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00:00There has never been an inquiry of this scale in the annals of police history.
00:06He must speak with a Geordie accent.
00:09Anybody not meeting these five points, they're gone.
00:12Mr. Peter Sutcliffe.
00:15I do not think the man on the table is the Ripper.
00:17You've made a clue.
00:18I want that on record.
00:19But you're wrong.
00:20This is starting to affect the public's confidence in the police as a whole, nationally.
00:24The most wanted man of the century.
00:27More resources than anyone ever.
00:29And you have failed.
00:31I want to ask everyone to please help us find the person who killed my daughter.
00:37You won't be back in a hurry.
00:39No.
00:40But I'll turn up somewhere.
00:59It's quiet enough here, isn't it?
01:05Yeah.
01:06It's fine.
01:07I come here all the time.
01:08I won't be disturbed.
01:09You got a tenner for me?
01:11Okay.
01:12There's nothing to worry about.
01:13You hear?
01:14I'm not worried.
01:15I can't do much more than that.
01:16It's going to get rough.
01:17What's going to get rough?
01:18Why don't we get him back?
01:42No, you're my girlfriend.
02:10Is this your car, sir?
02:20Yes.
02:21Can you give me your name and address?
02:24I am John Williams, 65 Dorchester Road, Rotherham.
02:28And who's she?
02:31My girlfriend.
02:33And what's her name?
02:38I don't know.
02:39We've not known each other that long.
02:42Right.
02:43Just stay there.
02:44256 to Control.
02:45Control speaking.
02:46A number plate check, please.
02:47256.
02:48256.
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02:51256.
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03:07Roger that.
03:08Go ahead.
03:09Yeah.
03:10It's Foxtrot Echo Hotel, 907 Juliet.
03:11Over.
03:12That's coming up as a Skoda Saloon.
03:13Owner is a Mr. Aslam Khan.
03:14Over.
03:15Right.
03:16So the number plate, please.
03:17256.
03:18256.
03:19256.
03:20256.
03:21256.
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03:29Right.
03:30Right.
03:31So the number plates on your vehicle don't match that of the car itself.
03:40So what's going to happen now is I'm going to arrest you both on suspicion of theft.
03:44And if this turns out to be soliciting as well, well, we'll get into that back at the
03:49station.
03:50OK?
03:51Right.
03:52Out you get.
03:53Well, leave your car.
03:54You heard him.
03:55Let's go.
03:56Come on, chop chop.
03:57Come on.
03:58Get a sticker in the back.
04:09Where do you think you're going?
04:10Need a piss.
04:11Well, quickly then.
04:12Do it over there.
04:28You've been in before, have you, haven't you, for prostitution?
04:42And that's what you were doing this evening when we picked you up.
04:46The fines get worse the more you deny it.
04:48You know what they do.
04:50You've got two kids at home, it says so, hasn't it?
04:53So the more you sit there not saying out, the more the food's coming off their table,
04:59doesn't it?
05:00Doesn't it?
05:01Start by saying your name.
05:02You know my name.
05:03Nice and clearly, so PC Smallear can write it down.
05:14My name is Olivia Reavers.
05:17Go on.
05:18My name is Olivia Reavers.
05:21I am a prostitute.
05:23I'm a prostitute.
05:28And I am guilty, yet again, guilty of picking up a punter, this time on the evening of January
05:342nd, 1981.
05:35Go on.
05:36You tell the story.
05:37I got picked up this evening.
05:38For sex.
05:39Go on.
05:40For sex.
05:41For £10.
05:42Went in his car.
05:44But there I hit.
05:45Then that's when you came along.
05:46Right.
05:47Thank you.
05:48If you just sign here, I'll let you go.
05:49You'll get a court date through, likely mean another fine more severe this time.
06:01Because it's repeat offences, you see?
06:12This is just what happens when you can't leave it alone.
06:21What about this bloke who picked you up?
06:25His car number plates were registered in his name.
06:28What's that got to do with me?
06:30What, you've never met him, or he's not a regular, or...
06:36I've no idea who he is.
06:39Just some...
