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"Mahrang Baloch Ko Ab Hirasat Mein Len...", Hassan Ayub Raises Important Question Regarding Mahrang
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CH Ghulam Hussain Aur Haider Naqvi Ne Wazir-e-Aala Balochistan Se Ahem Sawalat Kar Diye
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to the program.
00:14Viewers, due to the terrorist attacks that took place in Balochistan the other day,
00:19the atmosphere in the country has remained calm throughout the day.
00:25According to the latest reports, 54 martyrs have been reported so far,
00:32including 14 young men from the Pakistan Armed Forces.
00:37The number of terrorists who have been sent to hell is 21.
00:43These incidents took place in Balochistan yesterday.
00:48These incidents took place in 8 to 10 different parts of the country.
00:54Today, we received another report from the ISPR.
00:58The operation was going on from 20th August in Wadi Atira.
01:0325 terrorists who were associated with Khwajat-e-Khwaraj have been sent to hell.
01:12As a result of the operation, four Pakistani soldiers lost their lives.
01:28Keeping these incidents in mind, we are receiving messages from all over the world.
01:36We have received messages from the United Nations, the European Union, China, Iran and the United States.
01:42These terrorist incidents have been condemned.
01:47We have received messages from all over the world that they are standing with the state of Pakistan in this difficult time.
01:56Yesterday, there was a meeting of the Cabinet.
02:02What did the Prime Minister say at the Cabinet meeting?
02:08It is time to end this terrorism.
02:13The government of Pakistan has said to the Pakistan Army that whatever resources are needed,
02:20we will reduce all other expenses and provide all the resources.
02:25The only purpose of these incidents is to stop the progress of Pakistan and to create a distance between Pakistan and China.
02:37The soldiers of the Pakistan Army have unwavering resolve to end this terrorism.
02:46There is no place for terrorists.
02:49Those who believe in dialogue, those who believe in the green Hilali flag, those with whom the doors of dialogue are always open.
02:59All means will be used against these terrorists.
03:04The Cabinet has also decided that a sum of 20 billion rupees has been allocated for the Operation Azam-e-Istaikam.
03:15The Interior Minister has also said what the state of Pakistan can do and what are our resources.
03:27Those who think that they can scare us with these incidents or give a message, they will soon get a good message.
03:37The provincial government is absolutely awake.
03:39This approach has never come before by the Balochistan government.
03:43The terrorists have attacked in secret.
03:46We were talking about the operation.
03:49There is no need for any operation.
03:51This is a SHO attack.
03:52We don't need to do a lot of science for them.
03:55And they will be arranged.
03:57This is absolutely right to a large extent.
04:00The attempt of the President of Pakistan has always been to find a solution to the problem through dialogue.
04:07There has always been an attempt.
04:09But when one party takes up arms and starts killing innocent Pakistanis,
04:14then the state has no choice but to answer them in their own language.
04:21When the Interior Minister of Balochistan was there, he was also there.
04:27Listen to what he said.
04:29Whether it is a provincial government or a federal government, we have security forces.
04:33We will go against them at any cost and every cost.
04:38Absolutely.
04:39Hassan, there is no doubt that the state of Pakistan is ready at all levels.
04:44Whether it is a federal government or a provincial government,
04:47we have all the institutions of law enforcement.
04:50The attempt has always been that the people who have been misled in Balochistan,
04:59the Pakistanis who have been misled for some reason,
05:05can be talked to in order to get rid of them.
05:08But if someone takes up arms and starts a war,
05:11and starts killing innocent people by taking out identification cards and checking them,
05:18then does the state have any other option?
05:21Apart from that, of course, it is necessary to earn their honor.
05:28Absolutely, Mr. Khawar Guman.
05:30The state has decided that it will use force.
05:33It is too much.
05:34The blood of its Pakistanis, its army and its soldiers has been shed.
05:39Enough is enough.
05:40It will not be tolerated anymore.
05:43Along with this, I would also like to tell you that the state of Pakistan will also have to think
05:47that the political wing of the BLA or BLF will also have to deal with iron hands.
05:54The way Maharaj Baloch took a political fist and marched in Istanbul and now in Gwadar,
06:01the state will have to think that it should also be arrested.
06:05Because it is polluting the minds of the people.
06:08And the state is against it.
06:10It is filling the minds and hearts of the people.
06:13You think that a caravan of 20,000 people took that woman.
06:18Where did she get these resources from?
06:20This is a fundamental question.
06:22This is a question to be asked from the state.
06:24If they are aware that they are in contact with such Pakistan-opposing groups,
06:30then why is the state of Pakistan waiting in silence?
06:34So now the time has come to make a decision.
06:37Those people who have taken up arms, they will also have to take action against them.
06:42So now the time has come to make a decision.
06:45Those people who have taken up arms, they will also have to take action against them.
