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00:00Teleto!
00:01Welcome to the new episode of Enter Confidential!
00:04Thank you for having us.
00:05Today's theme is...
00:07We're going to get rid of scams.
00:09Scams.
00:10There are so many stories about people using your card without your permission.
00:15I can't even remember which one it was.
00:19It's so effective.
00:20I have a smissing.
00:22It's a small link sent by SMS.
00:26It's a payment method.
00:28When it first became popular,
00:30there was no smissing,
00:32so I stepped on it.
00:33Was it okay?
00:34It was okay.
00:35People have a mechanism to be deceived.
00:40I see.
00:41Including us.
00:42From a psychological and agricultural point of view,
00:45we should look at scams thoroughly.
00:49Scams continue to increase every year.
00:52Especially serious ones are
00:54OREORESAGI, KANPUKINSAGI, and KAKUUSEIKYUSAGI.
00:59These are called special scams that trick people into giving you money.
01:05In 2024, the total damage was about 7.21 billion yen.
01:11It was the worst in the past.
01:17So this time,
01:18we're going to think thoroughly about how to protect ourselves from scams.
01:24It's better to believe than to not believe.
01:26The number one function of the brain is learning.
01:29Stealing is overconfidence.
01:32Business people who fight every day
01:38go beyond the roots and go around the table at one point in common.
01:44They are talking about their true feelings
01:50in a world of three meters in diameter.
01:53What do they see ahead of them?
01:54The present of Japan?
01:56Or...
01:59Encountering other people at ENTAC CONFIDENTIAL.
02:08I have a question for Izawa and Kojima.
02:10How confident are you that you won't get scammed?
02:15How confident are you that you won't get scammed?
02:18I don't think I'm 100% confident.
02:21You don't think you'll get scammed?
02:22You don't think you'll get scammed 100%?
02:24To be honest, I think I'll get scammed.
02:26And you've never been scammed before.
02:28That's right.
02:29What about you, Izawa?
02:30I think I'm 80% confident.
02:32I think I'll get scammed 99% of the time.
02:34I don't think I'll get scammed.
02:37I don't think I'll get scammed.
02:40By the time the recording is over,
02:42the two will have lost their confidence.
02:45It's very important for people to know their true nature
02:49in order to protect themselves from scams.
02:52In this program, we will thoroughly investigate this topic.
02:58We have three experts who deal with scams on a daily basis.
03:06First, we have Kanada Mansaku, a lawyer who specializes in consumer issues
03:09such as investment fraud and information fraud.
03:14He is a lawyer who specializes in consumer issues.
03:16So you're in charge of dozens of fraud cases a year?
03:20Yes.
03:20That's a lot.
03:21There are a lot of cases, and the fees are very high.
03:25It's pretty serious.
03:26Is there a reason for the increase in fraud cases?
03:29It's because of COVID-19.
03:31It's normal to not meet people.
03:33I've never thought about giving money to people I haven't met before.
03:36So I thought it wouldn't be strange to give money.
03:40What was the biggest amount of damage you've dealt with?
03:44It was more than 200 million yen.
03:47Per person?
03:48Per person.
03:48200 million yen per person?
03:50Yes.
03:50What kind of fraud is it?
03:52It's a so-called SNS-type investment fraud.
03:56SNS-type investment fraud is a fraud that leads people to SNS through Internet ads,
04:02and then they trust each other by exchanging messages.
04:06It's a fraud that uses investment funds and fees to get people to give you money.
04:15Recently, it's become a romance fraud where people exchange messages on SNS
04:21and then cheat you of your money without seeing each other even once.
04:27What do you mean by that?
04:29It's like when you meet someone through a dating app,
04:31you get advice on how to invest,
04:33and you get tricked into investing.
04:36So you're saying you should fall in love with that person?
04:38You can fall in love with that person,
04:40or you can simply trust that person
04:42because you've been communicating with that person for a long time.
04:45But then, I get the impression that
04:47only the elderly are the target audience.
04:50That's right.
04:51If it's a romance scam,
04:53it's the 30s to 40s.
