LIVE: Patriots Draft Grades | Patriots Nation Podcast - video Dailymotion

CLNS Media Sports Network

Pat and Matt give grades for each of the Patriots draft picks from this weekend.  Prize Picks! Get in on the excitement with PrizePicks, America’s No. 1 Fantasy Sports App, where you can turn your hoops knowledge into serious cash. Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100! Pick more. Pick less. It’s that Easy! Go to https://PrizePicks.com/CLNS  Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  #Patriots #NFL

Transcript

00:00:00You're listening to the Patreon Nation podcast.

00:00:31All right.

00:00:31Welcome back to another edition of the patron nation podcast.

00:00:35Of course, brought to you by prize picks, the official daily

00:00:37fantasy sports app of CLNS media.

00:00:40Download the app today, put in the promo code CLNS, and they will

00:00:43match your first deposit up to a hundred dollars.

00:00:46We also have another that's right.

00:00:48A second sponsor, which is game time.

00:00:51If you download that app and put in the promo code CLNS, you'll

00:00:54get $20 off your first purchase.

00:00:56If you're thinking about going to game five on Wednesday night,

00:00:59might not be a bad idea.

00:01:01Game time.

00:01:02Uh, and the promo code is CLNS for 20 bucks off your first purchase,

00:01:07Matt, here we are, sir.

00:01:09Um, and we're ready for some draft rates.

00:01:12We did, we did a billion shows over the week, uh, over the weekend.

00:01:16I feel like we were just on here nonstop.

00:01:18It was great.

00:01:18We had a great time.

00:01:19Thursday night, ton of people came through Thursday night,

00:01:22which was a ton of fun.

00:01:23And I think overall the Patriots kind of crushed it.

00:01:28Yeah.

00:01:28I'm pretty happy with that.

00:01:29I mean, I think there are some, some picks on, you know, day three or day two.

00:01:36You know, there's something I'm a little uncertain about, but this

00:01:39class is going to be judged by the quarterback and the way that they

00:01:43support him and I like the quarterback and I've liked a lot of the

00:01:47pieces they use to support him.

00:01:49So, um, you know, we can get into the details, but broad strokes

00:01:53are to be disappointed with this.

00:01:54Yeah.

00:01:54Yeah, exactly.

00:01:56Ultimately, I think it comes down to, uh, the pick at three.

00:01:58So let's get into the draft grades.

00:02:00I did write a draft gear article, uh, on Pat's pulpit.

00:02:02And it was funny.

00:02:03You were saying that, you know, you kind of did your own independent, uh,

00:02:07independent one, um, and they came up pretty similar.

00:02:10And so, you know, I think if we dive right into it, the first round

00:02:14is, is pick three at Drake may.

00:02:15And, and look, there were some.

00:02:18Reports of course, that teams have tried to move, to move up and, you know,

00:02:22things that try to get done and so on and so forth.

00:02:24And I think that the Patriots made the correct decision that they

00:02:28didn't move out of three, that they looked at it and said, you know,

00:02:33we're not going to have an opportunity to draft a guy like this again.

00:02:36And look, Drake may is a guy that I think you could make the argument

00:02:41that, you know, he has a long way to go and he is raw and he isn't.

00:02:46But at the same time, he makes the throws that NFL quarterbacks need to make.

00:02:54And not just, he plays the game in a way that the elite quarterbacks

00:03:00in the NFL play the game.

00:03:02Um, and he has the arm strength to make every single throw and to

00:03:06make every single throw look easy.

00:03:08And the Patriots haven't had a guy like that in a long time.

00:03:12And honestly, a guy like Drake may they've never had before.

00:03:18Right.

00:03:18Maybe, you know, they originally hit, they originally drafted

00:03:20Jim Plunkett and Rich Gannon.

00:03:22Um, but like even Tom Brady didn't have the movement, the

00:03:27rushing ability that Drake may had.

00:03:29Now he's the greatest quarterback of all time because he could do literally

00:03:33everything else on the football field.

00:03:35Okay.

00:03:35So Drake may isn't a thousand yards rushing for us.

00:03:39See, see, so Drake may is not going to come, you know, he's going

00:03:43to be miles away from Tom Brady.

00:03:45But with the, the physical traits that he has, the Patriots haven't had a guy

00:03:51like that in a long time.

00:03:52And when you see how far along he is right now, I think it was a situation

00:03:58that you had to make that pick.

00:04:01I gave it an A plus.

00:04:02I'm not sure what you gave it, but I gave it an A plus because you were

00:04:05confident in it, you took your swing and you said, this is the

00:04:08guy and let's go from here.

00:04:10Yeah.

00:04:11Not hard to give this anything, but an A plus to me, he was quarterback

00:04:14two in this class in the same tier as Caleb Williams, lower than

00:04:18him, but in the same tier.

00:04:20And they got him at QB three with the number three pick in the draft exceptional.

00:04:26I want to send a fruit basket to the Washington commander's front office

00:04:30for doing this two years in a row.

00:04:33Thank you.

00:04:33Yup.

00:04:34Uh, thank you for that one.

00:04:35Um, and yeah, you know, making do a lot of stuff on the field and

00:04:40seems like a great leader off of it.

00:04:41You know, you got the opening press conference, him bringing his brothers

00:04:45and his girlfriend he's been with since what they say, seventh grade.

00:04:48So it seems like a family man.

00:04:51Uh, and you know, you look at the group he has around him and how

00:04:55close they are to him, I think that tells you a lot about what he is as.

00:04:58A leader.

00:04:59And you need that from this position.

00:05:01You know, this is quarterback one of the new England Patriots.

00:05:04This isn't, this isn't any other quarterback job in this league.

00:05:08It comes with a lot of expectations.

00:05:09It comes with a lot of media scrutiny comes with huge, huge shoes to fill,

00:05:14you know, until this, until this franchise has any kind of semblance

00:05:18of a franchise quarterback, it's always going to be, you know, well, we're

00:05:22still waiting on the next Tom Brady.

00:05:23Like that's, that's going to be who you're compared to this whole time.

00:05:27Right.

00:05:27It seems like somebody who can handle that.

00:05:29And I obviously love all the stuff on the field.

00:05:31Um, he has areas of his game where he needs to work, but he can do everything.

00:05:37Uh, Ben select in the ringer, his, uh, his article that he wrote after the

00:05:41draft actually brought a whole piece in there too, about he thinks Drake may,

00:05:46may actually end up having the best season of any of the rookies this year.

00:05:50And we did that because he sees the tools and he sees the, um, the way that, you

00:05:56know, there's an investment around him.

00:05:58And in some ways what he likened it to was 2021 Trevor Lawrence, where.

00:06:04You could tell that the situation around him needed a lot of work, but you could

00:06:08also tell that this guy had things that made him, uh, at least capable

00:06:12of being a special quarterback.

00:06:14And, um, you know, if that's the kind of season you get out of Drake may, I think

00:06:18you're going to be very, very happy.

00:06:20So, um, yeah, again, thank you to Washington for this and we'll, uh, I

00:06:25can't wait to see may actually get out there on the field a plus plus, plus, plus.

00:06:28Well, and that's the way I feel about it.

00:06:30Right.

00:06:30And then look, it's it, and you know, and look, Brandon's out here, right.

00:06:36And it says, you know, that after hearing from some of the reports, seems like may

00:06:39was third, if not, you know, QB for, for, for some other teams, maybe that's true.

00:06:44Maybe that's true.

00:06:46I don't see it.

00:06:46I don't understand how any sane person could have JJ McCarthy over Drake.

00:06:53May I just, I don't, I just don't see it.

00:06:57I don't see how somebody could have, um, could have Michael panics over Drake.

00:07:04May it just doesn't make any sense to me.

00:07:05And even Jayden Daniels, I get, I get the rushing ability, right.

00:07:12But it's not, you know, I'm sorry, but he's, he just, it's not, it's, he's

00:07:20not better than Drake, man.

00:07:21Sorry.

00:07:22Like, it's just not, and maybe, maybe we'll be proven wrong.

00:07:25And that's, and that's one of those things that, you know, it's, I understand

00:07:29it's all, and we're going to talk to, we'll talk to, um, Thor and Nystrom.

00:07:33I come back, I think for the fourth year in a row, uh, this year is going

00:07:38to come and talk to us on Thursday.

00:07:40Um, but you know, and that's, and Carlos is a hundred percent, right?

00:07:45He was the one, he was the first or second pick before his final

00:07:48season in England, going into this past year.

00:07:52And so, and again, you know, then the question becomes who is he?

00:07:56Is he the guy we saw last year or is he the guy that we saw in

00:08:002022 and who is he closer to?

00:08:02And I think we saw enough good things last year that I feel like I feel okay.

00:08:07About it.

00:08:08He's got some things to fix.

00:08:09He's got some things to work out, but I do think that, you know, we

00:08:13can, we can harness some of that.

00:08:17Um, also I'm going to give a shout out to Ramsey for, uh, for the meme in the

00:08:21chat, uh, in the chat meme, this is fantastic.

00:08:25So well done.

00:08:26Well done, Ramsey.

00:08:27Appreciate you.

00:08:28Um, I both, I both fit in new England too, for May, uh, with Alex Van Pelton,

00:08:35the quarterback guys, they got here.

00:08:37His biggest issue is consistency with footwork.

00:08:40They got guys whose main thing is footwork.

00:08:42Uh, is it going to fix it?

00:08:45No idea, but that's about as good a chance as I think they're going to have.

00:08:48And it sounds like, you know, nobody in the building is

00:08:51committing one way or the other.

00:08:52And if he's going to start this year, which I think is fair, I think it was

00:08:55who said earlier that they're going to get them in the building and they're

00:08:57going to see how he learns and how he responds to stuff, which is what I was

00:09:01saying on draft night when they picked them, uh, see what you got in, in May.

00:09:05Take it day by day.

00:09:07There's no reason to make decisions right now on, you know, exactly how

00:09:12many games he's going to play this year.

00:09:14You don't need to put a pitch count on him.

00:09:16This isn't like major league baseball, where you got to worry about like

00:09:18service time and making sure he plays under a certain amount.

00:09:21No, he's on a four year contract, one year, possibly added onto that.

00:09:25If, if he's not ready, you need to sit him for a year.

00:09:28That's completely fine.

00:09:29If he's ready to go now, there's no reason not to play him as long as he's,

00:09:34you know, got enough of a good situation around him that he's not going to get

00:09:38killed when he goes out there.

00:09:39Right.

00:09:40Right.

00:09:40True.

00:09:40And I will also say if he's, if the situation's that bad, Jacoby

00:09:44preset may get hurt and we may have to see Drake may out there regardless.

00:09:48You know, that's how Justin Herbert got out there because a chargers team

00:09:52doctor stabbed their quarterback by accident 90 minutes before kickoff.

00:09:56It's a Herbert.

00:09:57Here's your first start.

00:09:58Have fun.

00:09:58Right, right.

00:10:00And the other, the other part of it for me is that, you know, I

00:10:04understand he was taken third overall.

00:10:06I do.

00:10:07I get that.

00:10:08I, I a hundred percent understand, but again, for me, I would

00:10:14just go back to the chiefs.

00:10:15I'll just go back to the chiefs.

00:10:17Just, let's just go back to the chiefs, 2017.

00:10:21They trade a first round pick.

00:10:22They move all the way up from 20 something to 10 to take Patrick Mahomes.

00:10:28And it sucks for Sean Payton too.

00:10:30Cause he had the name written down.

00:10:32He had the Patrick Holmes name written down.

00:10:33He was going to, he was putting it in, he was putting it in.

00:10:36And you know, the chiefs traded in front of what he had to do.

00:10:39Um, but you know, they trade up, they give a future first round pick.

00:10:46They have a pro bowl quarterback on their roster.

00:10:50So Mahomes sits for the year.

00:10:53Wait a second.

00:10:53You just traded a future first round pick and took a guy in the top 10 that you

00:10:59didn't plan on playing for a whole year.

00:11:02That guy must've sucked.

00:11:04He must've.

00:11:05Oh, wait a minute.

00:11:05No, he didn't suck.

00:11:06Holy crap.

00:11:06No, he took them to the eighth championship game the first year he started.

00:11:09And then you won MVP and then won the Superbowl and so on and so on.

00:11:14It's all right.

00:11:15So my, my point is this.

