NBC Sports Boston's Glenn Gleason and Moose Messina, AKA The Camera Guys, make their show debut to tell stories from their 25 years shooting Boston sports, including tales about Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowsk, Jason Bateman, David Andrews, Dustin Pedroia and more. The guys also cover what they learned from watching Mac Jones this season.
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00:00:08 All right, two of the best guys, two of the best friends you'll find in Boston
00:00:11 sports media.
00:00:11 Now two of the best actors I found out because this is our second take of
00:00:15 the intro.
00:00:15 Because lo and behold, when you have the NBC Sports Boston's camera guys on,
00:00:20 you're gonna have some camera issues.
00:00:21 But Glenn Gleason, fight through it, Bill Moose, Messina.
00:00:25 I've been hyping this episode for weeks, so
00:00:26 hopefully you are also two of the best guests we have here in the Pads Interference
00:00:29 podcast brought to you by Vandal,
00:00:31 Hughes Cousins, Wade Rink, part of the CLNS Media Network.
00:00:33 And now Moose, then I know what you're going to do.
00:00:35 I'm just going to lay out for a proper camera guys intro.
00:00:38 >> Stand by cuz we have our walk up song.
00:00:42 I don't know if you know, but we're contracted to, hold on.
00:00:45 This is our theme music.
00:00:46 >> Excellent.
00:00:47 [MUSIC]
00:00:51 >> Yeah, yeah.
00:00:52 >> [LAUGH]
00:00:54 >> Yeah, I mean,
00:00:54 why should the players be the only ones that have walk up music?
00:00:58 I think everybody should have walk up songs in their life.
00:01:01 Like, you're walking into work, maybe you're just going into Dunkin' Donuts,
00:01:05 whatever, you should have,
00:01:07 everybody should have a chance to have their own walk up song.
00:01:10 So, as long as you're not like Peter Griffin with the tuba and
00:01:13 Family Guy, the [SOUND]
00:01:14 >> [LAUGH]
00:01:16 >> Exactly, exactly.
00:01:18 >> I love it. And I feel like there should be different walk up songs for
00:01:20 what we're doing, right?
00:01:21 Like me coming on the podcast is different than kind of going into Gillette or
00:01:24 Bill walking into a Wednesday morning press.
00:01:27 There's probably different than Belichick going out on a Sunday ready to call
00:01:29 a game, like it should be mixed up.
00:01:32 >> Yeah, yeah.
00:01:32 >> Yeah, it's the Imperial March in Star Wars for those Wednesday pressers.
00:01:36 >> [LAUGH]
00:01:38 >> They're literally, by the way,
00:01:39 people don't realize, right?
00:01:41 Andrew, I don't know if you've ever told this, but
00:01:42 we're waiting for Bill to come into a press conference.
00:01:45 The smoke comes, the door opens, stormtroopers come in,
00:01:50 they shoot lasers at us, anything to just like, and
00:01:53 then Bill just kind of gives us all that like choke hold.
00:01:56 You know, don't speak till I speak.
00:01:59 Well, actually, then he knocks down all the microphones, then he does that.
00:02:03 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:02:04 Look, I'm glad you're saying that, not me, cuz I've taken enough lasers in my
00:02:08 direction from saying things about Bill like that, that have not gone so well.
00:02:11 >> Yeah. >> But hey, it's 3 and 11.
00:02:13 We're here for some levity though, some story time with you guys who have been on
00:02:16 the sideline for years, as I heard it from Glenn.
00:02:19 Friends together since 99, moves leaves at 2001 for Fox Sports.
00:02:23 Then that mulls together and you guys reunite in '09 at Comcast,
00:02:27 New England Sports Network, whatever it was, too long, and now you are.
00:02:30 NBC Sports Boston's camera guys, where you should find them on Twitter,
00:02:33 Bill Belichick, Impersonations, Matt Patricia, one on ones.
00:02:36 You just get a different glimpse at guys, especially players,
00:02:39 kind of hanging out with you two,
00:02:40 which hell, you might get a different version of me here in this episode.
00:02:43 So give them a follow.
00:02:45 And I'm still thinking about that walk up thing.
00:02:47 I always had my answer when I met Fenway, pondering that, and
00:02:51 I think it's Nelly, Here Comes the Boom.
00:02:53 I don't think there could be a better song than that.
00:02:55 But if you had individual walk up songs for this podcast, what are you choosing?
00:03:00 Is it the one we just played?
00:03:01 >> Boy, I mean, I'm gonna go back to my hockey background and
00:03:06 I'm probably gonna do YYZ by Rush because it's instrumental and
00:03:10 it's really, gets you very adrenalized.
00:03:14 >> Yeah, yeah.
00:03:14 I would say just after all the weekend activities with Kansas City,
00:03:19 I would probably go Taylor Swift, I'm the problem, it's me.
00:03:23 That would be my walk up.
00:03:24 That would be my walk up song, yeah.
00:03:26 >> Fitting, fitting.
00:03:27 >> Yeah. >> Very good.
00:03:29 Well, your job in a different way is I think similar to the rest of ours,
00:03:32 where you try to bring people places they cannot be and
00:03:34 show them things that they cannot see.
00:03:37 And you do this in a way that, look, there are like 40 people out of practice and
00:03:40 we're all looking at Mac Jones' ankle last year, or
00:03:42 why he's holding two footballs this year in the middle of a slump.
00:03:45 And obviously getting benched.
00:03:47 And I just, I have to tell you,
00:03:48 I'm so impressed with those details that you pick up on.
00:03:50 In addition to the videos that become fun and
00:03:53 show what kind of side of the players that, like I just mentioned,
00:03:55 you guys seem to bring out.
00:03:56 When, again, 50 of us, 100 eyeballs out there watching the same thing and
00:04:00 you spot something different.
00:04:02 So whether it's one of those moments or just in any of the years you've been on
00:04:06 the sidelines at Gillette or the Garden or wherever you've been,
00:04:10 can you just tell us each the last moment where you just go,
00:04:13 I love my effing job so much.
00:04:16 >> [LAUGH] >> Hey Moose, you take it away.
00:04:20 >> Well, so I had surgery, I was out for a while.
00:04:23 And I've been to every single stadium except for one, Dallas.
00:04:29 So every time the Patriots went there in the old stadium,
00:04:32 the Red Sox were in playoffs, so Glenn and I, we were doing a playoff run and
00:04:36 all that.
00:04:36 So I had never been to the Cowboys stadium.
00:04:39 And as a kid, the Patriots were not good, right?
00:04:42 People don't remember that.
00:04:44 But before they weren't good now, and then they used to not be good.
00:04:49 So it was like the Cowboys, love the Cowboys.
00:04:52 So going to that stadium, I admitted I went out to the star.
00:04:56 I didn't T.O. it, well, maybe I did a little bit, but you know what I mean?
00:04:59 I did a little, this is awesome.
00:05:03 >> That's what I was gonna say, Andrew.
00:05:05 >> I was doing other stuff.
00:05:11 And it's funny cuz listen, we act like idiots.
00:05:16 We just have fun.
00:05:16 And it was just so funny to see him, literally like a little kid with
00:05:21 this big shit eating grin on his face, doing the selfie.
00:05:26 I was like, man, that's one of those things where it's like, yeah,
00:05:30 you know what?
00:05:31 A lot of the stuff is a real grind and you're away from your family.
00:05:34 You understand, but that was the thing where I was like, yeah, man,
00:05:38 he's in his groove.
00:05:39 And I'm not a football lunatic like he is, I'm a hockey guy.
00:05:45 So I am to hockey what he is to football.
00:05:50 And I haven't been to the original stadiums, but
00:05:53 I have covered every original, Bruins playing every original 16 in their arenas.
00:05:58 And Bill's been to some of those too.
00:06:00 But those are the things where it's like, yeah, you know what?
00:06:04 This is the good stuff that it makes a lot of the sacrifice that you put up with
00:06:09 worth it because at heart we love sports and it's just been a blast.
00:06:15 >> What about when you went to Lake Placid and you gave somebody a ride?
00:06:19 >> Yeah, that's a really good point.
00:06:21 I forgot about that.
00:06:22 Look at him, he's teeing me up.
00:06:23 He's an old pro.
00:06:24 >> These are old teammates.