06:41Just some ordinary guy.
06:46You've given your name as John Williams of Canclo, Rotherham.
06:52There is no John Williams of Canclo, Rotherham.
06:56So, come on.
06:59What's your real name?
07:04Sutcliffe. Peter William Sutcliffe.
07:08From?
07:09Garden Lane, Heaton.
07:11Bradford?
07:13No.
07:14No.
07:16Is that your real name and address, or are those more lies?
07:18No, no, no, you can check that.
07:21So why lie the first time, Peter?
07:24I said a fake name because I panicked.
07:28I regret that now, I should never have done it.
07:30Those plates on your car, they don't belong to you, do they?
07:35You stole them.
07:36Why?
07:37We didn't want people seeing you in red light areas.
07:40It's not against the law to go in red light area.
07:42We're not saying it is.
07:43You sold us and we're criminals.
07:45We're not saying otherwise.
07:49We're asking why you'd be driving about with stolen plates.
07:57So you're admitting that you stole them, then?
08:08So you've got that now?
08:12Sorry?
08:13I've admitted that, so you can charge me and let me go.
08:18Well, what's the big hurry, Peter?
08:20I just want to get back, that's all.
08:22To Bradford?
08:24You're to Bradford, aren't you?
08:30I like this ripper business, that's been up Bradford way.
08:33I've got to get back to Bradford.
08:35I like this ripper business, that's been up Bradford way, hasn't it?
08:43Leach.
08:45What's that her name?
08:48The student?
08:49She with Bradford?
08:54Have you ever been questioned about the ripper, Peter?
09:00What's so funny about that?
09:05Look at me.
09:09Have you been questioned, or not?
09:14Everybody has.
09:18This one, is it?
09:23Have you seen him?
09:27Where?
09:29Oh, well, I doubt it. He's never been on Sheffield.
09:31What accent's he got?
09:36At one o'clock in the morning, you've no chance.
09:39Nor is nobody else here, and if there were,
09:41it's always the same bloody thing.
09:43Well, bail him, then.
09:47Leach won't send anyone. They're saying it's too late.
09:50So they're happy to bail him?
09:52Well, we can't keep a man overnight, Des.
09:54Not on stolen plates.
09:56Especially if he's admitted it.
09:58If that couldn't be the reason we're holding him,
10:00that'd be the excuse.
10:02We should follow their advice.
10:04Rob's right, sir.
10:06If Leach aren't bothered, then why should we be?
10:09Because we're here, and we can feel it.
10:12We can feel that something ain't right.
10:34I thought you were off home.
10:54Is it just me, or are his car parks wrong?
10:56Punters usually park pointing away from the road
10:59to stop people seeing in, you know,
11:01when they're doing the business he were facing out.
11:03Do you remember?
11:04Like he wanted a quick getaway?
11:06Maybe.
11:07Or he weren't wanting sex.
11:09So if he weren't wanting sex, what were you going to do?
11:13Do what with?
11:15Sorry?
11:16What with?
11:18If he's Ripper, he'd have had weapons on him.
11:20A hammer and...
11:22But we searched him.
11:24Searched his car. He never had out.
11:26Come on.
11:36Come on.
11:56Come on.
12:24Come on.
12:44Yep, that's fine.
12:46OK, yep, checking for you now.
12:49Thanks. Bye.
13:07Four corsair.
13:18Walk.
13:23Corsair.
13:46I'll get the others.
13:56Morning.
13:57Morning.
14:06Sue?
14:10Sue?
14:12What's happening?
14:14Have they cut him?
14:16I think so.
14:27Right, so they've kept him in this fella overnight.
14:31So what they're saying is one of the coppers went back,
14:34had a look down by the side of these bins,
14:36you know, where they'd nicked him,
14:38and that's where they found it.
14:40Found what?
14:41Hammer and knife.
14:42Kitchen knife.
14:43Same as they used on Ritko.
14:45Fucking hell.
14:46I'll phone Sheffield.
14:47Tell them I want that scene sterile.
14:49No more coppers tramping about and two of them throwing.
14:51Well, no, look, to be fair, they did find the weapons.
