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00:00Congratulations!
00:02Today's Reihensekai is a special episode of Shōwa no Jōshiki Reiwa no Hijōshiki!
00:07A battle between Shōwa and Reiwa.
00:11Don't forget, Heisei.
00:14That was a great betanagi!
00:17Betanagi!
00:18That was amazing!
00:20Nagi was cool, too.
00:22Miya-san laughed.
00:24I'm glad it reached Miya-san.
00:26Thank you. It reached the universe.
00:28Miya-san, did you hear Maru-chan's comment?
00:31What was it? Did you comment?
00:35He didn't.
00:37It was just a bad signal.
00:39What's with the scary face?
00:41Is it a prank?
00:43Scary face.
00:45That's better.
00:47That's better?
00:49That's better.
00:50Then I'll put it in some places.
00:52If you're in trouble today, do that face.
00:55Today's first guest is Yamamoto Anna from Reiwa.
01:00I'm Yamamoto Anna.
01:02Please introduce yourself.
01:05I'm Yoshiko Mita, an actress.
01:09Nice to meet you.
01:12I'm Keisuke Watanabe, an actor.
01:17Nice to meet you.
01:20This is her first appearance since Reiwa.
01:23She's a popular influencer on TikTok.
01:26She's Hanna Mina.
01:29Who's Hanna and who's Mina?
01:32I'm Hanna, the older sister of Hanna.
01:34I'm Mina, the younger sister of Hanna.
01:36We are Hanna Mina twins.
01:39Nice to meet you.
01:42Thank you so much.
01:44What about you two?
01:46I was born in America and grew up in Germany.
01:48And you are a student at Aoyama University.
01:51Yes.
01:53She's an international influencer.
01:56She's a twin sister of Hanna Mina.
02:01She has her own video.
02:04She has more than 680,000 followers on TikTok.
02:10What's Hanna and Mina's difference?
02:13They are quite different.
02:15They have different eyes.
02:17I have a wide profile.
02:19Mina has a wide profile.
02:21So, they are more mature or cute.
02:24You said it yourself.
02:26You said it yourself.
02:29I'm sorry.
02:30That's what I was told.
02:31I see.
02:32What do you do on TikTok?
02:36How do you get information?
02:39How do you decide what to post?
02:43We mix foreign trends and send them to Japan.
02:49We look at both foreign and Japanese trends.
02:52We make our own originals and post them.
02:56So, you get information from TikTok.
02:59Yes.
03:00We look at TikTok and decide what to post.
03:04We don't post what's popular in Japan.
03:06I see.
03:07You find out what's popular as soon as possible.
03:10It's like a job.
03:11You have to do it.
03:14You can find out what's popular and not popular so quickly.
03:20We decide what's good or bad in 3 seconds.
03:23It's like a machine.
03:25It takes a while.
03:27It's like a sushi chef.
03:28He doesn't know what's good or bad.
03:31He doesn't know what's good or bad.
03:36He is a modern chef.
03:39On the other hand, the famous Showa actress, Yoshiko Mita, has some unforgettable memories from her childhood.
03:47When I was in elementary school, when I went home, I was thrown a stone.
03:54A boy threw a stone at me.
03:56Why?
03:57I said, don't do that.
04:01He laughed and ran away.
04:03I was so sad because I was thrown a stone by so many people every time.
04:09When I became an actress, I said, you did that before, didn't you?
04:15He said, no, it didn't mean anything.
04:19I told someone, I did it because I liked it.
04:23When I heard that, I said, I did it because I liked it.
04:27Then, thank you.
04:29I threw it back.
04:31It was a stone.
04:33It was a small stone.
04:35It was a small stone.
04:37It was a small stone.
04:39It was a big stone.
04:41It was a big stone.
04:43It was a big stone.
04:45When I was in elementary school, I didn't want to talk to girls.
04:53I didn't want to be made fun of by boys.
04:56I wanted to talk to girls, but I couldn't.
05:00I talked to girls.
05:02I talked to girls in the afternoon.
05:05I was called, Mitarashi, Mitarashi.
05:09I was called, Mitarashi, Mitarashi.
05:13I was called, Mitarashi, Mitarashi.
05:16I still have that kind of nickname.
05:18If you can talk, you can talk.
05:20I was called that by a boy.
05:22And the actor of the Heisei era who attracted attention with the role of Yorimichi Fujiwara in the Taiga drama Hikaru Kimie.
05:30Watanabe Keisuke.
05:33When he went to Cebu Island in the Philippines for a trip, he experienced a shocking event.
05:41You know, you can drink at a hotel terrace.
05:45I was having fun drinking there.
05:48The next day I woke up and I was on the hill that takes an hour by taxi.