00:11:17Drake may doesn't suck if right.

00:11:22If he doesn't play this year, it's because he needs some refinement before they can

00:11:28put them out there in a regular game, right?

00:11:31He needs to be able to see the field a little bit better.

00:11:33He needs to be able to not make some of the throws.

00:11:35Now, Patrick Mahomes still makes some of those ridiculously crazy throws because

00:11:39he sees the field really well and he understands what's going on.

00:11:43I think they let Drake may do some of those crazy things, but

00:11:47you got to reign it in just a little bit.

00:11:49And that's what this year does.

00:11:51Number one, it allows the peace around them to get better.

00:11:55And number two, it allows him to understand what's going on.

00:11:58And I think that there's nothing wrong with that, you know?

00:12:01And I think I get it.

00:12:02I understand that people want to see him on the field got drafted

00:12:05number three over, I get that.

00:12:07But just allow him to, to have the year to grow.

00:12:12And look, if he's ready before that, then he's ready before that.

00:12:15But, you know, and it's not like it's a different situation in the chiefs

00:12:19room, because the chiefs, of course, we're in a different situation because

00:12:22they were making the playoffs and they still had a good team and so on and so

00:12:25forth, it was a little bit, Alex Smith was like a, you know, 14th, 12th best

00:12:31quarterback in the league when he was there, he did a good job.

00:12:33Um, so yeah, I think it's, I think we should go in with a, a wide variety

00:12:38of expectations for the way that this can go, or really go in with no

00:12:41expectations for what this is going to be year one, you know, it can be,

00:12:44there's really nothing off the table in terms of what may does or does

00:12:47not do in terms of being on the field and his actual abilities.

00:12:50And you're, you're kind of drafting him with an eye on year two being

00:12:54when he puts it all together, especially year three, your threes, usually

00:12:58when these guys really start to figure it out, um, but I, you know, year

00:13:03one is always going to be a learning year, whether that's on the

00:13:06field or in the practice room.

00:13:08Right.

00:13:09Right.

00:13:10So, all right, so let's move on to the second round, second

00:13:12round, the Patriots have picked 34.

00:13:13They move back three spots and to do that, they move up 27 spots.

00:13:18And that's going to be important later.

00:13:20Uh, but they go from one 37 in the fifth round to one 10 in the fourth round with

00:13:25a trade with the, with the Los Angeles chargers charges, take loud and conky.

00:13:30Uh, wide receiver out of Georgia, the Patriots at 37, take Jaylen

00:13:33Polk, a wide receiver out of Washington.

00:13:35Now I gave this an, a probably should have given it to people.

00:13:38I remember the habits of B-plus and I changed it to an a, um, I like it.

00:13:44I do.

00:13:44I like Jaylen Polk.

00:13:45I like the idea of Jaylen Polk.

00:13:47I feel like he is, he's a very good route runner.

00:13:50He is one of my favorite lines, or I guess phrases about him and the other

00:13:57guy that drafted in the fourth round.

00:13:59We'll get to, um, is that they're accuracy racers.

00:14:04Like I love that line because you're helping your young quarterback out.

00:14:09This is what you're doing.

00:14:10Your young quarterback who has some issues with accuracy in the past, get him

00:14:15some guys that can help his accuracy.

00:14:18Right.

00:14:19And Jaylen Polk was that kind of guy.

00:14:21He doesn't have four, three speed, right?

00:14:23But he's still a vertical threat.

00:14:26He does really good work over the middle of the field, kind of that

00:14:29deep intermediate to deep middle Scott, um, Scott, Jesus, um, uh, Phil Perry

00:14:35had a great article today, um, on, you know, some of the statistics and how

00:14:41good Drake may, is it throwing over that deep middle of the field and how Jaylen

00:14:46Polk really thrives in that deep middle of the field.

00:14:49And so that's one of those things that I think you're looking at those things

00:14:55saying, okay, our quarterback's good at this, let's get a wide receiver.

00:14:58That's also good at this.

00:14:59That can help them out with that.

00:15:00And so I think it was very intentional by them.

00:15:03And I, I do like the idea of doing it now as spec does says, I don't know if

00:15:08he is the answer to their X problem.

00:15:11Um, but I think he can do a bunch of different things.

00:15:15He may not stick at the X, but I think he can play the X at times, even

00:15:19if he doesn't play it every, every day.

00:15:21Yeah.

00:15:22I love this pick.

00:15:22I am giving it a B plus just because I think it's a little bit, tiny bit of a

00:15:26reach, but it's one I'm okay with.

00:15:28I agree with everything you said about it being a perfect fit for what Drake may

00:15:31likes.

00:15:31Um, I think he can be an X.

00:15:33He has to develop his route running more.

00:15:36He has to flesh out his game, but I think he can do that.

00:15:39I think he has the tools to do that.

00:15:41Polk has great hands.

00:15:42He can run a variety of routes.

00:15:43You can line them up at a bunch of spots.

00:15:45Um, I'm like, I, I like, in some ways, I like what Polk can bring to this

00:15:51offense more than I would have loved, you know, Calvin Ridley, obviously Ridley

00:15:54is the better player right now.

00:15:56And there's a ton of uncertainty because Polk has never played it down in the NFL.

00:16:00Ridley, I didn't really like outside the numbers.

00:16:02I didn't like him as an X.

00:16:04Polk can do that, even if he isn't your primary guy there.

00:16:07And I think he helps you out a ton.

00:16:09Um, and even just going, I was going back through some Browns tape to see

00:16:13how the Browns use Amari Cooper.

00:16:16And I think a ton of the stuff that they did with him, you can just copy and paste

00:16:21Jalen Polk and run those same routes.

00:16:22I don't know if he's going to do it as well as, you know, Amari Cooper does

00:16:25at this point in his career, but that's the package you're going to start with.

00:16:28You know, they use him outside the numbers.

00:16:29They use him on speed out.

00:16:31They use them on the vertical routes.

00:16:32They use him in the slot.

00:16:33They use him on, you know, deep overs and things like that.

00:16:36And a variety of different ways to get the ball to him in space.

00:16:38Uh, I think we'll see a lot of similar things for Jalen Polk as he

00:16:42gets on board here in New England.

00:16:44Yeah.

00:16:45And what's interesting is that there, they 100% tried to trade up.

00:16:51We're not able to, I think they wanted Xavier Leguette, uh, didn't get him.

00:16:56I think that they released reports that they were interested in Keon Coleman so

00:17:03that the bills would draft Keon Coleman at 33 and they may have, but from the

00:17:10sound of it with, you know, what Elliot Wolf said afterwards was, you know,

00:17:19Polk was our guy, that's the guy that we wanted.

00:17:22Um, you know, and again, whom he may be just blowing smoke.

00:17:25I don't know.

00:17:26Um, but you know, if that were the case, I think that's a, that's an

00:17:30interesting, you know, scenario for them.

00:17:33The bills intentionally blocked the Patriots from moving up to pick 32 and

00:17:38instead traded back to 33 instead of 32.

00:17:41Um, instead of 34, I'm sorry.

00:17:43And blocked the Patriots from moving up to 32.

00:17:45So then if the Patriots kind of turned around and then made them take a guy

00:17:48that the Patriots really didn't want, um, that would've been great.

00:17:52I don't know, but that's, but that would've been, that would've been great.

00:17:55Also the numbers, just so, just to kind of belabor this point a little bit, I

00:18:00mentioned the numbers that, um, that Phil Perry mentioned and Drake may over the

00:18:05last two years, since 2022 has 66 big time throws.

00:18:14Okay.

00:18:14So big time throws, I believe are, you know, 20 yards downfield.

00:18:17Um, I believe it's 20, 20 or more yards, more yards downfield, 66 big time throws.

00:18:24Caleb Williams had 44 Jaden Dames at 38 out of those 66 big time throws, only

00:18:29six of them were turnover worthy plays.

00:18:33So, um, so I think that's, that's pretty solid.

00:18:36So anyway, so, um, all right, let's move on.

00:18:40We can move on here.

00:18:41I like the Jalen Polk thing again, a B plus somewhere around there.

00:18:45I like that.

00:18:46Um, but you know, we'll see now the not so good, the third round, the

00:18:52Caden Wallace pick, I didn't get, I gave it a C minus.

00:18:56I can see people giving it less than that.

00:18:58I think they believe he can play left tackle.

00:19:03If he actually can play left tackle, then this, then this

00:19:07grade goes higher, right?

00:19:09I still think it was a bit of a reach.

00:19:11It maybe wasn't as big of a reach as we may have first thought, because I'm

00:19:15looking at it saying Caden Wallace, you serious, but, um, even still, it's

00:19:21not really ideally the guy you wanted in that spot.

00:19:25Yeah.

00:19:25I'm with you.

00:19:25I had a C minus here for Caden Wallace.

00:19:28Uh, I think he'll be a useful player.

00:19:30I think there's a lot to like about him.

00:19:32I remain skeptical that he's going to actually be a good left tackle in the NFL.

00:19:36He might be serviceable.

00:19:37He might be a spot starter there.

00:19:39I don't know if he's a guy you want starting there as a franchise left tackle.

00:19:43I think we're probably going to see him in at guard.

00:19:46Um, I look at, you know, this guy Leighton Robinson, who they took later

00:19:50and Nick Leverett, who they, they signed from Tampa, the three of them

00:19:55may be competing in Jake Andrews is in this mix too, for those backup guard

00:20:00spots or with, you know, city.

00:20:02So in close range for the starting guard spots, and they may throw them

00:20:05all out there and say, we're going to see what you all can do.

00:20:07And I wouldn't be surprised if Caden Wallace ends up being a super

00:20:11sub, a backup at four spots on the offensive line this year.

00:20:14So, like I said, I think he's useful.

00:20:16I think this is earlier than I would have liked, although I

00:20:19understand why they did it.

00:20:21And I, again, I'm going to remain skeptical of his ability to

00:20:24play left tackle until we see it.

00:20:26That's great.

00:20:26Like it'll go higher.

00:20:27If he ends up being a good left tackle, this goes way higher.

00:20:30And I'm going to give them a ton of credit for spotting something that

00:20:33other teams didn't see with him.

00:20:36Um, but until we actually see that play out, this is going to be a C minus for me.

00:20:40And that's, and that's really what, that's really the big thing.

00:20:43Now, I think he took a big step forward last year.

00:20:46So they thought, okay, there's a little bit of, there's, um, a chance that he

00:20:50can, he's still growing and still learning.

00:20:53But again, I just, you know, and TD even said it in the chat, like he

00:20:57played four years at right tackle.

00:20:58And now all of a sudden he's a left tackle.

00:21:00Like I just, I just didn't love that.

00:21:02And so

00:21:02and reportedly he worked out for them at left tackle.

00:21:04He did work at the shrine bolt left tackle.

00:21:06It sounds like the only reason he didn't at Penn State is because they just

00:21:09had other guys over there, like old fashioned new, like that's

00:21:12pretty good reason it's kind of similar to the Blake Fisher thing.

00:21:16This guy's just not as young.

00:21:17So I think there's less, less runway for growth.

00:21:20And at the same time, I think there's some questions with his agility that

00:21:25make you question how he can do against speed rushers on an Island.

00:21:29Yeah, exactly.

00:21:30All right.

00:21:30That's the first two days.

00:21:31We're going to take a quick ad break.

00:21:33Um, and then we'll come back with day three.

00:21:36Uh, and then continue with, uh, some, some breaking Patriots news that came

00:21:41out today, which we'll talk about.

00:21:43And then we'll also kind of go around the league just quickly and talk about

00:21:46some of the fits we'd liked and didn't like right back prize pick says something

00:21:51for every sports fan from basketball, baseball, and hockey to league of

00:21:55legends and everything in between.

00:21:56You can pick LeBron Aaron judge, Conor McDavid and Jude Bellingham all in the

00:22:01same entry price picks even offers injury insurance so that your entries

00:22:05stay in play, even if one of your players gets injured for basketball games.

00:22:09If you have a player who exits the game in the first half and does not return

00:22:12in the second price picks, we'll have your back and not count that as a loss.

00:22:17Now this week, I'm actually going with Aaron judge, Raphael Devers and Bobby

00:22:22Whit jr.

00:22:22To have over 1.5 total bases.