14:53There's nothing to link the weapons to him, is there?
14:55Not unless there's prints of the prints.
14:57Well, I'm going to wait.
14:58So where is he now?
15:00Well, they're bringing him to West Yorkshire so we can take over.
15:03Right, and these are his details?
15:04Yeah.
15:11It's George Oldfield.
15:13Now, come on, what is it?
15:15Hmm?
15:16This is everything we've worked towards.
15:17This is him.
15:19PHONE RINGS
15:24Grangemore.
15:26George.
15:27Yeah.
15:29I think they've got him.
15:32Yeah, his name's Peter Sutcliffe, lorry driver.
15:34Getting him back to West Yorkshire as we speak.
15:38We've been here before, Dick.
15:40Yeah, I know.
15:43You've got to be absolutely sure.
15:46Agreed. I'll get on it.
16:09KNOCK AT DOOR
16:15Mrs Peter Sutcliffe.
16:17Do you have a word?
16:28PHONE RINGS
16:29Mrs Sutcliffe, your husband is in police custody.
16:32He was brought in last night in Sheffield, been transferred as we speak.
16:36Some financial analysts suggested...
16:38OK, listen, love.
16:41I've got half the detectives in the north of England
16:43saying that your Peter is the Yorkshire Ripper.
16:45Mine's made up.
16:47So if there's anything you want to tell me,
16:49that might dissuade them from that opinion, anything at all,
16:51this is the time to say it.
16:54Do you mind if I ask a few questions?
16:57Just some specifics.
17:00Would that be all right?
17:03Some of you?
17:05Do you mind if I call some of you?
17:07KNOCK AT DOOR
17:10GUNSHOTS
17:13Do you mind if I call some of you?
17:15Do you mind if I call some of you?
17:17DOOR KNOCKS
17:21GUNSHOTS
17:29Sonia, I have a list of dates,
17:32so if you can think of any way to demonstrate...
17:35He would have been at work. Sorry?
17:37Or he was with me.
17:39Well, Mrs Sutcliffe, I haven't asked you the dates yet.
17:51..price and bond share prices may be due to a lack of confidence
17:54in other investment options...
17:5630th 10th 1975,
17:59now I know that's five years ago.
18:01It's vitally important that we know the whereabouts of Peter.
18:0820th 31st 1975...
18:14Sonia, this is really...
18:16John.
18:21There's one missing.
18:27I'll call Milner.
18:36He's named in nominal three times,
18:38his car's in vacant multiple times
18:40and he's listed in triple-area sightings.
18:44We did our bit.
18:46You know, you've got to be careful.
18:49If it's him, then everything will log to him in the right places.
18:55It's all we could do.
18:58But if we did that,
19:00then they must have been out.
19:02They must have interviewed him already.
19:04They must have done.
19:06They did.
19:07More than once.
19:09Far too many people stood around doing nothing
19:11when there's plenty of work to be done.
19:13So get on with it now.
19:20Have they asked you back in?
19:22No, but they will do.
19:24They won't want me sitting round here doing nothing,
19:26won't they?
19:29Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
19:35I will call you.
19:49Move!
20:19Move!
20:33The press are outside already.
20:37Speaking to them shortly.
20:39Yeah, I was just saying that he's coughed up, he's confessed.
20:42About ten minutes ago.
20:44He's admitted everything.
20:46He's admitted McCann, Jackson, Richardson.
20:48He's even admitted to doing another one after Barbara Leach.
20:52Now, apparently he said that he were hoping to get bail.
20:55He said he was going to get a cab to Sheffield,
20:58pick up them weapons and then he'd be in the clear.
21:01He said all that?
21:03What, just two bobbies in Sheffield?
21:05Well, he wants it all off his chest.
21:07He said things about the ill-murderer
21:09that only the killer could know.
21:11He said things...
21:13well, that nobody ever should know.
21:15Well, let's have it.
21:18Is he a Geordie?
21:20He's from Bradford.
21:22Well, his voice, Jim, does he sound like a Geordie?
21:26He sounds like he's from Bradford.
21:49Oh.