00:06:26 Yeah, go ahead.
00:06:27 >> We were, God, the Bruins were playing the Canadians, the year they won the cup.
00:06:31 And Rush was in town.
00:06:34 So we had to leave Montreal and go to Lake Placid.
00:06:37 And Giardi and I were driving around Lake Placid and we saw Tim Thomas.
00:06:41 And we're like, hey man, what's up?
00:06:44 And he's like, yeah, I need a ride.
00:06:46 So we gave him a ride to the hotel.
00:06:49 >> And you rented minivans.
00:06:51 >> Yeah, it was like had all the Comcast Sportsnet stuff all over.
00:06:55 It was like we called them clown cars when they were wrapped.
00:06:58 >> Okay, wait, set the scene though.
00:07:00 What was Tim Thomas wearing?
00:07:02 Was he, obviously, probably wasn't with all of his gear.
00:07:05 Was this late at night?
00:07:07 >> He literally had just got a haircut.
00:07:09 And he had on a flannel shirt and he had on an Elmer Fudd hat.
00:07:14 Like, I shit you not.
00:07:15 We're like, hey, you want a ride?
00:07:18 And he's like, yeah, sure.
00:07:19 So we got in.
00:07:21 And their hotel was up at the top of a mountain, cuz it was in Lake Placid.
00:07:25 And we drive by Klode Julian, cuz he was out walking and he was huffing and puffing.
00:07:32 And sorry, they're doing some construction on my house.
00:07:35 >> It's okay, bring him in.
00:07:36 We'll have him in too, the construction guys.
00:07:38 Yeah, very good.
00:07:39 >> Who are you talking about?
00:07:40 >> That's Belichick slamming at your door like, don't you say anything.
00:07:44 So we see Klode and he's like huffing and puffing.
00:07:49 And we're like, hey, Tim, you want us to pull over and give Klode a ride?
00:07:52 And he just goes, no, man, I hate that guy.
00:07:56 [LAUGH] >> We're just like, but Mike and
00:07:59 I were like, ha ha ha ha.
00:08:01 And he's like, no, no, no, seriously.
00:08:04 I was just like, okay, man, we're just gonna give you a ride.
00:08:07 >> And that was the year they won the cup, right?
00:08:09 >> Yeah, yeah, and in the locker room in Vancouver, I saw him.
00:08:14 I was like, hey, congratulations.
00:08:15 And he just looks at me and he looked at Mike Giardi too.
00:08:18 And he goes, seriously, you guys giving me that ride helped save my legs so
00:08:24 we could win.
00:08:25 >> [LAUGH] >> It's just like, there you go.
00:08:26 >> It's probably not true, but thank you.
00:08:28 >> Contributing to championships, that's what we do.
00:08:31 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
00:08:31 >> So hopefully you got to take the Stanley Cup around in that minivan just for
00:08:35 a joyride for one day because you helped Tim Thomas,
00:08:37 who was outstanding in that playoff run.
00:08:39 All right, so this will be mostly Patriot-centric.
00:08:41 And I just figured it'd be best to set the scene, right, of like,
00:08:44 Glenn, you haven't shot as many games this year.
00:08:46 But the schedule for a traditional 1 PM game, like we had against Kansas City,
00:08:50 how early you guys get to the stadium.
00:08:52 I know Phil is doing stand-up, Phil Perry of NBC Sports Boston.
00:08:55 Pre-game, post-game, cuz I filled in for him at that Dallas game,
00:08:58 I worked with you guys.
00:09:00 And then what's it like afterward?
00:09:01 Like how close are you?
00:09:02 That's how I build this, is you guys get to be close to the sideline in a way that
00:09:06 you see things that most people don't, even though sitting in the front row.
00:09:10 >> Sure, yeah, I mean, well, the first thing we do is stop at Starbucks.
00:09:15 And sorry for the plug, but I love my pink drink.
00:09:19 Glenn needs his coffee.
00:09:20 You do not wanna start the day with Glenn without his coffee or
00:09:24 his wallet, but that's another story we have to go back and
00:09:27 call in Canadian mountains.
00:09:29 Yeah, but so, Glenn, you start because Glenn is super,
00:09:35 Glenn sleeps like three hours and then he's superhuman.
00:09:39 He's up and first thing rolling into the stadium.
00:09:42 >> Yeah, so I mean, I'll get there usually around nine for that one o'clock kick.
00:09:47 And we need to get like for our pre-game live noon,
00:09:52 every one hour before every game except for some of the night games.
00:09:55 Anyway, we had to throw in our plug too.
00:09:57 So I'll get some shots of the stadium like you see like,
00:10:02 we're here at sunny Gillette and I'll get some of those a couple people tailgating.
00:10:08 And then just I'll kind of go in at that point and
00:10:11 then it kind of becomes Moose's show after that.
00:10:15 I make sure nothing weird is happening on the field.
00:10:17 Cuz that stuff on field doesn't start happening till about 11, but
00:10:22 that's when Moose- >> You're talking like warm ups, right?
00:10:24 Cuz I mean, I'm there about the same time, maybe a little bit later.
00:10:27 And I'm trying to think of what weird things have happened that maybe I missed.
00:10:30 Even though I have a better view in the press box way high up,
00:10:33 I should theoretically see everything.
00:10:35 What's something weird that's happened?
00:10:37 >> Well, I could tell you like, so when we get there and
00:10:40 we're shooting that pregame warm up stuff,
00:10:42 you can tell teams that are into the game sometimes or not.
00:10:46 Like when the Tigers came to play the Patriots, it was raining,
00:10:51 it was not nice, it was not good.
00:10:53 And so, Keenan Allen came out and
00:10:57 he literally had like his hands in his pants the entire time.
00:11:01 And you could tell this dude is like not ready to play.
00:11:05 And sure enough, he was not being dropped a pass early on.
00:11:09 And you see that from time to time, teams come in with the elements, right?
00:11:14 Like at Foxborough especially, and they're just not really ready for it or
00:11:18 they're not sure how to handle it, you know what I mean?
00:11:22 Like it can make a difference.
00:11:25 Like I can remember, go back to, what year was it they played the Titans in the ice?
00:11:31 >> Yeah. >> It was freezing cold, right?
00:11:33 >> Yeah. >> So we're back to '03?
00:11:35 Or are we talking Brady's last game?
00:11:37 >> Yeah, I was like- >> No, no, sorry.
00:11:39 >> It was like ten below with wind chill, the Titans game you're talking about.
00:11:42 >> Visceral round playoff game, Titans roll in.
00:11:45 >> Right, start of the dynasty.
00:11:47 So the Titans come out and everything is frozen.
00:11:51 I mean, probably one of the coldest games I've ever, ever done.
00:11:57 >> And that's when it was still grass.
00:12:00 >> Right, that's right, that's right, yeah.
00:12:02 And so they come out, the Titans come out, and they've got like,
00:12:07 they all come out with short sleeve shirts.
00:12:12 And four of them come out and they're all baby oiled up.
00:12:16 And they think that's gonna, I don't know, they're gonna somehow-
00:12:18 >> That's Moose's move, by the way.
00:12:20 >> Yeah, right, right.
00:12:21 >> We were gonna get there, yeah, baby oil.
00:12:23 >> Glenn hits me with the baby oil, it's a thing.
00:12:27 But so these guys come out, they're gonna intimidate Teddy Brewski and
00:12:32 Mike Grable and guys by coming out in their t-shirt and
00:12:36 letting everybody know they can't be messed with.
00:12:40 Literally, they were out there, not even five minutes.
00:12:43 They ran over to the heaters on the sideline, and were just standing there
00:12:47 trying to warm up, and took off and went back inside.
00:12:50 And so those are things like Glenn and I will talk about.
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00:13:46 >> You can get a look at them at that point and
00:13:48 just sort of see how a guy is moving or whatever.
00:13:50 But you wanna just get as much video of the guys that you can.
00:13:55 And yeah, I mean, we're definitely eyes that are probably smarter than
00:14:01 the average bear and we'll say, hey, I'm trying to think of someone who has
00:14:06 been banged up in the last few weeks, but it's like-
00:14:10 >> Brad Brown.
00:14:11 >> Yeah, it's very obvious if he's not out there for warmups, but
00:14:15 you'll see a guy on Wynu working out.