00:22:25And I'm going with Kevin Durant for more than 28 points and the coyotes

00:22:30with more than 10 rebounds down with the app today and use the code CLNS for

00:22:35a first deposit match up to $100.

00:22:39Again, if you download the app today and put in the code CLNS, they will

00:22:43match your first deposit up to $100 price picks, pick more, pick less.

00:22:50It's that easy.

00:22:57Record a new ad read there.

00:22:58Flipping Kevin Durant, man swept.

00:23:01Uh, anyways.

00:23:03All right.

00:23:03So day three, let's get into day three.

00:23:05We'll go through Leighton Robbins is the first one to pick one Oh three.

00:23:08We already talked about this a little bit.

00:23:10I didn't hate it.

00:23:11I liked other guards.

00:23:12Everyone knows I'm in love with Tanner Bordellini.

00:23:15He's the guy really wanted.

00:23:16If you were drafting a guard, he goes to Indy later on.

00:23:19Mason McCormick was the second guy I fell in love with the South Dakota state.

00:23:23He goes later as well.

00:23:25So, you know, I I'm upset that they didn't take either of those guys,

00:23:28but he's got long arms.

00:23:31He's got like 35 inch arms.

00:23:33He's a big dude.

00:23:34He has a ton of experience playing at Texas A&M.

00:23:36And so I think he can come in if they're not a hundred percent sure about their

00:23:44guard spots, he can come in and compete at that guard, um, at that guard position.

00:23:51And so I gave it a C plus, I don't love it, but I also get it.

00:23:56I give it to C plus as well.

00:23:57I think this is your Antonio Moffitt replacement.

00:24:00Um, very similar stylistically.

00:24:03This is one area where I'm curious because Caden Wallace is a guy who I think is a

00:24:07really good zone fit zone running fit.

00:24:10That's what they did a lot of at Penn state.

00:24:11I think he can do zone or gap power.

00:24:14Um, but Leighton Robinson is a guy who might be less of a zone guy and more just,

00:24:20I'm going to move you out of the way type of dude.

00:24:23Uh, he's, he's built.

00:24:24He's a big dude.

00:24:26Um, very powerful.

00:24:28So I'm curious where he fits in, in this offensive line.

00:24:33And I think he's a right guard only.

00:24:35I wonder if he, I don't know if he has left guard versatility.

00:24:37You know, I was looking at some of the players and where they fit on the depth

00:24:40chart and this guy's mostly a right guard.

00:24:41Nick Lever, who designed is mostly a left guard.

00:24:44Jake Andrews is mostly a center.

00:24:46So it seems like they almost have a one for one backup.

00:24:48I use one of those spots.

00:24:50Um, I wouldn't be surprised to see Leighton Robinson take city.

00:24:53So is the job.

00:24:55I also wouldn't be shocked if we see city.

00:24:57So in Leighton Robinson, both get reps at right guard this year.

00:25:00After the year, we're saying, Hey, I think we need to use another pick there.

00:25:04Cause we don't love either of these guys.

00:25:06I don't think they're bad players.

00:25:07I think they're useful players.

00:25:08I think they can be part of a good offensive line.

00:25:10They also might be players.

00:25:11You still want to upgrade later on.

00:25:14Uh, but I don't think this is a bad pick a little bit of a reach.

00:25:16Uh, so C plus here is, you know, slightly above average, not in love with it, but

00:25:22not upset with it by any means.

00:25:24Just curious.

00:25:25Right.

00:25:25And that's, you know, that's kind of where I'm at.

00:25:28I just think it'll be fine.

00:25:30And again, if they're not happy with their, if this kid winds up starting a few

00:25:35games at guard, or, you know, Carlos mentioned that he thinks Cole strange

00:25:39might be on the way out.

00:25:40Um, you know, if, if something like that happens and this guy ends up

00:25:45sliding in and playing well now, of course, again, the drain, obviously

00:25:48depending on how well he plays, the grade can go up based on that.

00:25:51So, so we'll see.

00:25:54Um, all right.

00:25:54Steal the draft right here.

00:25:55Pick four, uh, pick one 10.

00:25:57This is the trade the Patriots got for moving back.

00:26:00Of course they moved up.

00:26:02That's not like they got it for free, but they moved up and got pick one 10, uh,

00:26:06for moving back to base to pick 37 and they draft Jay Vaughn Baker from UCF.

00:26:12This kid is an electric factory, just the absolute best.

00:26:16Um, I love this guy.

00:26:18I love him already.

00:26:19And he hasn't even played a snap for the Patriots, but just his, his

00:26:23swagger and his, his bravado, the way he comes in, the way he approaches things.

00:26:28He's a professional on the field too.

00:26:30Like he works his ass off and he really loves what he does.

00:26:33He loves like the craft behind it too.

00:26:36What'd you think is really great.

00:26:37And, um, you know, when old man, mom says he reminds him OBJ and look,

00:26:42I mean, maybe that that's a little, that's a little generous, but maybe,

00:26:46I mean, again, it's, he is explosive.

00:26:49You talk about a guy that averaged 22 yards, a catch last year had five

00:26:53receptions of over 50 yards, uh, which is insane, insane.

00:26:58And so you get a guy like that, a pick one 10, because why you ran a four, five,

00:27:03four, like, what are we talking about?

00:27:04You know?

00:27:05And so, um, the speed at which he plays on the field is more important.

00:27:09He's an accomplished road runner, a really good route runner who sets defenders up.

00:27:14I absolutely love this pick.

00:27:16And, you know, I think he, again, the same thing with Jalen Polk, he compliments

00:27:22what Drake may does really well because he's another accuracy eraser.

00:27:27He's another guy that will go up and get passes when you, if they're not perfect.

00:27:33And so I love the pick.

00:27:35I think it's a great pick.

00:27:36And again, it's a one 10, like this kid, we could have justified at 68

00:27:43and he's going at one 10 instead.

00:27:44Matter of fact, I had him 68 in one of my mock drafts.

00:27:46And so he goes, he goes one 10 and I love it.

00:27:50Yeah.

00:27:50I like this.

00:27:51It gets an A from me.

00:27:52Um, it's, you know, good value where it is.

00:27:56Scheme fit with what Drake may likes to do.

00:27:59You get another guy who can play X.

00:28:01I think you came away with, from this draft with two players who can play X,

00:28:05which means if one of them works out in really good shape, and I think I like

00:28:09that, uh, Javon Baker reminds me of, I think I said this in a live show or in

00:28:13our instant reaction that he reminds me of Kendrick Bourne in some ways, and that

00:28:17he's a playmaker, flashy personality can be a little bit inconsistent, you know,

00:28:21it makes highlight real grabs, but we'll also have some drops in there.

00:28:24It can be a little bit sloppy at points, but the highlights are just worth

00:28:27investing in because if this guy, if he develops all the way and becomes an

00:28:32elite level route runner, which I think he has the capability of doing, you know,

00:28:36his game reminds me of a little bit.

00:28:38It's a little Stefan digs in there.

00:28:40And especially with the attitude and the playmaking and all that.

00:28:43And we saw how that worked out for Josh Allen and it's the fun

00:28:46digs was the fifth round pick.

00:28:48So saying that at this point, the draft is not crazy at all.

00:28:51I mean, Puka Nukuo is a later pick, but you get guys like that in this round.

00:28:56Um, I had, you know, I, I wrote an article that went up in Pat's public

00:28:59today talking about, you know, inside the numbers of this draft, this is the

00:29:03first time the Patriots have taken two receivers in the top 110 picks since

00:29:082013, which was the Aaron Dobson and Josh Boyce class.

00:29:14And I think, you know, Aaron Dobson, I think is a very defendable

00:29:17defensible package didn't work out.

00:29:19Josh Boyce.

00:29:20So I think in hindsight, you know, that really didn't work.

00:29:23And I like Jayvon as St.

00:29:25We're on the same spot in the draft.

00:29:27I like Jayvon Baker's odds of becoming even, you know, wide receiver three

00:29:31better than I like what Josh Boyce was able to do.

00:29:34Um, I don't, I don't really see, like, he's got the attitude.

00:29:38He's got the playmaking.

00:29:40I think in some ways the worst case for him is a wide receiver three or four

00:29:44who floats around that part of your roster and can make impact plays,

00:29:47but will disappear at points.

00:29:49And if you're getting a guy like that in that pick one 10, you have to be

00:29:53excited about that because this guy will make a couple of highlight real

00:29:55plays for you that can win games.

00:29:57A hundred percent.

00:29:58And I think, I think the big thing for me is that, you know, it, what's

00:30:02funny about the Josh Boyce example is that he's the perfect example of a guy

00:30:08who is, you know, he was like jacked up super strong, really fast, elusive

00:30:18with the ball in his hands, didn't understand how to play receiver

00:30:23and could never figure it out.

00:30:25And Polk and Baker are the opposite of that, right?

00:30:27They may not be these super athlete guys.

00:30:30They don't, you know, one, four, three.

00:30:32They're not what, but they understand how to play the position.

00:30:37They know what they're doing when they get out there.

00:30:40They're smooth.

00:30:41They're slick route runners.

00:30:42They fight for the ball.

00:30:43They go get, they kind of do all those things that good receivers do,

00:30:48even if they're not super explosive.

00:30:51And again, I just time.

00:30:54And again, it's been proven that guys like that are just simply more

00:30:59effective than guys like Josh Boyce.

00:31:02Just, it's been proven over and over and over and over again.

00:31:05And so I'll take my shot with two guys like that.

00:31:07And again, even if only one of them hits, like you got one and that's what matters.

00:31:13And so, so we'll see.

00:31:15All right.

00:31:16Yeah.

00:31:17I'll go ahead.

00:31:17Yep.

00:31:18You know who else he reminds me of?

00:31:20Um, and this is going to be without the off field issues to

00:31:23be, to make that crystal clear.

00:31:26Jack Jones seems like the offensive equivalent to Jack Jones.

00:31:30Yep.

00:31:30Um, playmaker, what was he saying?

00:31:34Likes to talk.

00:31:35You're right.

00:31:36Right.

00:31:36Disrespectful to throw an out route on me.

00:31:38Like things like that.

00:31:39Yeah.

00:31:40Yeah.

00:31:40A guy who has that kind of attitude.

00:31:41And let me tell you, you didn't have issues with Jack Jones.

00:31:44The player didn't do it.

00:31:45And he's the guy who made an impact from day one.

00:31:47So, um, Jayvon Baker can give you that kind of thing.

00:31:51The only reason he's available here is because he played at UCF and it was at

00:31:54Bama and couldn't crack their rotation with the ridiculous amounts of talent

00:31:58they had there, then transferred, had to play at UCF to get, you know, the

00:32:02playing time and, uh, you know, yeah, it was a little bit older plays at a

00:32:06lower level, but he's right.

00:32:08Yeah.

00:32:08Yep.

00:32:08So, all right.

00:32:09Onto the sixth round, I pick one 80.

00:32:10They take Marcellus dialy dial.

00:32:13I'm sorry.

00:32:13D back from South Carolina.

00:32:16And again, I like it.

00:32:17I don't love it, but I like it.

00:32:20Um, he's a kind of a toolsy guy.

00:32:24He's not, you know, he's not the best, but, but, but, you know, he's

00:32:28one of those guys for me that he, maybe he's going to end up playing corner for

00:32:33them, I think probably they're going to try to work them out at safety, um, and

00:32:38see if he can play that deep safety role.

00:32:40He's got, he's got pretty good speed.

00:32:42He has decent closing speed as well.

00:32:45And good instincts, little stiff tipped is what I've heard.

00:32:48And that's what it sounded like.

00:32:50And so our guy coach Williams put up, um, you know, some film on him.

00:32:53So I'm curious to see what that looks like, but you know, look, it's a shot in

00:32:57the dark, it's in the sixth round, I gave it a C plus, I didn't hate it, but like,

00:33:02you know, it's like, I have no idea what to expect and, you know, yeah, if he

00:33:06ends up, listen, if the kid ends up playing safety and gets in that safety

00:33:09rotation, if anybody's not, anyone plays a few snaps a game or whatever the case

00:33:13may be, it's worth it.

00:33:15Yeah.

00:33:15I, I'm giving this a C just because I think it's a reach.

00:33:18Um, I think they probably could have gotten him or someone of similar

00:33:22quality, either later in the draft or as an unwrapped and free agent.

00:33:26Um, but I don't hate it.