21:52Afternoon.
21:54All right.
21:56Thank God.
22:07We have this afternoon,
22:09in this very building,
22:11detained a man on several counts of murder.
22:14We are questioning him
22:16in relation to the Ripper murders.
22:19It is expected
22:21that he will appear before the court tomorrow.
22:24Is it fair to say, then,
22:26that the hunt for the Ripper is over?
22:28That's right.
22:30Sir, have you got any information on the man?
22:32Not at this stage.
22:34Can you tell us if he's got a Geordie accent?
22:36I cannot tell you that because I've not heard him speak.
22:39Can you give us any details at all?
22:41I can tell you that we are
22:43absolutely delighted with developments at this stage.
22:48Absolutely delighted.
22:50Please, gentlemen, smile for the camera.
22:54Really delighted.
22:56Give us a smile, George.
22:59And George is delighted as well.
23:01Are you delighted, George?
23:04Give us a smile, George.
23:08Absolutely delighted.
23:13LAUGHTER
23:33The time is 6.20.
23:35The headlines again.
23:37Peter Sutcliffe, the man who became known as the Yorkshire Ripper,
23:41was today sentenced at the Old Bailey
23:43to life imprisonment for the murder of 13 women.
23:46A lorry driver from Bradford...
23:48Sutcliffe was a man so unremarkable
23:50that for five years he was able to elude
23:53the biggest manhunt in criminal history.
23:55During that time, he roamed freely across the north of England,
23:58attacking and murdering women indiscriminately.
24:01The judge, Mr Justice Borham,
24:03described Sutcliffe as an unusually dangerous...
24:11HE MUMBLES
24:29You've seen it all.
24:31That he admitted to it.
24:36Attacking you.
24:41So now the trial's finished, I was thinking we could get started.
24:44We can get that compensation.
25:04They've said it's going to be another couple of minutes
25:06before they come live to us here in the studio.
25:09A make-up woman's coming.
25:11Why would I need make-up for a programme like this?
25:20Let's just see this opening.
25:22Erm...
25:23Crime in the Century.
25:27Crime in the Central.
25:29Trial of the Century, Tony.
25:31I think I can say both, don't you?
25:33Yeah, sure. Shall we try that?
25:35You happy? Yeah, I think it might be a bit stronger.
25:39Yeah, trial and crime.
25:41Could you put that on the...
25:43Put that on the autocue and I'll see what that sounds like.
25:46Going live in five.
25:48Great, thank you.
25:50The crime and the trial of the Century is over.
25:53The Ultra Ripper's been given a life sentence
25:56and the five-year manhunt is finished.
25:58Yeah, I think that's...
25:59Yeah, I think that's better. We'll go for that.
26:01That's a strong go.
26:03Ah, that's a strong go.
26:05PHONE RINGS
26:08Don't be nervous now. OK.
26:10Just remember to say the things we spoke about.
26:13We've been through them 1,000 times.
26:32The crime and trial of the Century is over.
26:35The Ultra Ripper has been given a life sentence
26:37and a five-year manhunt is finished.
26:40The questions raised by that manhunt remain.
26:43How efficient was the hunt for the Ultra Ripper?
26:46Ronald Gregory is the Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police.
26:50Irene MacDonald is the mother of Jane MacDonald.
26:53Murdered by the Ripper in 1977
26:55and she very bravely has agreed to join us tonight in our Leeds studio.
26:59Ken Dwyer is a journalist who's been following the investigation
27:02from the very beginning
27:03and his book on the case is now being rushed into print.
27:06And another parent, Mrs Doreen Hill, is the mother of Jacqueline,
27:10the Ripper's last victim.
27:12She understandably cannot face the prospect of visiting Leeds
27:15after what has happened
27:16and so joins us from one of our London studios.
27:19Chief Constable, was any wild goose chase
27:22more wild than that which led the police
27:24to concentrate all its attention on the voice recording
27:27and the fact that you instructed your men
27:29to discount anyone who didn't have a Geordie accent?
27:32Thus allowing the Ripper, who didn't have a Geordie accent,
27:35to go free for that much longer.