00:14:18 And it's like, yeah, he's actually moving pretty good and that kind of stuff.
00:14:22 But yeah, it's really just, it helps the producers back at the station kinda help
00:14:27 sort of shape what they wanna talk about in the show.
00:14:31 >> There's definitely a certain level of, you see these guys move, right?
00:14:35 These athletes, and it's like when you see them in practice every day and
00:14:40 you're shooting them, right?
00:14:41 You know their gait, you know how they walk.
00:14:43 Dietrich Weiss walks and he looks like he's injured just walking, right?
00:14:48 But then you see him out on a football field and
00:14:50 the dude moves like a Kimo Aja, you know what I mean?
00:14:53 Like he's big and he just, so when they're injured and they're trying to come back,
00:14:58 there's like a certain level of when you're watching them.
00:15:01 You can see when they're not willing to sort of make a cut or
00:15:06 do certain things that you're like, okay, if he can get through the game.
00:15:11 Like Julian Edelman towards the end, right?
00:15:13 That was a big one.
00:15:14 There were certain things you could see that he can't really do.
00:15:19 And like Juju even now, I know like Juju has certain issues with his knee, right?
00:15:24 And in the game, I think it was the last game,
00:15:29 or maybe it was the game before that, before the, anyway.
00:15:32 So he went to make a cut and you could see his knee kind of buckled on.
00:15:37 And he basically almost fell.
00:15:39 And I was like, without getting touched, you know?
00:15:42 And so those are little things like that you see, what a guy,
00:15:46 he's like Hunter Henry.
00:15:48 That guy has been out of games for things I'm sure would take a lot of people out
00:15:54 of for the rest of the game, and he comes back in.
00:15:58 There's been so many times this year where he's been getting work done on
00:16:01 the sidelines where you go, his hand, you're like, he's done.
00:16:06 And he is a tough dude, a very tough dude.
00:16:10 >> Yeah, I'm glad you brought him up because obviously he had a lot of
00:16:12 punishment in that KC game.
00:16:14 And he came into New England with this reputation as kind of a fragile player.
00:16:17 And he had a torn ACL, and that's not your fault.
00:16:20 You're not soft for tearing your ACL, but you miss enough time.
00:16:22 And people go, well, we can't trust to be on the field.
00:16:24 You must be injury prone for whatever worth that label is.
00:16:28 So the game starts and you're talking about body language before the game.
00:16:31 Mike Keenan-Allen was the hell out of there.
00:16:33 Lo and behold, Brandon Staley gets canned, what, two and a half weeks later?
00:16:37 >> Yeah. >> On the most insane game of
00:16:38 the NFL season.
00:16:39 But are you noticing things like, this might not go their way or
00:16:43 how the team reacts?
00:16:44 Like it's been a bad season.
00:16:45 Was there anything in and around October or maybe even September where you kind of
00:16:50 got a hint like, they just don't have it or they think they might not have it?
00:16:54 Because they're never gonna be totally honest with us at the podium speaking
00:16:56 about reporters after the game.
00:16:58 But you see everything in real time and how they're reacting.
00:17:00 >> Well, yeah, Glenn, remember at camp?
00:17:04 What about at camp, right?
00:17:05 Did you think, cuz you could see the progression of Mac,
00:17:08 like at camp, did you think Mac was confident?
00:17:12 >> I mean, if he wasn't, he was doing a really good sell job.
00:17:15 You know what I mean?
00:17:16 And I think he was actually.
00:17:18 And he really seemed to be on the same page with the receivers.
00:17:22 And it wasn't all perfect, but they would at least talk about it and go over it.
00:17:28 And Bill O'Brien seemed to be engaged and into it.
00:17:32 And I had a joke tweet back then.
00:17:35 It was like O'Brien had one of those sticks, the pad on the end of the stick.
00:17:39 And he was like, pressuring him.
00:17:41 And it was just like, I don't know.
00:17:43 It just it seemed like they were headed for some pretty decent things.
00:17:49 You would have no reason to believe otherwise.
00:17:51 Like they had Bill O'Brien in place.
00:17:53 And it just seemed like they were listening to him and they were into it.
00:17:57 I don't know what you think, what your takeaway was.
00:18:00 >> Yeah, no, I think he started out pretty confident and
00:18:03 thought that things were gonna go differently.
00:18:05 But you can see as time went on in the games how he would, so
00:18:11 a lot of times with NFL quarterbacks, when you're shooting the game,
00:18:17 you stay in front of the offense.
00:18:20 So they're coming towards you, right?
00:18:22 So with NFL quarterbacks, you pretty much know where those passes are going, right?
00:18:27 Cuz it's one of the toughest things we do, right, Glenn?
00:18:30 I mean, it's like following the ball, trying to follow the ball, right?
00:18:34 So with Mac though, you never know, his arm angles,
00:18:39 the ball would come out all over the place,
00:18:42 places you just wouldn't expect it to.
00:18:46 And you're like, whoa, okay, you're trying to follow it.
00:18:50 And then there'd be times where I have this,
00:18:54 I think because of his height and he's not as mobile, right?
00:19:00 I think there's times where you're shooting him and
00:19:03 you can't see him behind the offensive line.
00:19:06 >> You lose him behind the line.
00:19:08 >> Right, and to me, if I can't see him,
00:19:10 then that means he's probably having trouble seeing the receivers.
00:19:14 And I just think that unless that pocket is set for him, or
00:19:19 it's something that has him on the move, I think that he has trouble seeing,
00:19:25 like, okay, let me let this receiver get into the window that I need him to get
00:19:28 into beyond this linebacker, and I'll make that throw.
00:19:32 I think there's times where Mac would feel like,
00:19:36 I'm gonna make the throw now, cuz I'm gonna get hit.
00:19:38 Like, I just think this started when he first came as a rookie,
00:19:42 that first half of that season, he got the crap kicked out of him, right?
00:19:47 And I think people forget that, that the psyche of these young quarterbacks,
00:19:51 when you start like that, and you're not a big guy and you take a lot of hits,
00:19:55 it's just like if you walked into your job every day and
00:20:01 somebody punched you in the face by the second or third-
00:20:04 >> You'd probably be Cary Geregian, by the way.
00:20:07 >> Right, I'm sure Karen would do that to you if you screwed up a story, right?
00:20:11 Give you a good shot to the face.
00:20:12 >> How about just the afternoon?
00:20:13 Or let's talk to Jordan Poole about this.
00:20:15 He played all season, but that team's been broken,
00:20:18 thanks to a punch in the face at work in practice.
00:20:20 >> Right.
00:20:21 >> So we started talking about confidence with this,
00:20:23 which I think is the real key word with Mac.
00:20:25 And I don't wanna spend too much time with Mac, we talked a lot about it.
00:20:27 >> Yeah. >> But in speaking with players in
00:20:29 the locker room about this, some of whom have come to me on the record saying,
00:20:32 especially on defense, well, I guess we have to give up zero today.
00:20:36 They noted the confidence and said, if our quarterback doesn't have confidence,
00:20:39 the whole operation falls apart.
00:20:41 And that was evident with him, even though, again, and
00:20:43 this is why we talk about body language.
00:20:45 Mac would never, ever, ever, ever say, yeah, I lost my confidence.
00:20:49 Because then that's the ultimate surrender white flag.
00:20:51 >> Did you see him lose teammates confidence or lose his own?
00:20:55 He comes back and plays at Vegas after getting pounded against the Saints.
00:20:59 And then we had the game against the Commanders.
00:21:00 And then you guys weren't in Germany, but the Giants came after that.
00:21:04 Did you see anything on the sideline?
00:21:05 Like Moose, I think you and I have talked about that a little bit.
00:21:07 >> Yes, in Vegas, he throws a pitch.
00:21:11 So he was trying to be really upbeat.
00:21:14 Prior to that, he had kind of gotten down and the team was down.
00:21:18 And I think guys had kind of lost that faith in him.
00:21:22 And so he throws a pick, comes off to the sidelines, and
00:21:26 he sits down where he usually does with Bill O'Brien.
00:21:29 But this time he gets up, and he went to each player and kind of tried to,
00:21:33 fist pump, like, come on, let's go, we got this.
