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00:00:00 All right, welcome into a live edition of the Patriot Nation podcast.
00:00:06 Of course, this is an instant reaction to the Patriots' loss to the Chiefs on Sunday
00:00:13 at Gillette Stadium.
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00:00:23 Matt, it wasn't always pretty, but the Patriots kind of competed, I guess, really only in
00:00:30 the first half, but they kind of competed and made it close.
00:00:33 It was at least a semi-entertaining Patriots game.
00:00:38 Yeah, it was kind of, I think, what you would expect.
00:00:43 When they were reasonably healthy to start the game, it was competitive and it was close.
00:00:48 Patriots had the lead for a stretch.
00:00:50 And then once the wheels fell off, it got back to the Patriots we've kind of known all
00:00:55 year long.
00:00:56 But defense was good enough and resilient in there and gave you a chance to win it.
00:01:00 And we knew the offense probably wasn't going to be good enough unless the defense pushed
00:01:04 to some crazy degree.
00:01:05 And credit, I thought the Chiefs were really good in the red zone today in a way that they
00:01:12 haven't necessarily been this season.
00:01:14 I think Andy Reid brought out some stuff to cash in some of those scoring opportunities
00:01:18 because they knew they'd need the fancy stuff to score against this defense.
00:01:22 And it worked and the Patriots weren't ready for it.
00:01:24 And then it all...
00:01:26 That was awesome.
00:01:29 And yeah, who had Jarrick McKinnon first passing touchdown of the game?
00:01:34 If you had that as a prop, you win.
00:01:37 But yeah, no, I mean, I think it was, it all kind of swung in the middle eight, which is
00:01:44 where the Patriots have struggled this year.
00:01:46 They're forced to fumble.
00:01:48 It doesn't count.
00:01:49 We can talk about the officiating.
00:01:50 That's not that didn't determine the outcome, but not good.
00:01:54 But the Chiefs kick, I think a field goal on that drive.
00:01:58 And then you get the touchdown drive coming out of the half and then you immediately get
00:02:03 the pick and that's not right.
00:02:06 You had a chance and you blew it, but even having a chance in this one through 30 minutes,
00:02:10 I think you feel good about at least some of the pieces on the team.
00:02:13 Right, right.
00:02:14 So, by the way, sorry, we're a little bit late.
00:02:17 We got some technical difficulties.
00:02:18 And so we got started a little bit late, but look, I mean, the hard thing for me is that
00:02:28 the defense and oh man, mom says it like if they had a middle of the pack offense and
00:02:32 we talked about this before the season, we projected them to win 10 or 11 games.
00:02:36 And we did that because we thought if you get the offense to number 15 in the league,
00:02:41 you'd be a playoff team.
00:02:42 Right.
00:02:43 And they would be a playoff team if they could be if they were number 15, number 15
00:02:47 offense in the league.
00:02:48 And you saw what Billy Zeppeli did last year, last week.
00:02:52 Right.
00:02:53 Now, he only did, he only played well in the first half, but it was enough.
00:02:55 I put on the first half again this week, it was not enough.
00:02:59 Right.
00:03:00 And so, I mean, that pass, my God, if it wasn't for the Mack Jones interception in Germany,
00:03:08 that'd be in the running for the worst pass of the season.
00:03:09 I mean, that's just like, no, what you doing?
00:03:12 What are you doing?
00:03:13 Yeah.
00:03:14 Yeah.
00:03:15 And it's, there's something really funny in here too, about the fact that Bailey Zappi
00:03:18 gets bailed out by his wide receivers in a way that Mack Jones never does either.
00:03:23 Right.
00:03:24 That, that jump ball to Devontae Parker.
00:03:27 That was, that was like, that was no, we have T Higgins at home.
00:03:32 That's what that play was.
00:03:33 And it was just the worst version of that play.
00:03:37 But it was also just like, like he just wouldn't do that for Mack Jones.
00:03:40 Like that doesn't, it doesn't happen.
00:03:43 And even, you know, that fourth down touchdown pass to Hunter Henry, the throw kind of missed.
00:03:48 There was just a big enough window that you could miss and still get it in there.
00:03:50 And Henry made a nice adjustment to it.
00:03:52 I thought that was, I thought that was bad.
00:03:54 And I, I guess I got to look at it again.
00:03:55 I thought Willie game in a bad play.
00:03:57 I thought he stopped and jumped instead of continuing to run.
00:04:00 I thought he had an opportunity to pick it off or at least knock it away.
00:04:04 And he just misplayed it in my opinion.
00:04:05 Now I could be wrong about that, but that's what I, that's what I thought.
00:04:08 No, I agree with that.
00:04:10 And I think there's with Zappy, it's, he's a good enough quarterback that for a drive
00:04:16 or two drives or three drives or maybe four drives, you know, you're not going to see
00:04:19 the bad plays and you know, the, the mistakes will be close enough that you can work with
00:04:24 it.
00:04:25 Right.
00:04:26 But the rest of it is just not, it's not, you know, NFL starting caliber material.
00:04:31 And I think we knew that and it's, you know, the Zappy's out there trying his hardest and
00:04:34 he's working and I think we've seen improvements from him, but he doesn't, he really does not
00:04:38 have the accuracy that it takes and maybe the decision-making gets there with more experience,
00:04:44 but it just isn't there right now.
00:04:45 Look, I think, I think we, you've seen, and I have seen enough from him to think that
00:04:52 he's deserved the spot as the backup quarterback for the Patriots next year.
00:04:58 That's what I believe.
00:04:59 I think he's deserved, he's earned that spot, but he's certainly not a starting quarterback
00:05:05 in the NFL league.
00:05:08 And so I'm not going to be in the NFL league in the, in the, I'd say he's, I'd say he's
00:05:13 at least earned like to be in the competition for the backup spot, right?
00:05:16 Because the only other thing is, I think, you know, I guess, yeah.
00:05:20 You look at where the Patriots are and if we assume that they're going to have a top
00:05:24 three pick here, you look at the quarterback situation, there's no way they're coming out
00:05:29 of this draft with a quarterback and they're coming out of this first round with a quarterback.
00:05:33 If this, the next three games goes the way we expect it to, then in some ways the draft
00:05:38 starts at pick like 35 for the Patriots.
00:05:41 There's just no way they're not going to take a quarterback with how the quarterback situation
00:05:44 looks if one of these guys is there.
00:05:46 There's just no way that happens.
00:05:48 And if that's the case, then it might be, all right, we're going to bring in a veteran
00:05:51 because we want to mentor for the quarterback.
00:05:53 And if that's the way you want to go, then Zappy might not stick around, but in that
00:05:57 case you can ship them off and I don't know, you probably get like a sixth round pick back
00:06:01 for him or something.
00:06:02 It's not going to be something crazy, but some team will send you something or you get
00:06:06 a pick swap out of it.
00:06:07 Like you send a sixth, they send you a fifth.
00:06:08 He's a backup quarterback, right?
00:06:09 He's a backup quarterback.
00:06:11 It's one of those situations where like to have a guy that can step in and play okay
00:06:17 for a short period of time.
00:06:18 I mean, Jacoby Percet is kind of a similar guy.
00:06:20 I took it that Jacoby Percet is a better quarterback, but like.
00:06:23 Who played well today for a while.
00:06:26 But again, it's one of those things where like he steps in as the backup and plays well.
00:06:31 If he starts the game, does he play that well when he's in there?
00:06:34 Probably not.
00:06:35 Right.
00:06:36 He can step in and play and play well.
00:06:37 And so that's that's the question I think is it can Zappy be that type of guy?
00:06:42 I think he can be.
00:06:43 It's just again, we're talking about a backup.
00:06:45 You know what I mean?
00:06:47 So you know, it's just it is what it is.
00:06:50 And ultimately, I think what's happened is that Mac Jones, the team has lost faith in
00:06:58 Mac Jones.
00:06:59 Clearly Mac Jones has lost faith in Mac Jones.
00:07:01 The Patriots were just awful, god awful under Mac.
00:07:05 And at least it's watchable with Zappy.
00:07:08 It looks like a functional offense.
00:07:10 Now it's still not great, but it looks like at least a semi-functional offense with Zappy
00:07:16 out there.
00:07:17 And it just wasn't that with Mac out there.
00:07:20 Because there's poise and there's timing and Zappy hasn't been beaten in this edition the
00:07:25 way that Mac has been.
00:07:27 But you know, I'll give credit to Mac in this regard from all the reports like from warmups
00:07:33 and stuff.
00:07:34 He's very engaged with his teammates and he's loose and he's helping guys and he's doing
00:07:37 his job as a backup now and credit to him for that.
00:07:40 He's a former first round pick and a guy who's had a lot of a lot of this deck stacked against
00:07:45 him here in his job trying to be quarterback.
00:07:48 Be very easy for him to shut it down and say, I don't want to be a part of this.
00:07:52 And I don't think anybody would blame him.
00:07:54 Just the fact that he is staying around to being a good teammate, you know, credit to
00:07:57 him for that and he'll last in this league as a backup probably because of that.
00:08:03 Because I think with a fresh start, some of the timing and mental stuff will end up being
00:08:06 a little bit better for him.
00:08:07 I'll probably never be a starting quarterback, but I think he's another guy who can bounce
00:08:11 around the league and end up as a backup or a third string or be on a practice squad.
00:08:15 Like if Nathan Peterman is in the league as long as he's still in the league.
00:08:20 I think so.
00:08:21 I'm pretty sure he is.
00:08:22 Yeah.
00:08:23 So if he was in the league, Mac will stay in the league.
00:08:25 Well, it just depends on it's all about mindset, right?
00:08:28 It's all about mindset, who you are, how you how you approach.
00:08:33 How do you approach the game?
00:08:34 Right.
00:08:35 How do you approach practice?
00:08:38 What kind of guy are you in the locker room?
00:08:39 Right.
00:08:40 Do the coaches like you to players like you?
00:08:42 Right.
00:08:43 And you are you a reliable guy?
00:08:45 And are you not going to be frankly, are you not going to be, you know, you're not going
00:08:50 to have the guy looking over his shoulder.
00:08:53 Right.
00:08:54 And so I think that Matt kind of checks all those boxes, right, where he's like, he seems
00:08:59 like a good guy in the locker room.
00:09:00 The players seem to like him.
00:09:01 He works hard by all accounts.
00:09:03 He's not that good.
00:09:04 So you've got to feel like you're not you're not in danger of getting passed by a guy like
00:09:08 Matt Jones.
00:09:09 Right.
00:09:10 No one's clamoring saying, oh, my God, we had that Matt Jones up there starting.
00:09:12 It's no one's doing that, you know.
00:09:15 And this is kind of the issue with keeping Zappy around is that there are probably still
00:09:18 some people who are Zappy truthers around who are who if this team drafts a quarterback,
00:09:23 they're going to start the Zappy chance.
00:09:26 Maybe not after the way the last couple of weeks have gone.
00:09:28 Not the chance, but but they'll say he didn't get a fair shake and he never got never got
00:09:32 enough time and, you know, didn't get.
00:09:34 And it's also it's clear from the way Zappy talks to that he still thinks I got a shot
00:09:38 of being a starting quarterback in this league.
00:09:40 And again, credit to him for having that mentality.
00:09:43 It's the way you got to have it.