06:49And those people who are the political wing of those who have taken up arms,
06:54those who are sympathetic to them, those who raise an unjust voice for them,
07:00that those women who attacked themselves the other day,
07:06the liberals of our society were raising the voice that you kept this woman innocent.
07:13Yesterday, the press release of BLA came out that that woman committed suicide.
07:19And she took the lives of so many people.
07:23She died herself and killed people too.
07:25So we will also have to think about people like this.
07:28And the state will have to correct its policy and the direction of the policy.
07:33And I think it has been decided at the level of the federal government and the provincial government
07:41that enough is enough.
07:43Now we don't want to tolerate this matter anymore.
07:45Now it's time for action.
07:47Absolutely right.
07:48Viewers, it is the responsibility of the provincial government
07:50that whoever is against the state, against the laws of Pakistan,
07:56there should be cases and prosecutions against them.
08:00After the trial, they should be given the final verdict.
08:03Mr. Nagri, from yesterday to today, we have seen different incidents.
08:08There has also been an international reaction.
08:11Obviously, in such a large number, in any country,
08:14especially the martyrdom of the Pakistan Army soldiers,
08:17and the news that came from Wadi Atira today,
08:20it is a matter of great concern.
08:22So how do you see this international reaction?
08:27Let's talk about the international reaction later.
08:30First, let's understand this entire war in three parts.
08:34The first part is that the most powerful country like America,
08:38in terms of war, when it came to war in Afghanistan,
08:41why could it not succeed?
08:43Because the people with whom it fought, they all lived on the mountains.
08:46They came down from the mountains, attacked, and climbed back up the mountains.
08:50The same is happening in Balochistan and KP.
08:53Those who are involved in this terrorism,
08:56their place is in the mountains, in the caves of the mountains, above the mountains.
08:59Mr. Nagri, I will stop you for a while.
09:01We have with us the Minister of Balochistan, Mr. Sarfaraz Bukti.
09:05Let's take you to him.
09:07Mr. Bukti, thank you very much for your time.
09:09Mr. Bukti, we heard your press conference yesterday.
09:12Today, the interior minister was with you.
09:14You went there.
09:15So one thing is clear that the state has decided that enough is enough.
09:19We have talked a lot.
09:21We are still ready to talk.
09:23But if no weapon is ready to be used, then what can be done?
09:28Tell us a little about the decisions that have been taken in the coming days
09:32and what is the government going to do in this regard?
09:36First of all, I would like to thank the interior minister for coming here today.
09:41We have revisited our security plan there.
09:45And you are absolutely right that the terrorists do not understand any language of dialogue.
09:53If anyone wants to have a dialogue while living under the constitution,
09:56then the doors of the government and the state are always open for dialogue.
10:00But in this case, because they have chosen the violence themselves.
10:06And I think the government will deal with them directly, God willing.
10:11Mr. Bukti, you know that there is a committee there, the Balochistan Youth Committee.
10:18They held a big protest there.
10:20You had negotiations with them.
10:22After the negotiations, it turns out that those who go there after talking,
10:26they go back again.
10:28So how do you plan to deal with such people, such groups?
10:33Look, three ways are being tried to break Balochistan
10:37and try to weaken Pakistan.
10:40One is through violence,
10:42by picking up a gun and martyring innocent people, innocent citizens.
10:47Second, through social mobilization,
10:50people are being tried to distance society from the government and the state.
10:55Third is social media, which I think is a mess.
10:59And all these things together are weakening Pakistan.
11:03And these are the same people who come on the streets.
11:06Why are they silent since yesterday?
11:08Why don't they say a word against this barbarism, this cruelty?
11:12This means that their intentions are also not right.
11:15And the government, the state has evidence,
11:18circumstantial evidence and solid evidence,
11:21that they are trying to weaken Pakistan in three ways.
11:25So these people who do social mobilization,
11:27their goal is only one thing,
11:29that somehow a river is created between the state and the people.
11:34And the benefit of that river is taken by the BLA,
11:37and they want to take it through violence.
11:40So this is a collective effort from them.
11:43Similarly, from our side too, federal government, provincial government,
11:46a government approach, a wholesome government approach,
11:50with that, God willing, we are making our policy.
11:53And soon you will change, feel a change, God willing.
11:56Okay, Mr. Bukhji, also tell us that you just said that you have enough evidence.
12:02There is evidence, there is evidence,
12:05but when the case goes to the prosecution,
12:08then we feel that a little bit of speculation is used there.
12:12Those people who are obviously involved in it,
12:15against whom there is evidence,
12:17it is not used effectively in that way.
12:19So this time we hope that the Balochistan government,
12:23in your leadership, will look at the case of prosecution in a good way.
