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00:00How are you? Thank you for coming.
00:02No, please.
00:03Thank you for the invitation.
00:04Can you explain to us this last measure that has to do with trade?
00:09Well, it's not strictly only about trade.
00:12It applies to trade, but it's not only about trade.
00:14But it's basically the following.
00:16Does it go to the PYMES?
00:17No, it helps the PYMES.
00:18It helps the companies in Argentina.
00:20But basically the situation is as follows.
00:23You have the collective agreements.
00:25The collective agreements are a place where the representatives of the workers meet with the representatives of the employers
00:31and agree on labor conditions.
00:34That's what the collective agreements are about.
00:37Over the years, these collective agreements began to include a sort of toll.
00:45Other contributions.
00:48You know that the law of collective agreements allows the unions to collect something called a solidarity contribution.
00:57But then the businessmen began to say, well, the companies are going to have to contribute to the chamber,
01:02which is what they are representing in the collective negotiation.
01:06And if you think about it...
01:07Which chamber?
01:08No, no, the one that corresponds to the sector.
01:10OK.
01:10Be careful, not everyone does it.
01:12Not everyone. Some do it.
01:14But if you think about it, this is very crazy in a way.
01:17Because it's almost as if the private sector imposes a tax on someone
01:24using the umbrella of the collective agreements.
01:27Saying, I'm going to charge you for this.
01:29So, for example, in the trade agreement, all Argentine traders
01:35had to make a contribution to an institute that depended on the Chamber of Commerce.
01:41The Argentine Chamber of Commerce?
01:44Yes, the Argentine Chamber of Commerce.
01:46But it's mandatory, Eduardo.
01:49So, in a way, you're imposing...
01:51And that toll, who did they charge it to? The employee?
01:54Of course, they charged it to the trader.
01:56To the trader.
01:57To the trader.
01:58For each employee he had.
01:59It was like a patronage contribution, a mini patronage contribution.
02:04But I think what I want to emphasize here is that this was a...
02:09I don't choose a person to represent me.
02:12And that person is asking me to make a mandatory contribution.
02:16So, what this decree does is say,
02:19collective agreements cannot be used as a tool
02:24to coercively charge a businessman a contribution to the Chamber of Commerce.
02:32I repeat, not everyone does it.
02:35But there are many agreements that do it.
02:39And in 90 days, companies won't be forced to...
02:43And how much are we talking about?
02:45And I'm going to tell you, for example, in the case of commerce,
02:48because who pays for all that?
02:50Who pays for that cost?
02:52Who pays for that toll?
02:54We pay for it, right?
02:57So, when you go to a business...
02:59They put it in the price.
03:01Well, obviously, because it's one more cost.
03:03We talk so much about the Argentine cost.
03:05We are paying for it.
03:07All of us are paying for it.
03:09We are paying 6 billion pesos a month.
03:11Only in commerce.
03:13But in other trade unions and other arrangements,
03:16we will also be paying for it.
03:18So, we are paying back to the merchants,
03:21and therefore to the consumers,
03:246 billion pesos a month,
03:2670 billion pesos a year.
03:30I think it's...
03:32I say it's an anti-tax decree,
03:35because it's a system that used these tools...
03:37And who would be the caste?
03:39The Argentine Chamber of Commerce?
03:41Well, here, of course,
03:43the bosses,
03:45with the trade unions,
03:47used the instrument of collective negotiation
03:50to impose a burden
03:52on the workers and the...
03:54There, Mario Gritman will be very angry.
03:56There, Mario Gritman will be very angry,
03:58who is the president of the caste.
04:00But we, Eduardo, don't get angry.
04:02Don't get angry.
04:04We had 90 days.
04:06You charged...
04:08The agreement said that you could get something
04:10from each merchant.
04:12Well, now you have 90 days
04:14to convince that merchant
04:16that you are going to give him something of value,
04:18for which...
