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00:00 Oh boy.
00:01 Oh boy.
00:02 Sometimes all you can do is laugh, you know?
00:08 I'm just going to laugh.
00:10 I don't know what we do other than I like what's going on in your background as it continues
00:17 to grow.
00:18 Other than that, I don't like anything else today.
00:23 I don't like anything at all.
00:25 So here we are and let's see what happens after this game.
00:36 Wake up call or wheels come off the wagon or what.
00:40 I hate hyperbole because I want to go back and I want to think and think it over and
00:45 maybe look back and say, "Was this the worst ever?"
00:49 But I mean, this is as bad as it gets and I don't even know where to begin on it because
00:59 you knew they were challenged, right?
01:01 You knew they were going to be challenged to start the season.
01:04 You knew that they were staring potentially four losses if Aaron Rodgers were still playing.
01:09 But they got lucky.
01:11 They got the Zach Wilson win last week and then you knew Dallas was going to be challenging.
01:17 I mean, it's as bad as it gets and the offense, I just don't think they could look any worse.
01:21 Up until this point, maybe Mack wasn't perfect all the time, but he wasn't necessarily the
01:27 entire problem.
01:29 Today was a different story though.
01:30 Yeah, if we're talking about the worst loss in Patriots history, I don't think that's
01:35 true because you can just go back last year to the Bears game.
01:38 The offense and the defense were completely unprepared in that game.
01:41 I think that was worse where you're just like, "They're getting whooped."
01:45 Today I thought the defense, relatively, I thought they were outstanding.
01:49 They bent, but they didn't break down a ton of really good players.
01:53 They're down to Miles Bryant and Sean Wade having to hold it down on the outside, very
01:57 tough against a good Cowboys team.
02:00 But this was unequivocally Mack Jones' worst professional game and it's not close because
02:05 there have been games where he struggles and makes mistakes.
02:09 One thing I love about Mack is usually after an interception, he's good about bouncing
02:13 back.
02:14 He's going to do it the rest of the game and usually he locks in after those.
02:17 This is a game where he just completely capitalized, "Bad mistake, bad mistake," not really showing
02:25 any signs of life.
02:26 Another bet like this was, I tweeted it, "I've never seen him crumble like this."
02:30 You know me, I'm not one for hyperbole.
02:33 I'm hoping that I can look at the film and see some reason for optimism with his performance,
02:40 but it felt like he was trying to be a hero from pretty early on.
02:43 Plays where he's dropping back and immediately trying to scramble.
02:46 There are some times where I think that makes sense.
02:49 Think about, remember, against the Dolphins where he drops back on third and forever in
02:54 his own territory and leaves the pocket and tries to hit Gusecki on the scramble.
02:58 That one made sense because it's long down a distance, you need to buy time, you can't
03:02 just sit in the pocket.
03:03 But there were plays where he's bailing out of pockets before anything even gets there
03:09 or there's any pressure.
03:10 And then the decision making, it's like I've seen people try to blame the offensive line
03:14 and the receivers.
03:15 Did the offensive line give up pressure?
03:17 Sure, we knew that was going to happen coming into the game, but there were open receivers
03:20 that he wasn't throwing to.
03:22 And regardless of any of that, if there's no play to be made, if he's out there taking
03:26 coverage sacks, then fine.
03:28 I'm not saying anything bad about Mac Jones.
03:30 The fact that he's giving the other team points, being loose with the ball, getting stripped
03:34 near your own territory, throwing the ball across the field late outside.
03:41 I don't even know if I've ever acted like this on camera because I've never seen Mac
03:45 Jones do anything like this.
03:47 It's completely unacceptable quarterback play.
03:50 You can't put this on the receivers, you can't put this on the offensive line.
03:53 This was Mac Jones giving the Cowboys almost half the points that they scored.
03:57 Honestly, I don't think he's going to ever have a game like this again.
04:01 I think this truly is the worst game you may ever see from him as a pro.
04:04 And I'm not going to ring the bell like Ben Schmack.
04:06 This was one really bad game and I think he's been the reason that their offense has even
04:10 been competitive in the other games they played for the most part.
04:13 But good Lord, man.
04:15 We talked about last week, this was the day where they're on turf.
04:18 All the conditions are in their favor.
04:20 This is where you try to see the passing attack take a step forward.
04:23 And they took several steps back today.
04:26 Like a good Cowboys defense, but so, so bad.
04:30 Self-inflicted errors to the max.
04:31 Crazy.
04:32 All right.
04:33 I'm done with that rant.
04:34 No, I mean, that's the point.
04:37 This is what I look, man.
04:39 Trust me.
04:40 Why do you think I didn't jump in at any point?
04:44 Because I'm letting you cook here.
04:46 You know, like I don't want to bring the.
04:49 Yeah.
04:50 I mean, I know it's just like, I don't know where to go anymore because I don't want to
04:54 heap it on.
04:55 I also, like I said, as I feel weird doing these shows because the last thing I want
04:59 to do is like make it seem like it's a victory lap.
05:01 And I told you so fast.
05:03 But it's like you knew there were problems here, you know, with all parts of the offense,
05:09 with the offensive personnel.
05:11 And you know, you've got a quarterback that's, you know, I don't know that he's able to overcome
05:17 that stuff.
05:18 Now you wonder whether that stuff's starting to affect him.
05:20 You know, like you don't trust the line.
05:22 All of a sudden he's seeing ghosts.
05:24 That last pick he threw, you know, the not the pick, the last throw I think he made of
05:28 the game, that back foot, Mrs. Parker running across wide open.
05:34 He's got, I mean, he's wide open.
05:37 That's an easy pitch and catch, an easy pitch and catch.
05:41 There is no pressure at all.
05:44 And he's just floating back, throws it six feet over his head and behind him.
05:50 Like that was awful.
05:51 And that's seeing ghosts, you're bailing out on the player.
05:53 I don't want to be here anymore.
05:55 That was awful.
05:57 The interceptions are two of the worst throws I've ever seen.
06:02 Decision wise.
06:03 I mean, so the second one, so, so, so, so, so late, you know, you know, I still.
06:11 It's crazy.
06:12 He got away with it a few plays earlier and still beat it.
06:15 It's like, that's one where like, I'm sure O'Brien's in this year.
06:17 Like, okay, don't do that again.
06:19 Like, I don't know who you think you are.
06:21 Don't do that again.
06:22 Like he was trying to, I understand the playmaking mentality when things around you aren't going
06:27 super well.
06:28 I get that.
06:29 But so early in the game to take it to that extent.
06:33 And then tonight, it's one thing against the Dolphins where like he's doing it, but he's
06:36 actually making plays and it's like, all right, if you can do it, fine.
06:39 That's okay.
06:40 But when you're doing it and it's hurting the team and you're not even coming through,
06:44 like, I just, I truly did not expect this.
06:47 And again, like I'm not a Mac Jones apologist, but I like to put up the plays that show he's
06:52 not as bad as people like to make him out to be.
06:54 They act like he's got no redeeming qualities.
06:57 His decision-making, his vision, his accuracy from, you know, short to intermediate has
07:01 been very good this season.
07:03 Today was something I've never, ever seen from Mac Jones, from scouting him in college,
07:08 from watching him in the pros.
07:09 I've never seen anything like this, which is again, you hope that this is a low that
07:13 he hits and never gets close to this again.
