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00:00:10 What's going on everyone?

00:00:24 Taylor Giles here for CLNS Media coming at you with another episode of

00:00:27 Pats Daily brought to you by our good friends at Price Picks,

00:00:30 the exclusive daily fantasy partner of CLNS Media.

00:00:33 But more from them later.

00:00:34 For now, we have a lot of stuff that we learned at the NFL's annual league meetings.

00:00:40 Gerard Mayo spoke, Robert Kraft spoke.

00:00:42 We got a better idea of what they're thinking in terms of the third overall pick.

00:00:47 We found out that Gerard Mayo is very opening to trade it, although we also know

00:00:51 that Kraft would probably like a quarterback as would most of Pats Nation.

00:00:55 But we are gonna go through some potential trade scenarios.

00:00:58 So Patriots are open to listening to offers.

00:01:00 Obviously, we got the Vikings, but we're also gonna talk about some other ways

00:01:03 that Patriots can maybe stay in quarterback range and trade back in the first round.

00:01:07 Some ways they can accumulate more picks in the first couple rounds.

00:01:10 We're gonna go over all of those.

00:01:12 But first, before we get into all that fun stuff and

00:01:15 talk about some rule changes, everyone's favorite.

00:01:17 Alex, how you doing, buddy?

00:01:19 Good morning.

00:01:20 >> Good, good morning, Taylor.

00:01:21 How's it going?

00:01:21 >> It's going well, man.

00:01:23 I think this is the earliest I've ever done a show before.

00:01:25 So you are my cup of coffee in the morning.

00:01:27 I'm very excited for this.

00:01:29 >> Same to you.

00:01:31 >> All right, now let's start with, again, everyone's favorite rule changes.

00:01:35 So the NFL passed a few, honestly, I think relative to what we usually get.

00:01:39 There were some pretty good rules for the most part.

00:01:41 Although obviously, when these things happen, they tend to be pretty polarizing,

00:01:45 especially the first one I wanna talk about.

00:01:47 Now the hip drop tackle band.

00:01:49 It's not just the actual tackle, it's specifically the swivel technique

00:01:53 where players would sometimes fling their lower bodies underneath

00:01:56 bigger offensive players, try to stop for momentum and bring them down.

00:01:59 But obviously, led to multiple lower body injuries as Patriots fans know.

00:02:04 Romandre Stevenson suffered one late in the season and

00:02:06 it took him out with a high ankle sprain.

00:02:08 What did you think about that rule?

00:02:09 Cuz I felt like it was one that needed to be addressed in some capacity.

00:02:14 Cuz it feels like a very specific style of tackle that just is not worth

00:02:19 the effects that it actually had.

00:02:20 But I also understand defenders being kind of annoyed that this is just another

00:02:24 obstacle in the way of them doing their jobs.

00:02:26 >> And something like this, I default to the players.

00:02:28 None of the players, including offensive players, wanted to see it overruled.

00:02:31 And a big problem is when you make that kind of tackle, guys feet, ankles,

00:02:36 knees get stuck, play on grass.

00:02:39 And that wouldn't completely get rid of all the injuries.

00:02:42 But if the whole idea is we're doing this to cut down on injuries,

00:02:45 there's a very real tangible way to do that, that the players are all for,

00:02:50 that the owners won't do cuz it'll cost them a little bit more money.

00:02:54 Injury rates, especially in ACLs, are significantly higher on turf than grass.

00:02:59 That doesn't mean ACLs don't happen on grass.

00:03:02 But if it happens on four out of every 100 plays on turf and

00:03:08 two out of every 100 plays on grass, and you think about how many plays, and

00:03:12 those are, I don't know the actual number.

00:03:13 Those are arbitrary numbers off the top of my head.

00:03:15 But the idea is multiply that over the thousands and

00:03:18 thousands of plays we have over the course of a season.

00:03:21 How many injuries do you save if you go to all grass?

00:03:24 And they have the technology now to put grass in indoor buildings.

00:03:27 So that's not no longer an obstacle.

00:03:30 Yes, it's a little more expensive.

00:03:32 But if the whole idea is the owners wanna protect their investments and

00:03:34 the players, obviously we know the players don't wanna get hurt.

00:03:38 This seems like a win-win.

00:03:39 But instead, and let's call a hip drop tackles, there are other tackles.

00:03:44 You can't go high, and I understand why you can't go high.

00:03:47 That's a good rule.

00:03:49 You shouldn't be able to torpedo yourself into another player.

00:03:52 So I have no problem with that, but you can't go high.

00:03:54 Players don't want tacklers going too low,

00:03:58 cuz then there's a whole host injuries that come from that.

00:04:01 So now your options are either you got a shoulder tackle, which doesn't work.

00:04:06 It just I hate shoulder tackling.

00:04:08 It's guys trying to look flashy, doesn't work.

00:04:10 Or you have to truly be like the most technique form fitted tackler,

00:04:15 especially in a league where over the last ten years,

00:04:19 defensive players have gotten smaller.

00:04:21 You now have 210, 220 pound linebackers.

00:04:24 You have 180 pound corners.

00:04:26 And if I'm an NFL team, and I see this rule change, I'm going out.

00:04:31 I'm not drafting any players to carry the ball under 210 pounds.

00:04:37 I'm going out and getting me a bunch of high motor, leg turning,

00:04:41 physical mean mother effers that are not gonna go down.

00:04:44 Because you go and look, we're monitoring Stevenson, right?

00:04:47 >> Yeah. >> How is 180 pound corner,

00:04:49 if you can get Ramond Stevenson to the edge,

00:04:52 how is 180 pound corner supposed to tackle without using his own body weight?

00:04:57 >> Well, honestly, the only thing you really can do is rally to the football.

00:05:01 Like Jibril Pepper's got to mention it.

00:05:03 You look at guys like him, where Jibril did miss a few tackles last year.

00:05:06 But the defense was so good at swarming, you really didn't notice,

00:05:09 cuz there was always somebody who threw those guys down.

00:05:11 And that's true, the emphasis is more, but I understand also.

00:05:14 >> So, but here's the thing, how many yards is Ramond Stevenson gonna drag

00:05:18 the guy before everybody else gets there?

00:05:20 >> Enough to help the NFL with its scoring problem.

00:05:23 >> You just turn, what they just did is turned any ball carrier over 215 pounds

00:05:28 into Rob Gronkowski, assuming this rule is called.

00:05:31 I mean, we'll see.

00:05:31 Remember a couple years ago, they put in that stupid rule about ball carriers

00:05:34 couldn't lower their heads.

00:05:36 And everybody, we can't play football with this.

00:05:38 And then they just, I don't think that's ever been called.

00:05:40 So maybe this is one of those where they put it in and say they put it in and

00:05:43 they'll find players after the fact.

00:05:45 But if it's never gonna get called, then obviously it doesn't change anything.

00:05:49 If this is something you're actually gonna enforce, and

00:05:50 I don't really know how they enforce it.

00:05:52 But if this is something you're actually gonna enforce, I have no, again,

00:05:56 just go get me a bunch of like turners.

00:05:58 Go get me a bunch of AJ Dillons.

00:06:00 Go get me, you know, Quadzilla, guys like that.

00:06:03 Go get me a bunch of Laguerre Blount type players, or I don't wanna say like

00:06:07 Rob Bronkowski's, but those big physical tight ends.

00:06:10 And just let them run through the secondary all day,

00:06:12 cuz that's what they're gonna do.

00:06:13 >> Tip Raymond, baby.

00:06:15 No, but I mean, I understand.

00:06:17 It's the biggest thing with me is how this is actually gonna be enforced.

00:06:20 Like the rule again, I don't have a huge problem with the rule itself,

00:06:24 as long as it's just like, no, this is a blatant form of tackling that could

00:06:28 potentially injure somebody.

00:06:29 And again, it's easier said than done, because even on Twitter,

00:06:32 people aren't really sure what a hip drop tackle is, the swivel specifically.

00:06:36 So it's just gonna come down to how it's legislated and

00:06:38 whether this is gonna be something that really impacts the game in a negative way.

00:06:42 Like we've seen with a ton of rule changes, or if it's something where they

00:06:46 really are just trying to get a specific style out of the way,

00:06:48 we'll see what happens.

00:06:50 Now the kickoff rule, this is one that I feel like was generally well received.

00:06:54 We have some people who are obviously, you're never gonna please everyone.

00:06:57 But it seems like the vast majority of fans do actually like the rule.

00:07:01 I can go into detail about it.

00:07:02 I'll pull up the tweet cuz I definitely am not smart enough to break it down on my

00:07:06 own specifically.

00:07:08 All right, so actually I'll put this over and share the screen so

00:07:11 everybody can get an idea of what it actually looks like.

00:07:14 All right, so let me zoom in on this too.

00:07:16 Let's see, there we go.

00:07:18 All right, so for the kicking team, the 10 players cannot move until the ball hits

00:07:22 the ground or a player in the landing zone or the end zone.

00:07:25 So first, just to get an idea of what this actually looks like.

00:07:29 It's gonna be different because the idea here is to eliminate the violent

00:07:32 collisions that we're leading to just unsustainable number of concussions.

00:07:36 So actually, Alex, how well versed are you?

00:07:38 Can you break it down just by looking at this or should I pull up the rules?

00:07:41 >> No, yeah, I can explain that.

00:07:43 So it's the kicker's back where he was.

00:07:46 And I would encourage people to go watch the XFL,

00:07:51 go watch actual XFL kickoffs cuz it's, we'll get to that in a second.

00:07:55 But basically, so the rest of the kicking team is in that blue area.

00:07:58 Nine or ten members of the return team are in that yellow area.

00:08:02 So there's, and I think the kickoff, everybody has to be on the line.

00:08:06 So it's not really the 40 to the 45, it's everybody has to have a foot on the 40.

00:08:11 The return team, and this is where it's a little different from the XFL.

00:08:14 In the XFL, there was a 10 yard buffer and everybody was foot on the line.

00:08:20 The way the NFL is doing it, if I read it correctly,

00:08:22 is they just all have to be in that five yard window.

00:08:26 They could be anywhere in that five yard window.

00:08:28 So you get a five to ten yard buffer depending on where guys are standing.

00:08:31 I would think, and this is gonna be the fun part of this.

00:08:34 Teams are gonna experiment with this.

00:08:35 We're gonna see all these different things throughout camp,

00:08:37 throughout the preseason, into the regular season.

00:08:40 And we'll see what works, but

00:08:42 I would assume at least some teams are gonna stagger it.

00:08:44 I think there's value in staggering it between being at the 35 and

00:08:48 being all the way back at the 30.

00:08:50 You then have one or two returners back and what's that landing zone.

00:08:53 Now, note the landing zone does not include the end zone.

00:08:57 That is an important distinction here that I think some people have missed.

00:09:01 Once the ball is kicked off, nobody but the kicker and the returners can move.

00:09:06 And once the returners touch the ball or it hits the ground,

00:09:09 then everybody can move and it just becomes a scrimmage play.

00:09:12 But here's the thing, people are saying that this encourages more touchbacks.

00:09:15 It actually doesn't, unless you really, really, really know what you're doing.

00:09:20 If you kick the ball into the landing zone, it hits, it rolls into the end zone.

00:09:26 That's a 20 yard touchback.

00:09:27 So no more 25, the 25 yard touchback is gone, as I understand it.

00:09:32 If it hits the ground and it rolls into the end zone,

00:09:34 that's a 20 yard touchback.

00:09:35 If you kick it directly into the end zone and the returner doesn't run it out,

00:09:40 which I can't imagine they would in this situation, it's a 35 yard touchback.

00:09:44 So kicking the ball through the back of the end zone,

00:09:47 the offense starts at the 35.

00:09:49 Some people think teams will give that up, I don't know.

