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Fall of Dhaka and APS carnage - Khawar Ghumman's Analysis
Untold Stories Behind The Fall of Dhaka 1971 - Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain Told Everything
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Fall of Dhaka and APS carnage - Khawar Ghumman's Analysis
Untold Stories Behind The Fall of Dhaka 1971 - Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain Told Everything
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to our program on Monday.
00:13This week's first program is with us from Karachi, Mr. Haider Naqvi.
00:17From Lahore, none other than Mr. Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain is in the Islamabad studio.
00:21Hassan Ayyub is with me.
00:23Dear viewers, today is 16th December.
00:26And on 16th December, in the history of Pakistan,
00:31some such unmet signs have been left behind,
00:35that these deep wounds that we have received,
00:38may be healed, but their signs may take decades and centuries to heal.
00:44Now, what happened on 16th December?
00:47On 16th December, the first thing that the Pakistanis went through,
00:53was the silence.
00:55The Pakistan that was built with a view,
00:58the Pakistan that had the view of Allama Iqbal behind it,
01:01the Pakistan for which Qaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah worked day and night,
01:05the Pakistan for which the Muslim League leaders of East Pakistan and present-day Western Pakistan,
01:14who tried their best,
01:16and showed the whole world such an incident,
01:20that the people of the world and historians said that it is impossible.
01:24But Pakistan came into existence.
01:27We do not go into this reality,
01:30or what was the reason behind those numbers,
01:33that the incident of 1901 took place.
01:36There were some external factors as well.
01:39But the internal fights of Pakistan,
01:42the differences between the political parties,
01:46we provided such an environment to our enemies,
01:51so they hit us hard.
01:54After that, on 16th December,
01:57is the second day of the APS.
02:00And the second day of the APS is such a horrific day in Pakistan's politics,
02:06in Pakistan's overall history,
02:09whenever the APS is mentioned,
02:12the tearful mothers,
02:15when a person hears their voice,
02:18when you talk to them,
02:20the eyes become teary,
02:22the heart is full.
02:24But what to do, these incidents took place.
02:27And our unfortunate viewers,
02:29that despite such big incidents,
02:32as a nation, I am talking,
02:34I am not talking about a single political party,
02:37I am not talking about a single sect,
02:40I am not talking about a single stakeholder.
02:43We did not learn a lesson.
02:45When will we learn a lesson?
02:47Because in the world,
02:49there are many such incidents in front of us.
02:52There, in the UN,
02:54some countries learned from their mistakes,
02:57and then they moved forward.
02:59And they moved forward in such a way,
03:01that they did not look back.
03:03You saw the situation in Germany,
03:05their first world war,
03:07their second world war.
03:09Germany is the best country in the world right now.
03:12The incidents that took place in Japan,
03:14are also in front of you.
03:16They were fighting with the whole world,
03:18but they understood,
03:20and then they moved forward.
03:22And there are many more countries.
03:24But how do we solve the problems
03:26that we have right now?
03:28I will put this first question
03:30in front of my panelists.
03:32Mr. Chaudhary,
03:34these realities,
03:36they are there,
03:38they are present in front of us.
03:40Now, all the instigations behind this,
03:42you can say that,
03:44there was an American war,
03:46that war did not come.
03:48The Chinese had to help us,
03:50the Chinese did not come to help us.
03:52Our politicians kept fighting with each other.
03:54Here and there, we kept talking.
03:56Then at that time,
03:58the role of the establishment,
04:00India is our former enemy,
04:02what role did it play?
04:04But it is obvious,
04:06history is there,
04:08that the biggest problem
04:10was our mutual fight,
04:12which our enemies used.
04:14Mr. Chaudhary,
04:16now we have to move forward.
04:18How do we move forward?
04:20Do we have to talk about moving forward
04:22or about the incidents?
04:24Mr. Chaudhary,
04:26you talk about the incident,
04:28how do we move forward?
04:30We have to move forward on the basis of that.
04:32Mr. Khawar Gooman,
04:34what can I tell you,
04:36this 16th December,
04:381971,
04:40it is like
04:42someone is
04:44swinging a dagger.
04:46At around 4.30 pm,
04:48at that time,
04:50there was a television,
04:52the late Tariq Aziz,
04:54who was an actor,
04:56and a very big presenter,
04:58and an anchor.