07:16 But like you said, it's a, this is a real put up or shut up opportunity where you thought
07:21 that was today where it's, is the offense going to take a step forward and now it's
07:24 all right now that was pretty, pretty bad.
07:27 And if you don't show significant progress after this, then I think that fans are justified
07:33 in thinking, Hey, this may legitimately turn into a season where you are drafting max replacement
07:39 because yes, there are plenty of winnable games on this schedule, but there's also more
07:42 tough games coming up.
07:43 They played the dolphins again.
07:44 They play the bills twice.
07:45 I don't think Aaron Rogers coming back.
07:46 I'm not going to say anything like that, but like you have the, they had to play the champions
07:50 play the chiefs.
07:51 Like there's so many games on the schedule where going into the year, I thought the defense
07:55 is going to keep them in games, which it has every single week.
07:59 And I thought the offense, as long as they didn't make mistakes and hurt themselves,
08:02 they could at least put drives together and score.
08:05 Like I wasn't totally wrong in that.
08:06 It's just that the self inflicted mistakes are happening and it's keeping them from not
08:10 only just being like a solid, you know, middle of the pack offense.
08:14 I thought executing at full capacity, they could maybe be like top 12, top 14.
08:18 Now like they have a lot, a lot of work to do.
08:21 And I don't even think it was so much like, Oh, he has no run game.
08:24 The run game was up and down.
08:25 It's like they were getting some good chunks.
08:26 If you're still in the game, maybe as the game goes on, the run game looks better and
08:30 the protection wasn't great either.
08:32 I think, again, this is one where you have to look back at the tape and see how many
08:35 times he had an open receiver that he couldn't capitalize on, but it's just, it's the mistakes
08:41 more than anything.
08:42 It's if you have a hard time with the game plan, you need to make adjustments.
08:46 Guys aren't executing.
08:47 That's one thing, but turning the ball over and allowing the defense to score points,
08:52 that's like bottom of the barrel.
08:54 You are a very bad team if you do these things.
08:57 And that's what all of today was like, like you said, I don't want to pile on, but like
09:01 it truly was mind blowing to see this level of incompetence.
09:05 And this is what's frustrating with the overall kind of construct of the team.
09:11 And yet, can they turn it around?
09:12 Sure.
09:13 The schedule softens.
09:14 Okay.
09:15 Can they start playing better?
09:16 Can they get back?
09:17 Yeah, maybe.
09:18 Two potentially big losses on defense.
09:20 We'll see how significant that is.
09:23 Judon looked like he was in considerable pain and you don't want to, we don't know what's
09:26 going on there.
09:27 And also Christian Gonzalez was ruled out pretty quickly.
09:30 I wouldn't be surprised if both of those guys missed time at best.
09:35 Hopefully it's nothing beyond that, you know.
09:37 But the problem I think that I have, that I've always had, is that you have a quarterback
09:48 in the middle of a rookie deal.
09:49 You should have a lot more talent around him and they don't.
09:52 They don't.
09:53 They should and they don't.
09:54 The defense is solid, but they have no offensive talent to speak of.
09:58 And for the second year in a row, there's offensive line issues.
10:00 So now you've got trust issues.
10:02 Does Mack trust his line?
10:03 Are Mack and his receivers on the same page?
10:05 It doesn't look like it at all at times.
10:09 He said all the right things about O'Brien here, but if you keep putting out game scripts
10:13 like this or the games keep going this way, you're going to start wondering, are we doing
10:17 the right things here?
10:18 And all of a sudden, things can really start to unravel.
10:20 A loss like this can really, you know, I'm not going to say tank an entire season, but
10:28 it's a real reality check.
10:30 It absolutely can.
10:31 I'm not saying it will.
10:32 I don't know whether Bill Belichick trusts or likes Mack at all or think it's the best
10:39 that he can do.
10:40 So the problem is here is like, you're going to have a whole bunch of people, people here
10:43 even saying it on the issue.
10:45 You know, tank, tank, tank on the chat, tank, tank, tank.
10:49 You know, I don't think you'll ever intentionally tank.
10:51 I just think the offshoot of a potentially bad season is if you end up somewhere in the
10:55 top 10 next year, you are absolutely going to start to think about whether quarterback
10:59 is something you need to address again, which sucks because you should have had that taken
11:04 care of, hopefully, while adding other pieces like a one or two signature receivers or a
11:10 good tight end or tackles or something.
11:13 They don't have any of it.
11:14 So what are you building on from here?
11:17 This is the scary part if you're a Patriots fan is it might look bleak now.
11:22 Is the future any brighter at this point if something doesn't change?
11:27 I think so starting with the defense, like I tweeted this defense deserves so much better.
11:33 They really do like that performance.
11:36 So we did really well on drives the three and they forced like two three and outs in
11:41 a row.
11:42 They held the Cowboys to field goals until they just couldn't hold off like the beginning.
11:45 The first series we see the Patriots sometimes their defense will struggle on the first series.
11:49 Tackling was the bigger issue, which did scare me.
11:51 And I thought, Oh God, this is going to be a long game.
11:53 They tightened up with all the odds against them.
11:56 They tightened up and did a really good job.
11:58 And when it comes to the supporting talent, the offensive line, I think a lot of that
12:02 has just been injuries.
12:03 Like I know it's easy to point to Adrian Clement, all those things, but like right tackle has
12:07 been a turnstile because the guys they thought they were going to be able to rely on, rely
12:10 on him, all gotten hurt.
12:12 Calvin Anderson missed all of the summer and then had to kind of basically play cold.
12:16 And then obviously left guard, you had Antonio Mafia in there.
12:19 The offensive line, I think has just gotten a lot of bad luck in terms of the receiving
12:23 talent.
12:24 I said it going into the season that I thought that this was a team where like they would
12:27 have enough people where they don't have a number one, but they have five guys that you
12:30 can rely on, which is what I expected.
12:33 And it feels like, I don't know if it's poor use, like Mike Isiki isn't really a downfield
12:37 threat.
12:38 Devontae Parker is supposed to be your big play guy outside.
12:40 You're not seeing any of that from him.
12:42 Kendrick Bourne, you expect a big year out of, and he's kind of been there.
12:45 He kind of hasn't.
12:46 He's been inconsistent.
12:47 And then to Mario Douglas, I don't understand why he isn't getting more deliberate touches
12:53 or more involvement at this point.
12:55 Like I get that Juju, like the contract and they seem to like him in the building, but
12:59 he's not really doing well.
13:00 He had the big catch.
13:01 I think Wermack scrambled on the third and forever.
13:04 Like he'll have a catch that's pretty tough a game.
13:07 But besides that, what's he really adding?
13:09 Like it's usually anti-Belichick to put someone on the field for a contract or whatever, if
13:14 they're not producing and maybe I need to look harder or maybe it's something that's
13:18 going on behind the scenes that I don't know about.
13:20 I'd also like to acknowledge that you don't want to put all the onus on a rookie because
13:24 God knows how well he's executing behind the scenes and whether he's even earned that trust.
13:29 But it's just, it's the pieces are not coming together the way I expected they would.
13:33 And that's hurt as much as anything else.
13:36 But again, today was different because I don't really want to put it on everyone else because
13:41 the receivers in the offensive line didn't give the Cowboys 14 points.