00:09:44 But if that's if he's a third year quarterback who started at the end of this season, who's
00:09:49 going to have that mentality and you're bringing in the number two overall pick to compete
00:09:53 with him.
00:09:54 I just don't know how well that works in the locker room.
00:09:55 And I'm not saying it would be a problem.
00:09:58 I'm just saying this is these are the things you have to think about in building it out
00:10:01 for next year.
00:10:02 And I think you I think you sit him down and have an honest conversation.
00:10:06 Look, buddy.
00:10:07 And I think he would if you know, if he looks at his performance, he's going to know it's
00:10:11 I mean, he knows already you look at the press conference, he knows it's not good enough.
00:10:14 Right.
00:10:15 And you know, they're drafting somebody at number two and he's going to know.
00:10:18 So maybe that'll work out.
00:10:19 But also, you know, it it doesn't mean you have to get rid of him.
00:10:23 But just because they get rid of him doesn't mean he's bad.
00:10:26 It might be one of those where he needs a new spot and Patriots can get an asset back
00:10:30 and you completely reset the room and you have, you know, Drake May and Joe Flacco or
00:10:36 whatever veteran quarterback you want to throw out there.
00:10:39 Yes.
00:10:40 As the backup.
00:10:41 Yeah.
00:10:42 You know, I I don't know.
00:10:43 It's interesting.
00:10:44 So and so there's a few comments that I want to just touch on about what the heck was the
00:10:52 one.
00:10:53 So John was saying the more I watch, the more I think we need an offensive tackle or two.
00:10:57 I don't I don't believe that.
00:11:01 And I know I talked to I met Murph today, Murph and Bucci.
00:11:03 We're at the game today.
00:11:04 So I met them both, which is cool.
00:11:05 I want to know that guy.
00:11:08 He wants to.
00:11:09 Well, he wants a picture.
00:11:10 He wants to go to the first round, wants them to trade down and take you all.
00:11:14 And I get it.
00:11:15 You're also a really good player and, you know, could be a franchise left tackle.
00:11:19 But like you don't have a quarterback.
00:11:22 So like if you draft a tackle in the first round.
00:11:28 I just don't know.
00:11:29 I don't know what you like.
00:11:30 What do you now then?
00:11:31 What do you do?
00:11:32 Right.
00:11:33 That's yeah.
00:11:34 That's the hard part for me.
00:11:35 If you draft a tackle in the first round, listen, they need a tackle.
00:11:36 I do think Trent Brown needs to go.
00:11:40 I think that Mike on when we should stay and, you know, no, cool.
00:11:44 Strange, of course, got hurt again today, which sucks.
00:11:46 But like, you know, I think that it's one of those situations I look at it and say,
00:11:51 all right, they need a tackle for sure.
00:11:53 I don't want them to draft one in the top of the first round.
00:11:56 I want them to sign one.
00:11:57 That's what I want them to do.
00:12:00 And so it that's it's tough, man.
00:12:03 That's that's the hard thing for me is I understand it.
00:12:05 I know they need a new left tackle.
00:12:08 Maybe they need a new right tackle too.
00:12:09 But I think on when it was good enough at right tackle, I do.
00:12:14 And you know, I just I don't know, man, I just think that.
00:12:18 I want that top five pick to be a quarterback, right, or to be Marvin Harrison Jr.
00:12:25 And then you draft a quarterback or whatever, you know.
00:12:27 Yeah, it's tough because it's offensive tackle.
00:12:30 I think long term is clearly a need, but also when healthy, they have a starting five in
00:12:36 this offensive line that is probably league average in the NFL.
00:12:40 And that's good enough to put a rookie quarterback behind.
00:12:45 Guys have been behind much worse lines than that and succeeded.
00:12:50 And honestly, it might be a better line than what Drake May has had at UNC at points this
00:12:54 season.
00:12:55 Or Caleb Williams at USC.
00:12:57 Both of those guys have dealt with a lot of pressure.
00:13:01 But that's I just I feel like you have to bring back Trent Brown and on when you because
00:13:06 they're like the two of the top three options.
00:13:08 I think if you're not getting Trent Brown, you're going to get somebody who's probably
00:13:11 worse for as inconsistent as Trent Brown is.
00:13:15 And I think the tough part about today is you lose Cole Strange.
00:13:19 And what have I been harping on for a month now, Pat, that the back half of the season
00:13:23 was huge for Cole Strange to figuring out what you have going forward.
00:13:27 And now the way that went today, that kind of feels like he's done for the season, especially
00:13:32 as we see three games left.
00:13:34 And if that's how it is, I think we all think here, regardless of what happens with Bill,
00:13:40 there's going to be somebody new in this offensive coaching staff and somebody new in the front
00:13:45 office evaluating things.
00:13:47 And we don't know what they're going to think of Cole Strange in the guard position.
00:13:51 Obviously, I don't think that is the biggest need because I think you could bring back
00:13:55 this line on paper for next season, knowing that it's a band-aid and you're kicking the
00:14:01 can down the road because you can only address so many things at a time.
00:14:04 But you might go into the 2025 draft knowing, hey, we need a left tackle and a left guard
00:14:11 here.
00:14:12 And you saw today too, it was just really bad luck.
00:14:14 You lose Cole Strange, Trent Brown can't go.
00:14:17 He's been trying to play through injury for like a month now and trying and can't get
00:14:21 it.
00:14:22 It was inactive today.
00:14:23 And then Conor McDermott goes down and you're at left tackle three and left guard two against
00:14:28 a very, very good defensive line when you're already undermanned on offense.
00:14:32 And that also felt like the point where things started to turn for the offense.
00:14:35 Once the offensive line had two, I mean, it's a chain with two weak links and you're just
00:14:39 not going to hold up.
00:14:40 But you know, I thought Moffey played pretty well.
00:14:42 I thought he really, I thought he did.
00:14:43 And of course then, you know, McDermott goes down and you got Vardarian Lowe in there,
00:14:48 which is like, you gotta be kidding me.
00:14:50 Right.
00:14:51 And so you basically end the game.
00:14:52 Right.
00:14:53 And you know what though?
00:14:54 I just feel like, I feel like what you saw in the first half was Zappy be decisive, get
00:15:01 rid of the ball, get to the bottom of his drop that put that back foot in the ground
00:15:05 and bang ball was out.
00:15:07 Right.
00:15:08 And then in the second half, I think what you saw was him holding the ball and waiting
00:15:15 to make now, maybe they, maybe they played a better, maybe the scheme was better.
00:15:18 I don't know, but it seemed like it took a lot longer for him to get the ball out in
00:15:22 the second half.
00:15:23 And I think that obviously, obviously the offensive line didn't help, but I think that's
00:15:28 a big part of why he took so many sacks at the end of the, at the end of the game, because
00:15:33 he's holding on to the ball.
00:15:34 Right.
00:15:35 And again, maybe that has more to do with, with the, with the, with the chiefs than do
00:15:39 with the Patriots.
00:15:40 But like, that seemed like a situation where it wasn't all on the offensive line there.
00:15:46 It looks like the chiefs made an adjustment and started bringing all the corner blitzes
00:15:50 because they realized the ball is coming out fast.
00:15:53 Basically all of these throws are underneath and you're asking Zappi to make one read and
00:15:58 throw it.
00:15:59 And that's it.
00:16:00 I think the chiefs realized we can, we know everything is going to be short and quick
00:16:04 so we can just play man aggressively across the board because we don't have to defend
00:16:08 any deep shots and we can bring an extra blitzer.
00:16:12 And once we cover up Zappi's first read, by the time you've resets the free rusher, the
00:16:18 corner has gotten there and has gotten that pressure.
00:16:20 And I think, I think there was a lot of that in the second half as well, which that's the
00:16:25 thing like we, when you talk about what a good offense is, we don't, we don't really
00:16:29 define what good means other than like statistical production.
00:16:33 But in terms of something like this, you know, being good in the NFL means being able to
00:16:37 do a variety of things.
00:16:39 Well, being able to attack defenses in different ways.
00:16:42 If you think about it like a very complicated game of rock, paper, scissors, the more answers
00:16:47 you can have for what the other team's going to throw at you, the more often you're going
00:16:51 to be successful, the better your production is going to be, and you're going to be a good
00:16:54 offense.
00:16:55 And I think what you saw in the first half is that with these players and this offensive
00:16:59 line and this quarterback, they can be good at distributing the ball underneath, using
00:17:03 that to open up some intermediate shots and some things in the running game and being
00:17:08 able to do that over and over.
00:17:09 And you saw that once the defense adjusted and said, we're going to do everything we
00:17:12 can to take that away, there wasn't something else they could turn to, you know, especially
00:17:16 with the offensive line out.
00:17:18 You can't go to the running game.
00:17:19 You don't have a quarterback, you trust the deep, you don't have receivers, you trust
00:17:22 deep, so you can't try to burn it with shots over the top.
00:17:27 And you can't, you couldn't protect long enough to get to some other stuff.
00:17:30 I've also noticed like there's, this has been a consistent thing since Mac came in.
00:17:37 One of the ways that you protect a quarterback, we don't have a good offensive line is you
00:17:41 roll them out and you do play action and things like that.
00:17:44 They don't really roll out Zapier, Mac Jones, and that makes me think those guys aren't
00:17:48 good or aren't trustworthy in those situations.
00:17:53 And play action is tough because if you're down by 10 points in the second half, who
00:17:58 cares about play action?
00:18:00 Defense isn't biting on that.
00:18:01 Nobody's if you run the ball and pick up five yards, who cares?
00:18:04 They just want to make sure you don't, they don't get beat over the top.
00:18:07 So you lose some of the tools that you have to actually be a defense like that.
00:18:14 And that's where I honestly thought a lot of the sacks in the second half were a receiver
00:18:18 problem.
00:18:19 The fact that you didn't have guys who could be an X factor there and you know, no Kendrick
00:18:26 Bourne who's done for the season.
00:18:27 No Juju Smith Schuster, who I talked about after the Pittsburgh game.
00:18:31 I thought that was the healthiest he looked all season.
00:18:33 What happened?
00:18:34 No, I was out.
00:18:36 Yeah, no, absolutely no idea.
00:18:38 It's crazy.
00:18:39 And Devonta Parker is back and had, you know, probably his best game of the season, second
00:18:43 best game of the season, but also that felt concentrated in like two or three drives,
00:18:47 which is how it usually is with him.
00:18:49 He's like, he's going to make a couple of plays here and there.
00:18:51 And then, you know, outside of a couple of isolated things, he's not going to consistently
00:18:55 open things up or create space.
00:18:57 Right, right.
00:18:58 So yeah, it's a mess.
00:19:00 The offense is a mess.
00:19:01 Here's what I'll say about, about the Patriots though, their defense as bad as the offense
00:19:05 has been, the defense has been good and not, not only has the defense been good, right?
00:19:13 It's the fact that you're getting these players that all of a sudden look like legitimately
00:19:19 good players.
00:19:20 Matt Wilson's had, I don't know what the hell Mack Wilson ate this year, but my God, he
00:19:25 looks like a completely different player, like a completely different player.
00:19:30 And so he looks awesome.
00:19:32 Christian barn.
00:19:33 More is incredible.
00:19:35 He's been phenomenal and you know, and he was, he's been good after getting, getting
00:19:40 after the pastor, which is really solid.
00:19:42 He's been really good against the run, like really good against the run.
00:19:48 And so I was really happy.
