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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Malik.
00:16Today we are going to talk about the judges, because today we are going to talk about the judges.
00:20First of all, Mohsin Akhlaq Kiani, who is a High Court Judge, who was previously a Senate Judge,
00:24but when Sir Faiyaz Dogar was brought from Lahore and made a Senate Judge,
00:29now he is at number 2, but he is at number 3, because Amir Farooq is still there.
00:34He gave a slap.
00:36While listening to a case, he said that the state institutions are no longer there.
00:41The state is in the air.
00:43Courts, Parliament, Executives, everything has collapsed.
00:47Living in Pakistan is a constant battle.
00:49There are 24-25 crore people.
00:51Those who fight more, those who survive less.
00:54This is what he said.
00:56We also saw a reaction to this.
00:58The Speaker of the National Assembly said, who are the judges,
01:00that they should talk to the Judiciary and Parliament?
01:03And he told the Law Minister to send him a message,
01:06that he can't do this.
01:08And then there were more serious talks.
01:10On the other side, Chief Justice of Pakistan,
01:13Qahiya Fareedi, when the IMF delegation met,
01:18the journalists who cover the Supreme Court,
01:23he called them and briefed them.
01:25What happened, what didn't.
01:27But when he was talking about everything,
01:29he said 2-4 very interesting things.
01:31First, he said that if the judges had not boycotted
01:35the Judicial Commission meeting,
01:37because if you remember, Masood Ali Shah and Munir Akhtar
01:40had left.
01:42The results would have been different.
01:44Instead of the judge who came from Peshawar,
01:46a more senior judge would have come.
01:48Anyway, these are the things.
01:50Then he said, we are bringing Justice Aurangzeb,
01:54Acting Justice of the Supreme Court.
01:56Because the judges here, my brother judges,
01:59who worked on taxation,
02:01because they are not listening to the cases,
02:03so they have to bring him.
02:05The critics say that Justice Gulshan Aurangzeb
02:07is being brought for other reasons
02:09because his decisions were being looked at.
02:11Many people in the government thought
02:13that maybe his decisions were favoring
02:15a particular party more.
02:17But anyway, what are the implications,
02:19we cannot say anything about this.
02:21But these are all things.
02:23Then he said, let the system work.
02:25I told the judges, the people who wrote the letters,
02:27let the system work.
02:29Is this system worth letting it work
02:31or are you really talking to the judges like this?
02:34But he said another very interesting thing.
02:37He said, yesterday in the seniority list,
02:39I objected to a particular name
02:41and the Attorney General agreed with me.
02:43Trust the system.
02:45Yesterday the system said,
02:47Tabadla was mixed wrongly with seniority.
02:49There is a clear reference that
02:51Justice Dogar,
02:53who is being fought over in Islamabad High Court,
02:56that he was brought from Punjab on the 15th number,
02:58or that when Amir Farooq Sahib
03:00will go to the Supreme Court,
03:02he will be the judge in this scene,
03:04and the next Chief Justice
03:06will most likely be of Islamabad High Court.
03:08If the government wants to elevate him,
03:10he can go to the Supreme Court.
03:12But along with that, the Chief Justice said,
03:14but because I have given my mind,
03:16if this seniority matter comes up,
03:18then I will not be a part of that bench.
03:22There is a mixed bag going on.
03:24Because the critics say that
03:26if the Chief Justice
03:28had simply refused
03:30on the transfer of these judges,
03:32then this whole matter
03:34of Islamabad would not have happened.
03:36If he had said that
03:38we will take the judges of the Supreme Court
03:40only when the 26th Amendment
03:42is decided, then this would not have happened.
03:44So is this Chief Justice
03:46walking the talk or not?
03:48This is the question you are asking.
03:50There are many other interesting things
03:52about the PTI itself.
03:54The PTI Chairman, Imran Khan,
03:56said that he will write the third letter.
03:58There was no response to the first two letters.
04:00So why is he writing the third letter?
04:02We will talk about this as well.
04:04And along with that,
04:06there was a lot of protest today.
04:08There was a lot of noise in the National Assembly.
04:10But the MNAs have added
04:12hefty pay raises to the salaries.
04:14The Senators have already done this.
04:16And they made a lot of noise about the PTI.
04:18The question arises,
04:20is it just noise?
04:22Or will the PTI people
04:24refuse to take these new salaries?
04:26We will talk about this as well.
04:28We will talk to Salman Rehman Raja.