13:45 So you know, it's, it's really tough.
13:47 And I, in terms of a rebuild, like I definitely think the offense needs to get a whole lot
13:52 of attention.
13:53 I don't even necessarily think you got to get a new quarterback.
13:56 I think that you have to keep investing in quarterback every year.
13:58 I just think that's the smart play.
14:00 If you've got a guy that you like, who's at a draft spot that you think is fair, that's
14:04 just good business.
14:05 They did it with Brady, but like, yeah, man, you, you need to at least try to bring someone
14:09 in to literally compete with Mac, not just Bailey's happy where, you know, he might,
14:14 he might creep up onto his heels if Mac is struggling like a real legitimate competition.
14:19 And yeah, I just, I think that they have to pull it together quickly.
14:24 And if they don't, we're going to have the answer to whether or not they need a rebuild
14:27 offensively because I thought they had the pieces to be solid and compliment the defense
14:32 and have this be a defense and special teams like football team.
14:34 Now I really don't know.
14:36 And I don't think we're going to know for sure until we see how they respond next week.
14:40 Yeah.
14:41 I don't know, man.
14:43 I really don't know.
14:44 I mean, I, you know where I stand on it.
14:46 I absolutely think that they need massive, if not overhaul, a massive talent infusion,
14:53 which includes a cup.
14:55 Look what they tried to do two years ago.
14:57 I think they have to do it again.
14:59 And that's when they went out and signed the two tight ends and Nelson Aguilor.
15:02 They have to spend some money for sure.
15:04 But it's again, it's if you don't have the quarterback or you don't have, there's just
15:08 so many holes you have to, so many positions you need to replenish.
15:12 I just don't know how you do it.
15:15 Really the question is, is if you're one of those teams that has to keep drafting and
15:20 developing quarterbacks or moving on or recognizing the guy you have, isn't the guy.
15:24 So you bring in your Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo, journeyman kind of stopgap replacement while
15:29 you figure stuff out.
15:30 And then you just continue to sputter in Jeff Fisher land.
15:33 Nobody's happy with that either.
15:35 So that's, what's kind of depressing now is I don't see what we're doing here.
15:39 You know, I really don't, I don't see what the plan is.
15:42 I don't see what their identity is.
15:44 I don't know who they want to be and what they want to do.
15:46 I think they want to play conservatively, limit mistakes, which obviously they did not
15:50 do today.
15:51 And they were really almost all on Mac Jones.
15:57 And then let the defense kind of hold the line for a little bit, but that's just not
16:01 sustainable.
16:02 Yeah.
16:03 I'm like, I really, I'm not even sure what to say anymore at this point.
16:09 I'm not, I feel like we're beating a dead horse.
16:11 That's the problem.
16:12 Yeah.
16:13 I don't know what the analysis is.
16:14 It's either it's either so bad you have to move on or you just have to live with this.
16:19 It's a weird feeling to be in for anyone who's watched or covered the Patriots for a long
16:22 time, but it's a mess.
16:25 It's just, it's a situation where it's sucks.
16:27 And I know people don't want to hear this.
16:28 It's what the position that we were in last week when we're saying, okay, they've been
16:31 in bad weather.
16:32 Let's see what they can do in a dome because you just can't say, because you don't know
16:35 how we need to see.
16:37 Okay.
16:38 Scratch that.
16:39 Can they bounce back from a complete shellacking?
16:43 And I guess we'll see.
16:45 I guess we'll see.
16:46 But do we have any audio or something we could toss to?
16:49 No, I mean, no, we, we, we, we might at some point, but Hunter Henry, we didn't play well
16:53 at all levels and just got exposed too many mistakes.
16:57 I David Andrews on Mac Jones confidence follows being benched.
17:01 I think we all have some confidence issues after a performance like that.
17:05 So I think they're all kind of getting it.
17:07 Like I, you know, they'll say the right things here.
17:09 It's just what happens next.
17:11 Yeah.
17:12 Yeah.
17:13 It's, it's, it's just, just an embarrassed.
17:16 I don't want to use hyperbole.
17:17 I don't want to like keep building on this, but I mean, yeah, next week is a massive,
17:22 massive bounce back game for them against another tough defense.
17:25 If we're being honest, like the saints are no slouches offensively.
17:28 You just can have them, but like they, they've got to go home and they've got to figure something
17:33 out because today, again, I don't think we will see a performance from Mac Jones.
17:39 It's as bad as what we saw today again in his career, because I really think he came
17:43 into this game feeling like he had to be Superman.
17:45 And I hope he was very much humbled by, by what happened today.
17:50 Yeah.
17:51 We'll see.
17:52 Bailey Zappi went to the podium.
17:53 I don't know if that means in place of Mac or Mac is also going to go interesting development
17:59 there.
18:00 I also need some lip readers to tell me what they, what Bill Belichick said to him when
18:04 he came off there.
18:05 Cause again, the question will be, here's the question that will be asked.
18:09 Well, we'll ask that question in just a minute.
18:13 Because I am curious how people interpret the benching.
18:15 Was it a benching or did he come out of a blowout?
18:18 Because what's the point of keeping your quarterback into a blowout like that?
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19:57 So real quick, let's ask you Taylor, what do you think here?
20:00 Was he benched, meaning like you're so bad, you're coming out of the game?
20:05 Was he benched because it's like you're just having a bad day, let's give you a break here?
20:10 Or was it like I don't want to expose my quarterback to any more of this, this game is over?
20:14 Well, I think that we all know that Mac is better than Zappi.
20:18 I don't think anybody on this island...
20:19 We all knew it last year too.
20:21 Absolutely.
20:22 Not all.
20:24 Any Zappi love is Mac hate.
20:26 That's all it is.
20:27 It's not actual love for Bailey Zappi.
20:30 This guy was freaking cut and nobody picked him up.
20:32 Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Bailey Zappi is the answer.
20:36 I just think people get so annoyed and disgusted with Mac that that's what happens.
20:40 Yeah.
20:41 So I just want to make sure we're on the same page there.
20:43 I'm with you.
20:44 I'm not saying pull Mac.
20:46 You don't have options here.
20:47 Yeah.
20:48 I think this was just one of those where it's like, hey man, it's not your day.
20:51 Trade him to the Jets.
20:54 For whom?
20:55 For Quinn and Williams.
20:56 Just kidding.
20:57 Trade him to the Jets.
20:59 Yeah, but this is just...
21:01 I think they were saying, hey man, you're having a hard time.
21:05 There's no point in you being out here anymore.
21:07 We're just going to keep you on the sideline.
21:10 Mac seemed like he was in fine spirits.
21:11 He joked around with Devontae Parker when they went to the next possession.
21:17 I mean, hey, good for his mental health that he wasn't feeling the way that a lot of us
21:21 were feeling watching.
21:22 Geez, yeah, they were just squatting on routes, according to...
21:29 Daron Brand said that the secondary squatting on routes, not respecting the Patriots ability
21:33 to get vertical.
21:34 He said the approach today was influenced by what they saw on film, which is not encouraging.
21:39 I'll ask you this as well.
21:43 What exactly does Bill O'Brien do?
21:46 And I'm not saying it's not more organized than last year, but is it better?
21:49 Are there wrinkles?
21:50 Is he maximizing personnel?
21:52 Are people on the same page?