04:20Because if you voluntarily want to contribute,
04:22you contribute.
04:24And I tell you, in most collective agreements,
04:26if there are contributions, they are voluntary.
04:28So, I think that more than getting angry,
04:31you have to get angry and say,
04:33what am I doing now?
04:35What am I offering to the person
04:37or the company that I am representing?
04:39And offer a service
04:41that they are willing to contribute.
04:43And that, I think,
04:45if they do it,
04:47it will generate value for the merchant.
04:49I am reading, precisely,
04:51a statement from the CAC,
04:53that the Argentine Chamber of Commerce says,
04:55it can be stated that the resources
04:57of the INACAP
04:59are not only exciting,
05:01but they are also fundamental
05:03for hundreds of business chambers
05:05throughout Argentina,
05:07that otherwise probably
05:09could not exist.
05:11Great, great.
05:13If it is so much the value they provide,
05:15definitely the companies
05:17will want to continue contributing
05:19to the CAC and to CAM, etc.
05:21And I repeat, it is not only them.
05:23Adimra, for example, in Metalúrgicos,
05:25also has forced obligatory contributions.
05:28And if they are convinced
05:30that what they offer is great,
05:32great,
05:34they will not have any problem.
05:36Because then the merchants
05:38will say, you know what?
05:40I continue to contribute.
05:42Now, I tell you the following,
05:44Eduardo, I have some doubts about it.
05:46Because you know that we in the Ministry,
05:48and hopefully, hopefully they can
05:50offer a service that is good.
05:52No problem with that.
05:54But we have a site, you know,
05:56and well, you can imagine
05:58the number of merchants
06:00who have told us about this issue.
06:02As if to say, look, I am contributing
06:04and I am not receiving.
06:06At least this has to help
06:08a reflection, to say,
06:10if I charge you, I have to give you something in return.
06:12Because now you will not have
06:14the right to demand
06:16from that person who pays you.
06:18And the same happens with SADEIC.
06:20We are in a discussion.
06:22That is an eternal box,
06:25a government of years ago.
06:27Well, then it is incredible, right?
06:29Because this comes from the year 68.
06:31I have made a lot of emphasis.
06:33But many wanted to go through that box
06:35and could not. Many governments.
06:37Well, that's the extraordinary thing about Javier, right?
06:39That when a president arrives
06:41who has no ties,
06:43has no interests,
06:45if you start thinking about the number of things
06:47we did with the Argentine Chamber
06:49of Corruption,
06:51that we eliminated a regime that ...
06:53What did I say?
06:55Corruption.
06:5780 years, okay?
06:59No one had touched it.
07:01When we spoke the other day,
07:03we took out the restriction of livestock on foot.
07:05Forbidden to export.
07:07Some put the gun in the sky.
07:09Since the year 73.
07:11SADEIC since the year 68.
07:13Tell us about SADEIC because it is impressive.
07:15SADEIC is very simple.
07:17When you have, for example,
07:19a singer and you make a song.
07:22When someone reproduces that song,
07:24you have to collect a right.
07:26This is a totally obvious thing.
07:28You own the right of ownership of that song.
07:30That reproduction can be private
07:32or it can be public.
07:34If the performance is private,
07:36you typically pay your right.
07:38For example, I don't know if anyone here
07:40is listening to us, who uses Spotify.
07:42Spotify, in a sense, recognizes
07:44and pays him every time the song
07:46of a singer is played.
07:48Then you have public reproduction.
07:50For example, here in your program
07:52you passed a musical curtain.
07:54Someone has to tell
07:56how many times
07:58his song was played
08:00and according to that, he is charged
08:02and according to that,
08:04the artist is paid.
08:06That is a phenomenon all over the world
08:08and it is an essential part
08:10of the right of ownership
08:12of artistic creation.
08:14In the year 68,
08:16Ongania decided that this
08:19license was going to be given
08:21by the state.
08:23Why did Ongania do that?