04:30He is the Secretary General of the PTI.
04:32He is a serial lawyer.
04:34And we will talk to Rana Salaullah.
04:36Again, he doesn't need any introduction.
04:38Salman Sahib, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:40Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:42First, two political questions.
04:44Then we will come to the legal questions.
04:46First, there was so much noise
04:48about the salaries.
04:50The salary of Rs. 1.25 lakh
04:52from Rs. 1.80 lakh
04:54has increased to Rs. 5.19 lakh.
04:56This has already happened
04:58in the job MPAs.
05:00There was so much noise.
05:02Will the people of your party
05:04take these new salaries
05:06or refuse to take them?
05:08The Speaker has also said
05:10that first they make noise
05:12and then they come.
05:14Whoever doesn't mind,
05:16they can write that
05:18they don't want to take salaries.
05:20Will the MNAs of the PTI
05:22take these new salaries
05:24or refuse to take them?
05:26We have adopted this position.
05:28We have spoken to Imran Khan.
05:30We will not accept this at all.
05:32The nation is surrounded
05:34by problems.
05:36Unemployment is increasing.
05:38Growth is 0%.
05:40In this fake situation,
05:42it doesn't matter
05:44that those people
05:46who belong to the upper class
05:48who are elected to the assembly
05:50and are not poor,
05:52they should not take salaries
05:54in this environment.
05:56If their salaries come
05:58in their accounts,
06:00we as a party will definitely
06:02decide what to do
06:04with this extra amount.
06:06The Speaker has said
06:08that whoever writes and gives
06:10will not get a new salary.
06:12We will decide
06:14whether to write
06:16or collect the salary
06:18and spend it on some
06:20other issue.
06:22This was not a surprise bill.
06:24We knew that there would be
06:26a vote on this.
06:28You had decided that
06:30there would be a vote on this.
06:32The rest of the decisions
06:34had already been made.
06:36Why didn't you decide
06:38whether to take the salary
06:40or not?
06:42I don't see why we shouldn't
06:44take the salary.
06:46If they want to give it,
06:48they should.
06:50The decision will be
06:52that we will spend
06:54this extra amount
06:56on some other issue.
06:58We will decide
07:00what to do with this issue.
07:02Mr. Imran Khan has written
07:04two letters.
07:06The first and the second
07:08were damning letters.
07:10He wrote the letter
07:12but put all the blame on him.
07:14He said that the people of Khilij
07:16will not get their salary.
07:18He was right.
07:20They will not get their salary.
07:22Why write a third letter
07:24when two letters
07:26are not enough?
07:28This letter is
07:30addressed to the people.
07:32The people have read it.
07:34They have reached
07:36their destination.
07:38They have understood
07:40what this letter means.
07:42This letter is addressing
07:44the entire Pakistani people
07:46and the Pakistani army.
07:48They are saying that
07:50you are our army
07:52and there should be
07:54no conflict between us.
07:56Mr. Imran Khan is taking ownership
07:58on behalf of the people.
08:00The entire people are saying
08:02that they don't want
08:04any conflict between
08:06their army and their people.
08:08This message has reached
08:10everyone.
08:12You have not received
08:14any reply.
08:16Many people think
08:18that you are desperate.
08:20No, no, no.
08:22These people are stupid.
08:24We don't want any reply.
08:26We are just saying
08:28that we are standing
08:30against the Pakistani people.
08:32If there is a conflict
08:34between the Pakistani people
08:36and the Pakistani army,
08:38we want to end it.
08:40The way you are saying
08:42that the colonel
08:44is putting the court
08:46and the order
08:48on his shoes
08:50and is causing
08:52destruction.
08:54Who is being told
08:56that? The people
08:58or the army?
09:00The people are being told
09:02that this is
09:04the reality.
09:06The people and the people
09:08are being told
09:10that this is not right.
09:12Leave the law.
09:14Take the path
09:16that is based on decency
09:18and the law.
09:20We don't want any answer
09:22for this.
09:24This message was intended
09:26to reach the people.
09:28We hope that
09:30the institutions
09:32will think about
09:34what we are doing.
09:36We hope that
09:38the institutions
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09:44We hope that
09:46the institutions
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15:40There was no other purpose. If you wanted to bring a judge from there and make him the junior most in Islamabad, then why did you bring him?
15:47He would not have come if he was told that his seniority would be here.