27:39No, that's not true, you see, that's a misstatement immediately.
27:42We did not reject anyone who did not have a Geordie accent.
27:46The decision on the tape was taken after very careful consideration
27:50because the senior investigating officers were in a dilemma.
27:54Had they chosen not to reveal the tape,
27:56they may have faced much worse criticism.
27:59So when they did reveal it, they had to be positive.
28:03They?
28:04But at no time was that the only point of elimination.
28:07But you were eliminating people who didn't have a Wearside accent?
28:10No, not solely on that.
28:13Mrs Hill, do you now feel able to say,
28:16it's over, I have no more recriminations?
28:21There are aspects that I'm not happy about.
28:25The handbag was found on the Monday evening.
28:28But no one bothered to look for its owner.
28:32When the detectives went to Jacqueline's body,
28:34they knew nothing at all about that handbag.
28:37Could Mr Gregory clarify that?
28:40Mr Gregory?
28:45I can't remember exactly.
28:47I know the handbag had been found.
28:50But I cannot say with any accuracy
28:53whether the detectives knew about it at the time.
28:57Mrs Hill, would you welcome an inquiry
28:59into the way the police conducted the investigation?
29:01Yes, I would.
29:03If there's going to be an inquiry, can I see the report?
29:07Would Mrs Hill be entitled to see that report?
29:11If Mrs Hill is dissatisfied with any aspect of the investigation,
29:15if she'd like to come and see us at any time,
29:18we could explain to her exactly what happened.
29:21Can I ask a simple question? No doubt you'll tell me I'm wrong,
29:24but could you not have done that earlier?
29:26Sent for Mrs Hill and Mrs Macdonald here,
29:28and invited them in, and set their minds at rest.
29:34Well, I don't know what they want to be reassured about.
29:37This is the first I've heard of it.
29:39Really, Chief Constable,
29:41you see no error in the five-and-a-half years' investigation?
29:45There may have been errors.
29:47We are not infallible.
29:49But you were not informed of what the police did.
29:52I am informed about what you didn't do,
29:54and that's catch Peter Sutcliffe.
29:56I'm aware of that. That's pretty obvious.
29:58Though I'm glad that you welcome a public inquiry.
30:01No, I didn't say that. I would not resent an inquiry.
30:04But who did the inquiry and how it was conducted would be important.
30:09You see, the public and so many commentators
30:12have criticised the police when they have not been privy
30:15to all the police have done.
30:17Until they are, they should reserve judgement and criticism.
30:23We are grateful to everyone who has taken part in tonight's discussion,
30:26but we are particularly mindful of the courage it must have taken
30:29for both Mrs MacDonald and Mrs Hill to speak out in public tonight.
30:33Our thoughts must be with them
30:35and with all the other relatives of the Ripper's victims.
30:38From Leeds, good night.
30:43Everybody stay seated.
30:45Nice and still while the credits roll.
30:48OK, thanks, everyone.
30:50We're just waiting for the gallery to pick up.
31:05What about the accent?
31:07What about the fact that our daughter was told that men in Yorkshire were safe?
31:11And why did they call him the Ripper?
31:13He said it over and over again.
31:15The Ripper. He said it over and over on TV.
31:18The Ripper. Like, that's his name.
31:20That's just what they say. No, it's what people used to say
31:23when they didn't know who he was and they didn't know his name.
31:26But now they know his name, why don't they use it?
31:29Why do they have to say that wretched word?
31:38I'll get someone to take that thing off.
31:45MUSIC PLAYS
32:08As police constable Andrew Laptew sat in Sutcliffe's
32:11modestly furnished living room in Bradford,
32:14he realised that everything the police knew about the Ripper
32:17fitted the man he was questioning.
32:19He became convinced Sutcliffe was the Ripper.
32:22He submitted a report saying as much to the Ripper headquarters in Leeds.
32:25Everything just fitted, did it?
32:27It's not how it looks.
32:28Did everything just fall into place for Sherlock fucking Holmes?
32:32How much did he pay you? He didn't. No?
32:34So why go round there? I didn't.