00:33:27You know, I I'm curious why him, because there were other players who

00:33:31have different traits available.

00:33:32And I think a corner is in a position where by and large, you knew what

00:33:37Bill Belichick liked, you know, it's going to be, what do you think is going

00:33:40to be your big long arm downside corner, or it's going to be guys who have

00:33:44amazing three cones and he's going to draft like three of them in the same

00:33:48draft and one of them is going to be good.

00:33:49Like that's, that's the approach for it.

00:33:52And this is not a, he didn't think you ran the three cone, but if he

00:33:56did, it wouldn't be very good.

00:33:58He did.

00:33:58And it wasn't good.

00:33:59Yeah.

00:33:59Okay.

00:34:00Yeah.

00:34:00Um, so he's just, this is a different, different breed of

00:34:04guy and it is late day three.

00:34:06So that's fine.

00:34:07But, uh, you know, I'm not convinced he's better than like Isaiah Bolton

00:34:10as a prospect who they took last year.

00:34:13I think he's going to come in and fight for a job.

00:34:15I think this is the point in the draft where you start to say, all right,

00:34:18these guys are not guaranteed roster spots and they might get beat out

00:34:22by an undrafted free agent or a veteran or whatever.

00:34:25Yeah.

00:34:26And let's, let's just see a guy that we like the traits and go from there.

00:34:28So, all right, on to pick one 93.

00:34:32Oh baby, Joe Milton.

00:34:36It was so much, I mean, it's so much fun.

00:34:39It's such a fun draft pick.

00:34:41It makes absolutely no sense why you would take Joe Milton.

00:34:45It just like I gave it a C minus.

00:34:47I just was like, what are we doing?

00:34:49But I mean, let's have some fun, let's have some damn fun and draft the guy

00:34:55that can throw an orange, a hundred yards after practice that can just, just throws

00:35:00it, I mean, throws it a mile and I love it, you know, and so again, it's a C

00:35:06minus because he's not a real football player, like he's not a quarterback.

00:35:11Like, let's be honest.

00:35:13He's not a quarterback, right?

00:35:14Like, but he's going to be fun at training camp.

00:35:18He has a good personality from, from everything I've heard.

00:35:22He's a leader in the locker room.

00:35:23Like it's a guy that people like a lot.

00:35:26And so I like that.

00:35:29Like he can be your second string quarterback eventually.

00:35:33Right.

00:35:33He's not going to play.

00:35:34You don't want him to play, but he's a guy that, you know, has some fun, does

00:35:41a whole lot of different things.

00:35:42And, you know, so I liked that a lot.

00:35:46Again, do you need them?

00:35:47No, it was a luxury pick.

00:35:48And I think that they had some holes to fill.

00:35:51Um, and so, you know, to me that that's not what I'm looking for, but at the

00:35:56end of the day, you know, I didn't hate it.

00:35:59I thought you could have drafted a few of the guys in that spot

00:36:01that they didn't go after.

00:36:03But again, it's just so much fun.

00:36:06And I love the fact that Joe Milton on the team.

00:36:09He's a fun guy.

00:36:10We're going to get some great social clips, you know, in July and August.

00:36:14Um, if I'm honest, I'm not entirely convinced he's, you know, better than

00:36:19Bailey Zappi, um, just, you know, he was at his career high, something like

00:36:242,500 passing yards or something like that.

00:36:26And six years in college, he's got all the physical traits.

00:36:30Um, but that's also fine.

00:36:32Like Bailey Zappi is probably not going to be on this team.

00:36:34It's, it's going to be May and Brissette and that Milton fighting for that last

00:36:39roster spot, if they want to keep three quarterbacks and maybe, you know, work.

00:36:43Or one of Rorker Zappi is going to be gone before training camp.

00:36:47If I had to guess, it's probably Zappi just to clear out the locker room.

00:36:50It's just not enough, right?

00:36:52There's just not enough snaps to go around.

00:36:53There's not enough snaps to go around, you know?

00:36:55No.

00:36:56Um, and it's, you know, Milton's interesting.

00:36:58He has traits.

00:36:58He's the thing I said in my reaction, he's the broken, but could be fun to

00:37:03fix of this quarterback class, because, you know, you pick up the

00:37:07toy and you see what it could be.

00:37:09Um, but will they fix them?

00:37:11You know, I have no idea.

00:37:12He's, um, he's an athlete and I think you could possibly use him in packages.

00:37:20I don't know why I'm not, I mean, Drake may has some great arms.

00:37:22I'm not sure.

00:37:24Um, yeah, it'd be really far away.

00:37:25If we're talking about putting in Milton for May for a Hail Mary, I think in

00:37:29theory, he could be like your QB sneak quarterback with his size as well.

00:37:32He could call some of the Cam Newton package stuff with him at the gold line.

00:37:36Uh, but I think honestly, year one, I doubt he cracks the game day

00:37:40roster if he ends up making the 53 man roster, the hard thing for me.

00:37:45I mean, you know, people, people are talking, Oh, he's this and he's that.

00:37:49And he's someone who's over, he's better than Zappy and he's great.

00:37:52And he's going to, uh, so look, I'm not a big, but like my buddy is,

00:37:57uh, is a Tennessee volunteers fan.

00:38:00And I was like, Oh, I'm thinking about, you know, when I was writing one of my

00:38:03marks, I'm thinking about putting Joe Milton in there and he's like, don't do it.

00:38:06Don't don't do it.

00:38:08Don't do it.

00:38:09He's flipping terrible.

00:38:10He's like, he's one of the worst quarterbacks you'll ever see in your

00:38:12entire life.

00:38:13Like he just, he's so bad.

00:38:15And like, this is a guy that played for a long time in college.

00:38:17Like he's had time to figure it out and, you know, he's wildly inaccurate.

00:38:23Um, and that's just who he is.

00:38:26I don't know if you can coach that out of him, you know?

00:38:29And so, and again, I'm not trying to make this, you know, Bailey's happy is,

00:38:33you know, to me, he's out, right.

00:38:36I would rather have Joe Milton on my team than Bailey's happy.

00:38:38I'll just, yeah, no, I, like I said, I think that that Zappy is probably better.

00:38:42It doesn't mean that I want to keep zapping.

00:38:46The difference is tiny and also not significant.

00:38:50Correct.

00:38:50Yeah.

00:38:51And so, and so, but just, just so people in the chat understand, like I get that, I

00:38:55get the tools and you see the tools and you see the throws and you see the

00:38:59highlights and you're like, Oh boy.

00:39:01Okay.

00:39:01The highlights are there.

00:39:02We can build this guy.

00:39:04I'm just saying when you're there every day, you listen to the, the, the fans of

00:39:09those teams that he played for when he was at Alabama, when he was at Tennessee

00:39:16and he just like those guys, like, don't just for the love of God, he's just not

00:39:20good.

00:39:20And so, and so those are the people that I listened to that might be wrong, but

00:39:25those are the people that I listened to when they're talking about that.

00:39:28And so that's, that's all.

00:39:30And again, it doesn't mean, doesn't mean that, that he won't prove people wrong.

00:39:33It doesn't mean he won't, it's worth a shot because if he somehow develops, if

00:39:40he somehow figures it out, he's a top 10 quarterback in the NFL because he

00:39:45has some of the mobility, some of the mobility, he's huge and he's got a hell

00:39:50of an arm.

00:39:51So if he can figure that out, that would be incredible.

00:39:55I don't think that's going to happen, but if he could, then what that, and it

00:39:58one 93, it's worth a shot.

00:40:00And so, especially when you need a backup quarterback, it's, it's worth a shot.

00:40:03In my opinion.

00:40:03So, yeah.

00:40:04All right.

00:40:05Last pick pick two 31 Jaheim bell from Florida state.

00:40:10I am 100% convinced that Jaheim bell was around at two 31 because no one in the

00:40:16NFL in any of the, any idea what to do with him, the seventh round was filled

00:40:20with guys that, in my opinion, the NFL just had, just didn't know what they were

00:40:27like, Johnny Wilson, interestingly enough, his, his Florida state teammate

00:40:31dropped all the way to the seventh round.

00:40:34Not because he wasn't good, but because no one knew whether it was

00:40:37a tight end or wide receiver.

00:40:39They were like, I, we, I don't know what to do with this guy.

00:40:42And so could he work out?

00:40:45Yeah, maybe, but there's also, it's like, I I'm also not sure

00:40:49what position he's going to play.

00:40:50And bell's kind of that same way where he's not a super explosive athlete.

00:40:56He's pretty elusive, but not incredibly elusive.

00:41:00And you're like, okay, I, I just don't know what he does.

00:41:02Is he a fullback?

00:41:03Is he a tight end?

00:41:04Is he a H back?

00:41:06Is he like, what, what, what does he do?

00:41:08Right.

00:41:09And I think that that's kind of, that's why he drops this far.

00:41:12And if the Patriots can figure out a role for him, not do what they did

00:41:16with John Smith when John Smith was here, but actually figure out a role for him.

00:41:21I think that that could, he could be a guy that gives them something

00:41:27on offense they don't have.

00:41:28Um, whether they will or not, I don't know, but I like the idea of him.

00:41:33Yeah.

00:41:33And bell is interesting because he's, he's a good athlete.

00:41:37Um, RAS score, I think like 8.6, something in that range off top of my head.

00:41:41Um, he's just, he's never been more than like the number four option on any of

00:41:46the teams he's been on in college.

00:41:48He's been productive, you know, you can pretty much count on him

00:41:50for 500 yards from scrimmage every year.

00:41:53He was actually involved in whatever he was doing.

00:41:55Um, but he's never really been a top option.

00:41:59He's played on some good teams in there.

00:42:01Um, so yeah, it's, how do you use him?

00:42:03Do you have a plan for him?

00:42:05I like him a lot.

00:42:06I like the traits.

00:42:07This is going to get a really good grade for me.

00:42:09Uh, I gave this one a B plus because I think it's a steal to get an athlete.

00:42:15Like this at tight end at the seven, at the end of the seventh round.

00:42:19And I think he's a fit with what Alex van Pelt likes.

00:42:23Again, I was going through this Browns offense recently looking

00:42:26at the way they do things.

00:42:27And, uh, you know, there's a lot of reps where they'll go out there

00:42:29with three tight ends on the field motion.

00:42:31One of the tight ends into the backfield, use them as a fullback.

00:42:34And what that does is it means you can get more, you can use that tight

00:42:38ending, it's an advantageous blocking angles, the second level to

00:42:41get, put them in easier positions.

00:42:43Uh, and they also do a lot of that stuff to get the tight end in motion.

00:42:47You know, you do your play action bootleg, the tight end go who's

00:42:50lined up at fullback goes across the formation and you can, you

00:42:54know, get something going.

00:42:56Uh, it's stretching the defense.

00:42:57And Jaheim Bell is that kind of guy.

00:42:59He's a wing tight end.

00:43:00He's an H back.

00:43:01It's never going to be a top number one tight end.

00:43:04He doesn't have the athletic traits for it, but he's a guy who the

00:43:08rest of your offense is good.

00:43:09You can then just get him the ball in space four or five times a game.

00:43:13And he'll pick up chunks if the defense gives you the space.

00:43:18Yeah.

00:43:18Yeah, I agree.

00:43:20Oh, by the way, TJ says that, uh, Elliot must've, Elliot

00:43:22Wolf must've been watching us.

00:43:24Hey man, I hope so.

00:43:25You know, make sense.

00:43:27Makes sense.

00:43:28And what do I did so well, uh, but a busy says that he could be a

00:43:33use check type of role, which I think, I think that kind of makes sense.

00:43:36I like that.

00:43:36I mean, I made that comparison when they picked him.

00:43:38Yeah.

00:43:39Yeah.

00:43:39And so, so we'll see.

00:43:41So overall I gave it a B plus, um, you know, I teetered

00:43:45between a B and a B plus.

00:43:46I decided on a B plus, I could be convinced it was a B and not a B plus,

00:43:50but, um, but that's where I went.

00:43:52Also, if we could just run through really quick, really quick, just run

00:43:57through, by the way, what did, what did you give it overall a B plus as well?

00:44:01I give it, I didn't grade it overall, but I give it a B plus.

00:44:03Um, it's what really the grade of this draft is entirely determined

00:44:08by the success of Drake May.