15:52So it is absolutely clear that he was assured that he would come to Islamabad High Court and he would be the senior peon,
15:59that is, he would be on the second number in terms of seniority and when Amir Farooq Sahib would go to the Supreme Court, he would become the senior most.
16:06So this is a very clear thought.
16:09If I ask you in English, do you think that Chief Justice of Pakistan Yahya Afridi Sahib is walking the talk or he is not?
16:22Look, I will not say anything about this. Whatever he did in relation to this exchange is also in front of us.
16:29I think this should not have happened.
16:32And now if this case goes to the court, the representation of the judges of Islamabad High Court,
16:38you said that the representation flew in the air.
16:41Now they will have to file a case and when they file a case, it will probably go to the Constitutional Bench of the Supreme Court.
16:49And there it will be decided that the judges who have come through this exchange, are they becoming the junior most or are they judges?
16:55Do you expect that there will be a decision on merit?
17:00Look, I will not say anything like this that there will be no decision on merit. We will see.
17:06But look, the point that the judges of Islamabad High Court have raised is that a judge who takes an oath,
17:14he takes it in relation to a specific high court.
17:16That is right. We have already said that.
17:18We are running out of time. I want to clarify a few things in 10 seconds.
17:23You said that we have to decide what to do with that money.
17:27Can you categorically say that the members of the PTI assembly and senators will take new salaries,
17:34but the amount that has increased, they will not bring it into personal use.
17:40This party will decide where and how it will be used.
17:43I think this will be decided after consultation with Mr. Imran Khan.
17:50And I think that our decision will be that this money will be used for some beneficial work.
17:57Subhanakum Raja, thank you very much for your time.
17:59Viewers, let's take a break. After the break, we will take a few questions from the government
18:03that how they are looking at the latest comments of these judges.
18:06Stay with us.
18:13Welcome back to the show. We will talk to Mr. Anand Salaullah in this regard.
18:17Assalam-o-Alaikum, Mr. Rana.
18:20Wa-alaikum-salaam.
18:22Mr. Rana, there is only one thing that is being said about the judges.
18:25The opposition is saying that you have put on a wholesale job of appointing judges.
18:32You are packing the Supreme Court as you please.
18:35You are bringing in a junior judge from Lahore as you please and making him a senior judge.
18:39And there is a debate going on everywhere.
18:41And today, Mr. Mohsen Faiqani gave a very hard statement, which the opposition used to talk about
18:48or the critics of your government used to talk about.
18:51Today, what does the sitting judge of the High Court say?
18:54He says that living in Pakistan is a constant fight.
18:57There are 25-24 crore people.
18:59There are more people who fight and fewer who survive.
19:02The lawyer told him that there is a judicial pillar of state.
19:06He said that the pillar of state is in the air.
19:09Still, he is not disappointed.
19:11A 45-year-old man, including me, is a failure.
19:14The youth have to do something for the country.
19:16But listen, the pillar of state is no longer there.
19:19The state is in the air.
19:21The judiciary, parliament, executive, everything has collapsed.
19:25I am not disappointed.
19:27If you want to live in Pakistan, you will have to fight constantly.
19:32This is a condemning report from a sitting judge of the High Court.
19:39The general impression is that you are completely stream rolling the judiciary.
19:46First, you changed the judges and the Supreme Court Chief Justice.
19:53Then, you are packing the courts.
19:56Why? Why is all this happening?
19:59The judge has openly said that there is no court left and no other pillar of state.
20:07Mr. Malik, this is a psyche.
20:10And this is a psyche of such a court,
20:16in which the respected judges are present.
20:21They have ruled this country for the past 10-12 years without the participation of others.
20:29And they have ruled in such a way that from the exchange of a peon to the prime minister of the country,
20:37they have been standing side by side.
20:45They have removed the prime minister of this country whenever they wanted.
20:51They have punished the prime minister whenever they wanted.
20:56Our constitution is based on the trichotomy of power.
21:09The executive is separate, the legislative is separate, the judiciary is separate.
21:14But the judiciary has full control of the executive for the past 10-12 years.
21:22People have been called under the So-Moto-Notice and humiliated.
21:28They have been apologised for their actions.
21:31The parliament and the politicians of this country have been humiliated.
21:44The prime minister is not safe in this country.
21:47What is the use of mentioning the rest?
21:49And the situation is such that the constitution has been re-written in the same country where the right to amendment has been given to the common people.
22:06That the vote will be cast, not counted.