21:54 Are they doing anything different or exotic?
21:56 Are they doing anything that is something that challenges or stresses defenses?
22:01 And also, they haven't really been good to start games when you're supposed to have the
22:05 scripted portion of things, where you supposedly have the smartest guys in the room, and they're
22:11 starting poorly every single week here.
22:13 So what's going on with that right now?
22:16 Is it just the personnel is so limited?
22:19 Are we just...
22:20 You're right.
22:21 Ultimately, yes.
22:22 You know they can't stretch the field.
22:25 You know Mac doesn't have the arm.
22:26 You know you don't have receivers that are going to beat you, get downfield on you.
22:30 You don't have to sweat it.
22:31 So yeah, you can absolutely sit on that underneath stuff.
22:34 That's not film.
22:35 Everybody knows that.
22:37 Yeah.
22:40 I would say that I actually liked their opening drive.
22:44 They looked good on the opening drive.
22:46 Obviously there was a play that popped.
22:47 Yeah, sure.
22:48 They had an opening drive.
22:49 They got their field goal.
22:50 Okay, right.
22:51 Right.
22:52 So like on that opening series, I didn't even think there was really anything wrong.
22:54 You know Mac had some pressure up the middle, and then he kind of lofted the pass.
22:58 People said it was a drop by Giesicki.
23:00 I don't think having to extend with one hand and the ball goes off your fingertips, I don't
23:04 call that a drop personally.
23:06 I think that was just a good play by the defense, and I wish they'd gone for it on the fourth
23:09 down to try to get a touchdown.
23:11 But I think that there could be better use of personnel.
23:14 Like again, Devontae Parker, I don't know if it's a health thing or what.
23:17 He hasn't been on the injury report, but it's been really weird.
23:19 Like the back shoulder grab he had from Zappi was the first one of those he's had all season,
23:23 and that's supposed to be his bread and butter.
23:25 I thought that's been pretty weird.
23:27 I think they're trying with Kendrick Bourne, and it just hasn't been connecting.
23:31 Juju doesn't really give you much.
23:33 I think they're trying to get Hunter Henry, those touches.
23:36 I think more play action would help a lot with guys like Giesicki and Hunter Henry,
23:40 open them up.
23:41 I think they tried that.
23:42 They had play action on two of their first three plays.
23:44 I really thought that this script was actually starting to kind of build towards something
23:47 positive, and then it just completely went off the rails and they had to throw it out.
23:50 So it's also hard for me to even look at Bill O'Brien and say, "Well, what are you thinking?"
23:54 Because then he looks dumb coming out in 13th-personnel down all these points.
23:58 But it's like that was probably their game plan.
23:59 People don't realize that you only have so many plays going into the game.
24:03 Just because you're down by three touchdowns or whatever, however many they were down by
24:09 in the second half, just because you're down by a lot doesn't mean you can just throw everything
24:12 out and put something else new in.
24:13 It looked like a lot of their game plan was based around multiple tight end sets.
24:17 So then they look crazy when they're going under center with triple wing, and it's like,
24:21 "Well, what are you doing?
24:22 You're down all these points."
24:24 So I think they want to be a team that runs the ball well, goes off play action, which
24:28 is fine.
24:29 I think that is a good idea for what they do offensively and what they have.
24:32 And again, I think that Devontae Parker's use is a little odd.
24:36 I thought Tyquan Thornton coming back might have been able to help stretch things out
24:39 a little bit.
24:40 But I really, I can't put this really on Bill O'Brien.
24:42 Like, could he be doing things better?
24:44 Yes.
24:45 But at the same time, the offense hasn't been executing things.
24:47 No, I'm not putting it on Bill.
24:51 I think Bill was put as a savior.
24:53 Meaning a savior, meaning like all you needed was not what they had last year to return
24:59 to normalcy.
25:00 And it, I mean, and you look, I mean, the numbers will be a lot different after this
25:04 game, but through three games, things like DVOA and certain things, even though you weren't
25:09 seeing them rack up points, they were better, trending better than what they were last year.
25:14 A little, even though it wasn't great.
25:16 No, it was far from great.
25:18 Slightly better, league average to slightly below league average, but not great at all.
25:24 This was a bad, bad, bad, bad offensive performance.
25:29 So I don't know.
25:31 I am only, I'm only putting it out there because I think O'Brien was, it was thought that all
25:37 they needed to return to okay was him and that would be fine.
25:41 But I mean, for the love of God.
25:42 And again, I think that if you don't, it's not this bad.
25:45 I mean, but you can't, it's again, we're grasping all over the place here.
25:50 It's like, I think Callahan tweeted it, but like, I don't know how much time they spent
25:54 in 13 personnel, but like, you know, you're down and you have the ball and you're trying
25:58 to drive and you come out, you know, of that, you know, critical situation.
26:02 You, you've got Farrell Brown, one receiver, Gacyki, Henry, like, what are you going to
26:07 do with that?
26:08 Honestly?
26:09 Like, what are you going to do with that?
26:10 They did not plan for a shootout.
26:12 I think that is very obvious.
26:14 They thought they were going to be able to control this game.
26:16 And again, if the offense doesn't give the Cowboys 14 points, it would have been fine.
26:21 If they're coming down 13 personnel minus 14 points for the Cowboys in the third quarter,
26:26 it doesn't look that bad because it's all right.
26:28 You can still play your game.
26:29 And even Greg Olson said coming out of halftime, he was like, I think they can still play their
26:32 game.
26:33 And he's like, all right, well, that's why they're coming out.
26:35 Understand with all these tight ends.
26:36 Again, it just looks worse because you weren't planning to have to throw the ball that much
26:41 because you don't have the personnel to get into a shootout with the Cowboys.
26:46 I'm sick.
26:47 Like literally, spiritually sick.
26:54 I am physically sick.
26:56 My brain is sick.
26:58 I am a mess.
27:03 That was rough.
27:04 That was rough.
27:05 I'm looking here and see if there's any new stuff coming from the locker room right now.
27:13 Oh, yeah.
27:14 An apology?
27:15 This was Callahan's tweet.
27:16 Trailing 31 to 3, the offensive personnel of the Patriots feel that they begin mounting
27:19 their comeback.
27:20 Farrow, Brown, Hunter, Henry, Gusecki, Devante Parker, and Ezekiel Elliott.
27:24 Like, I mean, Taylor, I think you can outrun five of those guys.
27:28 I can take Farrow Brown for sure.
27:31 Don't tell him I said that.
27:33 He's a very large man.
27:35 I don't know what that gets back to him.
27:38 Oh, there's already a clip of you.
27:40 I don't know if I've ever acted like this on camera.
27:42 It's a different day, man.
27:46 Like at some point, I can only...
27:48 I'm optimistic.
27:49 I'm not stupid.
27:50 Yeah.
27:51 It usually takes...
27:52 No, I mean, like I said, I hate seeing the sunny beaten out of reporters like you or
27:56 Evan, you know, kind of coming in with more of a, like, everything's going to be okay.
28:02 Like, you know, a positive outlook on things.
28:04 You know, I'm not calling you a homer.
28:06 I'm just saying you have a sunnier outlook on the possibilities.
28:08 Yeah.
28:09 And so I don't...
28:10 It's sports.
28:11 That's what sports are about.