00:44:10If Drake May is good and none of the other players are, nobody

00:44:13is going to, it doesn't matter.

00:44:14Right.

00:44:14Yeah.

00:44:14Yep.

00:44:15That's a hundred percent.

00:44:16What, what the case is.

00:44:17I agree.

00:44:17So, all right, just, just, I'm going to just run through the names of the

00:44:20UDF phase, we're not going to break them all down.

00:44:23I haven't really dove into any of these guys, so I'm not even going to

00:44:26pretend to know, but I will just give you them.

00:44:30Okay.

00:44:31So Del Pettis, who's a safety from Troy, uh, led the, led the

00:44:35tourism 74 tacos last season, which is interesting.

00:44:38Uh, Charles Turner, who is a center from LSU.

00:44:41So Jayden Daniels is the center.

00:44:43I allowed one sack last year and 763 snaps.

00:44:46Mikey Victor, who's a corner from Alabama state who could, I

00:44:51mean, Alabama state, come on now.

00:44:53Uh, John Morgan and edge from Arkansas, AKA Arkansas.

00:44:59Um, Caleb Ford, Demet, uh, was a corner from Texas state.

00:45:04Jacob Warren, who's a tight end from Tennessee.

00:45:07Jet Bush, who's a linebacker from Texas, John Trey Hunter, who's

00:45:13a linebacker from Georgia state.

00:45:14John Trey Hunter has one of like the worst RAS scores you'll

00:45:17ever see your entire life.

00:45:18Like one of the slowest people all time, but it's funny because sometimes

00:45:24you see some of those things and you're in like, like Jarvis Landry

00:45:27has like a 0.2 RAS score and you're like, wait, what, how is it even possible?

00:45:31So, um, sometimes they just over, it just works.

00:45:36I think that the best of the bunch here is going to be Deshaun Fenwick.

00:45:39Who's a running back from Oregon state.

00:45:42He just, he shows a little bit, a little bit of explosion.

00:45:47Um, and again, he may turn to nothing, but he's one of those guys.

00:45:50He looks like fun.

00:45:52And the last guy is, uh, Zuri Henry.

00:45:54Who's a tackle from UTEP.

00:45:56This guy has been playing football for six years in college, six years.

00:46:05Okay.

00:46:07He, this is my favorite suit.

00:46:10He has 1600 snaps at left tackle and 900 snaps at right tackle.

00:46:20The guys played 2,500 snaps in college football.

00:46:24He's a veteran.

00:46:26So, so he's got a lot of experience at both tackle positions.

00:46:31Uh, I mean, come on, like, you know, I would say it's a, it's

00:46:35a long shot for him to make the team, but this is pretty cool.

00:46:38Six, six, three, 10, like what the heck?

00:46:40You know what I mean?

00:46:40So, um, so

00:46:43and I'd also not on that list, but they have some, um, tryout invites

00:46:47for Ricky minicamp in early May.

00:46:50Yeah.

00:46:51There's two, I believe two kickers who were invited to it.

00:46:53One of them just got invited.

00:46:55I don't know anything about him.

00:46:56Yeah.

00:46:56The dude is a Canadian.

00:46:58That's all.

00:46:58Like the Canadian guy was good.

00:47:00I was, there was an article on Pat's pulpit about it.

00:47:02If you want to go read that.

00:47:05Yeah.

00:47:05I don't, I don't have any details on that off the top of my head, but if they do

00:47:08well, possibly some chat right when the competition, I like it.

00:47:11I like it.

00:47:12So, um, barely, I can't, I can't, uh, can't confirm.

00:47:16He is not older than me, but he's getting there.

00:47:18He's getting there.

00:47:19Um, so my age there.

00:47:22Yeah.

00:47:22Right.

00:47:23See, he actually might be your age.

00:47:25Um, so anyway, so there's that.

00:47:28Um, so let's take another break and then we're going to talk about the, the

00:47:31Patriots news that happened today.

00:47:33And then we'll get into the, uh, the drafts that we liked and didn't like as well.

00:47:37So this will be our last break and then we'll get through those and we'll be back.

00:47:42The Celtics are in the playoffs and there's nothing like the atmosphere of

00:47:45the garden during a Celtics game.

00:47:47And the easiest way to get in the building is by using the game time app.

00:47:51The prices on game time actually go down the closer it gets to tip off.

00:47:56Now, one of the nice things about game time is that they have all in pricing,

00:47:59which means you see the fees up front.

00:48:02They're not hitting you with fees after you've already paid, or as

00:48:05you get to the payout screen, they're giving them to you upfront.

00:48:07So, you know, exactly what you're paying.

00:48:09They also have the lowest price guarantee.

00:48:12If you find a price lower, they will credit you 110% of the difference.

00:48:18And they give you a seat view before you purchase anything.

00:48:22You can even move your phone around and see how it looks.

00:48:25So take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with game time, download

00:48:29the game time app, create an account and use the code CLNS for $20.

00:48:34If your first purchase terms apply again, create an account and

00:48:37redeem the code CLNS for $20 off.

00:48:41Download game time today, last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed.

00:48:48All right.

00:48:49Nice.

00:48:50Okay.

00:48:50So let's, um, let's dive into this, uh, Patriots news from today.

00:48:54The first one is that a Conor McDermott was let go.

00:48:58Um, a guy that I just think we should touch on it only because he's a guy that

00:49:03played swing tackle for the Patriots and performed admirably over the last two

00:49:07years, I think you have a lot more problems on the offensive line if you

00:49:12don't have Conor McDermott and the offensive line wasn't very good, but I

00:49:16think Conor McDermott really helped out a lot, certainly in 2022, he was hurt a

00:49:20little for a lot of the season last year, but, uh, certainly in 2022 and was a guy

00:49:24that, you know, was a little bit of a dependable veteran, I thought.

00:49:28Yeah.

00:49:28Started what?

00:49:29Five games last year.

00:49:30I think at 228 snaps, he got injured during camp.

00:49:33So then he had to be waived.

00:49:35They waited for him to get healthy and brought him back.

00:49:37He's been, you know, all over the place last couple of years, but he was good.

00:49:41He was serviceable.

00:49:42And I think my takeaway from this is that, you know, you don't cut him unless

00:49:45you feel good about your other veteran options that tackle, I think number one,

00:49:50this tells me that they think Calvin Anderson is probably good to go.

00:49:55He's had health issues, but when he was in Denver, he was.

00:49:58The swing tackle backup tackle there.

00:50:00And he did very well at left tackle.

00:50:03Uh, now he's removed from whatever illness set him back last off season.

00:50:08And hopefully 2023 is a wash.

00:50:10We could throw that out the window and Calvin Anderson gets back to his 2022

00:50:14self, because if you get back to that 2022 version of Calvin Anderson, he

00:50:19might be the best past blocker at left tackle on this roster as it's currently

00:50:22constructed, he got really good PFF grades there.

00:50:25Um, so, um, yeah, hopefully that's what this means is that they think he's

00:50:30back because that could have been a very good signing if it worked out last year.

00:50:34Well, and that's the thing, right?

00:50:35We don't, we just don't know, right.

00:50:37We don't know what the situation is going to be.

00:50:39Um, and I think that that's one of those interesting things that like, I was

00:50:42excited about Calvin Anderson before last year, and of course, then he gets it, he

00:50:45gets sick and, and whatever the sickness was, he was out for the majority of the

00:50:50year.

00:50:51Um, and so hopefully if he's healthy now, you never know.

00:50:54And I think that I liked that quite a bit.

00:50:57Um, and then of course, Christian Barmore, a four year up to $92 million

00:51:05contract, uh, the largest non Tom Brady deal the Patriots have ever signed,

00:51:13which I think it's fantastic.

00:51:14I absolutely love it.

00:51:15And obviously the, the new salary cap is a huge reason for that, right?

00:51:22But the fact that they went out, they made him one of the highest paid defense

00:51:29deckers, although I saw that by, by average annual value, he's still outside

00:51:33the top 10, which is wild.

00:51:35Um, but those guys get paid a ton of money and he was dominant last year.

00:51:40He was dominant last year.

00:51:41And so I like him a lot.

00:51:43I love him.

00:51:44I mean, I, I have his Jersey.

00:51:46I mean, I love the guy.

00:51:47Um, he might be my favorite player on the team right now.

00:51:50And so I am over the moon that they, that they, you know, took care of

00:51:55this before he became a free agent.

00:51:56There was no need to wait until next year, do it now.

00:51:59They did it now.

00:52:00And I could not love it more.

00:52:03It's from what I saw, this is the eighth biggest contract at the position,

00:52:08just based on the full contract value.

00:52:10I also saw that it's the eighth biggest at the position in terms of

00:52:14average value, that's spot track today.

00:52:16Is it, is it spot track or spot track?

00:52:18Never, I don't even know.

00:52:21I think it's spot track, but I, I don't know how they pronounce it to be honest

00:52:24with you, whatever it is.

00:52:25Yeah.

00:52:25And I think you can't be wrong no matter what you say.

00:52:28It is spo track, but they might pronounce it spot track.

00:52:31I don't know.

00:52:32Okay.

00:52:32Um, and then it's 40, $41.8 million guaranteed.

00:52:38That is 12th highest at the position.

00:52:41So, um, yeah, I mean, I think he's, he plays like that, so I think

00:52:45he's going to be worth that.

00:52:46And the other thing is, uh, those numbers will go down as new players sign contracts.

00:52:52I think the fact that this stayed away from Christian Wilkins

00:52:55money is great value for them.

00:52:57Um, this contract could have been larger.

00:53:00So the fact that he's willing to sign this number, uh, very, very happy about it.

00:53:04And as they come through his age 29 season in new England, he's going to spend the

00:53:08first eight years of his career here.

00:53:10And this is, he's the core of your new defensive identity.

00:53:15And, you know, that's the length of break maze rookie contract.

00:53:19So that means in theory, you should be getting an anchor of your defense for the

00:53:23entirety of the rookie contract of, you know, the new quarterback that you have

00:53:28your quarterback one, hopefully the future of your franchise, which

00:53:31that helps with the development.

00:53:33Uh, it sure does.

00:53:34It sure does.

00:53:35By the way, I just pulled a spot track and, uh, top the top update is a

00:53:40hashtag Patriots legend, Justin Haran just signed a deal with the, with the

00:53:44New Orleans saints.

00:53:45So there you go.

00:53:45Nice.

00:53:46Um, that's actually, that's a good signing for that.

00:53:49And they weren't, I like, I like her on.

00:53:51Um, so, and in TV, I just want to, I just want to point this out.

00:53:55TD says, you know, for all the people that complain about, about Belichick

00:53:58draftees, and I said this, I tweeted this out earlier today, but as terrible of a

00:54:04situation as the offense is in, there's a ton of young talent on defense, right?

00:54:12You look at the guys that they resigned.

00:54:14And of course you have Mike on women, too, was a six round pick, but like you

00:54:18have guys that, you know, have that thing.

00:54:25Duggar bar more, right?

00:54:28Peppers peppers to Vi is the guys off the scrap heap that you're

00:54:35Bentley who they drafted, who I love, you know, Dietrich wise, uh, uh,

00:54:41Inferno Jennings, right?

00:54:43Like now Keon white.

00:54:44So I just think there's a lot of Joshua, Joshua, who Jay wants to go by Joshua now.

00:54:51So there you go.

00:54:52Right.

00:54:52Joshua, who Shay, I like that.

00:54:54Um, and so look, I think that, you know, in Mabu we'll see what Mabu ends up being,

00:54:59but I just think, and of course, Christian Gonzalez, right.

00:55:02And Jonathan Jones.

00:55:03So there's a ton of young talent on this defense, which is great.

00:55:08The problem is their offense sucks.

00:55:09Right.

00:55:10And so, and I, you know, whatever, I'm not getting into the bell, which I think,

00:55:14but, but regardless, I just think that you look at the state that the defense

00:55:19is in and that I think more than anything propels the Patriots to do what they did.

00:55:27Right.

00:55:28Um, because to me, at least they knew they needed to improve their offense.

00:55:36And so they got their offense and they drafted one guy on defense, but they,

00:55:39they were like, all right, we got guys on defense.

00:55:41We need studs on offense.

00:55:43And so they went out and tried to get some guys.

00:55:44So we'll see how it goes, but that's the idea.

00:55:47Yeah.