08:25Because he wanted to have
08:27control of the culture.
08:29Because you control the box
08:31and then you condition
08:33the artist.
08:35If I make a protest rock song
08:37and the government doesn't like it,
08:39then this company,
08:41whose power to charge
08:43was given by the state,
08:45says, well, I don't know
08:47if you understand what I'm saying.
08:49So, what we have said
08:51in this decree
08:53is that this monopoly is no longer valid.
08:55That is, there is no more monopoly.
08:57That means that if you,
08:59for example,
09:01Sadaik offers a service that is bad,
09:03charges a lot,
09:05another society can appear
09:07of collective management of rights.
09:09It is called collective management of rights
09:11because it is protecting the rights
09:13of many artists.
09:16Well, and you choose.
09:18Look, it seems to me that this society
09:20better protects my rights,
09:22charges me less, I want to use it,
09:24I can use it.
09:26So, what was forbidden,
09:28because there was that monopoly
09:30that Ongania had put,
09:32then today that monopoly is no longer there.
09:34Now we have to see if people
09:36want to look for something else,
09:38if they are happy with Sadaik.
09:40If, as we spoke here,
09:42Sadaik himself says,
09:44Sadaik has 200,000 unclassified songs,
09:46he charges the rights,
09:48but no one pays them.
09:50They tell me that the songs that have
09:52ñ or accent,
09:54Sadaik, the computer system does not take them.
09:56I don't know if this is true or not,
09:58but then the songs,
10:00don't make a song with ñ in the title,
10:02because you won't charge it anymore.
10:04And the other thing we do,
10:06which seems to me to be a very obvious thing,
10:08is that you, as an artist,
10:10if you want,
10:13for all your production
10:15or for part of your production,
10:17then one thing that seems to me
10:19totally natural is that a rock band
10:21that is going to do a show in a place,
10:23can arrange with the producer
10:25what the terms of that contract
10:27are going to be,
10:29and the story ends there.
10:31It's not that that money has to go to Sadaik,
10:33Sadaik charges them a toll
10:35for managing what he had arranged
10:37with the producer, you know?
10:39So, from now on,
10:41I can do it, and I don't need
10:43to have an intermediary
10:45that eats 20, 30, 15% of his income.
10:47And he says,
10:49I do that on my own,
10:51I don't have any problem,
10:53it's a bilateral discussion with the producers,
10:55and what is music in general,
10:57what happens on the radio,
10:59yes, I hire a collective management company,
11:01because I'm not going to look
11:03how many times Edward Feynman
11:05passes my songs, you know?
11:07So, what I'm saying is,
11:10the president of my country
11:12will always do the same,
11:14he will give you more freedom,
11:16he will never tell you
11:18you have to do it this way,
11:20or that way,
11:22he will tell you,
11:24today I give you more options.
11:26So, I tell the artists,
11:28they are very happy with Sadaik,
11:30continue with Sadaik,
11:32no problem, great,
11:34I applaud, no problem,
11:36someone wants to compete with Sadaik,
11:38It's very impressive,
11:40I have a birthday in my house,
11:42and Sadaik comes out of nowhere?
11:44No, no, not anymore,
11:46we solved that months ago,
11:48let's make it clear,
11:50because it's important,
11:52about 4 or 5 months ago,
11:54we changed the regulation
11:56of the law,
11:58the parties of Sadaik,
12:00of the people's house,
12:02so I think people care.
12:04What happened?
12:07The regulation said
12:09that everything outside the house
12:11was a public performance,
12:13because one thing is
12:15when you buy an album,
12:17you play it in your house,
12:19you paid the right to buy the album,
12:21I'm thinking about old times,
12:23you listen to it and that's it.
12:25Now, if you take that album
12:27and take it to the town square
12:29and you make a show
12:31and you charge entrance for 3,000 people,
12:33it's a public performance,
12:35it's not a private use,
12:37it's a public performance.