00:21:37 And not one guy responded to it.
00:21:39 And so right then and there, I'm thinking to myself,
00:21:43 these guys are tired of this.
00:21:46 I don't think they think Mac's a bad guy.
00:21:47 Maybe they don't even think it's his fault, but ultimately, it's not working.
00:21:53 And when they're, like the Patriots require these guys to do,
00:21:56 put in more work than most teams.
00:21:58 So you're willing to do it if you're gonna win.
00:22:01 But then when you feel like there's one guy that holds it all in his hands for
00:22:06 you, and he keeps giving it away, and you put in all this work.
00:22:09 It's like, no, man, no, I'm not feeling this.
00:22:15 You're killing us.
00:22:17 And that was telling.
00:22:19 That was telling to me.
00:22:21 >> And I noticed in the Giants game, I remember,
00:22:26 cuz Jabril Peppers is a high school legend.
00:22:30 And so he really wanted to show out.
00:22:32 And listen, he played a good game, but
00:22:34 we can all say that was a pretty ugly game, a bad result.
00:22:37 >> I think ugly is kind.
00:22:39 There's no alibi, there's just,
00:22:41 there's videotape of the murder that game committed.
00:22:44 It was his heinousest I've ever seen.
00:22:47 But so as I often do, I went to the wrong place to get into the locker
00:22:51 room after the game to get the sound.
00:22:54 And so I was sitting just outside another side of the locker room.
00:23:00 And Peppers, I didn't have my camera, he didn't see me,
00:23:03 he doesn't really know who I am anyway.
00:23:06 But he just came out and he was by himself in his full pads five minutes
00:23:10 after the game.
00:23:12 And he was just shaking his head and he's like,
00:23:15 I can't believe it got this bad.
00:23:18 And it's just like, it is the thing Bill was talking about.
00:23:22 It is like it's not like, Mac Jones is like a bad guy or like,
00:23:27 but it's just, it really felt like you said.
00:23:31 And I think Peppers may have said in the locker room after that game,
00:23:34 like, I mean, do we have to throw a shutout?
00:23:37 Do I even have a shot to win a game here?
00:23:39 That's a paraphrase, but like, so yeah, it's been tough to watch because
00:23:44 obviously it's a lot more fun when they're doing well.
00:23:47 But yeah, it feels like that was kind of a thing where it was like,
00:23:52 yeah, it might be time to make a change.
00:23:55 >> Yeah, and it was, Billy's happy started ever since.
00:23:57 But I don't wanna talk anymore about Patriots quarterbacks.
00:23:59 Let's go on the flip side.
00:24:01 Lot of good sideline motivators here in Boston,
00:24:03 some of whom you could say are out of their minds in those kind of moments.
00:24:06 Kevin Garnett comes to mind.
00:24:08 So having been around Boston sports and shooting it now for 25 years,
00:24:13 can you have a short list of the best sideline motivators?
00:24:16 Bonus points if they're Patriots, but if they're not, we're just here for
00:24:19 like the good stories and the stuff that again, you guys see that most of us don't.
00:24:22 >> So I would say one of the top ones was, and this was more of a dynamic, right?
00:24:33 So Brady's obvious in the stuff that we saw, right?
00:24:38 But there was a dynamic that would go on where he would come off and
00:24:42 he would scream at the players, which we've seen.
00:24:45 We've seen that video, right?
00:24:47 But one time, and this is where the offensive line was different back then.
00:24:53 So Brady, we were in Jacksonville.
00:24:57 Brady goes down there, horrible start.
00:25:00 And he's like, what the, blah, blah, blah, wake up.
00:25:06 And so he goes and sits down and you could just see Matt Light's doing.
00:25:11 And he just, he's like, that crew is a different crew,
00:25:14 Mankins and all those guys.
00:25:16 And he gets up and now he goes down to Brady and
00:25:20 says, you get your head out of your ass.
00:25:23 You get us going, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:26 And you could tell the other guys were like, yeah, Matt, you tell them.
00:25:32 So that was one of the funny, cuz those guys came up more with Brady, right?
00:25:37 He wasn't like, Tom Brady, like some of these guys were towards the end.
00:25:42 So Matt Light, kind of speaking for everybody, was kind of cool moment, right?
00:25:47 Like an unexpected motivator, and they did,
00:25:50 they went out and they scored on that next series.
00:25:53 And who knew Matt Light would be the guy that would light that fire?
00:25:58 And honestly, that's one of my surprise ones.
00:26:02 >> Yeah, [LAUGH] I mean, for me, just the recent era stuff,
00:26:07 like Matthew Judon, he's a total high motor guy.
00:26:10 And you will always see him over there.
00:26:12 And he's not like a rah, rah, rah, over the top crazy.
00:26:15 But you could tell that those guys played really hard for him.
00:26:20 And they listened to him because he is really good.
00:26:24 And it wasn't like a head slamming, head butting guys and stuff like that.
00:26:29 But he's a guy that they really, I'm using the wrong tense now,
00:26:34 they got behind him, and hopefully they will again when he comes back.
00:26:38 But yeah, he's another guy who you could tell really just gets guys fired up and
00:26:43 ready to play.
00:26:45 >> I think an underrated one was Edelman, because he could,
00:26:51 he would say those little things to Brady like we've seen the NFL clips, right?
00:26:55 But his stuff even began during practice.
00:26:59 I mean, you talk to any defensive player,
00:27:01 they hated Julian Edelman practicing against him.
00:27:06 And that's not an exaggeration, right?
00:27:08 They thought he was a prick, right?
00:27:10 Cuz that guy was like, he's that guy that things are going three quarters speed and
00:27:15 he's hitting you in the mouth.
00:27:17 And you're like, what the hell, dude?
00:27:18 Like you're my teammate.
00:27:19 So his motivation would start during the week.
00:27:22 And then he would come out and he didn't get a lot of credit for this.
00:27:27 But he was an amazing shit talker on the field, right?
00:27:31 Like he'd say these little things to guys and other guys around him would just get
00:27:36 such a kick out of it, other teammates, that that would get them fired up, right?
00:27:41 So I think that that was, and that was just kind of like who Edelman was.
00:27:45 That wasn't like Glenn said.
00:27:47 It wasn't him like seeking out, making a speech or anything like that.
00:27:50 Guys can have the motivation in different ways.
00:27:53 And he brought that edge that I think they definitely kind of lack now.
00:27:58 And it was something that you just kind of need those guys like a Martian, right?
00:28:03 For the Bruins, right?
00:28:04 >> Yeah, very much like that.
00:28:06 >> Like him in practice.
00:28:07 >> Do you think they're missing one of those guys right now?
00:28:10 I mean, obviously a team that's 311 is missing a whole lot.
00:28:13 But I'm thinking now off the top of my head, Glenn, you mentioned Joudan.
00:28:16 Her gone, he's around, but he's like out of the picture.
00:28:19 And that's how they would have it.
00:28:20 Just a guy with a little more salt, like a little more FU.
00:28:23 Like Peppers has brought that.
00:28:24 But in that same guy, Giants game you referenced,
00:28:26 he's telling Saquon Barkley, you lucky we asked, man.
00:28:29 >> Yeah. >> Cuz we're terrible.
00:28:31 So I guess it's hard to have that.
00:28:32 But I think back of those kind of small moments that just get you going when you
00:28:36 need something.
00:28:37 Like this team falls behind and that's it.
00:28:39 Or am I missing someone?
00:28:40 I mean, you guys get to talk to players.
00:28:42 Like even Jonathan Jones has got a little more salt than maybe the rest of us know.
00:28:45 But it's been hard to spot this year.
00:28:46 >> I 100% agree, right?
00:28:50 Like I think, and this is something Glenn and I have talked about.
00:28:54 The offensive line, we love those guys, right?
00:28:57 >> Yeah. >> And for years,
00:28:59 they had an attitude.
00:29:01 Like I can remember, I'll go back again to Matt Light, that crew.
00:29:05 They're playing in Detroit against the Dominican Sioux.
00:29:08 There's a couple other good defensive linemen for the Lions.
00:29:10 But the Lions were really dirty, right?
00:29:13 So everybody knew that going in.
00:29:16 So I'm watching this, and there's a number of times where these guys are going at it.