12:27And whoever is involved in it, across the board,
12:29whether it is related to any political party, any segment of the society,
12:33the law will come into effect, and whoever is convicted will be punished.
12:37Look, there is a lawfare and a warfare.
12:40In warfare, by the grace of Allah,
12:43with such an organized army and security forces,
12:47I don't see so much threat capacity anywhere,
12:50of these miscreants or terrorists,
12:52that they can, God willing, take Pakistan to the gallows.
12:56In lawfare, yes.
12:58There are gaps there.
13:00For the first time, we have increased the budget of our prosecution department by 150%.
13:05And we are making a strategy,
13:07that even in the field of lawfare,
13:10we accept this challenge,
13:13and God willing, we will address it.
13:15Okay, Mr. Bhukhi, yesterday you were saying that
13:18the terrorists who have been killed or arrested,
13:21the weapon that they have,
13:23which was shown to us and you also told us,
13:26is very sophisticated.
13:28So, what is the nature of it?
13:29What country is it made of?
13:30And from where do you feel that their support system is running in this regard?
13:34Look, the weaponry they have is very sophisticated.
13:40And especially after the US withdrawal,
13:42the night capacity, thermal capacity,
13:46the capacity of night vision telescopes,
13:48they have increased this.
13:50But this is, again, not a big challenge.
13:53Our security forces have the capacity and capability to counter this.
13:58If you see for yourself,
14:00they find a soft target,
14:02for half an hour,
14:04there are 2000-3000 km of roads in Balochistan,
14:07they come to a bridge of 1 inch,
14:09they drop a soft target from there,
14:11and then after killing them,
14:13within half an hour, they run into the mountains again.
14:15Where there was law enforcement,
14:17where there was a fort of night capacity,
14:19in which they have committed suicidal attacks,
14:21and 10 of their people have been killed,
14:23and only 3 of our people,
14:25who were standing at the gate, have been martyred.
14:27So, this is their capacity.
14:29The problem is that you should come out of your confusion.
14:33You mean that this fight is not only of the army and terrorists.
14:37This fight is of politicians,
14:40this fight is of the judiciary, media,
14:42civil society,
14:44intelligence.
14:46You should come out of this confusion.
14:48Why can the state remain out of this confusion?
14:52See, if there is violence in the name of religion,
14:55then we all call it terrorism.
14:57And when in the name of communalism,
14:59which has nothing to do with communalism,
15:01if someone commits violence in this name,
15:03then we give him the title of angry Baloch.
15:06Whereas, this is not a community of terrorists.
15:08That is why I say that they have not martyred the Punjabis,
15:11the Balochs have not martyred them,
15:13the terrorists have martyred the Pakistanis.
15:15You just need to understand this.
15:17You come out of your confusion.
15:19The matter will be fine.
15:20Hassan Youb wants to ask you a question.
15:22Yes, Hassan.
15:23Mr. PM, I want to ask you a question.
15:25Firstly, there is the militant wing, the terrorists.
15:28Now there is the BLA and BLF.
15:30But you tell me,
15:32the Maharan Baloch,
15:34who is the apparent political wing of the BLA,
15:37have you made a wise move to deal with them?
15:40Or will they once again show themselves as women
15:44and act against Pakistan?
15:47And the state of Pakistan will even provide them security?
15:52Is this a joke with Pakistan,
15:54with Balochistan,
15:55with the state of Pakistan?
15:57Apart from agreeing with you 200%,
15:59I have nothing else to say.
16:01Except that I have said this before in my initials,
16:04that these are different people through social mobilization.
16:09There are many people like this
16:11who try to become the legitimate voice of the separatists.
16:14Now which separatist can come and stand on Jinnah Road
16:17and give a speech?
16:19Or which Bashir Zaid can come and sit in front of Islamabad Press Club
16:23and give that version?
16:25Now you see,
16:26the two suicide attacks on us in Gwadar,
16:29both were related to Gwadar.
16:31So what is this?
16:32BYC also wanted to go to Gwadar.
16:34Now the education index has come to Gwadar number one.
16:37So what is this?
16:38There is something.
16:40This is a planned, organized conspiracy of Pakistan.
16:45They want to destroy Pakistan.
16:49Their dream can never be fulfilled.
16:52God willing, Pakistan is in strong hands.
16:55And this kind of rise in terrorism can be seen.
17:00But when the response comes,
17:02God willing, a handful of terrorists will definitely reach their end.
17:08Mr. Bhukhri, before going,
17:10tell us,
17:11the support you need from the federal government,
17:14is there any shortage in terms of financial assistance,
17:18in terms of law enforcement, deployment,
17:21so that if there is such an issue,
17:23we want to hear your voice through the program.
17:26If you want to say something, you can say it.
17:28Absolutely, there is no issue.
17:30Today the federal minister came.
17:32He spent the whole day there.