00:09:52 Maybe if you have Devin Hester back there, but

00:09:55 I don't think everybody's gonna give up.

00:09:58 That's compared to the old kickoff, that's an extra 10 yards.

00:10:01 You're essentially giving them an extra first down.

00:10:04 If you kick the ball out of bounds or short of the landing zone,

00:10:06 it goes to the 40.

00:10:07 So, and that's just like the old out of bounds where it'll go to the 40 yard line.

00:10:11 It's just if you come up short of the 20.

00:10:12 No more surprise onside kicks, that's the one casualty here.

00:10:17 I don't mind that there were only two in the last year.

00:10:20 If you wanna make an onside kick now you have to declare that.

00:10:22 It's only allowed in the fourth quarter in overtime.

00:10:24 One thing I thought I saw, like I saw it scrolling and I meant to bookmark it and

00:10:29 I didn't and I'm trying to find it.

00:10:32 The one thing I, if anybody can find it, send it to me.

00:10:35 So don't, I don't know this for sure, but I feel like I saw it.

00:10:38 The concession is, they're going back to the unbalanced kickoff.

00:10:42 So in the past you had to have five on one side, five on the other.

00:10:46 Now when it's an onside kick, you can do the overload.

00:10:48 So you can put, I think it's, I think you have to have at least three guys on each

00:10:52 side so that that gives you seven.

00:10:55 And so onside kicks now, even though there's no more surprise ones,

00:10:58 I think become if that's a thing, assuming I didn't imagine that.

00:11:03 Onside kicks actually become, there's gonna be a higher success rate on

00:11:06 onside kicks.

00:11:07 So I think that's a fair trade off because look,

00:11:09 the kickoff was gonna go away.

00:11:10 The play was dangerous.

00:11:11 There was no incentive to do it.

00:11:14 I really thought the lead was going to eliminate it and just say,

00:11:16 we're starting with the ball 25 and this is what it is now.

00:11:19 This gives us a kickoff and I would encourage people.

00:11:22 Yeah, I think people are going to hate this right away because it looks gimmicky.

00:11:27 It looks super gimmicky when you watch it.

00:11:29 I will fully admit that.

00:11:31 And I hated it at first when I was watching the XFL last year.

00:11:35 When you actually kind of get past that, once you've seen enough of them that

00:11:39 you're used to seeing that set up, it's super fun.

00:11:43 Because it's sort of mirrors the scrimmage play.

00:11:46 You can do stuff, especially if you have two returners back there.

00:11:49 There are teams that did end arounds.

00:11:51 There was a team that did kind of a version of a read option.

00:11:55 Where the guys in the setup zone essentially let one guy through and

00:11:58 the two returners read it.

00:11:59 There's a ton of goofy things you can do with this.

00:12:02 And I think that as it goes on, teams are gonna get more creative.

00:12:08 They're gonna find out more ways to kind of game the system with this and

00:12:11 the kickoffs exciting again.

00:12:13 At one point it was billed as the most exciting play in football.

00:12:15 That was years ago.

00:12:16 It was a lifetime ago.

00:12:18 But the kickoffs exciting again.

00:12:19 So I'm all for this.

00:12:20 It definitely changes the way you build your special teams units a bit.

00:12:23 I'll tell you this, getting Jalen Rager back at the price the Patriots did.

00:12:27 Outstanding Marcus Jones.

00:12:29 I'd put the two of them back there and run some stuff with them.

00:12:32 In terms of kickoff coverage guys, I think what you're gonna see more now is

00:12:37 there's gonna be more of a, on the kickoff,

00:12:40 there'd be offensive and defensive players on kickoff return.

00:12:42 There'd be offensive and defensive players.

00:12:44 Because kickoff is all about speed and kickoff returners all about brute force.

00:12:48 Now you need guys on your return team that can tackle in space.

00:12:51 So you're gonna see it be more linebackers and safeties.

00:12:55 I think, right, there's gonna be more for return outside of the returners.

00:13:00 Guys that are used to handling blocking assignments and

00:13:03 not just see a body hit a body.

00:13:05 And guys that can block on the run.

00:13:06 So you're gonna see tight ends.

00:13:07 You're gonna see bigger receivers.

00:13:09 You're gonna see maybe some of the more athletic tackles out there in that setup

00:13:12 zone.

00:13:13 Does that mean the end of specialists like Matthew Slater?

00:13:18 No, cuz I think there will be guys that come from college that, you know,

00:13:21 we're linebackers or safeties and well, so one, you still need them on the punt team.

00:13:24 You still need gunners on the punt team.

00:13:25 Right. Two, there will be guys that come from college who are linebackers or

00:13:29 safeties or whatever in college that maybe can't play linebacker safety at

00:13:34 the NFL level, but they're just really sure tacklers and that's what they are.

00:13:38 Those are the guys you're gonna look for here.

00:13:39 So I think there still will be defined specialists.

00:13:43 They'll just be less of them and the makeup of that player will change.

00:13:47 Matthew Slater would still have a role in something like this.

00:13:49 He's a really good tackler.

00:13:51 Speed doesn't matter as much and obviously he was fast, but it's tackling.

00:13:54 A guy like a Nate Ebner may not have as much of a role because he was more just go

00:14:00 down, hit a body and take somebody out where you're lined up 10 yards apart,

00:14:05 five yards apart, that whole massive collision isn't a part of it anymore.

00:14:09 >> Well, with the tight ends probably having a bigger role in this,

00:14:13 I know that Alex Seinfeld can be very happy about that.

00:14:16 But also, yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

00:14:17 Like there's also you can have more like man zone blocking assignments and

00:14:21 like, it's gonna kind of be a run play in some aspects.

00:14:24 We're just the way you kind of draw it up.

00:14:26 Obviously the most creative and innovative specialty and

00:14:28 coaches are gonna benefit from this a lot more quickly.

00:14:31 It's gonna be really frustrating for

00:14:32 the people who don't kind of really embrace this because you're gonna have to

00:14:35 deal with people who are kind of already ahead of the curve and trying new things.

00:14:39 So can't be stuck in your ways, but I mean, it's gonna be fun whenever we get

00:14:42 started to join the Springer and see how coaches actually feel about these rules.

00:14:46 Cuz right now, I mean, we're kind of just talking amongst ourselves.

00:14:48 We haven't got how coaches feel about it.

00:14:51 >> My understanding is the heavy majority of special teams coaches like this.

00:14:56 One, because it allows them to be creative, but mainly because if it's this or

00:15:02 taking the kickoff out of the game altogether, it's a no brainer.

00:15:05 >> Right.

00:15:06 >> What I would do if I'm the Patriots or any NFL team, I would go,

00:15:10 even as a consultant, maybe you don't put them on staff full time, but

00:15:13 I throw a guy a couple thousand bucks who was coaching in the XFL last year,

00:15:17 special teams, and say, can you come in and talk to us and let us pick your brain?

00:15:21 >> Yeah.

00:15:21 >> That's absolute, and their season starting this week,

00:15:25 I don't know how many of those guys are back on their staff or whatever.

00:15:29 But, or maybe you do it down the road, closer to camp.

00:15:33 That's the one other impact you're gonna see from this, and

00:15:35 people are gonna hate this, but I don't really care.

00:15:37 You're gonna see more time spent on kickoff and kickoff return at spring

00:15:43 practices and training camp this year than you have ever, because this is new.

00:15:47 And teams are gonna need to drill it, and they're gonna need to get it right.

00:15:50 So we are gonna see a lot of special teams,

00:15:52 a lot of kickoff practice at training camp.

00:15:57 I wanna bring this up.

00:15:58 One good block and it's a touchdown, yeah.

00:16:00 That's what kickoffs were for a long time.

00:16:04 That's what the play's supposed to be.

00:16:06 That's the thing.

00:16:07 People complain about that.

00:16:08 It's supposed to be an exciting play.

00:16:10 It's supposed to be potentially a game-changing play.

00:16:11 That reminds me of one more thing, in terms of personnel, fast kickers.

00:16:16 Fast kickers that can tackle.

00:16:18 Now the thing, cuz that guy still gets a running start.

00:16:21 That guy's coming in with a full head of steam.

00:16:23 Now, I watched a little bit of XFL teams doing it.

00:16:26 Some teams would use the kicker as the security blanket.

00:16:30 Some teams would just have the kicker essentially run up to like the 50 and

00:16:33 kinda hang out there in case the guy breaks through.

00:16:37 You still need a sure tackling kicker.

00:16:39 The other thing some teams would do again, cuz that guy has a head of speed,

00:16:42 they would send the kicker down.

00:16:44 And one guy from the initial coverage unit would go back and

00:16:47 essentially be replaced by the kicker.

00:16:49 So you already get into the strategy of it, but fast kickers, or

00:16:53 punters, I guess, whoever's handling your kickoffs.

00:16:55 Fast kickers or punters who you're not gonna get

00:16:59 Luke Keekly out there as your kicker tackling, but

00:17:04 who are capable tacklers can at least get their body in the way.

00:17:08 There's more value in that now.

00:17:11 It's not the be all end all, but

00:17:13 your kicker being able to make plays and coverage is now a factor.

00:17:18 It wasn't a factor, it really wasn't a factor before.

00:17:20 We always say if you let it get to the kicker, you already blew it.

00:17:23 You shouldn't be expecting to have the kicker make a play.

00:17:25 And that's still true to an extent.

00:17:27 But also, that guy now has a slightly different role where you can maybe take

00:17:32 advantage of it if your kicker does have some of those abilities.

00:17:36 >> And the kicker,

00:17:37 it's not really gonna be about just booming it out of the back of the end zone.

00:17:40 Now it's gonna be about hang time, it's gonna be about accuracy and

00:17:43 where you can actually place it.

00:17:44 So that's gonna be another thing.

00:17:45 A lot of the time we just see punters, like Bryce Berringer is the kickoff guy for

00:17:49 the Patriots cuz he's got a big leg.

00:17:51 But now it's gonna be interesting,

00:17:52 do you have to get guys who are more specialized, who, again,

00:17:55 are more accurate kickers rather than guys who just have strong legs?

00:17:58 So it's gonna be a lot of pretty significant differences.

00:18:01 But again, it's saving a play from the game that we were almost gonna get

00:18:05 legislated out.

00:18:06 So I think overall, it's gotta be seen as a win-win,

00:18:08 a rare win-win when we talk about some of these moves.

00:18:12 Two other ones I wanna go over really quickly, that again,

00:18:14 I think are actually positive changes that the Patriot,

00:18:17 positive changes the league is making.

00:18:19 Now, before roster cut down days, usually if you were placed on injured reserve

00:18:24 before final cuts, you're done for the season.

00:18:27 Now, teams can actually designate two players to return from injured reserve.

00:18:31 So think of an Isaiah Bolden, who had to miss the entire season because he was

00:18:34 probably gonna miss the beginning of the season.

00:18:37 They didn't wanna spend an entire roster spot on him.

00:18:39 Now, he and one other player in this situation would actually be able to come

00:18:43 back at some point during the season.

00:18:45 And also, Emergencies third quarterbacks can now come from the practice squad and

00:18:49 have unlimited elevations.

00:18:51 What did you think about those two as we tie it bow on rule changes?

00:18:54 >> It's just more players being involved, which is always good for everybody.

00:18:57 So I'm glad they capped it at two guys returning from IR.

00:19:01 You would have teams just placing everybody on IR, right?

00:19:05 And keeping everybody in.

00:19:07 That would be overkill.

00:19:08 But I think, and I'm sure this will grow at some point cuz the union sees it as

00:19:11 more players getting contracts.

00:19:13 But I think that's a fair rule.

00:19:15 I also think it's good that it's on players place on IR on cut down day,

00:19:20 not before.

00:19:21 >> Right. >> Because you still have that spot on

00:19:25 your 90.

00:19:26 He's still taking up a spot on the 90.

