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00:00They are not mafias, they are stacked with dollars and other foreign currencies in their hideouts.
00:06The deprivation there is not just that Wafaaq has not given money to the province for decades.
00:11The one responsible for the deprivation there is Baloch Sardar himself.
00:14The deprivation there is given by the Baloch Sardars to the Baloch people themselves.
00:18Muneeb, yesterday, the Army Chief also said that a hard state will exist in Pakistan.
00:24Now, there are two definitions of a hard state.
00:26Basically, one definition is that where the institutions are functioning, that is a hard state.
00:32It has evolved to the point where the institutions are functioning,
00:35but the state, which uses its military and economic might to achieve its goals,
00:41that becomes a hard state. America is a classic example.
00:44It has the largest economy, the strongest army, so you count it as a hard state.
00:48In our opinion, North Korea has become a hard state.
00:52I am saying that let's take the issue of 92 billion and leave the rest.
00:57If Wafaaq, the government of Balochistan and the current government can't solve this issue,
01:05then everything will become a joke.
01:07What will the other issues solve?
01:09If the issue of levies could not be solved, then we are talking about non-issues.
01:17Look, Mr. Malik, there are two or three things.
01:21One is that I will say with utmost respect that the intention can be very good.
01:26The Army Chief said yesterday that Pakistan has to become a hard state.
01:30That is absolutely right.
01:31But as it is said in English, easier said than done.
01:34Look, the problem that you, Mr. Shahji and Mr. Mazal have brought up of Rojasthan,
01:40the historical context that Mr. Shahji has told,
01:43these levies have not been made yesterday.
01:46Here, I don't know how many decades have been spent.
01:49Now, I don't want to particularize who must have eaten what money or what must have been done.
01:54But vested interest is present.
01:56Now, if anyone brings a resolution for their protection that they should not be teased,
01:59and now, as you said, they will do it under two police,
02:03in two divisions or in two districts.
02:06The issue is that till date you have kept the issue of Balochistan issue,
02:11issue-oriented,
02:13event-oriented.
02:15To be more precise, it is event-oriented.
02:17Yes, event-oriented.
02:19If there is an issue,
02:21everyone is focused,
02:23everyone is gone, the interior minister is gone,
02:25the focus is set,
02:27there will be thousands of killings, everything is done.
02:29So, it is highlighted.
02:31And frankly, I will say to myself,
02:33we also highlight when, God forbid, a calamity becomes an issue.
02:35Once it is over,
02:37we don't talk about it there.
02:39But today, I will say again,
02:41I am happy if they are saying that
02:43Pakistan wants to become a hard state.
02:45So, this problem comes under root causes.
02:47Now, the misgovernance or corruption
02:49or whatever money has been siphoned off in Balochistan,
02:51when I started my career,
02:53Malik Sahib, I have been to Balochistan,
02:55I have travelled in the field,
02:57and I have been to the worst areas.
02:59Like the calamity-hit areas at that time,
03:01Jafrabad, Nasirabad,
03:03the adjoining districts,
03:05with Sindh as well.
03:07So, the deprivation there,
03:09it is not just that there,
03:11for decades, Wafaaq has not given money to the province.
03:13The one responsible for the deprivation there
03:15is Baloch Sardar himself.
03:17The deprivation there,
03:19Baloch Sardars have given it to the Baloch people themselves.
03:21Now, the problem is that
03:23this issue of ours,
03:25we are not talking about the resources there.
03:27In front of us,
03:29there is a very big mountain
03:31of terrorism at the moment,
03:33and the BLA-type terrorism.
03:35If you remember,
03:37in Feb 2025,
03:39a United Nations report came out,
03:41in which it was said that
03:43in Afghanistan,
03:45now there is a strong collaboration
03:47between BLA and TTP.
03:49And believe me,
03:51if you ask someone,
03:53you will know that
03:55just like there are mafias,
03:57dollars are stacked,
03:59similarly, in their dens,
04:01similar foreign currencies are in their hideouts,
04:03so the question is,
04:05why are we realizing this today?
04:07We should have realized this a long time ago.
04:09BLA is not today's issue.
04:11TTP is also not today's issue.
04:13But the problem is,
04:15I am still afraid,
04:17that we still have enthusiasm,
04:19we have everything,
04:21we are talking about the revival
04:23of the National Action Plan.
04:25I am just afraid that
04:27God forbid,
04:29this episode does not happen again,
04:31and there will be no structural reforms.
04:33Just like there is one issue of levies,
04:351010 more issues are there.
04:37Until you address them,
04:39this issue will never be solved.
04:41And let me tell you,
04:43you are breaking the back of BLA,
04:45which is a very good thing,
04:47but it is a rising threat for Pakistan.
04:49It has a historical factor,
04:51a push factor, a pull factor,
04:53how much we pushed them,
04:55how much the hostile agencies attracted them.
04:57But, if we have to do this today,
04:59then we will have to work
05:01a little ahead of the meeting.
05:03Okay, we will talk about this
05:05and we will talk about the political angles
05:07after this break.