05:00May Allah forgive him.
05:02That day,
05:04it was unfortunate,
05:06that he gave this news
05:08on television,
05:10that today,
05:12under the agreement
05:14between the local commanders,
05:16we saw that
05:18Hanif Rame, who was a very
05:20intelligent and intelligent person,
05:22because I was young,
05:24I did not have
05:26much comprehension,
05:28but it was like,
05:30we will be thrown away.
05:32People have another misunderstanding.
05:34These 90,000 children,
05:36old women, young men,
05:38and businessmen,
05:40and many people
05:42who were trapped in East Pakistan,
05:44they were there.
05:46Actually, the army
05:48was 34,000,
05:50but why even one?
05:52So, we could not forget that incident.
05:54At that time,
05:56Pakistan became an atomic power,
05:58became a part of missiles,
06:00and then,
06:02what is called,
06:04will it remain or not?
06:06At that time,
06:08in 1985,
06:10when Pakistan became
06:12a nuclear power,
06:14and I know it firsthand,
06:16after that time,
06:18an enemy attacked Pakistan,
06:20and Pakistan did not have the courage
06:22to face it,
06:24nor will it have the courage.
06:26So, one thing is that
06:281971 is a very big shock,
06:30which will not be forgotten till the Day of Judgment.
06:32So, this recent incident,
06:34even if it
06:36does not have
06:38such an impact,
06:40but its severity,
06:42and its emotional,
06:44and on the
06:46human level,
06:48on every level,
06:50will not be forgotten.
06:52Just like the children
06:54who were attacked,
06:56and not only that,
06:58the terrorist attacks in Pakistan,
07:00in Balochistan,
07:02somewhere, in KP,
07:04we have to
07:06control all of them,
07:08and take the country forward.
07:10You are right, but they will be taken forward
07:12if we
07:14take our Pakistanis,
07:16if we do not prefer
07:18Pakistani Muslims for ourselves,
07:20then we cannot stop
07:22the enemy from attacking us.
07:24In AJK,
07:26in Gilgit-Baltistan,
07:28in KP, in Balochistan,
07:30in Sindh, in different areas of Punjab,
07:32wherever
07:34the snake of deprivation is,
07:36or it is being
07:38increased,
07:40and there are attempts to harm
07:42Pakistan in its name,
07:44if we have to crush them,
07:46then there is only one thing,
07:48that Khawar Ghumman, Ghulam Jain,
07:50Haider Naqvi, Hassan Ayub,
07:52and whoever thinks good or bad about us,
07:54all of them, for Pakistan,
07:56for the people of Pakistan,
07:58for the leaders of Pakistan,
08:00sit on one table,
08:02and sit until the problem is solved.
08:04Apart from this,
08:06there is no other way,
08:08and if you
08:10continue to hate me,
08:12the enemy who treats
08:14all of us equally,
08:16like you saw in Yugoslavia,
08:18and
08:20in Herzegovina,
08:22there, the Muslims
08:24whose name was
08:26Bosnia-Herzegovina,
08:28they also did not leave them.
08:30So, what is happening
08:32in Gaza today,
08:34we should be ashamed that
08:3640,000-50,000 of our
08:38innocent children and adults
08:40have been oppressed.
08:42Absolutely right, Mr. Chaudhary,
08:44the biggest thing is that
08:46we have to end these
08:48mutual conflicts,
08:50and it is very important
08:52for the unity of the country
08:54to sit together.
08:56Mr. Haider Naqvi,
08:58I come to you.
09:00Mutual conflicts exist.
09:02If someone says that
09:04there is no serious
09:06political excitement in Pakistan,
09:08what solution would you suggest?
09:10First of all,
09:12what you said in the interview
09:14and what Mr. Chaudhary said,
09:16it is a comprehensive thing.
09:18This is what we should
09:20write on the wall of Pakistan.
09:22On December 16,
09:24when Pakistan was attacked
09:26and one loved one left,
09:28then on December 16,
09:30Pakistanis were attacked
09:32and their loved ones left.
09:34Look, these loved ones
09:36who are giving air to this country,
09:38they can also be attacked.