00:19:49 I thought he played fantastic today at a sack.
00:19:51 I think he actually had two half sacks is what I think he had, but nevertheless you
00:19:57 know, he, he had a full sack.
00:19:59 He had, I think six taxes on my dad.
00:20:01 He played great.
00:20:02 Anthony Jennings is turning into like a legitimately like really good run defender.
00:20:09 Like I feel like every time as a play for like no gain or a loss, Anthony Jennings is
00:20:13 the guy making that play.
00:20:14 Right.
00:20:15 I just like he's in the backfield all the time and he's not a great pass rusher, but
00:20:19 that's okay.
00:20:20 Like, I don't mind that he's not a great pastor because he's so good against the run.
00:20:24 I'm willing to, I'm willing to do that.
00:20:25 And so, um, you know, and you have guys like that and you're looking at the, in Keon white
00:20:31 looks like he can play.
00:20:32 And so in modular Mopu today, I just like, I have been so loud about Mopu playing linebacker
00:20:40 and like, that's like the third snap all year.
00:20:42 I've seen him play linebacker and he not only did he intercept the pass, he ripped that
00:20:47 ball away from, I don't even know who the hell the guy was.
00:20:50 Was it no gray?
00:20:51 I think I'll break that one of them.
00:20:54 Yeah.
00:20:55 Ripped that ball in his hands.
00:20:56 That was awesome.
00:20:57 Like that, that was, that's what you got to do, man.
00:20:59 It wasn't the same, but there was shades of like Teddy Brewski on Dominic Rhodes back
00:21:04 in the playoffs.
00:21:05 And it wasn't quite as iconic as that.
00:21:09 It was good.
00:21:10 I lost a three and 11 record.
00:21:13 But yeah, when I think if there's one thing I take away from the Mopu thing too, cause
00:21:18 he did that and then he gets burnt, he gets burnt later in the game for a touchdown.
00:21:22 And I see that my reaction is he needs to be playing linebacker more because you know,
00:21:29 the ability is there.
00:21:30 You just need the instincts to get to the NFL level.
00:21:32 And you're only going to do that by being out there.
00:21:33 And it's honestly, it's kind of tough because like Mopu, I think will be a really good player.
00:21:39 Eventually it's, you know, he plays two positions where it's usually a tough transition to the
00:21:43 NFL.
00:21:44 Um, but there are also positions where the Patriots are loaded.
00:21:49 Who saw Mack Wilson becoming this good of an asset.
00:21:53 Jelani Tavai becoming one of the better linebackers in the NFL is the way he's played this year.
00:21:59 Yeah.
00:22:00 Um, Jawan Bentley being as good as he is.
00:22:02 And you got all the standup outside linebackers and then you got Duggar and Pepper's patrol
00:22:06 in the secondary.
00:22:07 And like you haven't mentioned Adrian Phillips in here who feels like he's kind of fallen
00:22:10 by the wayside this season, but who's also a productive and useful player back there.
00:22:15 And uh, Mopu is another guy in a group within embarrassment of riches out there, which,
00:22:21 you know, I think in some ways does make you question the draft pick when you have that
00:22:24 much talent at those spots and the way you want to handle it going forward.
00:22:28 I had that much talent there though.
00:22:30 I mean, especially at linebacker, you looked at Matt, I looked at Matt Wilson going in
00:22:33 this year thinking this guy can't play and you know, Jelani Tavai is a good player, but
00:22:38 he's only a run defender and you know, Jawan Bentley's past coverage got better last year,
00:22:44 but he's still not really that good.
00:22:46 Right.
00:22:47 Tavai has become actually one of the better, at least per PFF, which I know there's, you
00:22:51 know, we can talk about how he's become one of the better pass defenders as a linebacker,
00:22:56 which I, that is just like, you never would have seen that coming from him.
00:23:00 But I think this is, this is one of the things too that's kind of frustrating is that in
00:23:04 some ways they're like team building approach to um, linebacker isn't that far off from
00:23:10 like our team building approach for a wide receiver.
00:23:12 The reality is, but at linebacker you get a bunch of these guys who ended up being really
00:23:16 good players and wide receiver.
00:23:18 They're all not great.
00:23:20 And that's kind of the luck.
00:23:21 Some of it's the luck and some of it I think is, is absolutely the coaching.
00:23:25 So I'm assuming, by the way, we're talking about linebacker and coaching.
00:23:29 I'm assuming you saw the headline that Greg Bedard ran earlier today about Gerard Mayo.
00:23:36 I'm not going to think it doesn't deserve attention, but the report was something along
00:23:41 the lines of people inside the building, not liking Gerard Mayo, which, um, you know, I'm
00:23:46 not going to trust that for one second, but if you know, he coaches the linebackers and
00:23:53 if he's able to develop people the way he's been able to develop those guys as a head
00:23:57 coach, then I like it.
00:24:01 And you know, I think when you see, you see the team, like it's, if we're saying Mayo
00:24:04 is the next guy and you look at the team culture right now and the buy-in and the effort and
00:24:08 the defensive scheming, I'm at least, I'm going to feel, I'll feel good about that higher
00:24:14 if that's the direction that you go in.
00:24:16 Yeah.
00:24:17 I mean, the hard thing for me is that like, you know, and then immediately people come
00:24:20 out and talk about because Boston's racist and that's why they're, and I'm like, no,
00:24:24 that's not, that's not why that's not why that report came out.
00:24:29 Right.
00:24:30 I think that report came up because it's coming from, well, yes, but it's also, you know,
00:24:35 might be coming from someone who's loyal to bill and wants to kind of throw some water
00:24:40 on some cold water on the tape that, you know, Mayo is the next guy and so on and so forth.
00:24:48 Or maybe Mayo has a little bit of a bigger head now that he thinks he's the next guy
00:24:51 and somebody in the building doesn't like that.
00:24:53 And it doesn't mean it just takes one thing about one guy to say something and that's,
00:24:58 you know, so, and there's no way no one said anything about that.
00:25:01 No one's, you know, and it's like, you know, what's his face.
00:25:04 Uh, Breer was like, well, people don't like how, like, you know, they, they do like the,
00:25:09 uh, the things and he goes over the film and then he like choose out the defense, let's
00:25:14 choose out the offense and like the defense playing really well.
00:25:16 It's like, bro, we, these is going to let the defense slide, but they don't make like
00:25:19 they just, all their players are great.
00:25:21 Like, no dude, that's not how it works.
00:25:23 Like, what are we talking about?
00:25:24 Like, it's just, yeah, that's the stuff that I'm like, all right, we'd making some, you're
00:25:28 making crap up, you know?
00:25:30 Yeah.
00:25:31 Well, and it's, you know, you got 32 different teams in the NFL and they're not all great
00:25:37 comment from dark blue gold.
00:25:38 It's more than a holy guy.
00:25:40 Yeah.
00:25:41 Um, you got 32 different team cultures and guys who work different ways and I'm sure
00:25:45 the way Mayo works isn't perfect for every single player in the defensive staff there.
00:25:51 And that's, that's fine.
00:25:52 Like that's the way this works just because it doesn't work for every single person.
00:25:56 Doesn't make it bad.
00:25:57 It means you get guys who were culture fits some ways.
00:25:59 It's no different than a regular nine to five job in that respect.
00:26:03 You need people who work well together and see eye to eye on a personality level.
00:26:08 And, um, you know, I don't, if it gets to the point where they can't get good players
00:26:13 ever because nobody wants to come to new England, then yeah, but that's like urban Meyer.
00:26:18 And that's the only guy I can think of in the NFL.
00:26:20 Who's been that level.
00:26:21 I don't think Tron Mayo is that guy.
00:26:23 If you were, we'd have heard about it by now that he was kicking people.
00:26:26 Yeah, correct.
00:26:27 And Charles Green says, you know, he doesn't want a defensive head coach and I don't necessarily
00:26:30 blame him, but I just, I mean, look at the Texans.
00:26:38 I look at the Texans, right?
00:26:41 You know, they have a, what's his, for God's sakes, what the hell is his name?
00:26:44 The linebacker, um, thank you.
00:26:48 D'Amico like blank on his name for a second.
00:26:50 D'Amico Ryan's is their head coach, right?
00:26:52 He's a defensive coach.
00:26:55 The key is you have to have an offense coordinator that knows what they're doing.
00:27:01 You like part of the job as a head coach is to delegate.
00:27:04 So you have to understand what's going on in the offense, but you also have to delegate
00:27:07 those jobs to guys that know exactly what they're talking about.
00:27:11 And so for me, I look at that and I say, well, that's gotta be, you have to look at that
00:27:18 and say that, you know, I'm delegating the offensive duties to this guy and I'm going
00:27:26 to take a step back and we're going to go from there and that's going to be that.
00:27:29 Right.
00:27:30 And I think that that's okay.
00:27:32 Now I do also think that like, you know, you have to take an interest in the offense.
00:27:37 You have to try to learn the offense.
00:27:38 Bill Belichick was a defensive coach.
00:27:40 He learned the offense over time and became a guy that could do everything.
00:27:45 Right.
00:27:46 And so, you know, and so that's, so that's kind of the, that's, that's the thing for
00:27:51 me.
00:27:52 Right.
00:27:53 And so, and again, I'm not going to get into, I'm not even going to, if you were talking
00:27:56 about Texans having a good GM, I'm not even going to get into a discussion about how from
00:28:01 he took over, he took over that job in 2021.
00:28:05 If you want to talk about the bad, the bad drafts that went on from my 27, you know,
00:28:09 from 2016 on here.
00:28:10 Okay.
00:28:11 Nick was the head guy here.
00:28:12 Okay.
00:28:13 I know that Bill Belichick was the head guy here, but Nick Cassero was here.
00:28:16 So like, let's get, sometimes it's, there's a luck element there too.
00:28:19 And then the other part, you know, with Houston, they drafted a quarterback who seemed to be
00:28:23 an out of the box superstar.
00:28:26 And you do that and it fixes a lot for your team.
00:28:29 And you know, the Patriots are in theory, at least in position, or will be in position
00:28:34 to do the same thing in April.
00:28:36 And you know what, if you have a coordinator who is baseline competent and knows what he's
00:28:40 doing and the head coach who is baseline competent at getting his team prepared and a quarterback
00:28:45 who can do that and a supporting staff that is NFL level, not what they have in Carolina,
00:28:50 something better than that, then you have an opportunity for guys to succeed.
00:28:56 You know, you look at the Slovic, I think it's his name, the offensive coordinator there
00:29:00 in Houston is already rumored for head coaching interviews because of what he has done there
00:29:04 this season.
00:29:05 It was sort of relative unknown before that.
00:29:08 So yeah, and it's also, you go back and you look at, you know, grading head coaching hire
00:29:15 articles from February or March or whatever, any year, and then go forward three seasons
00:29:21 from then and see how those hires actually panned out and cross-reference the grades
00:29:25 to the way that things actually happen.
00:29:27 The trendy hires are not always the way to go.
00:29:31 And it's kind of a crapshoot when it comes to hiring coaches, in part also because it's
00:29:35 your job as a coach is tied to the talent you have, which is tied to the drafts you
00:29:39 have, which is also a little bit of a crapshoot in the way it comes out.