00:55:47How do we want to get into our, uh, draft draft picks?

00:55:51We'd like to draft picks.

00:55:52We didn't around the league.

00:55:53Absolutely.

00:55:53Let's do it.

00:55:55You want to, do you want to start us off?

00:55:57I will start us off.

00:55:58I will start us off.

00:55:59And you know what?

00:55:59I'm going to start with a, like, I'm going to start with a, like, we'll

00:56:01start on the positive sides of the negative side was on the positive side.

00:56:05Uh, and there's a bunch of them.

00:56:07I think for me though, it's the lions, uh, in the first two rounds, they

00:56:12trade up for, uh, for a, um, for the, well, not the first, but I think the

00:56:18number, in my opinion, at least the number one corner on the board, Terry

00:56:23Arnold at 24, which is like wild.

00:56:26Does he get Terry Arnold at 24?

00:56:29And then they get Ennis Rekeshaw, uh, at the end of the second round.

00:56:33That's a, this is a defense that blows.

00:56:36I mean, they are terrible.

00:56:39And for them to go out in the first two rounds and get two guys that I think

00:56:44Terry Arnold, I think you could make an argument was a top, you know, 15 pick.

00:56:48And you know, in a year that there wasn't so much ridiculous offense would

00:56:52have been the top 10 pick for me.

00:56:55I look at it and say, that's an incredible pick.

00:56:57And then Rekeshaw is a guy that I thought could have snuck into the end of the

00:57:01first round, maybe early second round.

00:57:03They get them all the way.

00:57:04It's pick 61 for a team that really, really needed help in the defensive

00:57:10backfield, I think that it was, it was a really, really nice job by them.

00:57:16I like that one.

00:57:17That's a, that's a good one.

00:57:19My first one that I liked, um, I'm going to go with Troy Franklin to Denver.

00:57:26They drafted Bo Nix, which, um, I, I have mixed feelings on, I'll put it that way.

00:57:32The fact that you can get his number one receiver to pair with

00:57:35him as late as they got him.

00:57:37I have some questions about Troy Franklin too, as a prospect, but that's fantastic

00:57:41value and a great job of picking a wide receiver with your quarterback in mind.

00:57:46So shout out Denver.

00:57:48I like it.

00:57:49Well, let's go to, let's go to one.

00:57:50We didn't like, and, um, Murph Murph.

00:57:53I'm calling for a earmuffs, Murph earmuffs, Joe Walt man at five.

00:57:59I didn't get it.

00:58:01I didn't get it.

00:58:01I love, I love Joe.

00:58:04All I think he's awesome.

00:58:07They have a left tackle.

00:58:08They have Rashawn Slater left tackle.

00:58:10They're not moving Rashawn Slater from left tackle, in my opinion.

00:58:15You trade number five to Minnesota.

00:58:19They move up to five.

00:58:20They give you 11, they give you 23.

00:58:22Maybe they even give you their first round pick next year.

00:58:24Maybe they don't, but even 11 and 23 and an 11, you draft Holly for Wagga.

00:58:29And, and to me, you're getting a legitimately really good right tackle.

00:58:34Now I'm not saying Joe won't be a really good right tackle.

00:58:37What I am saying is that he's going to have to play right tackle for you.

00:58:40You drafted him number five overall to play right tackle.

00:58:42I, that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:58:45And so, you know, yes, he was the best offensive lineman in the draft.

00:58:49Yes.

00:58:49He's an incredible player.

00:58:50In my opinion, he has, he has the opportunity.

00:58:53And we talked about on the show that I think if I had to put my life on one guy

00:58:58being a hall of Famer, it would have been him, but it's a play right tackle.

00:59:05I don't know.

00:59:06It just seemed bizarre to me.

00:59:07I would have traded back, taken the extra draft.

00:59:09Again, drafted, you know, the best right tackle in the draft, which

00:59:12is Tali for Wagga, in my opinion.

00:59:14And so I was perplexed by that.

00:59:18I feel like I, I felt a lot better if they took Vlad McConkie later on.

00:59:21It's true.

00:59:22It's true.

00:59:23Yeah.

00:59:23But, um, I definitely hear what you're saying there.

00:59:26When I didn't like, uh, I'm going with the Cincinnati Bengals high risk

00:59:30strategy, three of their top five picks.

00:59:33Marius Mims, guy who didn't play for a long time, but now he's

00:59:38guy who didn't play that much football, Jermaine Burton, a guy noted to have

00:59:42issues in multiple locker rooms, Eric, all a tight end who has

00:59:47been chronically injured lately.

00:59:50You're swinging for the fences on all three of these.

00:59:53I think having that much risk street, your top five picks,

00:59:57that scares me a little bit.

00:59:59That is a little bit too much to me.

01:00:00I get it.

01:00:01I understand the rationale.

01:00:03That's a bit much for me.

01:00:05Yeah.

01:00:06Yeah, I, it makes, that makes a lot of sense.

01:00:08Um, and so, and Nagan says that the penny schools, you have to be a right

01:00:13tackle, which you're, you're a hundred percent correct.

01:00:17You are a hundred percent correct about that.

01:00:19It is true.

01:00:20He did go seventh overall.

01:00:22Um, so it's a little bit different than five.

01:00:24It's not much different than five, but it is a little bit

01:00:26different than five, um, in my opinion.

01:00:29But, but again, I just think the difference is, and I'm not saying

01:00:34just to, just to kind of go back to the Joel thing.

01:00:36The difference for me is that it's the value could have gotten that.

01:00:42That's the only, that's in my opinion.

01:00:44That's why.

01:00:45So again, I love Joel.

01:00:47I just feel like that you could have gotten a ton of value.

01:00:49Um, nevertheless.

01:00:51Okay.

01:00:51Let's go back to the whites.

01:00:52You know, what's just, just a brief aside, Jermaine Burton was one of my likes.

01:00:57And the reason why he was one of my likes is because you're not putting

01:01:01him in a ton of pressure right away.

01:01:04You're putting him into a wide receiver room.

01:01:05That's really, really good.

01:01:08Right.

01:01:08And so, yes, he's been a huge issue and he's been a huge problem, but

01:01:13you're also not having him step in.

01:01:15Like if he comes into new England, if he was the first receiver that new

01:01:19England took, there's a ton of pressure on him right away.

01:01:22And if he doesn't succeed, all eyes are going to be on him.

01:01:24Right.

01:01:25Whereas yeah.

01:01:27Okay.

01:01:27Jim, yeah, there's going to be eyes on Jermaine Burton for sure, but not as

01:01:32much because he has two guys that are really assuming they don't trade Teagans.

01:01:37He has two guys in front of him that are both really good.

01:01:39Right.

01:01:40And so he's stepping in as the wide receiver three instead of the

01:01:44wide receiver one or two.

01:01:45Right.

01:01:46And I think that makes a big difference.

01:01:47So I liked the idea that did that, but, um, but anyways, another

01:01:51like for me was, uh, Adonai Mitchell.

01:01:53I liked the idea that Indianapolis is continuing to build guys.

01:01:58I think Alec Pierce, he's going to kind of take that role from

01:02:01Alec Pierce, Alec Pierce was kind of that deep ball, jump ball threat.

01:02:06I just don't think he was very good at it.

01:02:07Uh, 80 Mitchell is.

01:02:09And so kind of looking at it and saying, okay, we have Michael Pittman,

01:02:13we have Josh downs, we have some guys that we like right now, we're going to

01:02:18go out and get this guy that we think can improve this position.

01:02:23Um, you know, and kind of take that role away from Alec Pierce and

01:02:27then maybe Pierce still has a role, but I just think that he

01:02:29does it better than Pierce does.

01:02:32That's really interesting.

01:02:34I didn't.

01:02:35Yeah.

01:02:36Okay.

01:02:36All right.

01:02:37Um, yeah, I didn't think about that.

01:02:41My, my like, this is a double Brock Bowers and Jackson

01:02:45powers, Johnson falling to the Raiders.

01:02:48I like the Raiders didn't overcomplicate this guys.

01:02:51A lot of people likes two guys.

01:02:52It should be good players.

01:02:54Don't look now with the Vegas offense looks kind of all right.

01:02:58Outside of the quarterback position and depending on how things

01:03:00go in this rebuild, they're poised to drop in a quarterback at some point.

01:03:05If you have Brock Bowers and Jackson powers, Johnson ended up being.

01:03:09Guys that live up to the hype.

01:03:11You could have a almost all pro level center and a pro bowl level tight end.

01:03:17And he had Marcello mayor last year.

01:03:19So you can do the, the said Marcello mayor.

01:03:22That's the Red Sox shorts.

01:03:23Yeah.

01:03:23That's the Red Sox.

01:03:24I was like, wait a second.

01:03:25What?

01:03:25Yeah, that's my wrong player.

01:03:27My guy there.

01:03:28Yeah, we got there.

01:03:30Um, you know, you got, uh, you got that.

01:03:33You can run 12 personnel there and have a good offensive line and hopefully

01:03:36have a good running game and Myers and Adams is a good fit.

01:03:39And I see, I see the vision.

01:03:40So congrats to them on not overcomplicating it and just

01:03:44taking the best player on the board.

01:03:46Yeah, there you go.

01:03:46There you go.

01:03:47One of them.

01:03:47I mean, I mean, I feel like we've talked about it so much, but I feel like you

01:03:53have my, I mean what Atlanta did.

01:03:58I just don't, I don't get it.

01:03:59I don't think anyone's ever going to understand it.

01:04:01Maybe it'll work out for them.

01:04:02I just can't imagine that it will.

01:04:04Uh, and every explanation is dumber than the last one, because if you're

01:04:08going to tell me that Kirk Cousins is 36 and can't be trusted and he's

01:04:11injury prone, you just gave him $180 million with a hundred guaranteed.

01:04:15What the hell are you doing?

01:04:16Trusting a guy like that.

01:04:17If you can't trust them, why are you giving them that much money?

01:04:20So, um, you know, I don't, I'd like Michael Penix.

01:04:24I just think what they did was insane.

01:04:26Um, and, uh, to add onto that chop Robinson as well, I thought it was a

01:04:31little bizarre, uh, in the first round.

01:04:33I get, maybe the value was really good for Miami.

01:04:36They felt like the value there was, was too good to pass up.

01:04:39I just feel like they had other needs than, you know, edge rusher.

01:04:42They have some, now they're ed rushers got hurt last year.

01:04:44I get that.

01:04:46But like, you have two really good edge rushers.

01:04:49They both got hurt last year, but like, are you spending your first round

01:04:53on a position where you already have really good players just because they

01:04:56got hurt last year and you're worried about them getting hurt again?

01:04:59It just doesn't, it didn't, it just doesn't make sense to me in my opinion.

01:05:03Yeah.

01:05:04I'm there.

01:05:04I'm right there with you.

01:05:05Um, I'm definitely agreed.

01:05:07My second one that I didn't like, I'm going with another group here.

01:05:10It's a lot of what Washington didn't it later in the draft.

01:05:13Um, Luke McCaffrey in the third too high.

01:05:17I don't get it.

01:05:18Jordan McGee in the fifth.

01:05:20He's a guy I was looking at as a special teams linebacker in the seventh round.

01:05:24Fifth round.

01:05:24Why?

01:05:25And I love Benson.

01:05:26I think he was taken at the appropriate value.

01:05:29I do not get him in the cliff Kingsbury offense.

01:05:31I don't think they're going to use him very effectively there at all.

01:05:34Maybe I'm wrong on that, but a couple of reaches, a couple of

01:05:37guys that didn't love the fit of, um, yeah, yeah, I didn't love that.

01:05:42Well, and we don't love Jayden Daniels, right?

01:05:44So like, of course that's there for us now.

01:05:46I do think that Johnny Newton pick was really good.

01:05:50Um, and then the Jeff, who else did you have in the second round?

01:05:52Oh, and they drafted, uh, they drafted Newton Senate and Sandra still.

01:05:57So I like some of those on my likes list.

01:06:00I can tell you, I'd like some of those picks, but not all of them.

01:06:03Right.

01:06:03And so, um, so that's kind of where I'm at with that.

01:06:06Uh, I guess to finish off what I have for the likes that we, well, there's a few.

01:06:11I got, I still got, I have a ton of likes and not, not, not as many dislikes, but

01:06:15I'll give you my last dislike as Malik neighbors.