28:12 But when a team does this, it's like, well, I'm not covering my eyes.
28:17 I gotta go like it is.
28:19 It's sad.
28:20 I'm sad watching you here, you know, watching this, watching you unravel this way.
28:25 It's difficult to watch.
28:26 I don't mind.
28:27 I feel like I'm watching myself grow in front of America's eyes, or at least in front of
28:31 New England's eyes.
28:32 I'm becoming a man in the world of sports entertainment.
28:35 No, man.
28:36 It's tough.
28:37 This is my bar mitzvah.
28:38 Nobody wants this, right?
28:39 I mean, you know, because you run out of directions to take the conversation here.
28:46 So I mean, I'll just ask you, is it just simply this is what they got and they gotta just
28:53 limit the turnovers, be more efficient, hit the plays that are there, and just kind of
28:58 everything's just gonna be a slog this season because this is just what we've got?
29:02 Have you seen enough to say, I don't see this opening up and being anything other than passable
29:07 if they clean it all up?
29:09 I need a thoughtful answer.
29:14 I think that Kendrick Bourne and DeMario, I need to be saying yes, but I'd like to see
29:21 Kendrick Bourne underneath more because like anytime you see a nice play after the catch,
29:25 it's either DeMario Douglas or is Kendrick Bourne.
29:27 Kendrick Bourne is a great blocker and I know like a lot of the RPO stuff they do.
29:31 That's a big part of his game.
29:33 Like he needs to be getting the ball so he can make plays.
29:35 And then you need Devante Parker to be more active downfield.
29:38 I'd like to see them actually capitalize on Mike Kisicki size against when teams defend
29:42 them with nickel cornerbacks.
29:43 Like they're coming out in 13 personnel and using Kisicki as a slot receiver.
29:46 Well, if you're not going to use them that much as a blocker, you're not going to depend
29:49 on him really as a blocker.
29:51 He still does it, but that's not why he's on the field.
29:54 If he's got a foot on a cornerback, like do something with that.
29:57 It's weird that Kisicki seems like an almost an afterthought in this offense, unless they're
30:01 in bad positions.
30:03 So those are some of the places where I'm like, well, I don't know if you're using guys
30:07 as well as they should be used.
30:08 So I mean, like I don't want to pretend I know more than Bill O'Brien and he does a
30:14 really good job of using guys to their strengths.
30:16 So there's a bit of like, all right, well, maybe you might not understanding something
30:19 or what, but I mean, you need answers.
30:22 And after four weeks, we've seen Kisicki really only be like an underneath option and like
30:27 kind of a decoy and some of these personnel packages, Devante Parker is not really doing
30:32 anything downfield the way that you expected him to coming into the season.
30:36 And again, the guys you're throwing to underneath, I like Hunter Henry.
30:38 Anytime they throw Hunter Henry the ball, I feel like it's a good thing.
30:41 He's not going to wow you necessarily, but he's the guy who can at least get them chunk
30:44 plays.
30:45 The only guy who's been able to get them chunk plays consistently.
30:47 So I, Mac definitely disappointed in myself.
30:51 I'm sorry, bud, but yeah, that's good self-awareness.
30:53 Yeah.
30:54 We'll get some, we'll get some of that out there for you guys to listen to as well before
30:58 we wrap it up and just get their thoughts.
31:00 But I mean, I imagine that's what they're going to say here.
31:04 It's kind of a frustrating thing.
31:06 You know, the the run game can't get going either.
31:09 And again, that's like, they were not even that bad.
31:14 Like they were, they had some nice games, then they get stopped.
31:17 Then they had a couple of nice games.
31:18 Like it's not even like they're running into a wall every time and you're like, Oh, well,
31:22 we got to pass.
31:23 It got to the point where they couldn't run anymore because Dallas was like, are you really
31:26 coming out under center with three tight ends?
31:28 Yeah, we're going to play the run because we dare you to throw the ball.
31:31 Like I don't even think that you can say that they couldn't run it because they were inconsistent.
31:35 The whole point of running the ball is to stay in the game long enough that you can
31:37 bang, bang, bang, at least make them respect you.
31:40 And then by the fourth quarter, you hope that you wear them out.
31:43 You can't blame the run game.
31:44 The run game was fine.
31:47 How was it?
31:48 Wait, how was it fine?
31:49 I think the run game was, I know like Zeke had two or three pretty good carries.
31:53 23 carries for 53 yards.
31:55 I'm not saying throughout the whole game, like obviously like everything went out with
31:59 a long of nine.
32:01 So again, like you're thinking those are, that's two drives.
32:04 Zeke had six for 16 yards and nine came on one.
32:08 I'm not saying they were explosive.
32:11 I'll say they were efficient.
32:12 So I'll even go back right now.
32:13 This is all the way at the end of the game.
32:16 Ramondre 14 for 30.
32:18 I'm looking at like play by play.
32:19 Cause I'm not saying they were an explosive rushing offense.
32:21 I'm saying that they still had enough decent gains.
32:24 You're like, all right.
32:25 So Ramondre on a first to 10 had a six yard gain.
32:27 Then he had a three yard gain instead of third and one.
32:29 Yes, but I'm saying like on the drives before the game was out of hand, a Zico Elliot up
32:36 the middle for nine yards.
32:38 Then he got a four yard gain on second and one.
32:41 And then the offense just completely sputtered.
32:43 So like I'm saying, it wasn't like the offensive run game was dominating.
32:47 I'm saying they had enough solid carriers.
32:49 You're saying, all right, maybe don't make this like a 70% run game.
32:53 Like it was last week, not 70%, but you know what I'm saying?
32:56 Maybe don't like only lead on the run game, but it wasn't so bad.
32:59 They just like, Oh, second quarter, we can't run the ball anymore.
33:02 It wasn't that bad.
33:03 No, it just got completely out of whack when they gave the game away.
33:07 It was just another thing that they couldn't really do.
33:09 You know, and again, you talk about, you go back to that Cam, Cam, uh, the Cam Newton
33:15 season, they decided they were just going to be bullies.
33:17 Um, this year they are, uh, shoot on the bicep.
33:23 So I, that's what I said right away.
33:25 I was like that.
33:26 I was like, my fear was torn bicep.
33:27 Um, you know, right off the bat, they were saying elbow, um, there, but now the report
33:34 is he's got a bicep injury, bicep tendon injury.
33:36 That was my worry that he tore his bicep, um, the way he grabbed at it and this and
33:41 that.
33:42 So, um, I'd be prepared to be without, I mean, it feels like, it feels like an, at least
33:48 an IR stint, if not for who knows is, might be on the table here.
33:53 And the question is with Gonzalez, um, let's say this, they did a really good job, as you
33:59 said, playing without Gonzalez who left, you know, in the second quarter, I believe, and
34:03 without any Joneses, no Joneses, no John, no Jack, no Marcus, um, Jack Jones on IR returning
34:10 in a week or two.
34:11 Um, John Jones, we don't know.
34:13 Maybe he'll be around sooner than later.
34:15 Uh, Marcus also on IR, correct?
34:18 Uh, Marcus Jones.
34:20 Yes.
34:21 I don't know if, I don't know if they've said if it's short or long-term, I know it's
34:24 an injury where it's kind of like, eh, it could be either one depending on how long
34:27 it is.