00:29:42 So yeah, I think I'm not going to judge any hire they make here too, assuming they go
00:29:51 in a different direction too harshly until we actually see what it looks like on the
00:29:55 field and learn about the process and give it some time unless they come out and say,
00:30:01 "Urban Meyer is the guy we want," or something like that.
00:30:05 Or, you know, "What's Bill Parcells up to these days?
00:30:09 Can we bring him back?"
00:30:10 Unless they're doing something ridiculous like that, I'm going to trust that Kraft generally
00:30:15 knows what he's doing here and we'll go through it from there.
00:30:18 These things take years, usually years, before you know how good the hire is.
00:30:22 Right.
00:30:23 Yeah, I agree.
00:30:24 So, all right, let's take a break because we haven't taken a break yet.
00:30:28 Let's do that quick.
00:30:29 And then there are a few things I want to get to on the other side and then we'll get
00:30:33 out of here.
00:30:34 All right, here we go.
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00:31:48 All right, so the few things here and, you know, we'll get into Buffalo and how, you
00:31:58 know, Buffalo, of course, won back-to-back games, you know, against two really good teams.
00:32:04 Blew out, absolutely blew out the Cowboys, who by the way, really need home field advantage
00:32:09 because they're going to be in some really tough.
00:32:12 They're going to go in.
00:32:13 You're telling me that team is going to go into Philadelphia in the winter and win?
00:32:16 No chance.
00:32:17 Oh, they play at Miami next weekend, I think.
00:32:20 Right.
00:32:21 That's a really, really interesting game.
00:32:24 But again, good weather, warm out.
00:32:26 They'll be fine.
00:32:27 I'm more worried about for them, you know, going into a cold weather game and winning.
00:32:32 I don't see that happening.
00:32:33 I also think they went on the road against a team that is that was desperate, like back
00:32:38 up against the wall, desperate, came out firing.
00:32:41 And I don't know, I still think I still think the Cowboys are probably a top five team in
00:32:45 the NFL, the way I've been.
00:32:47 I agree with you.
00:32:48 Yeah, I agree with you.
00:32:49 I just you know, it's it's interesting.
00:32:51 So anyways, let's get the other thing I wanted to get into was was Bill Belichick.
00:32:56 And my dad said this at the game and I agree with him to an extent.
00:33:00 He wants to see Belichick back.
00:33:01 And what he was talking about was the team is is playing hard still.
00:33:06 They haven't quit.
00:33:08 They're not.
00:33:09 Listen, they're not that good.
00:33:11 OK, it's not a ton of talent.
00:33:12 They're playing their asses off right now.
00:33:15 The defense played really well against a really good Kansas City team.
00:33:19 Right.
00:33:20 And so you talked about the end of that end of the end of the first half.
00:33:24 They give up the touchdown, then they kick a field goal to start to start the second
00:33:27 half on the first play from scrimmage.
00:33:30 First offensive play, exactly.
00:33:31 There was a terrible interception.
00:33:32 They end up scoring on the touchdown and that touchdown.
00:33:35 They scored was an outrageous throw and catch by Mahomes to see it was outrageous.
00:33:40 So you've got to tip your cap.
00:33:42 I mean, the way you defend that is by having your own guy who can do something like that.
00:33:46 Right.
00:33:47 And there's no way to stop that.
00:33:48 I mean, that throw was out was incredible to buy a very good coverage on him.
00:33:51 And there made an unbelievable catch.
00:33:54 It just it is what it is.
00:33:55 Right.
00:33:56 And so a brilliant throw to write 100 percent perfectly.
00:33:59 But here's the thing.
00:34:00 Right.
00:34:01 And Charles Green's been talking about this, about how he doesn't he doesn't trust Belichick
00:34:04 with the topic.
00:34:05 And and I don't know.
00:34:08 I don't know if I do or not.
00:34:10 I'm not sure what I can tell you is this.
00:34:15 Bill Belichick's not giving up GM duties.
00:34:18 He's not.
00:34:20 And even if he does.
00:34:23 There's too many guys in this too many.
00:34:27 We've been listening to Bill Belichick for 20 years.
00:34:29 He's been the guy for more than 20, 20, 25 years.
00:34:33 He's been the guy.
00:34:35 Now he's going to step back and be and not be the GM.
00:34:38 That's fine.
00:34:39 But like, are you really going to listen to the other guy?
00:34:43 Are you going to like for 25 years?
00:34:46 We've known what we've been looking for.
00:34:48 Now all of a sudden there's gonna be a new guy.
00:34:49 He's going to be the head coach, though, but there's gonna be a new GM.
00:34:51 I just I don't know how that's going to work from the same respect.
00:34:58 If you trust that Belichick can make the right pick and again, offensively, his track record
00:35:03 has been really bad in the past 15 years offensively, but if you trust he can get the right guy
00:35:10 in, I think he's shown he's a good enough coach to get you there.
00:35:16 The players love him.
00:35:17 The players obviously respect him.
00:35:22 And so, you know, I think it's a tough decision.
00:35:24 I do think that they it is time to move on.
00:35:27 I do think that.
00:35:29 But still, it's it's one of those things for me that I just it's it's a tough question.
00:35:36 And I think there's no doubt that the Patriots 100 percent are still playing hard.
00:35:42 They haven't quit.
00:35:43 They haven't stopped.
00:35:45 And so that's that's the thing for me that at least you can show that.
00:35:50 Yeah.
00:35:51 And I agree with that method like that reasoning.
00:35:53 I think that's very fair.
00:35:55 I also think when we talk about the draft with Bill, I think there are a lot of very
00:36:00 valid concerns there.
00:36:03 Not among my concerns is what they would do with the number two overall pick, because
00:36:09 look at what Bill said after the game today.
00:36:12 He was asked about why they didn't why they weren't more aggressive later in this game,
00:36:16 why they didn't go for it and fourth down.
00:36:18 And his answer, part of his answer was essentially Zappi isn't good enough and we don't trust
00:36:22 him.
00:36:23 And the last time they were in a position like that with a quarterback, what do they
00:36:27 do?
00:36:28 They go to the draft and they take the best quarterback on the board when he's there.
00:36:31 Number two, I mean, it's however you feel about Drake May or Jaden Daniels or Caleb
00:36:37 Williams or anything like that.
00:36:38 I think all three are unambiguously better prospects.
00:36:43 Mac Jones was when he came out and the guy who makes the football decisions for your
00:36:47 team has identified the quarterback as a serious area of need for you.
00:36:52 I don't think I think literally, I mean, you put in anybody who knows anything about
00:36:57 football is GM and they're just going to take a quarterback with that take of Patriots number
00:37:01 two.
00:37:02 You're talking about pick 35, pick 70, whatever, 60, whatever.
00:37:08 And what comes later in the draft?
00:37:09 Yeah, I think that's a fair concern with where they've missed on receivers in that area of
00:37:14 the draft before and the fact that you're going to have to go get that.
00:37:17 But again, it's you're and you're not wrong, but can you draft the right guy?
00:37:25 It's fine that you draft a quarterback number two overall.
00:37:27 That's great.
00:37:28 Number the number one guy on your board.
00:37:29 Well, if the number one guy on your board is Mitch Trubisky and Patrick Mahomes on the
00:37:33 board and you draft Trubisky over Mahomes, that's that's a disaster, right?
00:37:40 And I know people and I don't know, I don't know if Drake May is the next Mr. Trubisky
00:37:45 and I'm not saying that he is.
00:37:47 And I know a lot of people love I know I know a lot of people love Drake May.
00:37:53 But man, I just.
00:37:58 You know, I don't know, I it was that yes, you got to draft a quarterback, but you have
00:38:05 to draft the right quarterback.
00:38:06 If you draft the wrong quarterback, you screwed and you set yourself back five years.
00:38:11 And the problem with this whole thing is that if there was an easy way to draft the right
00:38:14 quarterback, then, you know, it would be it'd be an easy thing.
00:38:19 And that's there's there's no way to do it without a serious amount of risk.
00:38:23 If you had to place bets on whether the guy the Patriots take at pick number two is a
00:38:27 quarterback will be, you know, a franchise quarterback will be a guy who gets a second
00:38:33 contract.
00:38:34 It's probably a 50 50 bet.
00:38:36 It's probably even money both sides there like that's that's how this goes.
00:38:41 And getting it right is very, very important, but also in some ways very simple.
00:38:47 I think it's going to be the way the way I've seen this for most is that there's a consensus
00:38:51 one and two and a consensus number three and a little bit of a jumble after that.
00:38:57 Right.
00:38:58 And the Patriots are going to be in a position to draft somebody who's either consensus one
00:39:01 or two.
00:39:02 And I think you just you kind of have to stick in that tier.
00:39:04 There's also a certain wisdom of the crowd there in that, you know, you trust that not
00:39:11 only are not only do we think that these two guys are the two best in Maine Williams, but
00:39:14 also everybody else who watches them agrees that they're the two best.
00:39:17 And if you if you fail doing that, that means everybody has failed on this and we're going
00:39:21 by the book on it.
00:39:22 You know what?
00:39:23 Trubisky was ahead of Holmes on a lot of those boards.
00:39:26 And sometimes sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
00:39:29 It's also an interesting draft in that, you know, I've I have been on this podcast for
00:39:34 a while, a little bit anti May pro Daniels.
00:39:37 And one of the reasons I will scale that back a little bit is because now we're talking
00:39:42 about Daniels with the number two overall pick is a guy who started for five years in
00:39:46 college and didn't break out until year five.
00:39:49 May broke out the first year.
00:39:51 He was a starter and has played two years at that level and is a redshirt sophomore
00:39:55 in college.
00:39:56 He's three or four years younger than Jane Daniels is at this point.
00:39:59 And they are, you know, in some ways, you know, may doesn't have a Heisman, but he has
00:40:04 more sustained success in some ways than Daniels has.
00:40:09 So I liked Daniels a lot as a guy who's you might take it ten or fifteen or whatever.
00:40:14 Yeah.
00:40:15 Number two, you know, May is risky.
00:40:17 He's got issues, but he also has a crazy high ceiling and he's young enough that he still
00:40:23 has room to grow.
00:40:24 Daniels may have maxed out in some ways.
00:40:26 I don't think May has.
00:40:28 I would have no issues with that.
00:40:30 I think whoever whoever your GM is going to be, whoever's making the call in April, it's
00:40:34 probably going to feel very similarly.
00:40:36 The only way you're not doing this is if you know, it's you're signing a veteran like Kirk
00:40:40 Cousins and you think he can be it or somebody hits the trade market or Baker Mayfield.
00:40:44 And on the other thing, too, when we talk about the quarterback position, we kind of
00:40:49 haven't talked about it because it wasn't a very well substantiated report.
00:40:53 But it did come out of New York last year from Craig Carton that Belichick had called
00:40:58 about Aaron Rodgers, about trading for him.
00:41:02 And.
00:41:03 That I mean, that doesn't sound like a guy who was sold on Mac Jones.
00:41:06 This sounds like a guy who was like, hey, I need to I've been thinking about other quarterbacks
00:41:10 and he's willing to go in other directions with quarterbacks.
00:41:13 And he's clearly not happy with Bailey's happy and clearly not happy with Mac Jones.
00:41:17 He clearly knows that's a position that you need to upgrade.
00:41:21 You know, it's whoever makes that call.
00:41:23 It's going to be a both a hard but a simple decision.
00:41:27 I think it'd be the same for anybody.
00:41:28 Yeah, that's tough.