04:55If it's an SNS-type investment scam,
04:57it's the 50s to 60s.
04:59There's a big difference in the amount of damage per case.
05:02SNS-type investment scams and romance scams.
05:06Last year, the amount of damage was over 1.2 billion yen.
05:11It's twice as much as the number of special scams,
05:13including the OREORE scam.
05:19Why do people get tricked?
05:22Professor Kimiaki Nishida of Risshou University
05:26analyzes the mechanism from a psychological point of view.
05:32Mr. Nishida is also a leading expert in mind-control research.
05:38He is also involved in criminal activities
05:41with the aim of eradicating the harm of scams and malicious information.
05:46Scams are also part of mind-control, right?
05:49That's right.
05:50People believe in the moment,
05:52pay money, and think there's no mistake.
05:55That's why they're in a state of mind-control.
05:58Why did you try to study scams from a psychological point of view?
06:01There are a lot of ways to deal with scams.
06:05If you look at them one by one,
06:07there aren't that many structurally.
06:10If you think that people are being tricked
06:13by psychological mechanisms,
06:16you can read them.
06:19Why do people get tricked?
06:22It's a good thing for people to believe.
06:25Like the word trust,
06:27financial institutions are built on trust.
06:31In other words, a society where people can trust each other
06:34is richer economically.
06:36That's why people take it for granted.
06:41On the other hand,
06:42Mr. Takuya Ibaraki is doing research
06:45on how to prevent fraud.
06:51He's also involved in a project
06:53to make use of the brain's decision-making system
06:56to prevent fraud.
07:01He's also doing a seminar on fraud
07:03in collaboration with a financial institution.
07:08He developed a fraud prevention program
07:10based on brain science
07:12with a financial institution
07:14in collaboration with a financial institution.
07:18Does meeting a fraud
07:20have anything to do with the brain's system?
07:23If you live in doubt,
07:24your brain won't work.
07:26For example,
07:27a telecom director suddenly offers you
07:29a telecommunications confidentiality.
07:31You think,
07:32is this a fraud?
07:33You call and ask.
07:34Oh, I got water,
07:35but it's poisoned.
07:36What should I do?
07:37I'm worried.
07:39Here's a test from Mr. Ibaraki.
07:42It's about the functioning of the human brain.
07:45You can see white dots moving.
07:49I want you to guess which one is moving.
07:53What do you mean?
07:54Isn't it flying randomly?
07:56I can see it randomly.
07:58But there's a direction.
08:00Which one do you see?
08:02I'm on the right.
08:03Right to left.
08:04So it's the left direction.
08:07The left direction.
08:09It's the opposite.
08:10I see.
08:11Let's watch the video again.
08:15You said you were on the right.
08:16Is it moving to the right?
08:17No, it's not.
08:19Mr. Kojima, how about you?
08:20Left to right.
08:21I see.
08:22There's a reason why I asked twice.
08:25If I break it down,
08:26it's half and half.
08:27Going right and left.
08:29It's half and half.
08:31I'm watching the same video.
08:33Mr. Izawa, if you think it's going to the right,
08:35you can see it's going to the right.
08:37If you think it's to the left,
08:38it's to the left.
08:39I see.
08:40Mr. Izawa's brain activity is going to the right.
08:43He's processing only information in his brain.
08:45Mr. Kojima processes the brain to the left.
08:48That's the only part of his brain that doesn't work.
08:50He's ignoring the inconvenient part.
08:52That's right.
08:53His brain filters it by itself.
08:54At first, he thinks it's not the right way.
08:56He processes only the information in his brain
08:58and doesn't let it go to his consciousness.
09:00This is called a bias.
09:02Is it a bias?
09:03This is also a bias.
09:04We've seen a bias before on the show.
09:06A bias.
09:07A preconceived notion.
09:08Everyone, let's live a life free of bias.
09:10There's nothing you can do from tomorrow.
09:12You can't change your own brain.
09:14That's what it is.
09:17It's hard to change the nature of the brain.
09:20So it's important to know.