12:39So what the law said
12:41until Javier's change
12:434 or 5 months ago,
12:45is that everything outside the house
12:47was a public performance.
12:49Why, Eduardo?
12:51Because it was a regulation
12:53of the year 1930,
12:55in the year 1930
12:57we didn't have speakers,
12:59so if in the year 1930
13:01it was outside the house
13:04what we said 4 or 5 months ago
13:06is that we modernize the concept
13:08of public and private.
13:10And what did we say?
13:12Public is when it's for a plurality
13:14of people with open access.
13:16So if you make a party,
13:18it's private,
13:20it's not public access.
13:22So when you hire music
13:24to use it in your house,
13:26you can use it in the party.
13:28Which is obvious,
13:30because if you, Eduardo,
13:32if you make a birthday party
13:34to your daughter,
13:36you play music,
13:38you don't pay,
13:40you don't come there,
13:42because it's private.
13:44So it's obvious
13:46that a private party
13:48is private,
13:50and it doesn't correspond
13:52because you already paid
13:54the rights for a private performance.
13:56So we tell people,
13:58if they make private parties,
14:01parties of 15 or whatever,
14:03it doesn't correspond.
14:05But they used to go.
14:07Yes, yes.
14:09This was changed by Javier
14:11with a decree
14:13that we made with
14:15Mariano Cuño Olivarona
14:17and all his team.
14:19We changed the regulation
14:21of the law of intellectual property.
14:23This was formed,
14:25October and November.
14:27But today the law says
14:29that if you play music
14:31in a bar,
14:33it's public,
14:35because it's open access
14:37and you have to pay
14:39a right of performance there.
14:41Now, perfectly,
14:43from yesterday's decree,
14:45another collective management society
14:47can appear,
14:49which, for example,
14:51represents artists
14:53who make functional music.
14:55And then they go to the bars
14:58and say,
15:00if you want to play this music,
15:02I'm going to charge you so much.
15:04Well, that can happen
15:06from now on.
15:08Willie, dear.
15:10Excuse me, I'm a little lost.
15:12No, no, no, please.
15:14Yes, Minister,
15:16more than a clarification.
15:18In the parity negotiations
15:20there was also another toll
15:22that was the famous solidarity contribution,
15:24that is, workers
15:26who were paid 2%
15:28for the generosity
15:30of having negotiated
15:32the parity in representation
15:34of them.
15:36Is that erased from today?
15:38No, unfortunately not.
15:40No, unfortunately not.
15:42No, wait, wait, wait.
15:44When I say the caste,
15:46then the business caste
15:48and the trade union caste.
15:50The business caste had charged
15:52these tolls, which I tell you
15:55because they are like a tax
15:57that you put on them.
15:59The solidarity contribution
16:01unfortunately is in the law
16:03of collective conventions,
16:05article 9.
16:07We tried
16:09or proposed to eliminate it,
16:11I don't know if you remember,
16:13there by decree 7023.
16:15It was in the labor chapter.
16:17Eduardo, this is that
16:19when you are a worker,
16:21you are not affiliated
16:23with a union,
16:25but they do a discount
16:27of the union quota,
16:29a kind of union quota
16:31called solidarity contribution.
16:33In the decree 70
16:35we proposed
16:37that this could only happen
16:39if there was an explicit consent
16:41of the worker.
16:43Solidarity is mandatory.
16:45Of course, solidarity in quotation marks.
16:47Unfortunately, that remained
16:49in the cautelarte,
16:52but it is something that we have
16:54in mind.
16:56When I travel the world
16:58and I tell that the trade unionism
17:00in Argentina takes 2-3%
17:02of the formal wage of workers,
17:04I feel like
17:06...
17:08Tell me again,
17:10because it's like you can't believe it,
17:12but in Argentina that is in the law
17:14and that is what President Milley
17:16calls the model of the caste.
17:18What is the model of the caste?