00:41:30 And it's you know, and look, it's not it's not an easy decision and it's not it's not
00:41:34 easy to know who your guy is going to be.
00:41:37 Right.
00:41:38 I don't know who the who the guy is going to be.
00:41:41 Right.
00:41:42 But man, you know, it's it's that's hard for me.
00:41:47 And again, that's why these guys get paid the big bucks.
00:41:49 Right.
00:41:50 And someone said, you know, that they're they're rolling with MHJ and, you know, Marvin Harrison
00:41:53 Jr. and maybe you like Michael Penix and maybe you can trade back into the first round to
00:41:59 get Michael Penix.
00:42:00 Maybe you can drive Michael Penix at the top of the second round.
00:42:02 You know, I don't know.
00:42:03 Right.
00:42:04 But again, Michael Penix is the same issue that you have with Jane Daniels, where he's
00:42:09 played.
00:42:10 He's old.
00:42:11 You know, he's an older player.
00:42:12 And so a lot of injuries there, you know, with a ton of injuries.
00:42:16 And so I just I don't know.
00:42:18 I don't know.
00:42:20 Not saying that he can't be good.
00:42:21 It's just that's I don't I'm not sure.
00:42:26 And so do you get the the the overall consensus, number one wide receiver, like the wide receiver
00:42:35 that everyone knows is incredible.
00:42:38 And and then you take a quarterback in the second round or you sign a quarterback.
00:42:43 And I think Kirk Cousins is probably out because he had the he had the the Achilles.
00:42:49 And to me that the Achilles happened too late or he you know, I mean, maybe he'll be ready
00:42:53 for the start of the season, but I don't trust it'll be ready for the start of the season.
00:42:56 And so, you know, we'll see.
00:42:59 We'll see.
00:43:00 I just think that, you know, I think that it may not be the worst idea.
00:43:05 Jack Martin Harrison Jr. and go from there.
00:43:06 Now, if Caleb Williams available, if Drake May goes number one and Caleb Williams is
00:43:09 there, I'm taking him.
00:43:10 I don't care.
00:43:11 I don't care what people say.
00:43:12 I'm taking him because he's the guy.
00:43:16 OK.
00:43:18 Anyone that listen to this podcast, watch Patrick Mahomes on Sunday.
00:43:23 Holy shit.
00:43:24 Holy shit.
00:43:25 Patrick Mahomes does things that no one else on earth can do.
00:43:28 When he's rolling to his left, it was a throw.
00:43:31 I think it was where she writes in the middle of the field and he just he's rolling to his
00:43:34 left, avoids pressure, rolls to his left and is running to his left and just doesn't even
00:43:39 stop running.
00:43:40 He just like turns his body and just fires it 20 yards downfield to a wide open where
00:43:46 she writes in the middle of the field.
00:43:47 It's like that's unfair.
00:43:48 It's not even fair.
00:43:49 Like that's just like, you know, in the throat of the throat of the throat of CEH.
00:43:54 I mean, again, again, he's rolling to his left off his back off one foot as he's throwing
00:44:00 and he throws an absolutely perfect throw right over the linebacker.
00:44:03 And again, I mean, it's great catch, but like that throw is on the move.
00:44:07 It's not like he's you know, it's incredible.
00:44:11 Absolutely incredible.
00:44:12 And no one else in this draft can do those things except for him.
00:44:17 And I think Drake may just show a little bit of that stuff, not not nearly to the same
00:44:22 level that Caleb Williams does.
00:44:24 Yeah.
00:44:25 Yeah.
00:44:26 And I also I want to address team six one seven.
00:44:27 Thank you for commenting.
00:44:28 He brought up that, you know, somebody who had sustained success and the you was young
00:44:34 with crazy upside is also Trey Lance.
00:44:36 And you know, a guy who didn't do it in a great conference, not have sustained success
00:44:39 that he played for.
00:44:40 You know, he was a year before a year in one game.
00:44:46 But but also, you know, this also applies to Patrick from the homes.
00:44:50 And, you know, like I said, it's 50 50.
00:44:53 If you get a good quarterback out of this, you can do all of the the right things with
00:44:57 the right process and draft the right quarterback and surround him with the right guys.
00:45:02 And sometimes it just, you know, it doesn't work out.
00:45:05 That's why this is so hard to do in the NFL.
00:45:09 This is like the this is the multi million.
00:45:12 How many how many million dollars did Patrick Mahomes get?
00:45:14 Was it a 500 million dollar deal?
00:45:16 Something like that?
00:45:17 This is the the 500 million dollar question right here is how you consistently find ways
00:45:24 to draft quarterbacks.
00:45:25 There's an easy way to do it.
00:45:26 We'd all be doing it.
00:45:27 There's a risk involved and you're going to have to have to go out on a limb a little
00:45:31 bit because, you know, even even with a guy like Trevor Lawrence, there is still a risk.
00:45:38 So yeah, you do your due diligence and you make sure that everything is right off the
00:45:43 field and you're going to have to take a leap of faith there.
00:45:47 And regardless of who it is, I think that's where the Patriots are.
00:45:49 I love the other offensive players.
00:45:50 Like I hate passing on Marvin Harrison Jr. or weak neighbors or Joe Alter, Fashanu or
00:45:56 anybody like that.
00:45:57 But I just.
00:45:58 If the Patriots had a decent quarterback, they'd be nearly a 500 team at this point
00:46:04 with all the close games they've been in that have been in only because of quarterback play,
00:46:09 they would they might be in with how bad the NFL has been this year.
00:46:13 They might be in playoff contention if they had an actual decent quarterback and you can
00:46:18 fix the rest later.
00:46:19 By the way, what we're talking about, the receiver position and I'd mentioned leadership
00:46:22 earlier.
00:46:23 Yeah, the name I keep coming back to Pat, who I think might be a really good addition
00:46:27 to this team next year, is a guy who is experienced and a guy who knows how to win, who has a
00:46:34 Super Bowl, is very accomplished in this league.
00:46:38 Mike Evans is a guy who we think is going to hit free agency and a guy who played with
00:46:44 Tom Brady.
00:46:45 And, you know, he knows how to do everything you need to do to be a true professional winner
00:46:51 in the NFL.
00:46:53 And if you could get a guy like that with a rookie receiver, I like that idea a lot.
00:46:59 And I think it's a good bridge solution to your next wide receiver stuff, because you
00:47:05 don't have a good enough situation for a quarterback to come into knowing that in two, three, four
00:47:10 years, it's not going to look like that.
00:47:12 It is going to change over time, but it's a starting point.
00:47:14 Yeah, I mean, it's so funny because I've hated Evans forever and mostly it's because of I
00:47:21 was on my fancy team and he always like I feel like he was up and down and up and down
00:47:24 and up and down, up and down, up and down.
00:47:27 But my God, dude, like he he just does it every year.
00:47:32 He's good every year.
00:47:33 He's consistently good.
00:47:34 You know, you're going to get out of him.
00:47:35 No, he's not great.
00:47:38 He's not great all the time.
00:47:40 And part of it's because he's hurt and part of it.
00:47:42 But like, you know that he's a consistent player for you.
00:47:45 You know, he's going to be good.
00:47:46 And so I would love it.
00:47:48 I'd love to have him here.
00:47:50 I don't think it's going to cost too, too much money to get him here.
00:47:54 But man, if you have to QB at number two, you sign Mike Evans and you draft a wide receiver
00:48:00 in the third round, you know, bring back most of the guys who are important to this team
00:48:04 back to Douglas.
00:48:05 You bring back 100 born, you know, you bring back Juju, I think.
00:48:10 And you know, you let that bum, the Parker walk.
00:48:13 And you know, I think all of a sudden your offense is looking pretty good, right?
00:48:17 And you give your you give your guy a target.
00:48:19 And I think, you know, even if you want to draft to attack on the second round, you know,
00:48:25 because I think that that's that's where it's headed, you know.
00:48:28 And it gives you, you know, a guy who's super consistent, a guy who works hard.
00:48:32 Also, like he's a big receiver with good hands and a big frame.
00:48:36 And just in some ways, it's almost he's not a tight end, but he gives you that tight end
00:48:41 security blanket for the quarterback.
00:48:43 And especially, you know, one of his biggest issues right now is he's got a little bit
00:48:47 of a spray in the ball.
00:48:48 He's a little bit inaccurate at times.
00:48:49 And you got a guy who can still turn an inaccurate pass and do a 12 yard completion for you.
00:48:55 That helps build confidence.
00:48:56 And you're hoping, you know, by year two, it gets a little bit better.
00:48:59 And year three gets a little bit better and you're able to build on stuff.
00:49:03 So I like that.
00:49:04 And, you know, T Higgins falls into the same category.
00:49:05 And I'd love for him to be here, too.
00:49:07 I just think he's less likely to hit the market.
00:49:10 And if he does, he's also going to be a lot more expensive.
00:49:12 And I'm not afraid of shelling out money.
00:49:14 But I also think Evans and Evans is probably better than Higgins.
00:49:19 Still, it's close.
00:49:21 And, you know, obviously older, but like, I'll take the cheaper player, but it's the
00:49:27 slightly cheaper player for now, considering some of the other benefits you're going to
00:49:30 get from him, too.
00:49:31 Right.
00:49:32 I agree.
00:49:33 And so that would be fun.
00:49:34 It would be fun to see Mike Evans here, you know, but, you know, but we'll see.
00:49:40 So and I think, too, you know, it's going to be and team six, one, seven points out
00:49:47 like free agency comes before the draft.
00:49:49 And so you're able to figure out what you're going to do in the draft based on what you
00:49:54 do in free agency.
00:49:56 And I think for me that that's that's kind of the idea.
00:49:59 Right.
00:50:00 Like you have a hundred million dollars you got to spend.
00:50:03 You got to spend it.
00:50:04 Go out and spend your freaking money.
00:50:07 And you're probably going to spend half of it just bringing back guys who are heading
00:50:12 for agency.
00:50:13 And that's OK.
00:50:14 Right.
00:50:15 You sign, you know, you sign Kyle Duggar, you sign Mike on when you sign, you know,
00:50:19 probably I would say give Christian Barmore an extension.
00:50:23 I'd say you want to take care of that.
00:50:24 Can't have to.
00:50:25 Can you do the Barmore extension now?
00:50:26 Oh, yeah.
00:50:27 You can after this season, right?
00:50:29 After the season.
00:50:30 Yes.
00:50:31 After this year, because it'll be going into this final year.
00:50:32 And then you have, you know, Matthew Judon, you're going to have to give a new contract
00:50:36 to.
00:50:38 And so you have those guys that you're going to have to you're going to have to pay.
00:50:41 Right.
00:50:42 Fine.
00:50:43 But that's OK.
00:50:44 I think you have to keep those guys, you know.
00:50:46 And that's regardless of who the coaches of this team next year, you got good culture
00:50:51 guys in this locker room who you're going to want to keep around.
00:50:54 I think, you know, Barmore and Judon are going to be parts of that.
00:50:58 That was who you want to lock up.
00:51:00 You can tag.
00:51:01 You know, Bentley is part of that.
00:51:02 And I think that's another thing on offense.
00:51:04 Who are your culture guys?
00:51:05 I think we think Kendrick Bourne is one of them.
00:51:08 We think Hunter Henry is one of them.
00:51:12 David Andrews is one of them.
