
09:00No question.
09:01Okay.
09:02So Irv comes in and Wick, they buy the team.
09:05Wick has been an amazing owner.
09:06I want to be clear.
09:08He's been an amazing owner.
09:10You think dad just said, Hey, listen, I'm going to bankroll most of this deal and I'm
09:15going to let you run things.
09:16I don't know.
09:18Well, see, again, I don't want it.
09:21I don't want to make Wick sound like he's richy rich because I think, you know, I really,
09:26I don't want that to happen because Wick's pissed at me enough as it is, you know, I
09:30mean, it doesn't matter anymore.
09:32It doesn't matter.
09:33But, but I don't want to make it sound like that.
09:35Look, Irv Grousbeck was one of the, one of the founders of cable television.
09:40He made a gazillion dollars.
09:41Okay.
09:42So if Wick is born like you and I, right, he doesn't buy the Celtics.
09:47Now, what Wick did is Wick put together a terrific ownership group.
09:51He put together a terrific management team.
09:53He put the right people in place.
09:55They could have won three or four championships, right?
09:58If Kyrie works out, if Garnett doesn't get hurt.
10:01Okay.
10:02So there could have been more.
10:03But what I'm saying is, if you take a look at what happened, oh God, I just blanked.
10:10The richest man in the world, God, he just, at 93, he just, Warren Buffett, God, thank
10:19you.
10:20Warren Buffett just said 99% of my inheritance is going to go to charity and my kids are
10:25going to run the foundation.
10:26And that means the kids, the three kids get the 1%, which I'm sure is plenty to live on,
10:31right?
10:32So I think at 89 years old, Irv Grosbeck, you know, the financial guys, they come around,
10:36they say, look, we got to make this work.
10:39Also, it could be a financial nightmare for the family.
10:41Oh, so you think that, that may have been here.
10:44That's what I think it is.
10:45Like get your finances in order before you go.
10:49Right.
10:5089, let's sell the team.
10:52That way you can, I don't know.
10:53How many kids does he have?
10:54Do you know?
10:55No, just Wick.
10:56Oh, that's it?
10:57Yeah.
10:58And I think Wick's got two.
10:59So the point is, is that.
11:01So why do you have to worry about it?
11:02If you only got one kid, why do you have to worry about it?
11:04I don't know.
11:05But when you put in, when you put in the press release, the trust and future considerations,
11:12Jeff, I don't understand the numbers, man.
11:14I mean, but when you put in the trust and when you put words like trust and will and
11:21family considerations, that has to be part of it.
11:25I just, again, I feel like why couldn't Wick have said to his dad, Hey, listen, give me
11:30two more years here.
11:31We can win two more titles.
11:32Let me enjoy.
11:33This is the.
11:34I, you know, I don't know.
11:36Why now?
11:37Why now?
11:38Instead of when the window starts to close, which I'm not sure it'll even close in two
11:43years.
11:44I think right now they probably look at it as a business decision and they say the price
11:49of the team will never be higher.
11:51But it will.
11:52It will.
11:53It'll still be higher.
11:54Well, that's what they say.
11:56But they've won a championship.
11:57They're coming off a championship.
11:58They have young players and Wick gets to run it until 2028.
12:03Even if you, even if it doesn't, again, now again, I think he'll be involved just like
12:08Mark Cuban's involved after, you know, selling 73% of the Mavs.
12:14Like it's not like Mark Cuban's not going to be sitting behind the bench still.
12:17He's still going to be sitting behind the bench and have a, you know, a say and, and
12:21still own a portion of the team.
12:24But it's different.
12:25It's different when you are the guy.
12:27Wick has been the guy for a long time here.
12:32And I just don't understand why you would give it up now as opposed to wait in a couple
12:37more years.
12:38Again, dad is 89.
12:40So you don't think dad is enjoying this too?
12:43I think dad is driven by the numbers.
12:46And I think the numbers tell them to sell now.
12:48Now that's what I think.
12:51And again, that is no disrespect to Wick because what you're saying is correct.
12:58I think Wick loves being the owner.
13:00I think Wick loves, I think that's why he's a great owner.
13:03Look, if you're going to own a team, if you're going to own a team, to me, you got to be
13:07like Cuban.