17:34And a few days ago he went to Turbat when our DC sir was martyred.
17:37So there is no issue with the federal government.
17:39Together with the federal government,
17:41God willing,
17:42obviously the federal government has to support us in our capacity building.
17:45And they are supporting.
17:46So you know that the prime minister is also coming.
17:49Today he sent the interior minister.
17:51So God willing, these things will be taken up with the federal government.
17:55Together and with a whole government approach,
17:58we will address this thing and face this challenge.
18:01Mr. Haider Naqvi is also going to ask you a question.
18:04Yes, Mr. Naqvi.
18:05Peace be upon you, Mr. Sarfaz.
18:06First of all, I am 100% in agreement with what you have said.
18:09And I pray that God will make you and Pakistan successful.
18:12I want to ask one thing.
18:13A big impression is made,
18:15the one you talked about social mobilization or narrative building,
18:17that this is the life of Baloch and Fauj.
18:20To end this impression,
18:23to advance the narrative building on the ground,
18:27what will the government of Balochistan do?
18:29Look, the government of Balochistan,
18:32for the first time,
18:34the provincial government is taking the lead against this subversion.
18:38This subversion cannot be all of a sudden,
18:41it cannot happen in a day.
18:42And the counter subversion,
18:44that too cannot happen in a day.
18:45So for that, very solid measures are being taken.
18:48And God willing,
18:49against this subversion,
18:50against this beating,
18:52against this violence,
18:53the way they are taking three strategies there,
18:56we will take five strategies.
18:58And you will see the provincial government in the lead.
19:01Mr. Shahuddin Ghulam Sain is also with us.
19:03He also wants to talk to you.
19:04Mr. Shahuddin.
19:06Mr. Sarfaz Bukki,
19:08we are proud of you.
19:10You are among those who are involved in Pakistan's fight,
19:14standing on the front foot,
19:17and fighting on the front foot,
19:19and doing it as a Jihad.
19:21May Allah protect Pakistan.
19:23But I want to ask three things.
19:27The entire population of Balochistan,
19:30and there are so many resources,
19:32that if each person is counted in gold,
19:34then it is possible.
19:36So this first thing,
19:38the feeling of deprivation,
19:40what is the stage for that?
19:42Whether it is an enemy,
19:44or a terrorist,
19:46or a destroyer,
19:48or whatever it is,
19:49with the love of the country,
19:51with the presence of the Prime Minister,
19:53they should have been crushed by now.
19:55They are talking about a hundred people.
19:57One of our martyrs,
19:59I think even if a hundred thousand people go to kill him,
20:03it is less.
20:04So this is not acceptable at all.
20:09Yes, Mr. Bukti.
20:10Thirdly,
20:11you should give an ultimatum once,
20:14that in three days,
20:16these people should throw their weapons,
20:18and show loyalty to the country,
20:21otherwise they should be massacred.
20:23This is not acceptable.
20:25Look, Mr. Chaudhary, I agree with you.
20:27But look, this sense of deprivation,
20:29I call it unparalleled development,
20:32and I am repeatedly telling the whole of Pakistan,
20:35to come out of this confusion,
20:36that this is not the reason.
20:38We are not fighting you because there is no road,
20:40no electricity,
20:41no school.
20:42They say that we want to create a nation-state
20:45on the basis of our identity,
20:47and we want to do that through violence.
20:49And if you suppose,
20:52I will give an example,
20:54that this development is unparalleled,
20:56that is the problem of the whole of Pakistan.
20:58The development in Lahore,
20:59is it in Gujranwala?
21:00Is it in Karachi?
21:01Is it in Kashmore?
21:02Is it in Islamabad?
21:03Is it in Barakaon?
21:04Development is not the issue.
21:06Fundamentally, the issue is different.
21:08And number two, yes,
21:10bad governance is definitely a cause.
21:13It definitely complements them.
21:15We are improving that governance.
21:17The jobs that were sold by the people of Balochistan,
21:20the fraud that used to happen,
21:22the corruption that used to happen,
21:23against that,
21:24we are facing it with very hard hands.
21:26We are working very hard against corruption.
21:28And God willing,
21:29you will see those changes very soon.
21:31So we will definitely improve that,
21:33which is the paradigm of development.
21:35But development is not the reason.
21:37I call it unparalleled development,
21:39not underdevelopment.
21:40And this has been the issue of all developing nations
21:43since colonial times.
21:45This is not just the issue of Pakistan,
21:47if you look at it carefully.
21:48So it needs to be improved.
21:50So the federal government should put its share in it.
21:52We will also put it.
21:53We will drive anti-corruption.
21:54We will try to improve things.
21:56But no one can give permission for law and order in the meantime.
21:59Yes, you are saying that this is something that will crush everyone.
22:03You have to understand that
22:05these are grey security forces operating.