34:28 So now if you lose that and you lose, uh, you know, they've lost a couple of pieces
34:32 along the way on the defensive line.
34:34 And that now you're talking about Gonzalez, uh, if he misses extended time, all of a sudden
34:40 things get really interesting.
34:41 Cause if the defense can't be the defense, we think it can be, um, and the offense is
34:47 what they have right now, all of a sudden, every single game is a real question mark
34:51 on the table here, you know, and you really wonder what happens here.
34:55 What happens if it goes to one in five, one in six, one in seven, you know, like, like,
35:00 Oh, you know, like, what do they do?
35:02 You know, do you start to trade parts and pieces of trade deadline?
35:05 Do you try, you know, do you sell it, sell everything and say not our year?
35:09 Do you above all else?
35:12 What I would like to see when you talked about fixing the offense or talking about what you
35:15 can do with the offense, I think you've got it.
35:19 I think, I think you have to have to have to see what you have in Douglas and play him
35:25 more, see what you have in Boutte and give him another shot to come in and throw Thornton
35:30 out there as well.
35:31 When he comes, it doesn't mean that they're going to be better than what you currently
35:34 have.
35:35 But if you get to the point where you realize this team ain't making the playoffs, um, so
35:40 what are we doing?
35:41 You know, like, let's, let's, let's develop, let's see what we have in some of these guys.
35:46 Let's give them a chance.
35:47 So maybe by next year, I'll know whether I need five new receivers as opposed to two.
35:54 Yeah.
35:57 And Bill doesn't really do that.
35:59 He doesn't.
36:00 Uh, it's just like, I keep getting hit by a wall of just, this is, this is almost funny.
36:06 Um, cause yeah, man losing, losing Matt Judon.
36:14 I don't know if people understand what that loss means exactly, because it's not just
36:19 you lose your best pass rusher.
36:21 Cause technically he's not even the best pass rusher specifically.
36:24 I would say that's like Josh Uche.
36:26 Although obviously Matt Judon's pass rush value is immense.
36:30 But beyond that, Matt Judon is one of your better run defenders.
36:33 Like he's very, very sturdy, holding the edge when he's in there on those opportunities.
36:38 And as we saw against the Dolphins, as we saw, uh, last week, he also drops into coverage
36:42 as well.
36:43 He's a very well-rounded player who does a lot of things for them on top of all the energy
36:47 he brings.
36:48 So that's a massive loss where rather than having, he's also one of their only well-rounded
36:53 edge defenders.
36:54 I think the only other one you have is Keon White who had his own share of mistakes today.
36:58 And I don't think he's someone, I think it's fine.
37:00 We'll see, you know, maybe give him a bigger role, see how much he can handle as a heavier
37:05 rotational player.
37:07 But man, that means Anthony Jennings and Josh Uche are your top guys.
37:11 Both of them are pretty niche players who fill specific roles for you.
37:14 And then it's Keon White, Dietrich Wise obviously can play on the edge, but he's more of a,
37:18 you know, throwback defensive end, not really an outside linebacker, like how they use their
37:22 edges.
37:23 So man, and then Gonzalez, like that just goes without saying.
37:27 He's been their best corner from day one and now you lose him on top of, you know, maybe
37:32 Jonathan Jones comes back because if they didn't put him on injured reserve, but kept
37:35 him inactive for three weeks straight, you figure that they either, it was a really a
37:39 week to week thing where they just haven't known, or they expected he'd be back after
37:43 this week so that they did.
37:44 That's why they didn't place him on injured reserve with designation to return.
37:48 But I don't know, man.
37:52 You know, people are saying here in the chat, I think they're, I don't think you tank.
38:02 I don't think you tank.
38:03 I don't tank because nobody tanks.
38:04 It's not a real thing.
38:05 Okay.
38:06 I mean, some organizations tank.
38:09 Coaches and players don't tank.
38:11 Some organizations put a product on the field that they don't think is going to win.
38:15 They decide not to spend and not to do certain things now because they're building towards
38:20 the future and if they lose a bunch of games, great, because then they can, you know, you
38:25 know that organizations do take steps back.
38:28 They don't have the cap space this year.
38:30 They're just going to ride it out and lose.
38:33 When you're in a season and a season that began with playoff aspirations, you don't
38:36 tank.
38:37 Like you're not just going to stop playing.
38:39 Like Bill Belichick's not going to say it.
38:41 And yes, under no circumstance, I'm not going to say no one ever does it.
38:47 But the reality is the coaches want to win.
38:49 The players want to win.
38:51 Bill Belichick also runs the organization.
38:53 He's not tanking.
38:54 It's just not going to happen.
38:56 But as I said, there's a difference between tanking and getting to a point where now you
39:02 realize the wins and losses are no longer significant.
39:05 So start to play people that are part of your future instead of your soon to be past.
39:10 And that's what I would like to see happen if it goes in that direction.
39:13 I want to see I don't care if all Tyquan Thornton can do is run straight and get bumped out
39:18 of bounds because he's too skinny.
39:20 I just want to see him do it a hundred times.
39:21 I want to see him throw it to him a hundred times and see what he comes up with.
39:25 See what you've got there.
39:26 You know?
39:27 Yeah.
39:28 At some point, I definitely think a youth movement will be in order.
39:29 I want to see DeMario get ten targets.
39:34 You know, enough.
39:36 Just keep throwing it at Mario.
39:37 It's like literally, literally what was the worst that could have happened?
39:41 And again, a lot of that's game plan.
39:42 Like, you're not just going to stick him into a position that he hasn't practiced all week.
39:46 So you know, some of that I was mostly joking when I said just throw to him every play.
39:50 But I mean, from here on out, like what do you have to lose?
39:53 What is Juju bringing that's so valuable you shouldn't see what your most explosive offensive
39:57 player has to offer?
40:01 I don't really know, especially like, you know, the really nice play that he had on
40:05 that first drive where he spins around, gets up the sideline there and you get a big play
40:09 and like, yeah, you're like, okay, maybe they're investing in DeMario this game.
40:13 And then times were so good then.
40:15 Remember how good that felt?
40:16 That first?
40:17 Oh my God.
40:18 Look, they're doing stuff.
40:19 This is great.
40:20 I was happy then.
40:21 Look at all the stuff they're doing.
40:22 It's amazing.
40:23 A couple quick programming notes before we wrap.
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42:06 So what do we do now, Taylor?
42:10 What happens next?
42:16 What do you got?
42:22 In terms of what?
42:23 Where do we, where do we, yeah, that's a good question.
42:26 Where do we start?
42:27 I would say, I mean, you quarterback just can't do that again.
42:32 Like coming into this game, I don't think anybody was, huh?
42:36 Right.
42:37 Demario Douglas, right?
42:38 Like he fumbles once and he gets benched forever.
42:41 Mac Jones makes three of the most horrific turnovers you can imagine that are entirely
42:44 on him.
42:45 And yeah, eventually he got benched, but like, there's gotta be consequences.
42:49 As you said, Taylor, like this defensively, they could have stayed in this game if the
42:55 offense just didn't puke all over itself.
42:57 They could have lost the game 20 to three, you know, but still had the ball with a chance
43:02 to get within a score or whatever and make it competitive and like stay in the game.
43:06 They weren't in it.
43:07 Real quick while we, while we discuss what you do with Mac here.