32:36To cover his arse. He met Sutcliffe
32:38and then all he did was hand in some shitty bit of paper and that's it.
32:41Three more lasses get butchered and he's got to live with that then,
32:44the fact that he never followed up and that is why he called them.
32:47Not true, sir. Make it known that it wasn't his fault.
32:49A journalist knocked on my door.
32:51He'd heard I'd put a report in, said he'd got a tip.
32:53A tip off from who? No idea, but I said nothing.
32:56Was someone trying to protect you? Read the article.
32:59Because you went round there? You'll find no quotes from me in there.
33:01You sat there and had a cup of tea with him, his front fucking room.
33:04I weren't the only one. Sorry?
33:06He'd been interviewed nine times.
33:09Nine?
33:12Yeah, that's what they say in lasses in incident room.
33:14So what does it matter who spoke to what journalist
33:16when nine times we went round there and nine times we failed?
33:22Just like you failed when I handed you that report
33:24because you were blinded by that tape, by that stupid accent.
33:27Careful.
33:28It's not me that's got to live with it with them three dead girls, it's all of us.
33:31But it is you and Oldfield the most.
33:33But it is you and Oldfield the most.
33:37You watch your fucking mouth.
33:49I want to create a substantial new role for you.
33:53A role befitting an experienced chap like you, George.
33:56Chief of Operational Support.
33:59Running the engine room for the whole of West Yorkshire.
34:03To oversee the policing of all vehicles and road-based transport
34:07in our portion of the county.
34:08Traffic.
34:09To oversee the safekeeping of criminal records and documentation.
34:13The library.
34:14And a full oversight of frogmen, police dogs and police horses.
34:18Animals.
34:19Frogmen aren't animals, George.
34:21They just have an animal in their name.
34:23Well, I won't do it.
34:26I'm not going from head of CID to running the police farmyard.
34:31People will think I've been fired.
34:40There's shit coming down the line, George.
34:43And before I retire, I want to make sure that you are protected.
34:50Be attributed to your health.
34:54Needn't be a reflection of you and your team.
34:58What about Dick?
35:00I'll find something for Dick.
35:02Oh, well.
35:04You know, if there's shit coming down the line,
35:07then you put as many people in the way of it as you can.
35:12Don't hold back.
35:17Margaret wanted to know if those gifts had arrived.
35:20For Grace's birthday.
35:22Oh, I don't know, George.
35:25That's very kind of her, I shall ask.
35:27Yeah, she's good like that, my wife.
35:31Considerate.
35:52Mr Byford, Mr Neville.
35:54Morning.
35:55If you want to follow me, I can show you upstairs.
35:57Thank you.
36:01You are a bit earlier than we expected,
36:03but we're nearly ready.
36:06This is Mr Byford.
36:08He'll be doing the official inquiry.
36:10Hello.
36:11Hello, sir.
36:13Did you ladies work on the inquiry,
36:15or are you just packing things up?
36:20We did our share, sir.
36:22Mr Byford requested you draw all accounts from your system
36:25that might relate to Sutcliffe.
36:26Vehicles, photo fits, anything you might think relevant.
36:29Yes, sir. Follow me.
36:33Statements, sightings, any other paperwork we've boxed up
36:36and put in this office, cos, well, it's more private in here.
36:45These photo fits go back from 1972.
36:48These are from the women who survived.
36:50The women he attacked or followed or chased.
36:56The ones he left for dead.
36:58These are what they said they saw,
37:01but not all of the women were believed.
37:04And these two photos, sir, these are of Sutcliffe himself.
37:10This one from January,
37:13and this one from when he was arrested in 69.
37:20Arrested in 69?
37:22For when he quit.
37:24He was caught late at night carrying a hammer.
37:32That's when he started.
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38:27KNOCK AT DOOR
38:31Richard McCann.
38:33What's this about our Sonia? What's she done now?
38:35She only left the house about an hour ago.
38:37Are you the son of Wilma McCann?
38:39I'm Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Craig.
38:42I was a young detective on the Peter Sutcliffe case.
38:44Sorry, but what is this?