22:07And they are operating.
22:09And this is an intelligence-driven war.
22:11There is no doubt that this is a raw-driven war.
22:14When this is a raw-driven war,
22:15then we have to counter it with intelligence.
22:17And by improving intelligence,
22:20God willing,
22:21we will also counter it.
22:22The security paradigm and the development paradigm,
22:25we will run them both in parallel.
22:27And God willing,
22:28we will fix Balochistan.
22:31Minister of Balochistan, Mr. Faraz Bugti was with us.
22:34Thank you very much.
22:35Viewers, let's go to the break now.
22:37We will talk after the break.
22:39There are changes in some laws.
22:41The government has prepared some amendments.
22:46They were on the agenda today.
22:48They could not be presented for any reason.
22:50Now it is being said that
22:51maybe on Friday or next week,
22:53the government will take action on all these changes.
22:58What is the plan?
22:59Our Deputy Bureau Chief, who is following this story,
23:02will be with us.
23:03And we will discuss this with our panelists.
23:10As they say,
23:11you can't hide it,
23:12you can't reveal it.
23:14On one hand, they say that
23:15they have no intention.
23:16There is no change in any law.
23:18There is no change in any law.
23:20When the agenda of the National Assembly session
23:24was updated on the National Assembly website,
23:27a lot of things were read there.
23:31You can see Mr. Noor Alam Khan.
23:34He is from the Jama'at Ulama-e-Islam,
23:37from Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman's party.
23:39Recently, you had a chance to meet
23:42Maulana Asif Ali Dardari.
23:45Is this the result of that meeting
23:47or did Noor Alam Khan himself think
23:50on the day of the private members' day
23:52that there is a big legal and legal crisis in Pakistan
23:56and they should work to solve it.
23:59And they presented their services.
24:02Ladies and gentlemen,
24:03the agenda,
24:04the introduction of bills,
24:06there is Article 184 in it,
24:08which is regarding the Supreme Court
24:11taking a so-called notice.
24:13Obviously, Nazir Hussaini's appeal,
24:14all those matters.
24:16After that, Article 51, 59, 106.
24:20This is the Constitution of the National Assembly.
24:23This is regarding the Constitution House.
24:25This is regarding the women's reserve seat.
24:27These are all the articles.
24:29So, this is the whole matter.
24:30Azhar Farooq, our Deputy Bureau Chief,
24:32is sitting with us.
24:34Let's know from him what is happening.
24:36We gave him statements.
24:38Last night, I was listening to Mr. Tariq,
24:42the Law Minister,
24:44Azhar Tariq.
24:45He was saying,
24:46people fly in the air like this.
24:47He says, the media has no news.
24:49So, they start making news.
24:51Mr. Tariq, can you tell us,
24:52what is Mr. Tariq saying?
24:55We have to retire in October.
24:57And the senior most judges
24:58have to become the Chief Justice.
24:59That is, Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
25:00Chief Justice of Pakistan,
25:01will become the Chief Justice in October.
25:02The Constitution has made it a mechanism
25:07that when the Chief Justice of Pakistan
25:09will retire,
25:10he will be succeeded by the Senior Peony Judge.
25:13Today's situation is that,
25:15if Qazi Faiz Ishaq Sahib,
25:16whatever is his date of superannuation,
25:18when he will retire,
25:20he will become the Senior Peony Judge.
25:24But, you are saying,
25:25this is the situation today.
25:26So, this will be the situation till October, right?
25:29I don't have the knowledge.
25:31I am again the same.
25:33Neither am I from those who stop the news,
25:35nor am I from those who make the news.
25:37Whatever is written in the Constitution,
25:38has to be acted according to it.
25:40If the Constitution says,
25:41that the senior most,
25:42who will be the next in number
25:43in the retirement of the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
25:46will become the Chief Justice,
25:48then, God willing,
25:49it will happen according to what is written in the Constitution.
25:53Yes, Mr. Farooq.
25:55You are following the stories.
25:57First, it is said that,
25:59there is nothing like this.
26:00We are not going to do anything.
26:01Over the weekend,
26:02we heard from Mr. Tariq,
26:04the Information Minister,
26:05Mr. Young Tariq.
26:07He was saying that,
26:08there is nothing like this.
26:09Nothing is going to happen.
26:10This was the same till yesterday.
26:12But, you were giving the news
26:13that something like this is going to happen.
26:14And today, all these things
26:15have come on the agenda.
26:16First of all, tell me,
26:17Noor Alam Khan,
26:19JUIF,
26:20Private Member's Day,
26:22and this bill.
26:23I am not able to understand.
26:24Where do these dots connect?
26:26Mr. Khabar,
26:27what you just told us,
26:29about the Minister of Law,
26:31Mr. Azam Tariq.
26:32Azam Tariq.