09:40It is very important for us
09:42to think that this attack
09:44can be on us, on you,
09:46on any Pakistani.
09:48Will we choose our path
09:50after such attacks
09:52that we will walk together?
09:54Or will we continue to give air
09:56to our differences after such attacks?
09:58Remember, a very big war
10:00is knocking on your door.
10:02It is standing at your door
10:04and God forbid that your condition
10:06is worse than that of the world.
10:08Before this time comes,
10:10it is very important to save yourself,
10:12to save your loved ones,
10:14to save Pakistan.
10:16You will have to join.
10:18These political differences,
10:20the political system of Pakistan,
10:22the political parties of the governments
10:24come to power.
10:26You understand this thing.
10:28Whoever says I did not get the government,
10:30it is his turn.
10:32You should not hold each other's neck
10:34for the sake of power and government.
10:36Do not cut each other's necks.
10:38Because if you do not stop this process,
10:40then this same sword will reach your door
10:42in the future.
10:44So it is very important to stop it.
10:46That we join together in the same way
10:48as you said in the intro that
10:50Qaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal saw a dream.
10:52Hassan Ayub.
10:54Sir, if we talk about December 16, 1971,
10:56then this matter had started before that.
10:58When Mukti Bani's movement started,
11:00a conspiracy was set up
11:02and it was obviously backed
11:04by the leaders of India at that time.
11:06And this was expressed
11:08by Narendra Modi
11:10at Dhaka University.
11:12And he very proudly expressed
11:14this there
11:16during the address to the students at the university.
11:18So it was a conspiracy.
11:20Obviously, the conspiracy was successful
11:22and there were some weaknesses
11:24in our mutual trust,
11:26due to which the enemy benefited.
11:28These people were conspiring from within
11:30and they had a relationship with Bangladesh.
11:32But the good thing is that
11:34the people of Bangladesh
11:36realized it.
11:38And now you see
11:40the way the statues of Mujeeb-ur-Rehman
11:42were made,
11:44the way people took them down
11:46and the pictures were put up,
11:48like the pictures of Mujeeb-ur-Rehman
11:50were put up in their public offices.
11:52So we saw that the Bengalis
11:54took them down,
11:56broke the statues and threw them away.
11:58And then Mujeeb-ur-Rehman's
12:00daughter, the Prime Minister,
12:02had to flee from there.
12:04So this is the fall of Dhaka
12:06that is being talked about in Bangladesh.
12:08Secondly,
12:10Sania APS
12:12is almost 10 years old.
12:14And it was a very sad incident.
12:16Our children
12:18were martyred.
12:20And even today,
12:22if you look at the condition of those mothers,
12:24they are very sad.
12:26Because they had such a loss
12:28that is never going to heal.
12:30But we should see
12:32that the National Action Plan
12:34that was made after that,
12:36we all should have acted
12:38on that National Action Plan.
12:40We need to assess ourselves
12:42that as a nation,
12:44after that incident,
12:46did we act on that National Action Plan
12:48or not?
12:50Counter-terrorism
12:52operations are still going on.
12:54The army,
12:56around the clock,
12:58365 days or 24 hours,
13:00a day,
13:02they act on that.
13:04But one thing I want to say
13:06at the end,
13:08as a nation,
13:10as a Pakistani,
13:12the area of Balochistan,
13:14there,
13:16human intelligence used to work a lot.
13:18So we should
13:20counter those people
13:22who spread hatred
13:24like Maharang Baloch.
13:26We need to understand
13:28their reality.
13:30Only then we can make Pakistan
13:32strong and independent.
13:34The National Action Plan
13:36was pointed out by Hassan Ayyub.
13:38As far as India is concerned,
13:40when Pakistan came into existence
13:42in 1947,
13:44the Indian leadership,
13:46including Nehru,
13:48will come back in 2-4 years.
13:50Pakistan cannot sustain
13:52the economic conditions of that time.
13:54Alhamdulillah, Pakistan sustained.
13:56So from that day till today,
13:58if anyone in Pakistan
14:00has a misunderstanding
14:02that when India
14:04will get a chance,
14:06it will not use it,
14:08that misunderstanding should be removed.
14:10I do not take the name of any political leader.