00:29:20 Mankins, Light, and towards the end of plays,
00:29:23 punches are being thrown in each other's guts, right?
00:29:27 So a guy would throw a punch and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:29 And so then I'm following them off to the sideline thinking they're gonna be,
00:29:34 Light and all those guys are gonna be like, what the?
00:29:38 And I go over there, they're laughing.
00:29:40 They're all laughing about it.
00:29:42 And I asked them about it later, and they were like, yeah,
00:29:45 we knew that was literally gonna be a fist fight.
00:29:47 So we were like, let's have some fun.
00:29:50 Let's get our shots in.
00:29:52 >> Was that the game when, was it Sioux?
00:29:56 Someone stepped on Mankins' hand when he was on the ground, and
00:30:00 Mankins just steamed the guy right in the crotch.
00:30:04 I thought it was Sioux, but it might not have been.
00:30:07 >> But that's the thing, right?
00:30:09 >> That's just angry.
00:30:10 >> Their line always had an attitude, a nastiness about it, right?
00:30:15 And the line, just focusing on them right now, they don't have that.
00:30:20 There isn't a guy on offense that does it.
00:30:23 Like you mentioned Peppers on defense.
00:30:25 There used to be layers of those guys, and you need that in football, right?
00:30:30 You need those guys that are, the guy at work that you're like,
00:30:35 this frigging guy, you know what I mean?
00:30:38 >> A little piss and vinegar.
00:30:39 >> Yeah, he's the guy that calls three fouls when you're playing pick up
00:30:42 basketball, and you're like, okay, yeah, they need that guy.
00:30:45 Who just is always just a total grinder and a prick.
00:30:48 >> Right, right.
00:30:50 There's no identity on that offense.
00:30:52 There's no prickliness.
00:30:54 There's no, yeah, there's just, and that's an element you have to have.
00:30:59 If you're not gonna be the most talented team, right, which they're usually not,
00:31:04 then you better be tougher than everybody, and you better be smarter than everybody.
00:31:09 >> Yeah, it's like they need to take a guy like Keon White and
00:31:12 make him a tackle, cuz he's nasty.
00:31:15 He's quiet, but he is nasty.
00:31:18 >> Right, yeah.
00:31:19 >> They need some nastiness on that offense.
00:31:19 >> Certainly leads a team in post-Whistle, what do they call them,
00:31:22 gently, the extracurriculars of other teams.
00:31:25 >> Yeah, yeah.
00:31:26 >> Playing to the echo of the whistle.
00:31:27 >> You just got here, can you not make a mess?
00:31:29 Have you seen the scoreboard?
00:31:30 Which in some ways, play to the whistle, fight through it.
00:31:33 But the guy, even in the preseason, is just in the middle of stuff,
00:31:36 get kicked out of joint practices in a way that you're like, we'll see how that goes.
00:31:41 But on the offensive line,
00:31:42 we can't stop this conversation without giving a little love.
00:31:45 It's the guy you guys love more than each other, I think, David Andrews.
00:31:50 Captain, you wanna talk about smart?
00:31:52 That dude is as tough as they come.
00:31:53 We've given Hunter Henry his flowers.
00:31:55 I've seen David limp out of the locker room on a Friday,
00:31:57 come to play on Sunday, play really well.
00:31:59 He's tremendous in a way I don't think a lot of people know,
00:32:02 and not even from a media standpoint, just a regular dude.
00:32:05 And I've had people on the team, teammates, people on staff tell me that.
00:32:09 He is the best among us, from what you guys know,
00:32:12 having hung out with him plenty.
00:32:14 Why is that?
00:32:14 >> Well, he's handsome.
00:32:17 >> Yeah. >> He's smart.
00:32:18 >> Beautiful beard.
00:32:20 >> He has a beautiful beard, and he's got the flow, the hair.
00:32:23 But I guess- >> He has hockey flow.
00:32:25 >> But he does have more substance to that, doesn't he?
00:32:28 Really, I mean, anybody that can put up with our shenanigans,
00:32:32 and every time we go up to Dave, he's just good to go.
00:32:39 Whatever it is that we're up to.
00:32:42 >> Yeah, what was it?
00:32:43 >> A couple of weeks ago, we were in the locker room, and we were just hanging out,
00:32:47 and there was randomly a fork right by a trash can.
00:32:51 Bill goes, hey Dave, we got a fork.
00:32:53 And he goes, we need some cake now.
00:32:57 >> [LAUGH] >> He just walked into the equipment room.
00:33:01 >> He's just- >> Yeah, he's that southern kind of,
00:33:05 like you said.
00:33:06 But there's, I mean, remember him explaining to us about
00:33:11 the different touch from the quarterbacks, right?
00:33:16 On his ass when he's hiking the ball.
00:33:19 >> Yeah, cuz we asked him, you have a weird job, just in terms of what happens.
00:33:24 You have a man's hand in your undercarriage, probably 90% of your job.
00:33:29 What's that about?
00:33:31 He broke down how Brady's hands were different.
00:33:35 And who was the backup?
00:33:37 It was, God, Hoyer.
00:33:39 >> Hoyer, yeah.
00:33:40 >> Yeah, Hoyer was one of them, yeah.
00:33:42 >> And he openly talked about, if his ass was sweaty,
00:33:47 Brady made him wear a towel.
00:33:49 >> Yeah, I'm so glad you said that, because you remember Nick Underhill?
00:33:53 I mean, he covered the team back, second part of the dynasty.
00:33:55 He was back here for 19, wrote for the Athletic.
00:33:57 He wrote a story that was probably the most read of any story any of us wrote
00:34:01 that season, and it was about Swamp Ass.
00:34:03 And I remember him going up to Brady, who did his media availability,
00:34:07 would say hello in the locker room, was very nice, but no one really talked to.
00:34:09 He was Tom Brady.
00:34:10 He was, Moose, as you described, he was God Tom Brady,
00:34:13 as opposed to just teammate or guy that you covered.
00:34:15 >> Yeah. >> And Nick goes up and says,
00:34:17 hey, Tom, I'm Nick, I'm doing a story, it's about Swamp Ass.
00:34:20 [LAUGH] You got Brady on the record, you got David, and
00:34:23 it was all the things that he needed to do to get around the Swamp Ass,
00:34:27 playing in Miami, the extra towels.
00:34:29 How deep did your conversations go with David about that?
00:34:32 Because we can laugh, and he had so many synonyms in this story,
00:34:36 which I think about way more than I should, at least once a week.
00:34:39 He called it a little extra butter.
00:34:42 [LAUGH] How long did your conversation go?
00:34:46 It sounds like you could have been quoted in this same story.
00:34:49 >> Yeah, no, he described how he had the layers, tucked the towel in, but
00:34:54 part of it had to be out so that when Brady's hand would go in there,
00:34:58 it would be up against the towel and not the sweaty butt on.
00:35:02 >> Yeah, and some of it was in the pants.
00:35:05 I mean, it's a whole routine, and when Tom Brady tells you what to do,
00:35:09 you listen.
00:35:10 >> A lot of powder involved, a lot of things.
00:35:14 >> A lot of ins and outs.
00:35:16 >> Yeah, a lot of ins.
00:35:18 >> Right, exactly, exactly.
00:35:20 And I think the thing about Dave, so
00:35:24 he's a tough dude, as tough as they come, right?
00:35:27 Like you said, injured, the whole thing.
00:35:29 But then the charity work that he does, so we go to the Patriots host,
00:35:35 some sick kids at the stadium, and they're all there, it was during Halloween.
00:35:42 So, Mac Jones shows up in a Buzz Lightyear costume, right?
00:35:49 And then all of a sudden, so
00:35:52 does Dave Andrews, shows up like Buzz Lightyear, right?
00:35:57 So you're looking, and his beard is coming out of his hair,
00:36:03 and everything's just coming out of the front of the Buzz Lightyear.
00:36:06 >> Yeah, cuz it was one of the store-bought ones.
00:36:09 >> Yeah, it just was so wrong.
00:36:11 And I can remember saying to Matt Slater, I'm like, what do we got going on here?
00:36:16 He goes, we were just dying because we were looking at him going,
00:36:20 he's the Buzz Lightyear in the future.