05:52Are you the type to get drunk?
05:53I was drunk that day.
05:55That day?
05:56I woke up in a wonderful view.
05:58It's hard to go up the hill for an hour by taxi.
06:02What did you do when you were drunk?
06:04Have you ever been there?
06:05I said I wanted to go there.
06:08It's a very beautiful tourist attraction.
06:11I said I wanted to go there while drinking.
06:14I went there in the mood.
06:16Did you go there alone?
06:17I went there alone.
06:18Did you go there with your friends?
06:20Did you go there with your friends?
06:21I took a picture and went home.
06:23I thought it was funny.
06:25Did you go there alone?
06:28I was exhausted.
06:31I didn't have a wallet.
06:33So you couldn't go home.
06:35I took a taxi with my own money.
06:37I took a taxi with my own money.
06:40I didn't have a cell phone.
06:43It's a tourist attraction.
06:45I asked the tourists to give me a ride in English.
06:49I asked a kind French person to give me a ride.
06:52That's interesting.
06:53That's because you're a good person.
06:56Tonight's topic is the common sense of Showa and the uncommon sense of Reiwa.
07:01What is the secret technique of KOTATSU that the Showa generation did?
07:06I did it on New Year's Day.
07:08Turn the turntable over.
07:12I did it.
07:14Is there such a thing?
07:17This is a nostalgic cigar lighter that was often used in Showa cars.
07:23I will show this to the Reiwa generation.
07:26This is amazing.
07:29This is cool.
07:32This is an airlock.
07:35This is the name of the world heritage that the Showa generation remembered.
07:39But now...
07:41This is cool, isn't it?
07:43What is that?
07:45I don't know.
07:49Let's think about the future of Narita and Murakami in Japan.
07:55Thank you for your cooperation.
07:59A square and a circle.
08:01This is a cart that wears glasses that are asymmetrical.
08:05YUSUKE NARITA, an economist who graduated from TOKYO UNIVERSITY and is responsible for data research.
08:12SHINGO MURAKAMI, who is interested in economics.
08:17This time, KONDO TAKAMI, the representative of the NEXIS group, participated.
08:30Mr. KONDO is the representative of PASSION LEADERS, an organization of 4,200 businessmen and women.
08:41He is also in charge of business matching for many small and medium-sized companies.
08:49What is the theme of this program?
08:54What can AI do when it evolves?
09:00Recently, AI chat services, chat GPT, which allows you to have a natural conversation like a human, have been used.
09:09There are more and more people who are using it for work, such as making documents and creating documents.
09:18What can AI do when it evolves in the future?
09:25At the moment, most of the output is information.
09:30In chat GPT, you can put out words or sound.
09:35Basically, you receive information or data and put out information or data.
09:41From now on, it will be connected to objects, cars, buildings, furniture, etc. in the outside world.
09:49The output itself is moving.
09:52It's like having a face or a smell. It's going in a direction that's close to five senses.
09:56Does it go that far?
09:58Is it possible to smell?
09:59It's the most difficult to smell and taste.
10:01Even in the final form, there is no possibility of that.
10:05Until now, it was an office world.
10:08I think the future is to go beyond the legal profession, accounting, and accounting.
10:17What AI will really evolve is that robots will combine with AI.
10:26When the so-called smart robotics world comes, we often see what kind of era will come on TV.
10:33How far has the use of AI and robots in everyday life progressed?
10:40Robots don't move as much as AI thinks.
10:46That's what the company is developing every day.
10:49Daily life has high hurdles.
10:51Unpredictable things happen.
10:53It's completely different from inside the house and at home.
10:57Pets, children, and humans move at will.
11:00Unpredictable things happen.
11:02It's different inside the factory and in the farm.
11:06In the farm, machines are used to measure efficiency.
11:12My company is doing it, too.
11:13It's very popular.
11:14It's IoT.
11:15It does water, it measures temperature.
11:18Everything is done by humans.
11:20It's a lot easier for farmers.
11:23The productivity goes up.
11:25Is it said that Japan's farmers will change?
11:30Smart agriculture using cutting-edge technology such as AI and robots.
11:37For example, this tractor can be automated.
11:43First, you run around the field and enter the required data.
11:49It automatically creates the most efficient work route.
11:54If you change the machine, it not only grows the field, but also sprays fertilizer and sows seeds.
12:04In addition, the drone automatically drives the pesticide and sprays it to a high degree.
12:12AI-equipped robots understand the situation of vegetable cultivation and harvest.
12:22The robots we have now are amazing, but they don't work in practice.
12:27Humans intervene.
12:29I found something amazing the other day.
12:31What is it?
12:32I thought this was the fusion of AI and robots.
12:36It's a vacuum cleaner.