09:26It's scary to know, but it's harmful.
09:29Even the three of them say they had a dangerous scene.
09:34I posted a picture of Japanese sake on social media.
09:38A foreign woman asked me,
09:40which Japanese sake is it?
09:42I was happy to hear that.
09:43It's my favorite sake.
09:44I told her in detail that it's this Japanese sake.
09:46She kept asking me about it.
09:48I thought it was strange.
09:50So I stopped contacting her.
09:51I think she's trying to get information from me.
09:54Ibaraki-san doesn't do that.
09:55No, I've been doing it a lot recently.
09:57Recently?
09:58About two months ago,
10:00I got an e-mail from a top university hospital in the U.S.
10:05It was Takuya-san.
10:06He read my paper.
10:07He said it was great.
10:08He wanted me to apply for a job in his journal.
10:10It was a journal of my specialty.
10:12I looked it up.
10:13I'm sure he's in the university hospital.
10:15I thought it was a great honor.
10:17I happily wrote a paper with the members.
10:19I submitted it.
10:20He said thank you.
10:21He said he'd send me the amount right away.
10:23I thought it was strange.
10:25I looked it up.
10:26This journal is called Predator.
10:29It's a fraudulent journal that takes money.
10:32I wrote it in a hurry.
10:34You wrote it in a hurry.
10:36I wrote it in a hurry.
10:38I was about to spend money.
10:40You wrote it in a hurry.
10:41I think the number one function of the brain is learning.
10:45It's called hypersensitivity.
10:46We learn what we didn't know or what we couldn't do until yesterday.
10:49Today, we're going to update it.
10:51Our nervous system has the power to change it.
10:54It's overconfidence.
10:56Arrogance.
10:58He introduced me to interesting research abroad.
11:02It's an experiment to find out how the degree of overconfidence and actual grades have changed.
11:09The more confident students who quit early in their studies, the worse the test results.
11:18I didn't remember it at all.
11:21If you're arrogant and think you've learned it, you can't use your brain's hypersensitivity.
11:26On the contrary, people who don't remember anything will remember it.
11:31If you don't remember it, your brain softens and you'll learn more words and get better grades.
11:37I'm being cornered.
11:40It's the same with fraud.
11:42The more confident you are that you're okay, the more dangerous you are.
11:47From now on, we're going to look at the mechanism of fraud based on real cases.
11:57Mr. Kanada, what kind of story are you going to tell us?
11:59It's a case of SNS fraud.
12:01The victim is a man in his 60s.
12:04He's a pretty good guy.
12:08The victim is a man in his 60s with his family.
12:12The start was surprising.
12:14At first, it was 100,000 yen.
12:16Then it went up to 1 million yen.
12:18It looks like it's making a lot of money on the site.
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12:28This is going to be a close call.
12:31There are a lot of people who get hurt without even dating.
12:34When you run out of money, you realize you've been fooled.
12:37How much did you lose?
12:3818 million yen.
12:40Wow.
12:43A consultation with Mr. Kanada, who deals with fraud cases a lot.
12:50The victim is a man in his 60s with his family.
12:54The start was seeing an ad on Instagram.
13:00There was an investment ad with a picture of a famous economist.
13:04It was a pretty good SNS.
13:06Of course, I believed in the ad and clicked on it.
13:09I was able to get advice from economists directly.
13:14Then I got a group line of people who received the same kind of guidance.
13:19Or I got in touch with a woman who was an assistant.
13:23While we were talking, everyone praised the economist.
13:27They posted a lot of posts like,
13:29I made a lot of money with your advice.
13:31While I was looking at it, I thought it was amazing that it was real.
13:35I said, I want to do it too.
13:37When I said I wanted to do it, he said, I'll tell you a good deal.
13:41He told me about the deal.
13:43I put a lot of money in the account.
13:45At first, it was 100,000 yen.
13:46Then it went up to 1 million yen.
13:48It looks like you're making a lot of money on the site.
13:50So I added more and more money.
13:52When I tried to withdraw the money at the end,
13:54I was told that I would suddenly be fined.