14:12Kalbhoshan,
14:14on Friday,
14:16his network was caught.
14:18So we should keep an eye
14:20on the internal situation
14:22of our country.
14:24When we will be strong from within,
14:26then no matter how strong
14:28the enemy is,
14:30it will not be able to
14:32attack us.
14:34And it will not be able
14:36to achieve its objectives.
14:38Let's move forward.
14:40National Action Plan.
14:42Exactly 10 years ago,
14:44Saneha APS was formed.
14:46At that time,
14:48there was a strong political
14:50struggle in the country.
14:52Darna was present
14:54in front of the parliament
14:56on behalf of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
14:58The other political parties
15:00that are in power today
15:02were also in power at that time
15:04and the fight was going on.
15:06Various investigations are still
15:08going on about who was behind it.
15:10Anyway, Saneha APS is formed.
15:12National Action Plan is formed.
15:14Viewers,
15:16this is a 20-point
15:18National Action Plan.
15:20I will put all the points in front of you
15:22and then we will talk about
15:24how much action has been taken.
15:26Viewers, the first point
15:28was that those who were
15:30sentenced to death in terrorism
15:32will be punished.
15:34Secondly, special trial
15:36courts will be in place
15:38for two years.
15:40The 21st Amendment was passed
15:42for two years.
15:44These trials were also held.
15:46Thirdly,
15:48militant organizations
15:50and armed groups
15:52will not be allowed to work
15:54and all kinds of forces
15:56will be used against them.
15:58NACTA will be strengthened.
16:00Viewers, in today's history,
16:02NACTA can be seen
16:04only in the documents.
16:06NACTA on the ground
16:08is not doing anything.
16:14Fifthly,
16:16hate, extremism, sectarianism
16:18and intolerance
16:20of literature, newspapers
16:22and magazines
16:24will be severely punished.
16:26Sixthly,
16:28financial support
16:30for terrorist organizations
16:32will be stopped.
16:34Tomorrow,
16:36a force will be formed
16:38for terrorism.
16:42Religious oppression
16:44will be stopped.
16:46Tenthly,
16:48the registration
16:50and regulation
16:52of religious schools
16:54will be stopped.
16:56I repeat,
16:58the registration
17:00and regulation
17:02of religious schools
17:04will be stopped.
17:06Eleventhly,
17:08terrorist organizations
17:10will be banned
17:12through print and electronic media.
17:14Immediately after the return
17:16of the IDPs,
17:18the administration
17:20and development reforms
17:22will be stopped.
17:24The network
17:26of terrorists
17:28will be completely destroyed.
17:30Fourteenthly,
17:32the misuse of
17:34internet and social media
17:36will be stopped.
17:38Zero tolerance
17:40for extremism
17:42in Punjab
17:44will be stopped.
17:46The operation
17:48in Karachi
17:50will be stopped.
17:52In Balochistan,
17:54the government
17:56will be fully prepared
17:58for the political
18:00situation.
18:02After that,
18:04there will be
18:06a comprehensive policy
18:08to deal with
18:10sectarian terrorism
18:12and the issue
18:14of Afghan immigrants
18:16which will start
18:18with the registration
18:20of all immigrants
18:22and the reformation
18:24of the military
18:26system.
18:28The decisions
18:30on the policy level
18:32are still as relevant
18:34as they were ten years ago.
18:36If we look back
18:38ten years,
18:40there is no doubt
18:42that those who are given
18:44the responsibility
18:46to protect Pakistan
18:48will do their job.
18:50But our politicians
18:52will only try to
18:54get a chance
18:56to do their job.
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26:54and sit down and resolve the issues.
26:56Sit down and talk.
26:57There is no other way.
26:59Even today, the people who are solving this issue,
27:02there are only three big parties.
27:04They are Mian Nawaz Shaikh, Asif Zardari, and Imran Khan.
27:09These are the three realities.
27:10If they sit down together, this country can move forward.
27:13Will Mian Nawaz Shaikh accept these three realities?
27:15Mian Nawaz Shaikh will be ready to sit down.
27:17By God's grace, all the other people,
27:19from Mian Nawaz Shaikh,
27:21to Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman,
27:26Asif-ul-Zardari, Aftar-e-Mengal,
27:28everyone is ready to sit down.