01:06:17Um, I get the process.

01:06:22He's really flipping good.

01:06:24I just, there was some concerns about the way he handled things

01:06:30and his maturity level, and maybe those don't matter, but like, we've

01:06:36seen how receivers in LSU, LSU receivers do in New York for the giants.

01:06:42You know, like I'm a little concerned about it.

01:06:45Again, this is another situation where I felt like if you move back

01:06:48and you pick up extra picks, you can get something that will help you out

01:06:51more than getting a wide receiver like that, especially when you have

01:06:54Daniel Jones as your quarterback.

01:06:56But again, that's, you know, I think it's a little nitpicky of me because I think

01:07:03the neighbors is really, really good.

01:07:05And like, if you can get a really, really good wide receiver,

01:07:08you should probably do it.

01:07:09Um, I just don't love the fit with the giants, but in particular,

01:07:14see, that's interesting because I, I actually love that fit.

01:07:18I didn't put it in here, but I liked that one.

01:07:21Do you want me to give you a pro or a con here?

01:07:23When I liked one, I didn't like, give me a con and we'll, or whatever.

01:07:26It doesn't matter.

01:07:27Cause I have like, I have like four likes left that will maybe I wouldn't

01:07:30even, I got, I got, I got three of each.

01:07:33I can speed through a couple of mine.

01:07:34If we want to, we want to do it something fast right here.

01:07:37All right.

01:07:37Let me, let me speed through my dislikes here.

01:07:39AJ Barner to Seattle in the fourth round with Cade Stouffer still on the board.

01:07:44I love AJ Barner.

01:07:45I think he can be a really good blocking tight end.

01:07:48AJ Barner in the fourth round.

01:07:50Why in Seattle?

01:07:52I didn't get that fit at all.

01:07:53Uh, Miami dolphins.

01:07:56It took not one, but two speed rushers off the edge.

01:07:59They took not one, but two wide receivers.

01:08:02They took a running back who's fast as hell did not take a single

01:08:06interior offensive lineman.

01:08:08Right.

01:08:08Isaiah Wynn is one of their starters.

01:08:10Their offensive line depth is awful.

01:08:12They did.

01:08:12They took one offensive lineman and he was a tackle in the

01:08:14second round with Patrick Paul.

01:08:16Yeah.

01:08:17Why, what are you doing?

01:08:18I'd sell, I get, I get that decorating the house is nice, but at some point

01:08:23you need to reinforce the foundation or the house is going to go sliding into

01:08:26the water when you get into December every single year, like, come on, you

01:08:30gotta, you gotta, you gotta build the bones of this thing a little bit.

01:08:35And Xavier Liggett to the Panthers.

01:08:38I just don't think that's the kind of receiver that Bryce young needs.

01:08:41I don't see the scheme fit there at all.

01:08:44Uh, I think if you're going for a bigger receiver, I would have gone

01:08:46Keon Coleman for, for them, but you know, just take lap of cocky.

01:08:52He separates it's simple.

01:08:54Yeah.

01:08:55You got Deontay Johnson who separates you want more of those guys.

01:08:59You want a lot of guys who can create separation.

01:09:00Deontay Johnson is very inconsistent to the point where the Steelers of all

01:09:05teams who are willing to move on from him, like that's not what you're looking for.

01:09:11Yeah.

01:09:11So, uh, I, I didn't like this.

01:09:14I like that.

01:09:15Uh, last one for me that the dislike was tip Raymond.

01:09:18I just thought it was super early pick 82.

01:09:22I feel like it's really early for tip Raymond.

01:09:24Now he put up good numbers of the scouting combine.

01:09:26So I assume that's probably why he went where he went.

01:09:29I just feel like he went really early.

01:09:31And again, like one of those things for me, right.

01:09:34Where I look at, you know, this happened to Benson and it happened to Luke

01:09:39shoemaker, who I loved Luke shoemaker last year and tip Raymond as well, where

01:09:43I looked at it and said, I really like these guys and then I see where they get

01:09:47drafted and I'm like, it went no part of that, like no part of that.

01:09:50Maybe it'll work out at pick 82, you know, maybe, um, maybe Senate will

01:09:55work out as a second round pick.

01:09:57But like, I just, I'm not using a second round pick on Benson and I'm

01:10:02struggling to using a third round pick on tip Raymond, who is a guy that, you

01:10:07know, Billy even caught the ball in college and like really good blocker.

01:10:11And I know he's got some athletic upside, but like, can he run a route?

01:10:14Like, I don't know.

01:10:15I literally don't know if he can run around.

01:10:17And so that's, that's what concerns me.

01:10:19Does he understand spacing and zone coverage and all that stuff?

01:10:22Like, I just, I don't know if he understands any of that stuff.

01:10:24Cause he didn't, he wasn't asked to do it.

01:10:25No, you know?

01:10:27Exactly.

01:10:27Yep.

01:10:28Yep.

01:10:28So it's a total, it's a total projection.

01:10:31Right.

01:10:32Right.

01:10:32Do we want to wrap up with some positive stuff?

01:10:34Yeah.

01:10:34So some positives, uh, Malachi Corley, listen, man, he's my guy, frigging

01:10:41jets, the frigging jets, dude.

01:10:43But I will say the, the Joe Douglas, you know, Malachi Corley, no matter what

01:10:49text to, um, uh, what's his face to Sala, Robert Sala was great.

01:10:55I'm like, all right.

01:10:55At least they, at least they're going to respect my boy.

01:10:57At least they're going to give him some love.

01:10:58At least I know they love him.

01:11:00So I'm okay.

01:11:01Um, and so, you know, I like that.

01:11:04Uh, TJ, TJ, TD, I'm sorry.

01:11:06I mentioned Cooper, uh, Dajean or Dijon.

01:11:10I love what the Eagles did in the first two rounds.

01:11:12They went out and they got Mitchell in the first round.

01:11:15Um, and then they get a Cooper John in the second round, they move up to get them.

01:11:20But I think that that makes a ton of sense.

01:11:22Another team that needed defensive secondary help and gets two, in

01:11:27my opinion, really good corners.

01:11:29I think the John might end up playing safety in the league, but to me, I

01:11:35think that makes a ton of sense.

01:11:36I like it a lot.

01:11:37Um, and then I'll give you one more, then I'll let you go.

01:11:40And then if you don't say the last one, I'll say the last one afterwards,

01:11:43but to Vondrae sweat, I just think is fantastic to put him next to

01:11:47Jeffrey Simmons and just like good luck.

01:11:49Good luck playing Tennessee with the Vondrae sweat and Jeffrey

01:11:52Simmons in the middle of the defense.

01:11:56I like that.

01:11:58I like that mine.

01:12:00I'll wrap up here.

01:12:01I said before, um, Mike Sanders, still the Washington great culture

01:12:05fit and their defense stinks.

01:12:07So good player, great culture fit.

01:12:09That's a great value.

01:12:10I like that for Washington, Roman Wilson to the Steelers.

01:12:14We've made jokes about how like the Steelers, like the guys who

01:12:16are like bad apples and all that.

01:12:18Roman Wilson brings like the same attitude, but without any

01:12:23of the off-field concerns.

01:12:24Yeah.

01:12:25Um, he's like the, the good version of some of the guys that they've picked

01:12:29really fast player, I think he's a great fit for what they want to do.

01:12:32I mean, I really don't know what they want to do with the pass game, but.

01:12:36Hard worker, culture fit.

01:12:37Um, they're not gonna have any issues with him off the field.

01:12:39So I think that's fantastic for Pittsburgh, unfortunately.

01:12:43And my last one, how about good old Spencer Rattler?

01:12:47I did not love Spencer Rattler through this whole draft process, but I think

01:12:51the best fit for him is new Orleans because he'll get an actual chance to

01:12:55first sit and develop and then play.

01:12:58Yeah.

01:12:59Yeah.

01:12:59I think it's a great location for him.

01:13:01That's kind of low pressure, but with actual opportunities and

01:13:05you got Chris Olave there.

01:13:06So you got, you know, an actual receiver to throw the ball to, I think it fixed

01:13:09the offensive line a little bit.

01:13:10You know, they got, their car has to be on that team for a

01:13:14little bit with this contract.

01:13:15So either Derek Carr was starting, or at some point the

01:13:18bluebirds are going to get loud enough.

01:13:19And Spencer Rattler is going to get an opportunity in here.

01:13:22If he looks even remotely decent in practice.

01:13:26So I thought that was the perfect landing spot for him.

01:13:28Yeah.

01:13:29I like it.

01:13:30I like it.

01:13:30Um, the one thing we just, we haven't mentioned was Chicago and

01:13:34Chicago has the number one pick, of course, but the fact that

01:13:37Chicago was able to pair the number one quarterback in the draft with,

01:13:43you know, obviously the third wide receiver in this, in this draft, but.

01:13:49A guy in Roma Dunzey that, you know, would have been wide receiver one

01:13:53in pretty much any other class in the last five years, maybe not above,

01:13:57maybe not above Jamar chase, but above pretty much everyone

01:14:00else in the last five years.

01:14:01Um, and so, you know, I just feel like doing that set, continuing to

01:14:08set your quarterback up for success.

01:14:11Like that's, those are the types of things that you have to do when you're

01:14:13drafting quarterback in the first round.

01:14:16And, and they just continued to do it over and over and over again.

01:14:19And so, um, you know, good on Chicago for doing that.

01:14:23And, uh, and I, I loved, I loved that.

01:14:28I like that.

01:14:29I think, uh, yeah, this was an interesting draft, a very

01:14:33interesting draft all around.

01:14:35Um, uh, yeah, the next, you know, once we get to August, I'm looking

01:14:40forward to hearing reports in some of these guys, because I'm sure that

01:14:43there's going to be this one player in that we didn't like category that

01:14:45ends up doing well, and we just totally whiffed on, there's going to be

01:14:48somebody in the, we'd like to category that ends up not doing well.

01:14:51Of course.

01:14:52Yeah.

01:14:53Yep.

01:14:54Of course.

01:14:54And that's, you know, that's the way it goes, right.

01:14:56Is that, um, you know, you always find those guys that, that we end up loving

01:15:03and then they work out or they don't work out or whatever the case may be.

01:15:06So, you know, it's all crap shoot.

01:15:08And again, so much of it depends on the player.

01:15:12So much of it, it depends on, you know, the, the situation

01:15:17and that outside factors too.

01:15:19It could be injuries could be whatever.

01:15:21So, uh, there's a lot of things that go into it.

01:15:24It's not just whether the player was good or not.

01:15:26And that's sometimes a sad thing is you feel like, okay, you know, Mac Jones

01:15:30gets drafted the Patriots and he has a really good rookie year and then

01:15:33he sucks the rest of the time.

01:15:34Well, what happens if Mac Jones gets drafted somewhere else?

01:15:37Is he ever good?

01:15:38You know what I mean?

01:15:39Or what happens if he gets drafted to San Francisco at three?

01:15:41Like, is he in Brock Purdy's shoes right now?

01:15:45And we're talking about him as a possible top 10 quarterback in the NFL.

01:15:48And you know what I mean?

01:15:49So those are the types of things where it's like, that makes so much

01:15:53different, that makes such a difference for you.

01:15:55And I think that that's one of the reasons why I love what the bears

01:15:59are doing with Caleb Williams, where they're trying to

01:16:00surround him with talent.

01:16:02Right.

01:16:02The fact that they draft, uh, uh, Amagashi in the third round, they go out

01:16:07and they, you know, traded for DJ more last year, they, they traded

01:16:10for Keenan Allen this year.

01:16:11They draft Roman, you know, they spend their first round draft pick

01:16:15on last year on Darnell.

01:16:16Right.

01:16:17You know, so they're building this offense around their quarterback.

01:16:20The Patriots did the same thing with Drake man, right.

01:16:23Where they're trying to build an offense around them.

01:16:25Jane Daniels gets drafted into Washington where they already have two good wide

01:16:28receivers set up already, right.

01:16:31And they go out and they draft, you know, other guys that

01:16:33can help him hopefully.

01:16:35Right.

01:16:35So it's, you're trying to set your young quarterbacks up for success, right?

01:16:39JJ McCarthy walks into a great situation in Minnesota, right.

01:16:43With a ton of talent on the offense, right?

01:16:46Bo Nix walks into to Denver.