13:08You got to be like Robert Kraft.
13:10For a while, John Henry was all in.
13:11Now who knows?
13:13You got to be all in.
13:14Now we know.
13:15Not who knows.
13:16Now we know.
13:17I mean, but, but to me, you want to be all in.
13:20You want to win, you know, and, and even if you're silent and you're in the backgrounds,
13:24it's all about, I mean, like, hey, Wick said it, the Red Sox are cutting back.
13:29And we said, no, we're going forward now.
13:31We do know that they're going forward, but somebody else is going to have to pay the
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14:28Here's my idea.
14:30I think I have the perfect guy to be involved in the next ownership.
14:36That's good.
14:37And I hope it's not John Henry because he's sniffing.
14:39Bob Ryan.
14:40I think we need to get Bob Ryan involved.
14:42It might be a minority stake.
14:45I think he's saved his shekels over the years.
14:48I think Bob Ryan might have like under his bed, millions of dollars from all his around
14:55the horn appearances from all his Boston Globe columns.
15:00There might be a million, couple million, I don't know how many million.
15:03He hasn't spent a lot more than that.
15:05We know that.
15:06He hasn't spent it on clothes because it's the standard.
15:09It's the standard navy blue blazer, light blue shirt, slacks, or some t-shirt that somebody
15:15gave him.
15:17I think somebody though, whoever buys the Celtics should just throw Bob Ryan a bone
15:23and give him like, put him on the list of owners.
15:29Put him last, but put Bob Ryan on the list of ownership in the ownership group.
15:33How cool would that be?
15:34Well, the concern right now is whoever buys it, will they have the same emotional investment
15:39as the Grousebacks?
15:40No, probably not.
15:41Probably not, because they did.
15:42I mean, and look, Wick deserves, as does Pags and everybody else, but you know, Wick, if
15:49you're a fan, you should have nothing but praise for Wick Grouseback.
15:53And look, Wick is an emotional guy.
15:55He's been mad at me.
15:56He's probably been mad at you.
15:58He gets angry with the media.
16:00He defends his guys.
16:01Wick Grouseback is everything.
16:02They get mad at me.
16:04They used to get mad at me, both he and Pagliuca, when I would hammer Rondo.
16:08I think that was the time.
16:09Oh, right.
16:10Yeah, Rondo, yeah.
16:11They were not happy with you.
16:12They were not happy with that.
16:13But that's what you want in an owner.
16:14I mean, Wick Grouseback is everything you want in an owner.
16:16So to sum it up, my feeling, this is a business move driven by Irv and the family.
16:23And again, that's no disrespect to Wick.
16:25I just think that, and I think that probably one of the reasons, I mean, that's one of
16:29the reasons he's sticking around.
16:31I mean, he's going to get to enjoy this until 2028.
16:35And I think that what we're looking at is it's very hard for a family to own a sports
16:43franchise now.
16:46It's just, I mean, did you see what the, I mean, we're talking about billions of dollars.
16:50Yeah.
16:51I mean, he bought it for $360 million and they're going to sell it for $5 billion or
16:55something, $6 billion, $7 billion.
16:57Look at the crafts have done.
16:59They said Robert Kraft overpaid for the Patriots.
17:01Now it's worth $5 billion.
17:03So, you know, unless you're Buffett or unless you're Gates, that's a big knot, man.
17:11Even if you're a part owner, but that's what I think.
17:13I think it's driven by the numbers and I think Irv has a lot to do with it.
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18:34That's what I think.
18:35All right.
18:36Let's get...
18:37Can we get on real free agency?
18:38Since...
18:39Okay.
18:40Yeah.
18:41It's been, by the way, the most boring NBA free agency opening that we've had in a long
18:47time.
18:48And I think part of it is obviously the big names were older guys, you know, Paul George,
18:52Klay Thompson.
18:53It wasn't a high level group.
18:55I also think, Gary, we didn't have the malcontent that was asking to be traded this year,
19:03right? We didn't have the James Harden. It feels like every other year, James Harden,
19:07you know, especially when he was in his prime, was demanding a trade.