13:57That's when I realized I'd been fooled for the first time.
13:59In this case, I was damaged about 13.7 million yen.
14:03That's a lot.
14:04What happened to him in the end?
14:06I managed to stop the account.
14:08I collected some of the money that was left in the account.
14:10But I don't know who the culprit is.
14:14Mr. Nishida, how about analyzing this psychologically?
14:18This is a psychological law used in the general market.
14:23There are six things that are often used and classified.
14:26Here it is.
14:28The variability that you want to return when you receive a favor.
14:34The consistency of taking the same action as the attitude you once showed.
14:40The social proof that you think the opinions of the majority are correct.
14:45The efficiency of accepting favors.
14:50The ease of obeying authority and authority.
14:55The six rare qualities that you think are worth as much as the limited ones.
15:00In order to live an efficient life,
15:03it is difficult to overcome the principles of psychology that humans have acquired in their collective lives.
15:09It is said that three things are related to the previous example.
15:14There was talk of Instagram and economic critics.
15:18This is a right.
15:20For many Japanese people,
15:22I don't think there are many members who have such a large platform with so many criminals.
15:31Next, it's in the LINE group.
15:34You can show that you are communicating in the group.
15:38That's why you have friends.
15:40There are people who are interested in the same thing,
15:43and the story of making a profit comes out.
15:45I want to believe it.
15:47It's called social proof,
15:49but there is consensus in what you are trying to do.
15:51I think it's okay because everyone is doing it.
15:55Then I work on the next psychology.
15:58In addition to that,
16:00there are many people who start with elementary school,
16:03but they start to make money over and over again.
16:07This is the effect of consistency and commitment.
16:11When people start doing it,
16:13if you believe it,
16:15you can have a habit of doing the same thing in the same scene.
16:19If you don't do that, you'll have to look back and see if what you're doing is wrong.
16:23It's a pain in the ass.
16:25So I think it's okay to believe once.
16:28Then the amount of money will increase and continue to increase.
16:31So there are this many principles and principles.
16:35That's right.
16:36Basically, it's not a crime or anything.
16:38It's a technique used by excellent marketers.
16:40I see.
16:41It's used in marketing.
16:43That's why we experience it in our daily lives.
16:46If you go to a supermarket,
16:48you don't want to be told that there's only one left.
16:52That's right.
16:53That's why it's natural to be influenced.
16:56It's just that you use the principle of
16:59getting the other person to fall for you
17:02without a sense of ethics.
17:04I see.
17:05If you use it well, it's marketing.
17:07If you use it badly, it's fraud.
17:09Mr. Ibaraki, if you analyze it properly,
17:11what do you think of the case you introduced this time?
17:14I'd like to ask Mr. Kanada.
17:16When you first clicked here,
17:19did you think the victim was real?
17:22It's a half-truth.
17:23Half-truth.
17:24That's what Mr. Kojima said earlier.
17:26It was a situation of right or left,
17:29but the moment you saw some evidence on the left,
17:32from the moment you pushed here,
17:35the story of the gate starting to open
17:38and only good things are coming in.
17:40Only good things are coming in.
17:41People often say that it was really half-truth.
17:44But no matter how much it's half-truth,
17:47it's decided whether to take action or not.
17:49That's the big thing.
17:50In other words, if the person you believe in
17:52becomes a priority, you'll meet the victim.
17:54I see.
17:55It's scary.
17:56It's programmed.
17:58It's scary.
18:00The person who actually met the victim
18:02told us about a clever trick.
18:05It's very good.
18:06It's dramatic.
18:08I'm hooked.
18:11I didn't get anything from the card company,
18:14but if I don't hurry, I'll be used.
18:16If you let me stop the card, I'll take it.
18:18No, I can do it myself.
18:23In this program,
18:25we were able to talk to a person
18:28who was victimized by SNS-type investment fraud.
18:32The woman said she was brainwashed.
18:35She was cheated of about 20 million yen.
18:39There was an ad on Facebook
18:42that said,
18:44let's study stock investment together.