01:16:49And like you say, they draft the guy form.

01:16:51They also have Courtland Sutton.

01:16:52They have some good players around him.

01:16:53Right.

01:16:54So you're trying to make it as good of a situation for your young

01:16:58quarterback as you possibly can.

01:17:01And that's one of those things that, you know, like, I think that the

01:17:04Patriots let down Matt Jones on, right.

01:17:07Not just the coaching, but also the players around him.

01:17:09And so I think, you know, you gotta set them up with, you gotta set

01:17:12them up for success and then hope that, you know, frankly luck breaks their way.

01:17:19Right.

01:17:19And then also that the guy puts in enough work and time to make

01:17:24himself an elite player as well.

01:17:25So I think, I think that does it, right.

01:17:29I think that does it for us.

01:17:30Um, tonight we are going to have, again, I mentioned this already, but we're

01:17:36going to have our guy Thorne.

01:17:39Yes.

01:17:39He gave the Patriots an F, uh, for his, for the draft.

01:17:44We're going to talk about, he's talked about it before he's mentioned it before,

01:17:47but I'm going to give him a chance to explain, um, how he does his grading system.

01:17:52I think one of the reasons why I love talking to Thor is because he's so

01:17:57interesting and he, the way he does it is so fascinating.

01:18:00He sticks with it and he's like, Hey, this is just the way it is.

01:18:03What do you want me to do?

01:18:04Um, and so, and so I liked the way he does that.

01:18:07And so we'll talk to him about that.

01:18:08We'll go through the draft.

01:18:10We'll go through the picks.

01:18:10And of course, you know, he's a, he's a Vikings fan.

01:18:13So we'll talk about his picks as well.

01:18:14Um, it should be a lot of fun.

01:18:16So that's Thursday night.

01:18:18So stick with us for that.

01:18:19Thank you for coming through again.

01:18:21Again, thank you.

01:18:21So can't thank you enough for, you know, your continued support through draft.

01:18:26Um, you know, through all of the draft, right.

01:18:31All of the mock drafts and the live mock drafts and the, this and that.

01:18:34It's great.

01:18:35Uh, it was a lot of fun, Matt.

01:18:36It was a blast.

01:18:37Um, hang with you.

01:18:39The, the amount of work, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, the amount

01:18:42of work that Matt did behind the scenes during Thursday night of the draft,

01:18:47the things that you didn't see was insane.

01:18:50And I would, you know, I was hitting the button and then calling up the

01:18:54did everything.

01:18:55And so, you know, it was, it was great.

01:18:57So thank you, Matt.

01:18:59Well, I'm lucky to be with you and, uh, and it's, it's, um, you

01:19:02know, it's, it's been a lot of fun.

01:19:04I appreciate it.

01:19:05Hey, you're the ultimate host.

01:19:06I just, I, I set it up.

01:19:08So it looks pretty, but you're the one that runs the show here.

01:19:11And, uh, that was, this has been a great draft season.

01:19:14Uh, yeah, that's funny.

01:19:16Now things get quiet.

01:19:17I guess they do.

01:19:18Now we get a bunch of quiet months.

01:19:20We'll get a little in May.

01:19:20We'll get a little in June.

01:19:22And then end of July is when we'll finally start to get some stuff.

01:19:25And, uh, not ready to wish away the whole summer quite just yet.

01:19:29Waiting for Drake May.

01:19:30It's not even May yet.

01:19:32So, um, but yeah, no, it's going to be, it's going to be fun to release.

01:19:36Can't wait for the schedule.

01:19:37At least already.

01:19:38Yeah.

01:19:39Okay. Let's see real quick.

01:19:40Any games on the schedule this year?

01:19:42Like that you've, you know, you're curious to see where they end up

01:19:45landing, what they do with them.

01:19:46I can't wait until I, the Chicago game is interesting and I have a vested

01:19:50interest in the Chicago game because I go to an away game every year.

01:19:54And that's more than likely going to be the game unless we like absolutely

01:19:59100% can't make it work because we want to see soldier field.

01:20:03Right.

01:20:04And you're talking about the number one pick possibly versus the number

01:20:08three pick if they make it late enough in the year, you got to think Drake

01:20:11may is probably going to be starting that game.

01:20:13So I liked the idea of that one is a lot of fun.

01:20:17Um, they're playing, uh, they play in Arizona.

01:20:20They play in Arizona this year too.

01:20:21Right?

01:20:22Like that's an interesting game.

01:20:24And so they're playing in Arizona, right?

01:20:25In Arizona.

01:20:26Yup.

01:20:27So they're playing in San Francisco there.

01:20:29Um, so there's some really good games that's going on.

01:20:33I think the charges at home, are they on the road?

01:20:38That is a good question.

01:20:39I think the charges are, I feel like the chargers are at home and then

01:20:43they play the Bengals on the road.

01:20:45That's how it's right.

01:20:46That's right.

01:20:47Yeah.

01:20:47I think, I think that that's since he won is what I'm a little bit intrigued

01:20:50about, uh, always intrigued to see about the divisional games, you know, uh,

01:20:54excited to see how many primetime games there are, uh, you know, New England

01:20:59has such a big fan base, big at primetime games, even when we aren't very good.

01:21:03There's, it's a reinvigoration now.

01:21:06I wouldn't be shocked to see, especially some late season primetime games

01:21:09because one Drake may could be starting by then and two, uh, those can be flexed.

01:21:14So if he isn't for the team, isn't good, they can still move them.

01:21:17Yeah.

01:21:18And Mike Reese also mentioned in there, a potential London

01:21:20game against Jacksonville.

01:21:22Oh, interesting.

01:21:24And that is an away game.

01:21:25So you wouldn't lose a home game Patriots fans.

01:21:28And I can't imagine they'd make the Patriots lose another

01:21:30home game two years in a row.

01:21:32I'd be surprised.

01:21:33No, no, no.

01:21:33That would be a brilliant.

01:21:34Yeah.

01:21:34I bet you.

01:21:35I'm, I also have my eyes on that bears one because I want to go to, I'd love

01:21:38to do a little podcast trip out there.

01:21:41I'm terrified that that just feels like a game.

01:21:43They're going to put it on a Thursday night in October, like

01:21:46that first week in November.

01:21:47I'll tell you what, man.

01:21:48I went to that Steelers Thursday night game Thursday night.

01:21:50Game's not that bad, man.

01:21:52We left Wednesday after, you know what I mean?

01:21:55Yeah.

01:21:55So that was, it's not, it's not like the worst thing ever, but that does

01:21:58like, that feels like the kind of game.

01:22:01Um, somebody lives in New York.

01:22:02I'm excited to see when the past jets game is, especially cause they like

01:22:06putting that one in primetime too.

01:22:08You know, even when those teams aren't good, they've done that.

01:22:10And yeah, we saw that we got the jets bills primetime game last year.

01:22:15And there was also a jets dolphins primetime issue game because that

01:22:19was, uh, that was black Friday game.

01:22:21You also saw the chiefs game was primetime, but the other divisional

01:22:24opponents have gotten a primetime game with the jets, the Patriots.

01:22:27Haven't now that it's a Drake may and Aaron Rogers is back.

01:22:30I would not be shocked.

01:22:31I think that's a candidate for Thursday night game as well.

01:22:34That's a great point.

01:22:35Yeah.

01:22:36Also Gerard mentioned that he thought they played the Seahawks.

01:22:38They do play the Seahawks at home.

01:22:40Yeah, that'll be at home at home.

01:22:44Yeah.

01:22:44And then Arizona and San Fran on the road.

01:22:47Cause they play the NFC west and then they play one team from the NFC

01:22:52North, uh, and that's the bears.

01:22:53That's why they're in Chicago.

01:22:55Yeah.

01:22:55And that's, they, um, what do you call it?

01:22:59Uh, what was I going to say?

01:23:01They, Oh yeah.

01:23:02A lot of times they put the NFC games like earlier in the season.

01:23:05Yeah.

01:23:05I wouldn't, I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, week one, they're in San Francisco.

01:23:09Like that.

01:23:10I don't think that I don't think would shock me or, you know, they're

01:23:13hosting Seattle in the week one or two, you know, they went out to Seattle

01:23:16for Sunday football week two in the cam Newton year.

01:23:19Yeah.

01:23:20Right.

01:23:20And they played, they played Arizona, uh, the 2016 opener.

01:23:24Yeah.

01:23:24Open up.

01:23:25We played the NFC west.

01:23:27So wait, 20 and then 2012 are week two was at home against Arizona.

01:23:32So when we played the NFC west, he missed that field goal, right?

01:23:34Yeah.

01:23:35And there was a holding call that wiped out the game winning touchdown.

01:23:38Right.

01:23:39Fun fact that actually, I think that might be the last Patriots game.

01:23:42I wasn't able to watch live because we didn't get that where I was interesting.

01:23:46So that might be the last Patriots game.

01:23:47I actually missed 20.

01:23:49Yeah, I missed, uh, I missed the saints game last year.

01:23:54Worked out well, but I missed the saints game last year.

01:23:56Um, uh, yeah, I was in your seats.

01:23:58That's right.

01:23:59Uh, home home, the home people, the home fans are going to get to see the Texans.

01:24:07They're going to get some good young quarterbacks, CJ Stroud, Anthony

01:24:12Richardson, I mean, you know, what's his name is old, uh, Stafford is old,

01:24:17but still the Rams, you know, Smith is old and Justin Herbert, but like CJ

01:24:21Stroud, obviously you get to see, you get to see Tua and Alan and you

01:24:26know, Rogers every year.

01:24:27So I guess Rogers, you don't, you didn't get to see last year.

01:24:29So you get to see him this game.

01:24:30Um, but you know, but to get Stroud Richardson and Herbert all in the

01:24:35same year is pretty cool.

01:24:36Uh, so, you know, that's pretty good.

01:24:38The road to, I mean, you play Kyler, you play Lawrence, you play, I don't

01:24:43know if we're going to include Brock Purdy in this category.

01:24:46Yeah.

01:24:46Well, even, uh, you know, we'll love us, you know what I mean?

01:24:50Arguably will love us is the worst quarterback.

01:24:53They're going to play all season, which is wild to think about.

01:24:56Yeah.

01:24:57They have a, they have a tough, they have a tough schedule, a tough schedule.

01:25:01Yes.

01:25:01It's right now we're in the Warren sharp, second hardest in the NFL.

01:25:07Cause they finished fourth, they finished last in the division, but it just so

01:25:10happens that the bears who ended up with the number one pick finished last in the

01:25:13NFC North and the charges finished last in the AFC West, you know, like, well,

01:25:17that's and the, and the Bengals.

01:25:20So it's like, you know, you didn't get any breaks last year.

01:25:22That's three, you know, if things break there, I don't, I don't know if I'd put

01:25:25the chargers in this category yet, but that's three potential playoff teams

01:25:29that they're going to be playing as their fourth place games.

01:25:33It's really, really the only team that I don't think, like, I'm pretty confident.

01:25:37Won't be at least someone good next year that they play as Tennessee.

01:25:40And even they have a good receiving court now.

01:25:42So, yeah, great point.

01:25:45It's a hard schedule.

01:25:46And I'll tell you, TJ is right.

01:25:47Like give us a really tough schedule, get us another top five pick and get us, you

01:25:52know, a dominant left tackle, right.

01:25:55A dominant left tackle.

01:25:56You can plug in and you start that guy from day one.

01:25:59And if you, you know, in the second round, if you take a line, another wide

01:26:03receiver or whatever, you know, or another corner or whatever the case may be, but.

01:26:08And then really solidify that offense to be ready to go for 2025 when Drake may,

01:26:14you know, really takes over from day one and it's his team and so on and so forth.

01:26:18And so, um, so anyways, but all right, let's get the heck out of here.

01:26:22We were, we've been, we've been going for about 10 minutes

01:26:24extra after we said goodbye already.

01:26:26So, um, but yes, a few things coming up in the next few weeks, we've got

01:26:30mini camp and so on and so forth, but we'll be back Thursday night with

01:26:34Thorne Istrom breaking down, have listened to what he has to say about

01:26:38the Patriots draft, um, and, and we'll go from there.

01:26:41So thanks very much guys.

01:26:42And we will talk to you on Thursday night.

LIVE: Patriots Draft Grades | Patriots Nation Podcast

Category

Transcript

Recommended