00:19:27 It's not essentially a free roster spot.

00:19:29 So I like that and the quarterback thing.

00:19:31 It's a shame for Malik Cunningham wasn't a year earlier cuz that's, I think,

00:19:34 what exactly what we all wanted to see from him.

00:19:36 But again, it's just more players getting involved, which is never a bad thing.

00:19:40 >> Always good thing.

00:19:41 All right, we are gonna dive into those trade scenarios we talked about earlier.

00:19:44 But first, quick word from our friends at prize picks.

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00:20:55 All right, let's get to some mock drafts.

00:20:59 So we're gonna go over a few different permutations of this.

00:21:02 Like I said, we wanna see what can happen.

00:21:04 Different ranges where the Patriots basically are just trying to stockpile on

00:21:07 early round picks.

00:21:08 The first one we're gonna look at is the Godfather offer.

00:21:11 All right, so this would be a trade with the Vikings where the Patriots acquire 11

00:21:15 and 23, but also get a first round pick next season and

00:21:19 a first round pick in 2026 as well as a future day two pick.

00:21:23 Alex, give us the context on this type of trade and why this is even on the table.

00:21:28 Cuz this seems like an obviously dream scenario, but

00:21:31 that's why they call it the Grandfather offer.

00:21:33 >> Yeah, this is if the Vikings wanna move up,

00:21:35 if Patriots look at what the Niners gave up to move up to third a couple years ago.

00:21:39 I think you're sitting there saying, why should we take any less than that?

00:21:42 And I know the pick didn't work out and people would say, well,

00:21:45 the Vikings don't wanna be like the Niners because that pick was a bust.

00:21:48 Fine, if they don't wanna be like the Niners, then they don't have to make

00:21:50 the trade, it's that simple.

00:21:52 So that to me is anything less than this would be a disappointment.

00:21:57 If they're moving at 12 or 11, if they're moving at six, right,

00:22:01 with the Giants, you're not gonna get three first round picks, but

00:22:03 you're also still have a top six pick.

00:22:06 Anything outside of the top ten to me, this is the baseline offer, baseline.

00:22:12 As in, I'm calling other teams and saying this offers on the table,

00:22:17 can you top it until the Vikings give me a reason to get off the phone.

00:22:21 >> I like that.

00:22:22 Now, when we did this before,

00:22:24 when we first heard about the Vikings getting the pick,

00:22:26 most of what we did early on was get Brock Bauer.

00:22:28 So we're gonna try to do something else different here.

00:22:30 Let me throw it up on the screen.

00:22:32 All right, how many rounds we think, just like five,

00:22:34 cuz we got a few of these ago?

00:22:36 >> Yeah.

00:22:37 >> All right, okay, so get the Vikings up here.

00:22:41 All right, so we're going for 11, 23, round one pick.

00:22:45 What would you go for third rounder or just hypothetically,

00:22:48 we can't go into 2026.

00:22:49 So how would you want this to work out from the-

00:22:52 >> Yeah, I guess we can't do it.

00:22:53 Just call it the future third with, yeah, that's three first round picks and

00:22:59 a future day two pick, yeah.

00:23:01 >> Yep, okay. >> So that's exactly what I said.

00:23:02 >> Hypothetically, we'd have also a 2026 first rounder.

00:23:05 >> Force the trade.

00:23:06 >> No, cuz we're getting the three.

00:23:08 Yeah, you're right, sorry, yeah, you're right, continue.

00:23:10 >> Okay, force trade, I'm not starting the draft first,

00:23:13 I'm doing it in the right order.

00:23:14 All right, so we got Brock Bauer's last time, but

00:23:18 it's looking like Olu Pasha who's probably gonna be available at this pick.

00:23:23 Now, I think we both like Troy Fautanu, but probably a little too early for him.

00:23:26 Are we comfortable taking Olu?

00:23:27 >> Yeah, he's one of the blue chip.

00:23:31 I'm guessing he's the, I didn't see who else fell there, but

00:23:33 it looks like he's the last blue chip.

00:23:35 Wait, wait, hang on, is Roma Dunze still there?

00:23:40 >> Yeah, he's right there.

00:23:46 >> I take Roma Dunze, look, I know they need a tackle and

00:23:50 the tackle class drops off a little bit.

00:23:51 But if you're doing this trade,

00:23:53 it means you don't truly believe in any of the quarterbacks in this draft.

00:23:56 That's just the reality of it.

00:23:57 And if we're working under that assumption,

00:24:01 I just think Roma Dunze is gonna be such a good NFL player.

00:24:05 I've talked about this where he maybe doesn't have the level of the carrying

00:24:10 trait that is Marvin Harrison Jr.'s route running or Malik Naber's explosiveness.

00:24:15 But tell me what Roma Dunze can't do.

00:24:17 Tell me what his flaw is, right?

00:24:20 He can make plays at all three levels of the field.

00:24:24 He can make plays from the slot.

00:24:25 He can make plays from the boundary.

00:24:26 He runs, I think, the most complete route tree of any wide receiver in this draft.

00:24:30 He's good after the catch.

00:24:31 He's good at the catch point, good hands, strong size, good athleticism.

00:24:35 He reminds me personally of a bigger Stefan Dix.

00:24:39 That's been my comp form.

00:24:41 I know some people have brought up DeAndre Hopkins, Larry Fitzgerald.

00:24:45 I think he's more explosive than those guys.

00:24:47 Again, he's not explosive like neighbors.

00:24:50 >> Right. >> But I just think he's a fantastic

00:24:54 player.

00:24:55 I'm sprinting the, I know they need a tackle, right?

00:24:58 And I know Olu's there.

00:24:59 And I think Olufsender's a really good tackle.

00:25:02 But to me, Roma Dunze's one class higher.

00:25:05 And we have another first round pick too, knowing that.

00:25:07 We'll see, there'll be a tackle there at 23 that I think can start day one.

00:25:12 Roma Dunze has, to me, all pro potential.

00:25:16 I would take Roma Dunze.

00:25:18 >> And how realistic does this actual draft so far look to you?

00:25:21 Cuz honestly, I could see the- >> He's a heck of a player.

00:25:24 >> I could see Rome flipping cuz- >> I mean,

00:25:26 somebody's gonna trade at some point.

00:25:28 Let's see.

00:25:29 I mean, neighbors over Harrison.

00:25:31 >> But either way, you could flip-flop that.

00:25:34 >> I don't know about the order.

00:25:36 I don't know about the order here.

00:25:37 But so the reason Roma Dunze's knocked down is because nobody took

00:25:43 receivers high, which is possible.

00:25:45 Teams could look at it and say, this class is so deep at receiver.

00:25:49 Well, wait, well, wait, you look at a team like, who's a good example here?

00:25:54 Well, I don't think the Falcons are taking Joel.

00:25:56 They'll take a defensive player.

00:25:58 >> Yeah. >> And-

00:25:59 >> You could flip the Titans, and

00:26:00 Titans would take Joel, and then you could say the Falcons would take-

00:26:03 >> Right, well- >> John Sterner.

00:26:04 >> Right, or the Falcons could be looking at a receiver.

00:26:07 The Bears could be looking at a receiver, but they might be sitting there and

00:26:10 saying, hey, this class drops off hard at tackle.

00:26:13 >> Yeah. >> After pick 50,

00:26:14 whereas we can still get good receivers on day two.

00:26:17 Sometimes a class is so good, it pushes all the players down.

00:26:21 >> Yeah, that's true.

00:26:22 >> It happens.

00:26:23 So look, if AD Mitchell had gone up there, or Brian Thomas had gone up there,

00:26:27 I tell you this is unrealistic.

00:26:29 Do I think this is the most realistic thing?

00:26:32 No, I think there's gonna be a team that values Roma Doonzay.

00:26:35 And most likely what would happen is a team trades up in front of the Giants,

00:26:38 takes another quarterback where the Cardinals or

00:26:40 Chargers are, and the Giants end up taking a Doonzay.

00:26:42 But if you tell me all these guys went before a Doonzay, however it looks,

00:26:47 I'd be like, yeah, okay.

00:26:49 The Bears, they wanted to make sure they protect Caleb Williams.

00:26:51 That makes sense, but that's priority.

00:26:54 The Falcons, they wanna make sure that they protect, I mean, again,

00:26:57 I think they'll take a defensive player.

00:26:58 But the Titans, they wanna get better protection for Will Levis.

00:27:00 They need a tackle, that makes sense.

00:27:02 So this is probably his floor.

00:27:06 And I know this is technically the Vikings pick, but

00:27:09 somebody will trade up with the Vikings.

00:27:11 I guess his floor is 12, cuz the Broncos would definitely take him.

00:27:14 But this is not the most out of the park permutation, no.

00:27:21 This is not when Jane Daniels was falling to 34 in the mocks a month ago.

00:27:27 >> Yeah, and he's just such a well-rounded player, like you already said.

00:27:30 There's not, I mean, yes, I think that tackle does fall off more significantly.

00:27:34 But when you talk about those true X receivers, and

00:27:36 especially one who's got versatility where he doesn't just have to play X.

00:27:39 Rome is one of the few just perfect fits in this draft.

00:27:42 So I think, yeah, I think that's fair, let's go Rome, 11.

00:27:46 All right, now let's see what we've got left.

00:27:48 So Tyler Dighton's really a right tackle, but he's gotten work at left tackle.

00:27:53 I believe teams believe he can play there.

00:27:54 He was used there at times during the senior bowl, but

00:27:59 also Brian Thomas Jr. And A.D. Mitchell are still there.

00:28:03 Now, A.D.'s come under, I don't wanna say fire, but people have been pointing out

00:28:06 recently how his effort comes into question, where he doesn't really go 100%

00:28:10 when the ball's not coming his way.

00:28:12 Obviously, the talent's there.

00:28:13 He's an absolute physical freak.

00:28:16 And when he's on, he's on, and one of the best receivers in this class.

00:28:20 So what are you thinking at this pick?

00:28:21 Do you wanna just get the tackle, or do you wanna get a pair of weapons?

00:28:24 >> No, you gotta take a tackle here.

00:28:25 You got, cuz you're not gonna, how are you gonna play Brian Thomas and

00:28:28 Roman Doomsday?

00:28:29 That's gonna be tough to get them both the snaps they need.

00:28:31 I really like Dighton.

00:28:32 I think Dighton has left tackle upside in the NFL.

00:28:35 If he's coached right, you're working with the Browns coaching staff,

00:28:39 former Browns coaching staff that's coached up those big guys.

00:28:42 I think he's really impressive.

00:28:43 Oklahoma also churns out tackles.

00:28:45 I'd put a little bit of weight on that.

00:28:46 I would take Dighton here.

00:28:47 >> All right, it was tempting.

00:28:49 I say it was tempting.

00:28:50 >> No, it's fair.

00:28:51 >> I don't disagree with the pick.

00:28:53 All right, so I think the Patriots, regardless of what they do,

00:28:56 we can pretend that they ignore quarterback.

00:28:58 But realistically, I don't think that's gonna happen.

00:29:00 I think they're gonna go, especially if they doubled it from the first round.

00:29:03 I feel like whoever's the best quarterback on the board goes off in

00:29:05 the second.

00:29:06 Would you say that's fair?

00:29:06 >> Probably.

00:29:08 I would also say this, though.

00:29:09 I think that if you pass on quarterback high,

00:29:15 cuz this is a team that seems to be very conscious of the messaging.

00:29:18 I think they understand, why did you half-ass quarterback?

00:29:21 I think those are questions they wonder about.

00:29:23 I think they may wanna build that complete roster.

00:29:25 What I would do here is I would look at A.D.

00:29:27 Mitchell, not A.D.

00:29:28 Mitchell, Jatavian Sanders.

00:29:30 >> Jatavian Sanders.