27:31But they are not.
27:33Listen, only one person has stopped this decision.
27:35Only one person.
27:37I say that there should be a dialogue
27:39between the parties and political parties,
27:42political leadership.
27:44These things can be resolved by sitting down.
27:47For that, we need a comprehensive wisdom of action.
27:50Then we need to change everyone's attitude.
27:52And for that, we need to sit down and work.
27:54In politics, the solution to the problem is always through dialogue.
27:57People's Party can talk to all the parties and institutions.
28:00When Asif-ul-Zardari gets this mandate,
28:03it will be over in five days.
28:06For the construction of Pakistan,
28:08why don't you sit with us?
28:09Sit with us.
28:10End this political polarization.
28:12Sit with us. Why don't you sit with us?
28:15At that time, the people of Pakistan were not sitting together.
28:18They were saying that we don't want to sit with you.
28:21Nowadays, Pakistan is talking about justice.
28:24Prime Minister Imran Khan has created a negotiation committee.
28:28With an open heart.
28:29Whatever we want to negotiate, we will do it.
28:32Imran Khan took the step that you go and talk.
28:35If there is a way out, then take it out.
28:38Whether they are humans or angels,
28:39or whatever, we are ready for negotiations, God willing.
28:41Come on, you are our brother.
28:43There will definitely be political differences.
28:45There should be.
28:47That's enough.
28:48Put a stop to everything.
28:51And move towards betterment.
28:55Any concerned quarter who can deliver.
28:58If you can't deliver, why would I talk to you?
29:00It's common sense.
29:01Look, we are ready to negotiate with everyone.
29:04Anyone who wants to stand with us for the protection of the law,
29:08wants to talk to us,
29:10we will stand with him and talk to him.
29:13The government used to play negotiations on TV talk shows.
29:16But when Imran Khan took a serious decision,
29:19then we saw that the government went backwards.
29:22We have made our cookpoint agenda,
29:24but there has been no response from the government yet.
29:26We have contacted the officials.
29:28But no one has responded.
29:30Mr. Nagbir, what is the news you have?
29:33Why has the government become cold?
29:35In Islamabad, it is very cold.
29:38You know, the temperature goes down at night.
29:40It is very cold.
29:42I don't know where this cold has come from.
29:44I think it has affected our prayers.
29:46Especially those who are sitting in the air of power,
29:49they have also become cold.
29:51They have also sat comfortably.
29:52They say, let the winters pass.
29:54Then the weather will be better.
29:56When there is a little warmth,
29:58then we will talk.
30:00Why isn't the matter moving forward?
30:02Look, the government wants to negotiate.
30:04And it will.
30:06On the other hand, we will have to see the attitude.
30:08Now, you are constantly getting statements.
30:10Mr. Tehreek-e-Ishaq is negotiating.
30:12There is no doubt about it.
30:14His big leaders are doing it.
30:16But now, Mr. Ali Amin's statement is also on the record.
30:18Two or three days ago, he threatened the state again.
30:20If we come now, there will be no peace.
30:22There are other people who are talking like this.
30:24So, this attitude will also have to be removed from within.
30:28If you are serious about negotiations.
30:30I want to give an example.
30:32Of ideological difference or of war difference.
30:34The two biggest powers in the world were Iran and Saudi Arabia.
30:40And then we saw what happened.
30:42Two days ago, Iran and Saudi Arabia became friends.
30:46Both sat together.
30:48So, when we talk about Pakistan or the political parties of Pakistan.
30:52You have your own country.
30:54You talk about moving your own country forward.
30:56So, at least you agree on one thing.
30:58That your common agenda is the development of Pakistan.
31:02If your common agenda is the development of Pakistan.
31:04And you talk about it.
31:06You clarify your thoughts in this way.
31:08Then make the rest of the small things.
31:10Sit together.
31:12Move forward.
31:14Then you say that you do not have any authority.
31:16You become their power.
31:18Then they will show you their authority.
31:20Until you become their power, how will they show you their authority?
31:22You come.
31:24All political parties sit together.
31:26Talk.
31:27Negotiate.
31:28Take Pakistan forward.
31:30You have to sit at the last table of any dispute.
31:32At the last table of any war.
31:34Absolutely right.