19:11Dame Lillard, right, a year ago, was demanding a trade. I think KD did it,
19:17you know, years ago. Like, I just feel we don't have that this year. Nobody, there's nobody that's
19:23basically saying, like, no, I'm, you know, I'm not, I mean, the biggest deal we had was before
19:30free agency opened, I thought Mikkel Bridges going to the Knicks, that trade was probably
19:37the biggest fireworks we've had so far, because it made a contending team and a big market team
19:44that's been irrelevant for a long time, better, more relevant, more relevant. I'm not sure they're
19:48there, we talked about this last week, to challenge the Celtics if they're healthy,
19:53but they're better, they're better, and they lost Hartenstein to Oklahoma City there, so they're
19:59going to have to figure out what to do at the five-man spot, whether it's just going to be,
20:02like, a little small ball with Julius Randle, or they can move Julius Randle. But, you know,
20:07when the biggest names are Paul George and Klay Thompson that are in their mid-30s,
20:12that are on the downside of their career, that have been oft-injured over the last three or
20:17four years and are not the same player they were, obviously, in their late 20s, yeah, I just,
20:24it didn't move the needle for me. Nothing's moved the needle. Donovan Mitchell resigned
20:28with Cleveland this morning, that was something that was kind of a formality for most people,
20:36and Cleveland's fine. Again, they're good. Well, nothing happened that says to me, Gary,
20:42that the landscape of the NBA has shifted to whereas, like, the order isn't still the Celtics.
20:53I still think Denver, if they have a healthy Jamal Murray. Like, Jamal Murray wasn't healthy
21:00last postseason. Let's call it what it is. So, I still think Denver's number two, and then, like,
21:07yeah, Minnesota. I mean, Minnesota, certainly, with what they did in the draft, Gary,
21:13getting Rob Dillingham and Terrence Shannon Jr., like, I think Minnesota's made themselves better,
21:20which is what you have to do if you're a small market team like that. You have to do it through
21:24the draft, and they've done it. But, you know, Paul George to Philly, I think it's a bad fit.
21:32On the court, it looks like a great fit because that's what they needed, right? They need a
21:36two-way wing to go along with them, beat, and max it, okay? A big wing. What I would say is,
21:43my biggest concern is twofold. One, Paul George is always hurt, okay? Always hurt in his mid-30s.
21:49Number two, I don't think up here, you got to be able to handle Philly. You know that.
21:57Good luck. Good luck, Paul George, when things go bad because I just don't
22:06think he's equipped to be able to handle Philly, especially at this point in his career. Like,
22:10again, if you're in your mid-to-late 20s, you're at the top of your game, this, that, and the other.
22:16Now, we know Paul George, he hasn't, last year was the most games he's played in, like, five years.
22:23So, like, and there were 72 games or something like that. Most of these years, it's been
22:2750, 60 games. Those feds are going to crucify him if he doesn't carry them too deep in the
22:33playoffs and is on the court. So, I don't love it, but my take with Daryl Morey has always been,
22:40it's like he plays stratumatic basketball. Right. Like, he plays stratumatic. Like,
22:44he doesn't think of, like, how everybody actually fits. It's just about the numbers
22:49and accumulating talent and never about how they fit together. Yeah. Well, I think it's a desperate
22:56last-second swing. Sure. You know, down to Embiid. That was hardened in Philly,
23:02right? That was hardened in Philly. Same thing. You know, if Embiid is healthy,
23:05you got a shot. It doesn't matter. That, to me, is he, if he's healthy, it's still his team,
23:13he's the guy. But the Celtics are so damn deep. You know, I don't, if they can stay healthy,
23:19I don't see anybody. And the way they played, it's the Celtics' league to win again. But in
23:24health is the thing. So, and another thing, Jeff, I wanted to say is none of the big players
23:32have a reason to be unhappy. They're getting paid. Well, they're getting paid. But, like,
23:38in Dallas, okay, the big guys in Dallas and Denver, they just want to play ball. They don't
23:44seem to, and they're getting paid. No drama. No drama. Kyrie, there's no drama with Kyrie right
23:50now because he's found a home. Right. So, you know, those guys want to get paid.
23:56They're getting paid. The life they have here is wonderful. They're happy. One got to the finals.
24:02One won the finals a year ago. So, you know, who's complaining? The Celtics stars. They're
24:08not complaining. They got nothing to complain about. You know, LeBron always had something
24:12going on. KD wasn't happy in Golden State. You know, there's just none of that.