00:29:32 >> We just talked about how these big physical runners,

00:29:36 these elite athletes are going to be such weapons.

00:29:40 Now that you can't hip drop tackle, Jatavian Sanders is gonna run through defense.

00:29:45 And now you really, you talked about setting it up for quarterback.

00:29:49 I think you've done that.

00:29:49 >> But I would argue that you could get a tight end with a similar skill set,

00:29:55 maybe not as reliable.

00:29:57 Cuz you look at Eric Hall is one of the most talented guys on this list, but

00:30:00 I know he's got an injury history.

00:30:02 And a lot of these guys are more projects,

00:30:03 whereas Jatavian Sanders should probably contribute right away.

00:30:06 But past the second round, are Michael Pennish Jr.

00:30:10 And Spencer Rattler really gonna be, I think those are the only two guys who have

00:30:14 any shot of starting early on or being legitimate contributors

00:30:17 that are probably gonna be left.

00:30:18 I'll put them on the board to see who's left.

00:30:20 Yeah, so- >> But here's the thing,

00:30:21 if they wanted an early contributor, they wouldn't make the trade.

00:30:24 If they wanted an early contributor, let me say this,

00:30:26 they shouldn't make the trade.

00:30:27 They shouldn't trade down from three.

00:30:29 If they want a quarterback that can start year one, you take the guy.

00:30:33 >> I like year one, do you have any faith in any of these other guys

00:30:36 actually being starters at any point?

00:30:38 They're like Jordan Travis- >> Penix, Penix, that's it.

00:30:40 If Penix is still here at 34, I would take it.

00:30:42 >> I think Rattler's absolutely got starting upside, absolutely.

00:30:47 >> He's very small, that worries me.

00:30:49 >> Okay, I agree.

00:30:50 >> Small quarterback thing in the NFL has proven to, those guys can flash.

00:30:56 There will be games where they flash, but what is Kyler Murray one?

00:31:01 What is Baker Mayfield one when he's not throwing to two all pro receivers?

00:31:05 Look at the issues Bryce Young had last year and I get the roster wasn't great.

00:31:08 But again, the NFL seems to try, cuz teams are so-

00:31:14 >> Kyler Murray was good when he had like DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green.

00:31:18 I don't wanna act like Kyler Murray's not done anything.

00:31:20 His teams overall have just,

00:31:22 when has he ever had a good offense and defense at the same time?

00:31:25 I'm not- >> He's also struggled to stay on

00:31:27 the field.

00:31:29 I think teams get so worried about missing on the quarterback that they get

00:31:34 trait heavy.

00:31:36 They look too much at the traits and they lose sight of the big picture.

00:31:39 And I think that's why you saw this run, you've seen this run,

00:31:42 of teams trying to turn five foot 11, six foot quarterbacks into stars.

00:31:46 Look, Drew Brees did it.

00:31:47 Drew Brees did it.

00:31:49 But for every Drew Brees, how many Chase Daniels are there?

00:31:54 >> Yeah.

00:31:55 >> So it's just, Spencer Rattler's an interesting project.

00:32:00 I think if you draft Spencer Rattler, you bring him into camp,

00:32:04 you see what he can do.

00:32:05 And maybe he gets there, but I wouldn't say they came out,

00:32:09 you're not gonna not draft a quarterback next year because you drafted

00:32:12 Spencer Rattler.

00:32:13 >> Yeah, fair, okay, so without Rattler,

00:32:18 is Jatabian Sanders more valuable than a Michael Penix Jr.?

00:32:21 >> I don't think Penix will be here at this point, but no,

00:32:23 I would take, Penix to me is a year one starter and a guy who can make a difference.

00:32:28 >> So Penix over Sanders?

00:32:29 >> Yeah, I didn't think Penix was still here, I would take Penix, sir.

00:32:32 And you got, you're the Patriots, you got very, very, very lucky.

00:32:38 Very lucky that Michael Penix fell at 30.

00:32:40 >> We already got lucky with Rome, so why not just keep rolling the dice?

00:32:44 Ooh, do we wanna make it three Washington players?

00:32:47 Give Tyler Hughes something to get excited about.

00:32:49 >> This is where we've talked about this.

00:32:52 They have three big needs in the top 100, they've addressed them all.

00:32:54 This is where I go running back or defense.

00:32:57 >> Okay. >> This is where I double down.

00:32:58 And Taylor, we've talked about before, Tavon Dre sweat at 68.

00:33:01 If they really knock it out of the park at the top of the draft,

00:33:04 I love that pick.

00:33:05 I freaking love that pick.

00:33:06 >> I'm just honestly so curious,

00:33:07 considering they're looking at all these explosive guys.

00:33:10 I really do wonder if they would want a Tavon Dre sweat.

00:33:14 I understand the value, I'm just curious if he fits where they're trending,

00:33:17 you know what I'm saying?

00:33:18 >> Yeah, so if we're doing that, it's tough taking a running back in the top 100

00:33:23 with the backfield they have.

00:33:24 >> Especially cuz Isaac Durando's probably gonna be around in the fourth or

00:33:30 fifth round.

00:33:31 >> Right, so- >> What about Javon Baker?

00:33:38 How do you feel about Baker?

00:33:39 >> He's fine.

00:33:42 You already drafted Roma Doonz.

00:33:44 I think if you're gonna take a receiver, you're gonna take a true slot receiver.

00:33:47 I think you've got a bunch of slot receivers.

00:33:49 I feel like all their guys can play in the slot.

00:33:51 >> Or is Baker a Z or is he a true X?

00:33:54 >> I think Baker could be, I think he's versatile.

00:33:56 I think he's like an Xavier Leguette where you can really just put him anywhere.

00:33:59 But I think- >> Xavier Leguette's still on the board?

00:34:02 Xavier Leguette's still on the board?

00:34:04 >> I doubt it, yeah.

00:34:05 >> No, okay, sometimes he falls here.

00:34:07 Now Johnny Wilson's interesting.

00:34:09 Again, you're not allowed to use your body weight to tackle Johnny Wilson 66230.

00:34:13 >> That's fair, that is fair.

00:34:15 And then Malachi Corley too, he's another guy you could talk about there.

00:34:19 They're supposed to be meeting with him or going to his pro day or

00:34:22 something like that.

00:34:23 So we know they're interested.

00:34:24 Okay, so those are the receivers and then we-

00:34:26 >> Who's there at corner?

00:34:28 >> Corner, Max Melton, who I would be interested in.

00:34:30 >> On bigger corner, I- >> Kitchens?

00:34:34 >> Can Kitchens, yep.

00:34:36 Jeremiah Trotter, Jeremiah Trotter's another one of those players where I don't

00:34:39 know that they immediately need a linebacker, but he's just a hell of a player.

00:34:43 And there'll be a role for him.

00:34:44 He can be your passing down linebacker.

00:34:47 >> Yeah, but I feel like that's Martin Mapu as well, it's tough.

00:34:51 >> Well, they said, was it Mayo said the other day,

00:34:54 Mapu's gonna start working with the safeties.

00:34:56 >> But we know how they work.

00:34:57 He's a safety, but they use safeties in their dive package a linebacker.

00:35:00 So he's gonna be- >> But I'm saying,

00:35:01 can Jeremiah Trotter do what Mack Wilson did?

00:35:03 Cuz they had them both on the field at times.

00:35:05 >> Can he rush the passer?

00:35:06 He can probably sing more Trotter than I am.

00:35:08 >> Trotter?

00:35:10 >> Yeah.

00:35:10 >> Just saying, yeah.

00:35:12 >> He rush the passer?

00:35:13 >> Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's the best part of his game, but

00:35:17 he's a really instinctive player that I think he can get there.

00:35:21 You can move him around a lot.

00:35:22 >> Okay, all right, so do we want the versatile linebacker?

00:35:25 I like Renato Green as well.

00:35:27 He's one of my kind of binkies in the middle rounds if they go defense.

00:35:31 So okay, Green, Trotter, Kitchens, or Max Melton, who are you feeling?

00:35:35 >> I like Trotter cuz I haven't taken him in a single mock yet.

00:35:39 >> All right, let's do it.

00:35:42 >> Is there a fun pick?

00:35:43 >> Yeah.

00:35:45 >> Sione Vocky, do you think the fourth round's too rich for him?

00:35:48 >> No, that's actually probably about right, but who's there for

00:35:51 a tight end cuz we still didn't take a tight end.

00:35:53 >> Yeah, that's true.

00:35:53 Stover. >> Yeah, I take Cade Stover here.

00:35:56 I take Cade Stover.

00:35:57 >> What about Neil Johnson?

00:35:58 How do you feel about him?

00:35:59 >> We can probably wait on him.

00:36:01 He's not as polished as Stover, but him, Sinit, one of those three guys.

00:36:08 If you wanna actually, if you wanna take Vocky,

00:36:10 one of those other tight ends will probably fall to 137.

00:36:13 So, and then look, we got our safety and we got our running back.

00:36:17 >> That's true.

00:36:18 And all right, so, Christian Jones is there too.

00:36:20 All right, and we still got Ben Sinit.

00:36:22 >> Yeah.

00:36:23 >> Yeah. >> I would also consider

00:36:24 Garendo here, and maybe you just pass tight end off to next year.

00:36:28 Cuz again, Garendo, here's the thing.

00:36:32 I'm right now in the mindset of draft four hip drop being illegal.

00:36:36 Garendo's 220 ran a four three,

00:36:38 that's the exact kind of guy I'm looking at right now.

00:36:41 >> That's fair.

00:36:42 Also, you could get a guy like AJ Varner in the sixth.

00:36:44 >> Yeah.

00:36:45 >> All right. >> Yeah, like Garendo here, yeah.

00:36:47 >> All right, that's gonna wrap up the five round.

00:36:50 Let's see how we look.

00:36:51 We actually got Manny, there we go.

00:36:56 >> There you go.

00:36:57 >> All right, so we got Roma Dunze reuniting with Michael Penney Jr.,

00:37:00 Tyler Guyton switching over to the blind side in a full time role.

00:37:04 Jeremiah- >> Here's the thing,

00:37:05 I didn't think of this when we were doing it.

00:37:07 You can keep Tyler Guyton on the right side, kick Michael and win to win.

00:37:10 You got a whole mass of bodies over there protecting the blind side,

00:37:13 cuz we have a lefty quarterback.

00:37:15 >> And Gerard Mayo did say that on one who could play left tackle,

00:37:19 which I was pretty surprised.

00:37:20 >> Yeah, he should.

00:37:21 I just kind of was, Gerard Mayo said some things that I just think he said to say.

00:37:27 Cuz I think if you tell people everything's a possibility,

00:37:31 then nobody knows what's an actual possibility, right?

00:37:35 Saying nothing's an option and saying everything's an option is saying

00:37:37 the same thing.

00:37:38 But Guyton on the right side with Penix would certainly be interesting.

00:37:42 >> I do like that.

00:37:43 And then on defense, we got some guys who, I know Sione Vachie,

00:37:46 people say he can't really be a playmaker.

00:37:48 But I see a Jabril Peppers-Miles Bryant kind of hybrid defensively,

00:37:52 where he's got shorter arms, which kind of affects him.

00:37:56 You don't really want him in main coverage, but he's really good in zone.

00:37:58 He's a good tackler.

00:38:00 I feel like he flies to the ball.

00:38:02 I like his play diagnosis and his toughness.

00:38:04 And then Isaac Arendo, like you said, we're aiming towards guys that are gonna be

00:38:08 very difficult to tackle because the hip drop swivel rule, so I like that draft.

00:38:12 >> I'll say this on Vachie too, he'd be very valuable in the new kickoff rules.

00:38:17 I think he would be an incredibly interesting player to use.

00:38:21 Yeah, every time I do the mock now, cuz this is how I do mocks.