22:11So you are saying...
22:14No, listen to me. Let me finish.
22:19The issue is that the judiciary and its esteemed members have developed a psyche.
22:36And that psyche is such that if someone talks about balance, then they feel that everything has been destroyed.
22:52The state has also become stagnant in the air.
22:56Everything else has also ended.
22:58Because the powers that had made such a psyche have been destroyed.
23:07You have also said 3-4 times that you have done this, you have done that.
23:12What do you mean by that?
23:14Is the government making these decisions?
23:16Or is the Judicial Commission doing it?
23:18And in the Judicial Commission, does the government have a majority vote that the government is making decisions?
23:25Or are the decisions being made by the votes of the judges?
23:30And who are those judges?
23:32Is it the Chief Justice of Pakistan?
23:34Is it the Chief Justice of Pakistan who can change the constitution?
23:40If the decisions of that person are also being made wrongly, then God forbid...
23:46Mr. Rana, it is not such a simple thing.
23:49The Chief Justice of Pakistan also stopped the path of the Chief Justice according to the old principle.
23:57Everyone knows why he stopped the path.
23:59Who broke that old principle?
24:01Mr. Malik, who broke that old principle?
24:09Or who amended it?
24:12Did you amend the constitution?
24:15No, you people didn't amend it.
24:17No, listen to me.
24:19This is a very simple way that you did everything.
24:22What do you mean by government?
24:24Because we are politicians.
24:29It is easy to abuse us.
24:31It is easy to accuse us.
24:33We have no respect in your eyes.
24:39That's why you can say anything to us.
24:41No, no, we have a lot of respect for you.
24:43This is wrong, Mr. Rana.
24:45No, no, listen to me.
24:47No, no, listen to me.
24:49You tell me that the principle was that the senior most in service means senior most.
24:59On this principle, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the High Court were being elevated.
25:07And on this principle, the judges were being elevated from the High Court to the Supreme Court.
25:14The Judicial Commission should take out its proceedings.
25:19In which the Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court and the judges were elevated.
25:29They should take out the proceedings of that Judicial Commission.
25:35Who were the respected judges who gave this suggestion that no, senior most not in tenure.
25:43Senior most means the three.
25:48Out of the senior most, the one who is best in merit and integrity is the senior most.
25:58The definition of the word senior most in the constitution is that out of the three senior most, the one who is best is the senior most.
26:11And on this basis, the Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court was appointed.
26:16On the same basis, the judges from the Lahore High Court were elevated to the Supreme Court.
26:21They were elevated from the High Court to the Supreme Court.
26:24And the one who gave this suggestion, this point and this principle is Mr. Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
26:33He should take out the proceedings.
26:35If this does not happen, then call me to your program tomorrow itself.
26:38I am ready to accept any punishment that you give me.
26:43So, you are saying that Musa Ali Shah's own doings came in front of him and he himself became a victim of it.
26:52No, no, I am not saying this.
26:55I am saying that the decision that the Judicial Commission made, the respected judges made,
27:02at that time in the Judicial Commission, 7 members out of 11 were judges.
27:11They were in the majority.
27:13The principle they decided in the majority, that what does seniority mean.
27:18Okay, Mr. Rana, because it is not in front of me.
27:21No, listen to it.
27:22No, listen to it.
27:23Listen to it.
27:24If the parliament legislates that same principle, then we are very bad.
27:31You have a very fair point.
27:34You have a very fair point.
27:36Because it is not in front of me.
27:38I will read it and then talk about it.
27:41Take it out.
27:42Yes, yes, I have no reason to doubt you.
27:44But this also becomes a psyche, Mr. Rana.
27:47If you think that for 10 years, the Supreme Court has completely zeroed the executive,
27:55then it happens that the executive thinks that it is okay, now we will zero the court,
28:00so that we can run our system without any participation.
28:05So the reaction is also extreme.
28:08No, listen to it.
28:10The Prime Minister has no say in this.
28:15The Prime Minister is just like a letterbox.
28:24If you put a letter, then take it out.
28:28The matter is that the Judicial Commission has the power.
28:31The Judicial Commission has 5 votes of the government.
28:35Only 5 votes are of the judiciary.
28:38Neither can the government do anything by itself, nor can the judges do anything.
28:43Mr. Rana, it is not that simple, with due respect.
28:47They have elevated such people.
28:50This is from your chamber, this is from my chamber.
28:53This is from his chamber, this is from his chamber.