00:36:24 So in the future, that's him, that's what Mac Jones grows up to be,
00:36:28 is like Dave Andrews, you know?
00:36:31 And I asked Andrews, what's with the costume?
00:36:34 And classic Dave, he's like, well, it's my kid's favorite character, so
00:36:38 I had to do it, right?
00:36:39 So the guy's just so grounded, that's what you appreciate about him.
00:36:46 He would have fit into any of those old offensive lines in a second.
00:36:51 >> Yeah, another one of my favorite stories about him,
00:36:55 it was that game that they lost.
00:36:57 Remember the game they lost in Miami, where they had the lateral,
00:37:00 the miracle in Miami, all the laterals, and Kronk missed the tackle.
00:37:04 I mean, it was a morgue in that locker room after the game, and
00:37:08 Brady's daughter was in there.
00:37:11 And she was this just super cute little girl, high squeaky voice, and
00:37:15 she goes up to him, and she's like, hey, what's your name?
00:37:19 And he just goes, Dave.
00:37:20 [LAUGH]
00:37:21 She's like, hi, and he's like, hi.
00:37:24 And she goes, Kronk is my favorite player.
00:37:28 I'm gonna sit next to him on the plane.
00:37:30 And Andrews, he could have taken it a million different ways, and
00:37:35 he's just like, okay, great, have a good time, it was nice to meet you.
00:37:38 And she goes, bye, Dave, just walks away.
00:37:42 It was just like, I mean, talk about a guy who just, he just gets it, and
00:37:47 he's very appreciative, and what is he, his uncle is Dan Reed?
00:37:52 Not his technical uncle, but he grew up in it, and he gets it, and
00:37:57 he treats people with respect, and that's- >> I have to say one thing, okay,
00:38:02 that's bugged me since the end of last year, right?
00:38:06 Is that, why does Dave Andrews keep being the first guy
00:38:12 out at the podium to talk?
00:38:15 The guy gets the first wave of all of our questions that we should read.
00:38:19 >> He's a pro.
00:38:20 >> He's a pro.
00:38:21 >> And this is not to just continue the love fest for
00:38:24 David Andrews for the sake of it, or you guys are friends with him, or
00:38:26 he's been very good to me, that's just a fact.
00:38:28 I mean, the guy has taken pointed questions from me and
00:38:31 others just being like, how come you can't score ten points?
00:38:34 Or the messaging has been this from Bill, why do you continue to stand by him?
00:38:38 Which isn't to try to get an answer out of him, it's just to ask the questions
00:38:41 that I'm thinking of, figuring the fan at home is thinking of.
00:38:44 And so he's there first, there is a part of him, cuz he said this.
00:38:48 It just wants to get out of the way, but he's a captain.
00:38:50 He's on an offense that's at fault, and he says, look, I get to do this.
00:38:54 It's a privilege.
00:38:55 I work hard.
00:38:56 I might as well stand by my team.
00:38:57 And I think Dan Reeves even said something to him about why you do it,
00:39:00 because Steve Buckley, the athletic growth story,
00:39:02 he didn't answer the question, he just said, why the hell does he do this?
00:39:05 But being first is not just a first player.
00:39:08 He goes before Belichick and goes out there.
00:39:11 And I think that's a lot of respect and a lot of guts and
00:39:13 a lot of admiration I think he has to go out there first and speak for the team.
00:39:17 Even if folks at home go, yeah, or people next to him go,
00:39:20 why is David Andrews talking?
00:39:21 And this wasn't his fault, he was the center.
00:39:23 But he feels that obligation, and he fulfills it every damn week.
00:39:27 >> Yeah, it's like watching the first wave hit the beach at Normandy.
00:39:33 You're just like, I just don't wanna watch this, week after week.
00:39:39 That bugs me a little bit.
00:39:41 It's like, I just think Bill should be the first guy.
00:39:44 The head coach should be the first guy out there,
00:39:48 cuz to me that's just the way it should be.
00:39:52 But- >> Yeah.
00:39:52 >> Yeah.
00:39:53 >> Yeah, all right, let's circle back to the sideline.
00:39:56 We had the best motivators, guys that reach you, just a couple of words.
00:40:00 They got you ready to run through a brick wall or
00:40:02 go pound the dolphins, the Jaguars, remember.
00:40:04 Of course, there are coaches and players who are not as talented,
00:40:07 not as wordsmith like a Julian Edelman or Matt Leiter or Tom Brady.
00:40:11 Without outing someone in a way that's terribly negative, but
00:40:15 we'll just put it this way.
00:40:16 So and so is not going to be a motivational speaker when their time in
00:40:19 football ends.
00:40:20 Is there anyone who you just look and go, maybe a little less is more?
00:40:25 >> I mean, the thing that comes to mind to me last year was all the stuff,
00:40:34 like Matt Patricia would be out pregame.
00:40:36 And he would be out and he would be high fiving all the receivers and
00:40:41 trying to pump everybody up.
00:40:43 And I don't want to say it was for effect because it wasn't.
00:40:48 He was genuinely trying to get those guys motivated.
00:40:51 But I think we all know that was a pretty tough sell last year.
00:40:55 And it might not have been the best fit.
00:40:57 But it just, I think rang hollow is a strong phrase,
00:41:05 but it didn't seem to fit the way that you would think it would, I guess.
00:41:09 >> Was it natural?
00:41:10 >> Yeah, yeah.
00:41:11 >> Mine is, and I'm going back a little bit, but
00:41:16 I think they still have this ongoing issue, right?
00:41:19 Dante Skarnacki leaving, right?
00:41:22 His style and what he did, this was one of those things you asked,
00:41:25 like things that we see.
00:41:26 And I'll get to the other part of this to answer your question.
00:41:33 But setting it up, we would watch Dante on the sidelines.
00:41:37 And he had this thing where the guys would come off, and
00:41:41 no matter how badly things were going, he would always let the offensive lineman
00:41:46 get to the bench, sit down, get a minute to decompress, have a drink, whatever.
00:41:51 And then he got in there, and it was just business, right?
00:41:55 So it was, guys, they're not doing anything we didn't talk about this week.
00:42:01 Okay, it's this, this, and this, let's go, right?
00:42:05 So they responded to that, right?
00:42:10 When Dave DiGuglielmo took over, his style was very different.
00:42:16 So guys weren't even off the field, and he was already right there in their face,
00:42:21 kinda letting them know what they screwed up.
00:42:24 And you could see the guys were just, they were tuning them out.
00:42:29 There was no focusing on that.
00:42:30 And so maybe coming from Scar, I mean, who could live up to that, right?
00:42:36 And that style probably works in other places or other situations.
00:42:42 But in that situation, it had the opposite effect.
00:42:47 Guys started to tune them out.
00:42:49 And I think that's where the coaching with the offensive line
00:42:55 just hasn't been cohesive.
00:42:57 And I think that's a key point of, I mean, if you can't get those guys right,
00:43:03 in the right frame of mind, you got problems.
00:43:07 >> Yeah, Goudreau's here, what, 13 and 14, or I think 14 and 15?
00:43:12 Yeah, it was 14, 15, and then Scar came back.
00:43:14 And I think it's a good parallel.
00:43:16 Part of it, the guy's a living legend, but there's also an element of,
00:43:20 you're gonna receive the energy that you put out there,
00:43:23 especially in the heat of battle.
00:43:24 If you want people to stay even keeled, stay effing even keeled, if not,
00:43:28 then you're gonna get that kind of up and down response.
00:43:30 And if it's not motivating inherently to those guys,
00:43:33 it's kind of in your face screaming, which they're pros,
00:43:35 that was a veteran line that he had.
00:43:38 Then they're gonna, like you said, kind of tune you out.
00:43:40 >> No doubt, no doubt.
00:43:42 And I think that, I mean,
00:43:47 these guys are like the alphas of the alphas, right?
00:43:50 Like think about the best high school player you ever played with, or college,
00:43:55 the best college player, and these guys are so much better than that guy, right?
00:44:02 And so these guys come up, they are the alphas, right?
00:44:05 And I'll give you just a cross sports for a minute.
00:44:11 Paul Pierce was not a great leader, right?
00:44:15 So he was a great player.