31:36Mr. Nagbir, why do you take us away?
31:38Friday is a new day.
31:40Pakistan Muslim League Noon and People's Party.
31:42It is not a matter of distance.
31:44It is not a matter of distance.
31:46It is not a matter of distance.
31:48It is not a matter of distance.
31:50It is not a matter of distance.
31:52It is not a matter of distance.
31:54It is not a matter of distance.
31:56It is not a matter of distance.
31:58It is not a matter of distance.
32:00It is not a matter of distance.
32:02It is not a matter of distance.
32:04It is not a matter of distance.
32:06It is not a matter of distance.
32:08It is not a matter of distance.
32:10It is not a matter of distance.
32:12We want to know whether we are still thieves or not.
32:14We want to know whether we are still thieves or not.
32:16Or have they changed their point of view
32:18that it is not a problem to shake hands with thieves.
32:20The question is
32:22who will actually guarantee for them?
32:24If we say that a negotiation has started
32:26and the committee has been formed
32:28then it is not true.
32:30then it is not true.
32:32I request you
32:34to play the cards
32:36to see what happens.
32:38to see what happens.
32:40The reporter,
32:42Senator Border,
32:44has tweeted today.
32:46I will ask Hassan
32:48if this is true.
32:50As I have tried,
32:52I hope that in the coming days
32:54the meeting of the Prime Minister
32:56and Mr. Bilawal,
32:58the solution of the issue of Mr. Maulana,
33:00the representation of MKM and BAAP
33:02and the democratic issues
33:04will be dealt with democratically
33:06along with the PTI.
33:08All efforts will not go in vain.
33:10The political parties will
33:12demonstrate their responsibility.
33:14Inshallah, I see all this happening very soon.
33:16First of all, Pakistan.
33:18Political issues later.
33:20I am playing my role for this.
33:22I will continue to do so.
33:24What is the news, Hassan?
33:26What you are saying is
33:28an expression of a desire.
33:30Mr. Border?
33:32Not just my desire,
33:34everyone should have a desire.
33:36What can be more ideal?
33:38The issue is
33:40where is the problem?
33:42The government is serious about negotiations.
33:44Negotiations will be done.
33:46The perfume
33:48or the body spray
33:50that Mr. Ghandapur
33:52used again,
33:54he was saying that
33:56Ansu Gas is his body spray.
33:58Now it doesn't matter to him.
34:00Whether he likes it or not,
34:02sometimes these people
34:04Basically, the government is waiting
34:06to cool down once.
34:08When it cools down,
34:10then negotiations will be done.
34:12But the news is that
34:14the government is serious.
34:16It is waiting for seriousness.
34:18You have to create an environment
34:20for negotiations.
34:22Four or five very good statements came.
34:24But those four or five statements
34:26were thrown on the ground by Mr. Ghandapur's statement,
34:28who always uses
34:30a sharp tongue.
34:32You are sitting in a public office.
34:34You are the chief minister of a country.
34:36You are the chief minister of a big province.
34:38So you should also give proof of responsibility.
34:40You gave the news.
34:42He is his own man.
34:44He does not give a statement about his will.
34:46Without the will of the government,
34:48you are saying that he is giving a stern statement.
34:50When problems arise for him within PTI,
34:52you do not remember.
34:54He was his own man.
34:56He was his own chief minister.
34:58When he wanted to come back,
35:00he was not allowed to leave.
35:02His PTI workers were beating him.
35:04His guards had to open fire.
35:08These things are in front of us.
35:10He has to register himself somehow.
35:14I cannot talk 100% about
35:16what is going on between them.
35:18But his statements
35:20about Mr. Ghandapur
35:22make the situation
35:24cold again.
35:26They incite the fire again.
35:28I think they should also give proof of responsibility.
35:30He is the chief minister of a province.
35:32He should talk to them responsibly
35:34and cool down the situation.
35:36He should be a part of the negotiations.
35:38This is the best thing.
35:42Let us hope that
35:44the situation will get better.
35:48Regarding Faisal Wada,
35:50Mr. Nagvi,
35:52I saw you somewhere.
35:54I read your statement.
35:56Regarding the change of Governor Sindh,
35:58I read his statement
36:00in a newspaper today.