00:38:24 It's like what's the news of the day that I'm reacting to.

00:38:26 So all the mocks I've been working on the last day or

00:38:30 two have been in relation to the rule changes.

00:38:33 >> Yeah, we got a question.

00:38:35 All right, first, thank you so much, EJ.

00:38:37 After the speed trade, what's Higgins trade value?

00:38:39 If AD Kingsley or Leggett aren't there at 34,

00:38:42 would you trade down to maximize value, then trade for T?

00:38:45 What are you thinking?

00:38:45 >> I think it's one or the other.

00:38:48 I think you need 34 to get Higgins.

00:38:49 You either trade 34 for Higgins or you trade down.

00:38:52 And if look, if none of those guys are there and you wanna trade 34 for

00:38:55 Higgins on draft night, I've said I'm all for that.

00:38:57 I'm on record as saying I would trade 34 pick for T Higgins.

00:39:01 Sneed plays a different position.

00:39:02 I don't think it impacts Higgins value a ton.

00:39:07 Maybe the initial report was a late first or early second.

00:39:11 Now maybe you're looking more early second than late first.

00:39:16 >> Yeah.

00:39:17 >> Realistically, unless the chiefs get desperate or somebody like that, and

00:39:21 now they have an extra pick.

00:39:22 But you're not trading down and trading for T Higgins.

00:39:28 I don't think that's, I mean, maybe you trade down and in July,

00:39:31 a completely separate trade happens where you trade next year's second for

00:39:35 T Higgins, but I don't think the two are related.

00:39:38 >> Agreed, all right, now moving on to another premutation of our mock draft.

00:39:43 We're gonna stay in quarterback range.

00:39:46 So we're gonna go down to six for 47 and a future first round pick.

00:39:50 So we still get that extra first rounder, but

00:39:53 we're not getting a pair of first round picks.

00:39:56 So we're gonna do another five round mock.

00:39:59 All right, so this is gonna be with the Giants.

00:40:01 So 47.

00:40:02 >> Yeah, who has made this trade before?

00:40:05 >> Right, well, they're gonna act like we can't, but we're gonna say that we can.

00:40:08 Does this look good to you?

00:40:09 >> Yeah.

00:40:10 >> All right, I like to double check, cuz I'm quite forgetful.

00:40:14 All right, so we're at six.

00:40:15 Now we're staying in quarterback range.

00:40:18 >> And by the way, if you notice, this time Roma Dunes, they go fifth, so.

00:40:21 >> There we go, yeah, which honestly seems like that's.

00:40:25 Wait a minute, where the hell is Marvin Harrison Jr.

00:40:30 >> I mean, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you do that.

00:40:33 I know you said trade down for quarterback, but I'll say this again, and

00:40:37 I've been very staunch on this.

00:40:39 If you truly believe in the quarterback, you do not trade down, you don't.

00:40:45 Because what would happen here,

00:40:46 Harrison falling to six in this scenario is very realistic.

00:40:49 Cuz I'll tell you exactly what happens if the Patriots move from three to six,

00:40:53 thinking they're clever enough to get JJ McCarthy if they like him.

00:40:56 The Vikings are gonna give up a haul for five, or

00:40:59 the Broncos are gonna give up a haul for five, or the Raiders or the Saints.

00:41:04 All you are doing is helping the Chargers accumulate more picks.

00:41:09 All you're doing is helping Jim Harbaugh's stupid agenda.

00:41:11 Have you seen the conspiracy theory that's out there that the reason Harbaugh's

00:41:16 pumping McCarthy's tires so much is because he knows that if and

00:41:20 when McCarthy goes forth, it hand delivers him Marvin Harrison Jr.

00:41:24 >> And that's why he's telling everybody under the sun that JJ McCarthy

00:41:30 is this quarterback savior, which I kind of believe,

00:41:35 not the quarterback savior part, the Harbaugh nut job part.

00:41:38 >> [LAUGH] >> But this is essentially what that is.

00:41:42 It just, it threw Roma Dunzey in there, the simulator did.

00:41:47 >> I mean, I feel like you get an elite receiver regardless,

00:41:52 like those three guys, I think Dunzey's probably right outside of their tier.

00:41:57 But any of those three, I feel like you'd be pretty happy with,

00:42:00 because those are day one starters who are gonna be playing for you.

00:42:03 So yep, all right, Marvin Harrison Jr.

00:42:05 >> And by the way, Harbaugh's not that smart, but he is that crazy.

00:42:08 >> It's a fine line, it's very, yeah.

00:42:12 >> [LAUGH] >> All right, so, wait, right, forgot,

00:42:16 we didn't get an extra first round pick.

00:42:17 All right, so who are we going with now?

00:42:19 Are we going with- >> Well, I mean,

00:42:21 if Penix fell, you take Penix.

00:42:23 I don't know if you don't wanna repeat, but if Penix is there at 34,

00:42:26 you take Penix at 34.

00:42:27 I don't think it's realistic, but again, if he's there, you take him.

00:42:29 >> Do we wanna see what else is out there?

00:42:32 Maybe something that we feel better about?

00:42:34 >> I think you've gotten an elite tier receiver and an elite tier quarterback.

00:42:37 >> How do you feel about Jordan Morgan?

00:42:40 >> Guard, I think he's a guard.

00:42:42 The arm length worries me.

00:42:45 >> You gotta remember, we also have another pick in 13 picks.

00:42:47 We have another pick in 13 picks.

00:42:51 >> That's true, all right, just to secure one.

00:42:52 >> We're not waiting till 68, right?

00:42:53 So this is where now you go to the tackles and-

00:42:57 >> [INAUDIBLE]

00:42:59 >> Yeah, probably.

00:43:00 >> Yeah, it seems like a good pick, all right.

00:43:02 >> I still think Patrick Paul should go higher, but

00:43:05 I think I'm in the minority on that, so I'll-

00:43:06 >> I feel like he's gonna be a third

00:43:07 rounder just cuz he's not ready to, I mean, none of them are really ready to play yet.

00:43:10 >> Right.

00:43:11 >> All right, so we've hit the big three spots.

00:43:14 Now, where do we wanna go with who's left?

00:43:18 >> I mean, this is the same spot we were in, right?

00:43:20 We just did this.

00:43:21 I mean, this is the same draft we just did.

00:43:24 The only difference is we have a slightly worse tackle and

00:43:28 different top tier receiver, that's it.

00:43:32 >> How do we feel about Gabe Murphy?

00:43:33 >> I don't know much about Gabe Murphy, honestly.

00:43:37 >> He's really talented.

00:43:38 I think he's still very raw.

00:43:41 He's inconsistent, kinda like his awareness sometimes,

00:43:44 like I was watching him against Oregon State.

00:43:46 He flies up the field a little too quick, but the tools are definitely there.

00:43:49 He's a scheme versatile, you can line him up, up and down the formation.

00:43:52 I think he's interesting, but I think there's probably guys who can contribute

00:43:56 maybe earlier on to be more consistent.

00:43:58 But then again, I mean, at this range, we're also kinda trying to draft-

00:44:01 >> So I'll say this, and

00:44:03 I kinda pitched this before, but I'm a big fan of the idea of

00:44:09 diversifying your receivers, and what I mean by that is, can you get in base 11,

00:44:13 three guys who are all very different players, and

00:44:16 basically force teams to be coverage versatile.

00:44:21 So we now have, so the three main kind of receivers, right?

00:44:27 Speed receiver, crafty receiver, big receiver.

00:44:30 That's gross oversimplification, but I'd say 99%, and

00:44:33 then the fourth kind would be like the Debo Samuel gadget player.

00:44:36 But we now have a route runner in Harrison, we now have our quick guy,

00:44:42 we have our jitterbug in Pop Douglas.

00:44:44 So let's go get the biggest receiver on the board in John Wilson,

00:44:51 and cuz just stylistically, it's very difficult.

00:44:55 How many teams have the personnel to cover all three of those players?

00:44:58 You have to get very creative in how you scheme it up, and

00:45:00 this is putting a lot on Alex Van Pelt's plate.

00:45:03 I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

00:45:05 How many teams have the personnel to cover 66230,

00:45:09 59180 with basically like a 4340, and

00:45:12 a guy who will be a top ten route runner in the league?

00:45:16 How many teams have the skills all around to cover that?

00:45:19 I think that's asking a lot of a defense.

00:45:22 So, and honestly, that's kind of what Michael Penix had at Washington, right?

00:45:28 He had, was like the big downfield guy.

00:45:32 McMillan was the burst, and Oduonze was the size and kind of the route runner.

00:45:37 >> [LAUGH] >> So you're building it up for,

00:45:41 a guy like Wilson can do super well with a guy like Penix too.

00:45:44 I'm talking myself into this.

00:45:45 >> Yeah, I will say, I think Keon Coleman's more that true big,

00:45:50 like Johnny Wilson is just so big like that.

00:45:52 I'm not gonna say he's, I don't think he plays to his size as much as you'd

00:45:56 expect of a guy who's that big, but at the same time-

00:45:58 >> Johnny Wilson, no, sorry,

00:46:00 you were about to say what I was gonna say, continue.

00:46:02 >> Yeah, no, but I do think that, I mean, we talked about route runner.

00:46:05 I honestly feel like he's also that kind of guy, where he's smooth.

00:46:10 I think he's gonna get more separation than maybe like a Keon Coleman would.

00:46:13 Doesn't have that true, like just throat, like a pulpy throat up to him, and

00:46:17 he's just gonna dominate.

00:46:18 I don't think he's that guy, but still, that size and catch radius, regardless,

00:46:21 is gonna be tough to contend with, especially if he's already getting himself

00:46:24 open.

00:46:25 >> Johnny Wilson's super weird, because everything that big receivers are

00:46:30 traditionally good at, he's bad at.

00:46:32 And everything small receivers are traditionally good at, he's good at.

00:46:36 Take Wes Welker, make him 6'6", 230 pounds, and make him afraid of contact.

00:46:40 And that's Johnny Wilson.

00:46:42 He's a really good route runner.

00:46:44 He's a really good route runner.

00:46:46 He's got speed, he can separate, he's got a burst.

00:46:49 The catch radius is good.

00:46:51 His hands themselves aren't great, and he doesn't take contact great.

00:46:54 So it's this really weird thing where he's not the player you'd expect him to be.

00:46:58 But that doesn't necessarily make him a bad player.

00:47:00 A 6'6" guy that can cut on a dime still has value, even if he's not gonna go up and

00:47:05 win above the rim.

00:47:06 He's just not gonna do what you expect him to do.

00:47:09 So yeah, I like Johnny Wilson here, I think because the way we've done it.

00:47:12 I wouldn't love it if Johnny Wilson was their only receiver pick, because there's a ton

00:47:18 of variance with him.

00:47:19 He could end up being an all pro, he could end up being out of the league in two years.

00:47:23 He's gonna come down to whatever team drafts him has to have a very specific plan for him.

00:47:27 You can't just be like, "Oh, we did this with this receiver, so we're just gonna do the

00:47:31 same development plan for Johnny Wilson."

00:47:33 No.

00:47:34 He's a unicorn, he's a one-on-one.

00:47:35 But we have Marvin Harrison, right?

00:47:38 We're good there.

00:47:39 Let's double down and get Johnny Wilson, because if we hit on him, now we're really rolling.

00:47:44 That's a really interesting receiving, Corey, especially if someone like Tyquan Thornton

00:47:47 actually does emerge.

00:47:49 Because then you've got another true burner deep threat who can line up outside-

00:47:52 Or Jalen Rager.

00:47:54 Or Jalen Rager, yeah.

00:47:55 I really like the diversity in that receiver.

00:47:59 This is a little bit of mad scientist dipping into the lab, but whatever, let's have some

00:48:03 fun with it.

00:48:04 All right, I'm gonna pitch a pick here.