00:51:14 I'm not worried about him leaving.
00:51:15 It's worried about him retiring.
00:51:17 And that's about it.
00:51:18 I think that's another spot where having a guy like Mike Evans helps because he's an
00:51:21 immediate culture guy in a way that I don't know if T Higgins is.
00:51:25 I'm not that's a slight to T Higgins.
00:51:27 No.
00:51:28 Right.
00:51:29 Right.
00:51:30 So, you know.
00:51:31 Yeah.
00:51:32 So I don't know.
00:51:33 Yeah.
00:51:34 You know, can we complain about the refs for a minute now that we're near the end of this?
00:51:38 Didn't change the outcome, but my God, they were so bad today.
00:51:42 And it's been.
00:51:43 Did you OK.
00:51:44 Here's a question.
00:51:45 Did you watch the Lions Broncos last night because this set me off?
00:51:49 I watched most.
00:51:50 I didn't watch all of it, but I did watch some of it.
00:51:53 Did you see the sequence for the Broncos scored a touchdown on three straight plays and none
00:51:57 of them counted?
00:51:59 No, the Broncos got down to the goal line and it looked like the ball was across, but
00:52:05 they called him down at like the inch mark live in the replay.
00:52:08 You couldn't really tell if he was across and they got barely into the end zone on the
00:52:12 next play and they said he didn't do it.
00:52:14 They didn't challenge it for some reason.
00:52:16 And they run into the end zone on third down and they called an offensive offsides on it
00:52:22 for the way the guard was aligned, which was really ticky tack.
00:52:27 It was close.
00:52:30 And yeah, they did that and backed up five yards and then had to kick a field goal, which
00:52:36 they were losing twenty one to three.
00:52:37 And you're now at the six yard line because the penalty and that's fourth and goal.
00:52:41 I don't know why you're kicking a field goal in that situation or twenty one to three or
00:52:45 twenty eight to three.
00:52:46 The field goal doesn't help you there.
00:52:47 Right.
00:52:48 You know, you got to go for the touchdown.
00:52:50 That's crazy.
00:52:52 But so there was that.
00:52:53 And but then the game today was just the phantom defensive holding.
00:52:59 It's the incompetence.
00:53:00 To me, it's the incompetence.
00:53:02 Like I just they're so incompetent.
00:53:05 They don't know what they're doing.
00:53:07 They don't know what they're looking at.
00:53:08 They you know, sometimes they call plays and sometimes they don't.
00:53:12 The the, you know, offensive face mask against tomorrow, Douglas.
00:53:16 I guess he touched his face mask, but like now they they showed a replay on it and he
00:53:20 did he did hook it.
00:53:22 So I think it was the right call.
00:53:23 I just never, never see that.
00:53:26 And I think it was incidental.
00:53:27 It's just awful luck to have it happen.
00:53:28 And Mike, when Mike Reese is tweeting about how the how the officials are bad, you know
00:53:33 it's bad because Mike Reese is going there.
00:53:35 Right.
00:53:36 And I asked him to say like the refs were seven or something like that.
00:53:39 I was like, whoa, that's what it's about.
00:53:42 And that though, and the whole thing on like Connor McDermott that took back the touchdown
00:53:46 was the right call.
00:53:48 The problem was that the Chiefs also didn't and didn't get that he didn't get flagged
00:53:52 for it.
00:53:53 So, you know, you just want that consistency.
00:53:55 And you know, it's quite frankly, I don't think anybody in the NFL is competent enough
00:54:00 for this to be any kind of conspiracy or anything.
00:54:02 I think this is a very hard sport to officiate.
00:54:04 And we all on TV get a much better look at what's going on than the people on the field,
00:54:08 which makes it puts the officials in a tough position.
00:54:12 But I think you got to get, we got to find a way to get more consistency out of this
00:54:16 thing.
00:54:17 And yeah, look at, I don't know if you watch the Buffalo Dallas game with the Josh Allen
00:54:22 roughing the passer.
00:54:23 Josh Allen's just, he's just, see, the problem is, is that the NFL is now become similar
00:54:29 to the NBA where if you flop, you'll get the call.
00:54:33 And listen, in fairness, guys have been flopping for a while now.
00:54:39 Brady used to flop a little bit.
00:54:42 You flopped as long as it's effective and gets the calls.
00:54:44 I don't blame the players for doing it.
00:54:46 But you can't, you can't fall for the flop, man, especially when it's Josh Allen.
00:54:51 Josh Allen's huge.
00:54:52 Like, come on.
00:54:53 Yes, he has a reputation for this too.
00:54:56 And I think it was, oh my God, I'm totally, Doug, Doug Farrar had tweeted something about
00:55:01 how, you know, Cam Newton watching Josh Allen, getting all these calls, wondering where these
00:55:06 whistles were when I see him out there, you know, and, and Alan is a big body, tough quarterback.
00:55:14 And he takes a lot of hits and he deserves some of the flags.
00:55:17 And because of that, why are you asking for like extra flags when the guy barely touches
00:55:22 you and you're going after like a fish?
00:55:24 Like, and why are you falling for that?
00:55:26 If you're an official, the dude has a reputation about this.
00:55:29 And I'm sure you've received calls from teams saying, Hey, this isn't a penalty.
00:55:34 You can't call this.
00:55:35 The fact that officials are still falling for it.
00:55:37 It's just ridiculous at this point.
00:55:39 Yeah, no, it's, it's bad.
00:55:41 And the officiating just, and unfortunately it's been like that.
00:55:43 It's been like that all year.
00:55:45 It's really been like that for the last two years.
00:55:47 It's just like, man, what are you doing?
00:55:50 You know, like, so, but unfortunately everything deals with it.
00:55:55 It's, you know, it doesn't make it any better or easier to deal with, but every team deals
00:55:59 with it, unfortunately.
00:56:00 And, you know, we can just kind of have to go from there, you know, I still think the
00:56:03 officiating is a whole bit better.
00:56:05 You got just like a, a 45 year old guy to sit in a control room with a couple of beers,
00:56:09 watch the games and he has the power to overrule any call.
00:56:12 I mean, if it just makes sense to him or something is clear and obvious to him, then yeah.
00:56:18 The NHL does it like the NHL does it.
00:56:21 Yeah.
00:56:22 They get, yeah.
00:56:23 Why aren't we doing it in the end?
00:56:24 I felt it would be fair.
00:56:26 The NHL also still, despite that has insane inconsistencies with the same people looking
00:56:33 at every call, at least, you know, you're, you're looking at, and look, you have to be
00:56:39 able to challenge in my opinion, you gotta be able to challenge those things.
00:56:42 You have to, because if it's going to be that bad and that inconsistent, you're going to
00:56:47 have to be able to challenge them.
00:56:49 And that I also think another part of this is we should have some kind of timer in the
00:56:52 review process because how many times do you watch a game on TV and they show you two replays
00:56:59 and you know what the call is and the break continues for another two and a half minutes
00:57:03 and it's like, all right, come on.
00:57:06 It didn't, doesn't take that long to figure it out.
00:57:08 And if it takes that long to figure it out, it's probably not clear and obvious.
00:57:10 So shouldn't be touching the call.
00:57:13 Like let's just, let's move it along here.
00:57:16 I've also gotten the more I've come around on, like, I don't need every call to be correct.
00:57:21 I just need every call to be like, every culture be reasonable and timely so we can get on
00:57:27 with that.
00:57:28 And I can accept some missed calls some of the time because that's just going to happen
00:57:32 and it's probably going to even out, but let's make sure we get the easy ones, right.
00:57:36 And we get the easy ones, right.
00:57:39 Quickly so we can move along with the product and enjoy the game.
00:57:41 Yeah.
00:57:42 But you know, I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:57:47 But we'll see.
00:57:48 I don't know, man.
00:57:49 I don't know what the solution is, but it's not whatever the hell they're doing right
00:57:51 now.
00:57:52 So by the way, space, get it says, uh, trade for Justin Fields and take Marvin Harrison
00:57:55 to man.
00:57:56 I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I don't hate it.
00:58:00 I don't hate it.
00:58:01 We've talked about fields a little bit on here.
00:58:02 I'd love to feel it's coming out.
00:58:03 I wanted them to draft them in 2021 when they, when they traded, when the bears traded up,
00:58:09 when there was a trade up to 10, I was like, this is it.
00:58:14 Yes.
00:58:15 And then they blew it.
00:58:17 And I was like, God damn it.
00:58:18 It was the freaking bears that traded up, not the Patriots.
00:58:20 Right.
00:58:21 And so, you know, I, it's a situation where I think fields has shown flashes, but never
00:58:27 enough.
00:58:28 I question whether Bill O'Brien, if you get a guy that's a running quarterback like that,
00:58:34 I question where the Bill O'Brien is the guy I question whether the guy to do that.
00:58:39 Right.
00:58:40 And so, so that's, so then that becomes a problem where it's like, well, if you, if
00:58:44 you, Bill Bryant, you have an accord and you get a draft, a guy that fits you off as a
00:58:47 coordinator or do you need to go into the 21st century and have a guy that will open
00:58:52 up the playbook to guys that will run more and so on and so forth.
00:58:55 So I, you know, yeah.
00:58:56 And it's one, you know, you look at even Drake may as a guy who's very good with his feet
00:59:00 and can run.
00:59:01 And I don't trust Bill O'Brien to really harness that the way you're going to get from maybe
00:59:06 some somebody else doesn't even have to be somebody younger.
00:59:09 QB runs have existed for a while.
00:59:11 It's just gotta be somebody else who knows how to capitalize on that.
00:59:15 My only issue with the fields thing is that you're only getting them for a year or two
00:59:20 years if you pick up the option on him, but it's a short window and you kind of have to
00:59:25 hit on it right away.
00:59:27 Like you don't get development time with him and either it's basically it either works
00:59:30 or it doesn't.
00:59:31 And if it doesn't, you're right back where you were right away.
00:59:35 But I think that's okay.
00:59:36 If you, if you like his film enough and you feel like he can play, which by the way, I
00:59:42 mean he played today.
00:59:44 He played awesome today and his team let him down, man.
00:59:47 He had guys on wide open passes that just kept dropping him and it's like, dude, what
00:59:51 are we doing, man?
00:59:52 Like Tyler Scott drop on the first play of second play.
00:59:55 The last drive was crazy.
00:59:57 Well, then the, uh, was it called commit on the long pass?
01:00:01 Who the hell was the, was the tight end in the long pass that dropped it?
01:00:04 And you're like, what?
01:00:05 Oh, was that?
01:00:06 Yeah, I know who you're talking about.
01:00:07 Yeah.
01:00:08 You know, it's a gorgeous throw.
01:00:09 And then even the last play, for God's sakes, he throws the hill, man.
01:00:13 He drops it in his hands.
01:00:15 It's like, you'd be kidding me, dude.
01:00:17 They said fields are the first, the first player in the same game to get intercepted
01:00:22 on the last play of the, of the first half.
01:00:24 And the last play of the game, we got picked off on the sale.
01:00:27 Mary attempted in the first half and he got picked up in his home area.
01:00:30 Tim was like, it's unbelievable.
01:00:32 So I just like, I liked field coming out a lot and that's why I wanted new England to
01:00:36 draft.
01:00:37 And I thought he might fall to, to where the Patriots were.
01:00:40 Um, I just, I like getting the runway in the, the multiple years.