36:02If we can show it.
36:04He said,
36:06Mr. Tesori said,
36:08that the college
36:10or university
36:12where Dr. Faisal Wada has studied,
36:14in that same college
36:16or university,
36:18I have done a course on surgeons.
36:20Is this a PhD course?
36:22No, it is a surgeon course.
36:24I am a surgeon.
36:26There is a big difference between a doctor and a surgeon.
36:28What is the news?
36:30Who is changing?
36:32How is it changing?
36:34Who is changing?
36:36Who will do the surgery?
36:40Doctor or surgeon?
36:44When there is a surgery,
36:46there is a need for blood.
36:48You have to collect blood in advance.
36:50Those who give blood,
36:52will not give blood.
36:54There will be no surgery.
36:56There will be no change in the Governor.
36:58You do not know about this?
37:00No, I do not know.
37:02Mr. Faisal Wada said
37:04in one of our airwaves,
37:06that one Governor is changing.
37:08He said,
37:10that Governor KPK is coming.
37:12No, he did not mention the name.
37:14Mr. Tesori said it himself.
37:16But the people of MKO are saying,
37:18Mr. Tesori,
37:20do not pay attention to the Governor.
37:22Mr. Chaudhary,
37:24I will come to you.
37:26There is a hot news from Lahore.
37:28My Tahiyat Qaed,
37:30whose Mufral
37:32and Hassan Ayub
37:34are from the same shop in London.
37:36Tell me,
37:38what is the secret behind their silence?
37:40Some people who are close to them,
37:42are giving the news,
37:44that Respected Nawaz Sharif
37:46is going to make a decision
37:48regarding the politics of his party.
37:50He wants to activate his party.
37:52On the ground, people think
37:54that he needs to be activated.
37:56It has been 8-10 months.
37:58He has also taken over the leadership of the party.
38:00Mr. Chaudhary,
38:02what happened?
38:04Have you forgotten the path of Rai Band?
38:06Are you happy with that?
38:08No, I do not think
38:10that he has any initiative left.
38:12Half of the initiative is with
38:14his daughter.
38:16Whatever he says,
38:18he does the opposite.
38:20He has no doubt
38:22that he is the Tahiyat Qaed
38:24and the party and the government
38:26are running because of him.
38:28Mr. Shahbaz says that
38:30he has played his game
38:32politically
38:34and he has given
38:36himself the power.
38:38Now,
38:40he is not
38:42in the position
38:44to lead the party.
38:46Practically, I am the Prime Minister.
38:48Ms. Mariam
38:50has been
38:52in her own place
38:54but she is doing
38:56whatever she wants.
38:58She does not listen to the Prime Minister
39:00or the previous Prime Minister.
39:02She has made her own group
39:04and she is operating through that.
39:06Most of her behavior
39:08is non-political.
39:10She does not have
39:12any confidence
39:14in the party
39:16or the government.
39:18She does not have any confidence
39:20in the party
39:22or the government.
39:24Let's go to the break.
39:26After the break,
39:28I will ask Hassan
39:30if the PMLN news
39:32is true
39:34or is it just
39:36a rumour.
39:38The PMLN will go
39:40with the people
39:42they always go with.
39:44The people who are
39:46at the top of the hill
39:48and the parties in the government
39:50will go with them.
39:52Let's see what happens
39:54after the break.
39:56One thing
39:58that we have always
40:00agreed on
40:02is that the PMLN
40:04will go with
40:06the people
40:08they always go with.
40:10I think that
40:12tomorrow,
40:14the joint stating
40:16will be decided.
40:18It is not a big deal
40:20regarding the resistance
40:22of Madaris.
40:24Of course,
40:26the PM has to make
40:28his voice heard.
40:30He has to energize
40:32his crew.
40:34He is silent, he is not giving a statement, he is not giving a meeting.
40:37He tweeted today.
40:38Whose?
40:39Mr. Mian Bashir.
40:40Today he tweeted about the death of Mr. Farooq Sehgal.
40:43No, that is not a political statement.
40:47You did it for the workers, right?
40:49He has no workers.
40:51Mr. Farooq Sehgal has passed away.
40:54He is a former Information Secretary.
40:56He is also a journalist.
40:58He is a journalist.