26:33He went ahead and said one more thing.
26:35He said that,
26:36there is no intention of the government,
26:37but if a private member
26:39brings a bill like this,
26:42then it becomes his right.
26:44So, you must remember,
26:45that the election act was amended.
26:47That was also a private bill.
26:49That was also a private bill.
26:50And the person was a government,
26:51but the bill was private.
26:52And the government turned it on,
26:53and it was passed.
26:54But, for the sake of understanding,
26:56when the government votes,
26:58then the bill becomes a government bill.
27:00Without the support of the government,
27:02no bill can be passed.
27:04That cannot happen.
27:05Today, this agenda was for today.
27:07Today, there was no quorum,
27:08that is why this bill was presented.
27:10But, this is coming again
27:11in the next agenda.
27:13This is our agenda.
27:14There is another bill in this.
27:16Barista Danyal Chaudhary,
27:18who is a government official,
27:20he also has a bill.
27:21And that bill is about the increase
27:23in the number of judges of the Supreme Court.
27:25And that too...
27:26Is there any change in the act of 1997?
27:29They are amending it.
27:30The amendment bill is 2024.
27:32How many judges are they making?
27:33They are making judges in that.
27:34At the time of Supreme Court Chief Justice,
27:36they are making 23 judges.
27:37Right now, there are 17.
27:38Right now, there are 17.
27:39Two more are coming.
27:40Okay.
27:41Two more are coming.
27:42But, they are making 23 more.
27:44And it has been said in that bill,
27:46because there are many cases pending,
27:48to reduce the burden,
27:50it is very important to increase the number of judges.
27:52You understand why it is being increased.
27:55There are some motives behind it.
27:58In the coming days,
27:59everything will be clear.
28:01The second thing is that
28:02Noor Alam Khan's bill,
28:03that is also a private bill.
28:05But, it is important because
28:07they are going to amend it in Bill 184.3.
28:11And in that,
28:12the decision of Nazarsani,
28:14the appeal against the decision
28:16given by the bench,
28:18Nazarsani will not listen to that bench.
28:20A bigger bench will be formed.
28:23And it is being said that
28:24the government will also support
28:26Noor Alam Khan's bill.
28:28It will adopt it.
28:29And with the help of the government,
28:31because it is amended in the act.
28:32I am saying one clarification.
28:34In the act,
28:35two-thirds majority of both houses are required.
28:37National Assembly and Senate.
28:40Separately.
28:41And in the existing number game,
28:43it is not being fulfilled.
28:46So, how will this happen?
28:48I don't understand.
28:49Without the support of the government,
28:51it is not possible.
28:52Even if the government supports,
28:54you still need 224 in the National Assembly.
28:57If you need 66 in the Senate,
28:59it is not fulfilled.
29:00These are the calculations we have made.
29:02Look, if the JUI supports,
29:04then they have approximately
29:06213 in the National Assembly.
29:088 are of the JUI.
29:10And the government resources,
29:12it is said that
29:13we can manage 3-4 people.
29:15Those who are free,
29:16about 40.
29:17The government has an eye on them.
29:19Even in the Senate,
29:20there are 59 members of the government.
29:23We need 64.
29:24And there are 5 senators of the JUI.
29:27If they come,
29:28then it will be 64.
29:29Anyway, the government
29:30is concentrated in Africa.
29:31Now we have to see
29:32when it comes,
29:33it will come on Tuesday.
29:34The government is trying
29:36not to bring this bill by itself.
29:38Come through a private member
29:40and then the government
29:41adapts it and supports it.
29:42Noor Alam knows that
29:44he has 8 members.
29:46Can Noor Alam bring this bill
29:48without the consent
29:50of his party's president,
29:52Maulana Sahib?
29:54I spoke to Noor Alam today.
29:57He is very satisfied.
29:58He says that there is another bill.
30:00He says that a two-way Shariah judge
30:02cannot be made,
30:03neither of the Supreme Court
30:04nor of the High Court.
30:05Hassan, do you have any news?
30:07Please share it.
30:09And if you want to ask
30:11a question on the news
30:13given by Azhar Sahib,
30:14you can do that too.
30:16Khawar Sahib,
30:17in this,
30:18in my Jama'at,
30:20the Jama'at,
30:21there are resources.
30:22They claim that
30:25Noor Alam Khan
30:27has presented this bill
30:29in the party
30:30without consultation
30:31of the Jama'at.
30:33And it has been included
30:34in the agenda.
30:35He said that
30:36even if he is a private member,
30:38it is a bill.
30:39But despite this,
30:40Noor Alam Khan
30:41has a relationship
30:42with his Jama'at,
30:43with Jama'at-e-Ulma-Islam.
30:44So,
30:45on the guidance of the Jama'at,
30:47he will have to take back
30:49his bills.