00:48:05 I don't know how you're gonna feel about it.

00:48:07 I talked about mean MFers, that you know, quote, "Alan Roberts run through an MFers

00:48:12 face."

00:48:13 Ray Davis don't go down, man.

00:48:14 Yeah, I had a feeling-

00:48:15 Ray Davis does not go down.

00:48:18 He's so fun to watch.

00:48:20 Definitely some shades of Kevin Harris, Damian Harris, that kind of just SEC nasty, eat it

00:48:25 up running back.

00:48:27 This may be a little early for him, but we've had a great draft.

00:48:30 I do also really like Marshawn Lloyd.

00:48:32 I'm seeing he's there.

00:48:33 I think he's a more well-rounded back.

00:48:35 There's a ton of fun players here.

00:48:36 Dwayne Carter I really like, if we want to go defense.

00:48:39 Chris Abrams-Drain, who they-

00:48:41 Oh, hang on.

00:48:43 Yeah, I'm a sucker for people who don't know.

00:48:46 And there's not as many guys in this draft like this, so I haven't talked about it as

00:48:49 much, but last couple of years has been a bunch.

00:48:51 Taylor, I'm a sucker for corners who are converted receivers.

00:48:55 I love that because the ball skills are impeccable.

00:49:00 They're always elite athletes.

00:49:02 It's just a matter of getting reps.

00:49:04 That's a huge part of the reason I was so high on Tyreek Woolen that year was because,

00:49:08 you know, converted receiver.

00:49:09 And I had Abrams-Drain circled for the Patriots last year.

00:49:12 He went back to school, which was kind of surprising.

00:49:14 He was supposed to be a top 50 pick last year.

00:49:16 Had a bit of a down year this year, as Missouri did.

00:49:19 But I love his makeup.

00:49:22 I freaking love his makeup.

00:49:23 I think he's going to be a top 100 pick.

00:49:25 So I guess this isn't that much of a stretch, 103.

00:49:28 But yeah, if you can grab-

00:49:29 He's got that Jack- like, other than the off-field stuff.

00:49:33 I like doing that converts, and people were like, "But he's fine off-field."

00:49:35 Like, yeah, okay, I clearly meant everything else.

00:49:38 The wide receiver background, the way that you can tell guys are receivers when it's

00:49:41 very easy for them to transition and start looking for the ball.

00:49:44 Where, like, they know, "Okay, I'm in the hip," or "I'm in good position."

00:49:47 They turn around, they find it easily, they don't lose track of their targets.

00:49:50 I love that from him.

00:49:51 He is, like, very slightly framed.

00:49:53 Again, it's that Jack Jones thing where he's very competitive as a tackler.

00:49:57 Like, he's not going to shy away, but sometimes you'll see him just kind of throw a shoulder

00:50:00 out there.

00:50:01 And it's- you get kind of worried.

00:50:02 He can be handled a bit in run defense.

00:50:05 And like, guys are going to be able to work through him, I think.

00:50:07 But at the same time, he's got legit ball skills.

00:50:10 I don't think he's as diverse in terms of his coverage technique as Jack Jones, but

00:50:14 like you said, that's why he's probably going to go to the fourth.

00:50:17 Because there's a lot of tools there.

00:50:18 And he's already a pretty good player, but you're going to have to just continue to develop

00:50:22 him.

00:50:23 Maybe not use him in every down roll.

00:50:24 But if you're talking about, like, a Miles Bryant replacement or just somebody else in

00:50:27 that cornerback room, especially with ball skills where we know that creating turnovers

00:50:30 was an issue for them, I like him here.

00:50:33 I like him here.

00:50:34 So, there's an old baseball scouting philosophy that's, you know, the time to run a first.

00:50:39 If it takes two guys four seconds, I forget what the actual time is, but if it takes two

00:50:43 guys four seconds to run to first base and one guy does it with perfect form and the

00:50:48 other guy does it with bad form, which guy do you draft?

00:50:53 Guy with bad form because he's going to get better.

00:50:55 Because they both had the same time, but the guy with bad form has more room to improve.

00:51:00 That's these player position converts.

00:51:05 Because Chris Abrams train has only been playing corner for two years and he's up here in draft

00:51:11 projection and in production and ability with guys who have been playing that position.

00:51:16 Some of them, you know, 10, 15 year, their whole lives.

00:51:18 So in a Cade Stover's here too.

00:51:20 He's another one.

00:51:21 He's a converted defensive end.

00:51:22 I said this about Keon white last year.

00:51:24 I don't think you want to make a team of player conversions because there's, there's inherently

00:51:28 more risk with them.

00:51:29 Their floor is much lower, but I do.

00:51:32 The Patriots generally have one or two of these guys every year, either in the draft

00:51:35 class was UDF phase and, and Chris Abrams train again, as a guy that he's only playing

00:51:40 corner.

00:51:41 I think it's three years now.

00:51:42 Look how much he's picked up.

00:51:43 Look how good he's gotten three years.

00:51:46 What's he going to be if he continues on this path in another three years.

00:51:50 So this is the early fourth round.

00:51:52 Perfect time to kind of gamble on a guy like that.

00:51:54 Yeah.

00:51:55 I love that pick here.

00:51:56 Let's do it.

00:51:57 All right.

00:51:59 One more pick.

00:52:00 Maybe we get a running back.

00:52:01 We already got Isaac.

00:52:02 I know, but well, Braylon Allen's there.

00:52:07 Braylon Allen was running backs.

00:52:10 What?

00:52:11 I don't know much about him.

00:52:12 Fill me in.

00:52:13 Uh, you ever seen a Wisconsin running back?

00:52:15 Not named James, not named James white.

00:52:17 Ah, yes.

00:52:18 Jonathan.

00:52:19 Yeah.

00:52:20 Okay.

00:52:21 Yeah.

00:52:22 Uh, you ever seen Melvin Gordon?

00:52:23 You ever seen Jonathan Taylor?

00:52:24 You ever seen Todd?

00:52:25 No, Todd Gurley was Georgia.

00:52:26 I'm missing one.

00:52:27 Uh, I'm missing a big one, but, uh, hang on.

00:52:30 I'm going to feel bad.

00:52:32 Jonathan, you ever seen a, Oh, Monty balls.

00:52:35 Who I'm thinking of.

00:52:36 You ever seen Monty ball?

00:52:37 Ron Dane back in the day.

00:52:39 Uh, Braylon Allen, six one two 35, just mauler.

00:52:46 Great ball security, um, runs with great effort.

00:52:50 You can block.

00:52:51 He's not afraid of contact.

00:52:53 Yeah.

00:52:54 Again, I just, I just, he's down here cause Wisconsin tried throwing the ball this year,

00:52:59 which is weird.

00:53:00 Um, he's a really good running back.

00:53:02 All right.

00:53:03 So him over Ben Senate, we're going running back at the end twice in a row.

00:53:08 Yeah.

00:53:09 Yeah.

00:53:10 Again, these tight ends keep falling and they're, they're good at tight end right now.

00:53:13 Like you, you add this guy's, the goal line option was Stevenson and, um, uh, and you

00:53:21 have a very complete, we talked about the complete wide receiver core, right?

00:53:24 You now have the complete backfield.

00:53:26 And also the lobby train died down.

00:53:28 Yeah.

00:53:29 Mostly just because of Antonio Gibson, they have very similar strengths.

00:53:33 So yeah, I love lobby, but it would feel like kind of a wasted thick if he was like, even

00:53:37 in the fifth round, considering you could plug holes elsewhere.

00:53:39 Yeah.

00:53:40 All right.

00:53:41 Braylon Allen.

00:53:42 Let's see what it looks like.

00:53:45 It's going to hate that pick.

00:53:46 Cause we took it running back, but it actually got a B. It was only Chris Abrams.

00:53:50 Drain was the only one that that's the, that's the most like in terms of value, that's the

00:53:54 best value pick.

00:53:55 Well, Harrison is six, but yeah.

00:53:57 That's why we do not try to appease the computer.

00:54:01 We appease ourselves.

00:54:02 No, I, that's why I always block the PFF grades.

00:54:04 Cause you guys use them as the be all end all and you guys, the listeners and like learn

00:54:08 players yourselves.

00:54:09 The whole point is exercise.

00:54:10 All right.

00:54:11 Now we're going to go through one more permutation.

00:54:14 This time the goal is to trade back into the first round after we've already made our first

00:54:19 round selection.

00:54:21 This would be more of the Patriots decide they want to get a quarterback.

00:54:23 And then they ultimately say, you know, we want to get a tackle or a wide receiver.

00:54:27 Which is available still in the first round.

00:54:29 So let's do another mock here.

00:54:33 Five rounds.

00:54:34 All right.

00:54:35 So who are we trading with?

00:54:38 I, I, I sell like the bucks for this.

00:54:42 They need more picks.

00:54:44 They they're, they're cap situations and mass.

00:54:46 I know we've talked about the Packers, the Packers of two seconds.

00:54:49 There's very little incentive as much as we've joked about like, Oh, you know, the Packers

00:54:53 and Elliot Wolf making that trade.

00:54:54 There's very little incentive for the Packers to make a trade like this.

00:54:57 The bucks need assets.

00:54:59 They need affordable players, especially after giving Baker that contract.

00:55:02 So I look at the box, hang on, I'll pull the order up.

00:55:06 There's this one you should do in the draft.

00:55:08 Like we just reduce the speed and then pick, or should we do it before?

00:55:11 Well, I mean, it depends when we want to, we're targeting a receiver, right?

00:55:15 We could do that.

00:55:16 But yeah, I look at, I look at the box.

00:55:19 I look at, I mean, the bills make sense, but they're not going to give the Patriots first

00:55:21 round pick.

00:55:24 The bucks in the Ravens are the two teams I look at that make the most sense here.

00:55:28 Although with the Ravens, you can do a slightly different trade.

00:55:30 If we're going up this high, it's the, it's the, uh, bucks where the Ravens, uh, it's

00:55:36 Ravens are lower.

00:55:37 Can we get any higher?

00:55:38 You think?

00:55:39 Um, I think you get any higher than this.

00:55:42 You're talking about doing the Kyle Duggar trade, or it's a second and third instead

00:55:45 of a second, fourth and sixth.

00:55:47 Okay.

00:55:48 What would you feel more comfortable with?

00:55:51 I think that I don't want to, they need to make three top 100 picks.

00:55:55 Yeah.

00:55:56 All right.

00:55:57 So are we good with this offer?

00:56:00 All right.

00:56:02 Thank you.

00:56:04 Okay.

00:56:05 Now let's start our draft.

00:56:07 Get our quarterback, Jaden Daniels.

00:56:10 Yes.

00:56:11 Jaden Daniels.

00:56:12 All right.

00:56:13 We're back, baby.

00:56:14 Who's on the board?

00:56:15 Pirate Murphy, man.

00:56:16 I wish he didn't have so many holes.

00:56:17 Oh, that's so annoying.

00:56:18 All right.

00:56:19 So who's there for receiver?

00:56:20 Who's there for tackle?

00:56:21 Yes.

00:56:22 I feel like in all these Sims, the tackles go high.

00:56:26 It's always 80 Mitchell and you never get a guy like Latham falling or you never get

00:56:30 a guy like a Marius Mims falling.

00:56:31 So this is the permutation we always have to do.

00:56:34 I'd say take Mitchell.

00:56:35 I think Mitchell's a clear class above everybody else who's on the board at this point.

00:56:39 But man, I, I, I like a Marius Mims, JC Latham, uh, fought now from Washington.

00:56:47 Larry fought now these guys could just as well.

00:56:50 We talked about before how the run on, you know, it being such a deep receiver class

00:56:54 could push receivers down the board.

00:56:56 If that doesn't happen, Tyler Guyton is another.

00:56:59 I think, didn't we just get Tyler Guyton?

