" Doors of CM House Are Open for Sanaa Baloch, Jahanzaib Mengal, and Sardar Akhtar Mengal,
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00:00I'd like to include the rest of you as well.
00:02Perhaps you've heard the talks.
00:04There's nothing offensive about it.
00:07It's a very historic analysis.
00:09Today, your CM has spoken.
00:11Who will he speak to?
00:13You must have identified someone.
00:15Who will he speak to? Who are the people?
00:18Malik sir, thank you.
00:20Since Sana made a complaint at the beginning of the program,
00:23and I understand this complaint to some extent,
00:27I'd like to say that instead of talking about emotions,
00:30let's talk about substance.
00:32The things that Sana said are very important.
00:35No one can deny their importance.
00:38But if I start the conversation,
00:40Sana mentioned her resignation in 2007.
00:43The things that Sana said will have a substance.
00:46Those things were seen in the coming days.
00:48Sana is a wisdom-keeping leader.
00:50But such a wisdom-keeping leader
00:52and her political party
00:54boycotted the elections in 2008.
00:57She gave the example of Aceh,
00:59the example of the autonomy there,
01:01that the rights were given there.
01:04They asked for freedom.
01:06But it's just like asking for a gun license
01:08and taking a pistol.
01:10In 2008, the Balochistan National Party
01:12boycotted the elections.
01:14Even after that boycott,
01:16the Balochistan National Party was not on the floor.
01:18But in 2010, you will remember,
01:20I will remember,
01:22if you look at the three major reasons
01:24behind the 18th amendment,
01:26which you can say
01:28that the big political parties,
01:30the Pakistan People's Party
01:32and Pakistan Muslim League Noon,
01:34put their interests in it to a great extent,
01:36put a lot of things in front of it.
01:38But there was a third big factor,
01:40Balochistan, whose rights were discussed.
01:42In 2010, after the 18th amendment
01:44and the 7th NFC award,
01:46look, the case that Sana has always
01:48brought up in the last 10, 12, 15 years,
01:50I will second that
01:52we used to give space to Sana
01:54in the media,
01:56that there is weight in her words,
01:58there is logic in her words.
02:00But after 2010,
02:02the work that came after the 18th amendment
02:04was to be done in this province.
02:06After the 7th NFC award,
02:08your share went to 9.0.
02:10Looking at that,
02:12the work you needed to do in Quetta
02:14was not done by our provincial governments.
02:16After that, Sana's community
02:18itself, in 2018,
02:20remained loyal to the government
02:22for about three and a half years
02:24of Imran Khan's government
02:26and then for one and a half years
02:28of PDM's government.
02:30Shahid, let me intervene.
02:32Listen to me.
02:34I don't want to discuss
02:36what the party did on the Mengal group,
02:38what BNP Mengal did,
02:40who didn't do what.
02:42My question was very simple.
02:44Otherwise, this debate will go on.
02:46I don't want that.
02:48I want a serious debate on Balochistan.
02:50Your Prime Minister said
02:52that we should talk about it.
02:54Do you know
02:56who you want to talk to?
02:58Who do you want to talk to?
03:00It's a very interesting situation.
03:02The Chief Minister
03:04when Sana is present here,
03:06when the provincial government
03:08was established,
03:10after the establishment of the provincial government,
03:12there is only one member of the Balochistan National Party,
03:14and that is Mir Janzib Mengal.
03:16There was a debate
03:18in the Chief Minister's House in Quetta
03:20and it was on the highest forum.
03:22The Chief Minister
03:24invited the Iraqi Assembly
03:26and Mir Janzib Mengal was invited.
03:28He gave confirmation
03:30that he would come to that meeting.
03:32He didn't come to that meeting.
03:34This is the Iraqi Assembly
03:36to engage.
03:38There is nothing out of the box.
03:40Whatever decision is to be made,
03:42I don't know.
03:44This is not my question.
03:46Listen to me.
03:48I have to bring in Mazhar.
03:50My question is
03:52I want to know something else.
03:54In my opinion,
03:56this is a serious credibility issue.
03:58The way people
04:00get elected in Balochistan,
04:02there are no two opinions.
04:04You can debate.
04:06You are a government spokesperson.
04:08I understand your helplessness.
04:10This is a serious issue.
04:12I am asking you.
04:14It has been a while
04:16since we sat down
04:18to discuss this issue.
04:20This is a parliamentary
04:22credibility issue.
04:24These people are not
04:26carrying guns.
04:28These people are not
04:30running after Marang Baloch.
04:32There is a narrative in the market
04:34whether it is right or wrong.
04:36Thousands of people are following it.
04:38You have to talk to
04:40one of the people
04:42who are following this narrative.
04:44The one who did not
04:46carry a gun.
04:48Do you have a partner
04:50of dialogue from the other side?
04:52Have you identified anyone?
04:54Let's talk about
04:56the partner of dialogue.
04:58Let me give you an example.
05:00Maulana Hidayatul Rehman
05:02is on the opposition bench
05:04in the Balochistan Assembly.
05:06He wrote to the Chief Minister
05:08to talk about these points.
05:10The Chief Minister
05:12admitted that he wrote
05:148 to 10 points
05:16which can be discussed.
05:18Sana is a person
05:20who has a lot of influence.
05:22If the Balochistan National Party
05:24or Sana Baloch or Sardar Aftar Mengel
05:26can play any role,
05:28when the doors of Sarfaraz Bugti
05:30are opened for Jamiat-e-Ulema Islam
05:32and Maulana Hidayatul Rehman,
05:34what can you say
05:36to these people?
06:04The mindset of Rawalabad
06:06does not change
06:08when it comes to Balochistan.
06:10At that time,
06:12not even a single leaf
06:14can move in Balochistan.
06:16We have to appease
06:18the leaders of Rawalpindi
06:20and Islamabad
06:22that we can go to this extent
06:24even though it is not so.
06:26When you talked about
06:28where to start negotiations,
06:30there is no discussion
06:32at all.
06:34This is not a matter
06:36of business dealings.
06:38When the issue
06:40with Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti
06:42was going on,
06:44when a big movement
06:46was going on in Balochistan,
06:48it was the conclusion
06:50of the concurrent list
06:52which had 48 subjects.
06:54The first resolution
06:56or constitutional amendment
06:58bill was mine.
07:00The basis of the amendment
07:02was my legislative bill.
07:04Then Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti
07:06was martyred.
07:08Thousands of people
07:10were displaced in Balochistan.
07:12Due to this,
07:14there was some flexibility
07:16in the constitution.
07:18You tell me,
07:20is your media
07:22free in Pakistan?
07:24Is freedom of speech
07:26and freedom of assembly
07:28free in Balochistan?
07:30Please correct me
07:32if I am wrong.
07:34Balochistan should be seen
07:36from the perspective
07:38of development
07:40rather than security.
07:42I will explain this
07:44a little further.
07:46When you ask
07:48who to negotiate with,
07:50you don't need to negotiate.
07:52This drama has been going on
07:54for 20 years.
07:56If you didn't have
07:58a justice system,
08:00you could have
08:02solved this problem.
08:04The confidence building measures
08:06we gave in 2013
08:08and 2008
08:10when I resigned.
08:12Confidence building measures
08:14are to move towards dialogue.
08:16I will give you space
08:18and you will give me space.
08:20Gradually, the crisis
08:22has increased in 30-40 years.
08:24We need a three-year process.
08:26We need credible leadership.
08:28The credibility of this assembly
08:30is zero.
08:32We won't negotiate with a transporter.
08:34Let me get Mazhar.