30:50So, basically,
30:51this bill,
30:52this bill of the Jama'at-e-Ulma-Islam
30:56will be given to Noor Alam Khan
30:59by the party.
31:00And then,
31:01he will take back
31:02all the bills
31:03of Ayn-e-Tarameen.
31:04Apart from this,
31:05as our Deputy Bureau Chief
31:07is saying,
31:08that he will come
31:09next Tuesday.
31:10That is,
31:11there is time
31:12until Tuesday.
31:13He said,
31:14Fazal Rehman,
31:15who is my informer,
31:16is present in Lahore at the moment.
31:18And tonight,
31:19or tomorrow morning,
31:20he will come back to Islamabad.
31:22And as soon as he comes to Islamabad,
31:24he will definitely
31:25ask for a party meeting.
31:27And Noor Alam Khan
31:28will also be called there.
31:30But your news
31:31is still on the same news
31:33that the current Chief Justice
31:35is not taking an extension.
31:37And this issue of increasing
31:39the number of judges,
31:40Azhar Sahib is saying
31:41that there is a government plan
31:43behind this.
31:44Do you have any news
31:45in this regard?
31:46Look,
31:47there is no news
31:48in this regard.
31:49But as much as
31:50there has been a backlog
31:51in the Supreme Court
31:52of Pakistan,
31:53that is,
31:54if the number of judges
31:55in the High Court
31:56has to be increased,
31:57then it should be increased.
31:58You are absolutely right.
31:59Even in the Supreme Court,
32:00you should increase it.
32:01Because,
32:02look,
32:03there is a tendency.
32:04The political cases
32:05that the courts are hearing,
32:06whether it is the High Court
32:07or the Supreme Court,
32:08what difference does it make
32:09to the common man?
32:10The common man
32:11is suffering.
32:12You will understand.
32:13He has not received
32:14any funding
32:15for the last two or three years.
32:16It is falling behind.
32:17Absolutely right.
32:18Mr. Naqvi,
32:19do you have any news
32:20about this dispute
32:21that has arisen
32:22between the government
32:23and the Chief Justice
32:24of Pakistan
32:25regarding the extension
32:26of the senior penal judge
32:27not being allowed
32:28to become the Chief Justice?
32:29There is news
32:30in this regard.
32:31On the one hand,
32:32the government says
32:33we have nothing to do with it.
32:34Nothing is going to happen.
32:35Then such things
32:36start happening.
32:37If there is any comment
32:38or news,
32:39please.
32:40Look,
32:41Mr. Tarar
32:42said the same thing
32:43that I said
32:44in the show yesterday
32:45that Mansoor Ali Shah
32:46is the senior judge
32:47and he has to become
32:48the Chief Justice
32:49of Pakistan.
32:50Mr. Tarar
32:51I will tell you
32:52on the basis
32:53of the stars
32:54that Mansoor Ali Shah
32:55is the next Chief Justice
32:56of Pakistan.
32:57This is one thing.
32:58And the second thing
32:59is absolutely right
33:00that the number
33:01of judges
33:02of the Supreme Court
33:03and not just
33:04the judges
33:05of the Supreme Court
33:06but also the judges
33:07of the High Court
33:08are increasing.
33:09But the second
33:10very important thing
33:11that I want to say
33:12is that Mr. Khabar,
33:13you are a big fan
33:14of reading newspapers.
33:15You have been reading
33:16newspapers for 20-25 years.
33:17There is a newspaper
33:18in the morning
33:19and a newspaper
33:20in the evening.
33:21Both the government
33:22and the opposition
33:23have become
33:24the newspaper
33:25of the evening
33:26and the Pakistani
33:27people are
33:28behind it.
33:29Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam
33:30Sahib,
33:31Azhar Farooq
33:32has said
33:33a lot
33:34and has also
33:35not said
33:36that the government
33:37wants to achieve
33:38something
33:39somewhere
33:40and it is not
33:41like
33:42that so many
33:43bills come
33:44and so on.
33:45Mr. Rana Salala
33:46has commented
33:47on this
33:48question
33:49and has
33:50commented
33:51on this
33:52question
33:53and has
33:54commented
33:55on this
33:56question
33:57and has
33:58commented
33:59on this
34:00question
34:01and has
34:02commented
34:03on this
34:04question
34:05and has
34:06commented
34:07on this
34:08question
34:09and has
34:10commented
34:11on this
34:12question
34:13and has
34:14commented
34:15on this
34:16question
34:17and has
34:18also
34:23commented
34:24on this
34:25question
34:26and has
34:27commented
34:28on this
34:29question
34:30and has
34:31commented
34:32on this
34:33question
34:34and has
34:35also
34:36said
34:37that
34:38she
34:39has
34:40also
34:41said
34:42that
34:43she
34:44has
34:45a right
34:46Slip in the cup.