17:20It is a legal architecture
17:22to generate a transfer
17:24of resources from all of us,
17:26we as workers,
17:28and we as businessmen,
17:30to these castes.
17:32The business castes
17:34are the trade union castes.
17:36This is what President Milley
17:38came to reveal.
17:40What we did today is a direct example.
17:42What you are asking me,
17:44Willy, has to do with what we are doing
17:46in the DNEU 70?
17:49What you have to do,
17:51there are things that can be done,
17:53try again and we will continue.
17:55Governor Kicillof has just opened
17:57his ordinary period of sessions
17:59in the province of Buenos Aires,
18:01speeches, etc.
18:03In the middle of the speech
18:05he said something like that
18:07the government and economic plan
18:09is unstable and fragile.
18:11I would like you to listen
18:13and I would like your opinion.
18:15Yes, yes, of course.
18:17There are many workers
18:19in the labor market.
18:21Work conditions are becoming precarious
18:23and deteriorating the conditions
18:25of our industry in the short and medium term.
18:27There are many losers
18:29and few winners.
18:31And that results in a greater concentration
18:33of wealth in the hands of few.
18:35More inequality, fewer opportunities
18:37and therefore less freedom
18:39for the majority.
18:41This model is extremely unfair,
18:43unstable and fragile.
18:46In particular, to sustain itself
18:48it requires a permanent flow
18:50of dollars
18:52that allows to sustain
18:54the type of change.
18:56Unfair, unstable and fragile.
18:58Blah, blah, blah.
19:00Ok?
19:02These are phrases made,
19:04they are stereotypes,
19:06they are...
19:08Javier Milley
19:10in the transition
19:12poverty reached
19:14values that we inherited
19:16from the previous government
19:18above 50%.
19:20Poverty at this moment
19:22is at 35%
19:24according to the data
19:26of the University of Italy
19:28that the president mentions.
19:3016, 17 points of decline
19:32in poverty levels.
19:34It occurs because one has
19:36a fiscal correction plan
19:38that has allowed us to charge
19:40less taxes to Argentines,
19:43that's why poverty falls so much
19:45and in a context
19:47of an economy
19:49that in the first year of Javier Milley
19:51grew 5%.
19:53I repeat, in the first year
19:55when one takes the moment
19:57that Javier assumes,
19:59which is December 2023
20:01and this is data, I'm not speculating,
20:03it's the data of the index
20:05and one compares it,
20:07I'm talking about the EMAE,
20:09with the EMAE of December 24,
20:11one year later the economy
20:13expanded 5%.
20:15Let me tell you something,
20:17the government in that period
20:19lowered its spending by 5%.
20:21By lowering the spending it allowed
20:23to charge less taxes,
20:25mainly the inflationary tax.
20:27It means that the private sector
20:29was transferred the spending capacity
20:31for 10 points of GDP,
20:33the 5 that the government stopped spending
20:35and stopped charging taxes
20:37and the 5 that the economy grew.
20:40I would say that the governor
20:42who was governing
20:44was a central part
20:46of Kirchnerism
20:48that legated to us
20:50since 2011
20:52an economy without growth
20:54with growing inflation
20:56and growing poverty.
20:58Well, I take what he says
21:00as something that he has to say
21:02politically, that he has absolutely
21:04no assiduity, I'm sure he knows
21:06that he has no assiduity,
21:08Why this growth
21:10and this transfer of money
21:12to the people,
21:14perhaps in a great majority
21:16it is not felt in the square meter
21:18because the rents grew,
21:20the services grew,
21:22the water, the light, the gas,
21:24the expenses,
21:26that has grown in an impressive way
21:28and people feel it in their pockets.
21:30Well, I would like to
21:32conceptualize that, the rents
21:34have not grown,
21:37when Javier assumed
21:39in real value,
21:41that is, compared to inflation,
21:43they have dropped about 30%.
21:45I'm talking about people's pockets.