12:38Vacuum cleaner.
12:40I've seen it before.
12:42My company is testing it.
12:45It's a business vacuum cleaner.
12:46It works at a large convenience store.
12:49This vacuum cleaner knows everything about humans.
12:55Even if you spill coffee, it will suck it up and mop it up.
13:01If you do it in a building, it will read the elevator automatically.
13:05It goes up the elevator and does it again and again.
13:09It also cleans the vacuum cleaner itself.
13:12That's amazing.
13:14It does everything, so it just changes the water.
13:17What is that?
13:19If you do this at night, you can do it at a convenience store.
13:23It's a scary world, but robots can do it at night.
13:28It's implemented.
13:30If you can do this, it will expand.
13:33In the old days, humans did all the creative work.
13:39It's creative.
13:41But even that creative work was done by AI.
13:48For example, if you want to draw a picture or make an image,
13:52you just have to type in the image.
13:55The chat GPT will create it instantly.
14:00This is an image of a soccer player shooting with lightning in a storm.
14:07It was automatically created by AI.
14:10And this is a future city floating in the air with a bright bridge connecting a huge tower.
14:18An angel with wings of ice standing in the scorching desert can also be created in just a few seconds.
14:27In addition, there is a case where a photo created by an SSAI was won at a contest.
14:34This is a work with a texture that looks like it was taken a long time ago.
14:38This is the best prize.
14:42At this time, the exhibitors voted that it was made by AI and gave up the prize.
14:50After AI made it, it was called the art of death.
14:54Some people were terrified.
14:58I think some people like it.
15:01There must be a certain number of people who don't like it.
15:06It's the same with music.
15:08There are copyright issues in the process of making music.
15:12You can also make a video.
15:14The latest version of the chat GPT is a video created by AI called Sora.
15:19You can make a short music video.
15:23I touched it at home.
15:26It's about 15 seconds long.
15:28It's a beautiful scene in the original Japanese landscape.
15:31It's like a journey.
15:35You can make it in a few minutes.
15:39You can make strange lyrics, put music on it, and make a music video.
15:44You can make a long loop.
15:47It's the same as writing.
15:49You can arrange it yourself.
15:52It's very convenient to make a studio.
15:55You're right.
15:57People have been doing that.
15:59People have learned to see and hear a lot of things.
16:03If that's the case,
16:05you can make a script for a novel, a play, or a TV show, right?
16:13You can make it all.
16:15It's a battlefield.
16:17In light novels,
16:19there is a discussion about whether or not to use AI.
16:24When I was eating with Yasu Akimoto,
16:27I was the president of GTP.
16:29I wrote a love song with Akimoto's feelings.
16:33I showed it to Goho.
16:35He looked serious and said,
16:37It's pretty good.
16:39That's right.
16:41You can do it.
16:43If you edit it, it will be something like that.
16:47If I do this, it will be Akimoto's work.
16:51If I do this, it will be Akimoto's work.
16:55If AI can do creative creations and work,
17:02how will Japan's future change?
17:07It will be more convenient in the future.
17:12Is it a place where harm is also concerned?
17:15I don't know what will happen.
17:18When something that replaces us is born,
17:21you have to open it to see if it works positively or negatively.
17:26Let's try various things.
17:28For example, if you look at the history of music,
17:31when the radio came out,
17:33music was played all over the city.
17:35At first, record companies were against it.
17:38If that kind of thing can be copied and played everywhere,
17:41and everyone listens to it,
17:43no one will pay for music.
17:45There was a big uproar.
17:47But now it's the other way around.
17:49Rather, playing music on the radio functions as advertising,
17:52and the record industry has grown.
17:55AI can do the work that humans used to do.
17:58There is a possibility that humans will not be able to do anything
18:01and will not be able to earn money.
18:04But maybe that will make it possible to add time.
18:08Rather, by controlling and managing AI,
18:13there is a possibility that human power will be strengthened.
18:16It is said that big companies are disadvantageous.
18:21Big companies have a lot of people,
18:23and everyone thinks and moves.
18:25But small companies can be super-employees
18:28because they are active as chat GPT instead of employees.
18:33Small companies can increase their sales with AI.
18:38Efficiently.
18:40For example, my junior company has risen.
18:44I have 25 employees.
18:46I sell cosmetics using AI.
18:49The profit is 100 million yen, and soon it will be 200 million yen.
18:52I have 25 employees.
18:54It's like AI is making money.
18:56You're good at using it.
18:59That's right.
19:01Small companies can't hire people because they don't have money,
19:04but they can use it for free.
19:07That's why companies are getting bigger.
19:10Big companies are dangerous.
19:12Human resources are expensive,
19:15and insurance costs are high.
19:18But there is no such thing.