28:56They have elevated the judges in this way.
28:59So the matter is that now there can be a merger, but neither can the government do it.
29:06There is a difference in the Judicial Commission.
29:10A balance has been created in the Judicial Commission.
29:14No, no, there is no majority.
29:16When you changed the principle of seniority,
29:19then the number of favorable judges increased for the government.
29:23Then there are other members, women members, others,
29:27they are also being nominated by the government.
29:30You can see that, even if you look at the voting pattern,
29:33you can see that there is a majority of the government.
29:36There will be another debate.
29:38Listen to me, listen to me.
29:40No, listen to me.
29:42The thing is that the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
29:45you tell me that throughout his life,
29:51as a lawyer and then as a judge,
29:56you tell me that if that person has any allegation against him,
30:00if he has any allegation against him that he has ever favored anyone,
30:04if he has ever favored anyone,
30:06if he has ever favored anyone politically.
30:09Sir, leave throughout his career, Mr. Rana.
30:11We cannot go beyond that.
30:13I have a question.
30:15I have a question for you.
30:17If that person is not in the case,
30:20then you tell me where to bring him from.
30:22Look, we will judge someone based on his position.
30:26Did anyone know about Zia-ul-Haq
30:29what he did as a captain, as a major, as a colonel?
30:33We only found out when he became a general and became a marshal.
30:37So we have to judge him based on that.
30:39Did we know about General Musharraf,
30:41what he did as a captain?
30:43He was not a politician.
30:45No, no, sir. It is a matter of decision.
30:47Big judges.
30:49Look, listen to me.
30:51One person.
30:53You promoted Saqib Nisar.
30:55Listen to me.
30:57Then you were the biggest.
30:59You were his supporter.
31:01People have different opinions about Mr. Bandyal.
31:03His decisions were right all his life.
31:05You get to know when you are in office,
31:07what the real thing is.
31:09No, no.
31:11The matter is that
31:13the decision that does not suit you,
31:15you cannot ruin a person's whole life background.
31:21The matter is that
31:23Zia-ul-Haq's decisions as a captain,
31:27as a dictator,
31:29he was a general.
31:31He spent his whole life in the army.
31:33Sir, we will also judge Mr. Afridi.
31:35As a soldier, as an officer.
31:37Mr. Afridi, you are a judge.
31:39It takes a lifetime to build respect.
31:41It takes a minute to leave.
31:43You know it, I know it.
31:45The matter is that
31:47Listen to me.
31:49If he does not make decisions according to your will,
31:51if he does not work according to your will,
31:53then his respect is over.
31:55No, no, no.
31:57Look, in every court decision,
31:59one party will be happy,
32:01one party will be unhappy.
32:03The matter is not that.
32:05I am talking about, for example,
32:07Mohsin Akhtar Kiani.
32:09Let's talk about Mr. Kiani.
32:11He has raised objections today.
32:13Tell me, which of Mr. Kiani's decisions
32:15are so bad that we say
32:17that what Mr. Kiani has said today
32:19is wrong or has been done for a reason.
32:21His history of decisions is also very good.
32:23So we should also listen to this
32:25according to our logic.
32:27Listen to it.
32:29The thing is that
32:31there is a psyche.
32:33The judge of the High Court,
32:35as we discussed earlier,
32:37when Zia-ul-Haq
32:39came and then
32:41General Misharraf came,
32:43then it was said that
32:45when a person takes a commission
32:47as a lieutenant,
32:49then his eyes are on
32:51the governance of the country.
32:53Now the matter is that
32:55the judges of our High Court
32:57think that
32:59all this
33:01power,
33:03state, government,
33:05everything is
33:07under our feet.
33:09And if someone is not
33:11agreeing with us or
33:13does not agree,
33:15this is a psyche.
33:17According to that psyche,
33:19there is such a discussion
33:21that everything is over.
33:23Because
33:25what we had said,
33:27what we had written,
33:29why didn't we act on it?
33:31Such a mess of this government,
33:33this country and this state.
33:35We have seen everywhere,
33:37Mr. Rana,
33:39you have seen everything,
33:41but you are a moderate person.
33:43You go to extremes.
33:45Now we were seeing
33:47that when this happened today,
33:49see the reaction of the speaker.
33:51I would like to take your opinion on that too.
33:53Listen to what he said.
34:20Sir, this is also a psyche.
34:22Now it has become,
34:24as we used to say,
34:26two sentences about democracy.