00:57:01 I'm like, Oh no, we got him at 23.

00:57:05 Whether it's Tyler Guyton, whether it's fought now, whether it's it's Mims or Latham, like

00:57:09 there's a chance one of these tackles falls to 23 too, but it seems like in PFF it's,

00:57:13 it's just always 80 Mitchell.

00:57:14 He's always the odd man out here.

00:57:16 Yeah.

00:57:17 I honestly, considering how much hype Xavier Liggett's getting and the fact that I know

00:57:22 Bill's fans are really high on him.

00:57:23 I just, I always try.

00:57:25 I like in my head, I think his hype is going to keep going up, especially cause he's one

00:57:30 of the few like outside guys with size and explosiveness.

00:57:33 I feel like it's him and AD Mitchell are the only guys who are really in that like late

00:57:37 first round, early second round tier.

00:57:39 And then it kind of drops off.

00:57:40 How do you feel about that?

00:57:41 Not that we don't have to get Liggett in this one, but do you agree?

00:57:44 Because I mean, if you're talking, you're talking about just X receivers, right?

00:57:47 Yeah.

00:57:48 Like can see like, can still be those guys with some, like we're not including like Xavier

00:57:54 worthy as part of this conversation.

00:57:55 Exactly.

00:57:56 Yeah.

00:57:57 Okay.

00:57:58 Uh, yeah.

00:57:59 Um, you, you know how I feel about Troy Franklin.

00:58:00 Let somebody else figure out Tyquan Thornton and the Patriots don't need to do that again.

00:58:04 Roman Wilson is maybe a fringe first round pick, but he's a smaller guy.

00:58:07 Lad McConkey, smaller guy.

00:58:09 Yeah.

00:58:10 After 80 Mitchell here, uh, you know, it, it drops off at the X a bit.

00:58:13 Now that being said, look, yet is sorry.

00:58:16 Keon Coleman, I guess is in that tier two.

00:58:19 If he's your taste.

00:58:20 Yeah.

00:58:21 I, I, I, I don't think he's in the same tier as Mitchell.

00:58:22 I think he's one tier down.

00:58:24 Um, that's fair.

00:58:27 Liggett is kind of the ultimate hip drop tackles illegal player.

00:58:30 Yes, he is.

00:58:31 Like he's, he's in that he's in that tier.

00:58:33 So, um, but yeah, I, I, you have to take 80 Mitchell here.

00:58:38 You have to take 80 Mitchell.

00:58:39 Fair enough.

00:58:40 All right.

00:58:41 So we're locked in and it's going to be the same mock draft that we should have done.

00:58:45 We should have done a longer ones.

00:58:46 We traded so many picks.

00:58:47 I didn't even think of that.

00:58:48 Well, no, cause I think this kind of exemplifies the idea that this is what you give up when

00:58:53 you trade down.

00:58:54 That's true.

00:58:55 All right.

00:58:56 So we have our weapon.

00:58:58 We have a quarterback who's available to tackle.

00:59:02 This is the same draft I've done a million times.

00:59:04 You take Patrick Paul here.

00:59:05 Patrick Paul.

00:59:06 Yeah.

00:59:07 I'm doing this mock draft in my sleep.

00:59:09 I'm like a three trade up to 26.

00:59:11 Take Katie Mitchell, draft Patrick Paul in the third.

00:59:14 I have a, what we text each other about is like this exact kind of situation.

00:59:18 This is it.

00:59:19 This is the draft.

00:59:20 Um, so this is where I either hate, I don't hate doubling up.

00:59:24 So before we kind of had fun with this pick of defense, took running backs cause we did,

00:59:28 we had such a complete draft at top of the board.

00:59:30 Don't feel as much as strongly, not that it's not as strong.

00:59:33 You've got good players, but you need depth too.

00:59:36 And this is where I want to get a player who can be more of an instant contributor or,

00:59:40 you know, really hedge bet.

00:59:41 So this is where I look at doubling up a tackle or going with a corner who you think like

00:59:49 can play immediately opposite Christian Gonzalez.

00:59:53 So that's either Josh Newton or Javon Foster, pretty much our options.

00:59:57 So I have no idea where Josh Newton is going to go.

00:59:59 I, he was a first round pick.

01:00:02 He was a first round pick a year ago.

01:00:04 He had a, um, yeah, so nobody's mocking him.

01:00:09 I tried this.

01:00:10 Nobody's taking him in their mocks, which I think is part of the reason, which I think

01:00:15 shows that nobody really knows where to put them.

01:00:18 Josh Newton was a first round pick a year ago.

01:00:20 He was a really, really good player.

01:00:22 Pull up his NFL.com scouting report.

01:00:23 There's something in there.

01:00:24 You'll see.

01:00:25 I just did this with Brian.

01:00:26 Um, was a really good player for TCU had a down year.

01:00:30 Like he wasn't as good this year as he was last year, but he wasn't bad.

01:00:33 He's also, he's a tweener.

01:00:35 He's a tweener man corner.

01:00:38 Taylor read that description and tell me what team likes this kind of corner.

01:00:41 I'll go quarterback.

01:00:42 That's how versatility Newton's 2022 table slightly better than 2023.

01:00:45 He's capable and press and is made for old fashioned cover to looks where he can redirect

01:00:50 the release and sink in his own coverage.

01:00:51 We know one of the Patriots bread and butter plays is their man.

01:00:55 That's their Tampa two.

01:00:56 That's actually disguised as man covered.

01:00:58 So that's honestly, we're getting scary.

01:01:01 Corner man, his own corner.

01:01:03 I'll give you another, and maybe this changes post bill, but another try and true Patriots

01:01:07 draft trend.

01:01:09 The guys that have a really good season two years ago that maybe aren't as good and fall

01:01:14 down the board a little bit.

01:01:15 They've taken a ton of those guys in the last five years.

01:01:19 Josh Newton could not scream Patriots makeup more.

01:01:23 Now the question is, so again, he's 4000 plus career snaps is that's right.

01:01:30 He's at one or three here.

01:01:31 I don't totally think he was that bad this year to, you know, qualify a fall out of the

01:01:38 top 100, but most people seem to think so.

01:01:40 I'll tell you, Josh Newton is the exact kind of guy, the Patriots target in the draft,

01:01:44 whether that means they take them, whether it means he's there at one Oh three, that's

01:01:48 kind of what I struggle with, but going off the old draft trends, this dude is a, this

01:01:54 is the Mike Catholic Squidward meme Patriot.

01:01:58 This is their guy.

01:01:59 This is the guy they love to take.

01:02:01 This is, you know, as Belichick bait as it gets.

01:02:06 So he can get some revenge against 80 Mitchell in practice because Texas, so getting iron

01:02:13 sharpens iron baby.

01:02:15 So we're going to be able to, this is your new miles, right?

01:02:18 But he's a little bigger.

01:02:19 So you're going to be able to play him on the boundary.

01:02:21 You're going to be able to play him in the slot.

01:02:23 He can probably play a little bit of safety if you let him work on that.

01:02:26 Yeah.

01:02:27 I think he's a, I, he's a total Patriot.

01:02:31 Yeah.

01:02:32 All right.

01:02:33 So they make the lack of deep speed, you know, that's not the worst thing in the world.

01:02:36 They can play around that match them up.

01:02:37 Especially with this quarterback group, if they get somebody like him, I feel like they

01:02:40 can play the matchup coverages they usually like.

01:02:42 So Newton over a running back or tight end or, yeah, I think you've got to go more immediate

01:02:47 than, than project just based on the way the top of the draft went here.

01:02:50 And Newton, I think is a more immediate player locked in.

01:02:54 See how we look.

01:02:55 B minus shut up.

01:02:57 Hey, PFF hates Patrick Paul.

01:03:00 I can't say why they hate him.

01:03:07 I don't know.

01:03:08 That is so bizarre to me.

01:03:10 All right.

01:03:11 And I think he, what did he have an informal meeting?

01:03:14 Also, I think this is literally the mock draft I published on Monday, but no, I didn't take

01:03:20 who I took a different tackle.

01:03:22 I think I took the kid from Yale, but that's the only, cause I already took Patrick Paul

01:03:27 at different mock draft.

01:03:29 So this, what they would have just had a seventh round pick and that would have been it.

01:03:35 They would have had 93, a one 93, the Mack Jones pick 13.

01:03:39 Yeah.

01:03:40 So that's where you, that's where you probably would have doubled up on tackle, taking a tight

01:03:44 end called it a day.

01:03:46 I kind of want, I feel like these guys are going to be around.

01:03:47 I kind of want to go one more time just to see what we would have gotten.

01:03:50 Would you be down?

01:03:51 Would you speed run this?

01:03:53 Uh, yeah, but I would say also at that point you trade back probably from one 93 and pick

01:03:58 up some more picks.

01:03:59 That's a good point.

01:04:00 All right.

01:04:01 All right.

01:04:02 We'll do that real quick.

01:04:03 We'll do a speed run.

01:04:04 All right.

01:04:05 Cause I'm very curious.

01:04:06 All right.

01:04:07 Tampa three, Oh no.

01:04:08 34, four.

01:04:09 26, 26, 180.

01:04:10 Right.

01:04:11 I'll take this off.

01:04:12 I do with one 93.

01:04:21 Okay.

01:04:22 Yeah.

01:04:23 Yeah.

01:04:24 So good enough.

01:04:25 That should still work.

01:04:26 Yeah.

01:04:27 We were doing one 80 to mirror a trade that was done by the, um, Jacksonville Jaguars

01:04:34 a couple of years ago, but I think one 93 would work too.

01:04:37 And there's a reason for, I'll explain the reason for that in a second.

01:04:40 All right.

01:04:41 So a D yeah.

01:04:42 Do we want to make any trades right now?

01:04:45 Paul?

01:04:46 No.

01:04:47 So take Patrick Paul here.

01:04:48 Well, you said you wanted to see who we could get after that.

01:04:49 So let's not, let's not deviate.

01:04:50 Yep.

01:04:51 Okay.

01:04:52 Now the only question, if Josh Newton's not still here, I don't know, take like cam heart

01:04:53 or somebody, but, um, where'd he go?

01:04:57 Where'd he go?

01:04:59 Oh, the bills took him.

01:05:01 Do you want to reset it?

01:05:03 Uh, who's wait, who was left at corner?

01:05:07 Let's see.

01:05:08 It's the BC kid there.

01:05:09 I don't love it.

01:05:10 BC.

01:05:11 No.

01:05:12 Yeah, no.

01:05:13 See, this is where there was a run on corners.

01:05:14 It drops off hard at this point after Josh Newton, cam heart, uh, the kid from BC whose

01:05:18 name is escaping me, like it drops off pretty, pretty steeply after that.

01:05:21 So what you do here, direction, what's up?

01:05:25 Do we just want to go a different direction then?

01:05:27 Well, do you want to reset it one more time and see if we can get back to where we were?

01:05:31 All right.

01:05:32 Yeah.

01:05:33 Why not?

01:05:34 We're already here.

01:05:35 All right.

01:05:36 No, no, we're going to get good at this.

01:05:37 It's going to be muscle memory.

01:05:38 Yeah, no, that's exactly what happens.

01:05:41 Yeah.

01:05:42 All right.

01:05:43 Boom, boom.

01:05:44 That's going to do it.

01:05:45 Boom.

01:05:46 Didn't even have to look at all.

01:05:48 That's how it goes.

01:05:52 Where you at?

01:05:58 That's ridiculous.

01:05:59 It's insane.

01:06:00 It's so under Michael.

01:06:01 Are you kidding me?

01:06:02 That's so that's so disrespectful.

01:06:03 I didn't care about positional value.

01:06:04 Now I went again.

01:06:05 Are you kidding me?

01:06:06 Okay.

01:06:07 I think we maybe just got lucky.