21:47But the rent is a very important expense.
21:49And added to everything I say
21:51it's a ball.
21:53But also, if you look at the evolution
21:55of the real salary, not to mention
21:57the salary in dollars, of course,
21:59because really Kirchnerism
22:01had led us to salaries in dollars
22:03that were the lowest,
22:05there is nothing to celebrate
22:07to have the salaries of countries
22:09like Belize or Haiti
22:11or very poor countries.
22:13So, during the recovery
22:15of the economy, which begins
22:17with force from the end
22:19of the second quarter of this year,
22:21the real salaries, you know,
22:23they have been recovering sustainably.
22:25So I think that in some way,
22:27of course, one always wants
22:29to be better, let's say,
22:31Kirchnerism made us fall a lot,
22:34but I don't want to pretend
22:36that Javier, in a year,
22:38transforms this into Denmark.
22:40One begins a process of recovery,
22:42but, I repeat, of a very,
22:44very significant fall
22:46during Kirchnerism.
22:48And I think that what people
22:50feel the most is that hope
22:52that something has changed here,
22:54that it seems to me that we are
22:56going to a situation, clearly,
22:58of macro stability, because
23:00Javier Millet takes the bull
23:02by the horns.
23:04I mean, everyone made a lot
23:06of stabilization plans, yes,
23:08but no one said, I don't want
23:10to have a fiscal deficit,
23:12I'm going to correct the deficit.
23:14And Javier Millet corrected it
23:16in a month, he held it, he
23:18maintains it, and I think that
23:20the fiscal surplus, which is
23:22what gives sustainability
23:24to the program, and is what
23:26makes it stable, and what
23:28makes it very vulnerable,
23:31first reason, because recovery
23:33increases resources.
23:35But second, because the president
23:37has told us, you cannot stop
23:39in the task of making spending
23:41more efficient.
23:43So, if you see the announcements
23:45that we have had today,
23:47Manuel Adorni announced, let's say,
23:49a very important restructuring
23:51in human capital, which we can
23:53talk about, but it ends up
23:55being about 2,000 people.
23:57There, you took the chainsaw
23:59and you cut them all.
24:01What happens is that one finds
24:03a state that had become
24:05a basic unit.
24:07That is, the Ministry of Human
24:09Capital, which was of social
24:11development at the time of
24:13Guillermo, was duplicated.
24:15They duplicated it, Eduardo.
24:17That is, you had Victoria Tolosa Paz
24:19and you had Emilio Persico.
24:21And they had made two ministries.
24:23So, this man had his channel
24:25of doing the same thing
24:27that the ministry was doing
24:29in an orderly way or, let's say,
24:31more officially.
24:33So, those duplicated structures,
24:35which the only thing they did
24:37was to sustain the client,
24:39the political esmo, which must
24:41be unified in a mechanism where
24:43money reaches people directly.
24:45Of course, and if it reaches people
24:47directly, you don't need a whole
24:49structure of pundits or pundits
24:51who are distributing things
24:53because you are giving money
24:55directly to people.
24:57So, this reduction is basically
24:59a way of focusing the
25:01policies of human capital in
25:03the transference of money.
25:05Two final things.
25:07Manes.
25:09I would like your opinion.
25:11I love it.
25:13I love noisy democracy.
25:15I love it.
25:17I love that we discuss.
25:19The president is very debater.
25:21He is a person with...
25:23When I come from the academy,
25:25we, as academics,
25:27go to a seminar and try to
25:29say, well, let's see this.
25:31I think this can be improved, etc.
25:33So, I take the discussion
25:35very well.
25:37Now, well, if Manes
25:39was there as well,
25:41expressing the way he wanted
25:43to express, and also,
25:45I think it's great that he came
25:47because there are others who didn't
25:49put their faces, right?
25:51I don't want the president to tell them,
25:53hey, I took 10 million Argentinians
25:55out of poverty, and you
25:57filled your mouth, as the governor
25:59did, talking about this,
26:01and you took poverty to 53%.