34:28One is the will of the people,
34:30the will of the majority.
34:32The other is the tyranny of the majority.
34:34The speaker says
34:36that no one has the right
34:38to talk about the parliament.
34:40Why?
34:42Is the parliament
34:44a sacred thing,
34:46that no one can talk about it,
34:48that no one can give an opinion
34:50about the parliament?
34:52What do you say about this psyche?
34:54I would like to say about this,
34:56that the judge,
34:58the letters,
35:00now there are
35:02a lot of letters
35:04from all sides.
35:06The matter is that
35:08I cannot talk about it.
35:10Even standing in the parliament,
35:12I have a restriction on it.
35:14I have a restriction on it.
35:16The constitution
35:18restricts me
35:20that I should not
35:22talk about justice
35:24or any respected judge.
35:26So the respected judge
35:28should also write a letter
35:30to the parliament
35:32if he wants to talk about it.
35:34He should ask the speaker
35:36to convey it.
35:38He should not do a press conference
35:40like this.
35:42He should not give a statement in the newspaper.
35:44If there is a press conference,
35:46then there will be a contempt of court.
35:48Or you can end the contempt of court.
35:50Then the judge can give a statement
35:52as he wishes.
35:54Then we can also give a statement
35:56in the evening.
35:58Then tell me one thing,
36:00if you say that what Justice Kiani
36:02has said reflects a mindset
36:04and not the reality,
36:06then does it mean that
36:08what he has said is wrong?
36:10Then it has been broadcasted
36:12Will Mohsin Kiani get a pack act?
36:14Will he go to jail?
36:16What will the government do?
36:18I think
36:20the government
36:22should only
36:24express
36:26regrets
36:28or
36:30should give
36:32its opinion.
36:34Apart from this,
36:36I think the government
36:38should do more than this.
36:40Judiciary is also an institution.
36:42That institution
36:44has ended the respect of everyone
36:46in the last 10-12 years.
36:48But if we want to move forward,
36:50if the democracy wants to move forward,
36:52then we have to
36:54maintain the respect of that institution.
36:56I am asking you
36:58because you are a lawyer.
37:00Without the respect of the executive,
37:02the society or the democracy cannot survive.
37:04I am asking you because you are a lawyer
37:06and have been looking at the portfolio of law.
37:08I think the punishment is on the crime.
37:10Anyone can commit that crime.
37:12If it is a lie,
37:14and there is a law on it
37:16that if it is broadcasted in any format,
37:18then there will be a punishment
37:20and a pack act will be imposed.
37:22Anyone can commit that crime.
37:24Now I understand that
37:26the law is not for crime.
37:28It is for a class.
37:30If a journalist or a vlogger
37:32does it on social media,
37:34then it is a crime.
37:36If someone does it in the parliament,
37:38then it is not a crime.
37:40You have made a law for a class.
37:42You have not made a law for a crime.
37:44If I am a Pakistani citizen
37:46and you are a Pakistani citizen,
37:48then the punishment should be on both.
37:50No, no, no.
37:52You have brought me so far.
37:54This is not possible.
37:56Look, the matter is
37:58that crime is something else
38:00that you are talking about
38:02regarding PIKA.
38:04They have massacred people.
38:06There are such videos
38:08and such Tik Toks
38:10being uploaded
38:12that people's homes
38:14have been destroyed.
38:16People's dignity has been destroyed.
38:18Look, the reference you gave
38:20or the one we discussed,
38:22the statement of
38:24Mohsin Akhtar Kiani,
38:26look, he is a respected judge.
38:28He is respectable.
38:30This is his opinion.
38:32He has not committed a crime.
38:34He has expressed his opinion.
38:36We do not agree with that opinion.
38:38We do not support that opinion.
38:40So tell me,
38:42why are you snatching
38:44the right to give this opinion
38:46to the common people?
38:48Technically,
38:50it is PIKA.
38:52There is no question.
38:54No one can snatch it.
38:56No law can snatch it.
38:58Thank you very much, Mr. Rana.
39:00As always,
39:02it is time for a break.
39:04Take a break.
39:30Take a break.
39:32Take a break.
39:34Take a break.
39:36Take a break.
39:38Take a break.
39:40Take a break.
39:42Take a break.
39:44Take a break.
39:46Take a break.
39:48Take a break.
39:50Take a break.
39:52Take a break.
39:54Take a break.
39:56Take a break.