00:44:17 But then when Kevin Garnett came, he did all those captain things that you
00:44:22 wanted a captain to do, like he set the tone, he let guys know,
00:44:26 which then allowed like Paul Pierce to stop trying to be this vocal leader
00:44:31 that he really wasn't, and let him fit in the spot that he's supposed to be, right?
00:44:36 So I think that goes like kind of to team building, right?
00:44:41 Like if you build the right team, and you have the right players, guys fit in,
00:44:46 and can make their impact those ways.
00:44:51 So you don't have to have guys kind of forcing that role when it's really
00:44:56 not their role.
00:44:58 - Yeah.
00:44:59 David Andrews, taking out of this conversation, but really quickly,
00:45:02 who would make the best cameraman on the team right now?
00:45:07 - I think Dietrich.
00:45:08 - Dietrich?
00:45:10 - He actually did it last year.
00:45:12 He took a camera from Nick Sapienza from Channel 7, and he's like,
00:45:16 he's genuinely a curious guy.
00:45:19 Like, "Hey, how does this work?"
00:45:21 And he was like looking through the viewfinder and really doing it.
00:45:23 And he's like, he's got the right temperament to do it too.
00:45:27 Super nice guy, and like he's one of us.
00:45:30 He's honorary.
00:45:31 - And he's got the height.
00:45:32 The height helps when you're a camera guy.
00:45:34 - Right.
00:45:34 - Because you can get over, I don't know, all these rider types,
00:45:37 you know what I mean?
00:45:38 I don't know.
00:45:39 - A bunch of losers up front.
00:45:40 - Yeah, you know.
00:45:40 - These guys, you know, instaing wretches.
00:45:42 - Yeah, they're with their phones.
00:45:43 - Yeah.
00:45:43 - With their little iPhones.
00:45:44 Yeah, yeah.
00:45:45 - Right, right, right, right.
00:45:47 So let me ask you this, right?
00:45:50 - Yeah.
00:45:51 - Do you feel now the pressure to be a camera guy?
00:45:56 I see you guys shooting things in practice and in the locker room that you
00:46:01 never had to before.
00:46:03 So because of social media, do you feel a different pressure to cover
00:46:08 the team differently than you had in the past?
00:46:13 - Yeah, I don't think it's actively on my mind, but if you look at, I think,
00:46:16 how the best content or the content with the most engagement is consumed,
00:46:20 it's all small videos.
00:46:22 It could be Twitter, obviously, Instagram reels, TikTok, like that does the best
00:46:25 because you don't have to write out, "Here's everything I saw."
00:46:28 Just show them the video.
00:46:30 Now, I am also self-aware enough to go, "I suck at the camera part," so like I can
00:46:35 have it through the binoculars.
00:46:37 And then people go, "Oh, did you shoot that with your iPotato 4?"
00:46:40 Like, "Yes, I did."
00:46:41 - Yeah, did you shoot it underwater?
00:46:42 - My phone is old, it's purple.
00:46:44 I didn't choose for either of those things, but I didn't really want to drop a grand
00:46:47 on a new phone.
00:46:47 So it's purple and it's like four years old.
00:46:50 Mark Daniels is excellent at this, Matt Slye.
00:46:52 I mean, mostly just the pictures.
00:46:53 But yeah, I think it's always best to shoot.
00:46:55 Though the rules have changed a little bit in the locker room, right?
00:46:57 Where like you need to be very, very tight with that shot because obviously,
00:47:01 guys are walking around naked behind, like you don't want to get any of that.
00:47:04 But they've cracked down in a way that's like even you would think safe shots kind
00:47:08 of at an angle.
00:47:08 They're like, "Oh, no, no, no, no."
00:47:09 So I just, I kind of...
00:47:11 I do it when I can while understanding this is best for me and for everyone.
00:47:16 But I'm not going to be like filling in for you guys anytime like I might have
00:47:20 Phil get sick and is not in Dallas.
00:47:22 - Yeah.
00:47:23 Well, it's changed, right?
00:47:24 So things have changed.
00:47:26 Like for us, when we do our camera guy interviews, they like us to use the phone.
00:47:32 They feel like it's just more natural looking, right?
00:47:35 And talking to...so at each game, the NFL has their own shooters, right?
00:47:41 That are on the sidelines for social media.
00:47:44 They have NFL films, which is legit, right?
00:47:47 But then they have these guys that are just there with their cell phones, right?
00:47:50 - You have a rivalry with them?
00:47:51 Is there any heated here?
00:47:54 - Well, it's heated, but it's just sort of like you don't really worry about them
00:47:59 because they're really not getting the same stuff you are.
00:48:02 Their stuff is different.
00:48:04 But the reality is like things have changed, right?
00:48:06 So even though what we're shooting with our cameras is a much better shot, right?
00:48:13 There's something about people like right now like to consume something that looks
00:48:17 like they shot it themselves with their phone, right?
00:48:20 So like you look at that Tyreek Hill, right?
00:48:23 When he took the phone from the NFL guy, right?
00:48:27 And the flip in that whole thing and it's like, you know, that's kind of what this
00:48:32 whole thing is about, right?
00:48:33 So these guys are much more aware of social media.
00:48:37 And I think, I don't know if you agree, Andrew, but like I think these guys are way
00:48:42 more comfortable talking and talking on camera because they're coming up with that.
00:48:49 Whereas like other guys were, it used to be like really awkward.
00:48:53 Now, when you're a Patriot, you don't want to say too much, but, you know,
00:48:57 I've noticed these guys seem more comfortable.
00:48:59 I don't know if you and Glenn agree.
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00:59:25 >> I think it's the interview we did with Gronk.
00:59:31 >> The camera guys and Gronk.
00:59:37 >> Moose brought a little plastic pony about that big and Gronk wrote it.
00:59:43 >> It was a helmet shaped like a rainbow unicorn.
00:59:49 He puts the helmet on and calls the horse cinnamon.
00:59:55 He was a part owner of a horse.
01:00:01 We're like, Gronk, we have a horse for you.
01:00:07 We want you to go in on it with us.
01:00:13 He held up this toy and was like, that's great.
01:00:19 >> He was just always game.
01:00:25 We would do stuff with him and he would be like, do you want to do anything else?
01:00:31 >> He was so red.
01:00:37 We also asked him about his horse.
01:00:43 We were like, hey, what's your horse?
01:00:49 What's the deal with this horse?
01:00:55 >> He was like, you know what I mean.
01:01:01 >> Gronk was just the best.
01:01:07 >> He was awesome.
01:01:11 >> We made up a list of what are the names of actual horses.
01:01:17 One of them we said summer of '69.
01:01:23 >> We were like, no, that was the fake one.
01:01:29 >> I'll give you another good -- this was just camera guy shenanigans.
01:01:35 When the Red Sox were playing the Dodgers for the World Series, they play in --
01:01:41 we were both huge Ozark fans.
01:01:47 We had seen Jason Bateman, he would sit behind home plate in this section of its own,
01:01:53 similar to Fenway, where he would sit fairly up front.
01:01:59 We're like, oh, man, we got to talk to Bateman.
01:02:05 This is one of the things we love about these events.
01:02:11 We just try to get moments with them and catch them in a different element.
01:02:17 We have to make a plan.
01:02:21 It's like watching Abbott and Costello.
01:02:27 Remember the plan to go into the -- we were like, we'll sneak in really early and get into that section
01:02:33 and act like we're just hanging out as fans, like we're supposed to be there.
01:02:39 So Bateman comes in eventually.
01:02:45 He comes in with a buddy and he's walking down towards his seat.
01:02:51 Hey, Jason, I'm Moose, this is Glenn, we're the camera guys, NBC Sports Boston, blah, blah, blah.
01:02:59 I know you're a Dodgers fan.
01:03:03 We talk a little baseball with us.
01:03:07 When I come to the games, I'm just a fan.
01:03:11 >> Just enjoy it.
01:03:13 >> Yeah, just enjoy it.
01:03:15 We're like, oh, all right, we're just -- we're huge Ozark fans and we just love the show.
01:03:23 We were just dying to talk to you.
01:03:27 He's like, oh, so you guys are -- he's like, you guys -- he's such a talent with the cameras they use for the show.
01:03:35 Those are the red --
01:03:37 >> We use Aries too.
01:03:39 >> Yeah, right.