26:03They didn't want to bank
26:05that one.
26:07Or that you took inflation to,
26:09as the president said, 50% majority
26:11of 17,000 annuals, and today that
26:13majority inflation is 1.5 monthly,
26:15correct? So, I say, he went.
26:17Okay, well, he did his show,
26:19he's a congressman, it's difficult
26:21as a congressman, I've been there,
26:23Eduardo, as a congressman, it's difficult
26:25to have visibility, it's difficult
26:27to have an impact.
26:29So, he invented the two pineapples,
26:31the FIP, I don't know, I don't know.
26:33I say, he went, he did this show,
26:35well, they answered him,
26:37the president answered him,
26:39in his own speech, because Javier
26:41likes the debate, he likes to discuss,
26:43he's fast, that's it.
26:45Decree of El Hijo and García Mancilla,
26:47any opinion on that?
26:49Yes, yes, I have an opinion.
26:51My opinion is that
26:53he would lower 10 changes
26:55to the issue. Why?
26:57Because,
26:59because the congress,
27:01there's a procedure
27:03for the definition
27:05of candidates, which is that
27:07the president proposes
27:09to the Senate, and the Senate approves.
27:13Today, today is
27:15a bad day. Today,
27:17it could have been put together.
27:19If it's a topic, these candidates,
27:21today, the Senate could have
27:23put them together and voted.
27:25And I can do it tomorrow,
27:27and I can do it next week.
27:29So, I say, the institutional mechanism
27:31by which the Senate will
27:33define the candidates is totally
27:35in force, it's totally normal.
27:37So, I say,
27:41I don't know what the drama is.
27:43In any case, what the Congress has to do
27:45is, if this is a dramatic,
27:47important, institutional issue,
27:49that the Senate pronounces it.
27:51No one is preventing it.
27:53That's the first comment I want to make.
27:55Now, what does President Milley say?
27:57President Milley says,
27:59I put two candidates.
28:01Can you tell me yes? Can you tell me no?
28:03But you have to tell me something.
28:05So, I banked all year,
28:07all year, waiting for you to tell me.
28:09I'm not telling you to tell me yes,
28:11I'm telling you to tell me no.
28:13Approve it or disapprove it.
28:15Approve it or disapprove it.
28:17Well, the sessions are over.
28:19The President, you know that the Constitution,
28:21when this kind of situation occurs,
28:23the Constitution allows that in the recess
28:25the President defines by decree
28:27until the end of the next legislative year.
28:29The President could have done it at that time,
28:31at the beginning of December.
28:33He said, no.
28:35I'm going to send extraordinary people.
28:37Tell me yes or no.
28:39They don't want to say yes or no.
28:41So, what problem does the President have?
28:43You know that Maqueda retired from the Court.
28:45So, the Court has three members.
28:47The faults of the Court,
28:49which is a Court of five members,
28:51have to be unanimous.
28:53So, it means that you need three votes.
28:55So, you have three members of the Court,
28:57and needing three votes,
28:59you are forcing the Court
29:01to operate unanimously.
29:03There is an escape,
29:05you can bring judges,
29:07but you don't have
29:09any doctrinal consistency,
29:11because it is not appropriate.
29:15So, Maqueda's resignation
29:17somehow precipitates
29:19a complicated operation
29:21of the Court,
29:23because you are demanding
29:25from the Court
29:27an unanimity that the Constitution requires.
29:29So, the President said,
29:31let's hope it doesn't happen,
29:33because the members are quite young,
29:35presumably something will happen
29:37to a member of the Court.
29:39So, the President said,
29:41I will commission,
29:43until November this year,
29:45these two people.
29:47In the interim, they will decide
29:49whether they will decide yes or no.
29:51And that's the story.
29:53I think it doesn't have
29:55much more to it than that.
29:57Minister, thank you for coming.