43:11 And I am curious whether, you know, what all of the forgotten stuff from the off season
43:15 about the rift between Mac and Bill.
43:17 And honestly, I still don't think Mac handled that great in the preseason.
43:21 Every time he was asked about Bill's input on the offense, he'd talk about Bill O'Brien
43:24 and talk about how good Bill Belichick is with defense.
43:27 I don't know how connected they are, but Mac, I think you ride or die at this point with
43:31 them.
43:32 But hold on.
43:33 Oh, Dak Prescott on Zeke.
43:37 They need to play him more, but hey, who am I?
43:39 Anyway, here's Mac after the game talking about his performance.
43:42 Mac, how do you sort of explain what unfolded out there today?
43:47 Yeah, I think for me, just not good enough wasn't my day.
43:51 Can't turn the ball over like that and try and be good teams.
43:53 So definitely a lot to learn from.
43:56 Definitely disappointed in myself.
43:57 I feel like I can play a lot better and I have to to be good teams.
44:01 Do you know what your starting status is going forward?
44:05 Are you concerned?
44:06 What do you think this week will be like for you?
44:08 I think it'll be a good test just for me, just trying to stay focused on what I can
44:13 control and that's playing better.
44:14 So just got to evaluate everything and it wasn't my day today.
44:19 Hopefully there's better days ahead.
44:25 That tells me nothing.
44:26 What are you laughing about?
44:27 It's just a ridiculous circumstance, man.
44:28 Like what's he supposed to say?
44:29 I'm not saying I'm not like defending him.
44:30 I'm just saying like you play terribly, man.
44:31 You just got to take it on the chin and move on.
44:32 That's all you can do.
44:33 How much damage?
44:34 This is a good point that this guy with multiple first names has Mike Larry, Mike Larry, David
44:41 Bill damaged a kid in year two.
44:42 I don't know.
44:43 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:44 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:45 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:46 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:47 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:48 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:49 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:50 I mean, I think he's a good kid.
44:57 I don't know.
44:58 I don't think it helped.
44:59 I definitely don't think it helped.
45:00 I don't, I don't, we don't need to be going back because of how badly he played today.
45:04 Like, I don't like, no, last year did not help that had no bearing on what happened
45:09 tonight.
45:10 That was just really, really bad football from Mac Jones.
45:12 Doesn't matter what happened in the past.
45:14 That's just objectively full stop.
45:16 Can't do that again.
45:17 Like you said, I can't do that again.
45:18 I have to be better.
45:19 I can't do this.
45:20 I can't do this.
45:21 I think if Bill did something, it wasn't the coaches he gave him last year and psychologically
45:24 scarred him.
45:25 I think it's everything else that happened around it, which is again, the personnel issues.
45:29 It's just, you talked about the last years of Brady, you know, and we talked about it
45:34 a ton and how Brady wasn't happy and Brady wanted more, you know, to be taken care of
45:39 and more weapons and this and that.
45:41 And even the final Super Bowl, they won that more with defense.
45:45 And Brady wasn't super happy that year.
45:46 And just the things that he wanted were never fully addressed in the later years.
45:51 And they took it for granted.
45:52 They took him, he felt he was taken for granted and they ignored, you know, whatever, you
45:58 know, whatever you can do to make your quarterback happy.
46:00 I, they haven't done a freaking thing to help Mac Jones out outside of O'Brien this year.
46:07 But yes, I mean, absolutely nothing to make his job any easier right now.
46:11 And I think there's gotta be a philosophical change because the offensive line has been
46:15 an issue.
46:16 I don't, I think that not investing in tackle sooner more than what he did this off season
46:22 is the problem.
46:23 I think that you knew Isaiah Wynn was on shaky ground, be it performance, health, or even
46:28 if he was going to be on the team, but you didn't invest in a replacement plan for him
46:33 with an early enough pick or, you know, for agency or whatever, where you could say, okay,
46:38 you know, the, the season isn't going to rely on him because that screwed them last year.
46:42 And I think it also screwed them this year.
46:43 I think they tried to address it this season as well as they could without just completely
46:47 overspending on a tackle and that blew up in their face.
46:51 But in terms of the philosophy of spending on a weapon, like this is the season where
46:54 I'm like, yeah, man, you got to do something because if you can't rely on the protection,
46:59 then you at least need to give him someone where when he's in these bad situations, they
47:03 can find open spaces or they can at least catch the ball, even if they're not open and
47:06 produce big plays on their own.
47:08 And that just hasn't been happening.
47:10 So I think this has to be the season where you can see it to some degree and be like,
47:14 all right, we really do need to help this guy out.
47:17 On a, on Mac Jones, Belichick insists he did not bench him.
47:22 He said, didn't he say that last year too?
47:25 When he benched him?
47:27 He, he like put it this way.
47:28 He is more definitive today.
47:30 He said Jones is starting next week.
47:32 He, he, last year he let quarterback controversies fester.
47:36 Tonight, he's not.
47:38 Which is better because ultimately, of course you're starting him.
47:41 It's the only option that you have.
47:43 And what's the point of messing with the guy's head like you did last year, which was ridiculous
47:46 by the way.
47:47 Yeah, no people in the chat saying excuses for Mac.
47:50 No one's making excuses for Mac.
47:52 All of it is true.
47:54 It's a little bit of everything.
47:55 They've got problems all up and down the board and Mac played a horrible, horrible game today.
48:00 The point being is he's the only guy you've got.
48:03 You can shuffle around the deck chairs a little bit and you can add personnel and you could
48:08 have added some more in the off season to do things.
48:11 You couldn't really get another quarterback.
48:13 So you have to find a way to make what Mac can do for you work.
48:17 And they don't have that right now.
48:19 What bugs me the most is if you're not going to spend on that personnel, Taylor, and go
48:23 get the shiny expensive receiver or draft them or, or, you know, or do whatever.
48:29 Then the people you do bring in at your bargain basement values are the people that you draft
48:34 who might've been a little bit lower on other people's draft boards have to be able to play
48:37 clean.
48:38 They have to not make mistakes.
48:39 You can't be a penalized team.
48:41 You can't turn the ball over.
48:42 They're not doing that either.
48:43 They really are.
48:44 I always use the metaphor.
48:45 Like I always use the analogy.
48:47 They're like a pitcher who throws 87 miles an hour.
48:50 Like they gotta be on the black all the time with movement, perfect control.
48:55 They leave anything out over the plate.
48:56 It's going to get fricking smacked.
48:57 So the Patriots cannot make mistakes.
49:00 They cannot do it because they just don't have enough talent to be able to make up for
49:04 it.
49:05 And we can talk about, you know, get a new quarterback in here or whatever, but then
49:09 that guy's just going to have to deal with the situation they have right now anyway.
49:12 And like, yeah, having a superman ability, like even if they had Josh Allen in here,
49:15 how much better would they really be?
49:17 Like yeah, they'd probably score more points and they would hang on to more drives.
49:20 Well, I'll put it this way, but we'd be saying the same thing about, we'll give this guy
49:24 help.
49:25 He's got, he's floundering out there.
49:26 Sure.
49:27 But flip the script.
49:28 If Mack Jones was in San Francisco instead of Brock party, they'd still be a wagon.
49:32 No, a hundred percent.
49:33 I'm just saying like, it's not just quarterback.
49:36 It is the offensive line.