01:03:41 We use the blah, blah, blah.
01:03:43 We're camera guys.
01:03:45 He's like, I know you said that.
01:03:47 So like, right, right.
01:03:49 So the next thing you know, he's like, so guys, how do you like L.A.?
01:03:53 What do you think?
01:03:55 Who's this guy pitching for the Red Sox tonight?
01:03:57 I think it was Rodriguez, right?
01:03:59 What's the breakdown?
01:04:01 What's this guy like?
01:04:03 He's like, I don't know, I'm just going to go with the flow.
01:04:05 Whatever.
01:04:07 And then he's like, all right, guys, it was good hanging out with you.
01:04:09 I'll talk to you.
01:04:11 He walked away.
01:04:13 I looked at Glenn and I go, did we get turned down or not?
01:04:15 That Jason Bateman character that you see in the movies, he Jason Bateman'd us.
01:04:19 >> Yeah, he totally pulled a Michael Bluth on us and showed us the door.
01:04:25 He called us assholes but made us laugh.
01:04:27 You know what I mean?
01:04:29 >> Right, right.
01:04:31 >> So we did have our -- we got our revenge, though.
01:04:35 Revenge is a strong word.
01:04:37 >> That's right.
01:04:39 >> We had a second shot.
01:04:41 Glenn came to me and said --
01:04:43 >> He was the hasty pudding man of the year a couple years ago.
01:04:47 So we're like, oh, we got to do this.
01:04:49 Like we totally have to --
01:04:51 >> We need to get credentials.
01:04:53 >> Somehow we get credentials.
01:04:55 >> For hasty pudding.
01:04:57 >> What is hasty pudding, though?
01:04:59 I've heard the term.
01:05:01 >> It's the thing at Harvard, it's like their comedy troupe.
01:05:03 >> Oh, okay.
01:05:05 >> They put on shows and stuff and they always award a woman a year and the man of the year.
01:05:09 The man of the year goes in drag and he's in a parade and they drive him around like Harvard Square and like around Cambridge.
01:05:15 It's actually a pretty cool thing.
01:05:17 >> It's very prestigious.
01:05:19 >> Yeah, it's like a prestigious thing.
01:05:21 >> Yeah, yeah.
01:05:23 >> So we got -- of course we got credentials for it.
01:05:25 >> Yeah, they have a reception and they start -- they take a couple questions and so like we stand up and I'm like, hey, Jason, Glennon Moose, the camera guys, you might remember us from the World Series.
01:05:37 And he just kind of looks in and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, hey, guys, how you doing?
01:05:43 We were just like, yeah, so you guys kind of lucked out when you won that World Series, huh?
01:05:49 He like -- he really wanted to answer and go back and forth.
01:05:53 And we were like, oh, yeah, congratulations on getting Mookie Betts.
01:05:57 And then like one of the Harvard moderator kids was like, okay, okay, that's enough.
01:06:01 Thank you.
01:06:03 Okay, we're moving on.
01:06:05 >> I said, oh, we still haven't gotten those offers to become camera guys for Ozark.
01:06:09 He's like, did I promise you guys that?
01:06:11 He's like, oh, yeah, okay, we'll definitely -- I'll have my people reach out to your people.
01:06:17 And then this one, the Harvard guy cut him off again.
01:06:19 He's like, okay, let's ask -- anybody else with another question?
01:06:21 >> Does anybody else have a question?
01:06:23 Anybody else with another question?
01:06:25 >> But we got our time with him.
01:06:27 We got our time.
01:06:29 >> Yeah, we got our quarry.
01:06:31 >> I love that.
01:06:33 I can't wait for round three.
01:06:35 Like this is going to be a perfect dismount whenever you see him next.
01:06:37 Go to a Rams game or --
01:06:39 >> If the Smartless podcast comes back on tour, there's a chance.
01:06:41 >> Celtics-Lakers?
01:06:43 >> Celtics-Lakers.
01:06:45 >> Christmas Day coming up.
01:06:47 >> Right, right.
01:06:49 >> Does like to sit courtside.
01:06:51 >> You guys go courtside.
01:06:53 >> Oh, yeah.
01:06:55 We -- I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen the camera guys.
01:06:59 We used to do some animated ones.
01:07:01 And so one of our favorites was the Dustin Padroia one.
01:07:07 >> Oh, gosh.
01:07:09 >> What year was it, Glenn?
01:07:11 >> It was '08.
01:07:13 '08 in Anaheim.
01:07:15 >> In Anaheim.
01:07:17 >> So the game starts.
01:07:19 And we're like, where do we go to sit?
01:07:23 And the usher was like, oh, right this way, gentlemen.
01:07:27 And he takes us down to the front row, first baseline.
01:07:31 >> Right behind the photo pit.
01:07:33 >> Yeah.
01:07:35 >> Incredible seats.
01:07:37 >> We're like, oh, okay.
01:07:39 >> We belong here.
01:07:41 >> Yeah.
01:07:43 A waiter, garcon.
01:07:45 Can we get one of those drinks with an umbrella in it, please?
01:07:47 So we're sitting there eating popcorn.
01:07:49 This is amazing, right?
01:07:51 And they're getting their -- they are just getting their head knocked in.
01:07:55 >> Smoked.
01:07:57 It was like 11 to 2 or something.
01:07:59 >> Smoked.
01:08:01 So somebody had just hit a home run.
01:08:03 He's rounding the bases.
01:08:05 >> Torrey Hunter.
01:08:07 >> Torrey Hunter.
01:08:09 There you go.
01:08:11 And all of a sudden, you could just see Padroia doing one of these.
01:08:13 And we're like, oh, Padroia looks pissed, huh?
01:08:15 You know, like, yeah.
01:08:17 So the next day, they have their workout.
01:08:19 We're sitting in the dugout.
01:08:21 And he comes -- remember, Glenn?
01:08:23 >> He comes like he always did.
01:08:25 He comes flying out the dugout steps to go do his workout.
01:08:29 >> He's in uniform at like 8 in the morning.
01:08:31 >> And he just, like, stops.
01:08:33 Like he was in like a dead sprint.
01:08:35 He stops.
01:08:37 And he looks over at us like this.
01:08:39 And he goes, yeah, so I watched Torrey Hunter crush a home run.
01:08:41 And I look over, and I see you two assholes in the front row.
01:08:43 That didn't make it any better.
01:08:45 And he just runs out and starts doing his work.
01:08:47 >> And then he stops again and he goes, do you guys even work?
01:08:49 Like, what are you doing?
01:08:51 What are you doing?
01:08:53 And it really was -- you don't even try to answer him.
01:08:55 You're just like, I know, Dustin.
01:08:57 I know.
01:08:59 >> You're right, Dustin.
01:09:01 >> Right.
01:09:03 >> Laser show.
01:09:05 >> Oh, the best.
01:09:07 Like, I'm going to go to the bathroom.
01:09:09 >> Oh, the best.
01:09:11 Look, I wanted to just have story time.
01:09:13 And the fact that I think we got in all four major sports in Boston.
01:09:15 Jason Bateman made an appearance.
01:09:17 Somehow the David Andrews love only lasted ten minutes.
01:09:19 Odds were on FanDuel that it would have gone much higher.
01:09:21 This was awesome.
01:09:23 I don't know if I'm going to the Onerage meetings or if you guys are going to, but we will do this again here coming up one more time.
01:09:33 >> Oh, that would be awesome, Andrew.
01:09:35 >> Because this has been fantastic.
01:09:37 >> Thank you so much.
01:09:39 It was a blast.
01:09:41 >> Between us, we have about 50 years of story.
01:09:43 So we always have a good -- we always like story time.
01:09:45 >> And a fistful of head hair.
01:09:47 >> Yeah.
01:09:49 Fair enough.
01:09:51 >> We all have the very same handsome haircut.
01:09:53 This is definitely the most handsome ever that I've had here.
01:09:55 Excellent.
01:09:57 All right.
01:09:59 Bill, Glenn, it's been fantastic.
01:10:01 I will see you tomorrow bright and early for Bill choking us from four o'clock in the morning.
01:10:03 >> 9 o'clock availability.
01:10:05 >> All right, man.
01:10:07 Thanks, Andrew.
01:10:09 >> Thank you, Andrew.
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