19:21Looking at the history of companies,
19:24there are things that can't be controlled completely.
19:26Human labor.
19:28You have to hire people.
19:30You have to do insurance.
19:33You have to pay for welfare.
19:35It costs a lot.
19:37You can't control it because you're human.
19:41You can't control it completely.
19:43You can't control labor unions.
19:47But if you mechanize it,
19:50all those problems will be solved.
19:54You can make a plan for production.
19:57If demand decreases,
20:00you have to hire robots.
20:03Humans can't do that.
20:05You can't take a break.
20:08The efficiency of production is increasing.
20:11There are no old robots.
20:14Not at all.
20:16They've been working all their lives.
20:19They can't sleep.
20:21If you pay for electricity.
20:23In American companies,
20:25engineers and programmers are hired.
20:28But the engineers and programmers are AI.
20:32AI engineers are hired.
20:35It's a one-digit number of people.
20:38It's a startup.
20:40It's worth 100 billion yen.
20:42That's how it was born.
20:45I think it's not enough to reduce consumption.
20:49If machines do it,
20:51labor will not be the key to economic growth.
20:56There's the issue of employment.
20:59It's because people can't get rid of the idea of hiring people.
21:04In Japan, there's a shortage of people.
21:07The consumption is increasing.
21:09It's a good environment.
21:11It hasn't been long since I started talking to Narita.
21:16AI has evolved a lot.
21:18It's almost a different world.
21:20Right?
21:21Narita, have you changed your way of using
21:24SACE AI and ChatGPT?
21:28Yes, I have.
21:30When I make a document based on text,
21:35I always use two people and a tripod.
21:39Compared to two years ago,
21:41my working routine has changed.
21:45It's more advanced.
21:47Do you think the general public is getting used to it?
21:54On the other hand,
21:56the majority of Japanese people don't use it at all.
22:01So the gap between those who use it and those who don't
22:04is widening.
22:06It's bad for those who don't use it.
22:08You have to fill it in.
22:10But the difficult thing is that
22:12AI is a prompt,
22:15so you have to give instructions in words.
22:18I think it's a very advanced ability
22:21to define and convey tasks in words.
22:25I see.
22:26You have to tell people how bad the output is
22:29and how you want it to be modified.
22:32It's a pretty good managerial ability.
22:36I think there are very few people
22:39who have the Japanese ability to do that.
22:42So the difference between the language ability
22:45and the logical ability you already have
22:48is likely to be greatly expanded.
22:51That's a concern.
22:53I think the price is a problem.
22:55ChatGPT used to cost $20 a month.
22:59It was about 3,000 yen in Japan.
23:01If it was a few weeks ago, it would be $200.
23:04That's right.
23:05It's 30,000 yen.
23:07Isn't 30,000 yen a great subscription?
23:09It's 30,000 yen a month.
23:11In fact, ChatGPT has three payment plans.
23:17The free version only has basic conversation functions.
23:22The paid version is about 3,000 yen a month in Japan.
23:26You can process in a more advanced and natural language
23:31and also generate images.
23:35And with the latest ChatGPT Pro
23:38with video generation functions,
23:42the monthly fee is 10 times that.
23:45It's about 31,000 yen in Japan.
23:50I think there are a lot of people who can afford it.
23:53So the difference between people who already have the ability
23:57and people who don't
23:59is likely to be greatly expanded.
24:02I see.
24:03It can't be reduced.
24:05The problem is that the companies that provide AI
24:08are like monopolies.
24:10So only companies that can count with one hand
24:12provide the most high-performance AI.
24:15So if you don't charge a ridiculous amount,
24:18you won't be able to use it.
24:21It's not impossible.
24:23I'm sure there are people who can't afford it.
24:26We may realize how cheap humans are at that time.
24:30It's too late.
24:32It's cheap, but you don't need it anymore.
24:34But you can still choose.
24:36There are still options.
24:39There will come a time when people who can use AI in this era
24:44will be the winners.
24:47But it's not just that.
24:49The value of physical work will also increase.
24:53I think it will increase even more.
24:55I think it will increase even more.
24:57I'm a writer, too.
24:59So I think I'll never write something that AI can write.
25:05So I'll try to write it.
25:07I'll say, oh, that's about it.
25:09Is that what you're doing?
25:11Yes.
25:12You might lose.
25:14I might lose.
25:15It's like shogi or chess.
25:18You're losing more and more.
25:20But as Mr. Kondo said, we're living in a very interesting era.
25:24I think we're living in a very interesting era.
25:26Even when we're having a meeting,
25:28AI changes everything.
25:29It's amazing.
25:30It's so easy.
25:31There are no mistakes.
25:32It organizes everything.
25:33It's very convenient.