49:37 It is a wide receiver position.
49:38 And these were things where I went into the season saying if the offensive line is solid
49:43 and the, and your offensive pieces are contributing, like I didn't even think they were going to
49:47 have a superstar in the offense.
49:48 I thought they just have a lot of solid contributors, which would be enough in an offense that schemes
49:53 you well enough that you can be on these long drives and you're not going to be biting yourself,
49:58 but they've been doing all of those things.
50:00 So yeah, I just, I don't think it's as easy as just get a weapon, which I think honestly
50:05 is probably one of the biggest things that would help.
50:08 Or like get a new quarterback.
50:09 It's, you have to maybe get more depth and more talented offensive tackle.
50:12 You do need to get a weapon.
50:14 He needs a binky, even if he had an Edelman, you know, and we're not talking, I'm not to
50:19 downplay what Edelman is, but we're not talking about Edelman as like one of these premium
50:23 outside every year going to a pro bowl.
50:26 I mean, Edelman was outstanding.
50:28 I, one of my favorite Patriots, you know, you know, of that, you know, 2.0 era.
50:34 But even that you had the guy, he had it in Myers a little bit.
50:38 You took that away from him too.
50:40 And I didn't love that Myers was that guy because I thought he was so limited.
50:44 You know, he's just a guy who's just going to catch it and fall down.
50:47 But you had a guy you connected with.
50:48 He doesn't connect.
50:49 Who was he connecting with right now?
50:51 Born a little.
50:52 That's about it.
50:53 Yeah.
50:54 And he doesn't have a Henry a little, but I mean, you know, Henry's so physically limited.
51:00 He can only do so much.
51:02 Yeah, man.
51:04 What did you Kobe thing?
51:06 Like every game that passes, I feel like my feeling that it was okay that they moved on
51:11 from him.
51:12 I didn't, I wanted them to keep him at the right price.
51:15 And I guess that wasn't their price and they felt comfortable.
51:18 But again, it's just, it's, it's not even just that it's so many people not stepping
51:23 up.
51:24 You expected would do that.
51:25 Like Kendrick born the whole thing last year was he's in the doghouse and he's not in good
51:28 enough shape that he said, and that was in the best shape of his life.
51:31 He's saying, and he's was handed an opportunity to be one of the main contributors.
51:35 He's being handed one of the foremost opportunities to be a playmaker on the seam and he just
51:40 isn't capitalizing on it.
51:41 So like really, man, I don't know.
51:45 Like there's, there's so many problems and so many people that need to step up and it's
51:50 because it's not just Mac Jones.
51:52 Like people need to be able to make plays for him as well.
51:55 It can't all be on him, but he can't do what he did today either.
51:58 This was just, they needed, and this is a fair point.
52:01 You know, Alan, I would, you know, the teams recognized their guys needed help and got
52:09 a lot of it.
52:10 And this is what I mean is like this it's, it is, it's strange for the Patriots to run
52:18 from this aspect of team building the way that they do and just be like, ah, every once
52:24 in a while I'll throw a pick at it and that'll be that.
52:27 And then I'll just grab a bunch of mid guys and we'll make it work at the system, the
52:31 system, the system.
52:32 Every other team is drafting.
52:34 Again, we talked about the Eagles example when the Patriots signed Rieger, you know,
52:38 they drafted Rieger after they kind of whiffed and they could have had Jefferson and they
52:41 realized that wasn't great.
52:43 So the next year they go get Devonta Smith.
52:45 Then the year after that, they trade, you know, and then they trade for A.J. Brown as
52:48 well you know, because they're like, we need to load up here at this.
52:52 This is an important position.
52:54 Let's go get stuff.
52:55 And then they load up on their offense.
52:57 And what do they do?
52:58 They go have an all defensive draft this year and add to a defense that's already good.
53:01 Like you can't ignore certain things and just assume that the rest of the league is going
53:06 in a totally different direction.
53:07 You can't be the one team that doesn't do it.
53:10 You need this stuff.
53:12 They're not luxury items anymore.
53:14 I think Bill's still operating this world with like, I don't need that big Diva receiver.
53:18 I guess that's fine.
53:20 But then you got to go find your guys, go find your Puka Nakua's or whatever your guys
53:24 who like will make our unspectacular, but it will catch, you know, 10 balls a game and
53:29 run stuff through the middle and get your tight ends and run one of the old offenses
53:32 you had with slot guys and tight ends and do your own thing.
53:36 And don't worry about your, you know, outside receivers.
53:38 But as long as you have some people that can, you know, that are matchup problems, they
53:42 just don't have that.
53:44 So I don't know what's going to, you know, again, these aren't Mac excuses.
53:48 It's just, it's got to be done at some point when you see it.
53:50 Like today, you're just like, I don't even know, you know, I don't even know what they're
53:54 supposed to do.
53:55 So yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens.
53:59 New Orleans next week, we're going to wrap Sunday Night Football starting.
54:02 You guys can go watch that.
54:03 But as I said, make sure you watch that Pat's Nation podcast.
54:06 Taylor say something to make people feel a little better.
54:08 And once again, like I said, Pat's Nation podcast coming up at halftime.
54:13 Obviously the Juneau injury and the Christian Gonzalez injuries are big.
54:18 No way around that.
54:19 We'll see how potent the defense can still be considering those losses.
54:23 But I mean, what we saw today, they put a hell of an effort forward.
54:29 And really, I feel like the tape is going to show that there were more opportunities
54:32 than the Patriots capitalized on today.
54:35 And those are kind of your, your silver linings.
54:38 Like also Matt Jones should never play that badly again.
54:42 Like you should never see a performance like that again.
54:45 I really feel like this is a game that from, you know, 10,000 feet isn't going to seem
54:51 quite as bad as it does.
54:52 And we're just in the thick of it right now.
54:55 But I mean, it's true.
54:57 Like they had really tough injuries defensively and offensively.
55:01 They just didn't look good.
55:02 And I don't think they're going to look worse.
55:03 They're not going to look worse.
55:04 Not on offense.
55:05 There's your, there's your positivity.
55:07 They hit rock bottom.
55:09 Now let's see what they, how they bounce back.
55:12 It, the positivity is it can't possibly get worse.
55:16 Thank you guys for hanging out with us.
55:19 We do appreciate it.
55:21 Small side programming note in addition to more Patriots coverage, Celtics media day
55:24 is tomorrow.
55:25 By now, everybody knows massive, massive news on the Celtics front.
55:29 I know a lot of Boston fans are fans of everything.
55:32 And I know lots of you are also Garden Report watchers.
55:34 We were on the air for about an hour or so after the big trade today.
55:39 Media day is tomorrow.
55:41 We will have live press conferences streaming on our Celtics channels all day long.
55:46 So you can check that out.
55:47 Plus some live reports from down there.
55:49 And you know, just a ton, a ton, ton of Celtics coverage.
55:52 If you want to kind of wash some of this off of your palate here.
55:56 So look for us on the Celtics side of things.
55:59 Look for Taylor's breakdown.
56:00 He's going to get into some film and he's going to try to diagnose what actually went
56:04 wrong and maybe it isn't as bad as it looked.
56:06 Maybe it's not all, all bad.
56:09 But I'm sure there's going to be a lot of it.
56:10 And you know, Taylor's going to dig into that.
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