01:00:45 That's my only issue with it.
01:00:47 I totally agree.
01:00:48 I'd rather, especially if like, if it's a new coaching staff or whatever, and we're
01:00:52 resetting, let's just go with a fresh guy and that might not work, but you get three
01:00:56 years to mold a quarterback who young, I'll take that over a guy who has already been,
01:01:01 you know, attempted to be molded by a bunch of people.
01:01:03 And I think the biggest question, Oh, go ahead.
01:01:06 Go ahead.
01:01:07 I'm sorry.
01:01:08 I think that might be something.
01:01:09 And you, you've seen more, I think you've seen more from him lately than you've seen
01:01:14 from Mac Jones in the NFL.
01:01:16 You know, he's got the great running ability and everything, but I think when we, when
01:01:22 we've been talking about the rebuild, we're also talking about not how we make this team
01:01:25 great in 2024, but how do we build it?
01:01:27 So it can be great in 2025 and 2026, which is a great point.
01:01:32 And fields makes it tougher because you have to pay them right away.
01:01:36 If you need wide receivers or, you know, you need to add free agents or you got to pay
01:01:40 Christian bar more, you got to pay Christian Gonzalez eventually.
01:01:43 And the other guys are going to have to pay it just now you're in a salary cap issue possibly
01:01:48 all of a sudden.
01:01:49 And yeah, I just, I'm not against it, but I feel like fields to Atlanta is a more natural
01:01:55 fit.
01:01:56 I agree with you.
01:01:57 I agree with you.
01:01:59 So by the way, I apologize to the listeners out there.
01:02:01 I completely blew it.
01:02:03 Didn't have a, I didn't have a song lined up for today.
01:02:06 Taylor Swift is at the game today.
01:02:07 Should've had a frigging Taylor Swift song ready to go.
01:02:09 And I completely blew it.
01:02:10 And I apologize.
01:02:11 You know what?
01:02:12 I apologize to the listeners out there.
01:02:14 I blew that.
01:02:16 You know what I absolutely love about Taylor Swift at the game, by the way, I'm going to
01:02:19 give, I'm going to give two things.
01:02:21 One I'll start, I'll start with the sweet thing, which is that apparently she went to
01:02:25 all like the hospitality workers and everything.
01:02:27 And she was like just tipping them with a hundred dollar bills.
01:02:31 And we only know that because they took pictures of it.
01:02:34 She did no promo of this on her own.
01:02:37 So, and by all accounts that she's been very good about that.
01:02:40 So huge props to her for doing that.
01:02:43 The second for as annoying as it was when Travis Kelsey fluffed in the end zone on that
01:02:48 play, the replay of Taylor Swift losing her mind at it and calling for a flag is so relatable
01:02:55 that it's like, all right, she is, she's in, she's one of us now.
01:02:59 Like that's how, how long is it going to, or maybe she has like an alt account on Twitter
01:03:03 or somewhere where she's getting into it with Stephen Ruiz or something about, you
01:03:08 know, different formations or getting into it with, I don't know, chiefs writers about
01:03:13 stuff like that.
01:03:14 She seems very invested in that and it seems very authentic and it's fun.
01:03:18 So I, I, I enjoyed that and it, you know, I liked Taylor Swift.
01:03:22 I did have to root against her today, but now that the game's over, I can go back to
01:03:25 liking her.
01:03:26 Right.
01:03:27 That's the way it goes.
01:03:28 Exactly.
01:03:29 So, so anyway, so we'll see.
01:03:31 Look, there's a long way to go.
01:03:35 Three games left and then the rebuild starts.
01:03:37 Right.
01:03:38 And I think that that's going to be, by the way, the Ravens have the worst, the worst
01:03:41 injury luck of all time.
01:03:42 Dude, Keaton Mitchell's looks so good this year as an undrafted rookie running back.
01:03:46 Looks like he just tore his ACL.
01:03:47 Ronny Stanton was coming off.
01:03:48 I saw people saying the injury was bad, but I hadn't seen a clip.
01:03:52 Yeah, I haven't, I didn't see the clip, but he got, he was the one getting carted
01:03:55 off.
01:03:56 So, but I didn't see the clip.
01:03:57 But yeah, you know?
01:03:59 Yeah, so that's on her show, right?
01:04:02 She gave tons and tons of bonuses.
01:04:04 I mean, and they, it was, you know, she made a ridiculous amount of money from the tour,
01:04:08 but still, you know, yeah, it seems six and seven said fifty five million dollars in bonuses
01:04:13 to her staff, everybody across it working on her aristore.
01:04:18 So awesome stuff there.
01:04:20 Like that's just taking care of people.
01:04:21 I also old man mob had commented this a while ago, but I'm bringing it back up.
01:04:26 He said I've been doing mock drafts would be awesome if Matt and Pat did a stream showing
01:04:29 rating mock drafts and we're going to have a show Wednesday night will be our next one.
01:04:34 So if you got if anybody has mock drafts, wants to send them in for us to talk about
01:04:39 send them to one of us, you know, on Twitter or where we're where we're doing that.
01:04:44 We do have a guest coming on Wednesday, so I'm not sure if we're going to do that Wednesday
01:04:47 night, but we might get maybe the Wednesday after I get a check.
01:04:50 I got to check with our guests to see if see if she wants to come on for like half the
01:04:54 show or the whole show.
01:04:56 I'm not sure what she's going to do.
01:04:57 So yeah, she only comes on for half the show.
01:04:59 Then I'm in for that.
01:05:01 If she comes out for the whole show, it just depends on on kind of what she wants.
01:05:05 I want to know if you if you got if you guys do mock drafts, send them to us.
01:05:09 We'll get to them at some point.
01:05:10 I mean, you know, the way these games are going, we could do we do some with the post
01:05:15 game.
01:05:16 It's a reaction shows to absolutely.
01:05:19 We're doing for the Broncos game.
01:05:21 We're doing our show night of Christmas.
01:05:23 We're going to do it the day after the game.
01:05:25 So I think so.
01:05:26 Only thing is that I was going to the schedule.
01:05:29 It's going to be weird.
01:05:30 We're definitely not doing a Christmas Eve because obviously Christmas Eve is Christmas
01:05:32 Eve.
01:05:33 I'm not doing a podcast 1130 on Christmas Eve.
01:05:35 Santa Claus is coming and like, hello, I got to be in bed.
01:05:37 So I'm going to come.
01:05:39 So you know, we're not doing that.
01:05:42 I'm thinking the next night.
01:05:43 But then I think I don't know if I'm I don't know if I'm around Wednesday night.
01:05:50 Oh, I guess maybe I'll run Wednesday.
01:05:52 I'm not around Thursday night.
01:05:53 I might be around Wednesday.
01:05:54 I got to figure out.
01:05:55 I figured I didn't know if it made sense to go Wednesday to go Monday and Tuesday night.
01:05:59 But whatever, doesn't matter.
01:06:00 I think I think that's the plan right now is to go is to go like around this time 930
01:06:06 on Monday night, the night of Christmas Day, because it's Christmas Day.
01:06:09 Everything's over.
01:06:10 And you know, now you can come listen.
01:06:12 After your Christmas dinner, you can settle in and exactly listen to our podcast.
01:06:17 You know, maybe you got a nice new pair of headphones you can listen to us on or a new
01:06:20 laptop and you can watch the show on your phone where you can make sure you're subscribed
01:06:25 to the feed.
01:06:26 Love it.
01:06:27 I love it.
01:06:28 That'd be fun.
01:06:29 So yes, that's what we got.
01:06:30 So so that'll be this week.
01:06:31 This week we are Wednesday night.
01:06:32 Again, we do have a special guest coming on, which will be fun.
01:06:36 And then we'll be with you, like Matt said, not Christmas Eve night after the Broncos
01:06:40 game, but soon after, like the next night.
01:06:45 So probably the Monday night and then either be Tuesday or Wednesday night that will go
01:06:49 for for our show that that week.
01:06:52 And of course, you know, then I think they play on New Year's Eve.
01:06:55 Yes, yeah, they do.
01:06:58 And so we talked about that already.
01:06:59 We're going to go right into the show.
01:07:00 So that's fine because they're on the road.
01:07:02 They're in Buffalo.
01:07:03 And we know everybody's got their what do you call it?
01:07:06 Got their New Year's Eve plans.
01:07:08 So we want to get in and out with that show before everybody starts.
01:07:11 Nice and early.
01:07:12 Exactly.
01:07:13 You know, with that game, I think people are going to be starting to drink in early that
01:07:15 day anyway.
01:07:16 I would say so, yeah, probably especially with the post.
01:07:18 I'll tell you what, though, I'm rooting so hard for the for the three or four teams in
01:07:23 front of the bills so hard.
01:07:24 I just want that's all I want to have.
01:07:27 I think they're winning the AFC East.
01:07:29 I think I think they win next week.
01:07:31 I think they beat the Pats and then they're going to go to Miami and they're going to
01:07:34 beat them to win the AFC.
01:07:36 If Miami wins, but here's the thing.
01:07:38 If Miami wins next week, they win.
01:07:41 Miami is going to have to lose out in order for that to happen.
01:07:44 No, I don't think.
01:07:45 I think they have.
01:07:46 They have 10 minutes.
01:07:47 Check this.
01:07:48 Well, they're going to have to do games are and I mean, they have two tough games, but
01:07:55 I'm just saying in order for that to happen, Miami would have to lose out.
01:07:58 You know what I mean?
01:08:01 Hold on, let me.
01:08:02 I mean, I mean, yeah, no, then all they have to do is lose one.
01:08:11 I guess I lose and lose because they lose when the bills beat the Dolphins.
01:08:17 Yeah, right.
01:08:18 So as long as my if the bills win the next two games, which they're easier games for
01:08:23 them and the Dolphins lose to either the Cowboys or the Ravens, then they have to then week
01:08:28 18 becomes a must win.
01:08:30 Yeah, that becomes for the AFC East and I suspect that would be the Sunday night game
01:08:36 in week 18 too, which would be a lot of fun.
01:08:38 That'd be a really fun game to watch in a fun situation.
01:08:41 I know, but I want it to be the Sunday.
01:08:43 Here's what here's the thing for me.
01:08:45 I want it to be the Sunday night game and then I want the bills to lose.
01:08:48 I just it's all I want.
01:08:50 It would be so funny.
01:08:51 There is.
01:08:52 There's a there's a situation there too, where if that's if the bills win, they win the AFC
01:08:58 East and they're the three seed and if they lose, they miss the playoffs.
01:09:04 That is and it's not that crazy to get them to that circumstance either, which I think
01:09:09 would be that'd be a crazy one because the way they're playing, if they the way they
01:09:13 played today, if they play like that every single day, it's a game I'd say they're the
01:09:18 favorite to come out of the AFC.
01:09:19 You know, we're going to get like a Bill's Niner Super Bowl.
01:09:23 They haven't played that all year long.
01:09:25 Yeah, we got we got Gregory Brown in the chat here.
01:09:27 I'm going to highlight this because I love this guy.
01:09:30 Pat should sign Justin Madibuke from the Ravens.
01:09:33 So in on the all the way in on this, all of them.
01:09:37 I want all you can make it.
01:09:39 I'll make it defensive line out of just ex Dolphins and Ravens guys.
01:09:42 And I could be very happy with that.
01:09:44 100 percent.