34:47I understand, it's quite late now.
34:49It's been two months.
34:51Yes, it's quite late now.
34:53This is what you were talking about.
34:55This is what you were doubting.
34:58Viewers, I will complete what Khawaja was saying.
35:02There are many slips between the cup and the lips.
35:05When a cup reaches your lips,
35:08there can be a slip anywhere in between.
35:11Now, what slip will it be?
35:13Viewers, if you have any questions or information, please do share them as well.
35:18Who are you going to ask questions to?
35:19We have with us our Deputy Bureau Chief.
35:22He is the first person to break the story.
35:23Oh, I see.
35:25His name is Malik.
35:25Yes, Malik.
35:27So, what was the fight that took place today
35:30that ended up in the hands of the old Kauravas?
35:33Viewers, the Kauravas...
35:35They say that since the death of M.P.A.
35:38some people went there.
35:40Because of that, Tranat Tanvir's brothers died.
35:44So, that's why the Kauravas were defeated today.
35:45But today, they were fully prepared
35:47that this bill will be presented today
35:49and then the committees will be referred to.
35:51But this news is absolutely confirmed
35:53that they are coming back on the next Tuesday
35:54and they will go to the committee
35:55and they will be approved further.
35:59Let's go.
36:00Mr. Azhar Farooq, there is a guarantee that this...
36:05Mr. Chaudhary, you know that
36:08these things develop very quickly.
36:10Viewers, let's go to the break.
36:12After the break, we will continue our discussion on this topic.
36:20Viewers, the number of judges will increase or decrease.
36:23What will be the powers of the Supreme Court?
36:26What amendments will be there in 184.3?
36:29All these things started when the Supreme Court decided
36:34that the sessions of the special judges
36:37should be returned to the Pakistani Judiciary.
36:39Because this is their right.
36:40You know that it was a majority decision
36:43which the government considers to be against the law
36:46and against the constitution.
36:47This was the decision of the Supreme Court.
36:49Today, Barrister Gohar Chairman of the Pakistani Judiciary
36:53has gone to the Election Commission.
36:54He has also gone to the Supreme Court
36:56to get it implemented.
36:57That decision has not been implemented yet.
37:01Along with that, he has requested the Election Commission
37:05to put the issue of the 41 people
37:07who are going to be notified
37:09in the court until a detailed judgment is made.
37:13Or until a further development is made by the Supreme Court.
37:16Listen to what he is saying.
37:17On July 12, the Supreme Court has declared
37:20that our 39 candidates
37:22should be declared as return candidates of the Pakistani Judiciary.
37:26The Election Commission has asked for guidance from the Supreme Court.
37:29What are the other instructions?
37:31We have started with the first decision of the Supreme Court.
37:35The Election Commission has adjourned the case until September 18.
37:40We hope that the Supreme Court will clarify its order on the next day.
37:44Along with that, the Pakistani Judiciary has also requested
37:48the Election Commission to issue a notification
37:52to the Election Commission
37:54on the details of the inter-party elections.
37:58The Pakistani Judiciary has filed documents
38:01on the 8th of March
38:03in the Election Commission
38:05after the third inter-party elections.
38:07The Election Commission has not issued a certificate to us yet.
38:11The Supreme Court has said that
38:13if a party has not been elected,
38:15the Election Commission has the right to see the matter.
38:19If an election has been held,
38:21then the Election Commission does not have the right
38:23to refuse to issue a certificate.
38:28Mr. Hassan Ayub,
38:30are you sure that the Pakistani Judiciary
38:34will not get a single seat?
38:37Will the Pakistani Judiciary
38:39continue to be shameful
38:41in the streets, in the bazaars, in the squares?
38:44Yes, of course.
38:46I am firm on the fact that
38:48the Pakistani Judiciary
38:50will not get a single seat.
38:53Whether it is a women's seat
38:55or a minority seat.
38:57I am also firm on the fact that
38:59the Pakistani Judiciary
39:01will not get the status
39:03of a parliamentary party.
39:06The freedom fighters
39:08in the World Health Council...
39:10We are running out of time.
39:12Let me take a quick comment from the rest of the people.
39:14Mr. Anarki, we are running out of time.
39:16What do you think?
39:18Will the decision be made?
39:20Or are you also standing with Hassan Ayub?
39:22No, I want to say one thing.
39:24Lagna is a different matter.
39:26The people who want justice
39:28should be treated as a political party.
39:30And their right to parliament should be fulfilled.
39:32This is what Pakistan wants.
39:34Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Sain.
39:36Let the show go on.
39:38We have to get them out.
39:40Viewers, you have heard
39:42and understood
39:44the opinion of our panelists.
39:46Time will tell
39:48who is right and who is wrong.
39:50That's all for today.
39:52See you tomorrow.