24:19Yeah. Even the young guy, like Shea Gildas, Alexander, they won enough at Oklahoma City
24:25last year. Right. So, you know, Jalen Brunson, obviously won enough in New York. So, who,
24:31the guys that you could think, if there were a guy that wanted out right now, the guy that you
24:38would say would want out would be LeBron, right, would be LeBron. He's got his, he's got Bronny.
24:44Correct. And he doesn't want to move from L.A. So, like, he's the one, right, Anthony Davis
24:50and LeBron. Right. They don't want to leave. Well, they're repped by the same agent. Right.
24:54They don't want to break each other up because they feel like their only chance to be pretty
24:58good is if they stay together. So, you know, I mean, I guess the only other guy you look at is,
25:04like, KD, is he unhappy again? Like, there might be a point where Kevin Durant wants out of Phoenix
25:10again. No one cares. I know. I know. But he's the guy. You know, the other one I could see in a
25:17couple of years is if, like, well, even in a year, what does Jimmy Butler do in a year? Right. What
25:23is Jimmy Butler? Does he want out in a year and try to win a championship and go with, go with
25:28the team? Like, I think he was the better fit back in Philly, to be honest. And Paul, I agree
25:34with you. He could handle it. Yeah, you're right. He's done. It didn't go great, but he's done it.
25:40And yes, he can handle it. I don't know how. I think he and Embiid are good, but you never know
25:45with Jimmy. You never know. Yeah, I know. But yeah, Jimmy is the third option. Jimmy is the
25:52third option. You have a chance to win a title. I agree. But yeah, he's you know, there are a few
26:00guys that you could see is like if things go bad. But a lot of these guys, like you said, they're
26:06younger or the older ones like aren't going anywhere. Like, you know, the old stars who are
26:15KD, they don't want to go anywhere. I mean, I'm not going anywhere. Steph's retiring Golden State.
26:21No, he's happy. He's not letting him play. He's won enough. He's did he win three or four, four,
26:27three, four. Well, OK, so he's good. And then Minnesota, I thought, because they underachieved
26:35possibly, would there be some finger pointing? There wasn't. No, no, no. Listen, I've come a
26:41long way on it, Anthony Edwards, a long way, because, again, I keep going back to what I
26:46saw of him in college in his one year. And it was a disaster, a complete disaster. But again,
26:52I blame the coach, Tom Crean, more than I blame Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards always had the
26:57talent. It was just how he was utilized. There was was completely wrong. And he's just, man,
27:05he's better than I thought. He's just a better basketball player than I thought he was. He's a
27:10better shooter, a better facilitator. He plays hard all the time like he's he doesn't play like
27:16he's entitled at all. Like he just and my biggest worry with Anthony Edwards was always like going
27:22to Minnesota. Right. It had no culture. Right. Like I just thought he needed to go to a place
27:28where the culture was strong. In Minnesota, there was no culture. But again, what they've done there,
27:34the, you know, the management in Minnesota with Tim Connelly has been awesome.
27:39Yeah. And they're going to win. He's what is he, 22? Yeah. I mean, they're going to win.
27:44This is good. The guy that you still want to see, can he get back is John Moran. Can John Moran
27:50get right. Right. Years ago when we were talking literally about Tatum, Luca and job, those were
27:58the three. And now John has become an afterthought. And just as a pure basketball fan, he's great to
28:03watch. Yes. You know, you're rooting for the guy. You got a problem. You hope he comes back.
28:08I just want to see if I won't. Right. Maybe he needs to get out of. I almost feel like to
28:13he might need to get out of Memphis, get out of Memphis, maybe out of Memphis,
28:17get with another star. Right. It's a little more mature. Yeah. Can teach him like I just don't
28:23know who there is in Memphis. Yeah. You know, he needs to know. I know this doesn't rock.
28:29That's who. Hey, that's who the Lakers need. Imagine if the Lakers had John Moran. I was
28:33just going to say that. Like, I don't know how it would work cap wise and all that stuff. But
28:37like John Moran with LeBron over his shoulder. Perfect. Right. Perfect. Jeffrey, we're good,
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