38:47Because I find these things...
38:49Can I come in?
38:55I've been visiting all the next of kin,
38:58those related to the victims, as we've had a development.
39:02A few years ago, we arrested a man for being drunken disorderly.
39:06As a result of his conviction,
39:08he had to provide us with a DNA sample for the National Database.
39:11Because I'm now Chief Super,
39:14and because this case really matters to me,
39:17I make sure to run DNA tests every few years, you see.
39:20The tests on what?
39:22On the man who wrote the letters.
39:25There were never any prints,
39:27but recently we found DNA where he licked the envelope.
39:30So, two weeks ago, we ran the tests,
39:33and we found a direct match
39:35with the man who we'd arrested for being drunken disorderly.
39:39That man...
39:41is the man on the tape.
39:44Man?
39:45The man who sent the tape.
39:50He's owned up to it.
39:53Said that it was him.
39:55That he regrets it, the damage that he's caused.
39:58Wait, no, no, no, no. I, er...
40:03I need to hear him.
40:05His voice. I need to. Is there any way that you...
40:07That's one of the reasons I'm here.
40:09Do you mind if I use your DVD player?
40:11No.
40:12It's just to show you.
40:13Like I'm showing all the other friends and family.
40:15But only if it'll help.
40:17You don't have to.
40:22His name is John Humble.
40:24He's from Sunderland.
40:26We had him read out the letters
40:28in case he later withdrew his confession.
40:30We've got transcripts here.
40:32Would you read that for us, please, John?
40:34Back in...
40:35That's if I can see it, cos my eyes are a bit dodgy.
40:38Take your time.
40:40Hi, Jack.
40:42I see you are still having no luck catching me.
40:46I have the greatest respect for you, George.
40:49But, Lord, you are no near catching me now
40:53than four years ago when I started.
40:58I reckon your boys are letting you down, George.
41:01They can't be much good, can they?
41:04The only time they came near...
41:07That's him.
41:10The voice?
41:15The man who killed Mum.
41:17No, no, he's just the man...
41:19No, no, no. Maybe not for you, but for me.
41:24You know, when they first caught Sutcliffe, no-one bothered.
41:29They were busy patting each other on the back,
41:31but no-one actually came to tell me and Sonia, so thank you.
41:35Thank you.
41:41Why?
41:44Did he do that? Why did he send the tape?
41:46You must have asked him.
41:48Yeah. And?
41:51Notoriety.
41:55And everything he said on the tape,
41:57every word and every detail that he put down in those letters,
42:00it was all there in the papers already.
42:02It was all there for him to read and write down
42:06and pass off as his own.
42:08And my predecessors, they never worked that out, and, you know...
42:14I only wish they had.
42:17HE SIGHS
42:30Hello, mate.
42:32People often ask me...
42:35..how do you even begin to get over something like that?
42:41And...
42:43..what's it like being a survivor?
42:47We're not survivors, we're surviving.
42:49It's...
42:51..what do you call it? A work in progress.
42:54We're managing.
42:56The good days...
42:58..and the bad days.
43:01And the best we can hope for is that very rare thing,
43:04the odd day when you're working.
43:06I'm a motivational speaker these days.
43:09Whatever it might be, when...
43:13..when it don't cross your mind.
43:17Or at least you think it don't, and...
43:20..till right before bedtime, when it pops into your head and you think,
43:24oh, God...
43:26..nearly made it through.
43:33Sorry.
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43:44Our mum were never a prostitute.
43:48Yes, she liked to drink and...
43:50..yes, she had boyfriends.
43:52She probably got up to all sorts...
43:54The point is, the police never bothered to check.
43:59Those men in charge, they were more fixed on finding out who he was.
44:03They never even bothered to find out who Mum was.
44:06And it was the same for the rest of them.
44:09The police, they showed up and they saw a crime scene
44:13and they saw a victim,
44:15but what very few of them ever actually saw...
44:18..were the women.
44:24And that's what's important now.
44:28We want to make those women visible.
44:31We want to see them in colour.
44:34We want to bring them out of that...
44:36..that same long shadow.
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