18:48When I clicked on that ad,
18:50I was invited to join a LINE group.
18:55In the LINE group,
18:57there was a person named Kenji Araki,
18:59who was referred to as a teacher.
19:01We started talking in individual chat.
19:06I'll tell you how to buy a name tag.
19:09You buy it like this.
19:12When it goes up,
19:14you stop the transaction
19:16and make a profit.
19:18When it goes down,
19:20you make a profit.
19:22Profits were made
19:24by entering a foreign account
19:26that the person created.
19:30On the web,
19:32there was a profit of over 100 million yen.
19:35She said she was relieved.
19:38But...
19:40No matter how long I waited,
19:42I couldn't get the money.
19:44That's when I finally woke up.
19:48Everything was fake.
19:50One of the reasons she believed
19:52was the existence of Sakura,
19:54a member of the LINE group.
19:57I made this much money.
19:59With the money she made,
20:01she was able to have this luxury.
20:03While watching the conversation,
20:05she was brainwashed.
20:08She's really good.
20:10She's like a movie star.
20:12She caught me.
20:15How should we take action?
20:18We asked the police.
20:23Don't be alarmed by your own information.
20:26I think there are many people
20:28who share their personal information.
20:30If you're a criminal,
20:32you can make a fake account
20:34by confirming your partner's personal information.
20:37You can use your SNS profile
20:39to share your information
20:41with your friends.
20:43I think that's one way
20:45to take action.
20:49Using news and topics
20:51as a trigger
20:53is one of the characteristics of fraud.
20:56In Japan,
20:58there is a news about
21:00the new government.
21:02You can use a phrase
21:04that matches the new government.
21:06For example,
21:08a new brother.
21:10If you use news
21:12about the investment boom,
21:14you can use that
21:16as a trigger
21:18to invest.
21:20Even if you think you're fine,
21:22you're actually being deceived.
21:24You can record
21:26what your partner says.
21:28You can record
21:30what your partner says
21:32on your phone.
21:34You can record
21:36what your partner says
21:38on your phone.
21:41Knowing your personality
21:43is the biggest defense
21:45against fraud.
21:49Teletubbies will continue
21:51to dig deeper.
21:55It's important not to be deceived.
22:00You'll be led by what you see.
22:02It's called priming.
22:04It's a technique that fraudsters use.
22:06You can do it right away.
22:08It's a practical method
22:10to protect yourself from fraud.
22:12If you practice it every day,
22:14you'll be able to do it.
22:16You have to put it in the manual.
22:18It's impossible if you don't practice.
22:20Train your metacognition
22:22and face the truth.
22:24It's a method to push down
22:26on your metacognition
22:28and reduce the risk of fraud.
22:31Teletubbies will continue
22:33to broadcast.
22:39This program is
22:41broadcast on Teletubbies
22:43and T-Bar.
22:45Teletubbies is broadcasting
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22:49It's a special edition
22:51of Teletubbies.
22:53Hayashi and Osamu
22:55will solve
22:57various problems
22:59that companies face.
23:01Hayashi Sensei
23:03has faced 4 companies so far.
23:05He will send Black Thunder
23:07to the world.
23:09What will he say?
23:11Black Thunder is
23:13a perfect fixed concept.
23:15Let's make the past achievements
23:17zero.
23:19There's no meaning
23:21in the achievements
23:23that are different from
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23:27He will give advice
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23:31He will analyze
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23:37He will solve
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23:41The nurse calls
23:43at night.
23:45The number of nurses
23:47at night.
23:49If it's a video,
23:51it might be easier to understand.
23:53You can see the reality,
23:55but you have to
23:57keep the privacy of the people
23:59inside.
24:01If you press the nurse call button,
24:03there's no problem, right?
24:05That's right.
24:07Why didn't I think of that?
24:09Hayashi and Osamu's
24:11serious meeting
24:13is on Teletubbies.
24:15There are 30 people who want to hear your story.
24:17I want to fight
24:19between my values
24:21and the authors' values.
24:23I want to know
24:25who will win.
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