01:06:08 Like literally we just got lucky.

01:06:09 I think we just got lucky.

01:06:10 I don't know.

01:06:11 I don't know.

01:06:12 I don't know.

01:06:13 I don't know.

01:06:14 I'm going to take a look at the, like literally two picks.

01:06:15 What do you say?

01:06:17 See, I wouldn't take it.

01:06:19 So what I would do at this point, I wouldn't take any of these corners is I would trade

01:06:23 down from here.

01:06:24 Okay.

01:06:25 All right.

01:06:26 We'll try that.

01:06:27 Who do you want to trade with?

01:06:28 Let me see here.

01:06:29 And you're creating a massive, massive gap in the board, but this is the kind of the

01:06:34 middle.

01:06:35 This class isn't great.

01:06:36 Let's see.

01:06:37 So we're at 137 which was forfeited last year.

01:06:41 Um, so this should go for, so last year the, uh, the bills traded one 37 to Washington

01:06:52 for one 50 and two 15.

01:06:56 So that's a little rich.

01:06:59 You got to go a little further down the board.

01:07:00 I think it's the one 45.

01:07:03 I would go, uh, who is anybody else calling on that thing?

01:07:06 Like where it says teams interested.

01:07:11 That's about right.

01:07:12 Yeah.

01:07:13 Okay.

01:07:14 Pull trigger.

01:07:15 Well, I don't think I'm going to get one 77, but, um, you could, yeah, no, you, you could

01:07:23 probably get a little more than that, but if they're the only team calling, that's the

01:07:25 deal.

01:07:26 Yeah.

01:07:27 Hang on.

01:07:28 Is there, is there any other teams?

01:07:29 It's just those two who has one 50 scroll down on the left there.

01:07:33 Who has one 50 saints?

01:07:34 Let's see.

01:07:35 All right.

01:07:36 Yeah.

01:07:37 The saints are always down to trade.

01:07:38 No, that's perfect.

01:07:39 Uh, no.

01:07:40 So it one 50, one 99.

01:07:42 We're gonna get the Brady pick.

01:07:44 Oh, that should work.

01:07:47 That, that, that should.

01:07:48 Yeah.

01:07:49 That, that would work in real life.

01:07:50 Okay.

01:07:51 Yeah.

01:07:52 We'll just do that for us.

01:07:53 Thank you.

01:07:54 Free business.

01:07:55 All right.

01:07:56 Where are we going here?

01:07:57 All right.

01:07:58 So we've taken Daniel's 80 Paul.

01:08:05 Who's there for tackle tackle?

01:08:08 We got Fon Foster.

01:08:10 Yep.

01:08:11 Yep.

01:08:12 All right.

01:08:13 So we got two tackles now we're in good shape there.

01:08:14 Who's there at tight end?

01:08:17 AJ Barner.

01:08:18 Sure.

01:08:19 Well, let's see who else we get on.

01:08:21 You want to, you want to double dip, see if tip's still there.

01:08:26 I wouldn't double dip a tight end.

01:08:27 Cause you, you got to have roster spots.

01:08:29 Now you're carrying four tight ends.

01:08:30 I'll leave that up to you.

01:08:32 Huh?

01:08:33 I'll say big 10 tight end.

01:08:34 I'll let you, I'll let you go from there.

01:08:36 I just think Barner's more well-rounded.

01:08:38 All right.

01:08:39 Take Barner.

01:08:40 Yeah.

01:08:41 We lost tip.

01:08:42 Got left.

01:08:43 This is where I need to watch more.

01:08:51 Who's there at corner?

01:08:53 Who's there at corner?

01:08:55 Is MJ Devonshire still there?

01:08:57 No.

01:08:58 AJ Woods.

01:08:59 Yes.

01:09:00 He had, he don't love any of these corners.

01:09:03 Who's there at safety?

01:09:04 Safety.

01:09:05 Trey Taylor, but we already talked about that.

01:09:09 It's a complicated situation.

01:09:10 Tyler Owens.

01:09:11 Isn't he going to go way earlier than this?

01:09:13 Yeah.

01:09:14 That's that's a respecting the board thing.

01:09:15 Who's there at running back?

01:09:16 Josh Proctor.

01:09:17 Someone they had a visit with, or I think met with at the or something.

01:09:21 Running back you said?

01:09:23 Yeah.

01:09:24 Isaiah Davis is one of their guys they've met with.

01:09:26 Yeah.

01:09:27 I can see Isaiah Davis here.

01:09:29 Is that Davis?

01:09:30 Sorry.

01:09:31 Yeah.

01:09:32 This is going to be tough.

01:09:33 I'm not going to know a lot of these guys.

01:09:40 This is again, put Bob means in the simulator.

01:09:44 Is it Andrew Ryan?

01:09:45 Someone able?

01:09:46 Well, let me talk to you.

01:09:47 Do you rain the Patriots?

01:09:49 Have they?

01:09:50 I haven't seen that.

01:09:51 Let me see.

01:09:52 I might be making that up.

01:09:58 Tracker going to my handy dandy roster tracker for draft prospects available on cns.com.

01:10:08 All right, let's see.

01:10:10 Rain.

01:10:11 They did not.

01:10:12 I made that up.

01:10:13 That was in my head.

01:10:14 But they could use a center just in case.

01:10:19 Is anybody else here?

01:10:20 Really?

01:10:21 I like the guy from Florida.

01:10:22 If you want to center.

01:10:23 I like the kid from Florida whose name was is escaping me.

01:10:25 It's Kingsley something.

01:10:26 Kingsley, a good con.

01:10:27 I want to see.

01:10:28 All right.

01:10:29 So a poulter.

01:10:30 Yeah.

01:10:31 All right.

01:10:32 All right.

01:10:33 So we didn't get Josh doing but honestly respecting the board if he is being mocked in the fourth,

01:10:40 at least it feels like a little more fair, I guess.

01:10:42 Right.

01:10:43 James Daniels ad we got two good tackles.

01:10:45 We got a good tight end running back makes a lot of sense.

01:10:49 Big guy with experience and we got a backup center.

01:10:51 I like it.

01:10:52 There you go.

01:10:53 What do you think?

01:10:54 What should I prefer that we did the one where they get the best quarterback?

01:11:00 I mean, that's here's the thing.

01:11:04 You can do some really fun, really complete drafts if you don't take a quarterback in

01:11:08 the top 100.

01:11:10 But then you don't get the top 100 quarterback and really it's top of the board quarterback.

01:11:15 So and that Taylor, I you've heard me say this a million times.

01:11:20 All or not either.

01:11:21 Take them first.

01:11:22 You take them last.

01:11:23 If they don't love any of the quarterbacks at the top of the board or they feel they

01:11:26 are not properly prepared to take a quarterback, load up the rest of the roster.

01:11:31 I have no interest.

01:11:33 We got actually, no, we got Michael Penix at 34 in one of these, right?

01:11:36 So that's my favorite because I think they got a top 10 caliber quarterback with the

01:11:40 34th overall pick.

01:11:41 But if I don't think that's going to happen, I don't think he's going to make it to 34.

01:11:45 So if you don't get the quarterback at the top of the draft, load the rest of the thing

01:11:50 up, load the rest of the thing up.

01:11:52 Add a ton of talent and go back for the quarterback next year.

01:11:55 Maybe you sign Dak Prescott or you trade for Trevor Warrants.

01:12:00 I have no interest in Bonick's at 34.

01:12:03 Everybody thinks they're so creative.

01:12:05 Everybody's so creative taking Bonick's.

01:12:07 Did you get that reference?

01:12:08 That's like a deep.

01:12:09 Oh, wait, no, I don't.

01:12:10 I just like there's this woman who she's very funny.

01:12:14 She like does whatever it's called, like the threading of the video or it's like her video

01:12:20 on another video of these people just making this God awful food, just terrible recipes.

01:12:25 She goes, everybody's so creative.

01:12:27 And then it's just like disgusting.

01:12:30 But everybody's so creative with Bonick's at 34.

01:12:33 And it's like, but are you taking Bonick's at 34 because you think he's a good player

01:12:37 worthy of the 34th overall pick?

01:12:39 Are you taking him at 34 because you wanted to draft Marvin Harrison or you wanted to

01:12:43 draft Joe Alt or you wanted to trade down, but you don't want to do a mock without a

01:12:47 quarterback because it feels wrong.

01:12:49 Because those are two very different things.

01:12:51 If you're taking Bonick's just because, Oh, I need a quarterback in here that doesn't

01:12:54 do anything.

01:12:55 You're just giving up a chance to get an actual good player with a premium asset.

01:13:00 So that's still where I am.

01:13:02 I have no interest in Bonick's at 34.

01:13:04 I don't even have a ton of interest in Spencer Rattler, you know, in the late, late on day

01:13:09 three, even though I've come around on Spencer Rattler, I've warmed up on Spencer Rattler.

01:13:13 There are teams Spencer Rattler makes sense for Patriots.

01:13:16 Not one of them.

01:13:18 If you're not taking a quarterback, third, don't even talk to me until one 37 and then

01:13:23 maybe it's only Joe Milton.

01:13:25 And then don't talk to me again until we're outside of the top 200.

01:13:28 And then you can take Jason Bean or Andrew Peasley all you want, but you don't have an

01:13:32 answer at quarterback.

01:13:35 That's still where I'm at.

01:13:36 That's still where I'm at.

01:13:37 If you're not going to take the quarterback at three, we're on to 2025.

01:13:40 We can start talking about sugar standards.

01:13:42 We can start talking about Quinn yours.

01:13:43 We can start talking about Trevor Lawrence.

01:13:45 We can start talking about Dak Prescott.

01:13:47 Everyone needs to build a mock draft simulator that lets you do like two years worth of offseason.

01:13:52 I don't even think it's really a matter of whether they are ready to take on a quarterback.

01:13:56 If you like the quarterback, take him.

01:13:57 It doesn't like then build your roster around him.

01:14:00 You have to go be reset male, you know, whether or not he meant it already said that Kobe

01:14:03 can be a starter.

01:14:04 He has been a starter in the league.

01:14:06 So if you need him to just take a bunch of the hits and kind of work out the kinks in

01:14:09 the offense early, you do that.

01:14:10 But I agree if they like one of these guys or both these guys absolutely stay put.

01:14:15 Prescott people.

01:14:16 I just, I don't understand.

01:14:17 I get because the Cowboys haven't had a lot of playoff success, but I think pretending

01:14:22 like Dak Prescott is one of the best quarterbacks in football is just kind of deranged.

01:14:26 And before we get off, the only question with panics, Patriots don't seem interested.

01:14:30 I think that could potentially be a smoke screen.

01:14:32 Tyler, you worked with him for an entire season.

01:14:35 He knows him personally.

01:14:36 They worked really closely.

01:14:37 Obviously he was with the receivers, but, um, or he was just an offensive assistant,

01:14:42 right?

01:14:43 Just an offensive assistant for a Washington.

01:14:44 Yeah.

01:14:45 General offensive assistant.

01:14:46 So I, I think that they are just saving their ammunition.

01:14:48 It top 30 business will tell us more than anything, but the fact that I met with him

01:14:51 at the draft or anything, I don't think that's really a big deal.

01:14:54 I think they can kind of wait on that, but, uh, this is a lot of fun, buddy.

01:14:58 Anything you want to get out of here?

01:15:00 A ton of content up on 98,000 sports hub.com.

01:15:03 Put up a mock draft on Monday.

01:15:05 I have, um, uh, positional previews are going through wide receivers for yesterday.

01:15:10 Tight ends are tomorrow and keep an update on pro days and all that.

01:15:14 Awesome.

01:15:15 Thank you so much, buddy.

01:15:16 And thank you all for watching as always.

01:15:18 Take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and we will see you next time.

01:15:21 Peace y'all.

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