01:09:45 By the way, Dakota asked about about me, my homes, my homes play well today.
01:09:49 One of the interceptions again was was a wrestle the way from Blake Bell hit him in the hands
01:09:54 and Mapu just stole from and the other one was good areas.
01:09:57 Tony just hit him in the hands.
01:09:59 I dropped it into my picked it up.
01:10:01 Yeah.
01:10:02 Which by the way, Johnny Devine within all time, like what the hell are you doing when
01:10:05 he tried to pitch it back?
01:10:07 I got it went out of bounds.
01:10:08 But I love it.
01:10:10 And you know what?
01:10:11 I think that, too, that was the Patriots had a fourth and three in their own territory
01:10:17 decided to punt it instead of going for it.
01:10:19 It immediately got the pick.
01:10:20 And it was like.
01:10:22 I the way the offense is played in the way the defense is played, the Patriots scored
01:10:26 17 points, 10 of them were off turnovers.
01:10:28 Right.
01:10:29 I think there was it's not that crazy of an argument to say the Patriots are more likely
01:10:33 to set up a score when the defense is on the field and when the offense is on the field.
01:10:37 So I really most of the time I hate the strategy of punting and I want to be aggressive.
01:10:42 But with this group, I guess I mean, listen, they asked about it after the game and he
01:10:46 said, look, the offense isn't that good right now.
01:10:48 They're not talented.
01:10:49 We don't I don't know.
01:10:50 I didn't trust that we could get that fourth and three, which is pretty telling to me.
01:10:54 But like I don't.
01:10:55 But then and then, of course, people complain about that.
01:10:57 I do.
01:10:58 He's telling the truth.
01:10:59 They're not that good right now.
01:11:00 And often I've seen the offense like it's just, you know, and that's.
01:11:03 And I think that's one of the things that makes the conversation with with Robert Kraft
01:11:11 so interesting out of that, because for a big part, not the entirety, but a big part
01:11:17 of why the offense is as bad as it is, is because you've gotten bottom three quarterback
01:11:22 play in the NFL all season long.
01:11:24 But again, again, some of that's because we'll build build draft of the guys.
01:11:29 Even guys who were good at this miss on quarterbacks like it.
01:11:34 It happens.
01:11:35 You know, look at the Niners.
01:11:37 Everybody praises their team building and they took a bigger swing in the Patriots and
01:11:41 missed on a quarterback in the same draft.
01:11:43 And, you know, they obviously got a little bit lucky and found ways around that.
01:11:47 But guys who were good at this miss on the quarterback position and 100 percent.
01:11:51 And I think and if I think if Bill were to go to Kraft and say, hey, you can see the
01:11:55 team out there is competitive, except for whoever we got back there.
01:11:58 If you give me one more shot to get the guy back there and there's good guys in this draft,
01:12:02 we're going to have a good team.
01:12:03 I don't think that's I think that's a reasonably good.
01:12:05 You're not wrong.
01:12:06 The difference is that Sam Fran's good everywhere else.
01:12:10 They have unbelievable weapons.
01:12:12 They drafted two really good wide receivers.
01:12:14 They drafted a really good tight end.
01:12:16 You know, they said awesome defense like they did all of those.
01:12:19 They got a left tackling and Trent.
01:12:21 They drafted a wide receiver from Arizona State in the first round, like second round.
01:12:26 But but that's to me, that's one of those things for me that I just like I'm looking
01:12:31 at these LF.
01:12:32 Thank you for coming.
01:12:33 Thanks for coming through.
01:12:35 But you know, I just.
01:12:39 It becomes hard to justify when it's like we've made all these moves and none of them
01:12:42 have worked out.
01:12:43 None of them, not one of them has worked out.
01:12:45 Yes, you miss in the quarterback, but like I've done it.
01:12:47 You know, I'm fine.
01:12:49 It's extra this year.
01:12:51 But that's it.
01:12:53 Well, it's it's tough because you could argue offensively the two best guys they've taken
01:12:57 the last couple of years are City.
01:12:59 So in Pop Douglas, who are there the guys they just took this year?
01:13:04 So if you're Bill Belichick, I feel like you could definitely go in there and say, hey,
01:13:07 I nailed the first round pick until he got hurt for the year.
01:13:11 And I drafted the two best offensive players I have in years and were in position to draft
01:13:15 the franchise quarterback.
01:13:16 If your argument let me tell you something.
01:13:19 If your argument to Robert Kraft is that I drafted a sixth round wide receiver who's
01:13:25 pretty good in the slot and a fourth round guy who I thought was going to play tackle
01:13:29 but is playing guard for me, he's getting laughed out of the office.
01:13:33 They can laugh.
01:13:34 Hey, you're not wrong, but he's getting laughed out of the office.
01:13:39 I mean, Julian Edelman, I'm not saying that tomorrow Douglas is that guy.
01:13:43 But listen, you're not wrong.
01:13:44 All those things are true.
01:13:46 But again, it's like you're right.
01:13:49 But man, I mean, I just I don't know.
01:13:53 It's just you can't make that argument, you know, and it's a weird spot too, because you're
01:14:00 you're trying to argue about the underlying processes here and what has worked.
01:14:05 That's how the results in the field mean you get rid of Bill Belichick.
01:14:08 If he wants to stay, he has to argue that the processes are sound and there's other
01:14:13 reasons for why.
01:14:14 But it's also tough because the process in twenty twenty one was one thing and it didn't
01:14:19 really work and it worked in some ways, not in all of them.
01:14:22 And then process in twenty twenty two was different and it didn't work.
01:14:25 And now they've got a new process in twenty twenty three that also hasn't worked, but
01:14:29 for different reasons.
01:14:30 And they've gotten some hits out of it.
01:14:32 And, you know, you've had three different processes with three different offensive coordinators.
01:14:38 Matt Grow has come in in this span and then Bill O'Brien just got brought in and you've
01:14:43 got the craft stepping in and asking them to make changes this year.
01:14:46 And I think if you're Belichick and you say, hey, you your goal was for me to fix this
01:14:51 this year.
01:14:52 And I drafted a wide receiver that can play and got a signed a wide receiver from the
01:14:57 Super Bowl champs and drafted a guard who has been a very strong player for us, which
01:15:03 also fixed our tackle issue.
01:15:05 And the problem was from the drafts before, which we both already agreed were an issue.
01:15:10 And he could say, hey, you got to let me see this process out if you're asking for me to
01:15:13 change it.
01:15:14 Because the other thing is, if Mac Jones, Mac Jones was never going to be good, it didn't
01:15:17 matter what Bill Belichick did in this draft.
01:15:19 This team wasn't going to be good and there was no way he was going to be here next year.
01:15:23 Right.
01:15:24 Look, if Kraft says you're gone with all that, I think that's reasonable.
01:15:27 But all of those things are not necessarily false.
01:15:32 But again.
01:15:34 You're talking about and Doug who Gold says it, I think I think perfectly.
01:15:39 The marginal draft gains can't make up for the huge upfront misses.
01:15:43 They have whiffed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over for
01:15:51 the last probably 10 years.
01:15:54 They've whiffed and like that's.
01:15:59 At some point, you just can't sit there and say, well, you know, I drafted this guy and
01:16:02 I did this and I drafted this guy.
01:16:04 Well, if you want to fix the offense, I mean, you know, number one right away.
01:16:09 OK, you want to fix the offense.
01:16:11 Great.
01:16:12 You drafted defense, defense, defense the first three rounds.
01:16:15 What the hell are we doing now?
01:16:16 You're saying you want to fix the offense.
01:16:19 You drafted all three defensive players.
01:16:21 And again, I think Chris Gonzalez is a very good player, obviously.
01:16:26 And I think Keone White showing that he can play and that might come up who can maybe
01:16:31 will be able to play eventually, but like you lose the credibility by saying things
01:16:35 like that.
01:16:36 Right.
01:16:37 And that's and that again, it's a tough I drafted a wide receiver in the sixth round
01:16:40 and he hit great.
01:16:42 But like, are we really trusting that we're going to hit a six round wide receiver every
01:16:45 year like it's just not it's not feasible.
01:16:47 Yeah.
01:16:48 So like those are the things that, you know, that's where I look at it and say, man.
01:16:54 You know, you just you know, I don't know.
01:16:57 It's all fair to like I don't.
01:16:59 I think that's what makes this difficult or at least more complicated than in other situations,
01:17:04 because usually when a guy flames out, it's like, man, he didn't draft anybody good and
01:17:09 the team hates him and he needs to go.
01:17:11 And it's not quite that simple here.
01:17:13 And the guy has a long enough track record of success that I think you can at least somewhat
01:17:18 credibly make an argument that it's due more to bad luck and a couple of bad apples than
01:17:23 anything other than that.
01:17:24 I don't know if I buy that and I don't know if Kraft will buy that, but I don't think
01:17:28 it's a crazy argument.
01:17:29 I think it's a rational one.
01:17:31 And.
01:17:32 How it's going to be Kraft's call, we heard the rapport report that they're going to take
01:17:36 their time with this and that I feel like means one of two things.
01:17:41 It either means they feel like the next guy would be Mayo and they're not worried about
01:17:46 him leaving.
01:17:47 So they're going to have conversations internally and figure out if it's going to be Bill or
01:17:50 Mayo next year.
01:17:52 Or it means they're saying, hey, we don't know about this guy because they want somebody
01:17:55 to trade for him.
01:17:57 Yeah, no, it's you know.
01:17:59 Yeah, I don't know, man, stuff.
01:18:02 So anyways, I'm leaving on one last thing.
01:18:07 Everyone out there needs to remember that Ted Johnson accused Bill Belichick of forcing
01:18:14 him to play with a concussion.
01:18:17 So when you listen to him talk about Bill Belichick and about what the Patriots are
01:18:20 doing, do not listen to one word that man says, not one.
01:18:27 Don't listen to one period.
01:18:30 End of story and discussion.
01:18:32 Don't listen to one word.
01:18:33 OK, so let's just leave it that I'm not going to even discuss what he said.
01:18:36 I can discuss the comment.
01:18:39 I didn't even know he said.
01:18:40 So he just it's it's it's not a good after it's constant, it's consistent.
01:18:45 It just is what it is.
01:18:47 And you know, so there was one word to a question.
01:18:50 But anyways, all right, let's get out of here.
01:18:53 We're back Wednesday night again.
01:18:55 Special guest, new new guest, a new new new person on the scene, I think.
01:19:02 And so I'm excited to have her on.
01:19:03 So it'll be fun.
01:19:04 But Wednesday, Monday, Wednesday here, we're looking at the schedule.
01:19:08 Monday, Wednesday.
01:19:09 Yes, it seems that way.
01:19:10 But for anybody who doesn't come on Wednesday, enjoy your enjoy your Christmas.
01:19:14 Enjoy any holidays you're celebrating this time of year and enjoy your time with your
01:19:19 family.
01:19:20 And hopefully you can find a way to enjoy the Patriots Broncos game on Sunday night.
01:19:23 What's also should be a fun game.
01:19:25 I think it was fun.
01:19:26 I don't think maybe I think fun, fun and entertaining may not be the right words, but close might
01:19:32 be the way to describe this game.
01:19:34 You see, look at that.
01:19:35 Yeah.
01:19:36 All right, guys.
01:19:37 Well, thanks again.
01:19:38 And we will we'll talk to you on Wednesday.

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